Melting, SCRAP LEAD, Wheel Weights, Into INGOTS
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- Опубликовано: 31 окт 2016
- Smelting lead into ingots!!! How to; Things you need, How to separate the wheel weights. The difference between zinc, Lead, Steel. How to test it and check for it. From the cast iron pot to the ingot molds I get from K-Mart... I save hundreds of dollars in the time it takes to cook dinner!!! Any cast iron pot or pan, Any metal spoon, Any pair of snips or cutters!!! { BULLETS}
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I use a thermometer. When it gets to 650 I turn the gas down, stir and toss everything that floats.
No pre-sorting for me
lead melts at 327 C or about 621 F
Zinc melts at 786 F
Steel 2599 F
Cast Iron 2150-2369 F
Tin 449 F
Antimony 1,166 F
Iron 2,800 F
Yes I do the same. I never buy Ingots from those that don't use a thermometer and melt lead. A new caster can get the wrong idea from this operation with no thermometer.
@RJ & SHAH : 💯% agreed!!; I purchased a smelting RCBS thermometer, (Analog & basic, pretty accurate), decades ago. Still working as new!.
I know you done this a while ago, but I just gotta tell you I got my first 5 gal. bucket of wheel weights today and began sorting them. Little way in I remembered this vid of your'n and came back for look. You are the oracle of all knowledge when it comes to casting. Thanks man.
Your videos are excellent, and have helped me out with my casting and powder coating. Great content!! Keep making videos!!
Been casting a few years but never powder coated any and you are really interesting in your analysis of the way heating the bullets. I built my own ingot molds but yours are lot easier to use.
Awesome video Elvis as always!!! Very informative learned something new about sorting and identifying the zinc and Steel wheel weights. Stay Safe Brother!
This is exactly what I needed! Thanks for taking the time and doing this from beginning to end.🍻
Good video as always! Smelting looks like a fun hobby, along with reloading. You explain everything great!
hey L33tmaster15.... oh it is... very addictive .. fun hobby... get on board and you can become obsessed too.! : )
Great vid Elvis! Very informative.
Your making my mouth water there El with those tasty looking mini-loaves!
Each one to me is 105 X .45 cal. RNF's or SWC's X 200 grains each. Your a born teacher there my friend...I enjoy listening to your friendly voice. charlie
hey Charles Irby. .. check your email. ..
elvis ammo I just came across your site and was wondering what this purple film I get when I melt my wheel weights and how to deal with it?? Thank you I subscribed
elvis ammo What's that tool you are using??
You are an excellent baker sir. Your lead cakes look perfect
I just found you on RUclips and I can't get enough of watching this very educational for this Yankee
Thanks Yankee! : )
Great share Elvis :-) Thumbs up! Have a nice Midweek 🐢🐢 Jenny 🐢🐢
Fascinating to watch the process. Great video👍
Thank you for the videos. Just wanted to add another point of difference when sorting - most of the time Zinc weights will be about 40% larger (length and/or depth) than the same weight value in lead. Steel will be about 10% bigger.
As always great video Elvis ! Having trouble finding wheel weights!
Very interesting using sawdust to flux the lead. I guess you learn something new every day!!! I use tea candles to help separate the metal from the lead
Another fine lesson. The only thing you might add to your game is a thermometer. Temp control is a must for consistant quality control. Also handy in preventing any zinc from getting in your alloy. Thank you.
Hey mklean1... thanks again!!! i've done so much of this stuff. that a thermometer would only tell me what I already know... but it might be good for someone starting out that wasn't comfortable with it. give it a stir and if the lead hasn't all melted than it's not hot enough to melt zinc yet... than skim it and see if you missed anything.. thats all she wrote... : ) thats what I call temp. control....
this has been genuinely educational thank you
Thanks for the content. Really appreciate it. Happy New Year!!!!
Happy New Year to you Joe Man! : )
this guys a genius. why spend $50-$60 on an ingot mold. when i can spend $10-$15 on a steel load pan that does the same job. its steel so it will stand up to the heat of copper, lead, brass and a lot of other metals too
I buy scrap came from a stained glass window place, zinc mixed with lead always. Just go low and slow and the zinc floats every time. Great vid.
hey jeeper999999... yea the best of us learn the hard way! that's what makes ya best.... ; ) thanks for sharing!
i get a magnet and get the steel out first,makes the lead and zinc sorting easier.
