2011 when I started working after grad, wage was RM2500, after 13 years still the same. Consider all the inflation over this 13 years, 2.5k is fking joke and 1.5k basic salary is a humiliation to Malaysia where this basic salary cant even survive. Greedy boss, corrupted politician and corrupted jabatan officer ruined the economy.
Looted ... Looted also lah but not to the extent the whole economy collapse, use your common sense lah. But definitely it could have been better without corruption
@@anak-e1m I think you are the one without common sense. How long you want the salary stay the same when everything become more expensive over the years? Until economy collapse? Ur attitude is similar to "biar dia rompak la, asalkan aku masih hidup tapi miskin". If you cant reply in civilize way, dont expect you get civilize answer from me. You little Mr / Mrs Uncommon Sense.
I live in Singapore and I spoke to several of these Malaysian graduates who comes over to my house to collect thr garbage. They are an assets to their company they work for because they are always very courteous and very efficient when carrying out their roles very systematically. As a former Malaysian myself, I must say that these young Malaysians will go far in life because they know why they are here in Singapore, not just for the high salaries garbage collectors earn, but to learn the business and pick up managment skills as well. I can only wish them the success when they get back to Malaysia.
@@tokroni Those once young Malaysians you once worked for me, did all eventually become Singaporeans. I must say they all end up excelling in their fields, holding senior managment or professional positions. Singapore welcomes you all!
You also use the dollar and have western values of economics. The world is changing, it will be interesting to see how Singapore does. It does have one thing in it's favor right now. But if Thailand creates the canal, that may change greatly. Like the Panama Canal did to South America.
I was a fresh graduate back in 1998. My salary back then was rm2300. Something is truly wrong with the job market in Malaysia. I am now working in Qatar, while Khazanah's advice is not suprising considering the Malaysian job landscape, it is not a solution. We may need something along the line of graduate min. wage amount to at least bring a corrective approach to the situation.
Minimum wages for low quality graduates????? Graduates who passed with sympathetic marks. Have you ever interviewed any of these graduates in job interviews? If not, please shut up.
@@StephenGn how are you so sure of the low quality? You interview all of them? Seems you are the one in need to shut up when we are talking about the big picture not specific graduate.
Besides a Degree, having a Right Attitude n Values are jst as important. It’s a misconception “Greener pastures over the fence” It is not all the time true, it comes with a price and not everyone can be mentally strong enough to overcome those challenges. Lots of sacrifices too
Today I can stay in Malaysia, work for a company in the US. I don't have to move. But end of day wherever you are, question is what do we have to offer the prospective employer whether that is in Malaysia or elsewhere. As an employer, even if I'm based in Australia, I can hire Sri Lankan or Vietnamese living in their own countries. I don't need them to move over to Australia ...
I usually hear people who are overqualified are people in the 30's and 40's who unfortunately lost their job and trying to get another job. How is it to be overqualified as a freash graduate with no experience? Just having a degree doesn't mean you are high value in the a job market.
not very true.stillnplenty jobs ,its employees capabilities to get better paying job. New graduates not worth 3500 unless you are STEM graduates.don't complain too much
One of the reason for brain drain in Malaysia is racism. I have a few friends and clients left Malaysia mainly because of racism.The sad part is, it is still happening....behind close door.
Millions of chinese leaving china . Its because of greed. Is china racists towrds chinese people? Tens thousand fleeing to the U S borders where racism is high. So you are just a loser.
This is happening in Singapore as well. Many Singaporeans are leaving to other countries for better opportunities not just Malaysia. Foreigners are flocking to SG.
Bangla and Myanmar flocking to Malaysia. No comparison with Singapore. Singapore is getting our best brains, while we are getting the 'best' of bangla, rohinga and Myanmar. Hahahaha
My opinion, you need working experienced before going abroad. In the market, Diploma in Safety and IT sectors salary start RM3.5K while Degree in Engineer start RM1.8K (site engineer). However, with 5 yrs experienced the engineer could fetch RM5-7K.
Recommend Fresh graduates to work abroad; well Malaysia is becoming more like Indonesia, Philippines, Bangladesh and etc. It is definitely partly due to the Government.
I AM VERY SORRY TO FRESH ESPECIALLY IN THE TIME WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW. IF U WATCH SEAN FOO ANALYSES, HE QUOTED 1 GRIM POINT FROM UN, i.e. THE ONLY WAY US CAN BRING DOWN INFLATION IS TO LED THE BANKS FAIL & BUSINESS CLOSED DOWN THE WORLD OVER. MEANING DEPRESSION. WE.DO NOT KNOW IF THE FEDS WILL TAKE THIS ROUTE OR NOT, PROBABLY THAT IS THE ONLY OPTION THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.
Young people should venture into blue collar job that nowadays pays more then white collar. Malaysia graduates scenario same like China where too many graduates produce without sufficient jobs. When supply more than demands salary will definitely drop or stagnant.
I run an engineering firm in KL. In 2011 when kopi ais was 1.80, wantan mee at 5.00, I was already paying 3100 for a freshie. Today that same kopi ais and wantan mee is 3.20 and 9.00. I'd say a reasonable freshie salary would be about 4k today. With hard work, allowances and commissions that should be about 6 to 6.5k per month. Not bad for a freshie, assuming he is hired.
The first thing Malaysian fresh graduates invest are on a car loan. They have not even started paying their education loan they already embarked with another loan. And they are complaining they cannot invest or save money because of low salary. Honestly the country will not lose anything if they leave. Many neighbouring countries young graduates willing to fill those gaps. They will be very happy to have the opportunity. Little to the Malaysians but abundant to them. And whose loss? Yes can go to richer country to have more salary but live with higher cost of living too. Nothing difference. On the other hand #MalaysianGovernment too must review the salary scales of all employment (including the private sector) time to time. Most of the time cost of living is getting higher and salary scales remain stagnant. This is not right.
