I agree , that is why mass effect died. Open worlds are not always fun . I really hope they focus on the rich rpgs system's like a good dialogue tree and immersive world .
Mass effect died because of the technical issues and the writing/characters. I love open worlds games and actually liked andromeda, and I can tell you the environments are one of the game's pros. Bioware did'nt execute how they went about the structure of activities/side quests within those worlds in the right way.
@@LandofBrickForests As another fan of Andromeda, I think most of the game is fine, combat especially. It's the mediocre writing that really tanks the feeling of the game. On top if that, the character Ryder is so much worse than Shepard was. You suddenly play an impotent protagonist, compared to the badass that is Shepard is. You can never pull off aggression and it always feels like your character is lacking. Other character's dialogue can get just downright lazy sometimes too.
Honestly, hub system or semi-open worlds are always better for me. They reward your exploration for instance. Open worlds are mostly copy-paste and beg for fast travel.
@👁 I'm glad you aren't either. There are many people who dislike fast travel systems. They remove any sense of exploration after you're 40% through the game and they completely break immersion. If you've played spiderman or red dead redemption, (both of which have a fast travel and/or warp system) you'd know that fast travel is far from necessary
@👁 right. I'm being ridiculous. If you think I'm somehow the only one that is against fast travel, you should try looking around the internet. You might see some * gasp * different perspectives.
Exactly I think they should just make the sequel whatever they feel is best and if they don't think that open world will work then so be it. It doesn't have to be this big open world sequel if they don't want it to be.
Exactly. I'd rather have small, detailed and interesting open hubs (like Deus Ex), than an empty, shallow open world. I just recently played Rage 2 and I couldn't even finish the game. Mainly because the open world was a complete desaster.
@S.ns. Yeah it seems very unnecessary in a lot of games. It's like the only purpose is to boast it on the back of the box and to pad the play time. It gets pretty obvious when the developers copy and paste environments. The Just Cause games have a huge map but all it does is increase the time it takes to get from point A to point B
Leonard Boyarski, what a man, saying no to money so that their vision for the game can be executed properly. I wish all game companies thought like this.
They aquired inXile as well. Those are two pretty strong cards in xbox's favor. I'm going ps5 no matter what, but I think there will be some really good exclusive xbox games in the future.
I don’t want this as an Xbox exclusive because I don’t want to buy a whole system for one game. If they put it on Microsoft Windows -I’m talking about the sequel- I’d be fine with that.
Ide like too see atleast a bit more space on the maps. The whole time i played Outer Worlds i always felt the edges and invisible walls of the maps. It always left a kind of constrained feeling in the back of my mind. Especially in Scylla where you can see the end of the map from everywhere. An example: i tried to jump over some rocks to take a shortcut but there was invisible walls forcing you to take the linear path given to reach the destination. Monarch was a decent size but it had so many linear paths and the map itself is designed so that you have to walk around the entire thing, you cant go through the middle. I just couldnt help but feel like i was always being funnelled to destinations instead of going where i want on my own accord. It's not to say i didnt enjoy the exploration, it just left me wanting more from it. I understand that trading off a giant world for more content in more compact spaces has payed off really well, theres a lot of depth and possibility in the options and choices the game provides which they probably wouldnt have executed so well in a giant open world. But imo, if they are going to make an outer worlds 2.. It needs to be bigger. Especially if it wants to surpass this games success.
@@Maxx_XIII While I agree generally that both is possible, usually its either one or the other. New Vegas did have a LOT of bugs. It was still much better than any other Fallout :D
Dude fuck no DLCs are just ripping gullible dillholes like u off. Its content that should have been put in the game or could be put in a sequel but they say “o we just now came up with this” and charge u more money for something u already paid for. Anyone who buys any DLC ever is a fucking retard and so are devs for plotting this bullshit 20 years ago 🖕🏻
@@steel5897 Think of it this way. The Outer Worlds is a brand new franchise. Cain and Boyarsky had to adhere to a AA budget for this first game, only $10m. When building the lore of the universe, they came up with the basis for an entire universe. The Outer Worlds is set within a single star system in that universe. Personally, the idea that they are eager to jump in with both feet and get to building on that with a larger budget means that it will still be a passion project, rather than an obligation dropped on them by Microsoft.
@@steel5897 the interviewer specifically asked them about a sequel, friend. He wanted them to elaborate on this specific scenario, and that's what they did.
@@insertedgynamehere5755 My introduction to Fallout was Fallout 3. New Vegas is my favorite though. Also my top 3 favorite developers are pretty tough competition.
Remember Alpha Protocol! Super linear story focused but with satisfying 3rd person action/stealth mechanics to move from level to level. But the real juicy bits were the branching story and how your choices (think Shepherd from ME a la punching the reporter) and I tell you, I was so addicted to it and it made a lasting impression. I’m not worried AT ALL about Outer Worlds.
i agree - im more interested in more linear story-focused games where the freedom/exploration comes more from how you go about completing missions/quests and the decisions you can make to affect the story. games more like dishonored, bioshock/prey, etc.
I'd argue that the best part of Fallout New Vegas is the initial quest line, where you are essentially told to go in a particular direction until you reach Vegas. You went through particular towns on a wide arc until you finally reached the mythical city. Obviously it is open world and most players start to explore on wildly different paths after Novac, but there was still a direction and a "hub-world" feel going on. That direction and drive is compelling and much less intimidating for players to tackle.
My first time I used a stealth boy to get past the deathclaws and went straight to New Vegas. It was quite the experience. I have nothing against being given a direction, but I also love that kind of freedom.
I normally love open world games, but this game definitely has more going for it and the fact that they're not just limited to one world map I think. The only reason that I can think of for it being open world is the fact that sometimes my computer loads slow so constant back and forth missions can take a toll on you. But in the end that mainly comes down to Quest management
@@moregan101 if AAA is only baied on the size of the game then no it is not a AAA game, if it is based on a COMPLETE, BUG-FREE game at launch then it is defently AAA.
