"youre white..." *Screams basically and checks self* "oh u mean Caucasian..." Is such a good scene even as a kid i felt the weight of what was happening
I really think the most interesting part of M'ggan is that she turns out to be a twist of the humanoid alien trope, and is made the victim of racism as conventionally scarier looking. It is a much more interesting story that she shouldn't be ashamed of what she is, while her true form looks like something normally villainised.
06:20 - I think it's not so much that she was purposefully ignoring or oblivious to Kid Flash's advances, but more that she was just too nice to reject him directly.
What if she was pretending not to notice because sitcom characters are always oblivious to flirting. She could have been waiting for the 'episode' with the big declaration.
I love that you point out how close young justice becomes that they start talking to each other telepathically but to others it’s super weird because they’re all just looking at each other and emoting😂 like “why is nobody talking?” “Oh sorry we were communicating telepathically.” “Oh that’s super rude”😂
Most people, and admitadly myself, who critisize seasons 3 and 4 think that they're packed with too many characters, limited character development and bloated amounts of references.
Young Justice definitely shows arguably the best version of Miss Martian, even with her issues of self-hatred and her raw untapped power. Miss Martian just had great character development for better or worse, and she has a great relationship with Superboy for better or worse.
Not trying to discret or make it seem like I had an easier life but growing up as a black kid i never experienced racism and if I had I probably was ignorant at the time plus I didn't understand the concept of race or ethnicity. I do hear stories about racism and thought ppl being racist were just retarded and weird simply because there'snore than one race. In my early teen I started realizing how messed up racist ppl are to the point they'd be willing to actually kill especially from the police officers like when they killed Travon Martin and my foster mother taught me how shits real and that's how they act and abuse their power which had me confused knowing ppl would kill over dumb shit. There were also times where i thought about wanting to be white for some reason don't ask why. Again not trying to come across as that guy but I'm grateful I personally never experienced racism whether luck or just out of ignorance. But now as a young adult any time I see characters like TMNT, Gargoyles, X-men or even other Black character i can't say I relate but I can sympathize with their pain and struggles even when the character would say "you don't know what it's like, you wouldnt understand or when they talk about how privilege you ppl are (even I sorta feel privilege in a way) Idk if being called hard r in cod counts (mostly cause I'd laugh and trash talk back) But any time I hear racism ppl had to go through even IRL I can't help but sympathize and wish stuff like this never happens to ppl. I'm also glad I stopped thinking I wanted to be white and appreciate who I am as a black person cause no one should be ridiculed, feel like they are less of a person because how a bunch of dumb ppl think you don't have a right to exist
@@ckitoko There’s some humor in now because we’re older and look back and laugh. But there’s still many young black Americans who don’t feel comfortable in their own skin.
@@ExoticZah Well said bro, its coz we are disconnected from our youth and we're able to look back and see the humor in our pain But its not just black Americans, its everybody from every country... some wish they were skinner, some wish there were black, others tallers, there are those who wished their dicks were bigger lmao, etc... everybody had something Hopefully everyone out grew their pain and can now look back and laugh... For those who didn't, there's nothing anyone else can do as self love comes from within, one has to accept who they are before they can blossom.. if one doesnt learn to accept themselves than they'll hate themselves over something stupid and life will just pass them by.. verbal bullying is only effective if u believe in what they saying, if not than its literally just words😅 Im from South Africa, went to a 'white high school' and the boys nick named me 'Kaffer' coz i was the only black guy in my friend group😭😭🤣 Thats the SA word for Negro, I could be the only black SA person in history to accept that as a nickname but it was funny af, should've seen how teachers reacted when the homies called me😂😂 Than i'd turn to the boys and react positively😂😭😭 Some of the boys would get detention for simply calling me😭🤣🤣 "But ma'am he's fine with it!!" ... black teachers: " I dont care! I hate that word!!" ... Me: "🤣😭😭😭😂" It didnt effect me coz i was a handsome muscular back dude with low body fat, tall, had a black-man-dick and the ladies loved me so shit.. my skin color made me special being 🤣 so the nick name was just a word - But thats coz i leaned to accept myself for me back in primary school
this video hit so hard man especially as a afro latino kid I always liked megan and connected with her growing up I couldn’t tell why it was always just she was so relatable this video did so well in giving words to why I felt that way so much
@ Pacing and writing at times could have been better but the themes and messages was still spot on. Especially all the episodes that targeted the characters mental health. It’s hard to find super hero shows with RAW emotion like that. I’ve never seen Clark Kent cry until watching Young Justice. Superman actually cried for Super boy. That’s real love.