Do they have any choice? The car dependant system in Malaysia forces everyone to have a car. If you don't have a car outside Klang Valley, you're literally stranded. Grab is becoming more and more unreliable nowadays. Even within Klang Valley the outskirts are not well serviced with public transport. The salaries in Malaysia are too low. That is a problem that we must ready to admit and tackle.
Malaysian employers need to level-up, especially in economic growth areas such as Klang Valley, Penang. Paying your staff 30% - 40% more is better than losing the talent to other countries. The outcome is far far worst. Not only is you lose the local talent, but, you benefit the other country. Use your damm brains employers in Malaysia. Moreover, this way, hopefully, will reduce reliance on foreign workers as well, using automation and hire more local.
@@leealex24 Public transport is complemented by e-hailing. Even within KL itself, many areas are not accessible by MRT and LRT. Feeder buses are only reliable for certain routes. Unless one lives and works within walking distance of urban rail transit, private transport is a necessity to travel around KL.
To be honest and a fresh grad i earned only 1.5 k working in banks with 150 annual salary increase until i started working in mnc. Hardly change jobs (twice altogether). What i learnt is mnc will pay more as long as we can show we are worth more to them. There, it's a global market place. Malaysia salaries are lower than most other countries including China and India. So there is leeway get more, if we offer something others don't. Just my own experience. I've been a people manager too - if i can hire someone who doesn't go to the office in Malaysia, i can just as well hire someone from Indonesia, India, China, etc. Whoever is cheaper ...
My China friend told me even a admin clerk pay in Tier 3 city in China is higher than in KL city, that how far are we behind compare to so call communist China, 🤣🤣
If you are not satisfied, GO, it will be better for those who stay. Where will you go? UK? US? Canada? Australia? New Zealand? Go, run away, don't stay.
Actually you shouldn't expect freedom the first 5 or 6 years into working life for fresh grads. What should be expected is living with your parents and save your money for 5 to 6 years in that period start investing as well. Regardless what the starting pay is going to be, whether is 2.5K, 3.5 k or even 4k plus. after 5 or 6 years saving and investing while living with parents then only have your freedom la. Because this expensive world is not only Malaysia is also in Singapore and overseas. Just bore your life and be discipline for 5 to 6 years only ma after that once got enough Money for survival, investing for the future and emergencies than only think about living alone la or with friends or couples la I also like that and I'm doing just fine only. I stayed with my parents and saved and invest 2k per month for 6 years got lucky in Tesla stock in 2020 where my 5k grew to 60k and I sold the stock and totalled income of saving and investing about 200k I then invested in dividend stocks with and average dividend of 5% get 10k per year then with the job of 3k+ salary plus dividends roughly about 4k . Then I just reinvest my dividends and expand my income without worrying about money anymore.
Thats provided if your family is well off and dont require you to cover their debts and living expenses. Most B40 and M40 are living that way and even take up part time jobs just to cover tabs. Your comment shows that you have no real life experience with the common people and out of touch with reality. Coming from a M40 family I manage to save up and got myself a housing loan for the next 30 years. Which means I am financially stuck until I retire unless or otherwise the company I am working in decides I am competent to move up the ladder. Here's the catch, most of the previous gens are still in job market and taking up places for the next 10 years. So if I am to stay for another 10 years and get lucky enough to be promoted, I may be able to cover the tabs AND afford more. Note that I did not mention anywhere me being qualified or competent for the job but rather being 'lucky'. Reality is that office works and corporate depends a lot on connections and luck. As the older gens always say - Its a big club and you're not part of it unless you get lucky
IMO the real problem is not pay being too low but rather inflation thats overtaking the graph along with depreciation of ringgit. i.e. Chicken rice 5 years ago was RM7 and now it is RM10, thats absolutely mental ! A price hike of 50% over 5 years when my pay only has hope of increasing by perhaps 30% over 10 years ! I have no actual statistics but its more of a comparison to my own job's rate of increment as compared to the market's situation. Most of us dont mind starting off small and low but if there's hardly a way to move up in life, you can't really blame the younger gens for laying flat or giving up quickly because life is just too fast paced these days. You can't sit around and wait for a 'chance' anymore and its better to give up and look elsewhere quickly to ensure survival
I am senior fr TAR college. Fr what I see is u should look beyond Malaysia, due to current situation of global economy collapsing, many big firms have closed down or on the way closing down. Unemployment among global fresh graduates or graduates is increasing exponentially. For example China, there are millions of graduates unemployed every year. Many foreign investors has withdrawn fr China and also Malaysia, in fact fr many many countries. So, there aren’t enough company to absorb any graduates. Therefore , whether u graduates go abroad or stay local, there are enough jobs to absorb you people moreover the syllabus you people studies in universities and colleges are very outdated and not needed by current firms. Everybody know that. Therefore, in years to come, you people most probably be conscripted to fight in World War III like in Russia. Get ready for war, or go into war industries , not career anymore like years before!
15 yrs ago, salary only rm 1.8k today 5 figures still not enough. Universities are churning out graduates en mass. When hiring is done, people coming out with masters but their command in English is poor, the product is specialized and without English, they cant express themselves properly to foreign counterparty.
How do you expect a recent graduate without work experience to be welcomed abroad? Most countries want not just a good education level but associated practical experience as well, at least 3 years.
Fresh graduates needs some suffering to grow properly. The harder the environment the better the test, survive Malaysia and you can survive almost anywhere...
BUT in Sg, undergrads usually have internships during the 3- 4 Uni yrs and most are given offers. My 2 gals received more than 3 offers because they interned in 3-4 different com earning their experiences. Holiday time was not wasted while gaining self confidence as young adults.
Don't be happy to for a job that can either be replaced by someone with less experience, or ai. I'm part of a team that's pushing out Ai automation globally for my company. Sometimes it's cheaper to hire a person compared to implement Ai. But only rarely, especially in bigger companies. So it's happening already.
About overqualification: The problem with overqualification is that you want to hire people that stay in the company for a long time. This is where overqualification actually becomes a problem. Also, overqualified people will not like the job... Overqualification maybe more of a problem when you think.