Bought it on PS4 and love it. I'd buy a sequel wthout needing to see a single preview or review, a trust I have due to the greatness of this first game. Thanks for all the fun, Obsidian. I'm appreciating it.
I love Open World games, but hub areas allow more and better realized separate environments quite often. Bethesda’s games for example are “mostly” more open world RPGs (most of the larger separate extra content areas being dlc). I love exploring them but there is a kind of limit to what you can do without either taking forever to make a game, or have other sacrifices (Just Cause and FC for example, with a lot of repeated activities in such a huge world). Outer Worlds seems to suit the Hub mold well-it’s something devs like Obsidian, BioWare, etc use pretty heavily anyways. Dragon Age for example has some sizable hubs in Inquisition which allowed very diverse regions. Fable traditional did the same. Mass Effect Andromeda in particular followed that too, although OW already looks to have more Life to it than it did imo. So I’m still happy for non “fully” open world games. I’m sure there will be enough room to still allow exploration in OW too, as they sort of grew from hub based exploration games anyways (much like BioWare and inXile-Classic crpg origins for all 3’s founders).
The other takeaway from this video that has me really excited is that they are talking a sequel already. They very well should be. I haven't seen the numbers but it seems like a lot of people are playing The Outer Worlds and a lot of people including myself absolutely love it. This game is timed so perfectly given the state of things right now with other AAA developers. They could not have picked a better time to put this out. I am pre primed to love everything this game stands for in how it was released and what the story is about.
If they stick with hub worlds, they need to make them more intricate like deus ex, and also design the combat encounters abit better. Also loot needs to be fixed and difficulty needs to be spiced up with something more than just more HP and damage.
Id really like to see a lot of the the hubs be a bit more like monarch. a couple different related settlements in the hub. The game was great i just wish i had more honestly.
Open World can be done in a way that creates an explorable space, that is a pleasure to return to over time. Skyrim & RDR2 are excellent examples of this. If you want more development cycles and product releases, open world games are counter-intuitive to your business model. Smaller, consecutive releases lets you iterate on your story & mechanics over time & develop them. Borderlands 2 was an excellent example of this, using DLC to explore & extend their world building & design over time. Its interesting to think about. Good talk
Doesn't have to be open world, but I think having encounters in space (like what would happen in fallout 1 and 2 in the map travel portions) would be really interesting. Could be pirates, enemy faction ships, maybe abandoned stations with some story bits, etc.
Aaron Mcclure I know I’m just saying though that if Sony dominates the next gen consoles like they have with the current gen Microsoft would be shooting themselves in the foot making it exclusive if Sony continues to dominate the console market but we’ll just have to see
Beat this game 4 times, all different endings, unique weapons and different playstyles(cowboy, heavy gunner, captain and thief/sniper). 10/10 will buy the sequel without batting an eyelash. Also will buy the fuck out of their dlcs if and when they arrive.
Love the insight provided by these developers. It's amazing to hear they don't want a huge budget. I wonder if that's a common sentiment in the industry.
Another vote for the hub or "semi open-world" style, it usually gives better pacing and a more refined experience than making the player constantly warping between waypoins just for the sake of a bigger map.
I totally agree with this and I love how these guys are sticking to their guns. After playing the game I totally love the world they've made. I wouldn't want it to much bigger in the little Hub worlds , just big enough to have a couple different terrains. Pack it solid with side content , better character customization , more armor and outfits to wear. Like Fallout 4 , where's some outfits you can put armor over them. But I think it'll be totally f****** Epic , to have every planet have its own loading screen but to be able to fly the ship around in the space area , to a planet like Ratchet & Clank 2.
Only questions. How do you get to the other planets that don't seem to have any direct access? Did I miss a quest line to get to Olympus and the other two planets, or did my play through style just disallow me a way there? And, what's with the locked planet? Please let me know...
I would prefer a hybrid of open world and tighter discreet locations. All the significant story stuff could be tied to discrete locations as in TOW, but you could provide a planet or two for overland exploration that is a wide open planet with a few biomes but no direct link to story; or make the story bits only affect part of the world. Like, I would love it if the Monarch ground zone was 50x the area it is, but with the story part of the map exactly like the map is now in game. But it's all good; TOW is an amazing game as-is.
I don’t mind if they don’t go full Open World and keep it as they did in the first as long as they expand and introduce more planets/solar systems to visit. Maybe even include a secret mission to Earth to find out what really happened. I.think how they approached each location as being tinier semi-open worlds split up into different areas helped move along the narrative and getting around to do side quests didn’t feel like a chore, as long as they fix the ridiculous load times (I played on a base PS4, didn’t hinder my experience much if at all other than the sometimes too long load times) and keep the same RPG/dialogue systems it’ll be incredible, I fucking loved this game. I just want more than 2 planets 1 moon and a handful of space stations to visit.
I'm surprised by how polished this game feels. It was really fun and immersive. My 2 main critiques are that character movement felt kind of slow in combat and the hubs were a bit too small. I get they probably didn't have an enormous budget, and whats there is really polished and fun, but I can't help but want just a bit more. I'm very interested in a sequel, this was great.
it's not even out yet and we want DLC, an expansion, mods, TOW2... That being said, it being semi-open world like the KOTOR series were would be nice. Not railroaded, but still heavily structured and able to revisit old areas that aren't locked out.
Maybe a Procedural generated dungeon crawler dlc that you can do after game is finished with level cap so you have a certain type of character and play as much combat as you like with that character type and farm weapons and armor.
