'I am discomforted by your attitude to the massacre', LBC guest 'refuses' to condemn Hamas
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2023
- Shelagh Fogarty presses Samir Eskanda, a British-Palestinian artist who signed the open letter decrying Israel's 'war crimes', on why he seemingly refuses to condemn Hamas' attack as well.
The open letter, signed by the likes of Steve Coogan and Tilda Swinton, called for a ceasefire in Gaza but failed to mention terror attacks.
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The point Sheila made about you can’t colonise places your people have a connection to lol, therefore Putin’s war in Ukraine is justified.
I know a woman who converted to Judaism because her fiancee was Jewish, his mother was also a convert. You are considered Jewish if your mother is Jewish. She could move to Israel tomorrow with her family and have more rights than a Palestinian born there who's family had been there for generations. The whole thing about Israel belonging to Jews because some used to live in the area is absurd
I can't adequately put into words how utterly ashamed I am of our media!
They're probably not too proud of you either.
Do you mean our gutter press 😂😂😂
I couldn't agree more.....from now on is the government against the people, bye bye to freedom of speech...
Are you saying you condemn our media?
you and hamas have a lot in common.
The man has the patience of a saint.
The truth hurts ….he’s 100% right
Really! No letter criticising Hamas, but once Israel desires to respond, out comes the poison pen.
-You condemned Nelson Mandela until you didn't
-You condemned Mahatma Gandhi until you didn't
-You condemned Nat Turner until you didn't
-You condemned Yasser Arafar until you gave him Nobel peace price
Let's wait see what history tells us. Why such a rush?
Elon Musk did not make it to your list. Wonder why...
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Because not many people condemned him. No reason. Him buying Twitter was the best thing that happened to humanity in the last century.
a middle-nation fellow subscriber i see.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 😭 Won't anyone think of the (state subsidised) billionaires?
History is written by the victors....let's see how it goes
“Whose colonising who?” Are you serious!?
This lady really has a point she wants to push. She has an agenda which echoes that of western media. You are a sad lady, its so discomforting. Well done to the guest, you handled her questions well. ❤❤
...it's a disgrace :(
Yet, her point is that even if the Palestinians have the right to fight their opressors, that does not give them the right to fight the way Hamas chose to fight.
The rules of war also apply to the nation that is being opressed.
It would have taken nothing away from his argument, only clarified it !
The interviewer may have had something else in mind, but if he dont aknowledge the principle, he is infact implicitly condoning the action taken by Hamas, thereby losing credibillity, undermining his own argument !
@@realitymatters8720 ...it's the way Israel has been 'fighting' for 75 years ...and before against the British ...they are proud of being the first terrorists ...and their subsequent governments were manned by them ...the interviewee not acknowledging the situation re. Hamas does not justify the Israeli response against Palestinian civilians in Gaza or the West Bank (at the moment almost forgotten which has nothing to do with Hamas( ...IF you're angling at a justification for over 20,000 dead, two or three times as many wounded and disabled and 75,000 tons of US + UK bombs dropped on Gaza?
He's intelligent, articulate, calm and certainly gave her a lesson.
She is fighting to find words of support for one side only.
Exactly!
It's so obvious which side she is on. She completely blanked to look at the suffering the Palestinians have faces for the past 7 decades & she only wants to look at what happened in October 2023!! Unbelievable, what an awful interviewer with clear agenda!
@@bearani1450 The same as Piers Morgan interviews.
She is asking quite simply if he condems the slaughter of civilians which started this war and he quite obviously won't because in truth he feels the slaughter of those civilians was justified. It can never be justified. Hamas are a soon to be extinct disgusting terrorist rabble.
She didn’t expect this eloquent and factual response from the guest. Interrupting him when he’s answering her questions!
Shame on all of of these sheep in the media. If they actually believed what they were spewing they wouldn’t regurgitate the same nonsense
Lets just see.... does Shelagh condemn the attacks by Israeli settles in the West Bank?
What attacks by Israeli settlers in the West Bank? Please tell us about the rapes, the baby beheading, the children being burned alive, the pregnant women having their unborn babies cut out of their stomachs while still alive. I must have missed all that in the news.
@@GretsGarbo classic whataboutism
@GretsGarbo it's simple. Has Israel attacked and killed civilians? If you think that Israel is correct in doing that, then you are no better than Hamas.
SirSloth, exactly, HenryBurton just practised it.
@@SirSlothableyes “whatabout Shelagh condemning” - you utter hypocrite 😂
If people ask me whose side are you on I will simply say I am on the side of innocent civilians who want to live in peace. And that is that.
The interviewer should really know more about what she is talking about. Regardless of your opinion "who's oppressing who?"" is an incredible question to ask 👀
She doesn’t seem happy with his very clear answer that “attacks on civilians are illegal”. Is it because he implies that the Palestinian child has the same value as an Israeli child, and that suggestion is somehow offensive? You can say something was a war crime without justifying on going war crimes in response.
He doesn't condemn the Hamas attacks upon civilians on Oct 7th.
It isn't a hard thing to do.
A rational human cam condem both the Israeli state AND Hamas at the same time
Do you believe what Hamas did was a massacre? That was the question
@@Mugdornawell said
@@Mugdorna Which part of “attacks on civilians are illegal” isn't condemning the illegal attacks that Hamas performed on civilians? You've lost me.
@@adamgrimsley2900 Of course any deliberate attack on unarmed civilians with military style weapons is by definition an illegal massacre under international law.
Shelagh doesnt note the big picture just the one incident in isolation. The guest was putting it into context which she Didn't want to acknowledge.
A lot of commentators seem to carry on like the conflict only started on October 7th.
She just wants him to admit October the 7th was a war crime, which he won’t explicitly do. The whole thing is bizarre
@@andyrees4076perhaps it’s because those defending it seem to think the shooting and be heading of children is justified.
Yes it was a war crime by a militant group but that doesn't justify a collective punishment for Palestinians. That's what Israel which is a recognized democracy in the region is doing and it's sickening that almost all western media is propagating defense for that. Hamas committed a war crime. Israel is coming war crimes.