Yes smart!
I do too. But I'm careful that the steel attracted is just the hanger and not the lead wheel weight.
What about all the steel.clips in the lead weights
Elvis what can I say .. Your the best . Good info .
thanks again Nick L. .. my brother from Jersey! !!! ; )
I used to sort my weights, but gave up and now just watch my pot and keep the temp low. Saves a bunch of time and I haven't had any zinc ones melted yet. I do spend a few minutes trying to pick out the stick on weights, but it's not a big deal if I miss some. If I want pure lead I can get some roofing sheets at the scrap yard. I use a ladle to scoop out the lead into muffin tins instead of lifting the pot because that's much too risky for me.
Hey Prepare2Survive.... yea man.... Im a little OCD about it! for sure I could throw it all in and skim out the zinc and steel.. No problem...Maybe starting out one should separate them out until they know what there doing! But im on the same page...but the stick on weights are the way for me to control my lead hardness... they come in at half and more the bhn of the clip on.... That would be awesome to get some 45 hp. to test. I have handgun and carbine to shoot from! Let me know? thanks again.....
Elvis- Thanks for the info!!! this video helped me out a ton! Now I can get to casting!
your welcome Bryson allen. ... really needed to do this video for a while. .. You give me the push I needed. ... Happy Casting To Ya!
Thanks Elvis, I have poured ingots using Lee and Lyman molds about 600 or so, I will tell you I like the mini loaf tin, Saw your video and ordered 3 of them I like them, the first couple of pours they do look like moon rocks like you warned. These are a great size and shape for stacking your lead. Plus you have room to make little notes and do not have to do it a million times. Thanks for sharing the suggestion Terry
Hey terryp5001... yep everything you said is the same reason I love em! glad to Help! : ) Thanks for taking the time to comment!
An update, I have now poured 200+ ingots in these mini loaf tins, at 180 in the main one, I do not think it will ever wear out. Works still really well. Wilton for sure a quality brand.
terryp5001 thanks for the update! I haven't wore one out yet either. . they are worth the couple xtra bucks!
Love it brother, safety third! Thanks for sharing!
I use a magnetic pickup tool...so the steel ones are easy to identify...The main reason I use a magnetic pickup tool is I get free wheel weights courtesy of the two highways that are near where I live I picked up ten pounds of lead wheel weights and a couple steel ones LOL! I will let you know now if you are walking the side of the freeway near your house I guess people thought I was crazy and called the local PD and the cop that stopped to see why I was looking for something I told him I was picking up lead wheel weights and that got a confused look at me from the officer and he asked why I'm picking up the wheel weights. And the best answer you can give is two reasons for one its helping me be able to find a small source of free lead because I cast and handload all my lead bullets for my pistols and rifles. And two it helps the environment by recycling and by picking it up off the sides of the road keeps it from getting into streams and rivers when the rain washes them down the storm drains and ditches, which also has a good chance of ending up in the municipal water supply and we end up drinking it...the cop that had stopped to ask what and why got both satisfactory and complete answers, he asked my name and b-day and license number I gave him my info and he said he'd let the other officers know that I'm not being a bother and that I'm recycling the junk off the sides of the road. He was cool as hell after I explained what I was doing and asked me if I found very many, he was amazed at how many I had found in a half mile stretch of road. Now when they see me they just honk and wave at me, not to mention I have found so many tools and good scrap metals ECT...just in case anyone hasn't thought of that yet I figured I'd share my free source, I'm always walking around walmart, gas station, restaurant, and any parking lots I happen to be in and just find a couple, thats when I had the idea of checking the sides of busy roads and it was a great idea! I have never seen anyone suggest that in all the info I've seen or read about cheap and free sources of lead. Hope I helped someone else out with what I found out was a good place to chec
Bonjour Elvis, another great video bro. At my club we have a guy that throw's every thing into his melt and skims off the zinc! Not me, like you I spent a little time and do it right. Scored for 2 diver's weight belts yesterday, in exchange for doing a repair weld on his trailer.
