Wow, holy cow. I just got into Craftworld Eldar as an army (always been into the aesthetic and lore, but havent had the itch to play them on tabletop) the other week, and now RUclips recommends this channel. Gonna spend the next few weeks or so binging your content - this is just what I needed!
What a fantastic guide! So many content creators do things like tier lists, which are fine as click bait but don't help players understand how or why a unit is ranked highly, under what circumstances it will perform well and most of all how to join up your choices into a cohesive army with a concrete plan, rather than ending up with a random assortment of units that are efficient individually but that pull in different directions and fail to achieve real in-game goals.
Yes! Been waiting so long for this hahaha. Literally just got in from work to sit down and do painting when I get this notification. Its guna be a belter night
I'm very interested in your thoughts on Shadow Spectres; I use three units of 5 to deepstrike in, and I try to use them as both trading and objective-nabbing units. I've only had limited success with them though, as they rarely tend to trade favorably and they die too easily to have play for multi-turn objective holding. I wonder if that's because I'm trying to think of them as both target elimination and secondary objective players. Any thoughts on doing a deep dive on Spectres one of these times? Do you basically just think of them as Warp Spiders; there to nab engage and RoD, and avoid any conflict?
Hi! A Shadow Spectre video is a good suggestion. If your current build isn't working, you might find it more effective to include a single squad and rely on it for target elimination exclusively rather than secondary scoring also. Because of the Blast profile, Spectres are a powerful tool against a variety of targets, but they are fragile for their points and so in some matchups will not perform. You can mitigate this with "fire and fade" and careful deployment, but more than a single unit of 5-7 is too much of a gamble in my opinion.
Shadow spectres are amazing ! I use 2 x5 units 1 to deep strike and one to fly up and bully this that are weaker than my weapon strength And using fire and fade to increase there survivability
I've found that net listing gives me a good basis as to what I want to play. I then have to play the list multiple times to make changes to it so it fits the way I want to play. It takes some time, but I will eventually land on what I like, don't like, and need to change.
Oh for sure- net lists are helpful; I just don't think they provide a useful alternative to developing good list building skills. I too take a careful look at Craftworlds lists that do well.
Do we have craftworld attributes on auxiliary heavy support for the wraithknight in 9th edition ? (On Battle scribe application it does let me put them, but on some reddit posts it says you cannot)
I've been playing a lot of Eldar Narrative games recently and running a heavy corsair focus list. My question to you is if Corsairs with their current rules were legal in competetive, would they be a meta troops choice pick in Craftworld armies. For example I run squads of 5 for 45points. making them the cheapest troop choice while also putting out 20 shots at 24" range. Not to mention you can upgrade them with Dark lances and splinter cannons which I often do.
Yeah, it's a great question. Full disclosure though: even in narrative casual games, I have not run Corsairs, so I am definitely not an authority on this. (If Corsairs ever become matched play legal, I definitely will try them out; I love the lore.) But yes, based on what's in the rules alone, I think you are right. MSU Corsair troop units look really good for their points.
Ugh- sorry, I only just saw this. Wraithlords are tough at the moment because they are expensive and have no invuln save, but the best build is probably either Starcannons or Brightlances with expert crafters. The glaive looks really cool, but in more competitive games really isn't worth the extra points. The fists hit plenty hard. Don't bother with the flamers.
Hi Brent! Thank you for the very helpful guides, is there any chance you would do a video on listbuilding at lower point levels? I have a friend that prefers 1k and I find that units sometimes have different value at 1k than 2k. I’d love to hear your thoughts on it.
Hi Cory! I have been thinking about that very thing actually. I am hoping to do a video soon that will focus on both 500 point and 1000 point lists respectively. In the meantime, you might check out my blog post about 500pt Craftworld Lists. It's slightly out of date in terms of point values and the names for various secondaries, but the principals all hold: craftworldeldar.com/2020/09/02/an-exclusive-engagement-how-to-assemble-a-craftworlds-combat-patrol/
The best way I've found to do banshees is 3 squads of 5 in a ynarri detachment. Ynarri doom, the +1 to hit on the charge, and the executioner spam seems to be the only thing that makes them not terrible. I think a craftworlds ynarri detachment can fix a lot of fire and fade problems by offering a second fire and fade. The ynarri guide power can help here too. The only issue is that ynarri units can't interact with asuryani doom and jinx in any way, so you'd have to make sure you are separating your fire anyways to make the ynarri detachment worthwhile. In other words, if your asuryani dark reapers are able to wipe the jinxed and doomed unit by themselves, it makes sense to have ynarri war walkers fire and fading another unit
Unfortunately you don't get to fire and fade a craftworld unit and a ynnari unit - the stratagem can only be used once each phase because it has the same name. Sometimes they are differently named though (craftworlds and harlequins both have a stratagem to advance 6" automatically for example), then you can use both in the same phase.
