I was a Seventh-day Adventist for 15 years before finding out that the early SDA church was non-trinitarian. The SDA church organized in 1863 as a distinctly non trinitarian church. The trinity doctrine began creeping in with John Harvey Kellogg in the early 1900’s. It was finally voted in as a doctrine in 1980. When I first heard about this I went back and studied what the pioneers of the SDA church believed. They believed very similar to what these two gentlemen are saying. The difference being that they taught that Jesus was begotten back in the days of eternity, before anything was created, thus the “by whom all things” in 1st Corinthians 8:6.” In other words, when God says that he sent his son, that means that God had a son to send. So when Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the son of God became the son of man. After studying the subject for about two years, I decided I could no longer be a trinitarian! The Michigan Conference Decided that if I believed that Jesus was truly the son of God then I had to be disfellowshipped!! And so I was!! I’ve never been happier!
Both of them are intelligent. They both seem loving and kind. And they're both humble. And concerning Christ they're telling the truth. Christ is God's son.
Yes trinitarians have the blood of the saints on their hands but Jesus is God not a second persons or another god but the Father manifest in the flesh as the sacrificial lamb AND GREAT IS THIS MYSTERY 1Tim.3 16
How many have carefully researched the history of the Catholic church, from before its beginning in 392 C.E. when eastern Roman Emperor Theodosius I made it the state religion till today ? Even staunch Catholics probably have not, but its history is riddled with cruelty and murder, as well as the absorption of paganism that it "Christianized" to make it appear as "genuine", so that the REAL meaning of "catholic" is "all-embracing; all-inclusive, universal", accepting pagan doctrines and practices and giving them "Christian" names. At Matthew 23, Jesus said: "“The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses........All the works they do, they do to be seen by men, for they broaden the scripture-containing cases that they wear as safeguards and lengthen the fringes of their garments." "They like the most prominent place at evening meals and the front seats in the synagogues and the greetings in the marketplaces and to be called Rabbi by men. But you, do not you be called Rabbi (as a religious title), for one is your Teacher, and ALL of you are brothers." "Moreover, do NOT call anyone your father on earth (as a religious title), for one is your Father, the heavenly One (see John 17:11, in which ONLY God is called "Holy Father"). Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.(Note: the Catholic church is notorious for many such religious titles, from priest, to bishop, Archbishop to Cardinal, to Monsignor (meaning "my lord"), to Pope, to Jesuit, to monk, etc) Some of these are that the original "Pontifex Maximus" (meaning "Supreme Priest" or "senior ancient Roman priest", Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2005), also called "the pontif " was NOT Christian, but rather Augustus Caesar was proclaimed the first "Pontifex Maximus" in 12 B.C.E. and this continued until 382 C.E., when the "bishop" of Rome was given authority over all the other "bishops". At that time, the western Roman Emperor Gratian (reigned 367-83 C.E.) was "a firm supporter of the (apostate) Christian church, (and) he began the process of disassociating the Roman state from the old pagan religion. Refusing the title of pontifex maximus (chief priest), traditionally held by emperors, he ordered the shrine of the goddess Victory removed from the Senate house and ended financial support for the pagan cults."(Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2005) In 382 C.E., Emperor Gratian issued a constitution granting Damasus, "bishop" of Rome, the right to hear appeals by other bishops, even those in “more distant regions” of the Empire. Although this decision was contested by Eastern bishops, and even by some in the West, it undoubtedly gave ascendancy to the "bishop" of Rome. Bishop Damasus accepted the insignia of Pontifex Maximus, a PAGAN title and office that Emperor Gratian had renounced, considering it unbefitting a Christian ! Damasus, on the other hand, had NO such scruples. According to The Catholic Encyclopedia, Pontifex Maximus is still considered to be one of the “most noteworthy of the titles” borne by the pope. In French the pope is still called le souverain pontife, the supreme pontiff. Former Catholic priest Peter de Rosa noted in his book, Vicars of Christ - The Dark Side of the Papacy (pub in 1988), that with the appointment of Tomas de Torquemada in 1483 by Pope Sixtus IV, that "in the pope’s name, [the inquisitors] were responsible for the most savage and sustained onslaught on human decency in the history of the race.”(pg 123) Of Dominican inquisitor (and friar) Tomas de Torquemada in Spain, he says: “Appointed in 1483, he ruled tyrannically for fifteen years. His victims numbered over 114,000 of whom 10,220 were burned" on the stake.(pg 129) Pope Innocent III (reigned 1198-1216 C.E.) sent monk Arnold Amalric with 300,000 crusaders to Beziers, in southern France in 1209 C.E. and murdered some 20,000 men, women and children who followed the Cathari teachings and was the beginning of the Albigensian Crusade. And when Arnold Amalric's men asked how to distinguish between Catholics and "heretics", he reportedly told them: "Slay them all; God will recognize His own", this being the beginning of a deadly crusade that would end some twenty years later in 1229 C.E., and would cost possibly one million - Cathari, Waldenses and even Catholics - of their lives. Another of the Catholic church's "weapons" were the Inquisitions, such as the Spanish Inquisition (Nov 1, 1478-1834 C.E.) that was established to combat "heresy" originally in Spain and "achieved that end through infamously brutal methods" (website Britannica dot com) as well as the Roman Inquisition that began in 1542 C.E. under the reign of Pope Paul III (reigned 1534-49 C.E.), who was alarmed at the spread of Protestanism, and in which both were preceded by the deadly Catholic Crusades from the 11th to 13th centuries. And this is just the "tip of the iceberg" of Catholic history, for four different men wrote of brutal and murderous accounts of popes and their worshippers, such Johann Burchard (1450-1506 C.E.), master of ceremonies during the reigns of five popes (from Pope Sixtus IV thru Pope Julius II, whose uncle was Pope Sixtus IV), priest born in the region of Alsace, France and chronicler during the Italian Renaissance. And of John Foxe of England who wrote "Acts and Monuments of the Church" in 1554 C.E., that was later renamed as "Book of Martyrs", that described the murderous path of the Catholic church, as well as Jean Crespin wrote of similiar acts of cruelty in France in 1554 C.E., in his book also called "Book of Martyrs", while Ludwig Rabus also wrote his "Book of Martyrs" in German of acts of brutality by the Catholic church in 1554 C.E.
It was a view a theory a historically verifiable theological development that was well involved with the killing of people the torturing the burning of those who had a differing view of God.. this trinitarian doctrine has blood of people trying to find God
How true Sir Anthony, that Jesus the MAN is good enough to die for us. And how stupid to believe GOD can die, as most wrongly believe. How terrible are the Trinitarians, who say if Jesus was only a MAN, he is not good enough to die for our sins. It's no surprise Jesus will say to many, I DON'T KNOW YOU.
not biblical at all because yes God is not three but Jesus is the one God MANIFEST IN THE FLESH John 1 And the Word WAS GOD (Father-Spirit) and the WORD BECAME FLESH
@@michelhaineault6654 John 1:1 does not have the word "Jesus" in it at all. There is a Greek word for Jesus, and John did not use his name. He used logos. Logos is a thing, not a person. The logos became flesh when the Messiah was born. That's what John is telling us. Otherwise, I am not interested in Modalism, or "Oneness" nonsense.
When you read the entire Scriptures from start to finish, it is hard not to see the truth of who the one true God is and who His prophesied human Messiah King is - His beloved only begotten Son. Pray that Father would show you the truth as you read His word - He is faithful and is seeking those who will worship Him in spirit & truth🙏
Many trinitarians say to read from the New Testament first when it skips the context it has from the basis of the Old Testament first. They create/or develop a methodology to reach a conclusion which is not one that starts with the Old Testament first instead they teach people a presupposition that God is a trinity and that there are text that teach that… that’s ridiculous… The trinity is becoming harder to challenge because now there are newer forms of the trinity: William lane Craig has one version the Catholics have a different version etc.. Jehovahs witnesses due to following the shema of the Old Testament follows the consistency of Old Testament theology and see the revelation of the son of God as a divine being who is a god.. we are in the middle ground between the Jewish theology and that of the Christian orthodox view of Jesus of today… JWs follows the Old Testament identity of God with the acceptance of the Christ the son of God.. without establishing an equivalence between three people co eternal co-equal all powerful for them all..