SG can always bring in foreigner to work as rubbish collector if malaysian workers are asking higher salary. Eventually AI will take over garbage collector. We need to acquire skills that hard to be learned or copied
@@FIRLco At least for the more important ones such as finance, engineering, business, science and law etc. You need to pay more to compete to avoid brain drain. Brain drain is never a good thing.
@@FIRLco I mean, not just the very best. I mean any good fresh graduate with good degree, especially from a good educational institution (Both local or overseas) should be paid RM4k and up. An economy doesn't rapidly grow on just the top 10%, it rapidly grows when the middle class rises, the rest of the 50%. To me, a brain drain is far far more costly than paying your staff 30% - 40% more salary. It's a no brainer.
Once salary naik results you cannot get petrol subsidies anymore. Just wondering why we stay here, seems like being a hardworker to earn more is a sin in malaysia.
Effect of millions of foreign workers pressed down the job markets and demands. Another possible reasons so called 'oversupply' of average graduates yearly into job market reflects quantity superceed quality.
@@FIRLco If low level job pay decently like Singapore than the next job bracket is higher up. Cheap labour paid around RM 1200 than graduate pay only slightly better between 1800-2400 only. Anyway we should move away from cheap and low value added industry similar to what Hong Kong and Taiwan did once was called copycat and toy making country. I see over here the system keep our people poor.
Philippine are able to produce millions of graduates yet most of them work overseas as maids sometimes it makes one wonder about their cert standards not only Philippine but hope malaysia has the credibility 😅😅
The reality is that there are too many tertiary institutions producing too many graduates in a diminishing job market. You see this happening in Malaysia, the Philippines, India, China, US, Australia and many others. For instance in Australia, there are too many university graduates but insufficient technical and trade graduates, forcing the country to "import" nurses, teachers, construction workers, plumbers, electricians, cooks, social workers, etc. Vocational schools in the country have free tuition.
Fresh graduates starting salary should at least been paying rm3000-3500 pm as the salary per day for foreigners are already are getting rm120 per day..
@@FIRLco I think they mean it in the sense of foreign cash inflow. It works well for JB tho. Businesses are flourishing in JB due to the huge inflow of SGD
Perhaps. I'm curious to ask you this. Let's say its unfair for employers to stereotype that most fresh graduates are lazy. Would it be also unfair to say most employers pay peanuts because they're greedy?
It all voice down to the govt. Unable to forecast or plan the demand for graduates to be higher than the supply. Some courses are actually irrelevant n graduates ended up over qualified for a simple job vacancy.
This talk blah blah blah is a totally waste of time. Tell you what, just go home spend time with your love ones. You can discuss until the cows come home and it is waste of time. Malaysia's rampant and wide spread corruption couple with Malaysia's government racist, apartheid and harmful policies are the cause of the problems. On record, Malaysia currently is the world's 2nd most racist country.
Its clear why racism arises- why do all top positions have to be filled by malays? Doesnt aptitude or the best qualified count? Why are many priveleges restricted only to bumis.? Perhaps if there is equality for all, the ugly head of racism would not have appeared. We have our policians to thank for this
A fresh graduate working in Mining in Australia will earn about AUD$90,000 per year - that’s about MYR$300,000 per year and that’s for a fresh graduate. Now imagine what you could earn if you never went back to Malaysia.
@@FIRLco That’s the famous response from people who don’t want to or can’t leave Malaysia. Let me tell you that even after tax one is 1000x better off than living in Malaysia. Even with your lower tax, you are still much much worse off than here in the west.
Yes, a good gov should hv developed jobs in ALL fields. 30yrs ago I wanted badly to specialize in bio-chem line but those "callus-culture" projects announced by gov didn't last. So I joined chemistry analytical line. One of the problems with UM graduates is they hv this mindset that "honours grads don't need to down to inspect production lines" 😅 And this Indian guy couldn't evdn write a full English report because he asked me to do it for him after insinuating my "general degree". This type of mindset hasn't changed much. Don't study STEM if you don't want to handle sewage, blood, etc.
I advise the young university graduated please leave Malaysia... My parents told me to leave 35 years ago. Today my children no problems to stay wherever they want to stay.
The minorities should leave and get away from apartheid policies. Migrate to countries that emphasize on meritocracy and excellence. Don’t waste your human capital by having to kneel in order for the majority to look tall.
Those workers collecting the oil palm in the plantation are earning more or less around Rm6-7k a month & even more if the harvest is more lucrative as they are measured by per ton too. So, l am very sad to hear the fresh grads are paid that miserablly.xx
Civil servants make up a tiny proportion of employment in Malaysia & inflation has been going up & up for like forever. This is not a recent phenomenon, it has been going on for decades. High inflation, low wages. I have worked at several companies & I can tell u for sure, Malaysian companies have TERRIBLE management. They waste money on stuff that does not matter & nobody cares about, meanwhile the increment given to staff year after year was abysmal. Malaysian managers are low quality. Terrible at their jobs but very good at ash kissing. They are also very racist. I welcome the PH gov move to make it easier to allow expats to work here as managers. Teach our local people how to be good managers & how to work efficiently.
Just leave.. It's better when nobody stays here.. The demand will be higher but the supply isn't enough.. That's the only way candidates can demand for high salary.. as of now, low morale
You won’t find jobs anywhere soon with Mass AI adoption. The best advice is - pivot to conservation and environment based sectors. A lot of ESG funding but not enough people wanting to do the work! Besides, it’s more fun than sitting in an office all day. You may not be rich but at least you make a difference and your quality of life will be better. ❤
a fresh graduate cannot be over qualified .lack of experiences is quite worthless.paper qualification is not over qualified.STEM graduates can get jobs.Dont expect high salary
You got your concept so very wrong.... Most employers would not prefer to hire a person that is overly qualified for a particular role; because an overly qualified candidate would not be satisfied with a very much simple mundane role so much so they would likely leave their job and hence causing high turn over rate which is not healthy to run an operation. Employment is based on matching qualifications and the right attitude / values of the candidate.