Superboy and icicle juniors friendship is so wholesome. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it and I am so happy that when he and Miss Martian gets married, Junior is right there in the crowd I love it.
I get it, I have spent all my life struggling with my life because of my CP cerebral palsy but I’ve learned to live with it and my brain bleed, I used to hate myself no friends or always keeping to myself but i’ve learned to come to terms with it and thank you for that even though it was a short segment it resonated with me
17:06 Way I understand it, it's the classic "You can't save everybody" dialed to 11 to make it EXCESSIVELY clear "There is no hope, what do you do when you know there is no winning?" Perhaps even a small bit of "How long does it take you to realize this exercise is unwinnable at all?" Basically trying to Brute Force the lesson "Losing happens get the heck over it sometimes yoir best just isn't good enough". Not saying not stupid, just saying what I think the logic was there, whether good logic or bad.
Don't know if it makes sense, but Megan made me be a lot more understanding of transgender people. Her whole struggle with self image and how she saw herself in contrast to her "real" form really opened my eyes to understanding that. It also showed me how you can recognize both parts of your person; how do you feel inside and how do you look outside and choose who you prefer to be, not letting society or yourself force you into to being someone you don't want to be or don't feel comfortable with.
Love that you're continuing the Young Justice analysis! One small error: 15:00 That was professor Ivo and M'gann didn't get the information out of him. He made a point to flex he's immune to telepathic intrusions, to which Zatanna responded with a spell, which told the team the truth. This is little setback is a bit significant for her in season 2, where she actually started ripping information out of the minds of enemies. Something else I'd like to point out.There's some pretty good symbolism with MM's design. In season 1 her skin is green. This is because she's hiding her white Martian identity, but it's also symbolic of the fact she's very new to both Earth and being a hero. She's both figuratively and literally too green at that point. Then in season 2 her skin tone gets slightly lighter, but she's still green. She's beginning to ripen, but still has a lot to learn and to accept herself. Season 3 she's changed to be bald and white to make it clearer she's a white Martian. She's accepted that side of herself and takes on a similar form to her uncle instead of a fully Martian form to not scare the people of Earth. Here's she's a mature leader and not green at all. Her final design is the acceptance that her not viewing her true self as her fully Martian original form isn't a bad thing. She can shapeshift, she doesn't need to be limited on what her original form was. And it's her best design so far in my opinion. It's almost like the stages of a butterfly or a plant blossoming with her final form being the prettiest.
I think that Young Justice had the perfect adaptation of Miss Martian as we don’t see her much outside this I liked how she is shown as white Martian trying to be Green and sitcom Teenage girl she used her Megan persona to hide her insecurities how she hate herself and how she slowly learns to trust her new found Family with who she really is and to Being herself we see how powerful she is and seeing her struggles especially with what happened during the simulation test she had a fun character in the show and seeing her relationship with Conner developed in the first season.
I know people dislike the later two seasons, but Miss Martian making her base form white instead of green in her adult life to embrace her skin tone is kind of cathartic. *soapbox* a lot of black nerds grow up hating ourselves due to not fitting in ANY box. (I grew up in the north, I can only imagine dealing with the south..woof) However as you grow up (and gain self respect) you start to be unapologetic about your skin tone or your interests. As much harm the internet has done by allowing people to remain in echo chambers, it also has allowed a lot of people to connect where black nerdiness has become mainstream. Cheers to being able to be yourself (for better or for worse)*/soapbox*
Think making her almost immediately stronger than any Pyschic took her in a bad direction. They really did not address how fucked up her psychically assaulting people was.