There are many good scriptures to support this. Here’s one of my favorites. 1 Corinthians 15:27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
@@michelhaineault6654what exactly are you saying? Can you break it down? If it’s an assumption, I’d rather you didn’t, and you can then disregard my request. Most appreciated!
@@ciphergrey6298 John 1 The WORD ws God ( Father) and THE WORD BECAME FL;ESH.... this is the true God and the true Jesus , they are ONE NOT TWO ( flesh and Spirit)
@@michelhaineault6654 that sir, is assumption. One can also assume that this meaning indicates that because Father spoke through Jesus, that the word became flesh, or that Fathers plan became flesh. I asked you not to use assumption’s. The truth is, all of the beliefs that Father is also Jesus, are based off of assumptions on what a certain sentence means. They aren’t scriptural. They aren’t what Father or Jesus taught throughout the entirety of scripture.
@@michelhaineault6654 The truth, is plainly written in the Bible. To assume one knows the answer if it isn’t obvious, is for one to decide what the truth is, and humanity is not the creator of truth. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. 10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. ' 2 Samuel 7: 22 “How great you are, Sovereign LORD! There is no one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears. 1 John 4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘Father.’ because you have one Father, and he is in heaven. John 20:17 Jesus said unto her, “Touch Me not, for I am not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say unto them, ‘I ascend unto My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’” Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 1 John 5:5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. Galatians 4: 4 But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship. 1 John 5: 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. 11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Timothy 2:5 -6 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all-the testimony that was given at just the right time. 2 John 1:3 Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love. John3: 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John:10:36 But God has set Me apart for Himself. He sent Me into the world. Then how can you say that I am speaking against God because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is not of God; and such is the spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world. Luke 1:35 “...therefore the child to be born will be called holy-the Son of God.” Luke 4:41 “And demons also came out of many, crying, ‘You are the Son of God!’ But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.” Mark 3:11 “And whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, ‘You are the Son of God.’” John 1:34 “And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.” Matthew 14:33: “And those in the boat worshipped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’” Matthew 16:15-16 “He said to them, ‘But who do you say I am?’ Simon Peter replied, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’” 1 Corinthians 15:27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. Galatians 1:6-12 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Ephesians 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, Romans 8:29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; Romans 8:30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. John 15:16 You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. Revelation 7:9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. Blessings and love to all!
I love you my brothers in Christ with the truth that Trinity thing I don't know how people can't see through it they don't want to see through it they want to worship Jesus they don't want to give him his proper place next to God as the Messiah
Mark 12:29 "The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one." John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
@@justinwooten9998 John 17:20-23 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that *they may all be ONE, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us,* so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, *that they may be ONE even as we are ONE,* I in them and you in me, that *they may become perfectly ONE,* so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. One in purpose and will not one essence.
@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist John 17:5 "So now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your presence before the world existed." - so Jesus was with God before the world even existed?
"They" may be one, even as "We" are one. In these verses, Jesus is talking about the Complete Unity "So that the world may believe that the Father has sent Me" (read John 17:21-23).
@@badonlikoy5571 John 17:24 "Father, I desire that those also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory, which you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world." - so Jesus existed before the foundation of the world?
@@justinwooten9998 yes, that is true, because Jesus was already "with" God in the beginning before the creation of the world (read John 17:5 & John 17:24). And the last who came to the world to testify to the truth (John 18 :37). This is why Jesus said, I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end (Revelation 22:13). I Am He. I Am the first and I Am the last (Isaiah 48 :12). This is why Jesus said very truly I tell you, surely you would die in your sins if you don't believe that I Am He (John 8 :24). And Jesus also said, Abraham was greatly rejoiced to see My day (John 8 :56). Because Jesus said, before Abraham was I Am (John 8 :58). And one of the three Angels who visited Abraham had said, Is anything too hard for the LORD (Genesis 18 :14). In the Old Testament, The Angel of His presence saved them (Isaiah 63 :9).
You are absolutely right! If one man sinned and dragged everything into the curse, why shouldn't another man drag everything and everyone into God's salvation? (Weren't we made in the image of God?). However, there are some "details" missing about how Jesus became the son of God.
@@JohnMartim-sy9yf I think Gabriel telling Mary how Jesus will be a Son of God is quite clear: Luke 1:35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; *THEREFORE* the child to be born will be called holy- *the Son of God.* It is because God’s spirit caused him to be born. Adam was a son of God (Lk 3:38) because The LORD God formed him from the dust of the Earth. Jesus is The LORD God’s Son formed through ‘the Seed of the woman’. Gen 3:15. The old term is Only Begotten.
Jesus was the holy trilogy as Colossians 2:9. A man impersonating his Father, showing believers the way, and imbued with the Spirit for his resurrection.
There are several oblique comments made in the closing of some of the epistles, and dealt with specifically in the Book of Jude that suggest there was conflict within the Church toward the close of the First Century. It has been claimed by some this conflict was between the teachings of the Apostles and the false "apostles" headed by Simon Magus. It is alleged that "Father Simon" or Simon Pater in Latin eventually became Simon "Peter" the first Pope of the Roman Church. It is also said "the victors write the histories" and the history of the Roman Church reflects this (in my opinion). The accepted doctrines of the Early Church as described in Acts and the various Epistles is quite different than the one being displayed in the writings of the Church Fathers, and by the time Constantine came on the scene, is unrecognizable from the one established by the Early Church. Another bugaboo of mine is too many Christians today did not listen in English class in high school. While the KJV may not be the most accurate translation available today, it does, however, use the English language more accurately than any other I have in my possession. For one instance, being "equal to" is not the same as 'equal with'. Jesus Christ (in Philippians 2) is equal with not equal to. The eldest son of a king was considered to be equal with his father but obviously was not identical to his father. The word 'trinity' itself is a contraction of 'tri-unity' and did not mean a 'tri-identity' because even a cursory glance at scripture will reveal things regarding the Father that the Son does not have. The best example I give people when this comes up in discussion is the relationship Joseph had with Pharoah, who basically said "all affairs of Egypt I am conferring on you Joseph, except matters of the throne room only. So, Joseph was in authority "pharoah", just as all things regarding the Church are under Jesus's purview, making Him "god" to the Church, but not the same as His Father. Another point which I believe the Trinity accomplishes (but not by Him) is it clouds the true relationship we have with the Lord. John 14:12 says 'verily verily I say unto you, he that believeth on me, the works that I do, shall he do also. And, greater works than these shall he do because I go unto my Father." If one believes the Trinity, how can one logically embrace this command from the Lord? Do the same works as God? But if Jesus is a man, albeit a perfect man who is capable of redeeming me, then it becomes far more attainable.
Sounds good just like we are the seed of our Father he is the seed of his Father haveing the birthright so we can be one with him as Son of God . He so much wants to be the Son of God so he can have a Father in Heaven.
It is not an allegation. It is FACT. In Acts 8, Peter prophesied to Simon Magus that he would become a bitter enemy against God's Church, and that is exactly what he became by the middle of the 1st century. The heresies his movement spread is apparent in the issues or doctrines that the apostles addressed in their epistles.
It was a view a theory a historically verifiable theological development that was well involved with the killing of people the torturing the burning of those who had a differing view of God.. this doctrine known as the trinity has spilled blood of people trying to find God
Jesus always say '' Me and the Father are one'' and if you see me you see the Father and ad Paul say : Great is this mystery GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH! Jesus say I AM the way I AM the the truth I AM eternal life , only God can be this .
