HAPPY 6TH ANNIVERSARY LOONA! to celebrate let’s look back 6 years to this exact time in loona’s career. 2 quick notes: just to remind everyone kim sunhye, former or i think current blockberry ceo actually (?) has been referred to as esther i believe over the years so they are the same person if you ever see her korean name in the wild. also the accidental daisy shade 💀 she was just reporting on normal industry tactics but my phrasing seemed like i was specifically coming after her, i hope it comes across that i was shading the kpop industry as a whole for that practice - daisy been through enough as is enjoy
i'd like to give some insight as a lavebit (ladies' code and loona fan) that's been a fan of both groups since 2017. compared to orbits, there aren't a lot of lavelys, so it's understandable why whenever lavelys spoke about ladies' code's mistreatment, orbits had no idea of it. for any orbit reading this that doesn't know, ladies' code went through a lot of the same mistreatments loona did (being deprived of food, having awful promotion, not getting paid). but there's something else that i feel a lot of orbits are unaware of, and that's that while polaris and bbc were "separate" if we look at the timeline of things, it's appears that they were still operating as one, just under different titles. during ladies' code's 2.5 year hiatus after the healing trilogy was dropped, loona was active the entire time. and when laco finally came back, guess whose 1 year long hiatus started? i know this series hasn't covered that timeline yet, so i won't say too much, but years ago a lavely looked at the credits of both loona and ladies' code's albums, and there were matching names that confirmed that the groups did share staff. this could explain why the groups were not active at the same time, because in my personal opinion it would make sense that polaris/bbc would want to do things as cheaply as possible (which is probably why they used in-house producers for ladies' code's 2019 album). i'm not sure if anyone else feels this way, but i've always thought polaris/bbc did not want loonacode to interact. yes, there's been interactions but rarely. ladies' code could've been proper seniors but i really do feel they were intentionally robbed of that. anyways, i could go on but i'll leave it at that. watching this has been a crazy reminder of what i've witnessed not just as an orbit but a lavely too. looking forward to the next part!
yes! they were literally one thing, bbc was just a spinoff name to try to whitewash ilkwang group's entertainment wing after everything that happened with ladies' code, clara, and lee kyu tae's fraud. hyunjin trained at polaris before bbc existed, executives for the whole group are all the same family, same building, etc.
This is very eye opening and I started to look up some things about the group, it is horrible that their manager was responsible for the deaths of EunB and Rise. Its strange that LC's last album was called "set me free" and loona's last album was called "flip that" what a coincidence both have the concepts of freedom only for it to be their last albums
@artmsangel it is a crazy coincidence, and if the "freesm" album had been released that would've been even crazier. sojung was the one to name the song "set me free" so maybe she was hinting at finally being free from that hell hole (the end of the music video also clearly expresses that too lol)
thank you for the choerry statement, she genuinely did feel like she was in a weird area with loona, getting enough lines in their songs but for some reason not being as popular as the underutilized members, and she felt dismissed for members who were more popular or more disregarded by fans when you compare to the underutilized members. she is my ult bias because of her talent and versatility but orbits always have glossed over her, like even oec akgaes only tweeted about lip and jinsoul for example.
Oh GOD! The “it’s so over/we’re so back” phase of Loona was so scary when it was going on. But now I look back at that time with fond memories. Thanks for going down memory lane for the orbits 😂
lmfao the "troll orbits" section of this video reminds me of when an irl friend (who was also a kpop fan, but not an orbit) asked me if vivi was really mexican and if her last name was really rodriguez, because she had seen that going around on twitter. LMAOOOOO many such cases
glad you had a part dedicated towards jaden as a person because i've been seeing one too many orbits recently telling others that how they felt towards him didn't matter, that if artms were able to work with him again then everything must be fine. it's rlly been rubbing me the wrong way as, like you've talked about, jaden isn't exactly all that innocent and we shouldn't just all of sudden forget what he contributed to
yeah for sure, the part they leave out when they say that five of them chose to work with him again is that seven of them chose not to, and the girls in artms include some of jadens clear favourites who we know received more of his attention due to debuting earlier when there was more budget and less time restraints. anyway some of the stories are just objectively disturbing such as jinsoul being made to do a dangerous underwater stunt that left her with a fear of being underwater, you can't just say that's the norm in the industry he is still responsible for the harm he caused just as much as bbc is
@@katdeasyyplease stop the misinformation, the director in charge of ordering the stunt was the mv director and when they realized it would be too risky for jinsoul to do it because of the accident but couldn’t push back shooting the mv their A&R ryu jiin (Jaden’s partner at the time) stepped in to do the scene instead. What happened to jinsoul on set was an unfortunate accident that everyone on site took care of to make sure jinsoul would be safe in the end. Jiin has been very open about it in her interview with monotree.
It's really troubling, and I'm worried how these people would react to abuse victims who go back to their abusers (partners, family, friends, coworkers, etc).
@@malektaj5091 Okay, I agree with you there. That story about Jinsoul was definitely overblown I’ll give you that BUT still does not negate the fact that only the 5/12 members signed a contract with Jaden’s label. Haseul in particular, was severely overlooked and put on the back burner because Jaden found her “boring” (HIS words, btw) and had no idea what to do with her. Granted it’s the girls choice to do what makes them happy after everything they’ve been through, i think it’s perfectly reasonable for Orbits to side-eye Jaden for the questionable things he has said and done.