Actually, I think they did. The problem was that she was psychically assaulting minds on the opposite side of her. And using it to justify helping the league. When she was doing it with the Crolataians (hope I spelled that right), she had no empathy for them. They were the enemy and a threat to her loved ones. But when she does it to Kaldur, someone she loved who heinously betrayed her, and sees that Artemis’s death was faked she sees her mistake. She didn’t have the full story because it was kept from her, and somebody she thought was a traitor is still on her side. There was already that layer and history of companionship, acceptance, love and empathy built from their past. To see how she destroyed somebody under false pretenses, and that the person was someone she cared about, that’s what stopped her and made her reconsider her psychic assaults.
To be honest, M'Gann did the "fish out of water" trope better than Starfire from Teen Titans. For one thing; despite being an alien, she's not depicted as a naive idiot
I like how she basically chooses to take that personality as she takes it from the sitcom Hello Megan, but as the show progresses she leaves that mask behind and grows to become more of herself and less of Megan
Young Justice still is one of DC's greatest adaptations. Some of their characters (Miss Martian, Red Arrow) have never received the same respect from the comics. And I feel their original characters (Kaldur'Ahm, Artemis) STILL have yet to be properly adapted into the comics, if at all.
@LynnRenee-hi2dq I mean, technically, yes. But Artemis Crock/ Tigress has been consistently a villain in the comics with little to no relation to Cheshire, Teen Titans or Young Justice. TBF, you could say the same about Superboy to a lesser extent. And Aqualad to a greater extent. They obviously exist in the comics but not in the way they do here. They personalities and origins are vastly different (and improved).
Love your Young Justice videos, they're very entertaining. M'gann is definitely one of the most complex characters in the show, and I relate to her in a way. Not because of the racial discrimination allegory, because I've never faced such cruelty, but because I've also experienced severe self-hatred for who I am, and felt the pressure to hide my true self or lie about things in my life to fit in and feel accepted, or avoid judgement. I feel like that's something anyone can relate to, but it really struck a personal chord with me. Thankfully I'm doing better when it comes to accepting who I am and understanding I don't need to change myself just to fit in, and I like to believe M'gann helped contribute to that. Tbh I kinda started to dislike her in season 2 because of her various horrible actions with her psychic powers, but by season 3 and 4 I went back to liking her and feeling that personal connection again. Also, it makes me happy seeing her embrace her white Martian skin in seasons 3 and 4. It's a great visual representation of her growth throughout the show, going from pretending to be green out of self-hatred and fear, to accepting herself and fully discovering who she is. It's beautiful honestly.
17:03 I actually kind of get the point of the trading exercise. It would teach them how to survive an apocalypse scenario how to stay calm of pressure, but also to accept the point where they just need to take a step back that surrender but regroup in an away.
Thank you for making this video. I've struggled with my identity being like half Mexican and other sttributes so this existing just means alot! Young Justice is a really cool show!🎉
I'm sure it's a dead subject by now, but I wasn't a fan of S2 doing that big jump. We picked up in a completely different headspace for the characters, and seeing what happened to MM was really dissatisfying since we didn't see her journey getting there.
i feel like while the idea of time jumps was cool doing the large one between s1 and s2 was extremely jarring, s3 and s4 seemed to have learned from that mistake as they pick up a yr after each previous roughly.
@paintingdreams290 It's a shame they hadn't considered that before. A LOT of stuff happened in those 5 years that's kinda just talked about and breezed over (Chesire and Red Arrow having a daughter, Jason Todd being Robin and dying, Garth's mom dying, etc.) It's a shame because I really wanted this show to be the next "X-Men: Evolution." But the growing cast and shifting character focus and timeskips made it hard to stay invested.
