I think one of the interesting things about listening to Seth is the way he talks about the OPM universe. He makes basically zero videos about it and just NEVER touches OPM in longer-style videos (aside from his Goku vs Saitama video), but you can tell that he not only keeps up with it, but he also respects the feats of power from OPM. I imagine he'll do some more OPM scaling as the series gets closer to its end and we start to see more and more of what Saitama can do when he gets actually serious.
I like Gaara n this matchup only thing I would have to say and haku favor that actually could turn the tide is that he uses ice style so I'm pretty sure that he has water style so I think that he will have the elemental advantage over Gaara I never really seen gara go up against a water type but I would think that water would be stronger against sand and make sand let's effective
I saw this question over at DBZImran's community post. Who would win between Gojo, Urahara, and DMS Kakashi. I'm just gonna assume that they can see and hit Urahara. Most people there say Urahara wins because he plans so far ahead he'd counter every single moves they made. But I can see DMs Kakashi wins despite the time limit because he blitzed Kaguya. What do you guys think?
I'd say Gojo is out first since both Urahara and Kakashi have attacks Infinity can't stop and outstat him badly. Urahara Vs. Kakashi is a lot closer but I'd give it to Kakashi since a lot of Urahara's moves are designed around restraining an opponent, which won't work against Kakashi thanks to Kamui. Kakashi also should be faster
@@ningenslayer6306 The thing is, I'm sure Urahara will manage to figure something out because he's Urahara. But I dunno because DMS Kakashi is so fast (he blitzed Kaguya) and his attacks ignores durability. Unless you think that Kannonbiraki Benihime Aratame and make Urahara hurt intangible beings
@@jeromewilson1048 Given how he blitzed Kaguya, I think it’s in the cards, especially given his attacks after larger and have superior AoE. Also I know that’s not Urahara’s ability, it’s just that some of his notable abilities work by doing so
It's such a shame that super Prodigy young ninjas like Kimimaro, Itachi and Haku never got to unravel their full potential mostly due to plot bs like having some incurable degenerative disease even though these same guys can easily bust a country to smithereens(or in haku's case being a omega level simp) I think if those super prodigies were allowed to evolve and hone their abilities more they'd become New madaras or even stronger than madara
what do you mean, kimimaro WAS a new Madara. orochimaru stated base kimimaro was stronger than himself at base and that was when he had his arms. also, nearly dead, literally closer to death than orochimaru was when Sasuke beat him, kimimaro fights jinchuriki amped Naruto army, then loopy fist Lee, then a version of Gaara that is kage level back to back AND WON!!!!! he literally dies the moment the killing blow was about to be dealt to gaaras face and he had no defense to stop it. Orochimaru stated that with kimimaro hiruzen would have died no chance, but he implied kimimaro could be stronger than hiruzen with CM/CM2. a nerfed Kimimaro is literally stronger than any individual kage at that point in the series. even sick, that version of kimimaro even bodies itachi. now a non sick kimimaro is nuts. that is why Edo kimimaro is fighting enemies way stronger than pre Shippuden Gaara with no difficulty, and a justified reason as to how Kabuto got to EMS Sasuke level by absorbing chakra from orochimaru (mostly senju let's be real) and kimimaro like legit, kimimaro preillness is just a new Madara that hasn't gotten old enough yet and is being groomed by Naruto Jackson over there.
@@paige5158 bone ash is a kekkai Mora so unfortunately that could not happen. However, he did have a poor man's sage mode and bone release, so it is possible that he could have made a weaker equivalent
@@AngelNearDestruction Naruto Jackson ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 But yeah like you said Kimimaro is a ultra prodigy that could probably reach otsutsuki level if given the chance it's a shame what kishimoto did to him
@@davimedina5165 no cap, if kimimaro had no illness the story would be very different. Tldr, new war new story and Naruto dies. Also ps let's be real, if an orochimaru with arms body swaps kimimaro early-mid Shippuden, kimimaro at base should actually just have stats that no one can match except MAYBE Obito with the zetsu but probably not even that, and the likes of Hashirama, KCM users, etc. Stressing base. All of Orochimarus abilities are cumulative so he will literally just stack his stats on top with all his knowledge. This Orochimaru might actually be an Otsutsuki level threat ngl Orochimaru would have fought Jiraiya directly after killing Hiruzen, and with Kimimaro there I imagine Jiraiya isn't having a good day, but I also don't imagine he's going to die since he will plenty of time to gather nature energy and summon Ma and Pa hypothetically. If we assume the implication is true, sick CM2 Kimimaro is stronger than Hiruzen when he fought Orochimaru. Orochimaru and Hiruzen are relative, with Orochimaru having better stats and more jutsu but less skill and experience. Jiraiya and Orochimaru are also relative. Orochimaru needs to go Hydra form to match sage mode, meanwhile a HEALTHY kimimaro in CM2 likely stalemates Jiraiya. If preillness kimimaro is stronger than Orochimaru base to base, statwise healthy he is the strongest of all 4 at base, and sage mode is confirmed stronger than CM2 but it's never specified by how much and by scaling cm2 to Hydra to me it seems safe to say that a healthy cm2 kimimaro should be a match for sage Jiraiya. Jiraiya should have slightly better stats around the board and much better jutsu, but kimimaro would also have a kekkai genkai at play and as we saw, his bone release rivals kage-level gaaras magnet release while on the actual verge of death. And to be real here, Jiraiya is actually kind of hard pressed to deal with a large scale terrain alteration ninjutsu that can potentially oneshot you if you get caught off guard and the terrain allows kimimaro to use the move through walls cheat code. Sage Mode will allow Jiraiya to sense kimimaro coming, but if he or his summons are injured he's in a bad spot to deal with an enemy that can move around freely and effortlessly and attack from any and all angles (even simultaneously to an extent). Jiraiyas giant rasengan is really his only useful tool, I can't imagine genjutsu working on a CM2 for very long especially kimimaro. Sage Mode Jiraiya may be strong but he isn't a genjutsu master and ma and Pa are sages not genjutsu specialists. It isn't like when Itachi genjutsus Naruto. Cm2 kimimaro should be resistant to genjutsu already due to curse mark and insanity fucking with the ability for genjutsu to manipulate his chakra or mind by keeping both scrambled, and Pain broke out easily enough via chakra scrambling. If Jiraiya spams giant rasengans he will fatigue himself. And kimimaro is actually INSANE fast at base when sick, he might actually be faster than sage Jiraiya if healthy and in CM2, I wouldn't be surprised at all. Kimimaro has way better speed feats than Jiraiya oddly. Post leaf invasion, Sasuke is not targeted, although he is likely still manipulated into considering Orochimaru. Kakashi will protoge him better than that, and Sasuke will go rogue later than originally, and with way more skills and no rush for Orochimaru to steal his body. This Orochimaru still had arms and has no need to rush body change, so in all likelyhood a Sasuke that has effectively copy cat jutsud anbu kakashi in addition to being Sasuke will be trained by kimimaro in hand to hand and ninjutsu by orochimaru and likely experimented on in addition to the original timelines drugs. This version of Sasuke would master his curse mark way better than he did in the series, would get tons of ninjutsu, and would be getting murdered every day by kimimaro. A much weaker leaf village will still get Tsunade as kage, Naruto gets similar training but likely slightly better. When the start of Shippuden happens, Orochimaru slaps 4 tail Naruto without almost killing himself and with Kimimaro present is capable of capturing Naruto on the spot, which he may or may not do, and if he does the story takes a drastic change in Naruto dying or Sasuke saving Naruto. If he doesn't, they attack orochimarus hideout and Sai gets murdered, Tenzo gets murdered, kakashi might get murdered and if he does Obito will get his eye back and oh boy. But more likely plot armor saves and Sound Village is likely still around and actually powerful. Things start looking very bad for Naruto from here on, and at every turn in the story Naruto is basically screwed
The espada are comparable to Bijuu and Kcm 1 1/2 Naruto bopped them. EMS Sasuke is more comparable to KCM2 Naruto (even though he isn't quite as strong) how could the espada defeated someone who scales higher in stats than them, has mind hax and flames that never extinguish?
The S class Hero association would demolition the kage. Tatsumaki alone literally has feats above Madara and he solo'd them. Then you have Blast who is stronger than her. Everyone else is just overkill to add(flashy flash, darkshine,bang).
@@foddera7380 Im more or less saying they're pretty relative. I can see arguments for Edo Madara, but DP alone I feel like she's got it. Her psychic abilities alone would be trouble.. and she can fly. Edit:I'm going with the tatsumaki we've seen up to her fight vs psyrochi
@@J9Power4 DP? FYI Kurama has multiple planetary statements and scaling at half power (the version inside Naruto), and Edo Madara scales to Edo Hashirama who is just blatantly above this Kurama.
@@foddera7380 Planetary?? Continental I'll give you that. My whole point is S class>Kage The whole Tatsumaki vs Madara is relative. None of them stomp the other
Bringing up calcs the chunk of the planet being cut off by phykos was calc at moon level and tatsumaki scales above that. I think the hero association are taking it
@@PokerfaceNaru I think they are only talking about S class heroes and excluding blast since we don't know his full potential or this wouldn't be a debate
Also King hax borderline solo, metal knight is comparable based on centichoro talk, and blast > tatsumaki per the manga so hero association stomps lol. That’s not even with saitama
Multi-continental Naruto characters honestly begin with the juubi, the non-god tiers like Hashirama are more like country level based on non-wank calcs and consistency.
@@gameuniverse5973 Pretty sure Hashirama's physicals or other jutsu don't scale to the giant 10 seal deity gates. Also the ten tails' body doesn't always scale in strength to it's TBBs or durability, in it's second form Hinata managed to slap away one of it's tails.