@@cmfymedia im so glad another orbit redirected me to this video because i heard from multiple other videos and people that because artms is under jaden.. he didnt partake in any of the abuse and tnay he was just apart of the lore. I literally had 0 idea he was involved 😭 im so glad this was posted is my point
omg i don't want to be dramatic but when i heard the beginning of butterfly start to play i teared up a little. that song means so much to me. thanks for the video!!
i've been an orbit since jinsoul's debut and i'm glad i wasn't really apart of orbitwt when hi high was out; i got to avoid the negativity. i loved ++ from start to end, i had been a kpop fan a couple years at that point but it was the first album i ever bought :') i have nothing but good memories of that era
I was and I personally don't remember negativity beyond the anger at the line distribution. As a haseul fan it was bittersweet, but not bc of the music!
BRUH i was a predebut orbit and this took me back so much. its meaning me so emotional as I was in high school when all of this came down. and I just went to see artms yesterday literally 6 years with loona. it still brings me to tears what happened to them. I'm so happy they're doing so much better.
That furry is Loona, a character of the animated series Helluva Boss by VivziePop, it's on youtube but it's not appropriate for all ages lol. There's a quite popular meme on orbitwt where a Helluva Boss fan made a fanart of Loona (the furry) in mexican clothes because #Loona_in_mexico was trending when Loona (the group) announced their tour back in 2021, and someonequoted the fanart saying "This is not about you"
oh yeah i remember them posting furry porn under #loonafanart. and then when orbits were like "you can have the tag, we'll use a different one", they went out of their way to also post porn under the new tag
i missed you queen i lowkey thought you might quit this project 😭 thank you for your work!! it’s especially essential for someone like me- a baby post-disbandment orbit
I'm really happy you dedicated a whole section to Jaden because i personally never really wanted to dabble in the discourse myself but seeing it put in this perspective rlly helped me understand how everyone feels on the topic and why the antis have felt this way for so long. Honestly it really is sad how a lot of the behavior of creatives in the industry is systemic and just looked past but it really should be called out when it needs to. I rlly realized this especially after watching the Popstar Academy documentary and seeing how much discourse there was around the girls when it was so clear that it was all the execs' faults for putting a bunch of adolescents in an extremely vulnerable state of mind.
@@emmie1973 every single thing mentioned has been debunked either 3-4 years ago or last year. We really don't care tho knowing that all of artms loves him the others don't matter
@KarmaWings how are you gonna invalidate how the other members feel about him just cause some members joined him and forgave him... at the end of the day you don't know this man and you don't know these girls either. Like idk as much as yall love to praise this man for his involvement in the creation of loona, yall love to omit him from any kind of blame/responsibility when it comes to the mistreatment and abuse the loona members went thru.
The end of the idealized years is such an accurate way of putting it. Anyone who was around predebut remembers the bbc stanning lol great video, glad this history is recorded 🙏
Thank you for talking about the Odd Eye Circle akgaes! I was usually the only one in comments defending the 1/3 unit against those AKgaes when OEC's album made its rounds during promotions. They were always the loudest ones to shout on about how 'boring' 1/3 is and how 'OEC' should just be it's own group because of 1/3 being 'underwhelming' and it really got to me. I don't see it much anymore but wouldn't be surprised if it's still there with Loosemble and ARTMD. No one ever seemed to call them (OEC akgaes) out and I feel seen now so thank you lol
Something awesome about Orbits who work to archive and make BBC copies of songs accessible without crossing picket lines is that they often go in and re-filter, remaster, or clean up the songs. When Butterfly came out, I was very frustrated because the high end seemed to intentionally be far louder than the rest of the song, and akin to many TXT tracks, there was so much squeaking and notes so high they are barely in range for humans to hear- which, as someone with bad misophonia, causes me severe pain. I listened to the song when it dropped and had to avoid it because of how severe of a migraine trigger it was, but the moment Orbits started their own distribution, it's like these accounts across the world collectively realized this and removed a bunch of that high end and some of the SFX. The copy on my SD card is safe to play with headphones and in my car and now I can actually appreciate how dang cool that song is. I love weird music and listen to a lot of hardnoise and grindcore, but many of those bands have copies of their tracks that are filtered in a more accessible way for that very reason
@@siennahartle9069 he's really not, korea's birth rate is probably declining significantly because of all the queer awakenings (i mean have you seen sohyun?) i joke about it but it's partially true, before loona i thought i was a straight man, and now i'm a wavbit, and also neither of those things
For anybody wondering for LoonaTheBallad (La Maison) Jinsoul confirmed to fans that those snippets of Crystal, Hyper and Bliss Ballad were never full songs to begin with, they were just super rushed snippets that never got anywhere. JJ never deleted the album as he has confirmed that he is willing to bring it back at the right place and time. JinSoul even said that Hyper Ballad is close to being complete. As for who’s voices are on the OG snippets Crystal Ballad: GoWon (confirmed by her) and HeeJin Hyper Ballad: KimLip, Choerry, Yves and (I think) HyeJu/ Olivia Hye Bliss Ballad: Yves and Chuu You can actually find Crystal Ballad (which is now Named Blooming Moon) all over RUclips Performed at HaSeul small theater concert performed By Members HaSeul and HeeJin (who are now in the company Modhaus as a new group called ARTMS with members KimLip, JinSoul and Choerry) Also as for the blog posts, JJ has a very unique way of speaking which is usually very misunderstood by lots of people.
About this, the ARTMS girls also said this year that they don't really want to release these songs as 5. It's supposed to be special, and they want to explore new music, so they said loonatheballad would just stay in the past as a memory for us Orbits. Because of that, i don't think they are releasing these songs anytime soon.