Hmmm I think most of the correspondents here, is missing the point. It’s competency. Most graduates don’t even understand what they have studied, lack of hard and soft skills. Very academic. Not ready for upstream type work. Lacks the skills for deserving higher paying jobs. Always overrated
This is true for most countries globally, right now there is a move to deDollarization by moving into BRICS certainly this would have impact in creating economic balance globally..
Rubbish, overqualified is a misleading word. Our graduates , once out of the country will be regarded as second or third class. This is the facts. Sorry for saying this. .
The brave and capable will venture out to conquer the world. The gutless useless trash will stay back in their little village. These people already 'quit' even before they started.
If given a chance to redo again, I will still have a professional degree but will join a none traditional business job like an insurance agent to gain a stable financial and passive income support within 3-5 years (10k-30k per month) then only to begin accomplishing my dream work based on what my professional academic degree, of course you may do it while you are working on other fields, in this case which is an insurance agent for example, but is a bit energy consuming unless you are able to cope. At the end of the day, you will retire, regardless of what job position you hold in previous company, after retirement, you are just a normal person, no one cares, and this is where the truth start to review upon you. Therefore, before the truth review on you, you will review the truth first that is stay away from joining traditional related business models that lock your time, freedom and even your health as well.
Overqualified?? Hello, only in paper la. The quality is real sh.t. unfit for real world. The issue is the education system, the government. Cannot blame government? You scared?
I don't care lah. too old already for all this nonsense.. better for me to enjoy my remaining years, what to do.. everybody trying to be smart asses and have their own so called brilliant agendas. Good luck lah everyone.
Pakistani indians bangladeshi all bringing in their fake certificate and accepting lower salary is the biggest problem Migrants like this should be blocked from entering Legal or illegal . Getting low salary because of low supply and demand If there isnt those spoilers then its fine like back then, my myself quit my job , consider isolated,and travel to another country to become a paramilitary contractor because it offer better 😂 worth the risk and effort at least .
Fresh Malaysian grads, after 4, 5 or 6 yrs of hard tough mental battle are faced with more frustrations & disappointment caused by racism & fanaticism blatantly initiated by the MM mps & agamawans!!!! ... remained UNEMPLOYED & DEPRIVED....
This is Malaysia. The post higher leave to the pmson and daughter or the families relative. This is the problem in malaysia. They don't care their country. Becouse the education problem. Best good people they push outside. The bad corrupt they stay in government
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2011 when I started working after grad, wage was RM2500, after 13 years still the same.
Consider all the inflation over this 13 years, 2.5k is fking joke and 1.5k basic salary is a humiliation to Malaysia where this basic salary cant even survive.
Greedy boss, corrupted politician and corrupted jabatan officer ruined the economy.
Corrupt is rooted there's nothing anyone can do about it if we keep on using race and religion politic
The mamak looted msia😊
Looted ... Looted also lah but not to the extent the whole economy collapse, use your common sense lah. But definitely it could have been better without corruption
@@anak-e1m I think you are the one without common sense. How long you want the salary stay the same when everything become more expensive over the years? Until economy collapse? Ur attitude is similar to "biar dia rompak la, asalkan aku masih hidup tapi miskin". If you cant reply in civilize way, dont expect you get civilize answer from me. You little Mr / Mrs Uncommon Sense.
And property price keeps rising, that's y most ppl can't afford to buy house without putting all yr salary to it with 30yr loan
We have at least 2 graduates working as gabage collectors in Singapore, and they earn a lot more than their cohorts in Malaysia in office jobs.
I live in Singapore and I spoke to several of these Malaysian graduates who comes over to my house to collect thr garbage. They are an assets to their company they work for because they are always very courteous and very efficient when carrying out their roles very systematically. As a former Malaysian myself, I must say that these young Malaysians will go far in life because they know why they are here in Singapore, not just for the high salaries garbage collectors earn, but to learn the business and pick up managment skills as well. I can only wish them the success when they get back to Malaysia.
@@tao8251 They will be your fellow citizens soon, former Malaysian. Lots of us coming to crowd you out and join in
@@tokroni Those once young Malaysians you once worked for me, did all eventually become Singaporeans. I must say they all end up excelling in their fields, holding senior managment or professional positions. Singapore welcomes you all!
You also use the dollar and have western values of economics. The world is changing, it will be interesting to see how Singapore does. It does have one thing in it's favor right now. But if Thailand creates the canal, that may change greatly. Like the Panama Canal did to South America.
@@tokroniWelcome! Come join the party of talents. Singapore welcomes you with open arms.
I was a fresh graduate back in 1998. My salary back then was rm2300. Something is truly wrong with the job market in Malaysia. I am now working in Qatar, while Khazanah's advice is not suprising considering the Malaysian job landscape, it is not a solution. We may need something along the line of graduate min. wage amount to at least bring a corrective approach to the situation.
Yes correct. Need improve our education system and emphasise on skills that are useful and relevant to the workforce.
Minimum wages for low quality graduates????? Graduates who passed with sympathetic marks. Have you ever interviewed any of these graduates in job interviews? If not, please shut up.
No minister will work on the salary market. Nothing is more important the wealth they grab. I don't understand y they not afraid of the hellfire
1998 fresh graduate salary MYR 2300...
Any idea how much is the salary in 2024 for fresh graduates?
@@StephenGn how are you so sure of the low quality? You interview all of them? Seems you are the one in need to shut up when we are talking about the big picture not specific graduate.
Besides a Degree, having a Right Attitude n Values are jst as important. It’s a misconception “Greener pastures over the fence” It is not all the time true, it comes with a price and not everyone can be mentally strong enough to overcome those challenges. Lots of sacrifices too
yeah that's right.
Today I can stay in Malaysia, work for a company in the US. I don't have to move. But end of day wherever you are, question is what do we have to offer the prospective employer whether that is in Malaysia or elsewhere. As an employer, even if I'm based in Australia, I can hire Sri Lankan or Vietnamese living in their own countries. I don't need them to move over to Australia ...