I don't think we need "open" world, but I think we can use something with some more mobility within the spaces we have. Simply increasing verticality it'll feel MASSIVE
They don't need to make an open world, BUT I would prefer bigger areas. Maybe cut the world into 4 main exteriors. The Outer Worlds had a few areas that felt like they didn't need to be kept separated from the others. Roseway specifically felt too shallow for having it's own area. I think I would've preferred if they just combined Roseway with Emerald Vale. One thing The Outer Worlds is missing is simply exploring the world, something that would be helped by an open world or at the very least, bigger maps. I feel like the main story takes you everywhere and for some reason that leaves me with this feeling that there's no exploration. You're not going places just to look around, you're going there for a task. I like to have both, but maybe that's just me. I get why they'd cut it into smaller areas though, so I wouldn't mind either way.
I really enjoy large open-world games because the game feels like a journey across the land. But Outer Worlds is in space so it makes sense that you would travel from planet to planet but I don't want those planets to feel small. You're visiting an entire new world and if your visit is confined to a small city then you're visiting a city, not a planet.
Budget must be also a Factor.I've already playing the game an early copy arrived yesterday, im 10 hours in now.Its really good in terms of RPG,Immersion,Gunplay,Dialogue and Story.But takes too long to start the first 4 hours are like an talking simulator.Also the world is really empty and clean, most environments are often recycled and the loading times are way too long for a game with such average Graphics. It's sadly not an Masterpiece, but a really good game so far.
Large and smaller sized areas kinda like dragon age inquisition would be great and even some places like groundbreaker with more upper and lower levels to visit would be great so long as they make these areas worth exploring not just for loot but for special encounters and hidden quests and things like that could really add to the world. It would also be great if they made some of these places worth revisiting for instance if a quest that was done earlier and your choices changed what faction now holds the area or the area has become overrun with wild beasts because a gang of bandits was cleared out or something and new quests options open up. Also id be open to some kinda spaceship type missions or encounters in space or something if it was done right.
The open world debate is intresting here in that playing this game is a lot like playing a game based on the show fire fly and to be able to get into and take off and fly a ship that big around a sandbox solar system with integrated maps would be logically taking this franchise to the next level bc that was my only criticism when I first played outer worlds was I’d love to fly the ship
Im really exited to play the Game,also its nice to see Devs who are so passionate and generous about their game,otherwise it wouldnt end up in the Game pass at release,what will definetly effect the Sales.A Developer with that reputation could demand Microsoft to not put it in,i think.
I like the several planet structure/half open way the world is. I do, however, wish the game was longer. Mass Effect 2 could be played for over 100 hours without having to restart and that's kinda what I think this game should be. I get that some would like to play again as a different character, but I rather keep accumulating levels and gear instead of a hard ending that forces you to start over and replay things slightly differntly.
Hubs are actually perfect for games like this. I would say those of us enjoying the game would rather see expanded hubs. So for the next game we would want to see more hubs (and maybe even some of the original hubs from the first) that are densely packed with awesome characters and architecture instead of an open world that lacks detail.
I prefer the hub world model. You just make the terrain open in some areas. Everyone compares this to New Vegas but that was open world. Outer Worlds feels a lot closer to Star Wars Kotor 1 and 2 as far as the overall structure. You have a ship and travel to different planets and moons and space stations. This is my favorite game model. Obsidian and CDPR are probably going to be the two best companies for games now
I think they they've done with this game is great. I don't really want them to make it into another totally open world game, as that just doesn't seem like it's going to allow for the kind of storytelling that they excel at.
If totally fine with multiple smaller areas. For one the game is going to run way better. Secondly, the idea of exploring multiple planets is way more cool of an idea that just exploring one giant one.
Refreshing to have a shorter game time as well, 100hrs+ open world games have there place but they can get tiresome if that's all are made, the shorter more opened ended titles are great, can't wait to play Outer worlds
Well, I'm glad I get to play The Outer Worlds 1 because if a sequel is Xbox exclusive i probably won't be playing it. It would be great to own every console but PlayStation has been good to me over the last 20 years. I'm staying the course. Hopefully Bethesda's next Fallout is fun.
As much as I love open worlds (when done right), I'd much rather have hub RPGs or even like... single city (a large city) RPGs. Something that's insanely detailed and polished but not expansive (and shallow) is a win in my book. Look at Yakuza. They're like ~7 games into the franchise at this point, and most games feature one recurring main location with a few small side locations sprinkled in (one or two per game). Granted, each game evolves the city, but the point is more that - although it's one city - it's one content-rich city full of stuff you're happy to waste time with. Look at AC:O, on the other hand. HUGE RPG. Probably the biggest we've gotten ever. But it's also so full of emptiness, copy/paste, and abysmal quests with stories you really don't care about. And that isn't on the devs. When you're so stretched, sacrifices like this are bound to happen.
Microsoft buying Obsidian and doing this Xbox Game Pass stuff has forced me to reconsider my opinion on their gaming division. Before the Xbone released they seemed to be the more constrictive, un-consumer-friendly company in gaming. Now with Phil Spencer they seem much more about pleasing their customers, and less about simply making money at any cost.
Personally I really liked Outer Worlds but if they made a sequel I'd probably want them to focus a little more on the main story cause it didn't feel particularly fleshed out and probably fewer but more focused companions.
I mean they should go with their gut, I played outer worlds for around 8,5 hours now and I’ve done every quest I can possibly find just because I found it that good I’ve rarely had that magical feeling in a rpg since playing new Vegas, if the open world they’re making is like New Vegas and it’s full of quantity and quality I’m all done for a bigger outer worlds, this outer worlds is pretty big but not the biggest rpg they’ve done, however it’s just so damn good and refined in the rpg aspects especially, I’m sure they’re gonna make huge profit, I’m done for anything inter worlds wether it’s expansion or new games.
I love the developers from obsidian. I am playing through the game on game pass but i think im gonna buy a physical copy so i can feel like i am directly supporting the devs :)
Open worlds can be fine, if said world is compact and has plenty of stuff to do and see in it. Rockstar has this formula nailed down, most other companies don't. In the case of a game like Outer Worlds, I would prefer that they focus on other aspects of the game (more variants of weapons and armor, more factions and faction-related quests, etc.) instead of trying to create an "open world game."
