@wealth1ness you want to know who is responsible for chemical castration, its not doctors as every trans person knows and understands the risk and eventuality involved. It's why we are able to save reproductive fluid prior to beginning that side of the transitition process. It's not trans people who make a fuss, it's people trying to assert their views over our bodies and autonomy. And chemical castration was used by the British government to castrate men convicted of homosexuality. Alan Turing who single handedly cracked the enigma code in WW2 where the brightest minds everywhere else failed and probably helped turn the tide of the war in our favour was awarded with being chemically castrated by a government that is using similar views now against trans that was used then for gay men. He committed suicide shortly afterwards. It seems the idea of him being different to their ideals was worse than their gratitude for him being a national hero.
@@conwaysmith9167 That's a straight up lie, it causes osteoporosis, basically weakening of bones, they don't grow as strong as they should. Putting kids on puberty blockers is both short-term and long-term abuse if you ask me. When these kids grow up as adults, they're going to have issues with their bones breaking at a much higher rate than anyone else.
This is absolutely nuts. Children can’t decide this. When I was young, I was SUCH a tomboy. I dressed, looked, acted like a boy. Wanted to be one. Guess what? Not so much by the time I was 13. Not gay. Not bi. CHILDREN should not be allowed this decision.
@@jimmaag4274 , then why is it offered by healthcare professionals and exclusively by healthcare professionals? It is a regime of pharmaceutical, physical, and psychological regimens to alleviate the symptoms of a undesired condition. That is medical treatment whether you agree with it or not. Go to church if you want someone to cry to about it.
@@TC-zf1ji I can't say I'm surprised, atheists these days have a rather annoying habit of being glib philistines who, ironically, understand far less than those they presume to look down upon for being capable of accepting the limitations of human knowledge. The Hippocratic Oath isn't a legal contract, it's a moral commitment; the spirit of it's details are ethically deep to a degree that contemporary word-choppers couldn't possibly replicate with their "rational" words of pure sophistry.
There isn’t a backlash there are just a bunch of people who range from deranged to mentally ill to self interested who scream that they have rights when they don’t
To be fair, most medical studies have significant flaws. Even the big ones. One thing I’ve learned as a statistician is that if the results are surprising, they are probably wrong (ie you messed up). I worked on large studies of suicidality of teens, and there are a lot of ethical constraints which make it difficult/impossible to ever show causation (not saying that it’s a bad thing to be ethical but it does ruin the logic and math). And even the act of asking a person about his/her mental health seems to have an impact on outcomes, as the incidence of suicidality/suicide/self-harm in the study population was always lower than it is in the populations from observational studies. So many studies don’t have a useful control group, don’t record enough significant variables (like comorbidities), don’t use random sampling, or even just don’t use good logic, or don’t have adequate protocols; let alone good data management and statistical techniques. (I’ve seen an entire study undermined by one simple question that the researcher didn’t consider. Felt bad for that guy.)
It's honestly not surprising. With no proper explanation, psychologists decided this is the only form of body dysphoria where the cure is validation and indulgence. An improvement in mood isn't definitive evidence that it's the best option. Self-harm risk drops in any scenario where someone's life subjectively improves
I feel as if a civil contract or waiver should be in place somehow. There are going to be TONS of legal issues should this go forward. Can child sue parent(s) later saying "they forced me"? Or lawsuit eligability if parents disagree, but one goes ahead with it anyway? Can somebody be held responsible if child commits sooiside (spelling for filter) because drugs didn't fix their dysphoria?
It's not a psychological condition. The w.h.o states transgender as a gender variant. The mental health trope used by right wingers would have more merit to people who are religious as not being able to prove the existence of a deity Inherently proves they are just talking to themselves. Schizophrenia basically
The UK is stereotypical for being quite transphobic, this is nothing special. Not saying it's a bad thing for puberty blockers for minors to be banned but the UK hates transgender people like in general they like the LGB, it's much more a culture thing there than in America
The NHS offers free healthcare to the country. If you think that's ridiculous then you're an idiot. Also banning blockers isnt a good idea as it creates panic and suicide ideation, a good decision would be to give them to you as i feel letting you procreate would be damaging to the world
0:16 This chart is reproduced from the UK Cass Report. It unaccountably stops just after 2016, and becauseof this it looks like an exponential rise. Had it shown data from subsequent years the chart would have shown a decline.