@@minolino2176 I do remember them saying they wanted to explore new music. Even if they won’t release them as ARTMS, JJ and the girls are likely still working on the songs, Crystal Ballad is complete and has been performed by HeeJin and HaSeul like I said before. I do think they will release them on a reunion album, as I do agree that it was a special OT12 thing, but evidence does show that they wanna dive back into their Loona musical identity too (KimLip stated) So I have faith in this revival (same with Burn :)
4:24 needed a trigger/jumpscare warning, just fyi. That is a very touchy subject with most orbits and it's caused a lot of stress over the years to those affected. 🙏🏾
Thank you for the amazing video! Also: Never apologise for your ADHD (diagnosis). I hope you get the guidance you need and deserve. I have ADD and I understand you so much on the "sorry for the long gaps in-between videos" thing. You're def not struggling alone, so def do NOT ever feel bad for it, okay? We will patiently wait until a next video is ready
i remember the orbit name release because the whole timeline was like “the name better not be loonatic” and then bbc delayed the release@)$)$)$ its ok tho bc orbit is better
i think it's important to add that jadens debuting of minors with inappropriate concepts is still ongoing in modhaus with triples. modhaus received backlash 6 a younger member was revealed, yet he kept debuting them, and they kept getting younger. theres really no defence.
26:10 Hi High was the first song I ever listened to from loona, and it’s probably still my favorite to this day. I would say it’s probably on my list of best songs of all time, and while a part of that is from the backstory behind the song and the YEARS leading up to its release, it itself is an AMAZING song that rly deserves its flowers
felt comeback just in time for bbc's final collapse! i always have a lot of comments on these videos (with timetamps): 2:29 to clarify: streaming on any major platform, no matter what name it's uploaded under, benefits the entity that owns the rights to the music. not much, like less than a tenth of a cent per stream (even less on spotify and apple music, i make almost nothing from them), but it doesn't matter if you're listening to a re-uploaded track under someone else's name, it's the same either way. it also doesn't really matter, bbc collapsed, it's just a couple of accountants now, and the executives are facing prison time. 54:54 "orbits are liars" is such a fantastic legacy imho, and wavs are carrying it on (see: nakyoung at the olympics). also Orrery is pronounced like "or-r-ee", or "or-ruh-ree" 1:09:40 who do i contact about my compensation? 🦈 also defintely gotta shout out to litell_johnn, bluebettacreative, everyone at teamsubbits, and the other memers and theorists like zerocolors, loonian, longlost, blackwhite, yeojinace, sevenbirds, girlsof ourmonth, moonbit, daebak jjang, sua's sinb... there were so many 1:51:10 in their defense, there were only like three photos total of jj on the internet at that time, and in at least one of them he was kinda cute. 1:59:00 i think that's just a misunderstanding about how the process works. he probably had tentative lyrics, demos, maybe a rough track with guide vocals. definitely didn't only have teasers, no one would ever record teasers for songs that weren't written yet. so to him, he deleted the foundation for the album, and a lot of orbits took what jinsoul said to mean that he didn't actually have anything to delete. that whole first part up until when a singer enters the studio is really where the bulk of the work happens. 2:23:20 i don't think this is how most jj defenders feel about it. he definitely did, or at least had a hand in doing, some screwed up stuff. he's also clearly capable of learning (tripleS's food budget is around $22k USD/month). i really believe the reason some members chose not to join ARTMS is because they felt uneasy about working with him again, but also, 5 members DID join MH and told us on fab/fromm to trust them, so 🤷♀i think the jj issue is ambiguous. the guy is fallible. anyway i skipped a few minutes there because it feels like being sucked into a twitter debate with teenage stans who see everything in absolutes, and also because that whole "is jj the devil or is he god or is he a guy who did some good things and some bad things" discussion really isn't relevant anymore, except in that some orbits from that era feel a little iffy about artms sometimes.
i feel like the whole problem is trying to pursue the "the rest 7 members feel uncomfy/hate jaden so they didn't sign with mh" only ends up either 1. painting the artms members as horrible people who signed with the main perpetrator of their mistreatment at bbc, or 2. undermining/invalidating the abuse and mistreatment artms went through for said reason. i REALLY hope we can drop this argument once for all because in the past year, the other non artms members have either teased him or mentioned him very positively. whatever the fandom choose to feel about that man is up to each of your own, but it's just very questionable to try speak for the mistreatment the girls went through as outsiders. and if you want to know the examples: 1. chuu mentioned last year that she met jaden at heejin's solo showcase, then directly thanked him for giving her her iconic stage name and solo debut song 2. yves mentioned when she was preparing for her solo redebut, she called jaden and he cried with her on the phone as she told him how scared and nervous she was feeling. and similar to haseul, she also mentioned that jaden was one of the main reasons she was able to debut as a loona member 3. hyunjin has mentioned him on multiple occasions on fab/fromm, mainly teasing him (calling him dumok-nim etc, as the artms members love to call him) 4. hyeju told an orbit during a fansign that she's watched the artms+jaden interview on their official channel, and jokingly said about how the hi high lyrics behind 'annoyed' her
@@mudaero oh, i know all the examples (i'm addicted to the fromm translation threads, and even pay for yves's fromm lmao). i should've been clearer in that sentence, i don't mean i think they avoided MH because they're worried about abusive behavior from JJ, just that they felt uneasy for one reason or another. i also phrased it a little awkwardly because i strongly disagree some of the opinions in the video, but didn't want to be too confrontational because there are some anti-jj extremists lingering around, and felt's opinion itself really lacks nuance (making a moral judgement based on probable past actions, rather than current character). i think they all had various reasons for not going to MH, including wanting to be an indie idol, avoiding giving BBC more ammunition for lawsuits, wanting more lines/screentime, wanting to experiment with their personal styles, etc. there's a lot that went into all of their decisions, so i didn't meant to imply it was purely based on fear of dieting or anything. one thing that really sticks with me is how frequently the members (especially hyunjin) asked us to trust them through the lawsuit era, and i 100% do. they each made the best decision for themselves at the time, and i'm positive they thought things through really well. and yeah, i also just want the speculation about JJ to end though, it's been years, i'm exhausted 😭
they are always so many new things to learn about loona even if you stanned them since debut lol. btw love you and your vid! What is your fav loona song of all time?