Onoki is pretty much objectively multi continental. Tanked not one but two meteors from madara which shook the planet to the point everyone could feel it
@@precursorapollo641 all the kage are continent to continent+ level alone in ap. tailed beast even the weakest one is casually continent level and they all scale to or above them. the only arguable ones would be mei and gaara but i’m pretty sure them being able to keep up with a half powered madara even with help would scale them that high cuz he broken af and would easily wipe the hero association
Akatatsuki vs Hero Assaciation is very heavey debatle but cmong 5 Kage vs Hero Association is not even a debate, Tatsumaki solos all the 5, Flashy Flash Speed blitz any of them with them not having any ways to counter them, they can't break Darkshine's body, they can't fight toe to toe against bang... like cmon guys
@@beefjiggler5665 blast wipes Flashy flash wipes Atomic samurai dispatches most of them with sun blade Bang wld be a big problem 10 second genos legit just one shots them all at once Pumped up metal bat and resonance metal bat wipes And so on
@@onizukasensei5321 Also, they wouldn’t be able to pierce Darkshine. Even Garou at a form that’s debatably stronger than Bang (in raw power, he’d probably lose that fight due to technique) couldn’t actually hurt Darkshine physically. It was more of a mental defeat. And Genos does not need the 10 second form. People underrate how powerful he is without that. Without that he’s still high dragon AT WORST.
God Damn.... Mandela effect is a bitch, I thought I had some memory of Kakashi vs itachi, fuck dude.... must of been some crazy fever dream I had after watching the chuunin exams when I had the flu when I was a kid, crazy just crazy, i wonder just how many other people are out there that have the same memory.
Nah imma need some reasoning for why Sasuke no Diffs the Espada especially since he got killed by base Madara (he's stronger than Juubito who's Multicontinental with small planet levels of chakra.) The Espada start at Country level but by the 4th Espada + are all Continental+ due to the fact they're multiple times stronger than their predecessor. Also how can EMS Sasuke hand Respira? I mean this is an argument with that hasn't been quantified with evidence and can be deny without evidence but imma need a reason you think EMS Sasuke no difs
It's pretty funny that sick Itachi is stronger than "beyond" Sannin level opponents meaning he should still be stronger than any of the Gokage (Orochimaru's hydra form surpasses Orochimaru who at Sannin level is at the top of the Gokage like the other Sannin in base). Considering War Arc Kakashi could fight alongside KCM Naruto, Killer Bee, Edo 1 arm Minato probably does put him ahead. As far as edo Itachi, I DON'T BELIEVE he's at EMS level nor is it implied. With EMS Sasuke, we can either infer that: 1) he just increases in power throughout the war. There is more merit to this as white zetsu states that he needs to rest his eyes longer. Not to mention him and BSM Naruto gradually can read and attack Juubito at the same time. Plus him & BSM Naruto fight on an equal plane, can tank the same amount of damage and output the same level just that Sasuke is using Jugo since he needs senjutsu attacks to be effective. We know that by the end of the fight at least they are equal especially since the majestic attire is literally perfect susano'o armor around the 9 tails and this Sasuke was not powered up by Naruto's kyuubi chakra and wasn't even powered up from it when they both tanked Juubito's attacks OR 2) he simply was holding back through every battle until against Juubito once he fought alongside BSM Naruto. Keep in mind it wasn't until BSM Naruto that he started to get upset at Naruto's power too. Against Itachi it had nothing to do with strength to defeat Kabuto as Sasuke had to hold back the most being the strongest of the 3 (Edo Itachi > Sage Kabuto IMO also) and followed Itachi who had a specific ability to stopping the jutsu. Alongside Mastered KCM and KCM2, Sasuke for the most part is feeling Naruto out although in KCM2, Naruto isn't in this for long before stacking sage mode. Keep in mind when this Naruto "powers" the shinobi alliance, it is stated numerous times that this isn't just Naruto's and his yang Kurama's chakra, but BOTH halves of Kurama + Minato + Naruto's chakra that is still around Edo Base Hashi's level of chakra. Minato also powers Naruto & his Kurama just before the majestic attire too so there's arguably equal amount of boost that Sasuke & Naruto receive. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for narratively edo Itachi to surpass EMS in any sense especially when Orochimaru & Tobirama are hyping up Sasuke & Naruto to eventually surpass their predecessors in EMS & BSM respectively. In all, it is seems that narratively, Naruto & Sasuke like other reincarnates are supposed to always rival one another. This would also make sense as to how in six paths they still stay relative assuming they're given equal six paths chakra (since they're given equal halves of Hagoromo's six paths powers / abilities & power seals)
@@savageopress8552 The fight was about Sasuke and whose side he'd choose. Once he chose Itachi's side, Itachi literally told him he can't just use brute force and overpower Kabuto cause if he did the undo tensei wouldn't be undone. Itachi then told him exactly how he'd undo the jutsu and like I said, Itachi was the only one who could counter the jutsu under those circumstances. It has nothing to do with power. Itachi (in manga nor anime) never says they're fighting as equals but in his character profile it references that he look at Sasuke at the same eye level and in Sasuke's it states that Itachi finally recognizes him as an equal compared to someone who he's always been ahead. Point is, he finally acknowledges Sasuke's strength and Itachi in his last words literally says he realized if he had come to Sasuke maybe the Uchiha would've changed. He's literally acknowledging him as a shinobi who also isn't being easily mislead but is trying to take his own path which from then on Itachi says no matter what he'll always love him. Note, he tells Sasuke in their battle prior couple times he had gotten stronger yet his eyes still couldn't see everything. And even if you wanted to take it at face value, my stance wouldn't change as I said Sasuke could've been holding back like it's literally stated he is or he simply gets progressively stronger to match and rival Naruto at their peak pre-six paths
“Do you believe the kage are multi-continental?” Nah Nahhhhhh Even all together, even at each of their peaks, their story isn’t built for that power; that’s why the tailed beasts were scary, they were like ‘limitless’ wells of destruction. Still maybe barely continental.
@@gameuniverse5973 when killed B and naruto were heading to the war and A tries to stop him he easily gets overwhelmed by B.I don't think he is as strong as B considering he was getting matched by EMS sasuke to a certain degree while B absolutely destroys him and his whole team taka effortlessly
I’d say Haku probably wins in most cases, but he definitely dies if Gaara uses that crazy Sand Tsunami jutsu that he used on Kimimaro. He’s not escaping from it and he doesn’t have a way to increase his durability to survive like Kimimaro did.
Multi continental bijjus has always been weird but one thing to note is that they are able to tank multiple hits from kcm2 naruto who's not holding back at this point of the fight. So there's definitely the implication from kishimoto that they're not infatismly weaker than half Chakra planet level kurama
@@josephisrael8959 databooks pretty much state that the kurama sealed inside naruto could destroy the earth before being unsealed. And naruto and kurama combining was supposed to symbolizing them joining forces and putting their strength together.
Aren’t the Espada too fast for EMS Sasuke? The absolute weakest one literally dodges light. He saw the hole in the wall and moved before the outside light could reach him.
@@gabrielwilltryhard6572 Yes There Are Arguments And Feats That Suggest EMS Later In The War Before Sasukes Death Would Scale To KCM2 Directly As Earlier Before Jubbito Even Shows Up Sasuke Is Outright Stated Equal To KCM1.5….
when talking about sick itachi in general and do probably say he has stamina issues? itachi has enough stamina to out last hebi sasuke and has enough stamina control to micro manage the fight. and hebi sasuke out lasts deidara. rereading the fight again. only one who sasuke sasuke Is low on Chakra is deidara. deidara who can't see or senses Chakra. so who did sick low stamina itachi outlast hebi and deidara in stamina?
Sasuke cannot see Espada without Rinnegan or Sage Mode, he gets stomped lmao. Without knowledge, Sasuke gets hax to death by Barragan's ability. Agree with everything else.
@@armin7321 Where does that stated that Sasuke can see anything and everything in the universe? The same way Madara said that his Perfect Susanoo can destroy all things in the universe?
Ulquiorra, Harribel, Barragon and Stark stomp EMS Sasuke together, Barragon alone can do a lot of damage with respira let alone Ulquiorra's second release, please don't underestimate the espada
@@Zero-ef4sc minato neats obito, who is stated to be above pain. pain and obito are also both stronger than itachi. explain to me how those 3 are supposed to beat minato when their strongest member couldnt
@@GeorgeMMA Minato does not beat Obito lol. Maybe a kid Obito at 14, but a prime Obito? Hell no, the man's suffered enough against a teen Obito. And no, Obito was never stated to be above Pain, maybe only in terms of their threat levels since Obito can control the 9 Tails and Pain can't, but in a 1v1, Pain wins. And Itachi is a hax person. Even if Obito is above Pain, that wouldn't make him stronger than Itachi.
Give all the 5 Kage Infinite attack potency and they still lose a 5 v 1 against Flashy Flash who speed blitzes and one shots all of them before they can even think.
@@aymanriki1018 I agree he would get blitzed but Kimimaro's durability is pretty good. Plus in CS2 he gets a pretty big boost in speed, though I doubt it puts him on par with Haku's. Like if Kimimaro survives the first blitz what does Haku do about that massive bone jutsu he used on Gaara and Lee that turned the entire battlefield into bone spikes? Idk I feel like Haku would probably win too but it's still interesting imo
Nah your all smoking base Edo Kimminaro dodged kcm one Naruto Rasenshuriken and was able too fight it off that he was left so a healthy curse mark two kimminaro should scale far above that Haku has no shot
I have a question. Who's the weakest Naruto or Bleach character that can solo the Akatsuki. IMO for Naruto it's BSM Naruto (there's a gap between BSM Naruto against EMS Sasuke and KCM Naruto), while the weakest Bleach character is probably Starrk
Fax’s like pain is probably on par or stronger than most of the kage and his most powerful can destroy a city but u might be able to scale that to multi cont somehow
If we don't take into account the shippuden Haku feats, then I say Gaara from part one completely choke-slams Haku from part one. Before he brought out the mirrors, Haku was getting pressed and served up by a genin level Sasuke without sharingan. His taijutsu wouldn't do shit to gaara, so he'd have no choice but to bring out the mirrors - in which case he wouldn't be able to damage him at fucking all. Gaara creates a sand tsunami and completely overwhelms his mirrors and does a giant sand burial. Gg. Also, same shit for Kakashi. He'd shit wreck Haku. Either he dances circles around Haku and fucks him up beyond recognition with taijutsu alone, or worst case scenario - Haku uses ice mirrors, but Kakashi being the intelligent fighter he is leaves a clone under ground outside of the mirrors, in which case it pops out and does a huge fire style jutsu and/or raikiris the mirrors. OR the Kakashi inside the mirrors is a clone himself. Gg.