We've seen this movie so many times. Just a few years ago companies like Obsidian and Ninja Theory were exclaiming their joy at being independent and not beholden to a major publisher. Bungie popped champagne after getting away from Microsoft, who wanted them to do nothing but make Halo for the rest of eternity, and then immediately signed up with Activision. They popped champagne after that split too. After a game or two the corporation starts to get their fingers into things. I have all the faith in Obsidian, and I'm glad The Outer Worlds is getting that last push with Microsoft money, but I worry about the future. If Microsoft wants an open world sequel, I'm pretty sure they'll get it one way or another.
@@liamc3433 What's even more funny is that 90% of Sony first party games are third person action adventures. All of them story driven too. Such a coincidence that those studios all wanted to make the same kind of games.
There's a Possibility of Course but if this Game does well Microsoft won't touch Obsidian just like EA Doesn't touch Respawn Entertainment. Corporation are Stupid but not that Stupid.
i don't hate these kinds of mini open worlds maps. but outerworlds lacks exploration potential imo. i woudl've like maybe a little big bigger maps to have more of an exploration feels so that i don't feel like veryone discover exactly the same things. mechanics like random loots and maybe more hidden paths and building for hidden sidequests would be cool. the game is still pretty good.
I’m fine with that tbh all I’d like from the next outer worlds is; Bigger, better & more of everything! I’d like the hubs to be bigger and the story to be just a couple hours longer. Ohh and aliens, definitely felt like this game didn’t need but could been that much cooler if it had a faction(s) of aliens. Like come on humans can’t be the only smart life forms out there. Other than that maybe spaceship battles and more customizable weapons and outfits ( looks/esthetics wise). I don’t think I’ve had every outfit in the game but they could be cooler looking.
Tbh if Outer Worlds is good and exceeds sales expectations giving Obsidian the required monetary support then i see no harm in making the sequel open world Plus with Microsoft by their side and taking their time they can truely create a open living breathing world . If they can be less like Ubisoft and more like CDPR just imagine how awesome it would be. Just remember how well the shift to open world for Witcher 2 to Witcher 3 worked out ....if passion is there it is POSSIBLE
This and KOTOR 2 style large hubs are fine by me. Just give me that Obsidian charm and amazing RPG systems.
I agree , that is why mass effect died. Open worlds are not always fun . I really hope they focus on the rich rpgs system's like a good dialogue tree and immersive world .
@@347tester check out greedfall
Mass effect died because of the technical issues and the writing/characters. I love open worlds games and actually liked andromeda, and I can tell you the environments are one of the game's pros. Bioware did'nt execute how they went about the structure of activities/side quests within those worlds in the right way.
@@LandofBrickForests As another fan of Andromeda, I think most of the game is fine, combat especially. It's the mediocre writing that really tanks the feeling of the game. On top if that, the character Ryder is so much worse than Shepard was. You suddenly play an impotent protagonist, compared to the badass that is Shepard is. You can never pull off aggression and it always feels like your character is lacking. Other character's dialogue can get just downright lazy sometimes too.
I completely agree. They should give mass effect to cdpr, can you imagine what ME game would be like if it were made by them?
Honestly, hub system or semi-open worlds are always better for me. They reward your exploration for instance. Open worlds are mostly copy-paste and beg for fast travel.
Marius Aurelius most semi open worlds and hubs have fast travel lmao.
@👁 they should have warp points, not fast travel
@👁 I'm glad you aren't either. There are many people who dislike fast travel systems. They remove any sense of exploration after you're 40% through the game and they completely break immersion. If you've played spiderman or red dead redemption, (both of which have a fast travel and/or warp system) you'd know that fast travel is far from necessary
@@ryantheready3066 my statement is that they beg you to fast travel not that hub system or semi-open worlds don't have fast travel.
@👁 right. I'm being ridiculous. If you think I'm somehow the only one that is against fast travel, you should try looking around the internet. You might see some * gasp * different perspectives.
Open world can ruin pacing if the world is not filled with interesting things.
True
Exactly I think they should just make the sequel whatever they feel is best and if they don't think that open world will work then so be it. It doesn't have to be this big open world sequel if they don't want it to be.
Yep, I still remember that mostly empty desert in Dragon Age Inquisition
I HATED THAT MAP !
This opinion holds true with Mike and Zach's adventure in New Vegas. But for the good of all they should support mods as well
That's the most ignorant thing I've read today. Open world doesn't mean big, it means you're free to explore the world at your own pace.
I like open hubs for this kind of game. Like deus ex or kotor
Exactly. I'd rather have small, detailed and interesting open hubs (like Deus Ex), than an empty, shallow open world. I just recently played Rage 2 and I couldn't even finish the game. Mainly because the open world was a complete desaster.
@S.ns. Yeah it seems very unnecessary in a lot of games. It's like the only purpose is to boast it on the back of the box and to pad the play time. It gets pretty obvious when the developers copy and paste environments. The Just Cause games have a huge map but all it does is increase the time it takes to get from point A to point B
Yup i just want them to make it a bit bigger which im sure they will.
True though anyone else agree that the Deus ex environments, for the last 2 games, have been very dreary and uninteresting?
Leonard Boyarski, what a man, saying no to money so that their vision for the game can be executed properly. I wish all game companies thought like this.
I totally agree its refreshing....
The open-world debate can be summarised in one equation: quality > quantity
That depends on the open world though.
There are games that offer you quality AND quantity. Ex: Witcher 3, Zelda BOTW, RDR 2, etc.
Why not both?
Yes
Best move Microsoft has made in years.
@Oz Osgood one of
as long as micro dick does not fuck us
They aquired inXile as well. Those are two pretty strong cards in xbox's favor. I'm going ps5 no matter what, but I think there will be some really good exclusive xbox games in the future.