The “cat” is actually a character on the web show named Helluva Boss! Her name IS Loona, which is why she pops up when you try to search for just Loona! Also, thanks so much for doing this. I’ve been intensely curious about the history behind Loona, and I genuinely appreciate all your hard work.
@@gunwookiehrt copying my other comment: "loonatheshark was a middle-aged westerner who regularly traveled to korea to be creepy around the members. he also had a twitter account where he was basically just super racist, and said a lot of inappropriate things about all the members, even including yeojin."
OMGGGG I WAS PUTTING TOGETHER A POWERPOINT OF LOONA FOR SOME NON KPOP FRIENDS AND UR FIRST PART WAS SUCH A BIG PART OF MY RESEARCH, THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK
honestly like say what you will about jaden jeong, yes hes a very prominent figure to loonas success but that doesn't excuse him from his part of the exploitation of the loona members. the whole tw section really just reminded me as to why it why people love to credit him with only the positives of how loona came to be the group it is. like you have to acknowledge both sides of him and don't glorify him as you said.
I just wanted to share my support bc I'm not a loona stan but i loved your first video and this video aswell, very good rundown on the history of this group! Edit: and your hair is amazing
thank you for this serie ive been staning loona since PTT era and this is just so well explained and puts so much into a different perspective. cant wait for the third part
Loona is basically the last remanent of the 2nd and 3rd gen Mid tier girl group era. groups that got 1 or 2 wins and had much more cultural influence then financial success. case and point Lovelyz(ironic I know)
the orbit lie i came out during the peak of orbit troll twt brainrot era was that gowon was bts suga's cousin and i said it again recently during looble's one of a kind era and people deadass believed it again and went to check them out afterwards, so yeah, it still works lmaoo
I’m glad you credit the DIA fans for the fancam spam genesis and WJSN fans for originating the lesbian billionaires tweets, that’s herstory! The one thing I’ll say is that I’m very ambivalent towards JJ. I enjoy his work but I don’t think he’s infallible, also I think he puts his foot in his mouth sometimes and phrases things weird, but that could be translation issues! Anyway the one thing is that didn’t JJ give Yves her food? You can argue that he shouldn’t have posted about it (which I would agree with lol, not to be the post police but…) but I’m pretty sure it’s confirmed that he didn’t confiscate it, he gave it to her
HAPPY 6TH ANNIVERSARY LOONA! to celebrate let’s look back 6 years to this exact time in loona’s career.
2 quick notes:
just to remind everyone kim sunhye, former or i think current blockberry ceo actually (?) has been referred to as esther i believe over the years so they are the same person if you ever see her korean name in the wild.
also the accidental daisy shade 💀 she was just reporting on normal industry tactics but my phrasing seemed like i was specifically coming after her, i hope it comes across that i was shading the kpop industry as a whole for that practice - daisy been through enough as is
enjoy
The ‘cat’ name is Luna, and it’s a character from an animated series called Helluva Boss. I’m guessing she appears because her name is Luna?
YAYYYYYYYY FELT COMEBACK, LOOSEMBLE DROPPED THE TEASERS FOR THEIR COMEBACK, BBC EXEC GOING TO JAIL...this is a great day, i'm being well fed ✨👀
YAY HOORAY
It was a necessary video 💗
@@M4ttch4 we all cheered
MENTIONING HOW EDITS BECAME “FANCAMS” IN OTHER FANDOMS THANK YOU IT WAS SO CONFUSING AT THE TIME😭
i'd like to give some insight as a lavebit (ladies' code and loona fan) that's been a fan of both groups since 2017. compared to orbits, there aren't a lot of lavelys, so it's understandable why whenever lavelys spoke about ladies' code's mistreatment, orbits had no idea of it. for any orbit reading this that doesn't know, ladies' code went through a lot of the same mistreatments loona did (being deprived of food, having awful promotion, not getting paid). but there's something else that i feel a lot of orbits are unaware of, and that's that while polaris and bbc were "separate" if we look at the timeline of things, it's appears that they were still operating as one, just under different titles. during ladies' code's 2.5 year hiatus after the healing trilogy was dropped, loona was active the entire time. and when laco finally came back, guess whose 1 year long hiatus started? i know this series hasn't covered that timeline yet, so i won't say too much, but years ago a lavely looked at the credits of both loona and ladies' code's albums, and there were matching names that confirmed that the groups did share staff. this could explain why the groups were not active at the same time, because in my personal opinion it would make sense that polaris/bbc would want to do things as cheaply as possible (which is probably why they used in-house producers for ladies' code's 2019 album). i'm not sure if anyone else feels this way, but i've always thought polaris/bbc did not want loonacode to interact. yes, there's been interactions but rarely. ladies' code could've been proper seniors but i really do feel they were intentionally robbed of that. anyways, i could go on but i'll leave it at that. watching this has been a crazy reminder of what i've witnessed not just as an orbit but a lavely too. looking forward to the next part!
yes! they were literally one thing, bbc was just a spinoff name to try to whitewash ilkwang group's entertainment wing after everything that happened with ladies' code, clara, and lee kyu tae's fraud. hyunjin trained at polaris before bbc existed, executives for the whole group are all the same family, same building, etc.