@@uchihakiller201 True. Once he got sasuke in those ice mirrors it was pretty much over. I was just pointing out how Haku was getting folded in hand to hand combat with sasuke
It’s garra transforms full into Shikoku he beats haku and all he has to do is stay in that lil sand orb until he fully transforms and I don’t think hakus needles are piercing it when he threw those at sasuke the didn’t even go all the way through him so there’s no way in hell they get through garra sand orb when a whole ass chidadori barely got through it
Gaara could be multi continental..he stopped madaras meteor with onokis help yes but he's alot stronger as a kage then his war arc self..a meteor that size should be multi cont..and if gaara can counter it then his potency should be similar...idk if he can cover a continent in sand but..his defense is op
Healthy Uchiha Itachi versus war arc Kakashi would be an interesting fight it would be a tough battle. そうか battling against reanimated Itachi would be a difficult battle for Kakashi.
if not ems sasuke then rinnegan sasuke absolutely slaps the whole Espada no question. But ichigo would also slap the akatsuki so it goes both ways really
The espada are comparable to Bijuu and Kcm 1 1/2 Naruto bopped them. EMS Sasuke is more comparable to KCM2 Naruto (even though he isn't quite as strong) how could the espada defeated someone who scales higher in stats than them, has mind hax and flames that never extinguish?
I wonder how Six would feel about alive Itachi being weaker than Edo. Lol. Ngl I kinda agree cuz Itachi has so many 1 shot kill moves that he used multiple times dying lol
@@gameuniverse5973 Unless you think the meteors are the size of California (which isn't because Madara's Perfect Susanoo is bigger than the meteor) Onoki is not tanking a legit country+ level attacks
The thing about multi continental kage is that visually it doesn’t seem that implied, but it is implied that they scale to bijuu who though definitely a lot weaker scale to Kurama who can destroy the earth. If they scale to bijuu then they are multi continental in AP. However they are not multi continental in DC
I mean, the most non a bijuu character done before end game was pain destroying the village. which is like the size of a large town/small city and he used life force for that. I don’t like these vague statements, not a single kage can do what pain did let alone a whole fucking continent. In fact I’ve only ever seen the 10 tails show a country level feat in naruto.
EMS Sasuke Beats 9-5 Espada and Harribel most likely. When it comes to Barragon it depends if Amaterasu is stronger than Respira, or specifically if Amaterasu is really eternal flames, then respira cant age them out of existence because its immortal flame, but it might just last 7 days. Also Yammy is getting deleted. Starrk and Ulquiorra arent losing. Rinnegan Sasuke beats them all. Rinnegan powers and Genjutsu
Wait I don't see ems Sasuke beating all the espada. Even with genjustu he never showed the ability to use genjustu on multiple users before. And each of the espada are like centuries old with experience in battle and survival. I think they just outlast him
Idk if you read bleach but grimmjow surpass ulquiorra and I didn't see Sasuke do anything crazy that the new grimmjow can do... also ulquiorra did OK in his fight with ichigo that can cut the chain of hell and grimmjow surpass that ulquiorra by allot and the other 2 espada got a power boost in the Manga lol I guess if they don't know anything about Sasuke they can lose but I feel if grimmjow blind side Sasuke it over
this powerlevels are some times simple too stupid! Sasuke to this day uses iron kunais as viable weapons and got folded by a stab to the gut, despite some amazing racks he still firmly in a more grounded and human realm, he wouldn't survive any of the direct hits from a spada and that is what was cool about him, his fight with danzo in that bridge wouldn't even cover Ulquieragul's lanca de relanpago, it's like comparing 9mm vs a warhead.
The hero association has flaws their ranking system isn’t 100% based on capabilities or fighting power, it’s entirely possible that metal knight could have a higher ap than even tatsu, and I’m assuming we don’t count blast, saitama, and king
@@precursorapollo641 metal knight has never shown his true power in the story, tatsu has, it’s pretty obvious that he’s being written as a character who keeps his ace in the hole hidden Tatsu could be stronger but there’s just no evidence, I mean the only other hero that’s more hidden and mysterious than metal knight is blast which shouldn’t count for nothing
@@realmasker8647 tatsumaki never had a chance too show her true power the multi Conti stuff was when she was severely weakened and was helping all the s class
@@gameuniverse5973 that’s fair enough, though my point still stands that metal night has much more build up going on for him right now, he’s practically involved with everything major in the opm verse Not to mention he and tatsu are usually brought up together in ap conversations regardless, I wouldn’t be surprised if he did have some sort of world ending super weapon he’s trying to keep secret or something like that
Dms kakashi vs kcm sage Minato. What if Minato had a sharingan?(dms Minato??) How strong is orochimaru with an Uchiha body?? Dms orochimaru, if you will.
DMS Kakashi would body kcm Minato who was below juubito getting sage mode stack onto it won't get him where DMS Kakashi at who was blitzing a amped Kaguya who the base version was said too be above three eyed juubidara maybe one eye or one eye god tree juubidara vs hypothetical Ksm Minato will be a debate
@@marcoslightspeed5517 but the espada Have hacks of thier own like how do they get around baragan even but ya and speed is an issue in my opinon . Its definetly a fight but Sasuke 1v10 the espada is impossible lol. Even 1v1s I dont see him getting past Top 4 and how does he damage 5 espada .
I think Tatsumaki beats most of the naruto verse tbh, Seth mentioned her ripping off a slice of the planet but that was actually the person she was fighting. She did however twist all of Z city into itself, and ripped the monster association base out of the earth.
Tatsumaki Solos Flashy Flash speed blitzes them Bang outclasses them They can’t get past Darkshine’s durability or take his power Drive Knight solos Genos solos Metal Bat solos
@@jesuspernia8031 even with her feat of nearly planet level debunked ? Unless ripping the monster association base out of earth is planet level. An im Not tryna argue I jus wanna know.
@@kodoqbesar4301 nooo, Base Wonderweis FTE Ukitake who scales with shunsui who scales with Stark Resurrección who is the strongest Espada (besides yammys strength). Res Wonderweis give base Yama a challenge. Base Yama>all shinigami in shikai(no Base aizen)and some in bankai.
I mean, obviously Edo Itachi>Alive Itachi, because alive Itachi dies due to his illness if he pushes himself to his limits. But Edo Tensei is still a nerf, in every aspects, every stats Edo Itachi is weaker than alive Itachi. So I don't really know what you mean by he's weaker than EMS Sasuke. 🤔 You mean EMS Sasuke would be able to outlast alive Itachi, but obviously Edo Itachi doesn't die, so he could beat him, because Sasuke can't outlast him? That's true tho. Probably this is what you mean with Kakashi too. Which is true, yeah. Good that I had a question which I answered to myself, lmao.
Biggest difference between alive and Edo Itachi is that Itachi being an Edo basically means he has an EMS (minus a perfect Susanoo). Even though the body may be slightly weaker, he can just spam MS (or other jutsu) abilities without losing chakra, stamina or his eye sight, which isn’t something he’d be able to do if he’s alive even when healthy.
War arc kakashi also does have superior reaction feats taijutsu feats and he’s was able to spam kamui with not to considerable debuts where as itachi using his ability once already had noticeable effects. Pretty sure against sasuke which he knew was going to be his last fight he was only able to use his ms 3 times and a 4th time if you included his susano that blocked Kirin and defeated orochimaru.
Assuming Itachi in his prime was roughly his edo self minus the edo nerf he'd be around edo Nagato level imho, maybe up to early KCM2 level. It could also be that because later on in his life when Itachi was sick he would have otherwise been in his prime and the reanimation jutsu removing his illness actually made him stronger than he ever was in his life.
Tsukiyomi destroys kakashi. Sick itachis techs have infinite AP and took out orochimaru hydra form easily. Kakashi took time to defeat and was relative to a simple 30 percent itachi clone. I don’t see how the climb to war arc kakashi makes kakashi anymore able to deal with itachi.
You must not know how much stronger war arc kakashi is then. Just go watch any proper video of kakashi's strength and you see he gets a massive amp in the war
Fam war arc kakashi can spam kamui 4+ times, was keeping up with Kcm naruto and was fighting 2 version2 tailed beasts. Kakashi kamui a rasengan from a moving Kcm naruto who is faster than the raikage and alive/Sick itachi. Kakashi might snipe itachi hand off or something
Kakashi countered Tsukuyomi in there second fight by the use of Shadow clone but even if Kakashi got hit by it Hebi Sasuke managed to break out of it if he can do it the Kakashi can as well
@@SRVaris kakashi could def break it considering he’s already experienced the technique first hand once and was able to already counter it a second time, now that he has access to his ms his sharingan should be superior than sasuke and he should be able to break through tsukunomi
The only kage with relative/superior AP to A is Tsunade. Even then, most bijuu dama calcs that are actually done properly unlike parrot's multi-cont one only net island-small country level AP. Whereas Tatsumaki scales to two high-end multi continental feats. She solos
@@josephisrael8959 The other kage scale to AP above Ay because of susano clones. The parrot calc which is also a nia calc is better and more consistent than any other calc since it uses the average size for mountains and naruto actually has more impressive mountais, also the retards that made the small country calcs also did a small moon level calc for the 10 tails which people like bee and half kurama scale to meaning the biju and kage also scale to it.