@@OpticalSorcerer agreed, they try and remedy it later on, but it defo was confusing to watch and figure out and almost led me to quit the show, before, i didnt
I think you might like taking a look at the Cyborg 009 franchise. I was first introduced to the franchise via the 2002 anime title Cyborg Soldier 009 (but Toonami just ran it as Cyborg 009); and the 2002 anime is considered to be the best adaptation of the series, at least until the CG movies in the 2010s popup, but those movies still use the 2002 anime as their foundation for where the characters are coming from. And something that is kind of fun is that each of the cyborg not only have their own distinct abilities granted to them by what was done to them but also that they each com from different ethnic backgrounds. And the cyborg known as 008 is actually formerly a freedom fighter from a small African nation that was being exploited by the people in power, and he is also the only one of the cyborgs that had any actual combat experience, other than maybe 002 who was part of a New York gang in the early 1900s, before becoming a cyborg. Each of the cyborg do have actual names, and being known as numbers is in effect dehumanizing, but part of the themes of the core Cyborg 009 series from 2002 is overcoming trauma and reclaiming your sense of identity. At least, that's how I choose to see it, seeing as the main cast interchangeably use their cyborg model numbers and actual names with each other. Also, I think it's important to spread out what you can get, and Cyborg 009 is superhero adjacent enough for you to probably slide into it all. A word of warning, the history of the 009 franchise has some unintentional undertones in the west due to how black people were portrayed in western media, the mangaka that created the series used that type of art style because he saw it as being a readily available template. I recommend watching a video or two on the history of Cyborg 009 before deciding if you want to actually approach it, and where you would like to start if you decide to use the series as a subject for your videos.
I definitely understand, I was heavily judged growing up in a environment that if you’re black, you have to be a stereotype and not have interests or hobbies outside the norm that doesn’t fit the stereotypes that were placed
Young Justice feels like DC’s Avengers EMH but that somehow focus on the side heroes instead of the main ones of the Justice League and I like it. I remember watching this show with my sister on Friday evenings and miss Martian was our favourite character.
This was a great video! You hit on a lot of great points and nuances of M’ggan’s character that I missed when I watched this. Don’t know if that’s because I was younger when I did or what 😄 but I appreciate her character so much more now because of this video! Makes me want to go back and watch the show again 😊
I'm glad I follow your channel. I'm older than a lot of your viewers, 58. I'm black, and I have mild cerebral palsy. I've been into comics since the age of fifteen. As a kid, I wanted to fit in. Be "normal". It took a lot of work, but I'm cool with who I am. I can relate a lot to the X-Men to this day. I'm good with who I am, but I still deal with people who don't understand.. Hang in there, man! Also, I like J'onn J'onzz a lot more than Superman, due to the fact he still has trouble fitting in, unlike Superman.
Great video! I struggled with my accepting my blackness as well growing up. It took me years to get over the self hatred I had about my skin, my hair, my nose. Sucked but I’m happy I got through it
The episode where Artemis d!€d, but not really still breaks me. Is like you had nightmare of your most love one is gone. I mean I know that's the point, but still made me cry😭
My favorite justification of how Megan can exist as a "White Martian" while there is basically no such thing, other than the white drones they faught in JL Unlimited, is that even though she is martian, she is albino, and sue to cultural PTSD from the drones, albinism is heavily stigmatized.
Technically she didn't get the information on Morrow from Ivo. She tried, but Ivo resisted her. It was zatana and her magic that got him to speak quite easily. But everything else I agree with. I love this show. Even the seasons that nobody else liked I quite enjoyed. Because they brought all these characters and made them way more than what they were portrayed before. I hope that there is a season 5 coming along
While I haven't gone through the same things I know that self hate is a bitch and I'm not sure how but I just let go of it or I realized that it hadn't been there for a while and just live with who I am even if a very small part is still there, it's not as horrible as it used to be, it was bad enough to wear a mask and not be myself (even if that mask is me and what I'd do, it wasn't not who I naturally am)
This really is one of the very best animated hero shows I have ever seen. The quality of animation, the sound detail, the storylines, the complexity and relatability of the characters, it was all top notch in my opinion. Possibly a bit "preachy" at times, but still. I was disappointed when it ended.
Hey are you thinking of doing a video on Artemis since she was very interesting to watch I when I was kid but more so know after reading comics and seeing she became a villain there but the show influenced the character so much that when she appeared in the Stargirl show on Max she went from villain to hero
@@Venxousmay I recommend checking out the young justice comics for that video? Batman and Green Arrow got the info about the Belle Rev break out because they had Artemis pretend she was arrested and was talking to icicle jr. turns out they were friends (ish) as kids. At the end, Artemis told Green Arrow and Batman that she never wants to do that again.
In the whole “cartoon” of it all they were never going to let the cute girl stay looking like a white Martian, you can’t sell those action figures or backpacks BUT, it would have been interesting to see her incorporate more of her white Martian features into her green Martian look or when she’s in battle.