Ladies code deserved so much better, these poor girls were so mistreated :(
This is very eye opening and I started to look up some things about the group, it is horrible that their manager was responsible for the deaths of EunB and Rise. Its strange that LC's last album was called "set me free" and loona's last album was called "flip that" what a coincidence both have the concepts of freedom only for it to be their last albums
Also if there is a thread on twitter or anything I can refer to about BBC's connection to LC please let me know! id like to inform others on this
@artmsangel it is a crazy coincidence, and if the "freesm" album had been released that would've been even crazier. sojung was the one to name the song "set me free" so maybe she was hinting at finally being free from that hell hole (the end of the music video also clearly expresses that too lol)
SEVEN MONTHS LATER BUT WE VIBEEEEE
thank you for the choerry statement, she genuinely did feel like she was in a weird area with loona, getting enough lines in their songs but for some reason not being as popular as the underutilized members, and she felt dismissed for members who were more popular or more disregarded by fans when you compare to the underutilized members. she is my ult bias because of her talent and versatility but orbits always have glossed over her, like even oec akgaes only tweeted about lip and jinsoul for example.
Oh GOD! The “it’s so over/we’re so back” phase of Loona was so scary when it was going on. But now I look back at that time with fond memories. Thanks for going down memory lane for the orbits 😂
lmfao the "troll orbits" section of this video reminds me of when an irl friend (who was also a kpop fan, but not an orbit) asked me if vivi was really mexican and if her last name was really rodriguez, because she had seen that going around on twitter. LMAOOOOO many such cases
THE WOLF PERSON CREATURE BEING CALLED A CAT I GIGGLED
glad you had a part dedicated towards jaden as a person because i've been seeing one too many orbits recently telling others that how they felt towards him didn't matter, that if artms were able to work with him again then everything must be fine. it's rlly been rubbing me the wrong way as, like you've talked about, jaden isn't exactly all that innocent and we shouldn't just all of sudden forget what he contributed to
yeah for sure, the part they leave out when they say that five of them chose to work with him again is that seven of them chose not to, and the girls in artms include some of jadens clear favourites who we know received more of his attention due to debuting earlier when there was more budget and less time restraints. anyway some of the stories are just objectively disturbing such as jinsoul being made to do a dangerous underwater stunt that left her with a fear of being underwater, you can't just say that's the norm in the industry he is still responsible for the harm he caused just as much as bbc is
@@katdeasyyplease stop the misinformation, the director in charge of ordering the stunt was the mv director and when they realized it would be too risky for jinsoul to do it because of the accident but couldn’t push back shooting the mv their A&R ryu jiin (Jaden’s partner at the time) stepped in to do the scene instead. What happened to jinsoul on set was an unfortunate accident that everyone on site took care of to make sure jinsoul would be safe in the end. Jiin has been very open about it in her interview with monotree.
It's really troubling, and I'm worried how these people would react to abuse victims who go back to their abusers (partners, family, friends, coworkers, etc).
@@malektaj5091 Okay, I agree with you there. That story about Jinsoul was definitely overblown I’ll give you that BUT still does not negate the fact that only the 5/12 members signed a contract with Jaden’s label. Haseul in particular, was severely overlooked and put on the back burner because Jaden found her “boring” (HIS words, btw) and had no idea what to do with her. Granted it’s the girls choice to do what makes them happy after everything they’ve been through, i think it’s perfectly reasonable for Orbits to side-eye Jaden for the questionable things he has said and done.
@@cmfymedia im so glad another orbit redirected me to this video because i heard from multiple other videos and people that because artms is under jaden.. he didnt partake in any of the abuse and tnay he was just apart of the lore. I literally had 0 idea he was involved 😭 im so glad this was posted is my point
TODAY YEARS OLD WHEN I FOUND FAVORITE SAMPLES JESSIE J 😭😭😭😭
sameee, i mean i kinda knew abt the ressemblance, but I thought it was just that they used the same sample pack or smth
omg i don't want to be dramatic but when i heard the beginning of butterfly start to play i teared up a little. that song means so much to me. thanks for the video!!
ME TOO
i've been an orbit since jinsoul's debut and i'm glad i wasn't really apart of orbitwt when hi high was out; i got to avoid the negativity. i loved ++ from start to end, i had been a kpop fan a couple years at that point but it was the first album i ever bought :') i have nothing but good memories of that era
I was and I personally don't remember negativity beyond the anger at the line distribution. As a haseul fan it was bittersweet, but not bc of the music!
THEY HIT THE PENTAGON
BRUH i was a predebut orbit and this took me back so much. its meaning me so emotional as I was in high school when all of this came down. and I just went to see artms yesterday literally 6 years with loona. it still brings me to tears what happened to them. I'm so happy they're doing so much better.
I've literally checked every week for this
That furry is Loona, a character of the animated series Helluva Boss by VivziePop, it's on youtube but it's not appropriate for all ages lol. There's a quite popular meme on orbitwt where a Helluva Boss fan made a fanart of Loona (the furry) in mexican clothes because #Loona_in_mexico was trending when Loona (the group) announced their tour back in 2021, and someonequoted the fanart saying "This is not about you"
oh yeah i remember them posting furry porn under #loonafanart. and then when orbits were like "you can have the tag, we'll use a different one", they went out of their way to also post porn under the new tag
does anyone else remember the twitter war that was caused bc of this... orbits were fighting furries and they were actually fighting back
THE QUEEN IS BACK
bow down....
i missed you queen i lowkey thought you might quit this project 😭 thank you for your work!! it’s especially essential for someone like me- a baby post-disbandment orbit
Sameee
I'm really happy you dedicated a whole section to Jaden because i personally never really wanted to dabble in the discourse myself but seeing it put in this perspective rlly helped me understand how everyone feels on the topic and why the antis have felt this way for so long. Honestly it really is sad how a lot of the behavior of creatives in the industry is systemic and just looked past but it really should be called out when it needs to. I rlly realized this especially after watching the Popstar Academy documentary and seeing how much discourse there was around the girls when it was so clear that it was all the execs' faults for putting a bunch of adolescents in an extremely vulnerable state of mind.
all lies
@@KarmaWings you cant deny everything you look crazy
@@emmie1973 every single thing mentioned has been debunked either 3-4 years ago or last year. We really don't care tho knowing that all of artms loves him the others don't matter
@@KarmaWings source?