@@jesuspernia8031 LMAO aye i dont even watch bleach. and it sounds like BS to me xD. ive never scaled the espada but coming from the bleach verse i know theyre fast and hax asf. so i dont know lmaoo Seth might be a bit misinformed on this one. i need his thoughts foreal
Everyone keeps forgetting ems Sasuke was just gonna kill kabuto and had full confidence in doing so, kabuto had a lot of anti sharingan utility but sasuke held back purposely
Honestly don't even know how much of that fight was even real, and itachi specifically tells Sasuke not to kill him so itachi probably thought it was a possibility as well
@@gameuniverse5973 we've seen him do that but you think Sasuke is just going to stand there we've seen him blitz down danzou who was appearing out of thin air. They obviously held back, kabuto is strong but to say he just took on itachi and Sasuke at full power is ludicrous Sasuke actually pinned him with an arrow if he wanted to kill he could have
@@SRVaris he didn’t force itachi to do anything really. Itachi was avoiding a long drawn out battle. His only intention was to remind Danzo to keep his hands off of Sasuke after Hiruzens passing. He could’ve literally killed Kakashi if he wanted, as Kakashi questioned why he didn’t.
@@diaabnasir471 Again Itachi used Tsukuyomi to end the fight quickly nothing else would have ended it as quickly as Tsukuyomi sans Amaterasu Also Kakashi said Itachi could have killed him AFTER being hit with Tsukuyomi
Tsunade herself can literally kick a country away so to lowball the 5 kage so much is nuts af. “aRe tHEy mUlTi cOnTinental” it’s wild af seth do you just say shit now🤣like fighting someone who can drop meteors from the sky and you tlk like they’re city level threats.
@@whatstheweatherman7577 What a ridiculous statement, why didn't she kick away Madara with his perfect susano? Causing a country wide level of destruction with a single kick would easily scale to Madara slicing the mountains with his perfect susanoo. Even Pain who she couldn't do anything against, caused only a village level destruction, not a country level. So that doesn't make any sense.
Sick alive itachi gets washed by war arc kakashi with ease better matchup would be Edo itachi vs war arc kakashi that would be close but DMS kakashi no dif all forms of itachi 🤣
Because Edo doesn't have a sickness. And Itachi has never been much of a raw power fighter so Edo nerf isn't even that important to him. Not only being dead heals him but it basically grants him EMS due to being numb to any pain.
@@Twix44 yes dms stomps but the question wasn't about dms it was about base war arc kakashi. Who's best feat was fighting some tailed beasts itachi would fodderize with genjutsu.
@@Reality-Distortion what's stopping itachi from killing him tho. Being sick doesn't weaken him it just lessens the attempts itachi has. Itachi only needs one attempt to blitz and genjutsu war arc kakashi.
@@rayvonvelez3129 Being on a death bed does weaken you quite a lot, especially when the entire good part of your arsenal basically requires self-mutilation. Why do you think he's capable of blitzing him?
I think one of the interesting things about listening to Seth is the way he talks about the OPM universe. He makes basically zero videos about it and just NEVER touches OPM in longer-style videos (aside from his Goku vs Saitama video), but you can tell that he not only keeps up with it, but he also respects the feats of power from OPM. I imagine he'll do some more OPM scaling as the series gets closer to its end and we start to see more and more of what Saitama can do when he gets actually serious.
Yessir
Hero association washes easy... even if they can contend with Tatsumaki she's not alone... nor is she the strongest (Saitama excluded obviously)
Blast takes the five kage and all of Naruto on his own.
@@kelvyiturralde8111 what about adult naruto…Ope…blast isn’t contenting with adult naruto and sasuke in anyway
I think the only thing that would give Gaara an advantage is a sand tsunami, but even then I think Haku just blitzes
I like Gaara n this matchup only thing I would have to say and haku favor that actually could turn the tide is that he uses ice style so I'm pretty sure that he has water style so I think that he will have the elemental advantage over Gaara I never really seen gara go up against a water type but I would think that water would be stronger against sand and make sand let's effective
I saw this question over at DBZImran's community post. Who would win between Gojo, Urahara, and DMS Kakashi. I'm just gonna assume that they can see and hit Urahara. Most people there say Urahara wins because he plans so far ahead he'd counter every single moves they made. But I can see DMs Kakashi wins despite the time limit because he blitzed Kaguya. What do you guys think?
I'd say Gojo is out first since both Urahara and Kakashi have attacks Infinity can't stop and outstat him badly. Urahara Vs. Kakashi is a lot closer but I'd give it to Kakashi since a lot of Urahara's moves are designed around restraining an opponent, which won't work against Kakashi thanks to Kamui. Kakashi also should be faster
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The thing is, I'm sure Urahara will manage to figure something out because he's Urahara. But I dunno because DMS Kakashi is so fast (he blitzed Kaguya) and his attacks ignores durability. Unless you think that Kannonbiraki Benihime Aratame and make Urahara hurt intangible beings
@@ningenslayer6306 I don’t think Kakashi is blitzing Urahara. And his ability isn’t to restrain
@@jeromewilson1048 Given how he blitzed Kaguya, I think it’s in the cards, especially given his attacks after larger and have superior AoE. Also I know that’s not Urahara’s ability, it’s just that some of his notable abilities work by doing so
@@ningenslayer6306 his most notable trade is he is master of all kido which makes him pretty broken because kidos are broken
I see Kakashi, I click.
I see Haku, I click.
It's such a shame that super Prodigy young ninjas like Kimimaro, Itachi and Haku never got to unravel their full potential mostly due to plot bs like having some incurable degenerative disease even though these same guys can easily bust a country to smithereens(or in haku's case being a omega level simp)
I think if those super prodigies were allowed to evolve and hone their abilities more they'd become New madaras or even stronger than madara
what do you mean, kimimaro WAS a new Madara. orochimaru stated base kimimaro was stronger than himself at base and that was when he had his arms. also, nearly dead, literally closer to death than orochimaru was when Sasuke beat him, kimimaro fights jinchuriki amped Naruto army, then loopy fist Lee, then a version of Gaara that is kage level back to back AND WON!!!!! he literally dies the moment the killing blow was about to be dealt to gaaras face and he had no defense to stop it. Orochimaru stated that with kimimaro hiruzen would have died no chance, but he implied kimimaro could be stronger than hiruzen with CM/CM2. a nerfed Kimimaro is literally stronger than any individual kage at that point in the series. even sick, that version of kimimaro even bodies itachi. now a non sick kimimaro is nuts. that is why Edo kimimaro is fighting enemies way stronger than pre Shippuden Gaara with no difficulty, and a justified reason as to how Kabuto got to EMS Sasuke level by absorbing chakra from orochimaru (mostly senju let's be real) and kimimaro
like legit, kimimaro preillness is just a new Madara that hasn't gotten old enough yet and is being groomed by Naruto Jackson over there.
Honestly no lie if kimimaro reached his full potential he’d probably be able to use bone ash at least once in battle
@@paige5158 bone ash is a kekkai Mora so unfortunately that could not happen. However, he did have a poor man's sage mode and bone release, so it is possible that he could have made a weaker equivalent
@@AngelNearDestruction Naruto Jackson ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
But yeah like you said Kimimaro is a ultra prodigy that could probably reach otsutsuki level if given the chance it's a shame what kishimoto did to him
@@davimedina5165 no cap, if kimimaro had no illness the story would be very different. Tldr, new war new story and Naruto dies.
Also ps let's be real, if an orochimaru with arms body swaps kimimaro early-mid Shippuden, kimimaro at base should actually just have stats that no one can match except MAYBE Obito with the zetsu but probably not even that, and the likes of Hashirama, KCM users, etc. Stressing base. All of Orochimarus abilities are cumulative so he will literally just stack his stats on top with all his knowledge. This Orochimaru might actually be an Otsutsuki level threat ngl
Orochimaru would have fought Jiraiya directly after killing Hiruzen, and with Kimimaro there I imagine Jiraiya isn't having a good day, but I also don't imagine he's going to die since he will plenty of time to gather nature energy and summon Ma and Pa hypothetically. If we assume the implication is true, sick CM2 Kimimaro is stronger than Hiruzen when he fought Orochimaru. Orochimaru and Hiruzen are relative, with Orochimaru having better stats and more jutsu but less skill and experience. Jiraiya and Orochimaru are also relative. Orochimaru needs to go Hydra form to match sage mode, meanwhile a HEALTHY kimimaro in CM2 likely stalemates Jiraiya. If preillness kimimaro is stronger than Orochimaru base to base, statwise healthy he is the strongest of all 4 at base, and sage mode is confirmed stronger than CM2 but it's never specified by how much and by scaling cm2 to Hydra to me it seems safe to say that a healthy cm2 kimimaro should be a match for sage Jiraiya. Jiraiya should have slightly better stats around the board and much better jutsu, but kimimaro would also have a kekkai genkai at play and as we saw, his bone release rivals kage-level gaaras magnet release while on the actual verge of death. And to be real here, Jiraiya is actually kind of hard pressed to deal with a large scale terrain alteration ninjutsu that can potentially oneshot you if you get caught off guard and the terrain allows kimimaro to use the move through walls cheat code. Sage Mode will allow Jiraiya to sense kimimaro coming, but if he or his summons are injured he's in a bad spot to deal with an enemy that can move around freely and effortlessly and attack from any and all angles (even simultaneously to an extent). Jiraiyas giant rasengan is really his only useful tool, I can't imagine genjutsu working on a CM2 for very long especially kimimaro. Sage Mode Jiraiya may be strong but he isn't a genjutsu master and ma and Pa are sages not genjutsu specialists. It isn't like when Itachi genjutsus Naruto. Cm2 kimimaro should be resistant to genjutsu already due to curse mark and insanity fucking with the ability for genjutsu to manipulate his chakra or mind by keeping both scrambled, and Pain broke out easily enough via chakra scrambling. If Jiraiya spams giant rasengans he will fatigue himself. And kimimaro is actually INSANE fast at base when sick, he might actually be faster than sage Jiraiya if healthy and in CM2, I wouldn't be surprised at all. Kimimaro has way better speed feats than Jiraiya oddly.