I have taken your teachings, and applied them. I won my first game a few weeks ago, off the back of my Wraithseer. Thank you. Also when will the give-away winners be announced sir?
Loving this channel ❤ Could you give an opinion/mockery of this list i had an idea for? I've always wanted to do a Maiden World/wood Eldar army. Eldar: Farseer on jet bike. Singing spear. Farseer on jet bike singing spear Troops 5x 5 man Ranger squad. Dire avengers. 10 models, exarch with shimmer field and power glaive. Fast attack. 3 x shining spears. 5 riders with exarch and laser lance. 2x vypers. 3 vypers, brightlance and shuriken cannon. Heavy support. 2 war walkers. 4 bright lances 2 war walkers 4 bright lances. Dedicated transport. Wave serpant: Twin shuriken cannon, Shuriken cannon 1990points
What cool thematic idea for a list! If you run it with Expert Crafters and Hunters of Ancient Relics, it will be hard hitting- and all those scouts can help score Octarius Data and Engage on all Fronts. The place you will run into trouble is primary objective control; nothing here can really take a punch. (keep in mind that Rangers were nerfed at the start of 9th Ed, so no longer have significant durability at range.) At the very least, I would get a Warlock Skyrunner in there to make use of Seer Council and Protect/J
@@WBConcilio I was thinking of using the expert Crafters and masters of Concealment, but I will try use the Hunters trait to see if I play better. Thank you
Great content as usual (your voice is very relaxing whilst painting lol). Got a question as well and would love your opinion: I'm playing against Morty in a local tournament soon (it's my first time though I have a fair amount of experience in 9th). Do you think I'm best of ignoring him completely or should I go in and kill him (as a general game plan). As of units in my list that could hurt him: I'm running 3x3 Dark Reapers (with the Tempest Launcher Exarchs), 11 Fusion pistols on Quin Troupes, 2 Wraithseers with Smite and D-Cannons and of course the Death Jester who will make him -2 to move every turn haha I haven't played this opponent though one of my buddies did and said he likes to use Morty pretty aggressively. Cheers!
Yeah, it's a good question and frankly the answer depends on what else your opponent is running and how big a threat Morty is to your ability to score. On the downside, much of what you have- like those Reapers- can't easily outmaneuver and outrun him. On the upside, the -2 to move is pretty powerful, especially in combination with the "Phantasm" stratagem to trick your opponent into poor positioning on turn 1, (depending on the mission.) If you do go with ignoring him, be careful not to give him easy 7 or 8 inch charges that will move him across the table early. Keeping Morty out of the game for 1 extra turn is usually enough. I think this is probably the play; it's usually my move with both Morty and Magnus. Focus on killing the scoring units- especially Pox Walkers- and win on points. If you do decide to kill him, Jinx is essential. The fusion pistols are swingy- they might do it for you, or they might not. Massed Shuriken fire is also pretty good against Morty if you get DOOM on him. Best of luck! DG is always a challenging match up.
@@WBConcilio Thanks for the reply! He's running 2 Crawlers, Deathshrouds and some Poxwalkers (might have a drone in there as well). I think I'll go with the ignore play. The redeploy is a great point! Could set up my main Craftworld units on one side and the Quin Boats on the other... and then just reposition either of them if I get second turn. Or just fly the boats away as they're so fast.
Can anyone confirm how the mandiblasters ability works with Striking Scorpions? Am I rolling 1 D6 for every Scorpion I have alive or 1 D6 for each enemy model in the unit?
@@WBConcilio Thank you for clarifying! Last question if I may, it’s states this ability is used at the start of the fight phase, I assume that can be at the start of an enemies fight phase? EG my scorpions get charged by an enemy unit, they can use their mandiblaster ability before any attacks are resolved?
Okay, this is kinda cool thinking of synergies now. So I have a unit of Fire Dragons that normally use your F&F drive by tactics. But I also use a 10 elf unit of Dark Reapers that hangs out with my farseer on the back line. I’m facing down space wolves with high invulnerable save and powerful melee. Should I still run both? Also I appreciate you doing the non-binary thing every once and awhile. Great video as always!
