Great to see you are investing in an even better record studio! I really hope it continues to capture more and more great musicians. Keep up the good work, congratulations !
Love to see some classic veteran Jazz artists playing in the new studio. I got a good feeling for this one Paul. Maybe a little Field of Dreams coming your way.. "if you build it they will come" 😊 Nice job 👍
Paul, I am just as excited as you. Ive finally started catching onto how room reflections and absorption work to make my left wall as LIVE as my right (which is much closer) Ive gotten two 70lb granite slabs and a huge mirror and learning a lot in no time! Cant wait wish you luck!
And now, here’s where we begin seeing where Flagship, and second tier “MID-FI” amplifiers, and loudspeakers work just as well as their high end denizens. In rooms, us ordinary slobs could only ever dream of owning. And this highlights the importance subwoofer/satellite systems in real-world sub-standard rooms where outrageously sized behemoth floorstanding speakers throw horrible explosive counterwaves everywhere!
Cu$$$$TOM rooms that really reduce, or flat-out eliminate EXTERNAL noise are then the goal of this last vestige of Old World relaxation the rich seem to throw around, like it’s nothing!🌹⚡️
Good to have a project! im curious about the stuff that has been displaced, have you just economised on space?. I think while you are in the RUclips bubble a PS audio lounge is what you need, with a coffee shop, and your great sound systems, but where the human and lifestyle aspects are first, for meetings demos and casual vistitors, a PS Audio experience, even with say Competitor presence, particularly friends and other local audio businesses, I have made this coment before
Just curious as it has become most apparent that the listening room is at least as important as the speakers, when you were/are writing your books have you included one on building the perfect or best room possible for listening? Thanks Paul.
Sometimes the compromises one makes for whatever reason turn out better or may turn out worse. Live and learn. Will that be a single stretch of acoustic glass or will it be two or three panels? I mean, if single, how you gonna get it up there? Will you film that process. (Please?!?)
Hi, maybe you could also show some footage while moving all the gear into the recording room? Might be interesting, just kinda like you had the clips moving the IRS 5 😊
PSAudio is not a "good" sound company. Think about it. They are a "perfect sound" company. They invest time and resources into extending the reach of a discreet audio codec they want the world to keep on using (better than WAV/PCM) I would say the room ADDS an extra 30 percent to the enjoyment for me. And yet my enjoyment is still relative. Everything has its cost
2 reasons. First and foremost, after 3 years it became clear the expenses, which were running about $100K a year, were too high to justify renewing the lease. Second, we wanted to consolidate to one room for tracking and mixing and one that would sonically match the final Listening Lab. Now that we've moved, it was the right move. We have eliminated $100K in expense and the sound a room is way better.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Really it's been 3 years? Seems like yesterday. I was going to ask the same question. Now I'm wondering if the desired bass leak is going to impact other parts of the building. One thing we don't get from the videos is the scale of your building.
That split has got to go and get in a dedicated HVAC solution with an air handler suitably meters away. And the rooms not done and you are talking diffusers. Maybe all your expertise and audio knowledge can create a room that may not even need a diffuser like some of those extraordinary theatre’s they are building and engineering on a scale that leaves me amazed. I’m sure you have more surprises for us but that solid floor i was surprised but I’m sure you will make it great.
If that is a window, you need your acoustical consultants on site. It is constructed wrong. Both sides of the wall should be independent it has been bridged with drywall there should a sealed compliant gap between the two sides. Who knows what else was done, I would tear the wall open now to inspect. The problem with acoustical assemblies is it just takes one tradesperson with "a better idea" to ruin a wall. You have to inspect the work everyday or at least get photos during each step to the review construction in a timely manner. That window is going to cost at least 100K. Windows and doors in a studio are as much fun as windows and doors in a submarine.
Tradesperson with "a better idea"...yeah, we dealt with this all through the build of Catamount Recording back in early 2000's. You are quite right about the isolation gap, that was the first thing I thought when the video popped up. And that is a huge window = big bucks!
@@snozzberrie We go through it with every studio. It was really difficult during covid having to rely on daily photos. We had to go back and correct things. Every trade gets their chance to defeat the isolation - electrical, plumbing, fire sprinklers, HVAC, framers, millworker, and dry wallers. Ok maybe the painters are safe, they will just get paint on the window.