Post leaf invasion, Sasuke is not targeted, although he is likely still manipulated into considering Orochimaru. Kakashi will protoge him better than that, and Sasuke will go rogue later than originally, and with way more skills and no rush for Orochimaru to steal his body. This Orochimaru still had arms and has no need to rush body change, so in all likelyhood a Sasuke that has effectively copy cat jutsud anbu kakashi in addition to being Sasuke will be trained by kimimaro in hand to hand and ninjutsu by orochimaru and likely experimented on in addition to the original timelines drugs. This version of Sasuke would master his curse mark way better than he did in the series, would get tons of ninjutsu, and would be getting murdered every day by kimimaro. A much weaker leaf village will still get Tsunade as kage, Naruto gets similar training but likely slightly better. When the start of Shippuden happens, Orochimaru slaps 4 tail Naruto without almost killing himself and with Kimimaro present is capable of capturing Naruto on the spot, which he may or may not do, and if he does the story takes a drastic change in Naruto dying or Sasuke saving Naruto. If he doesn't, they attack orochimarus hideout and Sai gets murdered, Tenzo gets murdered, kakashi might get murdered and if he does Obito will get his eye back and oh boy. But more likely plot armor saves and Sound Village is likely still around and actually powerful. Things start looking very bad for Naruto from here on, and at every turn in the story Naruto is basically screwed
I honestly can't see EMS Sasuke beating the Espada without genjutsu and other hax let alone an outright stomp.
Exactly. I think Seth was smoking something here.
@@CerotheDemon ulqiorra would beat him
@@CerotheDemon I honestly think even the lowers through scaling and their own hax have a chance but that's just me
EMS Sasuke is not beating the entire Espada. IMO he'd lose to Halibel and would definitely lose to Barragan
The espada are comparable to Bijuu and Kcm 1 1/2 Naruto bopped them. EMS Sasuke is more comparable to KCM2 Naruto (even though he isn't quite as strong) how could the espada defeated someone who scales higher in stats than them, has mind hax and flames that never extinguish?
The S class Hero association would demolition the kage. Tatsumaki alone literally has feats above Madara and he solo'd them. Then you have Blast who is stronger than her. Everyone else is just overkill to add(flashy flash, darkshine,bang).
Just making sure, you don’t think Tatsumaki would actually beat Edo Madara do you? If we are going with Multi-Continental Tatsumaki.
@@foddera7380 Im more or less saying they're pretty relative. I can see arguments for Edo Madara, but DP alone I feel like she's got it. Her psychic abilities alone would be trouble.. and she can fly.
Edit:I'm going with the tatsumaki we've seen up to her fight vs psyrochi
@@J9Power4 DP? FYI Kurama has multiple planetary statements and scaling at half power (the version inside Naruto), and Edo Madara scales to Edo Hashirama who is just blatantly above this Kurama.
Tatsumaki doesn’t scale to even Base Madara let alone his higher forms.
@@foddera7380 Planetary?? Continental I'll give you that.
My whole point is S class>Kage
The whole Tatsumaki vs Madara is relative. None of them stomp the other
Bringing up calcs the chunk of the planet being cut off by phykos was calc at moon level and tatsumaki scales above that. I think the hero association are taking it
Doesn't Hero Association have Saitama or they are only talking about S class?
@@Goatkuna236 I forgot yeah they have saitama, I ain't even think about that. Yeah they're definitely winning
@@PokerfaceNaru I think they are only talking about S class heroes and excluding blast since we don't know his full potential or this wouldn't be a debate
Tatsumaki as i said probably bodies the five Kage like the Akatsuki
Also King hax borderline solo, metal knight is comparable based on centichoro talk, and blast > tatsumaki per the manga so hero association stomps lol. That’s not even with saitama
I can't believe people actually asked the hero association versus the five kage, like they forgot that saitama was a part of it
I feel like seth think five kage>opm
Multi-continental Naruto characters honestly begin with the juubi, the non-god tiers like Hashirama are more like country level based on non-wank calcs and consistency.
Pretty sure Hashirama does scale too multi Conti by literally sealing the juubi with his deity gates or did you forgot
@@gameuniverse5973 Pretty sure Hashirama's physicals or other jutsu don't scale to the giant 10 seal deity gates. Also the ten tails' body doesn't always scale in strength to it's TBBs or durability, in it's second form Hinata managed to slap away one of it's tails.
Hashirama scales above Kurama who has a bunch of planetary statements and scaling.
Onoki is pretty much objectively multi continental. Tanked not one but two meteors from madara which shook the planet to the point everyone could feel it
Tatsumaki throws meteors as a gag, with 0 effort
@@HelixsoulX ok so does madara lol. Literally swings them up with zero difficulty and a smile on his face
@@miracles4219 tatsumaki does it way more casual
@@miracles4219 Onoki doesn't really scale to madara does he. He needed help to stop that meteor and got bopped by the 2nd
@@precursorapollo641 all the kage are continent to continent+ level alone in ap. tailed beast even the weakest one is casually continent level and they all scale to or above them. the only arguable ones would be mei and gaara but i’m pretty sure them being able to keep up with a half powered madara even with help would scale them that high cuz he broken af and would easily wipe the hero association
Akatatsuki vs Hero Assaciation is very heavey debatle
but cmong 5 Kage vs Hero Association is not even a debate, Tatsumaki solos all the 5, Flashy Flash Speed blitz any of them with them not having any ways to counter them, they can't break Darkshine's body, they can't fight toe to toe against bang... like cmon guys
People are forgetting there are other crazy characters with insane feats in OPM besides Saitama.
i don't even think the akatsuki can beat the hero association
unless u mean all members at their primes then thats more debatable
The 5 Kage annihilate everyone in the Association aside from Tatsumaki.
@@beefjiggler5665 blast wipes
Flashy flash wipes
Atomic samurai dispatches most of them with sun blade
Bang wld be a big problem
10 second genos legit just one shots them all at once
Pumped up metal bat and resonance metal bat wipes
And so on
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Also, they wouldn’t be able to pierce Darkshine. Even Garou at a form that’s debatably stronger than Bang (in raw power, he’d probably lose that fight due to technique) couldn’t actually hurt Darkshine physically. It was more of a mental defeat.
And Genos does not need the 10 second form. People underrate how powerful he is without that. Without that he’s still high dragon AT WORST.
The S class in the hero association are nuts
even without tatsumaki it would be a crazy fight with what they can do
Tatsumaki vs madara would be a dope fight she’d be throwing mountains he’d be cutting them up it would be fun
Hax and speed is the problem for tats but I don't remember
Tatsumaki wins
Base rinnegan madara uses limbo and she dies
God Damn.... Mandela effect is a bitch, I thought I had some memory of Kakashi vs itachi, fuck dude.... must of been some crazy fever dream I had after watching the chuunin exams when I had the flu when I was a kid, crazy just crazy, i wonder just how many other people are out there that have the same memory.
What happened to your pain vs Itachi video?
Nah imma need some reasoning for why Sasuke no Diffs the Espada especially since he got killed by base Madara (he's stronger than Juubito who's Multicontinental with small planet levels of chakra.) The Espada start at Country level but by the 4th Espada + are all Continental+ due to the fact they're multiple times stronger than their predecessor. Also how can EMS Sasuke hand Respira? I mean this is an argument with that hasn't been quantified with evidence and can be deny without evidence but imma need a reason you think EMS Sasuke no difs
It's pretty funny that sick Itachi is stronger than "beyond" Sannin level opponents meaning he should still be stronger than any of the Gokage (Orochimaru's hydra form surpasses Orochimaru who at Sannin level is at the top of the Gokage like the other Sannin in base). Considering War Arc Kakashi could fight alongside KCM Naruto, Killer Bee, Edo 1 arm Minato probably does put him ahead.
As far as edo Itachi, I DON'T BELIEVE he's at EMS level nor is it implied. With EMS Sasuke, we can either infer that:
1) he just increases in power throughout the war. There is more merit to this as white zetsu states that he needs to rest his eyes longer. Not to mention him and BSM Naruto gradually can read and attack Juubito at the same time. Plus him & BSM Naruto fight on an equal plane, can tank the same amount of damage and output the same level just that Sasuke is using Jugo since he needs senjutsu attacks to be effective. We know that by the end of the fight at least they are equal especially since the majestic attire is literally perfect susano'o armor around the 9 tails and this Sasuke was not powered up by Naruto's kyuubi chakra and wasn't even powered up from it when they both tanked Juubito's attacks
OR
2) he simply was holding back through every battle until against Juubito once he fought alongside BSM Naruto. Keep in mind it wasn't until BSM Naruto that he started to get upset at Naruto's power too. Against Itachi it had nothing to do with strength to defeat Kabuto as Sasuke had to hold back the most being the strongest of the 3 (Edo Itachi > Sage Kabuto IMO also) and followed Itachi who had a specific ability to stopping the jutsu. Alongside Mastered KCM and KCM2, Sasuke for the most part is feeling Naruto out although in KCM2, Naruto isn't in this for long before stacking sage mode. Keep in mind when this Naruto "powers" the shinobi alliance, it is stated numerous times that this isn't just Naruto's and his yang Kurama's chakra, but BOTH halves of Kurama + Minato + Naruto's chakra that is still around Edo Base Hashi's level of chakra. Minato also powers Naruto & his Kurama just before the majestic attire too so there's arguably equal amount of boost that Sasuke & Naruto receive.
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for narratively edo Itachi to surpass EMS in any sense especially when Orochimaru & Tobirama are hyping up Sasuke & Naruto to eventually surpass their predecessors in EMS & BSM respectively. In all, it is seems that narratively, Naruto & Sasuke like other reincarnates are supposed to always rival one another. This would also make sense as to how in six paths they still stay relative assuming they're given equal six paths chakra (since they're given equal halves of Hagoromo's six paths powers / abilities & power seals)
nice essay
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u said edo itachi isn’t on ems lvl so u think sasuke was doing better than itachi during kabuto fight ? Like sasuke was the one holding the fight up?
And even to that at the end itachi said u are now my equal not more than me but I see u as a equal? or does that not matter
@@savageopress8552 The fight was about Sasuke and whose side he'd choose. Once he chose Itachi's side, Itachi literally told him he can't just use brute force and overpower Kabuto cause if he did the undo tensei wouldn't be undone. Itachi then told him exactly how he'd undo the jutsu and like I said, Itachi was the only one who could counter the jutsu under those circumstances. It has nothing to do with power.