Follow the money - look at who owns Global Media, under which LBC sits. Then you'll have some context into why LBC presenters are trying to ignore discussions about anything pre October 7th.
When people called for the end of apartheid in South Africa no one thought those people were calling for the dismantling of South Africa itself. It baffles me that our media just can't grasp this
@@TOM-TOM-TOMI think he just means specifically the apartheid. Not recent and current events.
@@TOM-TOM-TOM what do you think apartheid is?
@@TOM-TOM-TOMIt is an apartheid state. The Palestinians has not the same rights as an Israeli is Israel itself. Also Israel has control over Westbank and has control who comes in and out Gaza. That is the definition of apartheid.
The state of South Africa now... not exactly the finest.
@@eviken1982because Palestine is a state that governs itself.The fence is the border. There is a fenced border between Gaza and Eygpt.
Who is fed up of the media taking Israeli side no matter what crime they do to the Palestinian people. Who wants neutral reporting?
Me 🙋🏼♀️
We all do
Only true humans.
@@carlomariaromano4320 you need anti septic to clear your perspective.anti semitic is a created terminology for excuses( you cannot condemn me for my crimes..but I can).got it?
what media are you watching? have you forgotten that Hamas claimed Israel bombed a hospital and the entire media reported it completely uncritically?
Does she ask anyone to condem Israel? She totally disregarded what he talked about and the headline reads, he failed to condemn
They treat Israel with kids gloves 🧤
Agreed. She's trying to keep her job. Look at who pays her.
Shekels speak.
The is how propaganda works.. The Guy clearly said killing civilians is illegal.
@@imbalancedstatus8824However, he refuses to condemn the actions of Hamas, which implies he approves of them, illegal or not.
Everybody’s suffering but the Palestinians have been suffering for much longer. Stop trying to insult people’s intelligence. The man said violence on all sides should end, he answered the question just not using the specific wording she wanted him to. This is why the mainstream media is losing credibility because you are dishonest and biased.
yep agree!
Hamas commits war crimes
The world (rightly so):” We are disgusted by their actions”
Israel commits war crimes
The world: “I’m going to pretend I didn’t see that.”
Kudos to this young man who remained calm in constant triggering attempt by Sheilagh...well done young man for showing restraint towards typical LBC PRESENTER FOX NEWS-LIKE triggering tactics
His answer at the end was clearly parodying the way Western media and politicians answer the question "But do you condemn the IDF for killing innocent civilians?". They always just repeat "Israel has a right to defend itself" (or "herself" if you're weird like Keir). He was just doing the same thing they do
One can condemn the appalling atrocities committed by Hamas last week and still recognise that the ongoing decades old brutality meted out to ordinary Palestinians has been the root cause of this mess. Only by attempting to alleviate this injustice and find a lasting just peace, will this terrible situation be addressed.
Time after time olive branches (infrastructure, land, economic aid) has been offered to Palestine…. Each time it’s been refused… how is that Israel’s fault?
You need to get your facts right, sunny jim
That's inaccurate. Every offer made was meant to enslave the Palestinians@@Altashheth08
@@Altashheth08 OMG. Do some research and you'll see what happens in Gaza and West Bank for real. Otherwise, if you aleady know, then you aren't fooling anyone here that Israel is innocent in this mess.
A popular viewpoint but simple anti-Israel propaganda none-the less. .
Let me get this straight. So the LBC presenter is basically saying this: a person comes inside your home, you defend your family and home by attacking the invader. Police then come and tell you that they will only investigate from the point of who attacked who first lol.
And the reason why the rather not go too far in history (the root cause of it all) is simply because it will just expose the key role Britain and America played.
Apples for apples if you want to argue fairly...
if the person defended their entire family by attacking the invader
and when the police came they had found a very thoughtful and lengthy process had been perpetrated in that act of 'defence
If they had been slicing open the intruders skin hundreeds of times with a razor
packing the wound with chilipowper and sealing the wounds again...
Then I'm sure as anything the focus of the investigation would be the pointed brutality of the singular most recent act before them. If they investigated the former acts done by the intruder ahead of the chili powder skin slicing everybody would be in uproar and you know it.
You may very well argue the acts of history
But if you want to call apples for apples... you're idiotic examples are weak and you should acknowledge that
I don't care about Israel or Palestine ,if my country made the decisions of that area it would've been for the benefit of our country,which I'm comfortable with the decisions made
@@waynegodwin426that is a rather opaque comment
@@fomoranthat qualifies for word salad, learn some real history instead of word salad
Well said, but with today's technology, there's no hiding the truth. Better to not be complacent and start to correct things. That would be better, I feel sorry for UK
Shelagh Fogarty doesn't appear to be able to separate out the concepts of mourning people who have died so far from trying to save people who ARE CURRENTLY being massacred. Most who have nothing to do with what happened on the 7th Oct. Samir Eskanda was very eloquent.
💯 💯 💯
She understands everything, she’s acting ignorant on purpose.
Her interviewing is deeply troubling. This man handles it so well. His answers are fantastic and the media should take lessons from him.
Nah, the media don't need lessons on how to be a creepy terrorist-apologist
Why? How so?
Haha, what video did you watch?
100% I am shocked by her attitude and heartlessness. As a child of Irish parents she should know better.
LBC has clearly taken a hard stance aligning with the state narrative. There are very few media outlets that are not shilling for Israel. This isn't just disappointing, it's absolutely disgusting.
I support Palestine because they don't support women's rights
Yeah, i thought some of the presenters were able to think freely but the whole lot of them are rotten. Some like to give off an air of neutrality but are actually spueing their masters lies
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think LBC's different presenters have differing views.
@Kryojenix they do on most matters, but when it comes to Israel, they follow the script, never ever will call them out for the war crimes as defined by international law
@@the.shahjahan they can't be blamed for hamas using human shields fool. That's why they don't have offical military bases, unlike Isreal.
Sheilagh was desperate for a 'Gotcha' moment. This guy was awesome. Didn't fall for her whatsoever.
It’s so painful they have to go through this. He is not just a random pro-Palestinian person. He is actually Palestinian. His family were probably being killed as they spoke. She is extremely heartless.
He avoided condemning Hamas - why is it so hard to do so.
