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"There are some things that Puma does better than T-15" - I guess the main advantage here is that, contrary to the T-15, the Puma IFV does actually exist in deployable numbers and is not vaporware.
@@PugilistCactus The Puma's raw speed on on roads is higher, but large tanks like the Leopard 2 are usually faster on rough terrain due to the tracks being bigger. They have more stability and roll easier over the rough stuff. That's why the Puma's mobility is impressive , it's because it can also go over rough stuff as fast as the large tanks.
The puma hits a target in 3 km during driving full speed ……. It has a communication system on board so the driver sees everything that the infantry around him. This is the most advanced machine in this class. The newest and best.
@@EreVR-jp8dd The Jaguar is mainly a reconaissance vehicle. They are not in the same class with the Puma. But yes, the reconnaisance of the Jaguar is also state of the art.
Yes I didn’t know if I should laugh or cry as he said the T-15 would be superior like as the Su-34 is superior to the F-35 right ? 🤣 Well at least the Puma EXISTS and the Bundeswehr got 300 combat ready at any time.
Hi RedEffect there's one thing I would like to point out: engine torque doesn't matter. I don't blame you for making the mistake that more 'torquey' engine is better: it is popularized by car journalists who tend to know little about how cars work, and car makers advertise this figure fully knowing it's BS. What really determines how fast a vehicle accelerates or how much load it pulls is torque at the output axis: the tyre or drive sprocket. And this torque is engine torque multiplied by gear ratio and final drive ratio minus drivetrain loss. This means an engine with less torque can make up the deficit by using shorter gear ratios, but that also means they need more engine rpm to make up for the higher reduction which they tend to do. What's unique about Puma's engine is that it's unusually high revving for a military vehicle, in fact it's higher revving than many passenger cars. The design philosophy is to maximize specific power (kW/L) and power density (kW/kg), so the power pack can be more compact, weighs less, and consumes less fuel (fewer friction/heat loss). Instead the real problem here is not it has less torque than the Armata or any other military vehicle. It's that higher power density designs tend to have more stress and possibly more maintenance. This is the true reason pickup trucks and large SUVs use big 'torquey' V8 engines instead of a small screaming I4; the same applies to military vehicles too. I don't know how reliable Puma's engine is though, since reliability depends on many factors.
finaly someone who understand mechanics, also with more torque and unskilled crew there is greater chance of braking transmission. it is cheaper to produce it like this and I think it is safer to use it :D
@@PugilistCactus Not really, if the transmission is any good. You could go up steep inclines in much heavier vehicles with less powerful engines and less sophisticated transmissions 80 years ago.
@@PugilistCactus not necessarily. The transmission does it's job and the engine has a more flexible RPM range than most vehicles. If you need to climb a steep hil just shift down a gear or two and drive with a higher RPM. The Puma can do this due to its flexibility. Most other vehicles use truck like engines that don't vary a whole lot in their RPM range.
Der Kernspalter the KF31 was... it was a proof of concept and based on the Marder... the KF41 is it’s own vehicle... both the Lynx and Puma use the MK30 weapon system but the Lynx has a manned turret
It's hard to estimate the real price tag on the T15 since it won't be exported any time soon and things in Russia work very differently than in Germany.
Hah- NO! It doesn't look "badass"! xD On the contrary - its hull looks fat and overweight with a horrid cartoonish grid on the turret instead of a normal cannon mantlet... So sorry but Puma is one of the most visually repellent one, out of modern IFVs... And not to mention that it's so overcomplicated flawed that it - can't be even certified for active service...
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Look lisaent me pls i naed to talk you smafing pls gat my namber phon you whatn yes ore no we took in video chat i have latt of informishen abut tank leopard 2
2:35 wow! I always wondered how some auto cannons can be "duel feed" and swap between different cartridges on the fly, so it's an open bolt. I've learned something new today 😁
open bolt systems make maintenance and cleaning a lot easier as well, as long as you have a proper safety... that's a big problem for open bolt designs, like many german MGs, as the MG3, you have no real safety, as you can't lock the bolt when it's not opened, but an open bolt is the fire ready position
also generally open bolt systems aren't as precise as closed bolt systems but thats for machineguns rather than auto cannons since these are able to reliably fight threats at 3000 meters
This newest cornet i last test on tiger will be on atlet because russia will produce atlet instead of tiger, cornet i meantion is on the link and that cornet destroy from 90deegres to and they called it sniper cornet, at last this cornet will be installed on t14armata ruclips.net/video/Q5ynLv2jKq0/видео.html
Things the Puma can do better than the T-15: drive, being deployed, not being basically a paper tank, being more than a inventory statistic/meintion in the arsenal. And many more, but no need to beat a dead horse...
Me, a soldier who just wants to know what some guy on youtube has to say about our Puma: *clicks on video* Video: *plays German National Anthem* Me: *suddenly stands at attention saluting*
@Denis This is mainly because the Puma has more technology in it than the Leopard. The ATGM modules for example, and the laser sensors, and keeping compatibility with all of that means you have to keep all the systems in. Of course you could just take away the turret of a tank and reduce its armor, put the engine at the front and make an APC out of it. This is essentially what the M113 is. But the M113 does not have all the features that the Puma has. No real scouting ability, no ATGM, no 30mm gun, no protection system, no composite armor.
The budged of the german military is more than adequate. Look where it stands in the world, relative to soldiers fielded. We could accomplish so much if we downsized bureaucracy and stopped throwing the money out the window, having corruption scandals and having shitty ministers of defense back to back for decades.