Hey there my far away friend BZHprepper..... thats my favorite way to do business, Barter.... Nice Score! always good to know there is someone just like me across Atlantic!!! God Bess Ya Brother!!
Also, not sure if someone else has mentioned this, but there are markings - Fe is Iron, Zn is Zinc, P or PB is lead (Periodic table of elements) Magnets will also not pick up lead or non ferrous metals (the ones we're after)...They WILL pickup the ferrous metal clips....but you can tell by if the weight sticks to the weight or the clip....quick easy way to sort. I started using my steel pin magnet (for cleaning brass). Works nicely and was something I had on hand already.
😕Elvis did in the first few minutes.
What do you do with all the steel clips in beaded in the lead weights? How do you remove them? Also how do you deal with the adhesive on the stick ons.. edit, never mind i kept watching and got my answers thank you
Another great vid Elvis. thanks. out here in Commifornia lead wheel weights are scarce but I'm getting some. Keep up the good work. I'll keep watching.. You ever thought of giving a loaf pan out in a random drawing. thanks again
hey Frank Rodriguez!!! thanks again for watching!!! so you like my ingot molds!!!!! they are about perfect. and they stack real nice too!
Cool vid!
Very informative!'Now, pour a big ol' lead skull! :D
good idea! : )
Thanks for the video! been waiting for this one!
Thanks Mark McCoy!!! I can't believe it took me so long to get to this!!! thanks again for watching!!!
Very informative great video
Hey man, great video very educational
I just bite into each one to see whether it is lead or not, you can easily dent the lead.
I haven't been doing much reloading lately though because I haven't been feeling too hot. Can't figure out why :)
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Aw shucks, here Wes Viginny we aint got any tooths left so we just givem a lick, icuntellrit quick if en lead or that fak stuf
Instablaster.
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You can actually save a zinc'd pot of alloy. Add pure sulfur to it, mix well, skim off the shit, flux, repeat until the alloy pours like normal.
Love you Elvis!!!
Where did you get that burner and how much does it cost! You have the most detailed and useful video on melting wheel weights into ingots! Thank you very much for uploading!
Grate video and information thanks
Elvis, a big thank you for sharing this video. Also Happy Thanks Giving. I have a question for you: what did you do to season your ingot mold? I just bought the same pan but all of my ingots came out looking like the surface of the moon. I have a Lyman 1lb mold as well and those ingots came out just perfect looking. Ps anxiously waiting for your custom mold test.
David Emery you might want to try pouring slower or heating the mold pan a bit.
Another great video! I like your method for testing the weights and that's something I wish I'd have used in the past. I've used wax as flux for years. Why do you like sawdust over wax? Have you ever used borax for fluxing?
Yeah same here... I've got big chunks of beeswax and just cut off a small piece an droop it in... Works great or seems to anyway...
I would never trash the zinc! Keep it aside and melt it too and pour that into ingots. Many uses and those who have larger boats would love to get the zinc from you.
Once bitten, twice shy here. I've sworn off wheel weights after ruining about a 30 lb batch of lead with zinc. I buy scrap plumbing and roofing lead from local recyclers for $1 per pound. I seriously get about twice the yield per pound vs wheel weights and I never worry about zinc.
This guy is awesome.
Maybe it has already been covered, but I use a Frankford magnet to pull out the stick on steel.
Couldnt you just run a magnet over the stick ons?
Pouring directly from the pot sure beats the heck outa ladling that stuff in!
Hey Elvis... thanks for all the videos. I just started melting my own and I'm finding here in Michigan I get about a 50/50 mix of usable and non-usable from the wheel weights I managed to buy. Most of the tire shops won't sell or give away their lead as they get paid by recyclers to pick it all up. I noticed that some of my weights that I've melted have an AL-MI. MI I believe stands for Micro the company that makes them. AL is Aluminum apparently. Does that cause an issue being mixed with lead? I seem to be getting a decent hardness to the ingots I've made so far.