I usually hear people who are overqualified are people in the 30's and 40's who unfortunately lost their job and trying to get another job. How is it to be overqualified as a freash graduate with no experience? Just having a degree doesn't mean you are high value in the a job market.
True
not very true.stillnplenty jobs ,its employees capabilities to get better paying job. New graduates not worth 3500 unless you are STEM graduates.don't complain too much
Only first class students can actually get a job abroad (and a working visa sponsor) in a western developed country.
One of the reason for brain drain in Malaysia is racism. I have a few friends and clients left Malaysia mainly because of racism.The sad part is, it is still happening....behind close door.
Millions of chinese leaving china . Its because of greed. Is china racists towrds chinese people? Tens thousand fleeing to the U S borders where racism is high. So you are just a loser.
This is happening in Singapore as well. Many Singaporeans are leaving to other countries for better opportunities not just Malaysia. Foreigners are flocking to SG.
True. It's a globalised world.
Bangla and Myanmar flocking to Malaysia. No comparison with Singapore. Singapore is getting our best brains, while we are getting the 'best' of bangla, rohinga and Myanmar. Hahahaha
@@Easyly1953Tons of Bangla here in Spore..Collecting garbage at HDB...construction n many more
My opinion, you need working experienced before going abroad.
In the market, Diploma in Safety and IT sectors salary start RM3.5K while Degree in Engineer start RM1.8K (site engineer). However, with 5 yrs experienced the engineer could fetch RM5-7K.
5k Still very low. Yout7ber can make more
Not only fresh graduates, a lot of my friends who already have established career make a change and go abroad too..
Isn't that why many foreigners want to work in Malaysia. Are we heading to that direction where many Malaysians have to work abroad?
Foreign illiterate workers are coming to work in Malaysia
Recommend Fresh graduates to work abroad; well Malaysia is becoming more like Indonesia, Philippines, Bangladesh and etc. It is definitely partly due to the Government.
I AM VERY SORRY TO FRESH ESPECIALLY IN THE TIME WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW. IF U WATCH SEAN FOO ANALYSES, HE QUOTED 1 GRIM POINT FROM UN, i.e. THE ONLY WAY US CAN BRING DOWN INFLATION IS TO LED THE BANKS FAIL & BUSINESS CLOSED DOWN THE WORLD OVER. MEANING DEPRESSION. WE.DO NOT KNOW IF THE FEDS WILL TAKE THIS ROUTE OR NOT, PROBABLY THAT IS THE ONLY OPTION THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.
Young people should venture into blue collar job that nowadays pays more then white collar. Malaysia graduates scenario same like China where too many graduates produce without sufficient jobs. When supply more than demands salary will definitely drop or stagnant.
Some yes, but do take note there's a toll for blue collar, physical challenge.
I run an engineering firm in KL. In 2011 when kopi ais was 1.80, wantan mee at 5.00, I was already paying 3100 for a freshie. Today that same kopi ais and wantan mee is 3.20 and 9.00. I'd say a reasonable freshie salary would be about 4k today. With hard work, allowances and commissions that should be about 6 to 6.5k per month. Not bad for a freshie, assuming he is hired.
many would disagree but yeah budgeting is crucial.
when prices double like the example you've stated, a reasonable salary is 6k, not 4k.
@@LAGG3R hopefully, productivity doubles also.
The first thing Malaysian fresh graduates invest are on a car loan. They have not even started paying their education loan they already embarked with another loan. And they are complaining they cannot invest or save money because of low salary. Honestly the country will not lose anything if they leave. Many neighbouring countries young graduates willing to fill those gaps. They will be very happy to have the opportunity. Little to the Malaysians but abundant to them. And whose loss? Yes can go to richer country to have more salary but live with higher cost of living too. Nothing difference. On the other hand #MalaysianGovernment too must review the salary scales of all employment (including the private sector) time to time. Most of the time cost of living is getting higher and salary scales remain stagnant. This is not right.
Do they have any choice? The car dependant system in Malaysia forces everyone to have a car. If you don't have a car outside Klang Valley, you're literally stranded. Grab is becoming more and more unreliable nowadays. Even within Klang Valley the outskirts are not well serviced with public transport. The salaries in Malaysia are too low. That is a problem that we must ready to admit and tackle.
Car is becoming less necessary these days in Klang Valley as public transport is much much better now.
@@leealex24 Yes there are improvements. But still a long way to go
Malaysian employers need to level-up, especially in economic growth areas such as Klang Valley, Penang. Paying your staff 30% - 40% more is better than losing the talent to other countries. The outcome is far far worst.
Not only is you lose the local talent, but, you benefit the other country. Use your damm brains employers in Malaysia. Moreover, this way, hopefully, will reduce reliance on foreign workers as well, using automation and hire more local.
@@leealex24 Public transport is complemented by e-hailing. Even within KL itself, many areas are not accessible by MRT and LRT. Feeder buses are only reliable for certain routes. Unless one lives and works within walking distance of urban rail transit, private transport is a necessity to travel around KL.
To be honest and a fresh grad i earned only 1.5 k working in banks with 150 annual salary increase until i started working in mnc. Hardly change jobs (twice altogether). What i learnt is mnc will pay more as long as we can show we are worth more to them. There, it's a global market place. Malaysia salaries are lower than most other countries including China and India. So there is leeway get more, if we offer something others don't. Just my own experience. I've been a people manager too - if i can hire someone who doesn't go to the office in Malaysia, i can just as well hire someone from Indonesia, India, China, etc. Whoever is cheaper ...
My China friend told me even a admin clerk pay in Tier 3 city in China is higher than in KL city, that how far are we behind compare to so call communist China, 🤣🤣
If you are not satisfied, GO, it will be better for those who stay. Where will you go? UK? US? Canada? Australia? New Zealand?
Go, run away, don't stay.