@Apple Tek Support What you mean is a warmongering budget. There is a distinct difference. All three of these nations cripple their civil progress for excessive military spending. Look at how much money Germoney spends for each active soldier, then compare it to countries within a margin of reason, like France, the UK etc. Lack of funding is not our problem.
Wobbegong its warmongering if you are the top spender. Germany’s position as the shield of europe means it SHOULD invest more for the security of the EU
7:15 in real combat the units deployed by a puma would carry Anti-tank weapons and adapt their loadout to the situation (offense, defense etc. A.e. in defense the team also has one engineer to erect barricades) keeping them versatile.
So these aren't German soldier it looks like American What I miss in the video is that the puma isn't there to be used against tanks but to support the soldiers against light armour vehicles and personnel the units deployed by the puma have good enough anto tank weapons to destroy tanks
the firstt time i ever watched red effect, when he said fire control system i thought it meant when the engines caught on fire and it needs to be extinguished. im dumb
This IFV video series should go on. I would love to see about the BMP-3, the swedish CV-90 and Bradley. Actually, the T-15 beats the Puma with it's ATGM system, where both Commander & gunner can fire two missiles at the same time and slightly with front hull protection. The amount of tourque is rather trivial as long as it fits into the combined arms role. Which is the case with the newer Leopard 2 models, as the MBTs got heavier all along. When the Puma was developed/designed, this was a "must have requirement" for the engineers from the beginning. Edit: I think the video was a little bit too quiet this time, I had to increase volume pretty hard.
The dual fire ATGM's of the T-15 is an awesome system but if the missile can't see the target or gets jammed (due to MUSS) it wont help too much. But I guess it is not much different for the T-15 since it has an APS so both will have trouble hitting each other with ATGM's.
the weazel is also quite nice as you can stuf 2 of em in a helicopter and paradrop them are fast and can even be used in the dessert because of it's relative low weight. also has a lot of optional upgrades as antitank systems and mortars.
Vehicles like the T14-15 need to be considered technology demonstrators / prototypes and not combat vehicles, because they're not in production and AFAIK not deployed to combat units.
This was really comprehensive and informative with tecnical data that make sense. The narrater speak in such a way that one can follow exactly what is meant to say. No warm patato in the mouth accent and the video clip shows exactly what is under discussion. No B.S and rethoric nonsense. Very professional. Thanx so much.
The Puma with it's latest configuration and armor setup is still significantly lighter than the T-15 in it's base setup. It doesn't require that much power. It's also an easier overall build, which is less prone to issues, and weighing cost, efficiency and production, on the long run the Puma is a far more profitable long term investment than the T-15.
The T-15 isn't even a thing, honestly i don't understand how RedEffect could ever believe that it was a serious program. The entire armata program has been clearly dead since at least 2018-2019. I mean they didn't have enough money to upgrade the T-90 to T-90M and stated that it was unnecessary to upgrade the T-90 because the T-72B3M was good enough
Nah, they are Russian made. Most likely overcrowded with problems, even the PUMA still has, and tons more. The Russians are currently not able to surpass any western powers regarding military technology. That should not sound racist in any way, but it is an dictatorship/"communism". Everyone is corrupt and the production highly depends on bribe money and persons in charge. Complicated, highly advanced technology is nothing Russia knows something about or can produce on a greater scale, simply put. That is the main reason they still use realiable but totally outdated T-72s, T-80s (even as BVM) and T-90s. Their MBTs are as heavy as German specialised IFV (the PUMA is much more than "only" an IFV). In Ukraine, you see the full problem of Russian military: Not enough planning and bribe money. Catastrophic planning, basically no logistic making thousands of armored vehicles heavy road blocks and a troop morale that cannot even be strengthened by Russian generals - of which they have lost almost a fifth total. Believe me or not, Russia or more likely Putin, has totally overrated its own military.
Das Video bei Minute zwei ist falsch,es zeigt air burst Munition wie sie zum Beispiel vom 40 mm Granatwerfer verwendet wird, also mit Splitter Wirkung seitlich zur Flugbahn. Die Splitter der MK30 AHEAD wirken nur nach vorne, wie eine Schrotladung. Der Zündzeitpunk (Entfernung zum Ziel) bestimmt die Grösse der Garbe.
The T-15 isn't the best IFV because it is WAY to heavy and large, plus I'm willing to guess they cost a lot compared to most other IFVs. The T-15 is as big/heavy as some modern MBTs. So now crossing bridges and transporting the T-15 is going to be a a huge issue when compared to other IFVs.
I just love the comedically tiny barrel inside of the giant outer barrel cage or whatever you want to call it. Also this thing is the goat in War Thunder, absolutly love it.
Just a little addition concerning the pumas protection. In its combat configuration passive armor at the front, the sides and the turret provides protection against 30mm. In the back there is still armor against 14,5mm. Additionally there is 360° RPG protection (CLARA-ERA at the front and sides and cage armor at the back) and roof protection against artillery bomblets.
Germany did it again ,another wonderfully designed wat machine. And it's beautiful ,that is a plus and it never hurts ,right? Respect from France ,our German allies really know how to make great peaces of equipment ,they always knew and always will , that's in their blood i guess 🇲🇫🇩🇪✊ Great video as always ,keep going like that it's perfect.
@@uteriel282 the Leclerc MBT is not the best but not the worst either ,it have been upgraded and is pretty capable so I'm good thank you .plus I don't have any room left in my garage ,I couldn't fit a leopard if I wanted to lol.