Its so confusing Isreal is a country and gaza is a refugee camp in its own land. It so easy to see who has the power vs who doesnt.
Funny how they are asking Hamas who are resisters to be condemned but terrorist state(Israel) are not asked to condemn themselves. SMH
He said that killing non combatants is illegal. That should be enough. He spoke very well.
He didn’t seem outraged at it
Wow bro you didn't even condemn the worst attack in human history on the 7th of October. You must be Hamas. Hey everyone this person is Hamas.
@@constantinvaldor3742 pretty bad. Defo should be condemned
@@mattsheldon8671he seemed to show the same level of outrage and tone of voice when talking about civilians in israel or Palestine. What is the issue with that? All deaths of civilian and innocent people are equally bad.
War doesn't discriminate & never has. Israel shouldn't be held to account MORE than any other nation.
7:00 "You can't colonise a place that your people also have deep connections to" verb: colonise, send settlers to (a place) and establish political control over it.... has she not seen the videos of Americans kicking Palestinians out of their homes?
Americanos try to remove those pesky Palestinians to make place for their LGBTQ community which they want to "relocate".
At this point I’m wondering if she’s just being wilfully ignorant…
And she's wrong anyway, just because you may have had an ancestor who lived somewhere centuries ago doesn't mean you have any right to push out the people who live there now.
She keeps trying to lead him to say what she wants to hear.
She only wants to hear that he has some heart and decency enough to condemn Hamas like any sane person would.
If he hadn't been so stubborn & creepy they could've moved on to the important stuff, and he might even have found a sympathetic ear in the listener, rather than revolting everyone.
I don't think he answered the question.
She does that a lot but she's quite subtle about it.
How he remained so calm and articulate as she incessantly attempted to spoon feed words into his mouth is beyond me.
She was only trying to get a simple, human, common sense condemnation of Hamas' massacre from him.
The fact he put up a fight condemns him as a creepy Hamas-apologist.
@@sadako24 Hamas’ attack was abhorrent and to my mind is rightly condemned by the western media as terrorist in nature, but Israel’s continued rocket attacks and switching off Palestians’ supplies, killing thousands of civilians, is framed as justifiable defence. This is the crux of the matter. Both attacks are terrorist to my mind. An immediate ceasefire needs to be imposed on both parties by the international community.
@@emmasayers7576But this particular guy refused explicitly to condemn Hamas' massacre instead all but justifying it.
@@martydav9475 Palestinians are constantly being asked to condemn the actions of Hamas, but you don't see as many media outlets demanding Israelis to condemn the outrageously disproportionate actions of their government. It's like constantly demanding that all women condemn the actions of Myra Hindley. A rational reaction would be, "What? Don't align me with her! Are you crazy?" Samir Eskanda makes it clear that killing people is not the answer, that he condemns it. He just refused to be pigeonholed.
While his friends and family are being actively massacred. He’s not just a random pro-Palestinian. He IS Palestinian. It was so heartless of her.
There are enough people, govts giving Israel plenty of support and too few condemning the killings in Gaza... this absolute hounding of people to "condemn" is shocking!
Great comment - thank you for putting it into words
do you condemn it? the killing of civilians minding their own business i mean. your answer should be yes, unless of course you, yourself perform the same acts (or would partake/support them). and before you say "oh, but what about the previous things israel did", we are talking about THIS PARTICULAR EVENT.
the simple fact is, armed males went to a civilian party and killed people. not soldiers having a party, not military people. therefore they murdered the civilians.
to me, it's that clear.
we are not asking you to condemn the people of palestine, but the murderers from that singular event.
@@thefonzefuland then took 200 civilian hostages! another point people fail to talk about as it hurts their fragile narrative. These people have no morals. They condemn it on one hand then try and justify it on the other.
I am not really like you Maureen. I don´t have stomach to support baby killers, neither from Israel nor Hamas. You people really think this is a match Liverpool-City where you should support unconditional the players, even though those players don´t play with a football but with baby heads... So sad of you
@@thefonzeful This is the issue. Of course, everyone condemns the event, it was horrible, and no one is disputing that. The issue is all these interviewers seem to be asking for them to condemn it just so they can have justification for repercussion. No one seems to actually care about the innocent lives lost, they only seem to care about justifying more innocent lives being taken. I am unbiased, I live comfortably across the world and no matter how much I try to educate myself on what is really going on over there I can't know anything for certain. But I think this idea of questioning what may have led up to the attack, directly corresponding with supporting terrorism, is dangerous. The same goes for the idea of disagreeing with how the Israeli government has conducted itself being considered antisemitic, even when many Jewish people feel the same way.
"and before you say "oh, but what about the previous things israel did", we are talking about THIS PARTICULAR EVENT": What is the problem with talking about what the Israeli government did? This is another issue I have seen with a lot of discussions. Everyone wants to speak about the horrible event that took place and what should the repercussions be, but no one wants to talk about what Israeli government has done. In my personal opinion nothing they could have done justifies the attack, but I think it would be fair to discuss it without everyone immediately being shut down or being called a terrorist sympathizer for speaking about it.
Shelagh is so stuck on one thing, which makes her very agenda driven. The world can see the bigger picture of this conflict and the root cause of the violence. However, Shelagh has her agenda to follow and she isn’t letting up. It’s the same in all her interviews around this war thus far.
You’d think as someone of Irish parentage she would have more compassion and understanding.
I'm discomforted too. The people I admire most in this are those from their countries who see the pain of the other, who are often suffering immeasurably themselves, and want peace and resolution.
What has been most interesting recently is to see media personalities who made their career out of denouncing cancel culture and the radicalisation of public discourse engaging in the very same against anyone who tries to offer a more balanced view of the current situation.
Not surprising since the cAncEl cUltUrE lie is as real as the tooth fairy. Just a fake narrative of those who hate being called out for homophobia,sexism and racism🤷🏽♂️
how is it balanced view if you do not if you don't condemn both sides he said dismantle Israel that means one thing only remove Israel but did not have the cuts to say it because it would be bad pr
Thank goodness groups are speaking up against other agendas which so often dominate the media
....who doesn't have an agenda...?
