No Rest for the Wicked | Nerf Mentality, Fixing Armor Issues, Making Enchanting Better & More!
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- No Rest for the Wicked | Nerf Mentality, Fixing Armor Issues, Making Enchanting Better & More!
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00:00 - Intro
00:30 - Adressing Nerf Mentailiy
03:16 - Fixing The Armor Issue
09:07 - Talking About Enchanting Fixes
18:06 - Outro
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Smart kid. I totally agree
Very good video! Loot 2.0 clearly needed for game balance and longevity. One point is missing for me: balance bonuses like focus/ health on damage dealt between 1-hander+offhand and 2-hander.
I agree the enchanting/customization is very simplistic.
I think your suggetions sound good.
Id might even go further with ”white affixes” also. We have things like sharpness, durability, stamina cost, impact/poise ”damage”. These could be brought into it. Like maybe one could craft the greatsword to cost less stamina, be quicker, but loose some dmg, poise dmg and durability. Etc.
Then add the enchant properties to it.
And like you say it would be awesome if one could craft a weapon bit by bit from a lvl 1 white weapon to eventually have it become a unique from all the crafting and enchanting.
I agree 100%. I think that another idea is to have stats doing more than one thing. Ex Str to increase equipment load by .25. So every 4 point of str also give you 1 of equipment load. Dex to increase armor, this will represent your ability to dodge/mitigate damage, and so on. I don't want to see nerf unless pvp is added to the game.
As Helldivers 2, nerfing is taking the fun away when the ability or Stat is rendered unless due to simply nerfing or disabling the ability all together.
what's super important is to be able to rearrange runes to different slots.
for example: at the moment the ''blink'' rune is placed on different buttons on several pre tuned weapons.
I would like to always have it on the same slot though.
would be nice QoL not super important tho
Enchant system is the most shallow system in this game, it’s sad. Also the affixes we got on gears are exact opposite of what those Dev keep “talking” in Rhykker’s interview.
agreed
I think also they really need to have the stats be needed for more things. Like you need strength to equip heavy armor, dex give certain bonuses etc.
Making the stats have impact on other relevant things will work against extreme min/maxing and in turn handle ”too strong” builds.
I think it would also make it more interesting.
Diablo 2 had a nice balance regarding this. Path of exile is also a good example.
Borrowing more from table top rpg games could also make it more interesting. DnD, Eon, Dragonsbane, GURP etc.
I’m enjoying the game 80 hours in, found some of the bosses challenging and still not got the final boss down, more my gameplay than needing a dev nerf
exactly
Character build system needs a big redesign. Currently all you have is picking str, dex, int or faith go for a weapon and use 1 or 2 runes. That's it. It is the character build!
They did say they're going to rework the stats system, so that may play into everyone dumping points into equipment load. That said, there is no reason in the game now to ever wear cloth armor, and leather is only useful when you're leveling and don't have a higher equipment load. I like the idea of armor types having intrinsics, for example all cloth armor should give focus regen rate, leather armor should give stamina regen rate, heavy armor should give health regen rate or flat health. Alternatively, they could make it so that those enchanting mods only roll on those types of armor.
Nerfnerfnerf, in other words fine tune stuff. At the moment the game is crazy imbalanced with many builds and most of them use focus-spam. So it's very clear that focus needs some changes if they want to keep that soulslike-aspect of the game. Also with a heavy imbalance in builds it will be near impossible to make good future content/challenges and so forth.
Since the game is in a very early stage, not sure what will happen with the talent trees ithink it's pretty darn good to tune stuff down for now. See how it goes and what people are able to build with restrictions.
I do like the armor thing, to add passive effects for light and medium but that all depends on how equip load will work in the future. If they tune that down, it will be a way bigger investment to use heavy armor hence maybe more balanced? Oh also crafting your own gear gotta be way cheaper since you after that need to enchant it and thats 100% random, but iam a enchant enjoyer thats pure gambling :D.
Yeah about the armor/weight problem I like how they do it in games like new world
less armor means more damage inflicted to enemies, more healing for yourself and more dash/speed
more armor means less damage taken, slower movement, less healing, less dash but less prone to be crowd controlled or knocked back
this would be better for a pvp mentality also
I'm fan of Last Epochs crafting system ( minus the legend slot rng grind ). Would like to see something along those lines.
same i want to say this in a video! I think its pretty player friendly and have enough compleity to scrtch that itch of players who want to push good gear
I agree on most points except affixes. Niche or useless affixes are good. you need some way to dilute the pool or else everything is good so nothing is good.
im fine with useless affixes i just dont hink a affix like reflect damage should be so rng, but you're right bad affixes are good in moderation and when player have the ability to use them all not just a limited set of them.