Why puma IFV has no competition *Forgets about the OP Arjun and its trick shot capabilities and how the Arjun multi purpose tank crew have to go through extensive World of tanks training and Call of Duty no scope championships in Search and destroy on MW2 and not MW3 because they dont like that one* EDIT: I forgive you this time Red lol jk good video as always
Amazing audio. It makes all the people requesting footage speak with the same voice. That's like one of those space age translators you see on the late night infomercials. Amazing by any standard.
One of your only videos that I TOTALLY agree with... Except for the Nammer, and the Brand new Wheel version (of the Nammer called the Eitan). Israel’s own version comes standard with an unmanned 30mm turret and the trophy anti Anti-Tank Missile System built right into the turret from the start. But it’s that 35m monster that I love!!! 5mm doesn’t sound like a lot, but it increases the projectile’s weight from about 300-320 grams to ~550 grams. With a barrel that’s 90 or 95 calibers long!!!! [That’s 3.325 meters]
Puma has one absolute no-go problem: Its electronics sux more than hard! It crashes in the middle of operation without any reason, and it takes an hard reset by pulling the main fuses to reset the system, which could easily take more than 10 minutes...
Over all a good video but i have to mention that you mixed two different variants. Mostly you spoke about the serial puma for the german army with a vehiclecount of (when all are ready) 340. But sometimes you talked and showed specs from the upgraded version called vjtf. When you talked about the great camera coverage you showed a picture of the camerapositions from the vjtf. I build the Puma and some of the footage was filmed at my workplace
so last year I saw an autocanon on a truck on the way to a test, didn't recognize it but this is it, it was the PUMA's autocanon, apperently they want to upgrade our APCs to IFVs with this.
Hey could you do like top 20 best tanks in the world cause you are the only channel which uses real information and not just emotions when talking about tanks
@@komradearti9935 that has more to do with cost and politics rather than the performance of the vehicle. CV-90 is a far more capable system than Puma because of all the different variants BAE offers to fit different nations needs.
@@markschoning5581 I never said it wasnt. However the biggest selling factor of the Lynx and AS21 is cost. They are almost 1-2 million USD less than CV-90. But again number of adopters isnt necessarily indicative of quality or being the best
Nick Graham But you said, that cost were an issue, why the CV-90 was not succesful in the respective bids. But as I said, the Puma is by far the most expensive IFV on this Planet! Far more expensive as the Lynx aswell.
I have an question, it may be an obvious one but hang on with me :) When a company is developing a new military vehicle does it take into consideration the budget of the military which is buying it or not? If yes; to what extent? And doesn't that reduce the effectiveness of the vehicle which the company is developing, or does it depend on if it's for the country's army or if it's for export, or whether the company is private or owned by the government. If no, then how will the army buy it if it's a top notch vehicle? I think this is a lot to answer in a comment so if you made a video about this it will be amazing. Thank you
Usually a government or military force will put out a specification of what they want, and from companies will either try to make something, or modify an existing platform to fulfill these specs. Multiple companies may compete for the contract and their platforms will be put through "trials" which is basically a big competition to see who has the best. After the first trial selected platforms will go back for alterations and they will usually get submitted for a second trial. This can go on for years. Price may or not be specified in the original specifications or negotiated later.
The first guy to reply was right but there’s an occasional instance where a government gives a company an infinite development budget. Designing the f22’s Radar is one example
@@kieraneusden4353 ok then why don't governments put very high specifications on the things they want, and make companies compete very harshly to achieve it, which intern speed up the the improvements of military tech faster than other countries?
@@lycoris7890 remember these contracts are huge, they'll include training packages, supply of parts and future upgrade packages, even down to which nuts and bolts can be replaced by the army or the manufacturer. It gets really petty.
Germany tested the CV90 in 2002. It was rejected because of insufficient mine protection, bad weight-protection ratio and low growth potential. They went on developing the Puma afterwards.
@@scheisseaufpasswort I disagree. While the continuously changing and from the start very demanding requirements indeed delayed the program and increased its cost the end result is the safest IFV in service. There were some far worse AFV development processes that ended in nothing.
Напишу по-русски, т.к. плохо пишу по английски. Я думаю что когда на т 15 армату, или как его ещё называют "Барбарис" установят 57мм орудие с программируемыми фугасами (что возможно, т.к. такой боевой модуль существует уже сейчас) и оперенными подкалиберными снарядами, она станет прямым конкурентом пумы. Активная защита и мощная броня у него в наличии.
Puma certainly has competition. It's all about the specifications of the buyer. If you want a very expensive IFV with high armour that only transports 6 infantry to the field, then go ahead. But if you want cheaper options that transport 8 infantry, has a bigger gun and is smaller and easier to navigate through heavy terrain, you can buy a CV90 for example. You want defense, you buy a Puma. You want logistics, you buy a CV90.
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"There are some things that Puma does better than T-15" - I guess the main advantage here is that, contrary to the T-15, the Puma IFV does actually exist in deployable numbers and is not vaporware.
wonder if that torque value for the T-15 is real. I suspect not.
We should get some into Ukraine and see how good they actually are.
@@ebrim5013 with untrained soldiers basically worthless.
Came to the comments to post this but you beat me to it hahaha
Development of the Puma began many years earlier. So give T-15 some time...
I love how the text to speech software seems to have a German accent lmao
V i d e o e h
Because he literally uses the two most popular german TTS.