@KarmaWings how are you gonna invalidate how the other members feel about him just cause some members joined him and forgave him... at the end of the day you don't know this man and you don't know these girls either. Like idk as much as yall love to praise this man for his involvement in the creation of loona, yall love to omit him from any kind of blame/responsibility when it comes to the mistreatment and abuse the loona members went thru.
The end of the idealized years is such an accurate way of putting it. Anyone who was around predebut remembers the bbc stanning lol great video, glad this history is recorded 🙏
loona has and probably always will be my biggest "you should have been there."
Thank you for talking about the Odd Eye Circle akgaes! I was usually the only one in comments defending the 1/3 unit against those AKgaes when OEC's album made its rounds during promotions. They were always the loudest ones to shout on about how 'boring' 1/3 is and how 'OEC' should just be it's own group because of 1/3 being 'underwhelming' and it really got to me. I don't see it much anymore but wouldn't be surprised if it's still there with Loosemble and ARTMD. No one ever seemed to call them (OEC akgaes) out and I feel seen now so thank you lol
Something awesome about Orbits who work to archive and make BBC copies of songs accessible without crossing picket lines is that they often go in and re-filter, remaster, or clean up the songs. When Butterfly came out, I was very frustrated because the high end seemed to intentionally be far louder than the rest of the song, and akin to many TXT tracks, there was so much squeaking and notes so high they are barely in range for humans to hear- which, as someone with bad misophonia, causes me severe pain. I listened to the song when it dropped and had to avoid it because of how severe of a migraine trigger it was, but the moment Orbits started their own distribution, it's like these accounts across the world collectively realized this and removed a bunch of that high end and some of the SFX. The copy on my SD card is safe to play with headphones and in my car and now I can actually appreciate how dang cool that song is. I love weird music and listen to a lot of hardnoise and grindcore, but many of those bands have copies of their tracks that are filtered in a more accessible way for that very reason
You know I noticed this in part 1, but OnlyOneOf and Loona intersect in some ways from pre-debut to debut and LGBT+ fanbases.
new conspiracy theory: jaden jeong is on a mission to turn korea queer through kpop
@@zacangerHe’s not beating those allegations with tripleS either 😂😂😂
@@siennahartle9069 he's really not, korea's birth rate is probably declining significantly because of all the queer awakenings (i mean have you seen sohyun?)
i joke about it but it's partially true, before loona i thought i was a straight man, and now i'm a wavbit, and also neither of those things
For anybody wondering for LoonaTheBallad (La Maison)
Jinsoul confirmed to fans that those snippets of Crystal, Hyper and Bliss Ballad were never full songs to begin with, they were just super rushed snippets that never got anywhere.
JJ never deleted the album as he has confirmed that he is willing to bring it back at the right place and time. JinSoul even said that Hyper Ballad is close to being complete.
As for who’s voices are on the OG snippets
Crystal Ballad: GoWon (confirmed by her) and HeeJin
Hyper Ballad: KimLip, Choerry, Yves and (I think) HyeJu/ Olivia Hye
Bliss Ballad: Yves and Chuu
You can actually find Crystal Ballad (which is now Named Blooming Moon) all over RUclips Performed at HaSeul small theater concert performed By Members HaSeul and HeeJin (who are now in the company Modhaus as a new group called ARTMS with members KimLip, JinSoul and Choerry)
Also as for the blog posts, JJ has a very unique way of speaking which is usually very misunderstood by lots of people.
About this, the ARTMS girls also said this year that they don't really want to release these songs as 5. It's supposed to be special, and they want to explore new music, so they said loonatheballad would just stay in the past as a memory for us Orbits. Because of that, i don't think they are releasing these songs anytime soon.
@@minolino2176 I do remember them saying they wanted to explore new music.
Even if they won’t release them as ARTMS, JJ and the girls are likely still working on the songs, Crystal Ballad is complete and has been performed by HeeJin and HaSeul like I said before.
I do think they will release them on a reunion album, as I do agree that it was a special OT12 thing, but evidence does show that they wanna dive back into their Loona musical identity too (KimLip stated)
So I have faith in this revival (same with Burn :)
jj writes the same way i used to write on my tumblr when i was an emo kid. it's funny but also leads to a lot of misunderstandings
@@zacangerbut he’s like a 40 year old man 😭😭😭😭
@@lamelonlord1854 an emo kid trapped in a 45-year-old man's body 😭
IVE WATCHED THE FIRST PART AT LEAST 7 TIMES, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH IVE WAITED FOR THIS
4:24 needed a trigger/jumpscare warning, just fyi. That is a very touchy subject with most orbits and it's caused a lot of stress over the years to those affected. 🙏🏾
I really appreciate you breaking down the arguments the fandom has over jaden and I completely agree with your pov.
WE’RE SO BACK
Thank you for the amazing video! Also: Never apologise for your ADHD (diagnosis). I hope you get the guidance you need and deserve. I have ADD and I understand you so much on the "sorry for the long gaps in-between videos" thing. You're def not struggling alone, so def do NOT ever feel bad for it, okay? We will patiently wait until a next video is ready
we are so beyond back
i remember the orbit name release because the whole timeline was like “the name better not be loonatic” and then bbc delayed the release@)$)$)$ its ok tho bc orbit is better
I THOUGHT BLOCKBERRY GOT YOU I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE BACK!! ❤️❤️❤️
OMG! It’s you! You’re back!!!