I'm pretty sure the listening room is not directly downstairs from this new studio, when he says downstairs he just means on that level. He's said in a previous video that the people working below listening room 3 could always here when it was in use so I'm guessing it's office space for ps audio
So if you make the 'perfect' recording, and get 'perfect' reproduction in your new listening lab, wont that mean it will sound exactly like listening room 2, that you just berated.
No, because in recording, we rarely get the room. Most of what we record is close miked enough that the room doesn't play a part. Also, when you see the finished room, you'll understand more of what we did to make it a better room.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Was just stirring. Although a video about the differences of a close miked studio recording verses a recorded live performance where you get all the details of where they are standing etc. the sound stage, as reproducing that latter is so often talked about when discussing 'high end' 99% of what I listen to is close miked and the sound stage at my end is just where the recording engineer put the pan pot.
I hate ti be the bearer of bad news but the issues that plauged music room 3 are going to cause issues in your recordings. You falsely believe that music room 3's leakage will have a posative effect but you are negleting the fact that the "leakage" is caused by resonant frequencie in the floor that will inevitably cause issues during the recording process.
I've been told that in the Dakota Apartments (NYC, Central Park Wedt) some of the walls are three FEET thick. Those are supposed to be filled with clay that was excavated during the construction of Central Park. Sorry, Paul, but your walls just aren't world class. 😮😅
Now all you need is something worth listening to, to record, have not seen anything made that is actually listenable. It's swill in DSD. Find some real music will ya?
So the studio that took so much effort and money a few years ago is being replaced by yet another unprofitable construct. Those who buy PS products get to --- no, they Have to --- pay for that through higher prices. Right? Don't try to tell me otherwise.
Maybe? Maybe not? Some costs are just absorbed by the manufacturer.. I make and sell guitar pickups.. I've never charged a cent for instance, for the R&D in the price..That said, I won't disclose specs people ask me daily for...
Either Paul is lying about the amount of money the company makes "we're a very small business" or he really is the victim of his own ADHD/OCD and pisses it away for "fun". They just built an entire studio, and before that, 3 listening rooms, and "oh well! time to change it around!" Or they have money to burn and appeasing the whims of Paul is just part of the "cost" of doing business. (in addition to "not pricing R&D into products, lol)
Great to see you are investing in an even better record studio!
I really hope it continues to capture more and more great musicians. Keep up the good work, congratulations !
Love to see some classic veteran Jazz artists playing in the new studio. I got a good feeling for this one Paul. Maybe a little Field of Dreams coming your way.. "if you build it they will come" 😊 Nice job 👍
Exciting news! Hope this will be as great as the other studio.
Thanks. It's already better! Stay tuned.
Paul, I am just as excited as you. Ive finally started catching onto how room reflections and absorption work to make my left wall as LIVE as my right (which is much closer)
Ive gotten two 70lb granite slabs and a huge mirror and learning a lot in no time!
Cant wait wish you luck!
Paul I think it's going to be awesome!! Love the videos!!
🤗😎👏👏👏 EXPERIENCE IS THE BEST TEACHER 😅 but also more expensive … hope to visit someday💚💚💚
Well, SOMEONE is excited! We'll be watching when it's all done and functioning.
Congrats on the new space PS Audio
Neat. Congratulations on getting this done.
And now, here’s where we begin seeing where Flagship, and second tier “MID-FI” amplifiers, and loudspeakers work just as well as their high end denizens. In rooms, us ordinary slobs could only ever dream of owning. And this highlights the importance subwoofer/satellite systems in real-world sub-standard rooms where outrageously sized behemoth floorstanding speakers throw horrible explosive counterwaves everywhere!
Cu$$$$TOM rooms that really reduce, or flat-out eliminate EXTERNAL noise are then the goal of this last vestige of Old World relaxation the rich seem to throw around, like it’s nothing!🌹⚡️
Good to have a project! im curious about the stuff that has been displaced, have you just economised on space?.