Actually you shouldn't expect freedom the first 5 or 6 years into working life for fresh grads. What should be expected is living with your parents and save your money for 5 to 6 years in that period start investing as well. Regardless what the starting pay is going to be, whether is 2.5K, 3.5 k or even 4k plus. after 5 or 6 years saving and investing while living with parents then only have your freedom la. Because this expensive world is not only Malaysia is also in Singapore and overseas. Just bore your life and be discipline for 5 to 6 years only ma after that once got enough Money for survival, investing for the future and emergencies than only think about living alone la or with friends or couples la I also like that and I'm doing just fine only. I stayed with my parents and saved and invest 2k per month for 6 years got lucky in Tesla stock in 2020 where my 5k grew to 60k and I sold the stock and totalled income of saving and investing about 200k I then invested in dividend stocks with and average dividend of 5% get 10k per year then with the job of 3k+ salary plus dividends roughly about 4k . Then I just reinvest my dividends and expand my income without worrying about money anymore.
Your regime requires discipline. Good job!
Depending on one’s circumstances. Ideally, what you say is right and we preach that!
Thats provided if your family is well off and dont require you to cover their debts and living expenses. Most B40 and M40 are living that way and even take up part time jobs just to cover tabs. Your comment shows that you have no real life experience with the common people and out of touch with reality.
Coming from a M40 family I manage to save up and got myself a housing loan for the next 30 years. Which means I am financially stuck until I retire unless or otherwise the company I am working in decides I am competent to move up the ladder. Here's the catch, most of the previous gens are still in job market and taking up places for the next 10 years. So if I am to stay for another 10 years and get lucky enough to be promoted, I may be able to cover the tabs AND afford more.
Note that I did not mention anywhere me being qualified or competent for the job but rather being 'lucky'. Reality is that office works and corporate depends a lot on connections and luck. As the older gens always say - Its a big club and you're not part of it unless you get lucky
IMO the real problem is not pay being too low but rather inflation thats overtaking the graph along with depreciation of ringgit. i.e. Chicken rice 5 years ago was RM7 and now it is RM10, thats absolutely mental ! A price hike of 50% over 5 years when my pay only has hope of increasing by perhaps 30% over 10 years ! I have no actual statistics but its more of a comparison to my own job's rate of increment as compared to the market's situation.
Most of us dont mind starting off small and low but if there's hardly a way to move up in life, you can't really blame the younger gens for laying flat or giving up quickly because life is just too fast paced these days. You can't sit around and wait for a 'chance' anymore and its better to give up and look elsewhere quickly to ensure survival
@@brendongunn9477 thanks for sharing. I believe inflation is a global problem and for sure previous generations got it lucky.
I am senior fr TAR college. Fr what I see is u should look beyond Malaysia, due to current situation of global economy collapsing, many big firms have closed down or on the way closing down. Unemployment among global fresh graduates or graduates is increasing exponentially. For example China, there are millions of graduates unemployed every year. Many foreign investors has withdrawn fr China and also Malaysia, in fact fr many many countries. So, there aren’t enough company to absorb any graduates.
Therefore , whether u graduates go abroad or stay local, there are enough jobs to absorb you people moreover the syllabus you people studies in universities and colleges are very outdated and not needed by current firms. Everybody know that.
Therefore, in years to come, you people most probably be conscripted to fight in World War III like in Russia.
Get ready for war, or go into war industries , not career anymore like years before!
High time to review our salary scale, more so with the depreciation of our currency.
15 yrs ago, salary only rm 1.8k today 5 figures still not enough. Universities are churning out graduates en mass. When hiring is done, people coming out with masters but their command in English is poor, the product is specialized and without English, they cant express themselves properly to foreign counterparty.
yup. To add, financing is easy.
How do you expect a recent graduate without work experience to be welcomed abroad? Most countries want not just a good education level but associated practical experience as well, at least 3 years.
good point
Can, be a slave or road side cleaner.
Fresh graduates needs some suffering to grow properly. The harder the environment the better the test, survive Malaysia and you can survive almost anywhere...
Some yes.
I agree with you.
BUT in Sg, undergrads usually have internships during the 3- 4 Uni yrs and most are given offers. My 2 gals received more than 3 offers because they interned in 3-4 different com earning their experiences. Holiday time was not wasted while gaining self confidence as young adults.
@@blessedcheflim8579 You've raised them well.
Don't be happy to for a job that can either be replaced by someone with less experience, or ai. I'm part of a team that's pushing out Ai automation globally for my company. Sometimes it's cheaper to hire a person compared to implement Ai. But only rarely, especially in bigger companies. So it's happening already.
You are part of the problem
About overqualification: The problem with overqualification is that you want to hire people that stay in the company for a long time. This is where overqualification actually becomes a problem. Also, overqualified people will not like the job...
Overqualification maybe more of a problem when you think.
Jai Hind. Work as Rubbish collector in Singapore is even more lucrative
true, but career prospects less.
SG can always bring in foreigner to work as rubbish collector if malaysian workers are asking higher salary. Eventually AI will take over garbage collector. We need to acquire skills that hard to be learned or copied
Employers should pay degree holder fresh grads minimum RM4k. MNCs minimum RM5k
all degrees?
@@FIRLco At least for the more important ones such as finance, engineering, business, science and law etc. You need to pay more to compete to avoid brain drain. Brain drain is never a good thing.
@@leealex24 I think the best do get paid very well in these fields you mention get paid very well in Malaysia.
@@FIRLco I mean, not just the very best. I mean any good fresh graduate with good degree, especially from a good educational institution (Both local or overseas) should be paid RM4k and up. An economy doesn't rapidly grow on just the top 10%, it rapidly grows when the middle class rises, the rest of the 50%.
To me, a brain drain is far far more costly than paying your staff 30% - 40% more salary. It's a no brainer.
Soon no more let leave
Very superficial discussion bereft of hard hitting facts about how our economy has been mismanaged since the time of Mamakthir…
Pretty sure blaming someone who's almost 100 won't solve your income problems.