IM NEVER WATCHING A PART ONE ON THE SAME DAY IT COMES OUT EVER AGAIN 😭😭
i love you loona i love you loona i love you loona i love you loona i love you loona i love you loona
i think it's important to add that jadens debuting of minors with inappropriate concepts is still ongoing in modhaus with triples. modhaus received backlash 6 a younger member was revealed, yet he kept debuting them, and they kept getting younger. theres really no defence.
26:10 Hi High was the first song I ever listened to from loona, and it’s probably still my favorite to this day. I would say it’s probably on my list of best songs of all time, and while a part of that is from the backstory behind the song and the YEARS leading up to its release, it itself is an AMAZING song that rly deserves its flowers
felt comeback just in time for bbc's final collapse! i always have a lot of comments on these videos (with timetamps):
2:29 to clarify: streaming on any major platform, no matter what name it's uploaded under, benefits the entity that owns the rights to the music. not much, like less than a tenth of a cent per stream (even less on spotify and apple music, i make almost nothing from them), but it doesn't matter if you're listening to a re-uploaded track under someone else's name, it's the same either way. it also doesn't really matter, bbc collapsed, it's just a couple of accountants now, and the executives are facing prison time.
54:54 "orbits are liars" is such a fantastic legacy imho, and wavs are carrying it on (see: nakyoung at the olympics). also Orrery is pronounced like "or-r-ee", or "or-ruh-ree"
1:09:40 who do i contact about my compensation? 🦈 also defintely gotta shout out to litell_johnn, bluebettacreative, everyone at teamsubbits, and the other memers and theorists like zerocolors, loonian, longlost, blackwhite, yeojinace, sevenbirds, girlsof ourmonth, moonbit, daebak jjang, sua's sinb... there were so many
1:51:10 in their defense, there were only like three photos total of jj on the internet at that time, and in at least one of them he was kinda cute.
1:59:00 i think that's just a misunderstanding about how the process works. he probably had tentative lyrics, demos, maybe a rough track with guide vocals. definitely didn't only have teasers, no one would ever record teasers for songs that weren't written yet. so to him, he deleted the foundation for the album, and a lot of orbits took what jinsoul said to mean that he didn't actually have anything to delete. that whole first part up until when a singer enters the studio is really where the bulk of the work happens.
2:23:20 i don't think this is how most jj defenders feel about it. he definitely did, or at least had a hand in doing, some screwed up stuff. he's also clearly capable of learning (tripleS's food budget is around $22k USD/month). i really believe the reason some members chose not to join ARTMS is because they felt uneasy about working with him again, but also, 5 members DID join MH and told us on fab/fromm to trust them, so 🤷♀i think the jj issue is ambiguous. the guy is fallible. anyway i skipped a few minutes there because it feels like being sucked into a twitter debate with teenage stans who see everything in absolutes, and also because that whole "is jj the devil or is he god or is he a guy who did some good things and some bad things" discussion really isn't relevant anymore, except in that some orbits from that era feel a little iffy about artms sometimes.
i feel like the whole problem is trying to pursue the "the rest 7 members feel uncomfy/hate jaden so they didn't sign with mh" only ends up either 1. painting the artms members as horrible people who signed with the main perpetrator of their mistreatment at bbc, or 2. undermining/invalidating the abuse and mistreatment artms went through for said reason. i REALLY hope we can drop this argument once for all because in the past year, the other non artms members have either teased him or mentioned him very positively. whatever the fandom choose to feel about that man is up to each of your own, but it's just very questionable to try speak for the mistreatment the girls went through as outsiders.
and if you want to know the examples:
1. chuu mentioned last year that she met jaden at heejin's solo showcase, then directly thanked him for giving her her iconic stage name and solo debut song
2. yves mentioned when she was preparing for her solo redebut, she called jaden and he cried with her on the phone as she told him how scared and nervous she was feeling. and similar to haseul, she also mentioned that jaden was one of the main reasons she was able to debut as a loona member
3. hyunjin has mentioned him on multiple occasions on fab/fromm, mainly teasing him (calling him dumok-nim etc, as the artms members love to call him)
4. hyeju told an orbit during a fansign that she's watched the artms+jaden interview on their official channel, and jokingly said about how the hi high lyrics behind 'annoyed' her
@@mudaero oh, i know all the examples (i'm addicted to the fromm translation threads, and even pay for yves's fromm lmao). i should've been clearer in that sentence, i don't mean i think they avoided MH because they're worried about abusive behavior from JJ, just that they felt uneasy for one reason or another. i also phrased it a little awkwardly because i strongly disagree some of the opinions in the video, but didn't want to be too confrontational because there are some anti-jj extremists lingering around, and felt's opinion itself really lacks nuance (making a moral judgement based on probable past actions, rather than current character).
i think they all had various reasons for not going to MH, including wanting to be an indie idol, avoiding giving BBC more ammunition for lawsuits, wanting more lines/screentime, wanting to experiment with their personal styles, etc. there's a lot that went into all of their decisions, so i didn't meant to imply it was purely based on fear of dieting or anything.
one thing that really sticks with me is how frequently the members (especially hyunjin) asked us to trust them through the lawsuit era, and i 100% do. they each made the best decision for themselves at the time, and i'm positive they thought things through really well. and yeah, i also just want the speculation about JJ to end though, it's been years, i'm exhausted 😭
they are always so many new things to learn about loona even if you stanned them since debut lol. btw love you and your vid! What is your fav loona song of all time?