I think while you are in the RUclips bubble a PS audio lounge is what you need, with a coffee shop, and your great sound systems, but where the human and lifestyle aspects are first, for meetings demos and casual vistitors, a PS Audio experience, even with say Competitor presence, particularly friends and other local audio businesses,
I have made this coment before
Oooh, you should add contact mics on the floor as well!
Add the floor to the mix!....can't get any better when it comes to imaging.
What happened to the other studio and all the big plans etc. I must have missed something….
A/C in DSD will be awesome!
Just curious as it has become most apparent that the listening room is at least as important as the speakers, when you were/are writing your books have you included one on building the perfect or best room possible for listening? Thanks Paul.
🎼🎙
You recently built a new studio, why did you feel you had to build a new one?
Paul lost the lease on the original studio.
@@joeythedime1838 Really? What happened?! Did they get complaints from the neighbours? :D
Sometimes the compromises one makes for whatever reason turn out better or may turn out worse. Live and learn.
Will that be a single stretch of acoustic glass or will it be two or three panels? I mean, if single, how you gonna get it up there? Will you film that process. (Please?!?)
Hi, maybe you could also show some footage while moving all the gear into the recording room? Might be interesting, just kinda like you had the clips moving the IRS 5 😊
Looking forward to new exciting recordings from Octave Records
AMAZING SUFF!!!
I'm excited that Paul is excited!
So good sound is what % of the room vers what % is quality of the equipment??
PSAudio is not a "good" sound company. Think about it. They are a "perfect sound" company. They invest time and resources into extending the reach of a discreet audio codec they want the world to keep on using (better than WAV/PCM)
I would say the room ADDS an extra 30 percent to the enjoyment for me. And yet my enjoyment is still relative. Everything has its cost
What kind of monitor speakers are they going to use in the control room?
Will that long glass window creates separate acoustic problems? how do you take care of it ? thanks
Perfect answer😎
Do all the wall sockets in the instrument room have power regenerators installed Paul?😅
All equipment is fed by Power Plant regenerators, yes.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio I had a feeling .Great stuff.Thanks.
Nice😄!
That large window could be nasty if the glass is not super thick.
1"thick bulletproof glass. It's amazing.
@ I feel pure ENVY.
If you find resonance after installation, you can always section it into three.
It sure beats chicken wire! 😂
Got to wonder if the walls got wired with something special for power or just regular romex
I think Paul has individual wires for hot neutral and ground, not Romex style wire, where all wires are in the same sheath.
@@mitchtaylor6512 oy vey, and this does what now? Holy moley
How do you handle the wall mounted AC plastic panel rattling noise on low frequencies? 🙂
Well done!
At the entrance a sign:
PCM TALIBANS
STAY AWAY
😀
Just curious why you didn't stay in the other building you paid so much to configure for Octave records?
2 reasons. First and foremost, after 3 years it became clear the expenses, which were running about $100K a year, were too high to justify renewing the lease. Second, we wanted to consolidate to one room for tracking and mixing and one that would sonically match the final Listening Lab. Now that we've moved, it was the right move. We have eliminated $100K in expense and the sound a room is way better.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Really it's been 3 years? Seems like yesterday. I was going to ask the same question. Now I'm wondering if the desired bass leak is going to impact other parts of the building. One thing we don't get from the videos is the scale of your building.
That split has got to go and get in a dedicated HVAC solution with an air handler suitably meters away. And the rooms not done and you are talking diffusers. Maybe all your expertise and audio knowledge can create a room that may not even need a diffuser like some of those extraordinary theatre’s they are building and engineering on a scale that leaves me amazed. I’m sure you have more surprises for us but that solid floor i was surprised but I’m sure you will make it great.
If that is a window, you need your acoustical consultants on site. It is constructed wrong. Both sides of the wall should be independent it has been bridged with drywall there should a sealed compliant gap between the two sides. Who knows what else was done, I would tear the wall open now to inspect. The problem with acoustical assemblies is it just takes one tradesperson with "a better idea" to ruin a wall. You have to inspect the work everyday or at least get photos during each step to the review construction in a timely manner. That window is going to cost at least 100K. Windows and doors in a studio are as much fun as windows and doors in a submarine.