Itachi (in manga nor anime) never says they're fighting as equals but in his character profile it references that he look at Sasuke at the same eye level and in Sasuke's it states that Itachi finally recognizes him as an equal compared to someone who he's always been ahead. Point is, he finally acknowledges Sasuke's strength and Itachi in his last words literally says he realized if he had come to Sasuke maybe the Uchiha would've changed. He's literally acknowledging him as a shinobi who also isn't being easily mislead but is trying to take his own path which from then on Itachi says no matter what he'll always love him. Note, he tells Sasuke in their battle prior couple times he had gotten stronger yet his eyes still couldn't see everything. And even if you wanted to take it at face value, my stance wouldn't change as I said Sasuke could've been holding back like it's literally stated he is or he simply gets progressively stronger to match and rival Naruto at their peak pre-six paths
If u reading this have a blessed day💯🙏🏽
yea I disagree with the EMS Sasuke beating the espada. I see the top or high mid tiers beating him. Seth downplaying the espada
“Do you believe the kage are multi-continental?”
Nah
Nahhhhhh
Even all together, even at each of their peaks, their story isn’t built for that power; that’s why the tailed beasts were scary, they were like ‘limitless’ wells of destruction. Still maybe barely continental.
I would argue ay is tailed beast level it literally stated he match killer bee while fully transformed
@@gameuniverse5973 when killed B and naruto were heading to the war and A tries to stop him he easily gets overwhelmed by B.I don't think he is as strong as B considering he was getting matched by EMS sasuke to a certain degree while B absolutely destroys him and his whole team taka effortlessly
@@Goatkuna236 ay was still pretty much holding back both bee and Naruto until Naruto needed too focus hard too dodge him
Ohnoki survived being hit by 2 big ass meteors that shook the entire planet when they collided.
@@thetruth997_ not the entire world you mean just the nation of fire right
I’d say Haku probably wins in most cases, but he definitely dies if Gaara uses that crazy Sand Tsunami jutsu that he used on Kimimaro. He’s not escaping from it and he doesn’t have a way to increase his durability to survive like Kimimaro did.
If he gets hit
@@RanMaru144 I’m pretty confident Haku gets caught in that. The scale of that jutsu is absolutely massive and the set up does not take long.
@@ryanwilliams6221haku speed is blitzing war arc Kakashi, kid garra has no chance 😂
The 5 Kage vs Hero Association has me dying. Tatsumaki solos the Kage. King solos the Kage.
wtf how ? your wrong af
Multi continental bijjus has always been weird but one thing to note is that they are able to tank multiple hits from kcm2 naruto who's not holding back at this point of the fight. So there's definitely the implication from kishimoto that they're not infatismly weaker than half Chakra planet level kurama
There's nothing to suggest that the 1/2 kurama that the bijuu fought is planet level.
@@josephisrael8959 databooks pretty much state that the kurama sealed inside naruto could destroy the earth before being unsealed. And naruto and kurama combining was supposed to symbolizing them joining forces and putting their strength together.
@@miracles4219 it is said that he could turn it to ash and its a hyperbole statement with no feats to back it up
@@miracles4219 naurto is the biggest statement over feats anime to ever exist
@@mufasawave8839 you too
Aren’t the Espada too fast for EMS Sasuke? The absolute weakest one literally dodges light. He saw the hole in the wall and moved before the outside light could reach him.
hes tripping
EMS Sasuke Scales To KCM2 Naruto Or At Least KCM 1.5…..
KCM1 Naruto Had FTL+ To MFTL Feats/Calcs, Mind You KCM1.5 Is At Minimal 6X Over KCM1.
@@christianphrenger7902 sorry but EMS Does not scale to KCM2
@@gabrielwilltryhard6572 Yes There Are Arguments And Feats That Suggest EMS Later In The War Before Sasukes Death Would Scale To KCM2 Directly As Earlier Before Jubbito Even Shows Up Sasuke Is Outright Stated Equal To KCM1.5….
@@christianphrenger7902 Once You Started Typing Like This You Completely Lost Me… 😭😭😭
3:50 I love that Seth doesn't accept that ratty ass Death of the Author BS and actually tries to be reasonable.
Death Of The Author Matters In Scaling When The Feats/Statements Themselves Contradict What The Authors “Intentions” Were…..
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Sure. The goal is just to be reasonable.
@@ActuallyAlask Not Really The Goal Is To Get A Accurate Scale For The Characters…
Haku has like the second worst scaling behind Kurama
when talking about sick itachi in general and do probably say he has stamina issues? itachi has enough stamina to out last hebi sasuke and has enough stamina control to micro manage the fight. and hebi sasuke out lasts deidara. rereading the fight again. only one who sasuke sasuke Is low on Chakra is deidara. deidara who can't see or senses Chakra. so who did sick low stamina itachi outlast hebi and deidara in stamina?
Sasuke cannot see Espada without Rinnegan or Sage Mode, he gets stomped lmao. Without knowledge, Sasuke gets hax to death by Barragan's ability.
Agree with everything else.
Man he’s right rather you agree or not
He can see their life energy with his sharingan. Similar to how he can see a chakraless ghost or spirit
sasuke with ems can see all things in the universe you think he wont be able to see invisble people? Also barragan gets countered by amaterasu
@@armin7321
Where does that stated that Sasuke can see anything and everything in the universe? The same way Madara said that his Perfect Susanoo can destroy all things in the universe?
@@armin7321 he can’t even see Madara’s limbo. Limbo is essentially what the Espada are, beings from another dimension.
I love you Seth. 💗
Ulquiorra, Harribel, Barragon and Stark stomp EMS Sasuke together, Barragon alone can do a lot of damage with respira let alone Ulquiorra's second release, please don't underestimate the espada
He can’t counter the reitatsu and even if he somehow can bargan haxs neg
Ems perfect susanoo erases them from existence bro stfu
Did this guy really just say Minato defeats the whole Akatsuki, and that EMS Sasuke beats the Espada? Seth, you must be on crack.
No he's just stupid
who in the akatsuki beats minato
@@GeorgeMMA Itachi, Pain, Obito
@@Zero-ef4sc minato neats obito, who is stated to be above pain. pain and obito are also both stronger than itachi.
explain to me how those 3 are supposed to beat minato when their strongest member couldnt
@@GeorgeMMA Minato does not beat Obito lol. Maybe a kid Obito at 14, but a prime Obito? Hell no, the man's suffered enough against a teen Obito.
And no, Obito was never stated to be above Pain, maybe only in terms of their threat levels since Obito can control the 9 Tails and Pain can't, but in a 1v1, Pain wins. And Itachi is a hax person. Even if Obito is above Pain, that wouldn't make him stronger than Itachi.
EMS Sasuke gets bodied by espada no 4
Yep and Yami too maybe even Baragan and Stark
Give all the 5 Kage Infinite attack potency and they still lose a 5 v 1 against Flashy Flash who speed blitzes and one shots all of them before they can even think.
I feel like Haku vs healthy Kimimaro would be a really interesting matchup
Kimimaro would get blitzed, Haku reacted to Kakashi's raikiri twice (once as an Edo and that version of Kakashi was KCM1 Naruto + speed)
@@aymanriki1018 I agree he would get blitzed but Kimimaro's durability is pretty good. Plus in CS2 he gets a pretty big boost in speed, though I doubt it puts him on par with Haku's. Like if Kimimaro survives the first blitz what does Haku do about that massive bone jutsu he used on Gaara and Lee that turned the entire battlefield into bone spikes? Idk I feel like Haku would probably win too but it's still interesting imo
Nah your all smoking base Edo Kimminaro dodged kcm one Naruto Rasenshuriken and was able too fight it off that he was left so a healthy curse mark two kimminaro should scale far above that Haku has no shot
hero association stomps
I have a question. Who's the weakest Naruto or Bleach character that can solo the Akatsuki. IMO for Naruto it's BSM Naruto (there's a gap between BSM Naruto against EMS Sasuke and KCM Naruto), while the weakest Bleach character is probably Starrk
Base sage mode Naruto would get obliterated by the akatsuki.
Sage Mode Naruto lost to Pain, I don't think he can beat the entire Akatsuki.
@@AviorGloria
BSM is Bijuu Sage Mode, the one who can stack sage mode on KCM 2
@@jacobjensen7704
BSM is Bijuu Sage Mode
EMS Sasuke (from war arc) ~ Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto (from war arc)
Implications and interpertation suck in Naruto because its one of the more vague series when it comes the scaling.
FR that's why nobody can agree on anything
FR that's why nobody can agree on anything
Fax’s like pain is probably on par or stronger than most of the kage and his most powerful can destroy a city but u might be able to scale that to multi cont somehow
Can you review the latest Opm chapter and garou's new badass form
I bet current Garou solos the naruto verse but then again his previous form probably could have done that too
@@sstinger9480 i mean if he hasnt beaten saitama then he doesnt solo
@@sstinger9480 I'm not sure about his previous form tho. But with his new form we might possibly get galaxy scaling
If King's there the 5 kage automatically lose because of meta luck
Metal Bat alone destroys them EZ clap
@@jesuspernia8031 your smoking ohnoki would one shot with partical style
@@jesuspernia8031 metal bat is getting smacked... ohnoki is op
@@lilmatty571 metal bat is continental ap so onoki will the one going to get rekt and also he was ftl
@@boss_man6939 I think you haven't read the manga of opm.
Hero association demolishes the five Kage and a decent portion of the verse. with the exception of a few tops tiers.
Isn't Saitama part of the Hero association ?
Yeah lol they probably meant S class
It wouldn't be fair
Imagen how Saitama going to feel when he barely hits Raikage wich is the most durable and make mince of him.
@@nicogoliath4902 Lol
If we don't take into account the shippuden Haku feats, then I say Gaara from part one completely choke-slams Haku from part one. Before he brought out the mirrors, Haku was getting pressed and served up by a genin level Sasuke without sharingan. His taijutsu wouldn't do shit to gaara, so he'd have no choice but to bring out the mirrors - in which case he wouldn't be able to damage him at fucking all. Gaara creates a sand tsunami and completely overwhelms his mirrors and does a giant sand burial. Gg.