Joh 16,28-32 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. 29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. 30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. 31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe? 32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me. Joh 17,1-26 {THE PRAYER TO BE GLORIFIED} These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 6 {THE PRAYER FOR THE DISCIPLES} I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. 9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. 11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are]. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. 20 {THE PRAYER FOR THE CHURCH} Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare [it]: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. Joh 18,5-8 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am [he]. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am [he], they went backward, and fell to the ground. 7 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. 8 Jesus answered, I have told you that I am [he]: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way: Joh 18,12-14 {JESUS BEFORE JEWISH AUTHORITIES} Then the band and the captain and officers of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him, 13 And led him away to Annas first; for he was father-in-law to Caiaphas, which was the high priest that same year. 14 Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people. Joh 18,31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death: Joh 18,33-34 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews? 34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me? Joh 18,36-37 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. Joh 19,3 And said, Hail, King of the Jews! and they smote him with their hands. Joh 19,6-8 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify [him], crucify [him]. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify [him]: for I find no fault in him. 7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. 8 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he was the more afraid; Joh 19,11-12 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power [at all] against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. 12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar. Joh 19,14-16 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! 15 But they cried out, Away with [him], away with [him], crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. 16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led [him] away.
1 Cor 8:6 "but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." John 1:1-4 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind."
@@justinwooten9998 No, God’s word is an attribute of his power. We know that the worlds were framed by his word. And God said… Jesus was born and embodies God’s word, the word was made flesh. Dt 18:17 the LORD God promised to put his words into the mouth of Jesus. Jn 14:10 Jesus tells us that he does not speak on his own authority.
The "Holy Trinity" was created by apostate Christianity (the "weeds" at Matthew 13:24-30, the "antichrists", meaning "against (or instead) of Christ", at 1 John 2:18-23), that developed from an argument between "priest" Arius and "deacon" Athanasius, of Alexandria, Egypt. The Roman Empire already had it own "trinity", whereby "with the goddesses Juno and Minerva, Jupiter formed the triad whose worship was the central cult of the Roman state."(Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2005) With Constantine (reigned 306-337 C.E.) giving the once persecuted "Christians" under his predecessor, Diocletian (reigned 284-305 C.E.), the "green light" the freedom to practice their religion and be part of the government, they became "part of the world" with its politics. With Constantine’s support, Catholicism eventually became the official State religion of Rome in 392 C.E., when Roman Emperor Theodosius I (reigned 379-395 C.E., who was baptized as a "Christian" in 380 C.E.) made it a "law" that only so-called "Christianity" could be practiced, banning what he called paganism. Up "to that time, he had basically tolerated the pagans and had entrusted adherents of the old cults with the highest offices.......On November 8, 392, he (Theodosius I) made his edicts of 391 ("the principles of religious intolerance") more stringent by completely prohibiting the worship of the pagan gods."(Encyclopedia Britannica) Elaine Pagels, a professor of religion at Princeton University, explains: “Christian bishops, once targets for arrest, torture, and execution (under Diocletian's rule), now received tax exemptions, gifts from the imperial treasury, prestige, and even influence at court; their churches gained new wealth, power, and prominence.” They had become friends of the emperor, friends of the Roman world, becoming an "enemy of God".(see James 4:4) With the disagreement between about 69 year Arius (256-336 C.E.) and about 32 year old Athanasius (c. 293-373 C.E. and who did NOT compose the Athanasian Creed), of who God and Jesus were, with Arius saying that Jesus as the Son is inferior to the Father while Athanasius said they were equal, both God. This started to "make waves" or create fractures in Constantine's empire, so that he convened all the "bishops" at Nicaea, (that is now the Turkish city of Iznik), but only which only about 300 actually came, and in which Eusebius (who became known as the father of church history) attended, while Pope Sylvestor I (pope from 314 to 335 C.E.) did not attend though sending a legate. The Encyclopædia Britannica says that at the Council of Nicaea, “Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed . . . the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council, ‘of one substance with the Father’ . . ." "Overawed by the emperor, the bishops (including Eusebius, who initially favored Arius, but was seated at the right hand of Constantine, as someone "special", changed to Athanasius view), with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination.” Then with the Council of Constantinople in 381 C.E., it said that the holy spirit should be glorified, and in 382 C.E. at another synod in Constantinople, it gave full divinity to the holy spirit. The Encyclopedia Britannica further said that the first Council of Nicaea in 325 C.E. "was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions. He hoped a general council of the church would solve the problem created in the Eastern church by Arianism, a heresy first proposed by Arius of Alexandria that affirmed that Christ is not divine but a created being." In that same year of 382 C.E., Pope Damasus (who readily accepted the title of Pontifex Maximus, meaning "Supreme Priest", in 382 C.E. from Roman Emperor Gratian who rejected it, transferring this pagan title from a Roman Emperor to "the Bishop of Rome") presented a collection of Catholic doctrines called "the Tome of Damasus" (and written in Latin), and whereby "the Holy Trinity" was finalized it with the Council of Chalcedon in 451 C.E., adding "in the mix" that the holy spirit is "the third person of the Holy Trinity". It took more than 400 years after Jesus death in 33 C.E., for "the Holy Trinity" to develop and become official church doctrine, that contrasts with God's Kingdom, that was CLEARLY explained and understood while Jesus was alive (see Matt 13:1-52; Mark 1:15; Luke 8:1), as well as fully grasping that Jesus is NOT God, for the apostle Peter told Jesus that "you are the Christ, the Son of the living God".(Matt 16:16) Jesus made CLEAR that he is God's unique Son, telling Nicodemus: "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son (with the word "begotten" meaning "to father a child", see Matt 1:1-16, where the Greek gennao is used, that means "to procreate (properly, of the father), to regenerate, offspring, progeny", whereby "Abraham begat Isaac", KJV), so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God did not send his Son into the world for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him."(John 3:16, 17) Matthew 27:41-43 reads of Jesus: "In the same way also, the chief priests with the scribes and the elders began mocking him, saying: “Others he saved; himself he cannot save ! He is King of Israel; let him now come down off the torture stake, and we will believe in him. He has put his TRUST IN GOD; let Him now rescue him if He wants him, for he said, ‘I am God’s SON.’”
He lived in hevan before he came down to earth he was the beginning of the creation by God rev 3 v 14 so that’s why he said before Abraham was i was because he lived in hevan before he came down to earth 🌍
Indeed truth wins in the end, but this is not the end. The doctrine has become mainstream now due to violence towards those who dared not to believe in the trinity.