Only the entire conception is completely false because all of the historical facts as presented by samir are simply a not true.
Most agendas, especially when it comes to human death are flawed and biased.
Yes the agenda of hamas has to be at the forefront. Talk to them.
yes, thank goodness we have people like Shelagh to push back against people like soy boy.
Wow I'm disappointed but not surprising to hear another LBC presenter defending war crimes and failing to address the route cause. This young man was spot on. Does the paymaster and owner of Global have a dog in this race?
Does the young man get your approval because he is clearly an activist for Islamic terror?
"palestinians" do not have a claim to Israel at all.
@jittmet7766 how is it u managed to forget about the zionist error groups that killed thousands and terrorised the West? What about the bombing if the USS liberty? Israel has as much right to the land as the Irish have to the UK. Isreal was a nation for 200 years tops lol. The Palestines have lived that land far longer, even if we just look under the Ottoman Empire, far longer.
Stern Gang, also called Stern Group or Lehi, formally Loḥamei Ḥerut Yisraʾel (Hebrew: “Fighters for the Freedom of Israel”), Zionist extremist organization in Palestine, founded in 1940 by Avraham Stern (1907-42) after a split in the right-wing underground movement Irgun Zvai Leumi.
@@jittmet7766 I think you’ re right about the caller, and his supporter. I think Ms Fogarty handled his stubbornness with great skill and sincerity. People like that aren’t looking for understanding or basic common ground.
Where is the condemnation of Israel?
Shame on you Shelagh.
Your efforts to reframe this man's considered words in to something you can accuse of extremism was disgusting.
If you can't condemn the attacks from the 7th of October then you are an extremist, end of.
Bro said atleast 7 times “ according to international law any attack on civilians is illegal” what more does he need to say 😂😂
But, 'Bro' couldn't bring himself to condemn Hamas and state they specifically committed a war crime. How very Corbyn of him!
@plmk2433 do you condemn the killing of 4200 Palestinian civilians, 1500 being children? I can guarantee you don't. Double standards are only for some of us
His answer is inconsistent, he can name Israel as a perpetrator but cannot utter the word Hamas as also a perpetrator of crime in his dialogue.
@@plmk2433same as many people, most of the media and politicians in the UK and the West in general, can't bring themselves to condemn Israel and just parrot - Israel has a right to defend itself.
Talk to hamas.
I really used to enjoy how the LBC addresses issues, but it's coverage on this has been appalling. This whole conversation was shameful. Everyone was discomforted by the lbc host, and the complete lack of critical thinking and intellectual integrity on her part...or blatant ignorance. The history between israel and the Palestinians did not begin 7 days ago.
Using your 'critical thinking', can you explain he unwillingness to answer the 'massacre' question?
True🤲🇵🇸🖤🤲🕊
Mind Begs the Question:
If a Media
Interviews Israeli Moms
Censors plight of Palestinian Moms
Media - Fair or Zionist Controlled?
@willcampbell8829 mate I condemn those atrocities , will you condemn the atrocities being perpetrated by the Israeli state upon the Palestinians?
Justice and peace for everyone everywhere 🖤🕊
@@Thaqalayn1512atrocities explained better as Iranian backed terrorism don't you think ?
Over the past couple of weeks, I've listened to countless interviews with people who are sympathetic to the Palestinians which have degenerated into the interviewee being badgered into stating with absolute clarity that they condemn the attack on Israel. Even those who have complied have often then been required to do so a few more times during the interview. Some who have condemned it have, later in the interview, been accused of not actually being condemnatory at all. I've heard a fair few interviewees turn the tables and ask the interviewer to condemn Israel for their day-to-day killing of Palestinians before this attack, and hey the interviewer has refused to do so. (The first 4 or 5 days of Shelagh's LBC call-in shows were appalling in this regard.) I suspect this interviewee is probably tired of that game and is refusing to directly answer the question to the exact words of the required formula on principle.
Very well put.
Totally agree here.. I have actually stopped listening to LBC because of the bias shown in some instances
no. soy boy is just talking with his emotions and not his brain.
world is crazy and the most crazy control it
@@stevenstruyf3606 and what about soy boy evading the questions on the barbaric attack by Hamas on young people at a peace rave. Or have you forgotten about that too.
The repeated insistence on this question - "Do you condemn Hamas: yes or no?" - across all media is becoming more and more apparent. It seems to show an obsessive concern to (1) shut down and decontextualise discourse rather than to open up discourse and provide more context by reducing the discussion to a simple yes/no question; and (2) it is also driven by the desire to pigeonhole people and generate headlines and clickbait by saying 'person X refuses to condemn Hamas'. Let's open up the discussion.
Because the proPalestinian bunch prefer to ignore it!!
I concur with your sentiments. It is indeed disconcerting when those responsible for disseminating news resort to biased questioning. The propagation of misinformation, particularly when it is skewed to manipulate public opinion, is not only unethical but also detrimental to the fabric of our society.
It is unjust that indigenous people are not only silenced but also condemned. The questions posed to them do not aim to foster open dialogue or disseminate factual information. Instead, they seem designed to incite anger, exploiting their responses for sensationalism rather than understanding.
The expectation for indigenous people to provide answers that should be common sense is a clear indication of the lack of genuine engagement. It is imperative that we demand better from our news sources and hold them accountable for their role in shaping public discourse.
It's becoming more apparent because so many pro Palestinian supporters seem to have no regard for the innocent Israel people who are caught up in this conflict which in itself is a telling barrier to peace. You can be pro Palestine and still condemn such actions. It's called being a compassionate human being.
Usually sheelagh is neutral or pro humanity and pro oppressed. But when it comes to israel everyones true colours come out
Recognising a society is the product of settler colonialism doesn’t equate to calling for an end to it. As an Australian I’m baffled by a British reporter’s confusion on this?
beds are burning
Obfuscation. It is his underlying objective. He is a wrong historically and by definition about Jews, Zionism and Palestinians.
He is redefining words.