Any time an idea becomes a trend, there's going to be an upswing in related activity. This by itself doesn't tell us if transgender treatment is valid or not. But this does not mean we should radically change how medical treatments are handled, for a variety of reasons.
those PBers were originally designed to *ahem* deactivate convicts of a very certain genre. then these PBers were used to treat kids going thru the change at an age where it would not be good for them.
@mistahsusan2650 what is pbers? I should have mentioned the necessity of having vitamin d at 50 in addition to low carb. Food should be the first intervention.
The vast majority of kids who receive treatment woukd have grown up as homosexuals and they are being made infertile by the treatment. Sterilizing 'undesirable' traits is the entire point of eugenics.
As it turned out, there's nothing there to prove that chemical castration of kids is a good thing Here, instead of 11:40 video, we did the explanation in 10 seconds.
3,000 prepubescent children from 8-12. and 12-20 years have been irretrievably and irreversibly sterilized by gender affirming care carried out by UK doctors, surgeons, psychiatrists and psychologists and UK nurses and medical assistants at the Tavistock and Portman Gender clinic in London UK.
I'm glad Reason is reporting on this because I feel like topics like these are libertarianism's achilles heel. "Free minds and free markets" doesn't really provide any kind of tangible answer to the issue of millions of kids all of a sudden now wanting puberty blockers. This is where I think many libertarians like myself go "alright, alright, let's not kid ourselves, end of day I'm really just a conservative."
Libertarianism works best in society when applied to economics and some culteral issues. Liberalism doesn’t really provide a solution to societal decay or collectivistation.
Libertarianism needs to account for the vulnerable and gullible being tricked into societal meatgrinders or it ends up at 'what if the child consents tho' lolberts.
Do you need to do any study at all to determine if such procedures are complete bonkers? I once heard that plastic surgeons don't like working on teenagers because their bodies are still growing! And now this!
@@SmartCreeper Who gets to make decisions on their behalf then? If the State gets to make those decisions, I struggle to see why the State of California shouldn't force everyone to take puberty blockers and decide what puberty they want once they're old enough to make that decision...
@@SmartCreeper According to who? Did we not just live through a significant portion of our political leaders wanting to classify allowing your kids to *not* take the COVID vaccine as child abuse?
@@chasemartin4450 You fail to understand what the chemicals do. They are marketed as a safe 'pause button' but are nothing of the sort. Additionally, people get 'old enough to make decisions' because their brain and body matures. You don't get 'old enough to make a decision' if you halt development of the body and brain.
@@chasemartin4450 Loving Parents make decisions for their kids all the time. Sure there is a line between keeping them safe and sheltering them, but you can't tell me that 13 year olds don't make impulsive decisions without considering the consequences. Even neurological studies show that the part of the brain responsible regulating informed decisions is not fully developed before they Go through puberty, using puberty blocking hormones is destructive to a persons development.
no, government should intervene to protect the right of children against the use of force from parents or doctors or themselfs. A child is not an adult thus doesn't have the same rights as an adult. Children aren't allowed to drink alcohol or drive cars, or join the army; the state protects them from those things which they are not ready to fully understand and make rational decisions about.
Just because stomach cells belong in the stomach,doesn't mean they dont belong in the arteries,just because arterial cells belong in the arteries doesn't mean they don't belong in spinal fluid . . . Thats prejudice & you know what that means!!!😂😂😂
Damn right! And especially when the State will deem you "adult" enough to charge you as an adult in court, you deserve 100% control over how you want your body to develop.
Wrong. Precisely because of puberty (the brain is still developing) you cannot legally make important choices, including stuff that affects your body, Pictures of the brain in action show that adolescents' brains work differently than adults when they make decisions or solve problems. Their actions are guided more by the emotional and reactive amygdala and less by the thoughtful, logical frontal cortex. You aren't old enough to drink a beer, you definitely cannot be trusted to make irreparable changes to your physiology.
I definitely was not old enough to determine that I didn’t want to go through puberty when I got my first period in the 5th grade. Some girls get theirs as early as nine. You think nine year olds can consent to be on puberty blockers?
speaking of the 90's... imagine if they treated the eating disorder epidemic the same way they're treating the "trans" epidemic. "if you think you should weigh 40 pounds, then you should. here's some meth that should help" or "if you think it's healthy to vomit up your food right after you eat it, it must be. here's a pill that will help you barf"
In 20 years there are going to be child chemical castration lawyer ads like there are asbestos class action ads today.