GOD LORD YEHOVAH IS THE STANDARD FOR THE JUDGMENT OF ALL IN ALL God King Father Lord Yehovah who created man his son as a god in his own image and likeness and commanded man to live in his image and likeness in Godliness in righteousness, holiness and perfection is the standard that established all and by which all men including self and others must be judged and related with and all things must be judged and related with. The words of the law of the covenant of God Lord Yehovah in the testimony of God Lord Yehovah and his counsel stands and abide unfailing forever and is the standard by which all men including self and others must be judged and related with and all things must be judged and related with. The best any other person can be is an example in an instance or at some instances but there is no other standard besides God King Father Lord Yehovah and the everlasting words of the law of the covenant of God Lord Yehovah in his sure testimony and his everlasting counsel Exodus 34:27 ASV And Jehovah said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. Deuteronomy 31:24-26 ASV And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, [25] that Moses commanded the Levites, that bare the ark of the covenant of Jehovah, saying, [26] Take this book of the law, and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of Jehovah your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. Psalm 93:5 ASV Thy testimonies are very sure: Holiness becometh thy house, O Jehovah, for evermore. Psalm 111:7-10 ASV The works of his hands are truth and justice; All his precepts are sure. [8] They are established for ever and ever; They are done in truth and uprightness. [9] He hath sent redemption unto his people; He hath commanded his covenant for ever: Holy and reverend is his name. [10] The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all they that do his commandments: His praise endureth for ever. THE INFALLIBILITY OF THE WORD AND COUNSEL (PLAN, THOUGHT, WILL) OF THE INFALLIBLE MOST HIGH ALMIGHTY GOD LORD YEHOVAH Jeremiah 23:35,37 ASV Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbor, and every one to his brother, What hath Jehovah answered? and, What hath Jehovah spoken? [37] Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath Jehovah answered thee? and, What hath Jehovah spoken? Lamentations 3:37 ASV Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not? Deuteronomy 6:4,25 ASV Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah: [25] And it shall be righteousness unto us, if we observe to do all this commandment before Jehovah our God, as he hath commanded us. Deuteronomy 13:4 ASV Ye shall walk after Jehovah your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. Deuteronomy 5:32 ASV Ye shall observe to do therefore as Jehovah your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left. Deuteronomy 12:32 ASV What thing soever I command you, that shall ye observe to do: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. Deuteronomy 4:2 ASV Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of Jehovah your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 6:25 ASV And it shall be righteousness unto us, if we observe to do all this commandment before Jehovah our God, as he hath commanded us. Psalm 119:89 ASV For ever, O Jehovah, Thy word is settled in heaven. Isaiah 40:8 ASV The grass withereth, the flower fadeth; but the word of our God shall stand forever. Isaiah 55:10-11 ASV For as the rain cometh down and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, and giveth seed to the sower and bread to the eater; [11] so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Psalm 29:4 ASV The voice of Jehovah is powerful; The voice of Jehovah is full of majesty. Psalm 33:9 ASV For he spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast. Proverbs 30:5-6 ASV Every word of God is tried: He is a shield unto them that take refuge in him. [6] Add thou not unto his words, Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Ecclesiastes 3:14 ASV I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it; and God hath done it, that men should fear before him. Psalm 33:11 ASV The counsel of Jehovah standeth fast for ever, The thoughts of his heart to all generations. Isaiah 14:24 ASV Jehovah of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely, as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand: Proverbs 19:21 ASV There are many devices in a man's heart; But the counsel of Jehovah, that shall stand. Isaiah 46:9-10,12 ASV Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me; [10] declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure; [12] Hearken unto me, ye stout-hearted, that are far from righteousness: Isaiah 40:9-10 ASV O thou that tellest good tidings to Zion, get thee up on a high mountain; O thou that tellest good tidings to Jerusalem, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold, your God! [10] Behold, the Lord Jehovah will come as a mighty one, and his arm will rule for him: Behold, his reward is with him, and his recompense before him. Proverbs 24:12 ASV If thou sayest, Behold, we knew not this; Doth not he that weigheth the hearts consider it? And he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? And shall not he render to every man according to his work? Psalm 62:12 ASV Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth lovingkindness; For thou renderest to every man according to his work. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 ASV This is the end of the matter; all hath been heard: Fear God, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. [14] For God will bring every work into judgment, with every hidden thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Jesus was clear :saying: IF YOU SEE HIM YOU SEE THE FATHER not a second person and not only a man of flesh but the Father manifest in the flesh as the sacrificial lamb for to saves is peoples. They are wrong in the video when saying a simple man can die for the salvation of all men REALLY WRONG BECAUSE only God can reconcile us with Him so Jesus was GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH as the sacrificial Lamb. John5:19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the Word of reconciliation. THIS IS TOTALLY BIBLICAL....
@@davidboamah6679 God do not have a physical right hand this is an imagery of the celestial throne and Jesus represent God almighty power, there is only one throne in heaven call ''the throne of God and of the Lamb'' They are ONE not two , God is the spirit and Jesus represent our humanity in heaven God who is not a man became flesh, became the man Jesus our sacrificial lamb...
Jesus was God manifest in the flesh as the sacrificial Lamb: 2Cor.5:19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the Word of reconciliation. GOD WAS IN CHRIST this is why Jesus always say IF YOU SEE ME TOU SEE THE FATHER (IN ME) Me and the Father ARE ONE ( not two but ONE ) God do not die at the cross he crucify IS FLESH....IS HUMANITY AS A MAN.
Christ IS God. If He wasn't, He would not be able. The bible is clear on this.Jesus was before, even before His own birth, with the Jews. He was before the creation of man. Adam was the first man. But Jesus, though not physically born, was before Adam. Explain that.........(You can't.)
So where it says Adam worshipping Jesus or Emanuele? Where it says Abraham fell with face on the ground to Jesus? Why didn't any of them use cross?! Who baptized Moses? In whose name? Did God commit suicid* to rescue his own creations?!!
You sound so assure of your view but what we don’t have in the Bible is actually your proposed assumption… Jesus had to pray to the father was he praying to himself because he’s god ? No he was praying to another “co-equal” person of him out of no necessity because Jesus can do ALL things because he is god No?
The word "trinity" is not in the Bible - more false religion. Jesus' rulership is for 1000 years then he hands over the kingdom to his Father. This is when the three become one and the so-called penned word, false religion "trinity" is - real and it's not real - because they are now one, not three. Notice in verse 28 "that God may be all things to everyone" 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. This subject proves that, like 2 Tim 3:1-5 "the people will not agree to anything" they are wicked and love to argue - to get some more narcissistic supply. The people are sick, our whole society is suffering from a severe case of narcissism, and they will argue about anything just to fluff their egos. They learn it from watching Jerry Springer, Court TV, reality TV, late night TV and sick-coms, where all you see is people attacking, insulting and disrespecting one another for the entire 30 minutes or an hour. If the trinity is true or not is not going to change a damn thing in their lives other than give them something to argue about and waste more time and energy on stupidity. Lord have mercy on these wicked people.
The Trinitiy won because God promised his church was the pillar and foundation of truth and he would guide his church into the end of the age. To be unitarian is to deny God's promise and to believe he led his church into apostacy within the first 100 years of its existence. I was unitarian, please study church history and leave this heresy guys.
You have totally failed to read the Bible, particularly the many New Testament warnings about the rise of false prophets who will deceive many believers. If you claim to have studied church history, then how did you miss the false prophet named Philo of Alexandria, who mixed Platonic ideas with Judaism, and thereby influenced early church teachings? Scholars do not deny that Plato's ideas were used to "aid" in understanding the Gospel of John, especially in the prologue usage of "logos." If you claim to have fully understood God's revelation of himself to man through His prophets and through His son as mentioned in Hebrews 1, coupled with the dire warnings to God's people about incorporating pagan religious ideas into Judaism, then how can you voluntarily adopt pagan philosophy as a guide to the truth?
We know for a fact that Jesus was a man while on earth. Everyone agrees on this because it is evident to all. Beyond this, what matters is whether you believe Jesus spoke the truth, and whether you obey Him as a result of that belief. The sheep and the goats aren't separated based on whether they guessed correctly concerning what Jesus is. They are separated based on how they responded to Jesus' instructions. Those of faith will naturally respond with obedience as if it is the most logical and natural thing to them. And to them, God will respond by giving help at every point through His Spirit. It's no coincidence that the Spirit is called "the Helper". The Spirit helps those who already have their hearts set on knowing God and doing His will. Those who aren't of the faith will naturally respond with skepticism concerning the merits, validity and power of what they are being asked to do, regarding the Lord's instructions as foreign, strange and unreasonable. Yet some of them may even put up a pretense of agreeing with God by outwardly performing some instructions robotically and ritualistically, or even making up their own instructions to keep. But Jesus still knows who is of His sheep and who isn't, and will promptly separate His sheep from the goats.
I was a Seventh-day Adventist for 15 years before finding out that the early SDA church was non-trinitarian. The SDA church organized in 1863 as a distinctly non trinitarian church. The trinity doctrine began creeping in with John Harvey Kellogg in the early 1900’s. It was finally voted in as a doctrine in 1980. When I first heard about this I went back and studied what the pioneers of the SDA church believed. They believed very similar to what these two gentlemen are saying. The difference being that they taught that Jesus was begotten back in the days of eternity, before anything was created, thus the “by whom all things” in 1st Corinthians 8:6.” In other words, when God says that he sent his son, that means that God had a son to send. So when Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the son of God became the son of man. After studying the subject for about two years, I decided I could no longer be a trinitarian! The Michigan Conference Decided that if I believed that Jesus was truly the son of God then I had to be disfellowshipped!! And so I was!!
I’ve never been happier!
I'm a Pastor.
I love these 2 guys.
I'd love to sit and chat with them.
Yes true, I met Sir Antony and spent a few hours with him, and he is a wonderful humble man.
Both of them are intelligent.
They both seem loving and kind.
And they're both humble.
And concerning Christ they're telling the truth.
Christ is God's son.
they only has a philosophy of the bible, not accept the writing.