Once salary naik results you cannot get petrol subsidies anymore. Just wondering why we stay here, seems like being a hardworker to earn more is a sin in malaysia.
We should be like the rest of the world without subsidies then Malaysians can learn to live according to their means.
how much will you have to pay extra for petrol if you are earning T20 salary?
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -
Margaret Thatcher
My friends has achieved very high 'position' in their job, all of them 'manager'...... From insurance company A to Z.
You want good income. Do two jobs or sales
I'm a graphic designer and i wanna come to Malaysia, there's any opportunity?
Effect of millions of foreign workers pressed down the job markets and demands. Another possible reasons so called 'oversupply' of average graduates yearly into job market reflects quantity superceed quality.
Do Malaysian want these jobs?
@@FIRLco
If low level job pay decently like Singapore than the next job bracket is higher up. Cheap labour paid around RM 1200 than graduate pay only slightly better between 1800-2400 only.
Anyway we should move away from cheap and low value added industry similar to what Hong Kong and Taiwan did once was called copycat and toy making country. I see over here the system keep our people poor.
Philippine are able to produce millions of graduates yet most of them work overseas as maids sometimes it makes one wonder about their cert standards not only Philippine but hope malaysia has the credibility 😅😅
The reality is that there are too many tertiary institutions producing too many graduates in a diminishing job market. You see this happening in Malaysia, the Philippines, India, China, US, Australia and many others. For instance in Australia, there are too many university graduates but insufficient technical and trade graduates, forcing the country to "import" nurses, teachers, construction workers, plumbers, electricians, cooks, social workers, etc. Vocational schools in the country have free tuition.
Fresh graduates starting salary should at least been paying rm3000-3500 pm as the salary per day for foreigners are already are getting rm120 per day..
If many goes to overseas, its better for Malaysia..
why
@@FIRLco I think they mean it in the sense of foreign cash inflow. It works well for JB tho. Businesses are flourishing in JB due to the huge inflow of SGD
@@natep6729 I see got it.
To some extent many Malaysian employers pay peanuts to fresh graduates. Why?? Greed.
Perhaps.
I'm curious to ask you this. Let's say its unfair for employers to stereotype that most fresh graduates are lazy. Would it be also unfair to say most employers pay peanuts because they're greedy?
It all voice down to the govt. Unable to forecast or plan the demand for graduates to be higher than the supply. Some courses are actually irrelevant n graduates ended up over qualified for a simple job vacancy.
sharing accommodation happens overseas also in usa...where 3/4 new workers share a hse...unless u hv rich parents u r forced 2 share
The salary scale in Malaysia is pathetically low, especially for fresh graduates
This talk blah blah blah is a totally waste of time. Tell you what, just go home spend time with your love ones. You can discuss until the cows come home and it is waste of time. Malaysia's rampant and wide spread corruption couple with Malaysia's government racist, apartheid and harmful policies are the cause of the problems. On record, Malaysia currently is the world's 2nd most racist country.
If you ask the Malay community, you will be surprised that they think your community is the racist one
@@shamshulanuar7718en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Malaysia
Racism In Malaysia
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Malaysia
Its clear why racism arises- why do all top positions have to be filled by malays? Doesnt aptitude or the best qualified count? Why are many priveleges restricted only to bumis.? Perhaps if there is equality for all, the ugly head of racism would not have appeared. We have our policians to thank for this
Really? Only second after apartheid israel. Wow, not bad ma.
A fresh graduate working in Mining in Australia will earn about AUD$90,000 per year - that’s about MYR$300,000 per year and that’s for a fresh graduate. Now imagine what you could earn if you never went back to Malaysia.
That's amazing! Hope rent and taxes are free too.
@@FIRLco That’s the famous response from people who don’t want to or can’t leave Malaysia. Let me tell you that even after tax one is 1000x better off than living in Malaysia. Even with your lower tax, you are still much much worse off than here in the west.
@@TheTeaParty320 This is the famous response from people who cannot succeed in Msia.
@@FIRLco 😂😂😂😂😂
@@TheTeaParty320 😉
US border are open now , it is the time, if you had a hard balls chase the dream
illegal aliens?
Yes, a good gov should hv developed jobs in ALL fields. 30yrs ago I wanted badly to specialize in bio-chem line but those "callus-culture" projects announced by gov didn't last.
So I joined chemistry analytical line.
One of the problems with UM graduates is they hv this mindset that "honours grads don't need to down to inspect production lines" 😅 And this Indian guy couldn't evdn write a full English report because he asked me to do it for him after insinuating my "general degree". This type of mindset hasn't changed much. Don't study STEM if you don't want to handle sewage, blood, etc.
I advise the young university graduated please leave Malaysia... My parents told me to leave 35 years ago. Today my children no problems to stay wherever they want to stay.
Then again there are people who stayed who can say the same thing for their children.
The minorities should leave and get away from apartheid policies.
Migrate to countries that emphasize on meritocracy and excellence.
Don’t waste your human capital by having to kneel in order for the majority to look tall.
This is why I wary that Malaysia will add up like the other countries issue
Those workers collecting the oil palm in the plantation are earning more or less around Rm6-7k a month & even more if the harvest is more lucrative as they are measured by per ton too. So, l am very sad to hear the fresh grads are paid that miserablly.xx
A lot of graduates cannot perform according to their qualification.
"Qualification"
Qualified yes but quality wise no.
They are not trained to think - critical thinking
Could it be due to the over-increase in civil servant salary that jack up the cost of living, and the inability of private sector to match the salary?
Civil servants make up a tiny proportion of employment in Malaysia & inflation has been going up & up for like forever. This is not a recent phenomenon, it has been going on for decades. High inflation, low wages. I have worked at several companies & I can tell u for sure, Malaysian companies have TERRIBLE management. They waste money on stuff that does not matter & nobody cares about, meanwhile the increment given to staff year after year was abysmal. Malaysian managers are low quality. Terrible at their jobs but very good at ash kissing. They are also very racist. I welcome the PH gov move to make it easier to allow expats to work here as managers. Teach our local people how to be good managers & how to work efficiently.