Also, same shit for Kakashi. He'd shit wreck Haku. Either he dances circles around Haku and fucks him up beyond recognition with taijutsu alone, or worst case scenario - Haku uses ice mirrors, but Kakashi being the intelligent fighter he is leaves a clone under ground outside of the mirrors, in which case it pops out and does a huge fire style jutsu and/or raikiris the mirrors. OR the Kakashi inside the mirrors is a clone himself. Gg.
Fun fact: haku wasnt trying to kill sasuke or naruto he couldve easily aim for vital organs but he didnt.
@@uchihakiller201 True. Once he got sasuke in those ice mirrors it was pretty much over. I was just pointing out how Haku was getting folded in hand to hand combat with sasuke
It’s garra transforms full into Shikoku he beats haku and all he has to do is stay in that lil sand orb until he fully transforms and I don’t think hakus needles are piercing it when he threw those at sasuke the didn’t even go all the way through him so there’s no way in hell they get through garra sand orb when a whole ass chidadori barely got through it
Bruh, if he gets caught in the ice mirrors all he has to do is expand his sand until his mirrors cant contain him anymore. LMAO
@@triton1060 facts I don’t think this a good match up for haku
I don't think any of the page could destroyed multiple continents with a attack but I'm pretty sure someone like onki could produce the AP needed to
Wow this didn't turn out as I expected
I think onoki could wipe the whole heroes association with particle style
Gaara could be multi continental..he stopped madaras meteor with onokis help yes but he's alot stronger as a kage then his war arc self..a meteor that size should be multi cont..and if gaara can counter it then his potency should be similar...idk if he can cover a continent in sand but..his defense is op
Healthy Uchiha Itachi versus war arc Kakashi would be an interesting fight it would be a tough battle. そうか battling against reanimated Itachi would be a difficult battle for Kakashi.
Couldn’t Kakashi just kamui Itachi? I don’t think Itachi could escape that dimension.
@@sirnetflix7162 I don’t see a reason he could unless he pulls out and bullshit weapon
@@sirnetflix7162 Can't Itachi just spawn ribcage of a Susano'o to get in the way so the hole appears on it's bone instead of his own body?
@@Reality-Distortion thats not how kamui works its not like amaterasu
@@armin7321 Why do you think so?
Idk about ems sasuke destroying the espada especially if ulquiorra is at full power but the lower 5 get destroyed by him easily
if not ems sasuke then rinnegan sasuke absolutely slaps the whole Espada no question. But ichigo would also slap the akatsuki so it goes both ways really
Ems susanoo erases the entire espada
Wait but the Hero Association includes One Punch Man himself, so the Kage are not winning or surviving.
The Espada would dog walk EMS Sasuke 😂 WTH is he talking about
The espada are comparable to Bijuu and Kcm 1 1/2 Naruto bopped them. EMS Sasuke is more comparable to KCM2 Naruto (even though he isn't quite as strong) how could the espada defeated someone who scales higher in stats than them, has mind hax and flames that never extinguish?
Please break down what the hell the dead soul jutsu is because it seems like the reanimating jutsu
I wonder how Six would feel about alive Itachi being weaker than Edo. Lol. Ngl I kinda agree cuz Itachi has so many 1 shot kill moves that he used multiple times dying lol
To be fair ohnoki does carry an island so I think they could be at least country
But idk I don’t scale so idk
That island isn't that big unless of you compare the island to the entire size of Borneo or Madagascar
I mean he can only carry these heavy things
@@kodoqbesar4301 ohnoki did tank those two metoers falling on him dead center
@@gameuniverse5973
Unless you think the meteors are the size of California (which isn't because Madara's Perfect Susanoo is bigger than the meteor) Onoki is not tanking a legit country+ level attacks
Dang seems war arc kakashi is stronger than i thought
Don't ask seth anything about opm lmao he said cosmic garou was bijuu bomb level
The thing about multi continental kage is that visually it doesn’t seem that implied, but it is implied that they scale to bijuu who though definitely a lot weaker scale to Kurama who can destroy the earth. If they scale to bijuu then they are multi continental in AP. However they are not multi continental in DC
they can fight beings on that level but they cannot destroy multiple continents
I mean, the most non a bijuu character done before end game was pain destroying the village. which is like the size of a large town/small city and he used life force for that. I don’t like these vague statements, not a single kage can do what pain did let alone a whole fucking continent. In fact I’ve only ever seen the 10 tails show a country level feat in naruto.
@@dantheman5607 that is facts.. scaling is weird af and the statements never match the feats
Kurama being "planetary" is based off of a misinterpreted databook statement if you actually look at the kanji used
@@dantheman5607 no u don’t get it pain was Solar system level 🤓
EMS Sasuke Beats 9-5 Espada and Harribel most likely. When it comes to Barragon it depends if Amaterasu is stronger than Respira, or specifically if Amaterasu is really eternal flames, then respira cant age them out of existence because its immortal flame, but it might just last 7 days. Also Yammy is getting deleted. Starrk and Ulquiorra arent losing.
Rinnegan Sasuke beats them all. Rinnegan powers and Genjutsu
I think all of the espada from 4-1 are just way faster than ems sasuke
Wait I don't see ems Sasuke beating all the espada. Even with genjustu he never showed the ability to use genjustu on multiple users before. And each of the espada are like centuries old with experience in battle and survival. I think they just outlast him
Raikage is undoubtably multi continental
Idk if you read bleach but grimmjow surpass ulquiorra and I didn't see Sasuke do anything crazy that the new grimmjow can do... also ulquiorra did OK in his fight with ichigo that can cut the chain of hell and grimmjow surpass that ulquiorra by allot and the other 2 espada got a power boost in the Manga lol I guess if they don't know anything about Sasuke they can lose but I feel if grimmjow blind side Sasuke it over
Why not do minato and sm naruto vs ms sasuke and edo ms itachi
this powerlevels are some times simple too stupid! Sasuke to this day uses iron kunais as viable weapons and got folded by a stab to the gut, despite some amazing racks he still firmly in a more grounded and human realm, he wouldn't survive any of the direct hits from a spada and that is what was cool about him, his fight with danzo in that bridge wouldn't even cover Ulquieragul's lanca de relanpago, it's like comparing 9mm vs a warhead.
Superman could kill people with a piece of paper does that make those people piece of paper level durability?
The hero association has flaws their ranking system isn’t 100% based on capabilities or fighting power, it’s entirely possible that metal knight could have a higher ap than even tatsu, and I’m assuming we don’t count blast, saitama, and king
Not really for metal knight, his robots got shitted on and tatsumaki destroyed fused psykos. But yeah their rankings aren't purely AP based
@@precursorapollo641 metal knight has never shown his true power in the story, tatsu has, it’s pretty obvious that he’s being written as a character who keeps his ace in the hole hidden
Tatsu could be stronger but there’s just no evidence, I mean the only other hero that’s more hidden and mysterious than metal knight is blast which shouldn’t count for nothing
@@realmasker8647 tatsumaki never had a chance too show her true power the multi Conti stuff was when she was severely weakened and was helping all the s class
@@gameuniverse5973 that’s fair enough, though my point still stands that metal night has much more build up going on for him right now, he’s practically involved with everything major in the opm verse
Not to mention he and tatsu are usually brought up together in ap conversations regardless, I wouldn’t be surprised if he did have some sort of world ending super weapon he’s trying to keep secret or something like that
@@realmasker8647 true if Naruto fans can scale like crazy then alittle scaling can’t hurt opm
Just finished bleach and i can confidently say….ems sasuke is not beating the espada.
War arc kakashi takes itachi don’t @ me
Bro seth is on some shit thinking war arc Haku is the same as part 1 naruto haku.
Fun stream.
If we are talking about Current 5 Kage naruto Solos, but Shippuden Kage couldn’t beat Saitama
Pretty sure sure tatsumaki is like moon lvl and saitama is like ftl I think they even take baruto
You sound crazy, thinking ems sauske would destroy the espada.
Dms kakashi vs kcm sage Minato. What if Minato had a sharingan?(dms Minato??) How strong is orochimaru with an Uchiha body?? Dms orochimaru, if you will.
DMS Kakashi would body kcm Minato who was below juubito getting sage mode stack onto it won't get him where DMS Kakashi at who was blitzing a amped Kaguya who the base version was said too be above three eyed juubidara maybe one eye or one eye god tree juubidara vs hypothetical Ksm Minato will be a debate
Ems Sasuke would NOT beat the Espada lol
@@marcoslightspeed5517 but the espada Have hacks of thier own like how do they get around baragan even but ya and speed is an issue in my opinon . Its definetly a fight but Sasuke 1v10 the espada is impossible lol. Even 1v1s I dont see him getting past Top 4 and how does he damage 5 espada .
@@tajneeley He does, the only espada that are actually strong are Ulqui,Barragom, and Yammy
@@marcoslightspeed5517 Sasuke one taps the fodder
@@MILDMONSTER1234 huhhhh stark does not exist who compared too first release Ulquiorra
Damn I might’ve been downplaying one punch man. They packing meat
I think Tatsumaki beats most of the naruto verse tbh, Seth mentioned her ripping off a slice of the planet but that was actually the person she was fighting. She did however twist all of Z city into itself, and ripped the monster association base out of the earth.
@@sstinger9480 Pre-Madara and Hashirama level characters yes.
Tatsumaki Solos
Flashy Flash speed blitzes them
Bang outclasses them
They can’t get past Darkshine’s durability or take his power
Drive Knight solos
Genos solos
Metal Bat solos
@@jesuspernia8031 even with her feat of nearly planet level debunked ? Unless ripping the monster association base out of earth is planet level. An im Not tryna argue I jus wanna know.
@@austinmc12
Not planet level, but I still think Tatsumaki negs them
Wrong, Gaara would shit on Haku. Like it's not even close, dude
Wonderweis resurrección vs Sasuke EMS
Sasuke EMS probably wins
@@kodoqbesar4301 so, only base yamamoto and base aizen can beat EMS sasuke?