Persecution being burned at the stake for teaching against the trinity
Catholic clergy had a huge involvement in that
Yes trinitarians have the blood of the saints on their hands but Jesus is God not a second persons or another god but the Father manifest in the flesh as the sacrificial lamb AND GREAT IS THIS MYSTERY 1Tim.3 16
How many have carefully researched the history of the Catholic church, from before its beginning in 392 C.E. when eastern Roman Emperor Theodosius I made it the state religion till today ? Even staunch Catholics probably have not, but its history is riddled with cruelty and murder, as well as the absorption of paganism that it "Christianized" to make it appear as "genuine", so that the REAL meaning of "catholic" is "all-embracing; all-inclusive, universal", accepting pagan doctrines and practices and giving them "Christian" names.
At Matthew 23, Jesus said: "“The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses........All the works they do, they do to be seen by men, for they broaden the scripture-containing cases that they wear as safeguards and lengthen the fringes of their garments."
"They like the most prominent place at evening meals and the front seats in the synagogues and the greetings in the marketplaces and to be called Rabbi by men. But you, do not you be called Rabbi (as a religious title), for one is your Teacher, and ALL of you are brothers."
"Moreover, do NOT call anyone your father on earth (as a religious title), for one is your Father, the heavenly One (see John 17:11, in which ONLY God is called "Holy Father"). Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.(Note: the Catholic church is notorious for many such religious titles, from priest, to bishop, Archbishop to Cardinal, to Monsignor (meaning "my lord"), to Pope, to Jesuit, to monk, etc)
Some of these are that the original "Pontifex Maximus" (meaning "Supreme Priest" or "senior ancient Roman priest", Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2005), also called "the pontif " was NOT Christian, but rather Augustus Caesar was proclaimed the first "Pontifex Maximus" in 12 B.C.E. and this continued until 382 C.E., when the "bishop" of Rome was given authority over all the other "bishops".
At that time, the western Roman Emperor Gratian (reigned 367-83 C.E.) was "a firm supporter of the (apostate) Christian church, (and) he began the process of disassociating the Roman state from the old pagan religion. Refusing the title of pontifex maximus (chief priest), traditionally held by emperors, he ordered the shrine of the goddess Victory removed from the Senate house and ended financial support for the pagan cults."(Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2005)
In 382 C.E., Emperor Gratian issued a constitution granting Damasus, "bishop" of Rome, the right to hear appeals by other bishops, even those in “more distant regions” of the Empire. Although this decision was contested by Eastern bishops, and even by some in the West, it undoubtedly gave ascendancy to the "bishop" of Rome.
Bishop Damasus accepted the insignia of Pontifex Maximus, a PAGAN title and office that Emperor Gratian had renounced, considering it unbefitting a Christian ! Damasus, on the other hand, had NO such scruples. According to The Catholic Encyclopedia, Pontifex Maximus is still considered to be one of the “most noteworthy of the titles” borne by the pope. In French the pope is still called le souverain pontife, the supreme pontiff.
Former Catholic priest Peter de Rosa noted in his book, Vicars of Christ - The Dark Side of the Papacy (pub in 1988), that with the appointment of Tomas de Torquemada in 1483 by Pope Sixtus IV, that "in the pope’s name, [the inquisitors] were responsible for the most savage and sustained onslaught on human decency in the history of the race.”(pg 123) Of Dominican inquisitor (and friar) Tomas de Torquemada in Spain, he says: “Appointed in 1483, he ruled tyrannically for fifteen years. His victims numbered over 114,000 of whom 10,220 were burned" on the stake.(pg 129)
Pope Innocent III (reigned 1198-1216 C.E.) sent monk Arnold Amalric with 300,000 crusaders to Beziers, in southern France in 1209 C.E. and murdered some 20,000 men, women and children who followed the Cathari teachings and was the beginning of the Albigensian Crusade.
And when Arnold Amalric's men asked how to distinguish between Catholics and "heretics", he reportedly told them: "Slay them all; God will recognize His own", this being the beginning of a deadly crusade that would end some twenty years later in 1229 C.E., and would cost possibly one million - Cathari, Waldenses and even Catholics - of their lives.
Another of the Catholic church's "weapons" were the Inquisitions, such as the Spanish Inquisition (Nov 1, 1478-1834 C.E.) that was established to combat "heresy" originally in Spain and "achieved that end through infamously brutal methods" (website Britannica dot com) as well as the Roman Inquisition that began in 1542 C.E. under the reign of Pope Paul III (reigned 1534-49 C.E.), who was alarmed at the spread of Protestanism, and in which both were preceded by the deadly Catholic Crusades from the 11th to 13th centuries.
And this is just the "tip of the iceberg" of Catholic history, for four different men wrote of brutal and murderous accounts of popes and their worshippers, such Johann Burchard (1450-1506 C.E.), master of ceremonies during the reigns of five popes (from Pope Sixtus IV thru Pope Julius II, whose uncle was Pope Sixtus IV), priest born in the region of Alsace, France and chronicler during the Italian Renaissance.
And of John Foxe of England who wrote "Acts and Monuments of the Church" in 1554 C.E., that was later renamed as "Book of Martyrs", that described the murderous path of the Catholic church, as well as Jean Crespin wrote of similiar acts of cruelty in France in 1554 C.E., in his book also called "Book of Martyrs", while Ludwig Rabus also wrote his "Book of Martyrs" in German of acts of brutality by the Catholic church in 1554 C.E.
It was a view a theory a historically verifiable theological development that was well involved with the killing of people the torturing the burning of those who had a differing view of God.. this trinitarian doctrine has blood of people trying to find God
How true Sir Anthony, that Jesus the MAN is good enough to die for us. And how stupid to believe GOD can die, as most wrongly believe.
How terrible are the Trinitarians, who say if Jesus was only a MAN, he is not good enough to die for our sins.
It's no surprise Jesus will say to many, I DON'T KNOW YOU.
The Trinity won at the tip of the spear of a Pagan Roman Emperor.
This is one of the best videos I have watched on the subject. Simple, honest and biblical.
not biblical at all because yes God is not three but Jesus is the one God MANIFEST IN THE FLESH John 1 And the Word WAS GOD (Father-Spirit) and the WORD BECAME FLESH
@@michelhaineault6654 John 1:1 does not have the word "Jesus" in it at all. There is a Greek word for Jesus, and John did not use his name. He used logos. Logos is a thing, not a person.
The logos became flesh when the Messiah was born. That's what John is telling us. Otherwise, I am not interested in Modalism, or "Oneness" nonsense.
When you read the entire Scriptures from start to finish, it is hard not to see the truth of who the one true God is and who His prophesied human Messiah King is - His beloved only begotten Son. Pray that Father would show you the truth as you read His word - He is faithful and is seeking those who will worship Him in spirit & truth🙏
What about only begotten grandson?!
Many trinitarians say to read from the New Testament first when it skips the context it has from the basis of the Old Testament first. They create/or develop a methodology to reach a conclusion which is not one that starts with the Old Testament first instead they teach people a presupposition that God is a trinity and that there are text that teach that… that’s ridiculous… The trinity is becoming harder to challenge because now there are newer forms of the trinity: William lane Craig has one version the Catholics have a different version etc.. Jehovahs witnesses due to following the shema of the Old Testament follows the consistency of Old Testament theology and see the revelation of the son of God as a divine being who is a god.. we are in the middle ground between the Jewish theology and that of the Christian orthodox view of Jesus of today… JWs follows the Old Testament identity of God with the acceptance of the Christ the son of God.. without establishing an equivalence between three people co eternal co-equal all powerful for them all..
@InvestigadorTJ Well thats how they retroactively made the Holy Spirit Ghost 👻 to become a God after some 300 years.
There are many good scriptures to support this. Here’s one of my favorites.
1 Corinthians 15:27
For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
The flesh was in submission to the Spirit in him.
@@michelhaineault6654what exactly are you saying? Can you break it down? If it’s an assumption, I’d rather you didn’t, and you can then disregard my request. Most appreciated!
@@ciphergrey6298 John 1 The WORD ws God ( Father) and THE WORD BECAME FL;ESH.... this is the true God and the true Jesus , they are ONE NOT TWO ( flesh and Spirit)
@@michelhaineault6654 that sir, is assumption. One can also assume that this meaning indicates that because Father spoke through Jesus, that the word became flesh, or that Fathers plan became flesh. I asked you not to use assumption’s. The truth is, all of the beliefs that Father is also Jesus, are based off of assumptions on what a certain sentence means. They aren’t scriptural. They aren’t what Father or Jesus taught throughout the entirety of scripture.