That’s cos it’s a popular German TTS
Wait what?
Nope
"The mobility is good enough" - that's an understatement, the Puma was designed to match the speed of the Leopard 2 going full power on rough terrain.
Its supposed to match the torque. Puma is significantly faster.
@@PugilistCactus The Puma's raw speed on on roads is higher, but large tanks like the Leopard 2 are usually faster on rough terrain due to the tracks being bigger. They have more stability and roll easier over the rough stuff. That's why the Puma's mobility is impressive , it's because it can also go over rough stuff as fast as the large tanks.
I read this as mach 2
The puma hits a target in 3 km during driving full speed …….
It has a communication system on board so the driver sees everything that the infantry around him.
This is the most advanced machine in this class.
The newest and best.
ebrc jaguar ? idk it's wheeled but i believe they have the same purpose
@@EreVR-jp8dd The Jaguar is mainly a reconaissance vehicle. They are not in the same class with the Puma.
But yes, the reconnaisance of the Jaguar is also state of the art.
Well Rheinmetalls Lynx is probably as advanced but thats the same company soooo :D
Yes I didn’t know if I should laugh or cry as he said the T-15 would be superior like as the Su-34 is superior to the F-35 right ? 🤣
Well at least the Puma EXISTS and the Bundeswehr got 300 combat ready at any time.
die fanboys immer du hast aber mit beckomen das der bord computer regelmäsig abstürzt und nimand weiß warum? und die maschine minutenlang lamliegt
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Hi RedEffect there's one thing I would like to point out: engine torque doesn't matter. I don't blame you for making the mistake that more 'torquey' engine is better: it is popularized by car journalists who tend to know little about how cars work, and car makers advertise this figure fully knowing it's BS. What really determines how fast a vehicle accelerates or how much load it pulls is torque at the output axis: the tyre or drive sprocket. And this torque is engine torque multiplied by gear ratio and final drive ratio minus drivetrain loss. This means an engine with less torque can make up the deficit by using shorter gear ratios, but that also means they need more engine rpm to make up for the higher reduction which they tend to do.
What's unique about Puma's engine is that it's unusually high revving for a military vehicle, in fact it's higher revving than many passenger cars. The design philosophy is to maximize specific power (kW/L) and power density (kW/kg), so the power pack can be more compact, weighs less, and consumes less fuel (fewer friction/heat loss).
Instead the real problem here is not it has less torque than the Armata or any other military vehicle. It's that higher power density designs tend to have more stress and possibly more maintenance. This is the true reason pickup trucks and large SUVs use big 'torquey' V8 engines instead of a small screaming I4; the same applies to military vehicles too. I don't know how reliable Puma's engine is though, since reliability depends on many factors.
Interesting thx man
finaly someone who understand mechanics, also with more torque and unskilled crew there is greater chance of braking transmission. it is cheaper to produce it like this and I think it is safer to use it :D
I mean, it does kinda screw it when climbing an incline. Gonna suck when the engine gives out when going up a steep mountain valley.
@@PugilistCactus Not really, if the transmission is any good. You could go up steep inclines in much heavier vehicles with less powerful engines and less sophisticated transmissions 80 years ago.
@@PugilistCactus not necessarily. The transmission does it's job and the engine has a more flexible RPM range than most vehicles. If you need to climb a steep hil just shift down a gear or two and drive with a higher RPM. The Puma can do this due to its flexibility. Most other vehicles use truck like engines that don't vary a whole lot in their RPM range.
damn that pronouncation of ´´Schützenpanzer Puma``was relly good
What? He forget to spell the T and E, it wasnt good spelling.
@Bounze wir können das gerne auf Akzent freiem Hochdeutsch klären. Er hat es nicht perfekt ausgesprochen, er nuschelte.
@@kevinpagel2527 Sowohl das e, als auch das t sind bei "Schützenpanzer" stumm.
he almost sounded like hes a german pronouncing it
@@kevinpagel2527 hab ja nicht gesagt das es perfekt war aber es war ganz gut für jemand der kein Deutsch kann
"6 gears in reverse"
French army "WE'LL BUY 1000!"
HAHAHAHAHHAHA
XD
I mean hey, at least you can still shoot in reverse.
So we can roll you over 2 times, 1 in forward an 1 in reverse !
XD
We need a video on the modular, budget, export Puma: The Lynx
Wait, there is one of those?
@@Seth9809 in fact there are two: The KF 31 and the KF 41
Ze Box :v
The Lynx is/are totally different from the Puma. The KF31 is actually a heavily modernized Marder.
Der Kernspalter the KF31 was... it was a proof of concept and based on the Marder... the KF41 is it’s own vehicle... both the Lynx and Puma use the MK30 weapon system but the Lynx has a manned turret
Your chance of being seen at 17 km is low
but never zero
The best part is that horizon line is at most 6.7 km since puma is a tall vehicle. Guaranteed spotting and it can spot helicopters at ranges of 12km.
"Why Puma has no competition"
In its price level that is...
True but it look's sexy right
It's hard to estimate the real price tag on the T15 since it won't be exported any time soon and things in Russia work very differently than in Germany.
Hhutuber since there are only 10 or so they can’t be that cheap
Goran 8.85 million€ without rockets or laser weapon
Hhutuber but I mean the t-14 is 3.7 million let’s say the t-15 is 3 million
You forgot the most important thing about the puma...
It looks incredibly badass!