I don’t want this as an Xbox exclusive because I don’t want to buy a whole system for one game. If they put it on Microsoft Windows -I’m talking about the sequel- I’d be fine with that.
@@ededdneddy4ever34 all xbox games will be on PC going forward.
One thing I love about Obsidian is that they have been very honest about the game not being a huge multi million dollar project
In every interview I've seen them in they come across so incredibly humble and professional. It's so refreshing.
Ide like too see atleast a bit more space on the maps.
The whole time i played Outer Worlds i always felt the edges and invisible walls of the maps. It always left a kind of constrained feeling in the back of my mind. Especially in Scylla where you can see the end of the map from everywhere.
An example: i tried to jump over some rocks to take a shortcut but there was invisible walls forcing you to take the linear path given to reach the destination.
Monarch was a decent size but it had so many linear paths and the map itself is designed so that you have to walk around the entire thing, you cant go through the middle.
I just couldnt help but feel like i was always being funnelled to destinations instead of going where i want on my own accord.
It's not to say i didnt enjoy the exploration, it just left me wanting more from it.
I understand that trading off a giant world for more content in more compact spaces has payed off really well, theres a lot of depth and possibility in the options and choices the game provides which they probably wouldnt have executed so well in a giant open world.
But imo, if they are going to make an outer worlds 2.. It needs to be bigger. Especially if it wants to surpass this games success.
Quality over quantity - I like that.
They can make a game that has both. New Vegas was that.
@@Maxx_XIII While I agree generally that both is possible, usually its either one or the other. New Vegas did have a LOT of bugs. It was still much better than any other Fallout :D
This universe looks amazing and I hope they start working on DLC immediately I want to see more of The Outer Worlds
Agreed
Dude fuck no DLCs are just ripping gullible dillholes like u off. Its content that should have been put in the game or could be put in a sequel but they say “o we just now came up with this” and charge u more money for something u already paid for. Anyone who buys any DLC ever is a fucking retard and so are devs for plotting this bullshit 20 years ago 🖕🏻
Man, the game hasn't even come out yet, and already Obsidian is fielding "what are your plans for the sequel..."
Devs talking about sequels before their first game in the series is even out is always a very bad sign.
I hope I'm wrong.
@@steel5897 Think of it this way. The Outer Worlds is a brand new franchise. Cain and Boyarsky had to adhere to a AA budget for this first game, only $10m. When building the lore of the universe, they came up with the basis for an entire universe. The Outer Worlds is set within a single star system in that universe. Personally, the idea that they are eager to jump in with both feet and get to building on that with a larger budget means that it will still be a passion project, rather than an obligation dropped on them by Microsoft.
@@steel5897 the interviewer specifically asked them about a sequel, friend. He wanted them to elaborate on this specific scenario, and that's what they did.
Steel Tarkus well you were wrong
Steel Tarkus good news ur wrong
Can't wait to play this on Xbox game pass.
Lately Obsidian are becoming one of my favorite developers.
Lately? Have you not played the previous fallouts? 🤔🤨
@@insertedgynamehere5755 My introduction to Fallout was Fallout 3. New Vegas is my favorite though. Also my top 3 favorite developers are pretty tough competition.
Remember Alpha Protocol! Super linear story focused but with satisfying 3rd person action/stealth mechanics to move from level to level. But the real juicy bits were the branching story and how your choices (think Shepherd from ME a la punching the reporter) and I tell you, I was so addicted to it and it made a lasting impression. I’m not worried AT ALL about Outer Worlds.
Not every game has to be open world, personally I’m sick of them and avoid them.
open-world games are great for people who want to explore a vast unknown, not for great storytelling.
i agree - im more interested in more linear story-focused games where the freedom/exploration comes more from how you go about completing missions/quests and the decisions you can make to affect the story. games more like dishonored, bioshock/prey, etc.
I def. don't blindly trust that open world = autowin
I mostly avoid open world games because they have bad/boring quests.
yeah i would of liked it a little larger but it didn"T need to fuLLY open world
RDR has huge map but after story there is nothing more to do so smaller map with more content is better imo
Vojtech Barton exactly
true, and you can compare it to RDR2 online, where it feels empty, cause there is no narrative or point of interest, is just you in the wild west.
@schakalakadingdong it aint fine by me
I mean, its the west, its supposed to be vast and long to travel across. lol
I cant think of any reason I wouldnt want The Outer Worlds to be 80+ hours long
I don't miss the open world. My favourites are the old crpgs and they always felt more interesting to me
I'd argue that the best part of Fallout New Vegas is the initial quest line, where you are essentially told to go in a particular direction until you reach Vegas. You went through particular towns on a wide arc until you finally reached the mythical city. Obviously it is open world and most players start to explore on wildly different paths after Novac, but there was still a direction and a "hub-world" feel going on. That direction and drive is compelling and much less intimidating for players to tackle.
My first time I used a stealth boy to get past the deathclaws and went straight to New Vegas. It was quite the experience. I have nothing against being given a direction, but I also love that kind of freedom.
I normally love open world games, but this game definitely has more going for it and the fact that they're not just limited to one world map I think. The only reason that I can think of for it being open world is the fact that sometimes my computer loads slow so constant back and forth missions can take a toll on you. But in the end that mainly comes down to Quest management
Outer worlds: *releases in the week*
Obsidian: “alright so about the sequel...”
Actually, they were asked about a sequel, so they answer. That's quite a natural thing to do when you are asked, you know.
Whats funny is most AAA developers would be talking about dlc at this point
@@AsianTheDomination They're an AA dev, remember that!
@@moregan101 if AAA is only baied on the size of the game then no it is not a AAA game, if it is based on a COMPLETE, BUG-FREE game at launch then it is defently AAA.
@@kazadori164 wait you saw AAA game almost bug free? Where?
Bought it on PS4 and love it. I'd buy a sequel wthout needing to see a single preview or review, a trust I have due to the greatness of this first game.