I dunno. I decided to try out a Faith/Int build yesterday so made an alt and equipped the Sinner's Crown which only requires 16 of both stats. Upgraded it as much as I could (before it gets to the rarer upgrade mats like bear paws) and now the thing is literally one shotting every regular mob in the game. Some things definitely do need nerfs of some kind. I don't think this is working as intended. We'll see if it holds up though once I get to the Crucible.
Improving the town and beating the bosses in each region make the game harder. Raisning the level cap of local mobs to 15-20. Including that you will be hitting level 30 at max level. Consider this as well.
I really like enchant you just buy a lot of the same item and enchant until you get best roll for your build and hope you don't get a bad curse, like halves your focus.
I agree with enchanting being to random, the pool of choices should be reduced based on attributes selected for characters….
Your idea for enchanting at the end is exactly the same as the chip iinsert system. you said if you are a firemage you could get a percent fire increase but you can already do that with a slot and a chipped ruby. How is buying the same affix with a currency any better? I do wish they had more variety of things to slot in because it would be great to tailor things more.
I haven't been happy with majority of the enchants I've done. It gets disheartening and makes me put the game down. Only to pick it up again the next day and play some more
Shit, - killed all the monsters on the first level, but the boss to kill can not - and how to develop, if all the monsters are dead - there in Lords og the fallen - after each death of the hero all the monsters come to life - build up the level of the character as much as you can. What to do?????
Make heal on hit and being hit (including giving dmg back) great again. Taking away the fun from this was a huge blow for me.
Everyone else is now powerful enough to run through the last boss, and it's okay, while my build got smited from orbit for the same reason. Does anyone feel the same?
It still works, in fact it's the one I'm using right now and I'm immortal
In all parts of the armor: 14% health with damage received and the same or 14% stamina, then you use the rings that consume concentration in exchange for life, the ring that damages you when you deal damage, the third is optional but I use the one with the most damage and armor, and all that remains is to look for a weapon that generates life and stamina refill
😩 I can’t do nothing with all this videos cause the game is not fully out and it’s not out on PS5 that is where I would play , they don’t even have a release date 😮 and hear about all this negative things of up dates hmmm its really killing my mood to buy once is available if will be available 😮💨
Bro trust people who make these videos to get views and repeat what they read on Reddit, I'm playing right now and it is amazing and so much fun, def don't take what people say as the truth
soon brother soon
Agreed. It's fun at all points of the game.
i was excited when i found out the crucible was gonna be a roguelike mode since i love roguelikes/lites and its nothing like that at the moment, just plain old boring the same 10 floors nothing changes except mob spawn locations and there arent even perks and other rogue systems like that that would make it fun and a real roguelike/lite
it was just wrong to call it like that in the description, they fooled me so much very misleading atm... that is if they keep it like that, if they manage to update it meaningfully to be able to call it a roguelike/lite then its great but right now, its just boring endgame, as an early access
They said that it will become this. They have not worked out all of the kinks yet. They are thinking of a Hades/Rotwood type temp buffs for the rooms and similar rouglike elements for the future.
If something is relatively significantly stronger than the norm, then it should be nerfed. End of discussion. That said, this is a PvE game (for now) so balancing doesn't really matter. If you want a replayable and polished game though there shouldn't be anything that is the obvious choice that you'd be stupid to not use.
Arpgs the player should always feel powerful but challenged. Nerfs are just a lazy way of increasing the challenge of a game
wtf dude. what weapon is it?! omg
which one?
You are crazy
No you are
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The entire discussion about armor is meaningless if you dont nerf current one button spamming that occurs at level 20 or ealier. I think the community are expecting a methodical souls like gameplay. That is true only for the first 10 hours. Thrn it becomes single button Diablo style gameplay. Ultimately I dont care what the devs do, it's their game. But if their intent is to have combat be soulslike then they need to fix it. This is achieved through balance. Balancing requires buffing or nerfing skills to balance the various skills. There is no incentive to use any skill other than a rune attack that is spammable because they currently stunlock the bosses or one shot everything else. THIS IS ALL ACHIEVABLE VERY EARLY IN ACT 1. That is clearly a power balance problem that needs to be addressed if you want to maintain a soulslike game experience.
the player has complete control over there power level. If you want it harder don't level yourself, your weapons, don't wear armor. You can make it as hard as you want. I still have levels I haven't used and I have played for well over a hundred hours.