Oooo... Dragons struggle against Wolves as anything other than a trading unit. If it were me, I would do 3 MSU Reaper units with Crafters and Rapid Shot and leave the Dragons home for that one.
If they have deep striking units you can use F&F on both units if dstrike that unit. There is a weird combo where fire fade the the dragons and you have a gardener within 6 inches of the dark reapers. He deepstrike, you forewarned the reapers and then fire fade them back
It's absolutely indefensible that Howling Banshees, at $11 per model and being one of the VERY few up-to-date Craftworlds sculpts, have such terrible rules.
@@WBConcilio Oh? What do you know? Because even the "leaked release schedule" has GSC, Custodes, Tau, CSM and Chaos Knights before us... But yeah, when it does eventually happen, I'm convinced it will be a good one.
@@pancakemogul There are multiple "leaked release schedules" floating around. Some of them show CWE after January but before May. In any event, it's a matter of months.
@@WBConcilio I see. Perhaps you could do a video on models you predict will get an update, so new players would know which models are "safe" to buy right now. Anyway, thanks for replying. I'll come back later with my Jain Zar rant.
Wow, holy cow. I just got into Craftworld Eldar as an army (always been into the aesthetic and lore, but havent had the itch to play them on tabletop) the other week, and now RUclips recommends this channel. Gonna spend the next few weeks or so binging your content - this is just what I needed!
Thanks! And congratulations on taking the dive into space elves!
@@WBConcilio Wait they're elves!?!
Ohh nooo!! Where did my army list go? Guess I have to make eldar now, what a shame
@@zeldas_her080 Pointy ears, superiority complex, innately better at eveything, including aging, than anyone else. They're definitely elves.
@@WBConcilio I just ordered eldar start collecting box and Iyanden paints and got a combat patrol box of drukhari . And the new gav Thorpe book 📚
@@BrotherYusuf Fantastic!
What a fantastic guide! So many content creators do things like tier lists, which are fine as click bait but don't help players understand how or why a unit is ranked highly, under what circumstances it will perform well and most of all how to join up your choices into a cohesive army with a concrete plan, rather than ending up with a random assortment of units that are efficient individually but that pull in different directions and fail to achieve real in-game goals.
I was wondering if I’d missed this coming out! Glad to see it!!!
As a guy who's playing Yme-Loc with lots of Mecha I feel I may have stifled some options. This is a good refresher as I haven't played in a while.
Yes! Been waiting so long for this hahaha. Literally just got in from work to sit down and do painting when I get this notification. Its guna be a belter night
Good video again buddy! I am really hoping we get some love next year for our codex!
I'm very interested in your thoughts on Shadow Spectres; I use three units of 5 to deepstrike in, and I try to use them as both trading and objective-nabbing units. I've only had limited success with them though, as they rarely tend to trade favorably and they die too easily to have play for multi-turn objective holding. I wonder if that's because I'm trying to think of them as both target elimination and secondary objective players. Any thoughts on doing a deep dive on Spectres one of these times? Do you basically just think of them as Warp Spiders; there to nab engage and RoD, and avoid any conflict?
Hi! A Shadow Spectre video is a good suggestion. If your current build isn't working, you might find it more effective to include a single squad and rely on it for target elimination exclusively rather than secondary scoring also. Because of the Blast profile, Spectres are a powerful tool against a variety of targets, but they are fragile for their points and so in some matchups will not perform. You can mitigate this with "fire and fade" and careful deployment, but more than a single unit of 5-7 is too much of a gamble in my opinion.
Shadow spectres are amazing !
I use 2 x5 units 1 to deep strike and one to fly up and bully this that are weaker than my weapon strength
And using fire and fade to increase there survivability
Fantastic Video, Brent
Thank you!
I've found that net listing gives me a good basis as to what I want to play. I then have to play the list multiple times to make changes to it so it fits the way I want to play. It takes some time, but I will eventually land on what I like, don't like, and need to change.
Oh for sure- net lists are helpful; I just don't think they provide a useful alternative to developing good list building skills. I too take a careful look at Craftworlds lists that do well.
Leaving a second comment cuz I can’t thank you enough for these guides.
Hahaha- thanks Jordan. This totally makes my day.
Love it Brent. You rock!