Thanks for all the fun, Obsidian. I'm appreciating it.
lets hope that microsoft exec doesn't make the sequel xbox/pc exclusive then. I play it on ps4 too and i'm not buying an xbox
I love Open World games, but hub areas allow more and better realized separate environments quite often.
Bethesda’s games for example are “mostly” more open world RPGs (most of the larger separate extra content areas being dlc). I love exploring them but there is a kind of limit to what you can do without either taking forever to make a game, or have other sacrifices (Just Cause and FC for example, with a lot of repeated activities in such a huge world).
Outer Worlds seems to suit the Hub mold well-it’s something devs like Obsidian, BioWare, etc use pretty heavily anyways. Dragon Age for example has some sizable hubs in Inquisition which allowed very diverse regions. Fable traditional did the same. Mass Effect Andromeda in particular followed that too, although OW already looks to have more Life to it than it did imo.
So I’m still happy for non “fully” open world games. I’m sure there will be enough room to still allow exploration in OW too, as they sort of grew from hub based exploration games anyways (much like BioWare and inXile-Classic crpg origins for all 3’s founders).
Multi hubs can allow for more detailed memorable content while also providing a way to gatekeep environments for narrative.
The other takeaway from this video that has me really excited is that they are talking a sequel already. They very well should be. I haven't seen the numbers but it seems like a lot of people are playing The Outer Worlds and a lot of people including myself absolutely love it. This game is timed so perfectly given the state of things right now with other AAA developers. They could not have picked a better time to put this out. I am pre primed to love everything this game stands for in how it was released and what the story is about.
If they stick with hub worlds, they need to make them more intricate like deus ex, and also design the combat encounters abit better. Also loot needs to be fixed and difficulty needs to be spiced up with something more than just more HP and damage.
Id really like to see a lot of the the hubs be a bit more like monarch. a couple different related settlements in the hub. The game was great i just wish i had more honestly.
Not everything needs to be open world. I'm so tired of the Ubisoft style open world games.
Then dont play them, douche
@@LordMaxwellx It's pretty fucking difficult when the vast majority are like that, douche.
@Lord Maxwell Who said he was still playing them, douche.
@@aedof Glad devs like ND exist.
Open World can be done in a way that creates an explorable space, that is a pleasure to return to over time. Skyrim & RDR2 are excellent examples of this. If you want more development cycles and product releases, open world games are counter-intuitive to your business model. Smaller, consecutive releases lets you iterate on your story & mechanics over time & develop them. Borderlands 2 was an excellent example of this, using DLC to explore & extend their world building & design over time. Its interesting to think about. Good talk
Doesn't have to be open world, but I think having encounters in space (like what would happen in fallout 1 and 2 in the map travel portions) would be really interesting. Could be pirates, enemy faction ships, maybe abandoned stations with some story bits, etc.
I feel like they set it up perfect to add new planets with short stories as DLC
The only thing that would hurt this game is making it an exclusive
Microsoft owns the IP and obsidian sequel will be a exclusive
Aaron Mcclure I know I’m just saying though that if Sony dominates the next gen consoles like they have with the current gen Microsoft would be shooting themselves in the foot making it exclusive if Sony continues to dominate the console market but we’ll just have to see
I love you, Ben, for being such a Mass Effect fan! :D And, for being a generally wonderful human being and the best interviewer in the biz
Pleeeeeeeeease give us dlc with some of the planets we couldn't go to on the map yet!!!
Beat this game 4 times, all different endings, unique weapons and different playstyles(cowboy, heavy gunner, captain and thief/sniper). 10/10 will buy the sequel without batting an eyelash. Also will buy the fuck out of their dlcs if and when they arrive.
Love the insight provided by these developers. It's amazing to hear they don't want a huge budget. I wonder if that's a common sentiment in the industry.
Another vote for the hub or "semi open-world" style, it usually gives better pacing and a more refined experience than making the player constantly warping between waypoins just for the sake of a bigger map.
I liked how they did outer worlds without a full on open world. I think it actually made me appreciate the individual areas more.
I totally agree with this and I love how these guys are sticking to their guns. After playing the game I totally love the world they've made. I wouldn't want it to much bigger in the little Hub worlds , just big enough to have a couple different terrains. Pack it solid with side content , better character customization , more armor and outfits to wear. Like Fallout 4 , where's some outfits you can put armor over them. But I think it'll be totally f****** Epic , to have every planet have its own loading screen but to be able to fly the ship around in the space area , to a planet like Ratchet & Clank 2.
Please stop asking for every RPG to be some huge open world. It only works for some games.
Only questions. How do you get to the other planets that don't seem to have any direct access? Did I miss a quest line to get to Olympus and the other two planets, or did my play through style just disallow me a way there? And, what's with the locked planet? Please let me know...
What they did was fine but maybe just have bigger areas, more places to go into and explore, and more planets, ships, moons to land on.
I would prefer a hybrid of open world and tighter discreet locations. All the significant story stuff could be tied to discrete locations as in TOW, but you could provide a planet or two for overland exploration that is a wide open planet with a few biomes but no direct link to story; or make the story bits only affect part of the world. Like, I would love it if the Monarch ground zone was 50x the area it is, but with the story part of the map exactly like the map is now in game. But it's all good; TOW is an amazing game as-is.
I don’t mind if they don’t go full Open World and keep it as they did in the first as long as they expand and introduce more planets/solar systems to visit. Maybe even include a secret mission to Earth to find out what really happened.
I.think how they approached each location as being tinier semi-open worlds split up into different areas helped move along the narrative and getting around to do side quests didn’t feel like a chore, as long as they fix the ridiculous load times (I played on a base PS4, didn’t hinder my experience much if at all other than the sometimes too long load times) and keep the same RPG/dialogue systems it’ll be incredible, I fucking loved this game. I just want more than 2 planets 1 moon and a handful of space stations to visit.