So you have to nerf yourself because of game is not able to? That sounds very stupid. You can always make your experience harder but balanced mechanics must be there in any case.
@@briandhackneyso basically don't use runes??? What's the point of the game then? Maybe I should play blind folded? Run around naked? C'mon that's garbage.
These people don't understand what balance is. They see nerfing stuff as the devil and alienize people who want a more balanced experience through buffs AND nerfs.
I want to be able to get to the point where I can run people through due to my gear. I say this as if I earned the equipment and thought that dedication and grinding would be able to do this. So I say it's fine due to the game not being at full release. Including how, right now, the max level for enemies in the regions is level 15-20. So crushing them should be normal.
But I don't think the devs are open enough regarding their thoughts and intentions for the game and how it should be in the current state.
Yeah im a light armor user... dashing and not getting hit = better than slow boy getting hit. At 700 armor and fat rolling I seem to have a 50% decrease from attacks that arent elemental. Go into echo knight fight who does a lot of plague damage and my armor basically didn't matter. So I went back to light armor with focus and hp gain on hit. Now I am a god.. Now I cannot die. Armor = useless.
i don't follow the official forum, but i thought it was the devs nerfing everything not the community asking for nerfs. I was going to write a bad review about the nerfs but i reminded myself its Early Access. The devs should take note that NERFing Killed Diablo 4 Season 1 and most of the following seasons.
yes 100% and i do beleive to some degree the devs read alot of what the communty says. ultimaly it is thier decision but i get the feeling the team is somewhat influanced by the chatter of the players. i think!
I am sorry but I have 2 level 30 characters and i have not managed to beat Echo Knight. I did not follow builds. And I cannot kill the last boss. I feel that the devs are focused on youtube vdeos showing off broken builds and then nerfing things while I am nowhere near killing the last boss. Now I just have given up. So either i am forced to follow content creators OP builds, or be content with leveling up and then stop playing which feels extremely dissatisfying. When i look at builds on youtube everything revolves around generating focus and using OP runes. So if you are not building for focus generation and OP runes, you are screwed. I really hope the devs will make the focus and rune builds less powerfull while making the core of the game stronger, which is dodgine, attacking with a weapon, parrying, etc. Its would be such a waste if the only viable builds are only based on focus generation and a couple of OP runes..
Create another path, I play with the armor and the rings, in the armor I look for them to give me 14% life when they damage me and 14% stamina the same, and after the rings use the ones that give life in exchange for focus, that's how you use an immortal build and you don't depend on focus.
yes
Buff mentality will ruin this game if the devs listen to people like you. But I am confident they won't so you can cry about OP things getting nerfed.
Relax, needs both. They shot down my build of giving dmg and recovering hp when hit or hitting an enemy. Instead of balancing it, the abilities no longer work or are too small to notice.
They are moving in extremes rather than real balancing. But they are just trying to have the game function, so I get it. Plus, the max level for mobs in the open world is 15-20, so it's hard to judge other than Crucible to an extent.
@@Yuzoawesome I also think it needs both. But when I said that in the forums to this youtuber (that balancing needs both nerfs and buffs) he did what he does and made up a name for it to alienate it "nerf mentality". He is mental.
The reason for the request for the nerf is because then this game just becomes Diablo, Path of Exiles, etc... and you basically see one button mashing while walking through mobs of enemies again. I hated those isometric ARPGs because they're BO{RING and silly. This was the first isometric ARPG I got in decades, the last was Champions of Norath, because it was more grounded and less cheesy as the one button Dynasty Warriors mob nukes. When No Rest for the Wicked becomes like other isometric ARPGs then it no longer has an identity. Bro, if you want to one button through foam enemies that aren't threatening go play Diablo 4. PLEASE don't advocate for making this game like those others.
That's not what he said at all. Game balance is key. You go nerfing it all In act one it just leads to constant adjusting as you balance new / late game content. We are currently min maxing our toons in act 1 of the game. The difficulty will come with more content. It's not going to be balanced that way in early access.
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Wrong, if it happens here at level 20s to 30s it will happen at any level because of power creep. The problem is abilities that allow button mashing in the first place AND incompetent enemies that can't react, like foam sponges from any other IARPG. It shouldn't be a thing to one button mash through enemies at ANY level, otherwise it will be possible at ALL levels eventually.
If the devs were smart they would take a look at the enemies and buff how they react to button mashing. FORCE players to interact and actually play the game. Or jsut take away effects on certain enemies like being frozen or make them less staggerable. And if they don't like that, there's a thousand one button mash IARPGs that already exist to play.