Do we have craftworld attributes on auxiliary heavy support for the wraithknight in 9th edition ? (On Battle scribe application it does let me put them, but on some reddit posts it says you cannot)
Nope- sadly the rulebook says no. (I missed that for the first several months of 9th.)
@@WBConcilio Alright, yep, that's bad. Exceptionally well explained tutorials, your work is awesome!
I've been playing a lot of Eldar Narrative games recently and running a heavy corsair focus list. My question to you is if Corsairs with their current rules were legal in competetive, would they be a meta troops choice pick in Craftworld armies. For example I run squads of 5 for 45points. making them the cheapest troop choice while also putting out 20 shots at 24" range. Not to mention you can upgrade them with Dark lances and splinter cannons which I often do.
Yeah, it's a great question. Full disclosure though: even in narrative casual games, I have not run Corsairs, so I am definitely not an authority on this. (If Corsairs ever become matched play legal, I definitely will try them out; I love the lore.)
But yes, based on what's in the rules alone, I think you are right. MSU Corsair troop units look really good for their points.
What would you suggest taking on wraitlords, I’m running a wraith host so trying to nail them down
Ugh- sorry, I only just saw this. Wraithlords are tough at the moment because they are expensive and have no invuln save, but the best build is probably either Starcannons or Brightlances with expert crafters. The glaive looks really cool, but in more competitive games really isn't worth the extra points. The fists hit plenty hard. Don't bother with the flamers.
Hi Brent! Thank you for the very helpful guides, is there any chance you would do a video on listbuilding at lower point levels? I have a friend that prefers 1k and I find that units sometimes have different value at 1k than 2k. I’d love to hear your thoughts on it.
Hi Cory! I have been thinking about that very thing actually. I am hoping to do a video soon that will focus on both 500 point and 1000 point lists respectively. In the meantime, you might check out my blog post about 500pt Craftworld Lists. It's slightly out of date in terms of point values and the names for various secondaries, but the principals all hold: craftworldeldar.com/2020/09/02/an-exclusive-engagement-how-to-assemble-a-craftworlds-combat-patrol/
@@WBConcilio I look forward to it, I will certainly check out the article!
The best way I've found to do banshees is 3 squads of 5 in a ynarri detachment. Ynarri doom, the +1 to hit on the charge, and the executioner spam seems to be the only thing that makes them not terrible.
I think a craftworlds ynarri detachment can fix a lot of fire and fade problems by offering a second fire and fade. The ynarri guide power can help here too.
The only issue is that ynarri units can't interact with asuryani doom and jinx in any way, so you'd have to make sure you are separating your fire anyways to make the ynarri detachment worthwhile. In other words, if your asuryani dark reapers are able to wipe the jinxed and doomed unit by themselves, it makes sense to have ynarri war walkers fire and fading another unit
Unfortunately you don't get to fire and fade a craftworld unit and a ynnari unit - the stratagem can only be used once each phase because it has the same name. Sometimes they are differently named though (craftworlds and harlequins both have a stratagem to advance 6" automatically for example), then you can use both in the same phase.
I have taken your teachings, and applied them. I won my first game a few weeks ago, off the back of my Wraithseer. Thank you. Also when will the give-away winners be announced sir?
The winners have been notified in the comments section on the giveaway video. I appreciate your participation in a big way though.
Loving this channel ❤
Could you give an opinion/mockery of this list i had an idea for? I've always wanted to do a Maiden World/wood Eldar army.
Eldar:
Farseer on jet bike. Singing spear.
Farseer on jet bike singing spear
Troops
5x 5 man Ranger squad.
Dire avengers. 10 models, exarch with shimmer field and power glaive.
Fast attack.
3 x shining spears. 5 riders with exarch and laser lance.
2x vypers. 3 vypers, brightlance and shuriken cannon.
Heavy support.
2 war walkers. 4 bright lances
2 war walkers 4 bright lances.
Dedicated transport.
Wave serpant: Twin shuriken cannon, Shuriken cannon
1990points
What cool thematic idea for a list! If you run it with Expert Crafters and Hunters of Ancient Relics, it will be hard hitting- and all those scouts can help score Octarius Data and Engage on all Fronts.
The place you will run into trouble is primary objective control; nothing here can really take a punch. (keep in mind that Rangers were nerfed at the start of 9th Ed, so no longer have significant durability at range.) At the very least, I would get a Warlock Skyrunner in there to make use of Seer Council and Protect/J
@@WBConcilio I was thinking of using the expert Crafters and masters of Concealment, but I will try use the Hunters trait to see if I play better. Thank you
Thanks for the content!