And I am baffled by that guy's inability to see that what Hamas did violate the very principles that he claims to fight for, which is the protection of the rights of innocent civilians. Otherwise, I'm in agreement with all of his criticisms on Israel. But there is a serious cognitive dissonance in him
@@ChrisAlbertH47civilians? On your bike sunshine, they're all illegal occupiers. Europeans conquering a land that don't belong to them, they're not even semic lol
@@ChrisAlbertH47 analaytics including israeli analytics WARNED the terrorist israely right about people reaching ghe "breaking point"
You must have heard the word in other intreview, didn't you?
Since 2008 and before the 7th of octobor
120 thousend or more palesrinians were kiled or injured vsrsus 5900+ israelis
The reason some people can't condemn hamas actions as terroan action implicit to them as people "and thus will be twisted as an action only palestinians are capable of". is because they can understand how even you, the broadcasters and everyome who speaks or claims the moral superiority could've been one of hamas militants or groups under israeli oppression. It is about how the "breaking point" is a human breaking point where suffering will lead to insanity overcoming sanity and taking control of people.
One example is the man who lost 7 children yesterday, he probably will reach a breaking point if not already crossed it it.
Could be a heart attack or a reaction.
How can a news presenter be so ignorant of a topic "who's colonising who?" - pick up a text book before you open your mouth
She's telling us she doesn't know" who's colonising who" wow!!! In my opinion, she's not fit for her job!
The atrocities on the 7th Oct were shocking, but not surprising. The Israeli government will have factored their own shortcomings in failing to protect their people into their military response and the distraction it affords. But there are questions about their security and intelligence, they will have to face down the line.
He did answer your question - he’s just not going to answer it with the exact words you want 😂
Why not?
He answered it in a weird way though. If you asked me what 2 + 2 is and I said well it's less than 10, I haven't really answered the question properly, why wouldn't I just say 4?
@@northwoodsharmony3523 2+2=10 if you are in base 4, so your answer just then was wrong.
If someone answered "It depends on the base." and the questioner repeats the question without specifying the base, then you should repeat the same answer. If they can't accept their question is too vague, that's on them.
@@kieranharwood7186I’m not a mathematician so I can’t refute that, but 99% of people don’t think of numbers in bases and to the rest of us the answer is 4
@@northwoodsharmony3523
Normally, in day to day talking, yes, 1 + 1 = 2.
If you are programming a computer in Assembly Language, that's not the case. 1 + 1 = 10.
Context is important.
And the same is true here. If Hamas had just attacked and massacred a load of innocent people unrelated to anything with no motive, it's different to Hamas attacking a group of illegal settlers, many former IDF members (due to the compulsory military training that ALL Israelis have to do) against a backdrop of decades of apartheid and illegal occupation.
Three weeks ago, virtually no-one was talking about Israel and their ongoing breaches of international law. It's not newsworthy. Saying "Israel are breaking international law" is as newsworthy as saying "Breaking news: Water is wet". Against that backdrop, what are Hamas supposed to do? Write their seven hundredth strongly worded letter?
If you walk down the street and see a homeless man, a former war vet who has been failed by the system, steal food from a bin so he doesn't starve to death, do you really treat that the same as a fraudster stealing the life savings from grannies? Would you repeatedly demand that everyone you see condemn him, using the exact wording that you provide? All while the fraudsters continue committing their crimes?
That's what every demand to condemn Hamas sounds like. Ignore the big picture, ignore the massive crimes and focus down on how bad those driven to the brink have acted while pretending that we would be paragons of morality if put in such a position.
I wish they held Israeli reps to the same kind of scrutiny.
They wouldn’t dare, because they think they are angels who can never do no wrong
Israel is held up to more scrutiny than any of it's terrorist neighbours.
Calm down
Talk to hamas about this.
@@HA-jq1mu Yes they can't. Talk to hamas about this.
It is a pity that LBC does have a regular presenter such as this caller. The current roster is ageing and out of touch with the broad opinion across the country. They have all latched on to 7th October but I have never heard them devote so much time to any of the previous Gaza sieges or the basic essentials of life denied to so many.
@taxpayer did anything prompt those sieges?
Latched on to October 7th? Have you lost your mind?
the basic essentials of life denied to so many ...by Hamas
@@Kate-DoesPerhaps you should educate yourself. I’ll give you the names of Jewish Israeli and Jewish American academics and experts (who btw the parents and grandparents of were victims of the holocaust) (plus a couple of Rabbis) so you can actually learn the truth.
Amira Hass. Raz Segal. Ilan Pappe. Norman Finklestein. Noam Chomsky. Miko Peled. Offer Cassif. Dan Cohen. Daniel Levy. Double Down News. Rachel Shaabi. Rabbi Yisroel Weiss. Rabbi Dovid Feldman. Rabbi Beck.
@@keithknight42 Perhaps you should educate yourself. The Palestinians of Gaza are kept in a concentration camp. The rest are also subjected to military occupation and daily terror. If you don’t believe me, hear it from ex-IDF soldiers (you can find interviews and documentaries on this on RUclips) I’ll give you the names of Jewish Israeli and Jewish American academics and experts (who btw the parents and grandparents of were victims of the holocaust) (plus a couple of Rabbis) so you can actually learn the truth.
Amira Hass. Raz Segal. Ilan Pappe. Norman Finklestein. Noam Chomsky. Miko Peled. Offer Cassif. Dan Cohen. Daniel Levy. Double Down News. Rachel Shaabi. Rabbi Yisroel Weiss. Rabbi Dovid Feldman. Rabbi Beck.
There are many comments below claiming that the guest condemned the massacre of 7 October 2023.
He did not.
He called it an act of resistance.
The trouble with the media often is the confounding ignorance of people like Fogarty who hypocritically will not acknowledge the crimes committed by Israel but only ever ask for condemnation in one direction, and that is the oppressed, so she essentially renders herself unqualified to even talk about the awful events of 7/10/23.
What crimes have been committed by Israel?
@@GretsGarbo What??? You must be trolling. Where does any right-minded person begin......
@@mella8298 So, you can't answer the question.