Agreed
Incredulous
Tradesperson with "a better idea"...yeah, we dealt with this all through the build of Catamount Recording back in early 2000's. You are quite right about the isolation gap, that was the first thing I thought when the video popped up. And that is a huge window = big bucks!
@@snozzberrie We go through it with every studio. It was really difficult during covid having to rely on daily photos. We had to go back and correct things. Every trade gets their chance to defeat the isolation - electrical, plumbing, fire sprinklers, HVAC, framers, millworker, and dry wallers. Ok maybe the painters are safe, they will just get paint on the window.
You should get acoustic fields to do your treatment
_abso lutely_
If the listening room is downstairs and the studio is above it a on a suspended floor, will they interfere with one another?
I'm pretty sure the listening room is not directly downstairs from this new studio, when he says downstairs he just means on that level. He's said in a previous video that the people working below listening room 3 could always here when it was in use so I'm guessing it's office space for ps audio
Unless they're utilizing best practice isolation methods (and I doubt they are), high level LF will migrate between the spaces.
I hope you have an elevator to bring the Hammond and grand piano up.
Can the suspended floor influence the recording process ?
nice room
You should use carbon fiber wall outlet plates. They do a great job in filtering the thousands of miles of dirty copper cabling.
I could hear the difference
Is the Moog going into this studio?
What do you think about products that ordinary people can afford, instead of showrooms?
What's an "ordinary" person?
@ worker
how about a cd of a jazz singer?
I wish dealing with DSD downloads and decoding was easier , it needs streaming ability .
So if you make the 'perfect' recording, and get 'perfect' reproduction in your new listening lab, wont that mean it will sound exactly like listening room 2, that you just berated.
No, because in recording, we rarely get the room. Most of what we record is close miked enough that the room doesn't play a part. Also, when you see the finished room, you'll understand more of what we did to make it a better room.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Was just stirring.
Although a video about the differences of a close miked studio recording verses a recorded live performance where you get all the details of where they are standing etc. the sound stage, as reproducing that latter is so often talked about when discussing 'high end'
99% of what I listen to is close miked and the sound stage at my end is just where the recording engineer put the pan pot.
Where is everyone? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At home. Paul shoots this on Saturday.
You beat me! ❤
@@dylnjshua4256
Did you underestimate me?!? 🤓
Did you underestimate me?!? 🤓
@@unclewilbur8976 who are you The internet Talking back at me Stop that,
I hate ti be the bearer of bad news but the issues that plauged music room 3 are going to cause issues in your recordings.
You falsely believe that music room 3's leakage will have a posative effect but you are negleting the fact that the "leakage" is caused by resonant frequencie in the floor that will inevitably cause issues during the recording process.
I've been told that in the Dakota Apartments (NYC, Central Park Wedt) some of the walls are three FEET thick. Those are supposed to be filled with clay that was excavated during the construction of Central Park. Sorry, Paul, but your walls just aren't world class. 😮😅
heheh excellent smithers
Now all you need is something worth listening to, to record, have not seen anything made that is actually listenable. It's swill in DSD. Find some real music will ya?
So why should I be interested in this? Frankly Scarlet, I don’t give a damn.
So the studio that took so much effort and money a few years ago is being replaced by yet another unprofitable construct. Those who buy PS products get to --- no, they Have to --- pay for that through higher prices.
Right?
Don't try to tell me otherwise.
Maybe? Maybe not? Some costs are just absorbed by the manufacturer..
I make and sell guitar pickups.. I've never charged a cent for instance, for the R&D in the price..That said, I won't disclose specs people ask me daily for...
this will reduce their costs..... they OWN this building.
Either Paul is lying about the amount of money the company makes "we're a very small business" or he really is the victim of his own ADHD/OCD and pisses it away for "fun". They just built an entire studio, and before that, 3 listening rooms, and "oh well! time to change it around!" Or they have money to burn and appeasing the whims of Paul is just part of the "cost" of doing business. (in addition to "not pricing R&D into products, lol)
You don't have to buy, if you think the cost of their products are too expensive.
@@mitchtaylor6512 As a matter of fact I doubt I will ever be able to afford any new equipment again, pretty well isolating me from the problem.