Aluminum should definitely not be a problem because of the high temperature it requires to melt. Zinc is the only issue because of the lower temperature that it melts at. Just make sure you get those out before the temperature gets too high👍👍👍
Tapping the WW on a chunk of metal like a vice, will give a different sound for steel and zinc vs. lead.
hey gman77gas.... thats correct my friend... thanks for your input!!! as you know other comment readers will benefit !!! thanks for watching!!! again : )
Thanks for the video Elvis. Do you use strictly clip on wheel weights for pistol bullets like 9mm? Or do you mix the alloy? Please make a video of your next step. Would that be testing the hardness of those ingots? Do you go straight to casting? Your next step video would be greatly appreciated!
Hey Big Al..... thanks for a great question! and for realizing that there is not a single answer! You want answers, because there's more than one...... : ) you would be right. The best answer, is a next step video.....I like it !!! thankyou for pointing that out, and thanks for watching!!! see ya in the next video!
Do you still get wheel weights or are they mostly zink?
What do you pay for wheel weights per pound or 5 gallon bucket?
NICE! I wish I could find free lead around here.. I run a makerspace here for the local kids (Teaching design and manufacturing to keep them off the streets and out of trouble) and we like to cast "trinkets" and fishing weights but can get pricey buying lead and pewter all of the time especially when you are a disabled stay @ home father of 5 like myself ;P Been trying to "save" so we can build one of those PID controllers you use with your pot also. Great info EA!
Did you spray something in the loaf pan to make the ingots release so easy?
I love learning how others skin a cat! I like that Wilson Mini Loaf pan! Do your three pound ingots fit in the Lee 20 pound pot? Thanks for sharing the knowledge!
Hey there CountyBoyPrepper! yea, it's always cool to watch someone do the craft of cat skinning! ; ) ... Good question. ... I usually stack 2 at a time in the lee 20 lb bottom pour pot. ....the first one I bought off the shelf at Walmart. .. then couldn't find it anymore. .. I got worried and hustled the Internet for.some more backup pans! thanks CountryBoyPrepper. ..
elvis ammo I found that Walmart still sells them but you have to order it online
+David Emery yea.. I originally got mine from Walmart. and then couldn't find them anymore. .. so I found them at K Mart online. .. they work great and and hold up! thanks for watching!
elvis ammo see my question I posted below, I purchased the pan you mentioned but the ingots come out looking cratered. Is there something specific that i need to do to season the pan?
+David Emery did ya separate wheel weights for the lead? how pitted are they? I'm hoping you didn't melt zinc in with the lead, that's my #1 concern... if it's just small pitting. this can happen, maybe pouring to fast...
I am new to reloading and have been watching your videos over and over. The thing is, your lead looks very clean before you flux and soon after you flux, mine doesn't look that good ever. I fluxed 6 times yesterday and kept getting crap floating to the top and a "copper" looking film that never went away even after I scrape the bottom well. I use a stainless steel pot and utensils. What am I doing wrong?
Wrong flux
Those ingots look good enough to eat :-)
Thanks for the tip on the mold pan !
PS: Watch lifting that pot, you might be playing with fire, just saying be careful.
hey Nick J... those some fine mini loafs!!! ; ) I can cook.... now all I need is someone to lift the pot for me!!! ; ) thanks Nick J.....
Those mini loaf pans are on sail for $11.69 :-)
Only 241 likes?????? Come on people! Thanx 'El', a down to earth, mater of fact, clear 'no bones about it' video. Gb bg
Ya put soft lead in, ya take zinc out my mom and dad are cousins ya'll have not doubt..... Wow this guy is dumb as fuck hahahaha
Where dose your lead weights come from,.... Where do you get them and roughly how much?
Zinc makes a mess of lead, I made a 80 lb pot with zinc mixed it. It took forever to us it.
can you melt the zinc and pour into ingot and sale for electrolizist plates to go on boats
I am gonna get a turkey fryer burner soon now I'm using a propane coleman stove and a ten foot hose to my 20 pound tank its working well but temp control can be a problem if you don't know how sensitive the gas control on the stove is
Donnie, don't stand down wind of the fan
Are the battery led good for pellets?