The uni degree system and salary scheme is a mismatch.more n more opted not to enter uni coz u can't recover the fees for many years in the workforce.
True. The choice of degree matters.
They won't. Because they're "tounge tied"
Just leave.. It's better when nobody stays here.. The demand will be higher but the supply isn't enough.. That's the only way candidates can demand for high salary.. as of now, low morale
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Is working abroad any better?
case by case
This is the state of M'sia from bad to worst.
dont so gloomy la
If could reverse this trend would help the state of things
You won’t find jobs anywhere soon with Mass AI adoption. The best advice is - pivot to conservation and environment based sectors. A lot of ESG funding but not enough people wanting to do the work! Besides, it’s more fun than sitting in an office all day. You may not be rich but at least you make a difference and your quality of life will be better. ❤
a fresh graduate cannot be over qualified .lack of experiences is quite worthless.paper qualification is not over qualified.STEM graduates can get jobs.Dont expect high salary
Yup that’s right
Hard to get job
Inflation
You got your concept so very wrong.... Most employers would not prefer to hire a person that is overly qualified for a particular role; because an overly qualified candidate would not be satisfied with a very much simple mundane role so much so they would likely leave their job and hence causing high turn over rate which is not healthy to run an operation. Employment is based on matching qualifications and the right attitude / values of the candidate.
Opinions from inexperienced, idealistic guys should be ignored.
Care to expand?
Do you know Chinese companies discriminate between Chinese and Malay workers..... Chinese RM3k and Malay RM2K especially fresh graduate.....
sad
Hmmm I think most of the correspondents here, is missing the point. It’s competency. Most graduates don’t even understand what they have studied, lack of hard and soft skills. Very academic. Not ready for upstream type work. Lacks the skills for deserving higher paying jobs. Always overrated
If u not happy here please go nobody stop u boleh blah ramai lg org mau keje byk komplin saja
Skill
Cook
This is true for most countries globally, right now there is a move to deDollarization by moving into BRICS certainly this would have impact in creating economic balance globally..
Semua orang mau jadi master.....
But some are born in the Master Race, no?
Gen Z is also a problem 😂😂😂
You over exaggerate. Economy not bad. Food prices still cheap
Salary increases by 10% per year, goods and services price increase 50% per year.
Prepare students for jobs
Going to office is a waste of time and a waste of life.
Rubbish, overqualified is a misleading word. Our graduates , once out of the country will be regarded as second or third class. This is the facts. Sorry for saying this.
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Only losers quit and cabut. The hardy tough ones stayed to contribute to TanahAir
The brave and capable will venture out to conquer the world. The gutless useless trash will stay back in their little village. These people already 'quit' even before they started.
If given a chance to redo again, I will still have a professional degree but will join a none traditional business job like an insurance agent to gain a stable financial and passive income support within 3-5 years (10k-30k per month) then only to begin accomplishing my dream work based on what my professional academic degree, of course you may do it while you are working on other fields, in this case which is an insurance agent for example, but is a bit energy consuming unless you are able to cope. At the end of the day, you will retire, regardless of what job position you hold in previous company, after retirement, you are just a normal person, no one cares, and this is where the truth start to review upon you. Therefore, before the truth review on you, you will review the truth first that is stay away from joining traditional related business models that lock your time, freedom and even your health as well.
This is really smart
your government still sleeping....that is the main issue.
Overqualified?? Hello, only in paper la. The quality is real sh.t. unfit for real world. The issue is the education system, the government. Cannot blame government? You scared?
Indeed .. He lost all credibility when he said can't blame the Malaysian gov.... What a joke
Go to Russia. They have millions of job vacancies especially in IT & military related industry. Their economy is booming.
Ooh
Malaysian leave..Bangla stay in..
Education system never though us anything about money ffs.
yep. to be fair true for most countries.
I don't care lah. too old already for all this nonsense.. better for me to enjoy my remaining years, what to do.. everybody trying to be smart asses and have their own so called brilliant agendas. Good luck lah everyone.
Very misleading 😢
Pakistani indians bangladeshi all bringing in their fake certificate and accepting lower salary is the biggest problem
Migrants like this should be blocked from entering
Legal or illegal .
Getting low salary because of low supply and demand
If there isnt those spoilers then its fine like back then, my myself quit my job , consider isolated,and travel to another country to become a paramilitary contractor because it offer better 😂 worth the risk and effort at least .
bagus…berambus terus, buat semak je
akhirnya keluar jg busuk yg terpendam di hati ye? mmg tu la warna sebenar kau
@@Nick-t5x aku lagi suka puak2 ni berambus terus
@@Nick-t5x kau la yg busuk pencinta pemakan ba bi
Hidup DAP...don't forget to vote this rocket party 😂😂😂
To much talk ...
Fresh Malaysian grads, after 4, 5 or 6 yrs of hard tough mental battle are faced with more frustrations & disappointment caused by racism & fanaticism blatantly initiated by the MM mps & agamawans!!!! ... remained UNEMPLOYED & DEPRIVED....
I'll unlock🔐 the door🚪for those👨🎓who want to get out of the racist country. Phew good ridden🧹to bad rubbish🗑. More jobs available then. Bye🙋♂️.
They stay out because they work in another town. ???@£%^&
Malaysia has failed.
Just sell nasi kandar recycle lor
More money t halal lor😝😝😝😝😝
My only advice to the fresh graduates is to get out of this country while you can. Stop wasting time here with totally screwed up country.
Please work in Bangladesh
My first pay in 1970s was RM 1,200! And then it was RM 1= S$1. Hahahaha
Wow Rm1200 in 1970, that is lots $$ 🫡🫡
This is Malaysia. The post higher leave to the pmson and daughter or the families relative. This is the problem in malaysia. They don't care their country. Becouse the education problem. Best good people they push outside. The bad corrupt they stay in government