@@jasonrice6966 yes exactly this. players are asking for nerfs just like this guy you're talking too because they think at act 1 the player is too powerful. 2 acts later these are the same people asking for a buff because they were nerfed. its a sad vicious cycle that hold back the game since the devs have to constatnly adjust. Just as you said liek in diablo 4. it was a nerf fiesta.
@@FervorGamingand its players like them that ruin it for everyone else, buncha "imspecials" 🤣
@@FervorGaming You are a sad crazy youtuber who uses AI thumbnails and creates made up stuff like "nerf mentality" to alienize people who don't want to be OP in the game. You can not even begin to understand what developing and balancing a game is. Keep your slop content up.
Bros def just hating 😂 just spewing what he reads on twitter or reddit
what does this even mean hating? i have 200 hours in the game. you mean the 20 videos i posted about the game? dudes really just say random shit in chats these days huh?
With all respect, I kinda disagree. Once you get some good gear, you are quite literally an unkillable god. This game feels like if dark souls started off good, but you were able to acquire self healing, infinite focus, gear that makes you 4000% more powerful than every enemy in the game. To the point you can just walk through every encounter pressing R1 at worst, or endlessly spamming abilities.
IMO, they need to go back to the drawing board and consider if this is going to be either a dark souls hard and slow methodical combat system (what I personally hope for), or just another ability spam Diablo game. They need to half perks on gear to 2 max, cool downs on ability spam, remove health/focus gain on hit perk, and like nerf most of the rings by 50%- 70% in most cases ( one god rolled ring is like better than all 4 in dark souls combined). I enjoyed the first 10 hours of the game, and then it became Diablo combat. There’s no way to balance this when the difference between someone with ok gear VS god rolled gear is like a 10 fold margin in power.
Souls games gave you the ability to be god like too in its own way. Nerfing a game into the ground is never the answer, that is how you kill a game.
exactly as the person who replied to you said. right now in elden ring with not even near full upgraded gear i can 1 tap bosses with many many things. the problem is . as i pointed out in the video, is players keep associating what we have with the end game when in reality yopu're min maxing and facing the story mode. how can you make the determination that the player is too strong when we clear are no where near the end game. this was the entire point of calling out the silly nerf mentalilty.
@@FervorGaming Yep. I still think people who call for nerfs can easily nerf their own experience in whatever way and not ruin the power fantasy for everyone else by getting devs to nerf the crap out of everything. Look what happened to Diablo 4 as a result of that kind of stuff.
@@dhreed82 dark souls did not give you this much power imo, and you would almost never run into someone like that in coop. You could just dupe runes and build some glass cannon min max build for RUclips content, but doing so would soft lock you out of PvP in that zone. Mainly though, the game is structured completely differently in dark souls. You are meant to run through it once, then keep doing NG+ cycles, or create a few chars at different levels to coop at diff stages of the game. Ascending weapons or stats past a recommended area soft locks you out of PvP. The progression feels nice. NRFTW, seems like it wants you to endlessly keep farming for gear and materials and do dailies etc. Nerfing stuff does not kill a game, I don’t know what you are talking about. Destiny 2 constantly nerfs stuff and it’s managed to keep a fairly well balanced game for so long, most games actually do. Yes sometimes things obviously need to be buffed too, but just looking at the current state of the game I don’t know how you could conclude the balance is fine.
@@FervorGaming I can’t make any clear determination that the player is too strong or weak in end game, but neither can you, or anyone else. All I can do, is leave feedback on how the game is, right now, in its current early access state. Sure I’m min maxing in the sense I have put on the best loot I have found through my playthrough (and crucible runs), but is that not the entire point of a loot based game, for like everyone? Put on the best gear you have? I can speculate on endgame though. If you have a build (that is not hard to get) with some lifesteal/focussteal and healing bonus perks. All I have to do it survive the bosses strongest hit, then hit him like 3 times with a dagger and before the next boss attack I’m at full health, full focus etc. that won’t change in endgame as you have scaling stats that will keep your health/damage relative to the bosses. Infinite ability spam that will keep a boss 100% stunlocked is unlikely to change unless they do some balancing, or put cooldowns on abilities. I’m not saying this because I hate the game, I love it and want it to succeed, but I can’t even imagine how bad coop would be if they launched it tomorrow in this state. In the games current state, do you not think this is a bit too powerful or do you think its currently fine?
After 250 hrs, I quit. They are clearly ruining this game too soon and ill rather come back in 6 months. Its just not fun right now, too easy.
Nerf mentality sucks,o saw such cool builds and the next thing is see is nerfed!