When you started talking about being a black guy in the deep south, I grew up being a non-straight white guy in the deep south and while I could hide it by just not saying anything I knew and I also struggled kinda hating myself for not being straight in the deep south. I thank you for opening up with your experiences
I always liked that she was a girly girl, but still badass. Like typical badass girls are portrayed edgy or tomboy-ish, and if they're not then they're usually badly written.
I always thought the training excersise was to test their perseverance/determination. Would they still fight even against the impossible and how would they react against the mental stress... until it turned to psychological stress.
On 15:00 it was zatanna who retrieved the info and not zatanna. Great video tho! I love creators who still gets into Young Justice! Love this show (even season 3 lol)
The first error that came to my mind was that MM from the rip wouldv train MG to a certain level of understanding human culture specifically the telepathic thing which felt like the writers just ignore that part of MM because hes not stupid to not prepare a martian with the knowledge of dont do certain things on earth but i guess they needed to so she could go through specific arcs in her character
Miss Martian in Young Justice is my favorite Superheroine in DC's history and despite my frustrations with season 3/4 and it getting canceled again i will always treasure the Marriage of Superboy and Miss Martian
Good morning. I'm fan of miss martian and dc comic. Everyone have great day and next day and week and weekend and next week and full happiness 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊. Great video and keep make great videos and keep make more great videos 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊. I enjoy this video. I'm look forward next video.
As someone who is both special needs and is in the queer community I can completely get behind what you're saying about either one you stay in the closet or feeling uncomfortable with who you are for a while. Ms. M./Migan speaks to so meny. Her coming out scean is a huge first step
I just felt like they shouldn't make that much time skips. The whole season 3 confused the sh!!t out of me, like maybe if you know more about other shows yes, but I didn't and was really confused😭
I can relate Venxous except my demons were more on my inside i was born with a mental disability took til i was 21 to learn it was autism. No matter how hard i tried to hide it it came out so people always treated me like i was inferior to them. The darkness grew so strong i debated deleting myself because i was always alone and getting bullied. What made me stop a nature documentary on wolves came on. I learned about how they were hunted to near extinction and never gave up. My mind said if only i was that strong i looked into a wolfs eyes on that show. Everything i went through went through my mind from my own bio parents trying to delete me when i was 6 because they felt it would be a mercy. To being always bullied and yet i never gave up. I then said no i piss more people off alive and if i died make too many people happy. Everytime them demons came back asking me to delete myself. A voice in my head growled then i heard your stronger then this. My wife was full Oglala Sioux she replied all that happened that day she said. That was your spirit animal talking to you and that wolf show awakened it.
17:40 ... I think it was the best episode and I loved the concept but I think it was inserted into the show a bit clumsily ...mabey if the training was for an actual mission purpose... Like a upcoming mission where they're gonna be completely out of touch from the league ...and they're just running through different possible scenarios and worst cases ... Mabey it wasn't completely needed
Idk know if it was because of run time or you wanted to cover another video about it and i believeyou mentioned in the SB video. But I'd like a more in depth video upon MM and SB's relationship especially where MM was abusing her telepathy and SB found it to be immoral and she tries to justify it and cause a rift between them
@Venxous looking forward to it, also the part where you mentioned about your experience with racism. Idw say I'm sorry because it's overused and it can't undo much but I'm grateful that you not only endured some of the harshness down south but I also appreciate you didn't let that hate change or define who you are. I also made a long comment on someone else's comment about the topic and my own experience which isn't like anyone else's but all I can say is I sympathize and understand why you relate to characters like MM and the X-men. And I appreciate you making a video about it while injecting your own personal experience relating to these characters
I don't like her character design in young justice s3 and s4, I wish they kept her og season 1 and 2 face design, why they changed artstyle in s3 and s4 artstyle look downgrade than 1 and 2
I really got Megan as well. The constant negativity of being a black nonbinary person in a primarily white cis area(s) gets overwhelming a lot of the time.
I'm sure the words of a rando on the web (who hasn't lived your life) doesn't mean much but I truly hope you're feeling more comfortable being yourself these day, m8. Here to our true selves. ☕️
I always loved this Miss Martian and I'm really glad her public persona represents being a white martian now (can't recall what season that started in though).