@@michelhaineault6654 The truth, is plainly written in the Bible. To assume one knows the answer if it isn’t obvious, is for one to decide what the truth is, and humanity is not the creator of truth.
John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. 10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. '
2 Samuel 7: 22
“How great you are, Sovereign LORD! There is no one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears.
1 John 4:23
But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
Matthew 23:9
And do not call anyone on earth ‘Father.’ because you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
John 20:17
Jesus said unto her, “Touch Me not, for I am not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say unto them, ‘I ascend unto My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
1 John 5:5
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
Galatians 4: 4
But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.
1 John 5: 10
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. 11 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
Timothy 2:5 -6
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all-the testimony that was given at just the right time.
2 John 1:3
Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.
John3: 16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John:10:36
But God has set Me apart for Himself. He sent Me into the world. Then how can you say that I am speaking against God because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is not of God; and such is the spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world.
Luke 1:35
“...therefore the child to be born will be called holy-the Son of God.”
Luke 4:41
“And demons also came out of many, crying, ‘You are the Son of God!’ But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.”
Mark 3:11
“And whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, ‘You are the Son of God.’”
John 1:34
“And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.”
Matthew 14:33:
“And those in the boat worshipped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’”
Matthew 16:15-16
“He said to them, ‘But who do you say I am?’ Simon Peter replied, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’”
1 Corinthians 15:27
For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
Ephesians 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Galatians 1:6-12
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Ephesians 1:11
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,
Romans 8:29
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
Romans 8:30
and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
John 15:16
You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
Revelation 7:9
After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Blessings and love to all!
I love you my brothers in Christ with the truth that Trinity thing I don't know how people can't see through it they don't want to see through it they want to worship Jesus they don't want to give him his proper place next to God as the Messiah
"Trinity test" every day ...
I just loved it all thank you both & Blessings my friends ! ❤😊
I met Sir Antony and spent a few hours with him, and he is a wonderful humble man.
Mark 12:29 "The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one."
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
@@justinwooten9998 John 17:20-23
“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that *they may all be ONE, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us,* so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, *that they may be ONE even as we are ONE,* I in them and you in me, that *they may become perfectly ONE,* so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.
One in purpose and will not one essence.
@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist John 17:5 "So now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your presence before the world existed." - so Jesus was with God before the world even existed?
"They" may be one, even as "We" are one. In these verses, Jesus is talking about the Complete Unity "So that the world may believe that the Father has sent Me" (read John 17:21-23).
@@badonlikoy5571 John 17:24 "Father, I desire that those also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory, which you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world." - so Jesus existed before the foundation of the world?
@@justinwooten9998 yes, that is true, because Jesus was already "with" God in the beginning before the creation of the world (read John 17:5 & John 17:24). And the last who came to the world to testify to the truth (John 18 :37). This is why Jesus said, I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end (Revelation 22:13). I Am He. I Am the first and I Am the last (Isaiah 48 :12). This is why Jesus said very truly I tell you, surely you would die in your sins if you don't believe that I Am He (John 8 :24).
And Jesus also said, Abraham was greatly rejoiced to see My day (John 8 :56). Because Jesus said, before Abraham was I Am (John 8 :58). And one of the three Angels who visited Abraham had said, Is anything too hard for the LORD (Genesis 18 :14).
In the Old Testament, The Angel of His presence saved them (Isaiah 63 :9).
You are absolutely right! If one man sinned and dragged everything into the curse, why shouldn't another man drag everything and everyone into God's salvation? (Weren't we made in the image of God?).
However, there are some "details" missing about how Jesus became the son of God.
@@JohnMartim-sy9yf I think Gabriel telling Mary how Jesus will be a Son of God is quite clear:
Luke 1:35
And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; *THEREFORE* the child to be born will be called holy- *the Son of God.*
It is because God’s spirit caused him to be born. Adam was a son of God (Lk 3:38) because The LORD God formed him from the dust of the Earth. Jesus is The LORD God’s Son formed through ‘the Seed of the woman’. Gen 3:15. The old term is Only Begotten.
Thank you!
Jesus was the holy trilogy as Colossians 2:9. A man impersonating his Father, showing believers the way, and imbued with the Spirit for his resurrection.
Thanks gentlemen. Indeed if we base our beliefs purely on scripture and what Jesus himself said, we cannot go wrong.
There are several oblique comments made in the closing of some of the epistles, and dealt with specifically in the Book of Jude that suggest there was conflict within the Church toward the close of the First Century. It has been claimed by some this conflict was between the teachings of the Apostles and the false "apostles" headed by Simon Magus. It is alleged that "Father Simon" or Simon Pater in Latin eventually became Simon "Peter" the first Pope of the Roman Church. It is also said "the victors write the histories" and the history of the Roman Church reflects this (in my opinion). The accepted doctrines of the Early Church as described in Acts and the various Epistles is quite different than the one being displayed in the writings of the Church Fathers, and by the time Constantine came on the scene, is unrecognizable from the one established by the Early Church.
Another bugaboo of mine is too many Christians today did not listen in English class in high school. While the KJV may not be the most accurate translation available today, it does, however, use the English language more accurately than any other I have in my possession. For one instance, being "equal to" is not the same as 'equal with'. Jesus Christ (in Philippians 2) is equal with not equal to. The eldest son of a king was considered to be equal with his father but obviously was not identical to his father. The word 'trinity' itself is a contraction of 'tri-unity' and did not mean a 'tri-identity' because even a cursory glance at scripture will reveal things regarding the Father that the Son does not have. The best example I give people when this comes up in discussion is the relationship Joseph had with Pharoah, who basically said "all affairs of Egypt I am conferring on you Joseph, except matters of the throne room only. So, Joseph was in authority "pharoah", just as all things regarding the Church are under Jesus's purview, making Him "god" to the Church, but not the same as His Father.
Another point which I believe the Trinity accomplishes (but not by Him) is it clouds the true relationship we have with the Lord. John 14:12 says 'verily verily I say unto you, he that believeth on me, the works that I do, shall he do also. And, greater works than these shall he do because I go unto my Father." If one believes the Trinity, how can one logically embrace this command from the Lord? Do the same works as God? But if Jesus is a man, albeit a perfect man who is capable of redeeming me, then it becomes far more attainable.
Sounds good just like we are the seed of our Father he is the seed of his Father haveing the birthright so we can be one with him as Son of God . He so much wants to be the Son of God so he can have a Father in Heaven.
Amen 🙏🏻
It is not an allegation. It is FACT. In Acts 8, Peter prophesied to Simon Magus that he would become a bitter enemy against God's Church, and that is exactly what he became by the middle of the 1st century. The heresies his movement spread is apparent in the issues or doctrines that the apostles addressed in their epistles.
It was a view a theory a historically verifiable theological development that was well involved with the killing of people the torturing the burning of those who had a differing view of God.. this doctrine known as the trinity has spilled blood of people trying to find God
Jesus always say '' Me and the Father are one'' and if you see me you see the Father and ad Paul say : Great is this mystery GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH! Jesus say I AM the way I AM the the truth I AM eternal life , only God can be this .
Joh 16,28-32 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. 29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. 30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. 31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe? 32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
Joh 17,1-26 {THE PRAYER TO BE GLORIFIED}
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 {THE PRAYER FOR THE DISCIPLES}
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. 9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. 11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are]. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 {THE PRAYER FOR THE CHURCH}
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare [it]: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
Joh 18,5-8 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am [he]. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am [he], they went backward, and fell to the ground. 7 Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. 8 Jesus answered, I have told you that I am [he]: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:
Joh 18,12-14 {JESUS BEFORE JEWISH AUTHORITIES}
Then the band and the captain and officers of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him, 13 And led him away to Annas first; for he was father-in-law to Caiaphas, which was the high priest that same year. 14 Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.
Joh 18,31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:
Joh 18,33-34 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews? 34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
Joh 18,36-37 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Joh 19,3 And said, Hail, King of the Jews! and they smote him with their hands.