I love this game so much 💕💕 I hope they bring the cast back. Parvati and Felix are my favorite 💕💕
I’m playing the shit out of this game it’s so good!The npc companions are awesome.
Hub worlds>open worlds
Open worlds are a clear case of quantity over quality the vastness of a ocean but the depth of a puddle
Except for witcher 3 and few others
I'm surprised by how polished this game feels. It was really fun and immersive. My 2 main critiques are that character movement felt kind of slow in combat and the hubs were a bit too small. I get they probably didn't have an enormous budget, and whats there is really polished and fun, but I can't help but want just a bit more. I'm very interested in a sequel, this was great.
it's not even out yet and we want DLC, an expansion, mods, TOW2... That being said, it being semi-open world like the KOTOR series were would be nice. Not railroaded, but still heavily structured and able to revisit old areas that aren't locked out.
Maybe a Procedural generated dungeon crawler dlc that you can do after game is finished with level cap so you have a certain type of character and play as much combat as you like with that character type and farm weapons and armor.
Im excited to try this on my xbox. This game seems a decent rpg
fanboys chorando pq a sequência vai ser exclusiva kkkk
I don't think we need "open" world, but I think we can use something with some more mobility within the spaces we have. Simply increasing verticality it'll feel MASSIVE
They don't need to make an open world, BUT I would prefer bigger areas. Maybe cut the world into 4 main exteriors. The Outer Worlds had a few areas that felt like they didn't need to be kept separated from the others. Roseway specifically felt too shallow for having it's own area. I think I would've preferred if they just combined Roseway with Emerald Vale. One thing The Outer Worlds is missing is simply exploring the world, something that would be helped by an open world or at the very least, bigger maps. I feel like the main story takes you everywhere and for some reason that leaves me with this feeling that there's no exploration. You're not going places just to look around, you're going there for a task. I like to have both, but maybe that's just me. I get why they'd cut it into smaller areas though, so I wouldn't mind either way.
I really enjoy large open-world games because the game feels like a journey across the land. But Outer Worlds is in space so it makes sense that you would travel from planet to planet but I don't want those planets to feel small. You're visiting an entire new world and if your visit is confined to a small city then you're visiting a city, not a planet.
Budget must be also a Factor.I've already playing the game an early copy arrived yesterday, im 10 hours in now.Its really good in terms of RPG,Immersion,Gunplay,Dialogue and Story.But takes too long to start the first 4 hours are like an talking simulator.Also the world is really empty and clean, most environments are often recycled and the loading times are way too long for a game with such average Graphics. It's sadly not an Masterpiece, but a really good game so far.
I have a certain feeling playing this game that i haven't had in a long time.
Keep it up Obsidian.
Well make the hubs BIGGER then. Like PLEASE. And i hope the next is longer. But ill see once i play the first if i like the length or not.
Large and smaller sized areas kinda like dragon age inquisition would be great and even some places like groundbreaker with more upper and lower levels to visit would be great so long as they make these areas worth exploring not just for loot but for special encounters and hidden quests and things like that could really add to the world. It would also be great if they made some of these places worth revisiting for instance if a quest that was done earlier and your choices changed what faction now holds the area or the area has become overrun with wild beasts because a gang of bandits was cleared out or something and new quests options open up. Also id be open to some kinda spaceship type missions or encounters in space or something if it was done right.
The open world debate is intresting here in that playing this game is a lot like playing a game based on the show fire fly and to be able to get into and take off and fly a ship that big around a sandbox solar system with integrated maps would be logically taking this franchise to the next level bc that was my only criticism when I first played outer worlds was I’d love to fly the ship
"Hopefully they let us keep developing it" I died :D
Im really exited to play the Game,also its nice to see Devs who are so passionate and generous about their game,otherwise it wouldnt end up in the Game pass at release,what will definetly effect the Sales.A Developer with that reputation could demand Microsoft to not put it in,i think.
Excited to get my hands on this game!
I like the several planet structure/half open way the world is. I do, however, wish the game was longer. Mass Effect 2 could be played for over 100 hours without having to restart and that's kinda what I think this game should be. I get that some would like to play again as a different character, but I rather keep accumulating levels and gear instead of a hard ending that forces you to start over and replay things slightly differntly.
Hubs are actually perfect for games like this. I would say those of us enjoying the game would rather see expanded hubs. So for the next game we would want to see more hubs (and maybe even some of the original hubs from the first) that are densely packed with awesome characters and architecture instead of an open world that lacks detail.
I prefer the hub world model. You just make the terrain open in some areas. Everyone compares this to New Vegas but that was open world. Outer Worlds feels a lot closer to Star Wars Kotor 1 and 2 as far as the overall structure. You have a ship and travel to different planets and moons and space stations. This is my favorite game model. Obsidian and CDPR are probably going to be the two best companies for games now
I think they they've done with this game is great. I don't really want them to make it into another totally open world game, as that just doesn't seem like it's going to allow for the kind of storytelling that they excel at.
Holy shit. He said "champing at the bit" correctly! I'll like the vid just for that.
Space fallout, u have alot to make from that story and characters-take from futurama, Rick and Morty characters and anything to make it amazing
If totally fine with multiple smaller areas. For one the game is going to run way better. Secondly, the idea of exploring multiple planets is way more cool of an idea that just exploring one giant one.
They can do it kinda like the first Mass Effect and borderlands, give us a vehicle. Make it feel more open world like they did in those two games.
Refreshing to have a shorter game time as well, 100hrs+ open world games have there place but they can get tiresome if that's all are made, the shorter more opened ended titles are great, can't wait to play Outer worlds
Well, I'm glad I get to play The Outer Worlds 1 because if a sequel is Xbox exclusive i probably won't be playing it. It would be great to own every console but PlayStation has been good to me over the last 20 years. I'm staying the course. Hopefully Bethesda's next Fallout is fun.