In season 3 she adopted an appearence akin to Martian Manhunter, but with white skin, and then in season 4 she mixes both looks of white martian and human, and i think that speaks a lot about her growth, she gets to understand both, how she feels in the interior and how she looks in the exterior, she's Megan Morse and she is also M'gan M'orzz, she doesn't feel the need of hiding either aspects of her.
I really connected with Miss Martian too when watching the show, like I got the race allegory but as a white man that isn't why, but that feeling of not being able to be your true self and having to hide who you are around the people you love most is a thing anyone can connect too. And in the later seasons I like that she does start going around as a white Martian, and then go back to staying green since even though it's not her natural colour she hid as it for so long that she's just more comfortable in it than her white self. To me that read as somewhat of a trans allegory, identifying with a trait that isn't what your biology would have? That is a bit of a stretch I'll admit.
How can she be untrained or undertrained in the use of her telepathy when she is from a planet, society, and culture consisting solely of telepaths? She would have been using telepathy since birth; every day, I assume telepathy would be part of her schooling like English class is part of schooling in English-speaking nations. Many of her relatives are among the most powerful telepaths on Mars, and she has both of the powers, telepathy, and telekinesis, of the two major races of her planet. She looks to be a teenager, so she would have at least a Martian high school level of telepathic training, which should be much more than any Earth telepath would ever receive.
In Mars they use telepathy as a mean of comunication, not as a weapon to fight. Imagine that there's a world where the vibrations of your voice can be used as a weapon, you would need training to discover how to actually weaponize something you have never thought as such.
@@senorbolainas2991 We live in a world where voice , actually all sound can be used as a weapon and we do, every cruise ship has a sonic canon to use in case of pirates. we use hands to caress and to kill. If an intelligent species has any kind of ability as a matter of course it would follow that they would learn to use it for help and for harm. However that is not my point. My point is that telepathy is an every day thing on Mars used by toddlers to ask for milk. it is not on earth, no earth telepath could possibly be more comfortable with its use and the various ways it can be used than a Martian. Also obviously since she came to the planet already knowing how to use telepathy as a weapon then obviously Martians use it to do more than just communicate. She is also telekinetic most Martians are not, it is something only some white Martians can do so she was already exceptional on mars.
"youre white..." *Screams basically and checks self* "oh u mean Caucasian..." Is such a good scene even as a kid i felt the weight of what was happening
Having to get characters talk telepathically also saves time and money on animating lip movements.
Good point, lol
I really think the most interesting part of M'ggan is that she turns out to be a twist of the humanoid alien trope, and is made the victim of racism as conventionally scarier looking. It is a much more interesting story that she shouldn't be ashamed of what she is, while her true form looks like something normally villainised.
06:20 - I think it's not so much that she was purposefully ignoring or oblivious to Kid Flash's advances, but more that she was just too nice to reject him directly.
What if she was pretending not to notice because sitcom characters are always oblivious to flirting. She could have been waiting for the 'episode' with the big declaration.
Wow thats genius!! @BBBness
@ Thanks.
Perhaps she just didn't cared, Wally flirts with every girl he finds anywhere, even with Black Canary.
I love that you point out how close young justice becomes that they start talking to each other telepathically but to others it’s super weird because they’re all just looking at each other and emoting😂 like “why is nobody talking?”
“Oh sorry we were communicating telepathically.”
“Oh that’s super rude”😂
Season 3-4 of Young Justice wasn’t as bad as people made it seem. Miss Martian is better her comic counterpart.
I agree and honestly I think people who criticize season 3 and 4 don’t know what they were talking about in my opinion.
A lot of people are also whiny about the LGBTQ content, and they misgender halo.
It helps that the comic counterpart has so little history to pull from
Most people, and admitadly myself, who critisize seasons 3 and 4 think that they're packed with too many characters, limited character development and bloated amounts of references.
@@kimeraclan3135 fair point
Young Justice definitely shows arguably the best version of Miss Martian, even with her issues of self-hatred and her raw untapped power. Miss Martian just had great character development for better or worse, and she has a great relationship with Superboy for better or worse.
26:52 Bro I almost cried listening to this part. As a black kid growing up in America, I relate to every word. Self love is so important!