Great content as usual (your voice is very relaxing whilst painting lol). Got a question as well and would love your opinion: I'm playing against Morty in a local tournament soon (it's my first time though I have a fair amount of experience in 9th). Do you think I'm best of ignoring him completely or should I go in and kill him (as a general game plan).
As of units in my list that could hurt him: I'm running 3x3 Dark Reapers (with the Tempest Launcher Exarchs), 11 Fusion pistols on Quin Troupes, 2 Wraithseers with Smite and D-Cannons and of course the Death Jester who will make him -2 to move every turn haha
I haven't played this opponent though one of my buddies did and said he likes to use Morty pretty aggressively.
Cheers!
Yeah, it's a good question and frankly the answer depends on what else your opponent is running and how big a threat Morty is to your ability to score.
On the downside, much of what you have- like those Reapers- can't easily outmaneuver and outrun him. On the upside, the -2 to move is pretty powerful, especially in combination with the "Phantasm" stratagem to trick your opponent into poor positioning on turn 1, (depending on the mission.) If you do go with ignoring him, be careful not to give him easy 7 or 8 inch charges that will move him across the table early. Keeping Morty out of the game for 1 extra turn is usually enough. I think this is probably the play; it's usually my move with both Morty and Magnus. Focus on killing the scoring units- especially Pox Walkers- and win on points.
If you do decide to kill him, Jinx is essential. The fusion pistols are swingy- they might do it for you, or they might not. Massed Shuriken fire is also pretty good against Morty if you get DOOM on him.
Best of luck! DG is always a challenging match up.
@@WBConcilio Thanks for the reply! He's running 2 Crawlers, Deathshrouds and some Poxwalkers (might have a drone in there as well). I think I'll go with the ignore play.
The redeploy is a great point! Could set up my main Craftworld units on one side and the Quin Boats on the other... and then just reposition either of them if I get second turn. Or just fly the boats away as they're so fast.
Thanks again Brent
Can anyone confirm how the mandiblasters ability works with Striking Scorpions?
Am I rolling 1 D6 for every Scorpion I have alive or 1 D6 for each enemy model in the unit?
The first one
@@WBConcilio Thank you for clarifying!
Last question if I may, it’s states this ability is used at the start of the fight phase, I assume that can be at the start of an enemies fight phase?
EG my scorpions get charged by an enemy unit, they can use their mandiblaster ability before any attacks are resolved?
@@lukecunningham3666 Exactly right.
@@WBConcilio thank you!!
Okay, this is kinda cool thinking of synergies now. So I have a unit of Fire Dragons that normally use your F&F drive by tactics. But I also use a 10 elf unit of Dark Reapers that hangs out with my farseer on the back line. I’m facing down space wolves with high invulnerable save and powerful melee. Should I still run both?
Also I appreciate you doing the non-binary thing every once and awhile. Great video as always!
Oooo... Dragons struggle against Wolves as anything other than a trading unit. If it were me, I would do 3 MSU Reaper units with Crafters and Rapid Shot and leave the Dragons home for that one.
If they have deep striking units you can use F&F on both units if dstrike that unit. There is a weird combo where fire fade the the dragons and you have a gardener within 6 inches of the dark reapers. He deepstrike, you forewarned the reapers and then fire fade them back
Yeahhhhh babbbbyyyyy yeahhhhh
#1: go to the Eldar Care Facility. #2 put machine guns in their walkers.
Why you gotta call out our canadian archon like that? :)
Just to be clear: it wasn't Skari. I will reveal nothing. :)
It's absolutely indefensible that Howling Banshees, at $11 per model and being one of the VERY few up-to-date Craftworlds sculpts, have such terrible rules.
Agreed. Just hang on for a few more months
@@WBConcilio Oh? What do you know? Because even the "leaked release schedule" has GSC, Custodes, Tau, CSM and Chaos Knights before us...
But yeah, when it does eventually happen, I'm convinced it will be a good one.
@@pancakemogul There are multiple "leaked release schedules" floating around. Some of them show CWE after January but before May. In any event, it's a matter of months.
@@WBConcilio I see. Perhaps you could do a video on models you predict will get an update, so new players would know which models are "safe" to buy right now.
Anyway, thanks for replying. I'll come back later with my Jain Zar rant.
Dang. Not first comment. Booo.