Is that a black kettle pot? If not, what is it and where did you get it? Thanks
i melt wheel weights to make buck tail lures and fish sinker several sizes i just pour my aluminum pot about half full place it on a propane burner and watch the melt then i have amagnet fastened to a coat hanger so can dip the magnet all the steel clings so you can toss it out i use a ladle thih a long handle to pour my molds i have made several thousand lures and sinkers lead melts at about 720 deg i think i never seperate hard or soft any impurites will rise to the top and you can dip them out
Frank,
Good technique.
I've been doing this as well.
however I use a thermometer. When it gets to 650 I turn the gas down, stir and toss everything that floats.
No pre-sorting for me
lead melts at 327 C or about 621 F
Zinc melts at 786 F
Steel 2599 F
Cast Iron 2150-2369 F
Tin 449 F
Antimony 1,166 F
Iron 2,800 F
Do you have to do this or csn i just melt them alll down at a time
Will the zinc hurt the bullet if it's a small amount
Thanks for the help!!
Plz watch the shadow cast by camera, etc. Sometimes it's
hard to see.
how to reduce slag lead during casting ?
For those that use an electric melting pot, you can build a PID for ~$30 that will regulate the temperature so that lead will melt, but zinc won't. Then then only sorting you have to do is separating stick-on weights from clip-on weights.
hey Psyko Klown... yes sir that works.... Johnny's reloading bench does a PID build on his channel looks simple! Thorsaxe777 does a build on his channel as well! good stuff! thanks for the input!!!
Why separate the flat stick on lead WW from the clip on lead WW..
Sorry Iam a little confused?
@@michael184272 They are different alloys. Clip on weights contain antimony and arsenic, which make it much harder, while stick on weights are close to pure lead.
Hi Elvis. Its youtube here.
Where were you in 1969 Linda when I started casting with lead wheel weights? You could have advised me then that I would be winning matches and taking game with junk For all these years.
when you melt the ingots down in the pour pot to cast the bullets do you have to flux it again or is the one time enough ?
hey TxStang Craig Voisin.....Yea you'll want to flux your bullet casting pot as well... I use sawdust again there... thanks for watching!
if you are using a new mold try using a candle to smoke the inside on the mold a faint black film this a good mold release just light the candle and hold it where the smoke can inter the mold i never molded bullets i moulded fish sinkers and bucktail lure heads with hooks by thr hundreds --------- safety item you caint be too careful when melting metals ---harbor freight has a very nice well made pair of big leather welder gloves that come high on your arms they are very cheap ----5- $ money well spent
When melting the stick on weights, do you use a separate pot to prevent contamination of the adhesive? Or does the adhesive just burn off?
hay marcb2k.... yea. it just burns off and you scoop it off the top... thanks for watching!
Thanks for the quick answer. Found you courtesy of FortuneCookie45LC. From your two channels, I've started making ingots from range scrap. Been collecting WW for a while and will start melting them down when it gets a little warmer out. Keep up the great work.
+marcb2k Thankyou, And Mr Fortune Cookie! .. ; )
I have some that are loaded with dirt. Should I wash them through a strainer first?
hey Richard Venneman. ... don't waste your time.... it all floats to the top! ; ) I have known people to wash them first... Little more OCD than I have for sure! !!
New to casting and I am collecting wheel weights. I have a question why do you separate the softer lead? Do you melt the softer lead separate than the harder lead?
It depends on your ultimate requirement for your lead. Some loads require soft lead, almost pure and others require harder lead (called hard cast) such as Lyman #2. If you find You're casting bullets that are too hard for your requirement, then you just mix in some of the softer lead. If you're too soft for your requirements then you need to add A harder alloy. Most bullets require an alloy of mostly lead but with a certain percentage of antimony and tin. The antimony actually makes the lead harder while the tin aides in forming the bullet more true to the mold. But if you're loading for black powder or shotgun then you want a softer lead closer to pure although you'll never get pure.
@@user-rw1oj4bo7e thank you for the response! Yea mostly going to be reloading for my 45/70 but who knows where I’ll go from there lol. Thanks again!
Sir, do you think a propane camp stove gets hot enough to do small batches of wheel weights?
It does but it will overheat the grill and discolor it. Might be a use for an older one, garage sale find.