Maybe. I doubt we will have to wait that long in the USA.
I can only hope. It is only the insurance companies that will stop this nonsense
LMAO I agree. What a fucked up world we've created.
@wealth1ness you want to know who is responsible for chemical castration, its not doctors as every trans person knows and understands the risk and eventuality involved. It's why we are able to save reproductive fluid prior to beginning that side of the transitition process. It's not trans people who make a fuss, it's people trying to assert their views over our bodies and autonomy. And chemical castration was used by the British government to castrate men convicted of homosexuality. Alan Turing who single handedly cracked the enigma code in WW2 where the brightest minds everywhere else failed and probably helped turn the tide of the war in our favour was awarded with being chemically castrated by a government that is using similar views now against trans that was used then for gay men.
He committed suicide shortly afterwards. It seems the idea of him being different to their ideals was worse than their gratitude for him being a national hero.
I’m in law school rn to go after these horrible people
puberty isn't an elective.
it's how children grow into adults, the process changes entire body not just reproductive systems.
Right, but the blockers only block the processes related to gender presentation so who cares
@@conwaysmith9167... no it does stop things other than sexual presentation
@@conwaysmith9167 .. false.
@@conwaysmith9167 hey I think we found that "misinformation" national thing the government is so concerned about
@@conwaysmith9167 That's a straight up lie, it causes osteoporosis, basically weakening of bones, they don't grow as strong as they should.
Putting kids on puberty blockers is both short-term and long-term abuse if you ask me.
When these kids grow up as adults, they're going to have issues with their bones breaking at a much higher rate than anyone else.
This is absolutely nuts. Children can’t decide this. When I was young, I was SUCH a tomboy. I dressed, looked, acted like a boy. Wanted to be one. Guess what? Not so much by the time I was 13. Not gay. Not bi. CHILDREN should not be allowed this decision.
This is not about you, this is about those who are not like you and need those treatments... Why do you have to think like a self-centered egoist?
It is not 'CARE", and it is not "TREATMENT". It would be helpful NOT to use those BS terms.
but it is?
@@conwaysmith9167 NO
@@JohnSmith-gq9gn Nah dude, it is.
@@conwaysmith9167naw gurl, it's really not.
@@jimmaag4274 , then why is it offered by healthcare professionals and exclusively by healthcare professionals? It is a regime of pharmaceutical, physical, and psychological regimens to alleviate the symptoms of a undesired condition. That is medical treatment whether you agree with it or not. Go to church if you want someone to cry to about it.
Whatever happened to the Hippocratic Oath?
@@TC-zf1ji Yeah.
@@TC-zf1ji I know if Zeus were real many doctors would have met the fate of Aesculapius by now… I wish Zeus were real.
@@TC-zf1ji No. It means everything. The Ancient Greeks should be heeded in their wisdom.
@@TC-zf1ji This objection is clearly religious for you. Which is lame, because Christianity is pagan Judaism.
@@TC-zf1ji I can't say I'm surprised, atheists these days have a rather annoying habit of being glib philistines who, ironically, understand far less than those they presume to look down upon for being capable of accepting the limitations of human knowledge. The Hippocratic Oath isn't a legal contract, it's a moral commitment; the spirit of it's details are ethically deep to a degree that contemporary word-choppers couldn't possibly replicate with their "rational" words of pure sophistry.
just because there's a "backlash" doesn't mean we shouldn't stop destructive medical practices.
Shut up, don’t talk about things you don’t understand
There isn’t a backlash there are just a bunch of people who range from deranged to mentally ill to self interested who scream that they have rights when they don’t
Making people into eunuchs
either by mental illness or omission of full consequences
Is by it's very definition -
E V I L
To be fair, most medical studies have significant flaws. Even the big ones. One thing I’ve learned as a statistician is that if the results are surprising, they are probably wrong (ie you messed up).
I worked on large studies of suicidality of teens, and there are a lot of ethical constraints which make it difficult/impossible to ever show causation (not saying that it’s a bad thing to be ethical but it does ruin the logic and math). And even the act of asking a person about his/her mental health seems to have an impact on outcomes, as the incidence of suicidality/suicide/self-harm in the study population was always lower than it is in the populations from observational studies.
So many studies don’t have a useful control group, don’t record enough significant variables (like comorbidities), don’t use random sampling, or even just don’t use good logic, or don’t have adequate protocols; let alone good data management and statistical techniques.