There wont be XBox exclusive, only microsoft store exclusive that you can play on PC or Xbox
*"console exclusive"
As much as I love open worlds (when done right), I'd much rather have hub RPGs or even like... single city (a large city) RPGs. Something that's insanely detailed and polished but not expansive (and shallow) is a win in my book.
Look at Yakuza. They're like ~7 games into the franchise at this point, and most games feature one recurring main location with a few small side locations sprinkled in (one or two per game). Granted, each game evolves the city, but the point is more that - although it's one city - it's one content-rich city full of stuff you're happy to waste time with. Look at AC:O, on the other hand. HUGE RPG. Probably the biggest we've gotten ever. But it's also so full of emptiness, copy/paste, and abysmal quests with stories you really don't care about. And that isn't on the devs. When you're so stretched, sacrifices like this are bound to happen.
Microsoft buying Obsidian and doing this Xbox Game Pass stuff has forced me to reconsider my opinion on their gaming division. Before the Xbone released they seemed to be the more constrictive, un-consumer-friendly company in gaming. Now with Phil Spencer they seem much more about pleasing their customers, and less about simply making money at any cost.
They seem reluctantly smart and careful. Thumbs up
Their corporate masters are watching them.
Personally I really liked Outer Worlds but if they made a sequel I'd probably want them to focus a little more on the main story cause it didn't feel particularly fleshed out and probably fewer but more focused companions.
So intelegent and calculated. Obsidian is the gold standard for RPG developers
If they did full open world and did it really well I think it’d be very cool
I mean they should go with their gut, I played outer worlds for around 8,5 hours now and I’ve done every quest I can possibly find just because I found it that good I’ve rarely had that magical feeling in a rpg since playing new Vegas, if the open world they’re making is like New Vegas and it’s full of quantity and quality I’m all done for a bigger outer worlds, this outer worlds is pretty big but not the biggest rpg they’ve done, however it’s just so damn good and refined in the rpg aspects especially, I’m sure they’re gonna make huge profit, I’m done for anything inter worlds wether it’s expansion or new games.
The first one isn't even out when this was released.
I love the developers from obsidian. I am playing through the game on game pass but i think im gonna buy a physical copy so i can feel like i am directly supporting the devs :)
That's how it should be.... I have gamepass and just went out and brought it instead. It's worth the money
I love this game it's so fresh on the eyez
Ms got killer RPG studio in there pockets here and Next Gen Xbox future looks bright!.
Stupid console war kid.
Let’s hope they don’t fuck obsidian over
Plooperer Plooperer Like how Sony closed more than 5 plus studio this gen?.....yeah it's business tht fucks up not specific platform.
Open worlds can be fine, if said world is compact and has plenty of stuff to do and see in it. Rockstar has this formula nailed down, most other companies don't. In the case of a game like Outer Worlds, I would prefer that they focus on other aspects of the game (more variants of weapons and armor, more factions and faction-related quests, etc.) instead of trying to create an "open world game."
I think the main reason I liked this game is because it has a hub system. Think it'd just fade into the crowd if it was open world
We've seen this movie so many times. Just a few years ago companies like Obsidian and Ninja Theory were exclaiming their joy at being independent and not beholden to a major publisher. Bungie popped champagne after getting away from Microsoft, who wanted them to do nothing but make Halo for the rest of eternity, and then immediately signed up with Activision. They popped champagne after that split too. After a game or two the corporation starts to get their fingers into things. I have all the faith in Obsidian, and I'm glad The Outer Worlds is getting that last push with Microsoft money, but I worry about the future. If Microsoft wants an open world sequel, I'm pretty sure they'll get it one way or another.
Naaaaah that was old ms. Now it seems they are given a lot more freedom to their teams
@@siralyssongamer6522 hahahahahahahahha very funny pal
@@liamc3433 What's even more funny is that 90% of Sony first party games are third person action adventures. All of them story driven too. Such a coincidence that those studios all wanted to make the same kind of games.
There's a Possibility of Course but if this Game does well Microsoft won't touch Obsidian just like EA Doesn't touch Respawn Entertainment. Corporation are Stupid but not that Stupid.
They're talking more about outer worlds 2 than the 1st one
an open world could kill Bethesda all together and Obsidian is too nice to do that
I hope Outer Worlds 2 has more enemy variety with the planets and more gore similar to the fallout series.
I hope they keep the team small. What they're doing works.
i don't hate these kinds of mini open worlds maps. but outerworlds lacks exploration potential imo. i woudl've like maybe a little big bigger maps to have more of an exploration feels so that i don't feel like veryone discover exactly the same things. mechanics like random loots and maybe more hidden paths and building for hidden sidequests would be cool. the game is still pretty good.
Opening song sounds like Squarepusher Theme
definitely would LOOVE an 80+hour game, I can easily clock 100 hours into New Vegas and I've played it like 8 or 9 times over
Please keep outer worlds going and DLC coming
I’m fine with that tbh all I’d like from the next outer worlds is; Bigger, better & more of everything! I’d like the hubs to be bigger and the story to be just a couple hours longer. Ohh and aliens, definitely felt like this game didn’t need but could been that much cooler if it had a faction(s) of aliens. Like come on humans can’t be the only smart life forms out there. Other than that maybe spaceship battles and more customizable weapons and outfits ( looks/esthetics wise). I don’t think I’ve had every outfit in the game but they could be cooler looking.
Are u doin a fallout 5 and outer world's 2 cover?
The bald man stares into my soul
Tbh if Outer Worlds is good and exceeds sales expectations giving Obsidian the required monetary support then i see no harm in making the sequel open world Plus with Microsoft by their side and taking their time they can truely create a open living breathing world . If they can be less like Ubisoft and more like CDPR just imagine how awesome it would be. Just remember how well the shift to open world for Witcher 2 to Witcher 3 worked out ....if passion is there it is POSSIBLE