I initially melt my lead for ingots using a cast iron kettle over a wood burning campfire on a piece of steel mesh. Fine and it's cheap. I know some folks just fine doing it on the burner on a stove. Don't let your wife fetch you . But of course those were the old days when we had no idea of the hazards of lead. But it's just not hard to do and you don't have to spend a bunch of money.
Great video Elvis! Do you ever add antimony to your lead to achieve a higher BHN?
hey Andrew caruso. no I don't usually need to add anything with the wheel weights. . by separating the clip ons from the soft stick ons I'm able to achieve rifle velocity. .. happy casting to ya.. and Happy New Year!
elvis ammo thanks for the quick reply Elvis. That makes sense. I'm hoping to hit the mother load on wheel weight like you. I have lots of used tires shops around me
+andrew caruso best of luck to ya brother!
Elvis, I have searched RUclips for a vid of someone comparing smelted zinc and lead and also mixing the two to see what it looks like. Nobody has done this. I'm not sure if that's something you're into but man would I love to see it.
+andrew caruso one thing I do know is that you can't mix the two. .... you won't get proper fill out and that's an understatement. But I am interested in very carefully trying just zinc. ...
Hey Elvis, I have a question. Steel is magnetic and lead is not right? couldn't you just run a powerful magnet over your lead and pull out all the steel that way? or does the lead get in the way?
yep... that works. Or just pull out the floating steel since there's no danger of it melting.. : )
Thanks, Man!
i bought a wilson to make ingots bc of this
What happens with adhesive on back of stick on weights? Does it just burn off to dross?
Yes
Probably a stupid question however, couldn't you just use a magnet for all of the steel and iron wheel weights? That way you only have to sort between lead, zinc and plastic.
hellhound713 no, because even lead wheel weights have a steel clip to attach to the tire
why do you powder coat your bullets ? is it corrosion protection?
RAZZMATAZZ, Powder coating Replaces bees Wax or sticky Alox for Lubing Cast Bullets. & its pretty!
Do you ever water quinch your ingots
You can wax for flux also
Maybe use silver for werewolves.
Nice . Do your self a favor and get a wielding jacket for pouring, just a little insurance policy. Good info.👍
Yes sir cast iron is the way. People that have been doing it for hundreds of years and most of there implements are cast iron.
Elvis Sorry to bother you but I'd love to know what burner brand and model you are using as mine is rusted out and is just ok. I'd like to use one that is known to work well.
NYC Reloader ...hey man! no bother at all! I don't know the brand but my guess is that the high pressure burner, I think it's called is gonna work better than the regular burner with the circle of flames like a stove top. the high pressure burner has one port that shoots one flame... hope that helps... bother me any time! : )
I feel stupid now! The "skin" that develops I thought was dross and have been scooping it out! No wonder my cast 30-30 flat heads disintegrate upon impact LOL! They'll cut through a 3/8" mild steel plate like a hot knife through butter but they disappear after
wow do not know where you live....lead wheel weights are a thing of the past where I live in Missouri....
guess what wheel weights do spoil of rot or go any where howdoi know some of mine are 30 yrs old
Where do you get all those wheel weights?
Anywhere I can. Automotive shops tire shops
Why not use a magnet or something to separate out the steel from the pile?
Because the clips that are molded into the lead weights are steel.
Do you have any videos of mixing your wheel weight ingots with tin and antimony??
Colton Koch ..if your using wheel weights, there's no need to mix your alloy. you can control bhn (hard and softer ) by water quenching or not. also by controlling your heat while powdercoating
elvis ammo awesome! How hot do you have your oven and for how long when you you’re heating your powder coat?
Colton Koch .. I like to heat for less than called for. .. about 300 or so degrees for 15 min. for most of my ammo..
elvis ammo thank you sir!
Would you be able to mix the soft and hard to make bullets? Yeah, it is me again.
Hey Me Again!... Richard Venneman... yes sir! thats the reason you cast the hard and soft ingots separate, so you can mix to make harder or softer bullets!
i guess you couldnt really use a magnet cuz of the zinc.. Unless you wanna sort them twice
MCs are lead with a coating.
Use a magnet?