Honestly most armoured vehicles are looking more and more the same as time goes on. Convergent evolution
@@BeKindToBirds form follows function after all
Hah- NO! It doesn't look "badass"! xD On the contrary - its hull looks fat and overweight with a horrid cartoonish grid on the turret instead of a normal cannon mantlet...
So sorry but Puma is one of the most visually repellent one, out of modern IFVs...
And not to mention that it's so overcomplicated flawed that it - can't be even certified for active service...
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Do one on chinese ifvs. Idk jackshit about those things and their capabilities
Please do a video on t72 m4 cz👍
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If you want, I would like to ask what you think of the b2 centauro of the italian army
2:35 wow! I always wondered how some auto cannons can be "duel feed" and swap between different cartridges on the fly, so it's an open bolt.
I've learned something new today 😁
So did I!
The Bradley Cannons use an entirely different system but are also dual belt feed
open bolt systems make maintenance and cleaning a lot easier as well, as long as you have a proper safety... that's a big problem for open bolt designs, like many german MGs, as the MG3, you have no real safety, as you can't lock the bolt when it's not opened, but an open bolt is the fire ready position
also generally open bolt systems aren't as precise as closed bolt systems but thats for machineguns rather than auto cannons since these are able to reliably fight threats at 3000 meters
@@jolioding_2253 the higher mass of the receiver in the autocannon negates most of the accuracy issues of the open bolt design
0:46 smoke ring LOL
If this thing comes at me, I would literally PUMA pants.
*sigh. ಠ_ಠ
Take my like and get out
Booo lame joke
Bruh
@@werecatpodguski let me guess, dog fail compilations are more your thang, right?
*laughs in efficiency*
Laughs in USSR
Laughs in too short on spareparts XD
This newest cornet i last test on tiger will be on atlet because russia will produce atlet instead of tiger, cornet i meantion is on the link and that cornet destroy from 90deegres to and they called it sniper cornet, at last this cornet will be installed on t14armata ruclips.net/video/Q5ynLv2jKq0/видео.html
German Reich disconnected
@@thebigone9781 oh, yeah, Zvezda
I've been watching their military related videos for quite awhile like drills and training and SU-24s
Last time I was this early, Constantinople still belonged to the Byzantines
An unexpected but welcome comment
Sultan mehmed II took it when you sleep man. 😆
@@GuderII
What's the matter Turkic Muslims! Don't have your own Country? Nor a nation of your own?
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 considering that includes all of the nation's back in the age. This is rather hypocritical coming from you.
@@revis0nedrelived830
Constantinople and Byzantine ( Byzantium ) already exist.
Things the Puma can do better than the T-15: drive, being deployed, not being basically a paper tank, being more than a inventory statistic/meintion in the arsenal. And many more, but no need to beat a dead horse...
mentions anything german
JETZT IST DEIN KOMMENTARBEREICH
UNSERE KOMMENTARBEREICH
DEUTSCHLAND
No black painted broomsticks for machine gun?
Des is doch Kommunismus is des!
Ich wünsch ich wäre ein Huhn,
ich hätt nicht viel zu tun,
ich leg am Tag ein Ei
und Sonntags auch mal zwei!
This comment is ridicules! We germans don‘t have humor
ARJUNK tank commander: Why am i hearing music over the comms?
*Puma antitank missile hits Arjunk MBT*
*COFFIN DANCE MUSIC INTENSIFIES*
Good joke. 😄😄😄
*AND THE MISSILE ONLY SCRATCH HIS SPACE ARMOR*
@@FRFFW nope it hits from above.
Arjunk is going back to the scrap yard from which it came haha!
@@91plm hahahahahahah
@@91plm if arjunk was in war thunder i could pen it with my panther A lol
Me, a soldier who just wants to know what some guy on youtube has to say about our Puma: *clicks on video*
Video: *plays German National Anthem*
Me: *suddenly stands at attention saluting*
Grüße von der Eloka
@@PhilipFry. Grüße aus Bonn nach Frankenberg. Ich hoffe, dass Ihr zeitnah die neuen Unterkünfte beziehen könnt.
@Denis No.
@Denis a MBT has a completely different structure than an APC, just because you take the turret out you have still the engine in the back and all that
@Denis This is mainly because the Puma has more technology in it than the Leopard. The ATGM modules for example, and the laser sensors, and keeping compatibility with all of that means you have to keep all the systems in. Of course you could just take away the turret of a tank and reduce its armor, put the engine at the front and make an APC out of it. This is essentially what the M113 is. But the M113 does not have all the features that the Puma has. No real scouting ability, no ATGM, no 30mm gun, no protection system, no composite armor.
5:44 that face
That was filmed at my workplace
The industry would love to sell hard and soft kill protection systems for the german Leopard 2 tanks, but you know... budget.
The Leo. 2 could get the thropy APS. It´s already in the making.
@@Tankliker yeah they are curently testing it, the same APS as one the Merkava.
The budged of the german military is more than adequate. Look where it stands in the world, relative to soldiers fielded. We could accomplish so much if we downsized bureaucracy and stopped throwing the money out the window, having corruption scandals and having shitty ministers of defense back to back for decades.
@Apple Tek Support What you mean is a warmongering budget. There is a distinct difference. All three of these nations cripple their civil progress for excessive military spending. Look at how much money Germoney spends for each active soldier, then compare it to countries within a margin of reason, like France, the UK etc. Lack of funding is not our problem.
Wobbegong its warmongering if you are the top spender.
Germany’s position as the shield of europe means it SHOULD invest more for the security of the EU
Update, the Puma is in War Thunder now.