(I’ve seen an entire study undermined by one simple question that the researcher didn’t consider. Felt bad for that guy.)
It's honestly not surprising. With no proper explanation, psychologists decided this is the only form of body dysphoria where the cure is validation and indulgence. An improvement in mood isn't definitive evidence that it's the best option. Self-harm risk drops in any scenario where someone's life subjectively improves
I feel as if a civil contract or waiver should be in place somehow. There are going to be TONS of legal issues should this go forward. Can child sue parent(s) later saying "they forced me"? Or lawsuit eligability if parents disagree, but one goes ahead with it anyway? Can somebody be held responsible if child commits sooiside (spelling for filter) because drugs didn't fix their dysphoria?
Using surgery to treat psychological conditions has a fraught history. Egon Moniz was awarded a Nobel in Medicine for lobotomy.
It's not a psychological condition. The w.h.o states transgender as a gender variant. The mental health trope used by right wingers would have more merit to people who are religious as not being able to prove the existence of a deity Inherently proves they are just talking to themselves. Schizophrenia basically
No, the Dutch Protocol was 5 years after WPATH put the protocol into their SOC5. Do a timeline guys.
The NHS is a woke, ridiculous organisation. Making one good decision doesn't deserve too much praise.
Seems like they made this decision to save the NHS money. Man is the rationalising animal.
The UK is stereotypical for being quite transphobic, this is nothing special. Not saying it's a bad thing for puberty blockers for minors to be banned but the UK hates transgender people like in general they like the LGB, it's much more a culture thing there than in America
The NHS offers free healthcare to the country. If you think that's ridiculous then you're an idiot. Also banning blockers isnt a good idea as it creates panic and suicide ideation, a good decision would be to give them to you as i feel letting you procreate would be damaging to the world
0:16 This chart is reproduced from the UK Cass Report. It unaccountably stops just after 2016, and becauseof this it looks like an exponential rise. Had it shown data from subsequent years the chart would have shown a decline.
Any time an idea becomes a trend, there's going to be an upswing in related activity. This by itself doesn't tell us if transgender treatment is valid or not. But this does not mean we should radically change how medical treatments are handled, for a variety of reasons.
Diet can bring down high levels of estrogen and/ or testosterone. A study should compare hormone therapy to a low carb high fat diet.
those PBers were originally designed to *ahem* deactivate convicts of a very certain genre. then these PBers were used to treat kids going thru the change at an age where it would not be good for them.
@mistahsusan2650 what is pbers? I should have mentioned the necessity of having vitamin d at 50 in addition to low carb.
Food should be the first intervention.
@@Jeff-nine41149 the B stands for blockers. i don't wish to be obtuse but this seems to be the gauranteed way to not have my comments disappear.
The trans movement is an extension of the eugenics movement.
Why are you Conservatives here?
Explain plz. I’ve never heard this one before
The vast majority of kids who receive treatment woukd have grown up as homosexuals and they are being made infertile by the treatment. Sterilizing 'undesirable' traits is the entire point of eugenics.
@@TheWizardGamez It's fairly obvious
If cancer rates increased this much doctors would be worried.
tbf that’s like apples to oranges
@@thisgirlisoverit what's the difference?
@@tomoth77 cancer is more likely to kill you and there isn’t a cure or always effective treatment
Thanks for presenting this information
So in other words, they have learned what we already knew.
Don't fix what isn't broken
As it turned out, there's nothing there to prove that chemical castration of kids is a good thing
Here, instead of 11:40 video, we did the explanation in 10 seconds.
3,000 prepubescent children from 8-12. and 12-20 years have been irretrievably and irreversibly sterilized by gender affirming care carried out by UK doctors, surgeons, psychiatrists and psychologists and UK nurses and medical assistants at the Tavistock and Portman Gender clinic in London UK.
the brits aren't so dumb after all
Weird NHS win.
Just because we had a very rare moment of sanity and common sense doesn't mean the politicians and systems are not completely nuts.
- Lies have to be reinforced -
especially when money is to
be made . . .
These are so much better than the freemedia segments. Those feel like watching a young-person’s Fox. Ew.
I really don't want to see Reddit right now after this
Reeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I'm glad Reason is reporting on this because I feel like topics like these are libertarianism's achilles heel. "Free minds and free markets" doesn't really provide any kind of tangible answer to the issue of millions of kids all of a sudden now wanting puberty blockers. This is where I think many libertarians like myself go "alright, alright, let's not kid ourselves, end of day I'm really just a conservative."