Joh 19,6-8 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify [him], crucify [him]. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify [him]: for I find no fault in him. 7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. 8 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he was the more afraid;
Joh 19,11-12 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power [at all] against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. 12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.
Joh 19,14-16 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! 15 But they cried out, Away with [him], away with [him], crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. 16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led [him] away.
The trinity is a pagan teaching Dogma, whom divided God into three, yet out of ignorance making God who is Spirit a person.
FALSEHOOD WIN WHEN PEOPLE CHOOSE TO BE UNCONSCIOUS OF THE TRUTH
1 Cor 8:6 "but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."
John 1:1-4 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind."
the word WAS GOD so the word it's the Father, only one God the Father.
@@michelhaineault6654 John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh and lived among us" - that the Father too?
@justinwooten9998
The Word as God is a attribute of Gods power from within God . God and his Word not created eternal.
@@glenhutchinson1722 So you're saying...Jesus is an "attribute of God's power from within God?"
@@justinwooten9998 No, God’s word is an attribute of his power. We know that the worlds were framed by his word. And God said…
Jesus was born and embodies God’s word, the word was made flesh.
Dt 18:17 the LORD God promised to put his words into the mouth of Jesus.
Jn 14:10 Jesus tells us that he does not speak on his own authority.
The "Holy Trinity" was created by apostate Christianity (the "weeds" at Matthew 13:24-30, the "antichrists", meaning "against (or instead) of Christ", at 1 John 2:18-23), that developed from an argument between "priest" Arius and "deacon" Athanasius, of Alexandria, Egypt.
The Roman Empire already had it own "trinity", whereby "with the goddesses Juno and Minerva, Jupiter formed the triad whose worship was the central cult of the Roman state."(Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2005) With Constantine (reigned 306-337 C.E.) giving the once persecuted "Christians" under his predecessor, Diocletian (reigned 284-305 C.E.), the "green light" the freedom to practice their religion and be part of the government, they became "part of the world" with its politics.
With Constantine’s support, Catholicism eventually became the official State religion of Rome in 392 C.E., when Roman Emperor Theodosius I (reigned 379-395 C.E., who was baptized as a "Christian" in 380 C.E.) made it a "law" that only so-called "Christianity" could be practiced, banning what he called paganism.
Up "to that time, he had basically tolerated the pagans and had entrusted adherents of the old cults with the highest offices.......On November 8, 392, he (Theodosius I) made his edicts of 391 ("the principles of religious intolerance") more stringent by completely prohibiting the worship of the pagan gods."(Encyclopedia Britannica)
Elaine Pagels, a professor of religion at Princeton University, explains: “Christian bishops, once targets for arrest, torture, and execution (under Diocletian's rule), now received tax exemptions, gifts from the imperial treasury, prestige, and even influence at court; their churches gained new wealth, power, and prominence.” They had become friends of the emperor, friends of the Roman world, becoming an "enemy of God".(see James 4:4)
With the disagreement between about 69 year Arius (256-336 C.E.) and about 32 year old Athanasius (c. 293-373 C.E. and who did NOT compose the Athanasian Creed), of who God and Jesus were, with Arius saying that Jesus as the Son is inferior to the Father while Athanasius said they were equal, both God.
This started to "make waves" or create fractures in Constantine's empire, so that he convened all the "bishops" at Nicaea, (that is now the Turkish city of Iznik), but only which only about 300 actually came, and in which Eusebius (who became known as the father of church history) attended, while Pope Sylvestor I (pope from 314 to 335 C.E.) did not attend though sending a legate.
The Encyclopædia Britannica says that at the Council of Nicaea, “Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed . . . the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council, ‘of one substance with the Father’ . . ."
"Overawed by the emperor, the bishops (including Eusebius, who initially favored Arius, but was seated at the right hand of Constantine, as someone "special", changed to Athanasius view), with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination.” Then with the Council of Constantinople in 381 C.E., it said that the holy spirit should be glorified, and in 382 C.E. at another synod in Constantinople, it gave full divinity to the holy spirit.
The Encyclopedia Britannica further said that the first Council of Nicaea in 325 C.E. "was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions. He hoped a general council of the church would solve the problem created in the Eastern church by Arianism, a heresy first proposed by Arius of Alexandria that affirmed that Christ is not divine but a created being."
In that same year of 382 C.E., Pope Damasus (who readily accepted the title of Pontifex Maximus, meaning "Supreme Priest", in 382 C.E. from Roman Emperor Gratian who rejected it, transferring this pagan title from a Roman Emperor to "the Bishop of Rome") presented a collection of Catholic doctrines called "the Tome of Damasus" (and written in Latin), and whereby "the Holy Trinity" was finalized it with the Council of Chalcedon in 451 C.E., adding "in the mix" that the holy spirit is "the third person of the Holy Trinity".
It took more than 400 years after Jesus death in 33 C.E., for "the Holy Trinity" to develop and become official church doctrine, that contrasts with God's Kingdom, that was CLEARLY explained and understood while Jesus was alive (see Matt 13:1-52; Mark 1:15; Luke 8:1), as well as fully grasping that Jesus is NOT God, for the apostle Peter told Jesus that "you are the Christ, the Son of the living God".(Matt 16:16)
Jesus made CLEAR that he is God's unique Son, telling Nicodemus: "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son (with the word "begotten" meaning "to father a child", see Matt 1:1-16, where the Greek gennao is used, that means "to procreate (properly, of the father), to regenerate, offspring, progeny", whereby "Abraham begat Isaac", KJV), so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God did not send his Son into the world for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him."(John 3:16, 17)
Matthew 27:41-43 reads of Jesus: "In the same way also, the chief priests with the scribes and the elders began mocking him, saying: “Others he saved; himself he cannot save ! He is King of Israel; let him now come down off the torture stake, and we will believe in him. He has put his TRUST IN GOD; let Him now rescue him if He wants him, for he said, ‘I am God’s SON.’”
He lived in hevan before he came down to earth he was the beginning of the creation by God rev 3 v 14 so that’s why he said before Abraham was i was because he lived in hevan before he came down to earth 🌍
Because truth always wins in the end. God vindicates His revelation of Himself and His triune nature.
Indeed truth wins in the end, but this is not the end. The doctrine has become mainstream now due to violence towards those who dared not to believe in the trinity.
GOD LORD YEHOVAH IS THE STANDARD FOR THE JUDGMENT OF ALL IN ALL
God King Father Lord Yehovah who created man his son as a god in his own image and likeness and commanded man to live in his image and likeness in Godliness in righteousness, holiness and perfection is the standard that established all and by which all men including self and others must be judged and related with and all things must be judged and related with.
The words of the law of the covenant of God Lord Yehovah in the testimony of God Lord Yehovah and his counsel stands and abide unfailing forever and is the standard by which all men including self and others must be judged and related with and all things must be judged and related with. The best any other person can be is an example in an instance or at some instances but there is no other standard besides God King Father Lord Yehovah and the everlasting words of the law of the covenant of God Lord Yehovah in his sure testimony and his everlasting counsel
Exodus 34:27 ASV
And Jehovah said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
Deuteronomy 31:24-26 ASV
And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, [25] that Moses commanded the Levites, that bare the ark of the covenant of Jehovah, saying, [26] Take this book of the law, and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of Jehovah your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Psalm 93:5 ASV
Thy testimonies are very sure: Holiness becometh thy house, O Jehovah, for evermore.
Psalm 111:7-10 ASV
The works of his hands are truth and justice; All his precepts are sure. [8] They are established for ever and ever; They are done in truth and uprightness. [9] He hath sent redemption unto his people; He hath commanded his covenant for ever: Holy and reverend is his name. [10] The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all they that do his commandments: His praise endureth for ever.
THE INFALLIBILITY OF THE WORD AND COUNSEL (PLAN, THOUGHT, WILL) OF THE INFALLIBLE MOST HIGH ALMIGHTY GOD LORD YEHOVAH
Jeremiah 23:35,37 ASV
Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbor, and every one to his brother, What hath Jehovah answered? and, What hath Jehovah spoken? [37] Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath Jehovah answered thee? and, What hath Jehovah spoken?