@@chupapi630
Not necessarily. I'm sure top 3 Espada + Ulquiorra and Yammy can beat Wonderweiss. I'd rank EMS Sasuke around Starrk level
@@kodoqbesar4301 nooo, Base Wonderweis FTE Ukitake who scales with shunsui who scales with Stark Resurrección who is the strongest Espada (besides yammys strength). Res Wonderweis give base Yama a challenge. Base Yama>all shinigami in shikai(no Base aizen)and some in bankai.
@@chupapi630 Ems Sasuke still one shots the fodder
I mean, obviously Edo Itachi>Alive Itachi, because alive Itachi dies due to his illness if he pushes himself to his limits. But Edo Tensei is still a nerf, in every aspects, every stats Edo Itachi is weaker than alive Itachi. So I don't really know what you mean by he's weaker than EMS Sasuke. 🤔 You mean EMS Sasuke would be able to outlast alive Itachi, but obviously Edo Itachi doesn't die, so he could beat him, because Sasuke can't outlast him? That's true tho. Probably this is what you mean with Kakashi too. Which is true, yeah. Good that I had a question which I answered to myself, lmao.
Biggest difference between alive and Edo Itachi is that Itachi being an Edo basically means he has an EMS (minus a perfect Susanoo). Even though the body may be slightly weaker, he can just spam MS (or other jutsu) abilities without losing chakra, stamina or his eye sight, which isn’t something he’d be able to do if he’s alive even when healthy.
War arc kakashi also does have superior reaction feats taijutsu feats and he’s was able to spam kamui with not to considerable debuts where as itachi using his ability once already had noticeable effects. Pretty sure against sasuke which he knew was going to be his last fight he was only able to use his ms 3 times and a 4th time if you included his susano that blocked Kirin and defeated orochimaru.
How strong was prime alive Itachi ? 🤔
Unquantifiable
Itachi never had a prime he was always sick
@@dennis2667
"hypothetical" prime Itach
Probably as strong as Pain but will still be weaker than Obito
Assuming Itachi in his prime was roughly his edo self minus the edo nerf he'd be around edo Nagato level imho, maybe up to early KCM2 level. It could also be that because later on in his life when Itachi was sick he would have otherwise been in his prime and the reanimation jutsu removing his illness actually made him stronger than he ever was in his life.
Saitama squirt gun vs tailed beast bomb
Tsukiyomi destroys kakashi. Sick itachis techs have infinite AP and took out orochimaru hydra form easily. Kakashi took time to defeat and was relative to a simple 30 percent itachi clone. I don’t see how the climb to war arc kakashi makes kakashi anymore able to deal with itachi.
You must not know how much stronger war arc kakashi is then. Just go watch any proper video of kakashi's strength and you see he gets a massive amp in the war
Fam war arc kakashi can spam kamui 4+ times, was keeping up with Kcm naruto and was fighting 2 version2 tailed beasts.
Kakashi kamui a rasengan from a moving Kcm naruto who is faster than the raikage and alive/Sick itachi.
Kakashi might snipe itachi hand off or something
Kakashi countered Tsukuyomi in there second fight by the use of Shadow clone but even if Kakashi got hit by it Hebi Sasuke managed to break out of it if he can do it the Kakashi can as well
@@SRVaris kakashi could def break it considering he’s already experienced the technique first hand once and was able to already counter it a second time, now that he has access to his ms his sharingan should be superior than sasuke and he should be able to break through tsukunomi
kakashi one taps itachi even EMS, 5 kage one tap the hero association.
Dude, Tatsumaki literally solos the Kage🤣
@@revlismorningstar825 she gets flicked by tsunade
@Kōhai he isn't tho
@Kōhai show me the calc
@Kōhai nah seth is garbage at scaling, saitama is planet.
they have no answer for ohnoki lol ay scales to a tailed beast according to karin and the kage are relative
ohnoki literally destroyed a bunch of susano clones
The only kage with relative/superior AP to A is Tsunade. Even then, most bijuu dama calcs that are actually done properly unlike parrot's multi-cont one only net island-small country level AP. Whereas Tatsumaki scales to two high-end multi continental feats. She solos
@@josephisrael8959 theyre all relative its implied they just have different specialties. ohnoki solos lol
@@josephisrael8959 The other kage scale to AP above Ay because of susano clones.
The parrot calc which is also a nia calc is better and more consistent than any other calc since it uses the average size for mountains and naruto actually has more impressive mountais, also the retards that made the small country calcs also did a small moon level calc for the 10 tails which people like bee and half kurama scale to meaning the biju and kage also scale to it.
@@immortalthumbz tatsumaki destroys him lmao
Saying Edo Itachi is over EMS Sasuke is the biggest BS I've ever heard lmao 🤣
Yes Edo itachi is stronger than Ems sasuke
he's talking about EMS sasuke from the kabuto fight
He's talking about kabuto fight
@@closegripbenchpress489
I was bout to say cuz EMS Sasuke wasn't going all out and then showed another level of sussano later on against Jubito
@@thetruth997_ neither was itachi
lmao EMS sasuke Solos the Espada thats crazy to me. with little difficulty too.
That sounds like bs to me
@@jesuspernia8031 LMAO aye i dont even watch bleach. and it sounds like BS to me xD. ive never scaled the espada but coming from the bleach verse i know theyre fast and hax asf. so i dont know lmaoo Seth might be a bit misinformed on this one. i need his thoughts foreal
ems sasuke beats espada it's true but it's high difficulty
Yo. What if. Gaara... Had a sword?
Ems sauske beats all espada? Wut
Garou Claps
Garou is deffo in the hero association 😂😂😂
@@supersonicblaster5319 He sure is 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Since when did garou join the hero association
@@l.lawliet2222 CAP 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶
Saitama def claps tho
Everyone keeps forgetting ems Sasuke was just gonna kill kabuto and had full confidence in doing so, kabuto had a lot of anti sharingan utility but sasuke held back purposely
Yet could not follow Kabuto blitzing itachi with his sword and got sound genjustu
Honestly don't even know how much of that fight was even real, and itachi specifically tells Sasuke not to kill him so itachi probably thought it was a possibility as well
@@gameuniverse5973 honestly amaterasu one shots
@@weafy6007 Kabuto can just shed his skin
@@gameuniverse5973 we've seen him do that but you think Sasuke is just going to stand there we've seen him blitz down danzou who was appearing out of thin air. They obviously held back, kabuto is strong but to say he just took on itachi and Sasuke at full power is ludicrous Sasuke actually pinned him with an arrow if he wanted to kill he could have
tatsumaki alone I think can clap the Shinobi alliance
Yeah easilly, you can't count kakashi,naruto,sasuke, 1st and 4th hokage tough
Wait. How exactly does Sasuke win against Barragan? I'll wait. 😏
Genjutsu 😏
@@kamamara2567 if barragan has higher spiritual pressure he can negate it
@@kamamara2567 Riiiiight. You do realize that the minute Sasuke tries to touch him, his body will immediately decay, right? Right.
Amaterasu and susanoo
@@jobsidian4219 amaterasu and susanoo both age
Worst argument ever, using obito as a feat when obito was holding back the entire time. We saw how itachi vs kakashi goes and its not even close.
EXACTLY. Obito was literally barely using any of his jutsu. Nor did he use kamui at all
Its never stated/implied Obito was holding back in fact its the opposite Obito says he lost the fight & says he wants to kill Kakashi
Also we saw how Part 1 Kakashi vs Itachi went in which Kakashi forced Itachi to use his strongest illusion to end the fight quickly
@@SRVaris he didn’t force itachi to do anything really. Itachi was avoiding a long drawn out battle. His only intention was to remind Danzo to keep his hands off of Sasuke after Hiruzens passing. He could’ve literally killed Kakashi if he wanted, as Kakashi questioned why he didn’t.
@@diaabnasir471 Again Itachi used Tsukuyomi to end the fight quickly nothing else would have ended it as quickly as Tsukuyomi sans Amaterasu
Also Kakashi said Itachi could have killed him AFTER being hit with Tsukuyomi
Tsunade herself can literally kick a country away so to lowball the 5 kage so much is nuts af. “aRe tHEy mUlTi cOnTinental” it’s wild af seth do you just say shit now🤣like fighting someone who can drop meteors from the sky and you tlk like they’re city level threats.
When did she literally kick a country away
@@paige5158 it’s stated in the manga and it’s in the databooks you can look it up
@@whatstheweatherman7577 ahhhh another statement over feat
@@whatstheweatherman7577 can’t find anything that says it which ch and datebook were they mentioned in
@@whatstheweatherman7577 What a ridiculous statement, why didn't she kick away Madara with his perfect susano? Causing a country wide level of destruction with a single kick would easily scale to Madara slicing the mountains with his perfect susanoo. Even Pain who she couldn't do anything against, caused only a village level destruction, not a country level. So that doesn't make any sense.
EMS Sasuke wouldn't even be able to damage a single one of the Espada. Their iron skin means his chidori, sword attacks and fire abilities do nothing.
First bb
How is alive itachi in-between? It's stated alive is stronger than dead. Alive itachi may die but he would still wreck kakashi.
Sick alive itachi gets washed by war arc kakashi with ease better matchup would be Edo itachi vs war arc kakashi that would be close but DMS kakashi no dif all forms of itachi 🤣
Because Edo doesn't have a sickness. And Itachi has never been much of a raw power fighter so Edo nerf isn't even that important to him. Not only being dead heals him but it basically grants him EMS due to being numb to any pain.
@@Twix44 yes dms stomps but the question wasn't about dms it was about base war arc kakashi. Who's best feat was fighting some tailed beasts itachi would fodderize with genjutsu.
@@Reality-Distortion what's stopping itachi from killing him tho. Being sick doesn't weaken him it just lessens the attempts itachi has. Itachi only needs one attempt to blitz and genjutsu war arc kakashi.
@@rayvonvelez3129 Being on a death bed does weaken you quite a lot, especially when the entire good part of your arsenal basically requires self-mutilation.
Why do you think he's capable of blitzing him?