Libertarianism works best in society when applied to economics and some culteral issues. Liberalism doesn’t really provide a solution to societal decay or collectivistation.
Libertarianism needs to account for the vulnerable and gullible being tricked into societal meatgrinders or it ends up at 'what if the child consents tho' lolberts.
Nonsense no pure nonsense 8:44
On Point on NPR has an amazing interview with Cass herself.
Thanks for contributing to the conversation on this.
Do you need to do any study at all to determine if such procedures are complete bonkers? I once heard that plastic surgeons don't like working on teenagers because their bodies are still growing! And now this!
Does puberty blockers change gender?
Nothing can change your gender.
no but its irreversable and incredibly damaging
Oh no 😱
Let nature take its course - leave the kids alone.
Not reported on cnn msmbc abc nbc brutal
PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEMS ARE OFTEN ABUSED
And I elected it for myself and will continue to use it. My body my decision!!! Period
If you're an adult, no one cares.
Pay full price without freeriding on our insurance while you're at it
😂
Science is not "by vote"
This is "scientism" the religion
For atheists ⚛️
🙏🏻
Good now punish the manufacturers
Found the big government conservative
"Libertarians" who feel that they get to decide what others do with their bodies, you should be ashamed of yourselves!
@@SmartCreeper Who gets to make decisions on their behalf then?
If the State gets to make those decisions, I struggle to see why the State of California shouldn't force everyone to take puberty blockers and decide what puberty they want once they're old enough to make that decision...
@@SmartCreeper According to who? Did we not just live through a significant portion of our political leaders wanting to classify allowing your kids to *not* take the COVID vaccine as child abuse?
@@chasemartin4450 You fail to understand what the chemicals do. They are marketed as a safe 'pause button' but are nothing of the sort. Additionally, people get 'old enough to make decisions' because their brain and body matures.
You don't get 'old enough to make a decision' if you halt development of the body and brain.
@@chasemartin4450 Loving Parents make decisions for their kids all the time. Sure there is a line between keeping them safe and sheltering them, but you can't tell me that 13 year olds don't make impulsive decisions without considering the consequences. Even neurological studies show that the part of the brain responsible regulating informed decisions is not fully developed before they Go through puberty, using puberty blocking hormones is destructive to a persons development.
It should be a private family matter without government intervention
Just curious, would you say the same if the parents were sharing their alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and fentanyl with their children?
no, government should intervene to protect the right of children against the use of force from parents or doctors or themselfs. A child is not an adult thus doesn't have the same rights as an adult. Children aren't allowed to drink alcohol or drive cars, or join the army; the state protects them from those things which they are not ready to fully understand and make rational decisions about.
Drugging your kids with puberty blockers is called child abuse and is not a private matter.
Considering that the UK has a NHS, technically, the entire public is paying for this, so they deserve a say since it's their money
Ypu mean parents should be able to prostitute their children as long as it is a family affair. No gov involvement. lol
Just because stomach cells belong in the stomach,doesn't mean they dont belong in the arteries,just because arterial cells belong in the arteries doesn't mean they don't belong in spinal fluid . . .
Thats prejudice & you know what that means!!!😂😂😂
If I'm old enough to go through puberty I'm old enough to choose not to
Damn right! And especially when the State will deem you "adult" enough to charge you as an adult in court, you deserve 100% control over how you want your body to develop.
Wrong. Precisely because of puberty (the brain is still developing) you cannot legally make important choices, including stuff that affects your body,
Pictures of the brain in action show that adolescents' brains work differently than adults when they make decisions or solve problems. Their actions are guided more by the emotional and reactive amygdala and less by the thoughtful, logical frontal cortex.
You aren't old enough to drink a beer, you definitely cannot be trusted to make irreparable changes to your physiology.
I definitely was not old enough to determine that I didn’t want to go through puberty when I got my first period in the 5th grade. Some girls get theirs as early as nine. You think nine year olds can consent to be on puberty blockers?
no
No. Sorry.
dd
Oh no!!!
They handed put puberty blockers like they did psychotropic and ADHD drugs back in 90s and 2000s like they were candy.
speaking of the 90's... imagine if they treated the eating disorder epidemic the same way they're treating the "trans" epidemic. "if you think you should weigh 40 pounds, then you should. here's some meth that should help" or "if you think it's healthy to vomit up your food right after you eat it, it must be. here's a pill that will help you barf"
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