Lamentations 3:37 ASV
Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?
Deuteronomy 6:4,25 ASV
Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah: [25] And it shall be righteousness unto us, if we observe to do all this commandment before Jehovah our God, as he hath commanded us.
Deuteronomy 13:4 ASV
Ye shall walk after Jehovah your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deuteronomy 5:32 ASV
Ye shall observe to do therefore as Jehovah your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
Deuteronomy 12:32 ASV
What thing soever I command you, that shall ye observe to do: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Deuteronomy 4:2 ASV
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of Jehovah your God which I command you.
Deuteronomy 6:25 ASV
And it shall be righteousness unto us, if we observe to do all this commandment before Jehovah our God, as he hath commanded us.
Psalm 119:89 ASV
For ever, O Jehovah, Thy word is settled in heaven.
Isaiah 40:8 ASV
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth; but the word of our God shall stand forever.
Isaiah 55:10-11 ASV
For as the rain cometh down and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, and giveth seed to the sower and bread to the eater; [11] so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Psalm 29:4 ASV
The voice of Jehovah is powerful; The voice of Jehovah is full of majesty.
Psalm 33:9 ASV
For he spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.
Proverbs 30:5-6 ASV
Every word of God is tried: He is a shield unto them that take refuge in him. [6] Add thou not unto his words, Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Ecclesiastes 3:14 ASV
I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it; and God hath done it, that men should fear before him.
Psalm 33:11 ASV
The counsel of Jehovah standeth fast for ever, The thoughts of his heart to all generations.
Isaiah 14:24 ASV
Jehovah of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely, as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
Proverbs 19:21 ASV
There are many devices in a man's heart; But the counsel of Jehovah, that shall stand.
Isaiah 46:9-10,12 ASV
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me; [10] declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure; [12] Hearken unto me, ye stout-hearted, that are far from righteousness:
Isaiah 40:9-10 ASV
O thou that tellest good tidings to Zion, get thee up on a high mountain; O thou that tellest good tidings to Jerusalem, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold, your God! [10] Behold, the Lord Jehovah will come as a mighty one, and his arm will rule for him: Behold, his reward is with him, and his recompense before him.
Proverbs 24:12 ASV
If thou sayest, Behold, we knew not this; Doth not he that weigheth the hearts consider it? And he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? And shall not he render to every man according to his work?
Psalm 62:12 ASV
Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth lovingkindness; For thou renderest to every man according to his work.
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 ASV
This is the end of the matter; all hath been heard: Fear God, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. [14] For God will bring every work into judgment, with every hidden thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Jesus was clear :saying: IF YOU SEE HIM YOU SEE THE FATHER not a second person and not only a man of flesh but the Father manifest in the flesh as the sacrificial lamb for to saves is peoples. They are wrong in the video when saying a simple man can die for the salvation of all men REALLY WRONG BECAUSE only God can reconcile us with Him so Jesus was GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH as the sacrificial Lamb. John5:19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the Word of reconciliation. THIS IS TOTALLY BIBLICAL....
This is biblical; Jesus, after he was resurrected by God, sat on the right hand of God. This indicates two distinct individuals
@@davidboamah6679 God do not have a physical right hand this is an imagery of the celestial throne and Jesus represent God almighty power, there is only one throne in heaven call ''the throne of God and of the Lamb'' They are ONE not two , God is the spirit and Jesus represent our humanity in heaven God who is not a man became flesh, became the man Jesus our sacrificial lamb...
Jesus was God manifest in the flesh as the sacrificial Lamb: 2Cor.5:19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the Word of reconciliation. GOD WAS IN CHRIST this is why Jesus always say IF YOU SEE ME TOU SEE THE FATHER (IN ME) Me and the Father ARE ONE ( not two but ONE ) God do not die at the cross he crucify IS FLESH....IS HUMANITY AS A MAN.
Christ IS God. If He wasn't, He would not be able. The bible is clear on this.Jesus was before, even before His own birth, with the Jews. He was before the creation of man. Adam was the first man. But Jesus, though not physically born, was before Adam. Explain that.........(You can't.)
So where it says Adam worshipping Jesus or Emanuele?
Where it says Abraham fell with face on the ground to Jesus?
Why didn't any of them use cross?!
Who baptized Moses? In whose name?
Did God commit suicid* to rescue his own creations?!!
Jesus prayed. Was he talking to himself? Was he schizophrenic?.
You sound so assure of your view but what we don’t have in the Bible is actually your proposed assumption… Jesus had to pray to the father was he praying to himself because he’s god ? No he was praying to another “co-equal” person of him out of no necessity because Jesus can do ALL things because he is god No?
The Trinity won because Matthew 28:19 always wins.
Says nothing about a co equal co eternal trinity
So 1 verse matters more than the other 40 000 verses ?
@@AstariahJW 1 SINGULAR name encompasses all three Persons.
1 verse matters EQUALLY with all the other verses. No contradiction.
And yet the apostles never used that formula but instead baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Why is that?
Yes, let's just ignore the fact that only one verse previous to the one you cited Jesus says he was given all authority.
@@white_dragoon_x Thanks for citing a passage that proves Jesus is God. Since Jesus has universal authority demonstrates He is God.
The word "trinity" is not in the Bible - more false religion.
Jesus' rulership is for 1000 years then he hands over the kingdom to his Father. This is when the three become one and the so-called penned word, false religion "trinity" is - real and it's not real - because they are now one, not three.
Notice in verse 28 "that God may be all things to everyone"
1 Corinthians 15:24-28
24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
This subject proves that, like 2 Tim 3:1-5 "the people will not agree to anything" they are wicked and love to argue - to get some more narcissistic supply.
The people are sick, our whole society is suffering from a severe case of narcissism, and they will argue about anything just to fluff their egos. They learn it from watching Jerry Springer, Court TV, reality TV, late night TV and sick-coms, where all you see is people attacking, insulting and disrespecting one another for the entire 30 minutes or an hour.
If the trinity is true or not is not going to change a damn thing in their lives other than give them something to argue about and waste more time and energy on stupidity.
Lord have mercy on these wicked people.
The Trinitiy won because God promised his church was the pillar and foundation of truth and he would guide his church into the end of the age. To be unitarian is to deny God's promise and to believe he led his church into apostacy within the first 100 years of its existence. I was unitarian, please study church history and leave this heresy guys.
No trinity is not truth
Its doctrine of demons
If that were the case then there would be no Roman Catholic church or 100s of denominations. Leave it to sinful humans to always mess things up.
You have totally failed to read the Bible, particularly the many New Testament warnings about the rise of false prophets who will deceive many believers. If you claim to have studied church history, then how did you miss the false prophet named Philo of Alexandria, who mixed Platonic ideas with Judaism, and thereby influenced early church teachings? Scholars do not deny that Plato's ideas were used to "aid" in understanding the Gospel of John, especially in the prologue usage of "logos." If you claim to have fully understood God's revelation of himself to man through His prophets and through His son as mentioned in Hebrews 1, coupled with the dire warnings to God's people about incorporating pagan religious ideas into Judaism, then how can you voluntarily adopt pagan philosophy as a guide to the truth?
We know for a fact that Jesus was a man while on earth. Everyone agrees on this because it is evident to all. Beyond this, what matters is whether you believe Jesus spoke the truth, and whether you obey Him as a result of that belief.
The sheep and the goats aren't separated based on whether they guessed correctly concerning what Jesus is. They are separated based on how they responded to Jesus' instructions.
Those of faith will naturally respond with obedience as if it is the most logical and natural thing to them. And to them, God will respond by giving help at every point through His Spirit. It's no coincidence that the Spirit is called "the Helper". The Spirit helps those who already have their hearts set on knowing God and doing His will.
Those who aren't of the faith will naturally respond with skepticism concerning the merits, validity and power of what they are being asked to do, regarding the Lord's instructions as foreign, strange and unreasonable. Yet some of them may even put up a pretense of agreeing with God by outwardly performing some instructions robotically and ritualistically, or even making up their own instructions to keep. But Jesus still knows who is of His sheep and who isn't, and will promptly separate His sheep from the goats.