@@GretsGarbo Well, shall we start with the illegal occupation of Palestinian territory or the war crimes Israel has committed and continues to? But then again, if you hold the kind of view you hold, then you will be completely blinkered by that and just deny it. 🤷♂️
@@mella8298 Thank you for replying to me without calling me a troll! So, how do I unpick your loaded statement? Firstly, Israel is not illegally occupying any Palestinian territory. Are you referring to the West Bank, or are you referring to Israel itself? The West Bank was illegally taken by Jordan. This was land originally intended for a Jewish homeland as agreed and approved by the League of Nations and the United Nations. If anybody committed a crime it was Jordan. Israel won it back when the United Arab Nations lost a war that they had started in the first place. Israel allows Arab Palestinian people to live there despite that fact it was never the Arab Palestinians' land. How can that be a crime? I suggest you study a little history about this subject. Secondly, again can you tell me which war crimes Israel has committed? Defence during a war is NOT a war crime, unlike the war crimes committed by hamas and their supporters? You must be one of them. I suggest you stop listening to Palestinian propaganda. The biggest propaganda lie, it that it is their land!
I'm just so disgusted by LBC right now!
Follow the money - look at who owns Global Media, under which LBC sits. Then you'll have some context into why LBC presenters are trying to ignore discussions about anything pre October 7th. I now get my news from Al Jazeera.
Why? That was so gentle. Why this man cannot bring himself to condem Hamas which is openly genocidal is beyond me.
I was curious why.
@@narendra62 He was clearly only going to make legal and objective statements. She was trying to muddle his discourse by asking him for personal opinion. She knew what she was doing!
@@bramsanjanssan4908 Legal and objective? Don't think so. Don't you find it odd so many pro Palestine people cannot condemn Hamas? Don't they realise who these people are and what they stand for?
This guy is a very intelligent man, he should be invited more to talk shows. He speaks the truth
I couldn't agree more, he completely outwitted her. She was stumped bamboozled, and he did it softly, calmly, and rationally.
Couldn’t disagree more, he’s a dim witted biased drone, actually perhaps he should have more exposure if only to highlight how some are so completely polarised ,oh and his repetitive quotes were completely irrelevant !
@@georgehetty7857 someone’s a bit angry?? ‘Don’t be mad UPS is hiring’
@@ChelseaFCMario No need old chap, retired but I hope you enjoy bringing whatever I fancy
for the rest of your life👍🏴👋🏻
@@georgehetty7857 aww bless you darling…. Well I’d recommend staying away from mainstream media 😉
i am a black south african, born in 91, i only really know apartheid from the stories my grandfather use to tell me... The british supported our oppression until it's dying days... History is on the side of the Palestinians... How arrogant can a people be to expect to have the only resistanceless occupation and colonization in human history
"Our oppression" by your own admission you were never oppressed.
@@palerider955 wow such great insight 😒
Why does anyone expressing solidarity with Palestinian's (not Hamas) need to constantly denounce Hamas's attacks? Yet hosts like Shelagh do not hold Israeli spokespeople to the same standard? Whether a random individual denounces individual attacks is rather meaningless in the grand scale of things and pure clickbait. Wish places like LBC would do better than clickbaiting gutter politics.
Because it shows they are hypocrites.
@@GretsGarbo She's exposing herself as a hypocrite more than anything else
Ridiculous interview; her lack of empathy for Palestinians is breath-taking and quite callous
All he needed to say in response was 'yes, the attacks by Hamas on Saturday 7th October was a massacre'. Instead he seemed to be an apologist for the attack, implying the victims brought it on themselves because of Israeli actions in Gaza
She’s a disgrace when it comes to the Palestinian people!
She's only discomforted by certain things. She will happily make excuses for war crimes
I think he’s pretty clear. He said international law permits resistance and outlaws attacks on civilians. He’s citing a framework which is much more consistent than emotion.
lol
Haha, as clear as mud. Basically he's okay with the massacre on the 7th Oct
Literally the "BuT dO yOu CoNdEmN hAmAs?!" meme. We can't keep doing this. We're gonna be at the point where we're going up to Palestinian children saying, "Oh sure, you can have this water. BuT dO yOu CoNdEmN hAmAs?!"
Is this not what narcissist do gaslighting!!
These stars wrote a letter to condemn the pain and suffering that is currently taking place in Gaza. It doesn't mean that they don't care about what happened to the Israelis. Why are we nowadays always questioning the intention of anyone who is opposing the atrocities in Gaza? Being against the killing of innocent Gazans doesn't mean you're antisemitic or pro hamas. This is so frustrating!
It really isn't. This is an incredible volatile situation on a bigger level and has to be handled carefully. This isn't the time to take sides. Iran and russia hamas and hezbollah are watching carefully for cracks. Hamas knew exactly what they were provoking and nd there are still hostages in gaza. We also have to remember there is a lot of disinformation out there. Hamas isn't protecting Palestinians yet he lays no blame there. Everyone knows this is a right mess
It often does though, that’s why this question always gets asked
Since they didnt mention it in the letter, they obviously dont care
Be nice if they did write a letter condemning pain and suffering… yet they picked a side… the side calling for the wiping out of the other
Not a single one of them will ever work in Hollywood again from the day they signed it 🤣
What she is really saying... "I am discomforted by your refusal to repeat my exact words. Words that are designed to cover for apartheid."
No, what she is saying that it is hypocritical to condemn violence from only one side. Even if the violence is in self defense there are still rules that have to be followed.
@@Bridgeburner4477 He clearly stated that killing non-combants is illegal. People should be allowed to talk about facts without being bullied into emotive talking points that are designed to deflect from the bigger conversation.
.@@ChrisWorth he said that refering to the palestinians. When asked about the Israeli's in the same context?, stone cold silence.
@Bridgeburner4477 Watch again. He said that regarding the whole situation. He also said violence isn't justified.
@@ChrisWorth yet he spent the entire time belly aching about the Israeli's and gave nothing about the brutality by hamas. hamas lost the seven day war and instead of accepting defeat they mount a terror campaign against the Israeli's. They lost claim to that land a long time ago.
Why does she keep asking him to condemn the Hamas atrocity... will she condemn the Israeli savage, inhumane; not to mention illegal response ?
To her, equality 🟰 feels like oppression. Which is why her blind spot is so important.