And it's quite OP
where?
@@944Tomcat In the game War Thunder.
7:15 in real combat the units deployed by a puma would carry Anti-tank weapons and adapt their loadout to the situation (offense, defense etc. A.e. in defense the team also has one engineer to erect barricades) keeping them versatile.
So these aren't German soldier it looks like American
What I miss in the video is that the puma isn't there to be used against tanks but to support the soldiers against light armour vehicles and personnel the units deployed by the puma have good enough anto tank weapons to destroy tanks
Damn M8, your pronunciation of "Schützenpanzer" was flawless. Gute Arbeit!
`Fun Fact` The 6 reverse gears are added, bc we want to sell the tank to other NATO members. This includes France
the firstt time i ever watched red effect, when he said fire control system i thought it meant when the engines caught on fire and it needs to be extinguished. im dumb
To be honest if I didn't know better I'd have assumed the same thing.
We all have been there man
Well that's not really that much of a stretch tbf! And we are only human at the end of the day
@@anotherrandomtexan25 you may be human but I'm not. I atleast now the names of my internal component groups.
@@Tankliker I have a rival I see...
2:50 Forgotten Weapons :D
I knew it looked like Ian's hands
@RedEffect as a result of this great video, the comment section is now property of the BRD (federal republic germany). We thank a lot😂
This IFV video series should go on. I would love to see about the BMP-3, the swedish CV-90 and Bradley.
Actually, the T-15 beats the Puma with it's ATGM system, where both Commander & gunner can fire two missiles at the same time and slightly with front hull protection. The amount of tourque is rather trivial as long as it fits into the combined arms role. Which is the case with the newer Leopard 2 models, as the MBTs got heavier all along. When the Puma was developed/designed, this was a "must have requirement" for the engineers from the beginning.
Edit: I think the video was a little bit too quiet this time, I had to increase volume pretty hard.
I think the Puma wins actually as.....its in service.
The dual fire ATGM's of the T-15 is an awesome system but if the missile can't see the target or gets jammed (due to MUSS) it wont help too much. But I guess it is not much different for the T-15 since it has an APS so both will have trouble hitting each other with ATGM's.
@@FireLord459 This is no F&F?
@@synthilein Maybe I'm wrong but with F&F do you mean Fire and Forget? If so I don't see the point you're making.
Love the BMP series.
Do one on the cv90!
the premium rank 6 one
@@m1a1abrams3 OR! The real one?!?! 😅
i ve to disagree with the torque comparison, horse power is horse power. the Puma has an high rpm engine which allows it to use a different gearing.
There is literally a dragrace between an abrams, Bradley, Fuchs and a puma. 🥇Fuchs🥈Puma🥉Abrams and Last the Bradley
The Armata was an idea that was tossed from the drawing board across the room and hit the rim of the waste basket .....
Before this video the only thing I really knew about the Puma was that it's absolutely OP in War Thunder.
5:44 Puma gun laughs at camera (smiley face). :D
Love your videos. You should make a video about the CV90 Platform, especially with the upcoming MKIV overhaul.
the weazel is also quite nice as you can stuf 2 of em in a helicopter and paradrop them are fast and can even be used in the dessert because of it's relative low weight.
also has a lot of optional upgrades as antitank systems and mortars.
Next could be cv 90
Make a video of the Swedish CV90 (STRF90)
I love the intro music: "Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser, ...."
i think he wanted to use the german national anthem. They use the same melody
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles
Du bist ja höchstwahrscheinlich ein Östereicher. Wie würdest du Großdeutschland finden?
@@julian281198 that's Germanic bully humour, you anglo.
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Vehicles like the T14-15 need to be considered technology demonstrators / prototypes and not combat vehicles, because they're not in production and AFAIK not deployed to combat units.
Yes we see in Ukraine... They are just Show models for Putin... But the Puma is real
This was really comprehensive and informative with tecnical data that make sense. The narrater speak in such a way that one can follow exactly what is meant to say. No warm patato in the mouth accent and the video clip shows exactly what is under discussion. No B.S and rethoric nonsense. Very professional. Thanx so much.
intro killed me lmao
RIP
The Puma with it's latest configuration and armor setup is still significantly lighter than the T-15 in it's base setup. It doesn't require that much power. It's also an easier overall build, which is less prone to issues, and weighing cost, efficiency and production, on the long run the Puma is a far more profitable long term investment than the T-15.
The T-15 isn't even a thing, honestly i don't understand how RedEffect could ever believe that it was a serious program. The entire armata program has been clearly dead since at least 2018-2019. I mean they didn't have enough money to upgrade the T-90 to T-90M and stated that it was unnecessary to upgrade the T-90 because the T-72B3M was good enough
The Problem with T14/15 is that they are so expensive in production, hence why they are only build in small numbers
Nah, they are Russian made. Most likely overcrowded with problems, even the PUMA still has, and tons more. The Russians are currently not able to surpass any western powers regarding military technology. That should not sound racist in any way, but it is an dictatorship/"communism". Everyone is corrupt and the production highly depends on bribe money and persons in charge. Complicated, highly advanced technology is nothing Russia knows something about or can produce on a greater scale, simply put. That is the main reason they still use realiable but totally outdated T-72s, T-80s (even as BVM) and T-90s. Their MBTs are as heavy as German specialised IFV (the PUMA is much more than "only" an IFV).