YAYYY I LOVED PART 1 IM SO EXCITED TO WATCH THIS
felt you are a true historian!!! thank you for making such high quality videos that capture such a special time in orbits' lives! 🫶🏻
The “cat” is actually a character on the web show named Helluva Boss! Her name IS Loona, which is why she pops up when you try to search for just Loona!
Also, thanks so much for doing this. I’ve been intensely curious about the history behind Loona, and I genuinely appreciate all your hard work.
welcome back (also, yeaayy brazil mentioned
1:09:40 ….. the way that sent me into a shock. Like WOW
Could you explain it to me pls
@@gunwookiehrt copying my other comment: "loonatheshark was a middle-aged westerner who regularly traveled to korea to be creepy around the members. he also had a twitter account where he was basically just super racist, and said a lot of inappropriate things about all the members, even including yeojin."
@@zacanger Tysm for the context, such a creepy person omfg
I was looking for this comment 😭😭 I was like it’s gonna be the shark isn’t it….
Predebut orbit here, pleased and disturbed that I remember so many of the things you mentioned in this video 😭😭😭🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷
It's crazy the amount of información here!!!!
Thank you so much for the part 2, been waiting since part 1 came out!!! I will show this to my future children and grandchildren to educate them!
30 minutes in and already need part 3 to drop
YOU'RE BACK
OMGGGG I WAS PUTTING TOGETHER A POWERPOINT OF LOONA FOR SOME NON KPOP FRIENDS AND UR FIRST PART WAS SUCH A BIG PART OF MY RESEARCH, THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK
felt is back
the ooo drag was crazyyyy 😭😭also thank you for another part, it's interesting to know what happened back in their predebut-rookie days :)
honestly like say what you will about jaden jeong, yes hes a very prominent figure to loonas success but that doesn't excuse him from his part of the exploitation of the loona members. the whole tw section really just reminded me as to why it why people love to credit him with only the positives of how loona came to be the group it is. like you have to acknowledge both sides of him and don't glorify him as you said.
i was waiting for a second part im so happy you posted !!!💗 i rlly appreciate all your work you put into these videos
I just wanted to share my support bc I'm not a loona stan but i loved your first video and this video aswell, very good rundown on the history of this group! Edit: and your hair is amazing
FINALLYYYY I DREAMT OF TIMES LIKE THIS 😮💨
I’m so happy to see the next part to this! Imma watch it rn on my tv!😭
You popping up in my notifications was a welcome surprise! Welcome back! 🫰🏾
YOU CAME BACK JUST IN TIME YAYYY
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR PART 2 FOR SO LONG
thank you for this serie ive been staning loona since PTT era and this is just so well explained and puts so much into a different perspective. cant wait for the third part
Oh ive been waitinggggg for this one!
don't worry lol, take your time! excited for part 3 whenever it comes out
OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH
So excited to watch 😭🙌🙌
Love this video ❤ Thank you for resuming herstory. What Loona was, is and could have been whewww
FINALLY IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SO LONG
PART TWO IS HERE!!!!! YESSSSSSS
OH MY GOD IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS NEXT PART
OMGG QUEEN IVE BEEN WAITING FOR PART TWO FOR MONTHSSS TYSM!!!!
OMG FINALLY PART 2 IVE BEEN WAITING LETS GOOO
i’m so happy i was able to find the first and second part. 😛
The only comeback that matters rn
Loona is basically the last remanent of the 2nd and 3rd gen Mid tier girl group era. groups that got 1 or 2 wins and had much more cultural influence then financial success. case and point Lovelyz(ironic I know)
Thank you for your hard work I’m leaning so much!!!💞
so happy that this is finally here! been waiting for this since the minute part 1 dropped, you did your research so well
TYSM FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK QUEEN
WAIT OMG THIS WAS POSTED ON MY BIRTHDAY!!!
WE’RE SO BACKKK YAYYYYYYYYYY
Watched the first video yesterday and now this and they were peeeerfect, tysm, take your time with part three ❤❤❤❤
OMGG GIRL YOURE BACKKK ILL WATCH IT AS SOON AS I HAVE THE TIME TI WATCH ITTTTT
the orbit lie i came out during the peak of orbit troll twt brainrot era was that gowon was bts suga's cousin and i said it again recently during looble's one of a kind era and people deadass believed it again and went to check them out afterwards, so yeah, it still works lmaoo
Was waiting for this comeback queen
im so glad youre back
can’t wait to watch this omg thank u queen 😭😭😭
THANK YOU WE;RE SI EXCITED FOR PART 3
IVE BEEN WAITING OMG!!!!! TYSM FOR POSTING THIS
I’m glad you credit the DIA fans for the fancam spam genesis and WJSN fans for originating the lesbian billionaires tweets, that’s herstory!
The one thing I’ll say is that I’m very ambivalent towards JJ. I enjoy his work but I don’t think he’s infallible, also I think he puts his foot in his mouth sometimes and phrases things weird, but that could be translation issues! Anyway the one thing is that didn’t JJ give Yves her food? You can argue that he shouldn’t have posted about it (which I would agree with lol, not to be the post police but…) but I’m pretty sure it’s confirmed that he didn’t confiscate it, he gave it to her
NO WAYYY!!! Can’t wait to watch this ilysm.
HELLO ive been waiting for this since part 1 LMFAO😭😭
and when the world needed her the most... she returned!
LOL I WAS JUST WATCHING YOUR OLD VIDS FOR FUN AND THIS DROPPED. THANKS.
ahhhhhh i haven't watched yet but i'm very excited, welcome back!!
1:33:30 "for the casuals" as if it wasn't a 6th hour of Loona deep dive lmao
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS!! ❤❤
this is such a good series
WEVE BEEN BLESSED THANK YOU
I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE TURN IT UP