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Shelagh parrots the same old nonsense. Great work Samir. The ignorance in mainstream media is something else
Oh it’s not ignorance they know very well what’s going on.
He wasn't justifying Hamas' actions; he's a man of peace
What you describe as ignorance can be seen as non bias by anyone else
He was intelligently stating the social cultural and historical context of the occupation and siege of Gaza while she was attempting to ridicule in a one dimensional bizarre way @@annishilcock4587
@@annishilcock4587 It's like being non bias about south african apartheid or the nazis killing jewish people
This type of response from Fogarty is on brand. I'm glad I listened to this he is intellectually superior dismantling of Fogarty's feeble parrot-comments are interesting. I normally switch off when Forgarty's on the radio. Her what-about-ism and populism betrays her lack of integrity. Fogarty is disgusting. But on brand. Reminds me of a cut-price Farrahri.
...totally inaccurate..
@@chatham43 if this were a classic domestic violence case where Zionist Israeli's were the long standing violent irrational and abusive "husband" and non-Jews the long suffering "wife". If the "wife" finally attacked the "husband" and then the husband ended the wife's life. Fogarty would be arguing that it was the wife's fault for pickup up the knife.
Fogarty is disgusting.
...totally accurate...
He didnt even condemn Hamas's actions, you could say that Israelis oppression of Palestinians is due to the trauma that Jewish people suffered in the holocaust, howevwr you cannot justify what Hamas did a couple of weeks ago and the fact he doesnt condemn the attack where innocent civilians were slaughtered and kidknapped with automatic weapons is disgusting. If any group carried out this attack I would condemn it if I was asked. I understand that Hamas isnt created in a vacuum and there are reasons why organisations like this emerge, especially after how the IDF has treated Palestinians through the years but Hamas are not helping their fellow Palestinians.
No facts, just personal insults, how mature
Proud of the young man who is not intimidated by the Presenter’s bullish questioning !
Why does every interview now start with the host asking the guest to condemn Hamas? Im assuming this is a criteria that’s been set by someone in the media. It can’t be a coincidence
@paulchristodoloulou7973 Yes you're absolutely right.. I also noticed that in the many interviews I have been watching..Interesting comment quote here on YT:
Hamas commits war crimes
The world (rightly so):” We are disgusted by their actions”
Israel commits war crimes
The world: “I’m going to pretend I didn’t see that.”
Because anyone decent with a conscience would condemn Hamas. Particularly after what they did in Israel recently that horrified the world.
The kind of creepy cranks who for some reason can't condemn them should be shown to the world.
She chooses to remain blind
You'd think this conflict started 10 mins ago, the way these journos insist that callers first, unequivocally, condemn the Hamas attack, before stating their position. Overwhelmingly, I suspect the majority of lay callers in all outlets, find the action of Israeli appalling, and that too of Hamas, but yet there is the sense that the crimes against Israelis are greater than the historical crimes against Palestinians. It's on par with criticism of Israeli as being anti-semitic, and pro Palestinian equating to being pro Hamas.
She doesn’t like his answers of international law of resistance and ignoring the rut cost of the violence the usual double standards.
All they care about is October the 7th, they are blind to anything previous
Is she just going to keep pushing until she gets the answer she wants. ? She obviously supports the Israeli regime.
And he keeps dodging the question refusing to denounce a terror attack.
And he obviously supports a terrorist regime. Most sane people support the non radicalised Palestinian people and condemn Hamas!
She’s only short of whipping out the Torah and slapping on a Star of David necklace 😂
@@SK-ei4cm at last, some sense in here
@@janecooke9151 at last, some sense in here
Didn’t realise Shiela was so oblivious to history
I always used to think as a child when learning about the holocaust (The event that can never be forgotten as we are reminded of it all the time) now I see why that horrible crime happened because the rest of the world just watched and let it happen. This is happening because the western world does not condemn this. Shelagh seriously how do you not know the history of israels illegal occupation of Palestinian land.
I know the history of the whole of the region, and I can say with certainty, that you have got it all wrong.
Do you condem what hamas did 2 weeks ago?
@@salaciousoneyes we all condemned it, but can you get yourself to condemn Likud's atrocities... Probably not.
i guarantee you know nothing about the history.
how old is the wailing wall? is that enough to end the claim to the land?
romans, babylonians, judea and samaria???
hamas wants to obliterate all jews and israel.
yes the media is sick for allowing this to happen.
@@Freemouse159 who was speaking to you stermer boy?
He is a great speaker! Very educated, articulate and calm
What is his name?
The Israeli state strategically selects the conflict's starting point to align with its victim narrative, rewinding the clock in overdrive to 7 October to justify their actions and the tragic events in Gaza. Yet, they avoid delving deeper, refusing to rewind to 1948 when Palestinians were forcibly expelled from their homeland, a critical historical context they prefer to overlook.
1948? The time when Arab countries rejected the 2-state solution?
@@davidgaskin5417 Why should they accept European Zionist's occupying their land?
@@davidgaskin5417I think it has to be 1947.
Wow !! What a well spoken intelligent young lad !! You handled Sheila’s usual verbal gymnastics & tropes with amazing clarity & confidence.
Samir Eakanda you’re a breath of fresh air. Thank you for being the voice of voiceless Palestinians.
Fair play to this guy and all the people who signed the letter, for saying what needs to be said...I applaud and thank you all...please don't stop... ☮
Fair play? Haha - he knows nothing about what he's ranting about, there's zero understanding of the situation.
I can't listen to this! He just wont condemn Hamas, their agenda and actions! Just repeating that violense must end - which I take that most of us want. Unbelieveable. This aches listening to
Bravo to the Artists!
Hey NPC, time to update your avatar
@@jeffsimon9594 Happy with my avatar thank you! No change required!
Funny how all these ppl want them to conndemn Hamas but when they are ask to do the same with Israel they run into a box
If you can't condemn Hamas, a terrorist organisation, then that's a massive red flag.
The massacre on Oct 7th has happened and can not be prevented now, other atrocities can be prevented if people act why is the presenter finding this so hard?
For Israel this iss to prevent future October 7's and another holocaust. Simple as that.
I wouldn't insult animals by associating Hamas with them.