In Ukraine, you see the full problem of Russian military: Not enough planning and bribe money. Catastrophic planning, basically no logistic making thousands of armored vehicles heavy road blocks and a troop morale that cannot even be strengthened by Russian generals - of which they have lost almost a fifth total.
Believe me or not, Russia or more likely Putin, has totally overrated its own military.
And breaks down during Parades....
well so is the puma, isn't it the most expensive tank of the world?
@@mr_bischof1406 the Puma is about 17 Mio Euros, i doubt the T15 is much more expensive...
@@laschagga8886why openly bullshit like that ?
Das Video bei Minute zwei ist falsch,es zeigt air burst Munition wie sie zum Beispiel vom 40 mm Granatwerfer verwendet wird, also mit Splitter Wirkung seitlich zur Flugbahn.
Die Splitter der MK30 AHEAD wirken nur nach vorne, wie eine Schrotladung.
Der Zündzeitpunk (Entfernung zum Ziel) bestimmt die Grösse der Garbe.
The T-15 isn't the best IFV because it is WAY to heavy and large, plus I'm willing to guess they cost a lot compared to most other IFVs. The T-15 is as big/heavy as some modern MBTs. So now crossing bridges and transporting the T-15 is going to be a a huge issue when compared to other IFVs.
It also doesn't exist so that is a big -
I just love the comedically tiny barrel inside of the giant outer barrel cage or whatever you want to call it. Also this thing is the goat in War Thunder, absolutly love it.
Finally! After this, you'll be making videos about other IFVs as well! 😁
Just a little addition concerning the pumas protection. In its combat configuration passive armor at the front, the sides and the turret provides protection against 30mm. In the back there is still armor against 14,5mm. Additionally there is 360° RPG protection (CLARA-ERA at the front and sides and cage armor at the back) and roof protection against artillery bomblets.
Germany did it again ,another wonderfully designed wat machine.
And it's beautiful ,that is a plus and it never hurts ,right? Respect from France ,our German allies really know how to make great peaces of equipment ,they always knew and always will , that's in their blood i guess 🇲🇫🇩🇪✊
Great video as always ,keep going like that it's perfect.
@@arvedludwig3584yes , I hope so .and let's hope the SCAF is a success as well .
@@valegendre
well you can always buy some pumas or leopards from us to keep your stock up until you got some working modern tanks yourself.
@@uteriel282 the Leclerc MBT is not the best but not the worst either ,it have been upgraded and is pretty capable so I'm good thank you .plus I don't have any room left in my garage ,I couldn't fit a leopard if I wanted to lol.
I have shares from Rheinmetall. From the war they gained 85%. This shows how many countries even the US trust in these weapons.
Why puma IFV has no competition
*Forgets about the OP Arjun and its trick shot capabilities and how the Arjun multi purpose tank crew have to go through extensive World of tanks training and Call of Duty no scope championships in Search and destroy on MW2 and not MW3 because they dont like that one*
EDIT: I forgive you this time Red lol jk good video as always
can you please stop saying trash about arjun
God mate your going to get a lot of nationalist Indians who can’t take a joke commenting
Rudra Pratap it is a bad tank
@@MrTangolizard i cant take a joke anymore because i am hearing it from months
@@MrTangolizard by just watching a biased video you can't tell everything about a tank
Amazing audio. It makes all the people requesting footage speak with the same voice. That's like one of those space age translators you see on the late night infomercials. Amazing by any standard.
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit!
One of your only videos that I TOTALLY agree with...
Except for the Nammer, and the Brand new Wheel version (of the Nammer called the Eitan).
Israel’s own version comes standard with an unmanned 30mm turret and the trophy anti Anti-Tank Missile System built right into the turret from the start.
But it’s that 35m monster that I love!!! 5mm doesn’t sound like a lot, but it increases the projectile’s weight from about 300-320 grams to ~550 grams. With a barrel that’s 90 or 95 calibers long!!!! [That’s 3.325 meters]
Do the CV-90 IFV next please
Surely with the CV90-120 model
@@jungfer27 The CV90-120 isn't used by anyone and it isn't an IFV
Germany sure love naming their tanks/ifv with big cats.
Maus tho...
Come on Gaijin. Add the upgraded Puma to WT along with the BMPT 72 Terminator
Puma has one absolute no-go problem: Its electronics sux more than hard! It crashes in the middle of operation without any reason, and it takes an hard reset by pulling the main fuses to reset the system, which could easily take more than 10 minutes...
Now do a video on the Cv90 variants
Is this guy an engineer in a famous defence firm? He knows so much!
Tankheads just be like that
Awesome video. Can you please do a video on Sweden's Combat Vehicle 90 some time? It looks so sexy.
do a video about the CV90
have you heard about the german scout vehicle Fennek? that's an amazing one as well
How about the old Luchs...
@@johnny5wd567 the friend of my mother lived to complain about its gun and how useless it became after grand scale usage of thermal camera systems.
Over all a good video but i have to mention that you mixed two different variants. Mostly you spoke about the serial puma for the german army with a vehiclecount of (when all are ready) 340. But sometimes you talked and showed specs from the upgraded version called vjtf. When you talked about the great camera coverage you showed a picture of the camerapositions from the vjtf. I build the Puma and some of the footage was filmed at my workplace
Would be interesting to hear about the CV9040/30 There are aa few in europe at this time. Specially its winter capabilety.
THANK YOU.. PLEASE CONTINUE.. YOU DO GREAT WORK
You should do the CV90 next
Now the Puma is gonna come to WT
War Thunder needs to give airburst to the PUMA stat! I am sick of getting destroyed by A-10 Warthog spam at the moment!
They listened to you 😅
@@davidandre8029 I am shook! But lets be honest many and I mean MANY fans must have been complaining for the snail to listen!
so last year I saw an autocanon on a truck on the way to a test, didn't recognize it but this is it, it was the PUMA's autocanon, apperently they want to upgrade our APCs to IFVs with this.
CV-90 FTW
5:39 I like the little smiley face they put on that
Bruh, can't wait till they add it on their tech tree.
CV90 next please
Could you do a video about Swedish tanks and IFVs?
lol i love that muzzle plug
Do a vid about the Swedish CV90! 😁
Hey could you do like top 20 best tanks in the world cause you are the only channel which uses real information and not just emotions when talking about tanks
5:49 look at that smiling face
Funny how your video on the puma was sponsored by WT and the puma was recently added with this update
so it's more expensive than a cv90, cant mount as big guns, doesent use a commersial engine, carries fewer troops, heavier and theres fewer of them
cv90 is crap
@@manu-pd1pj In what way?
Red Effect: Puma IFV has no competition
CV-90 series: why don't you take a seat son.
@@komradearti9935 that has more to do with cost and politics rather than the performance of the vehicle. CV-90 is a far more capable system than Puma because of all the different variants BAE offers to fit different nations needs.
Nick Graham
The Puma is far more expensive than any variant of the CV-90 series!
@@markschoning5581 I never said it wasnt. However the biggest selling factor of the Lynx and AS21 is cost. They are almost 1-2 million USD less than CV-90. But again number of adopters isnt necessarily indicative of quality or being the best
Nick Graham
But you said, that cost were an issue, why the CV-90 was not succesful in the respective bids. But as I said, the Puma is by far the most expensive IFV on this Planet! Far more expensive as the Lynx aswell.
@@markschoning5581 no i said cost was the issue that CV-90 was dropped in favor of Lynx and AS21.
I have an question, it may be an obvious one but hang on with me :)
When a company is developing a new military vehicle does it take into consideration the budget of the military which is buying it or not? If yes; to what extent? And doesn't that reduce the effectiveness of the vehicle which the company is developing, or does it depend on if it's for the country's army or if it's for export, or whether the company is private or owned by the government.
If no, then how will the army buy it if it's a top notch vehicle?
I think this is a lot to answer in a comment so if you made a video about this it will be amazing. Thank you
Usually a government or military force will put out a specification of what they want, and from companies will either try to make something, or modify an existing platform to fulfill these specs. Multiple companies may compete for the contract and their platforms will be put through "trials" which is basically a big competition to see who has the best. After the first trial selected platforms will go back for alterations and they will usually get submitted for a second trial. This can go on for years. Price may or not be specified in the original specifications or negotiated later.
The first guy to reply was right but there’s an occasional instance where a government gives a company an infinite development budget. Designing the f22’s Radar is one example
@@kieraneusden4353 ok then why don't governments put very high specifications on the things they want, and make companies compete very harshly to achieve it, which intern speed up the the improvements of military tech faster than other countries?
@@skellysux interesting
@@lycoris7890 remember these contracts are huge, they'll include training packages, supply of parts and future upgrade packages, even down to which nuts and bolts can be replaced by the army or the manufacturer. It gets really petty.
Now they Leopard has become a laser dec System and theres also a new version of the puma
I think the swedish Cv90 can Compete with the puma! :D
it would outcompete the puma. the puma has many many technical problems is not really any combat ready. I know people who served on these.
Germany tested the CV90 in 2002. It was rejected because of insufficient mine protection, bad weight-protection ratio and low growth potential. They went on developing the Puma afterwards.
@@jonny2954 and the development was a total desaster
@@scheisseaufpasswort I disagree. While the continuously changing and from the start very demanding requirements indeed delayed the program and increased its cost the end result is the safest IFV in service. There were some far worse AFV development processes that ended in nothing.
Напишу по-русски, т.к. плохо пишу по английски. Я думаю что когда на т 15 армату, или как его ещё называют "Барбарис" установят 57мм орудие с программируемыми фугасами (что возможно, т.к. такой боевой модуль существует уже сейчас) и оперенными подкалиберными снарядами, она станет прямым конкурентом пумы. Активная защита и мощная броня у него в наличии.
The T15 doesn't exist and never will.
Puma certainly has competition. It's all about the specifications of the buyer. If you want a very expensive IFV with high armour that only transports 6 infantry to the field, then go ahead. But if you want cheaper options that transport 8 infantry, has a bigger gun and is smaller and easier to navigate through heavy terrain, you can buy a CV90 for example. You want defense, you buy a Puma. You want logistics, you buy a CV90.
Oooh... video on the boxer, maybe? :)
Many countries are using it, some in special configurations
Puma has no competition? *Dude never heard of Adidas*
In Germany we call it Flachwitz.
Mich hats gekriegt 🤣
😂😂😂
Puma had a production run... that's why it's better than T15 Armata... all 3 of them...
When are you going to cover prototytpe tanks? (Obj. 477, 490, MBT 70, Vck. MBT, Leone...)
He already did a video about the T-14 Armata...
@@louisr6560 the burn XD
MBT/KPz 70 would be great, way ahead of its time
PUMA!!!! Ausgesheischnet!!! Prima! Sehr gut! Danke!
so we are just not gonna mention any of the CV 90 variant IFVs?
Excellent video. Thanks