To explain the route cause of violence is not to justify anything. Well said.
He could not say it!!!!!
@@dominicblakeartwriterhow are they not a resistance group who are now using terror as a tool?
Yes. Yawn. Adult response. @@dominicblakeartwriter
I am an African and I have a question. But first, let me quote the Prosecutor of the ICC, Karim A. A. Khan KC, who threw the charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity against Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova based on reasonable grounds that the two are responsible for "unlawful deportation and transfer of Ukrainian children from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation, contrary to article 8 ...The entire western world (political zealots) quickly tried and convicted Putin and as I write, the arrest warrant is active and has not been withdrawn. What is the ICC waiting for in Israel, and specifically Benjamin Netanyahu and his subjects to be slapped with similar crimes against the Palestinian people today? Until this question is answered, and Netanyahu is on ICC arrest warrant, Putin is a free person and the charges must be dropped with immediate effect, otherwise, ICC has no Jurisdiction and function anywhere on earth.
I have mixed feelings about this. It shouldn't be this difficult to condemn the Hamas attack, but on the other hand the price for having an opinion about this in the media seems to be this pro forma condemnation. It is then enlisted to rhetorically place people calling for the cease fire on the back foot, as if to say that because they don't support Israel using Hamas a pretext for a war crime, they must endorse killing Israeli civilians. It frames the attacks as the opening salvo in a war, when it is just the latest battle in a prolonged conflict which Israel has absolutely exacerbated at every turn. This was inevitable, predictable, and predicted. We're not supporting it. We're just not surprised. And it is particularly grating to hear the people who couldn't be bothered to care this whole time for longer than 5 minutes at a stretch lecture the rest of us about our lack of concern for innocent life.
He answered her question very clearly. She clearly has an agenda and is unwilling to listen.
Sorry but the Hamas guy is the one with the agenda and just parroting slogans.
HE DID NOT CONDEMN THE MASSACRE IF THE 7TH OCTOBER!
Agree wholeheartedly. As I've said elsewhere in this chat, look at who pays her - she's trying to keep her job.
Wow, that guy was a total snake.
I’m horrified by the massacre against Israelis in southern Israel and I am horrified by the oppression and abuses suffered by the Palestinians by the Israelis for decades. You can be outraged by the actions of both sides. You don’t have to pretend to only see and support one side. If we ever wish for this region to enjoy any peace, we will have to look at the wrongs perpetuated by both sides.
exactly. Humanity should be for both. World has gone crazy
Well said. Your comment is pretty much the only balanced and humane one I've read on this whole depressing thread. Everyone else has picked their side and nothing will change their mind
@@pauldove966You have to bear in mind an awful lot of these posts are likely to be bots and not written by people who actually listened to the interview.
The guest is an absolute legend! Respect for standing to humanity.
He cares for the bloodlust of Hamas
I am fiercely in favour of a reunited Ireland. I have thought for decades that the partitioning of the country was wrong on every level. BUT I DON'T NEED TO DECRY THE I.R.A. to hold on to this view.
You would if the IRA had massacred 1500 British citizens and were launching rockets into U.K. cities.
See the first reply,it’s an actual analogy rather then your false equivalent.
@@artnull13 I sense we'd be upset if Britain had bombed Belfast to rubble because there might be some IRA types in the city, too.
@@keithpanton7486too mixed... if they had bombed 'The Bogside' to rubble maybe...
In fact...to even up maybe a historical jumble with serve you better
the days of Cromwell in Ireland,
with the black and tans keeping order for his rule- if you want to ramp up the bloodshed on the republican side...
And you'd be asking if the black and tans under Cromwell
as Tipoo Sultan's donated rocket volleys flew every which way over British settlements...
You'd be asking if the armalite welding provos rushed The Pale and blew the kneecaps off 1500 men women and children... do you really think that the brits wouldn't have reacted in a similar kneejerk reaction?
If they had... all things being equal
I cancsay that the present _me_ would have no problem in pointing fingers in all directions and calling them the C word but I wouldn't downplay the barbarity provos, nor the rage fuelled reaction of Cromwell's Tans...
Weird how by making it more relevant to a situation close to my own heart i fohnd that neither was my bloodlust enflamed nor were my blinkers to my _own_ side's terrible actions set in place.
If we mash history together to make examples more *real* to what we know... maybe the idiocy of some positions would crumble more readily than the defences go up and evasions begin to be voiced
@markhepworth I don't think you know what an analogy or a false equivalence is.
The purpose of an analogy is to explain something complicated with something similar but easier to understand. The direct comparison between two occupations doesn't even attempt to do that.
To prove something is a false equivalence, you must show important differences that have been omitted. Can you do that?
Hair splitting while dancing on the head of a pin - quite a skill Shelagh.
Try educating yourself
Samir Eskanda, SHAMELESS .
The most ridiculous interview ever 😂😂😂😂
The host is clearly unlearned 😂😂😂
Qudos to the interviewee for keeping his cool and not sarcastically tear her to shreds ...
Hypocrites deserve the worst in this life and the afterlife if you believe in it.
The MSM sound like a broken record. So utterly useless. The young man spoke so clearly and to the point. Shelagh, your audience understand his point of view, why cant you?
A: "What is your name?"
B: "There are many names, of which I identify with one."
A: "So which one do you use?"
B: "As I've said, I have one and everyone has the right to use a name."
A: "To me it sounds like you do not want to share your name. I'll ask again, what is you name?"
B: "I have already answered your question. I'll answer it again. Yes."
I suppose Hamas is totally free of war crimes. Tell Hamas to lay down their weapon Electric Gas and water would be restored if and when Hamas releases the hostages especially young children and babies
Hamas was created by Israel......checkable fact
And who has control over Hamas? The more than 50% of Palestinian children? So, if Hamas doesn't lay down their weapons, all Palestinians will be continue to be bombed and deprived of vitals as a collective punishment?
Why has Israel got this much power over someone else’s lands in the first place? Who gave them the authority to inflict border control over someone else’s lands? Oh right your friends the UK and US did. Off course people in their own lands shouldn’t fight for themselves just blame Hamas for everything even though they came out 30 years ago after 75 years of illegal occupation.