Ayo that was low-key funny though
Not trying to discret or make it seem like I had an easier life but growing up as a black kid i never experienced racism and if I had I probably was ignorant at the time plus I didn't understand the concept of race or ethnicity. I do hear stories about racism and thought ppl being racist were just retarded and weird simply because there'snore than one race.
In my early teen I started realizing how messed up racist ppl are to the point they'd be willing to actually kill especially from the police officers like when they killed Travon Martin and my foster mother taught me how shits real and that's how they act and abuse their power which had me confused knowing ppl would kill over dumb shit.
There were also times where i thought about wanting to be white for some reason don't ask why.
Again not trying to come across as that guy but I'm grateful I personally never experienced racism whether luck or just out of ignorance.
But now as a young adult any time I see characters like TMNT, Gargoyles, X-men or even other Black character i can't say I relate but I can sympathize with their pain and struggles even when the character would say "you don't know what it's like, you wouldnt understand or when they talk about how privilege you ppl are (even I sorta feel privilege in a way)
Idk if being called hard r in cod counts (mostly cause I'd laugh and trash talk back)
But any time I hear racism ppl had to go through even IRL I can't help but sympathize and wish stuff like this never happens to ppl.
I'm also glad I stopped thinking I wanted to be white and appreciate who I am as a black person cause no one should be ridiculed, feel like they are less of a person because how a bunch of dumb ppl think you don't have a right to exist
@@ckitoko There’s some humor in now because we’re older and look back and laugh. But there’s still many young black Americans who don’t feel comfortable in their own skin.
@@ExoticZah Well said bro, its coz we are disconnected from our youth and we're able to look back and see the humor in our pain
But its not just black Americans, its everybody from every country... some wish they were skinner, some wish there were black, others tallers, there are those who wished their dicks were bigger lmao, etc... everybody had something
Hopefully everyone out grew their pain and can now look back and laugh...
For those who didn't, there's nothing anyone else can do as self love comes from within, one has to accept who they are before they can blossom.. if one doesnt learn to accept themselves than they'll hate themselves over something stupid and life will just pass them by.. verbal bullying is only effective if u believe in what they saying, if not than its literally just words😅
Im from South Africa, went to a 'white high school' and the boys nick named me 'Kaffer' coz i was the only black guy in my friend group😭😭🤣 Thats the SA word for Negro, I could be the only black SA person in history to accept that as a nickname but it was funny af, should've seen how teachers reacted when the homies called me😂😂 Than i'd turn to the boys and react positively😂😭😭 Some of the boys would get detention for simply calling me😭🤣🤣 "But ma'am he's fine with it!!" ... black teachers: " I dont care! I hate that word!!" ... Me: "🤣😭😭😭😂"
It didnt effect me coz i was a handsome muscular back dude with low body fat, tall, had a black-man-dick and the ladies loved me so shit.. my skin color made me special being 🤣 so the nick name was just a word - But thats coz i leaned to accept myself for me back in primary school
this video hit so hard man especially as a afro latino kid I always liked megan and connected with her growing up I couldn’t tell why it was always just she was so relatable this video did so well in giving words to why I felt that way so much
Venxous cooked with another Young Justice vid. This show deserves more love. Especially the later seasons.
The later seasons ?!...the messaging and themes absolutely but not the writing and pacing.
@ Pacing and writing at times could have been better but the themes and messages was still spot on. Especially all the episodes that targeted the characters mental health. It’s hard to find super hero shows with RAW emotion like that. I’ve never seen Clark Kent cry until watching Young Justice. Superman actually cried for Super boy. That’s real love.
Superboy and icicle juniors friendship is so wholesome. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it and I am so happy that when he and Miss Martian gets married, Junior is right there in the crowd I love it.
I think maybe Icicle Jr could reform and become a hero. Clayface did it, so why not Icicle?
I get it, I have spent all my life struggling with my life because of my CP cerebral palsy but I’ve learned to live with it and my brain bleed, I used to hate myself no friends or always keeping to myself but i’ve learned to come to terms with it and thank you for that even though it was a short segment it resonated with me
17:06 Way I understand it, it's the classic "You can't save everybody" dialed to 11 to make it EXCESSIVELY clear "There is no hope, what do you do when you know there is no winning?"
Perhaps even a small bit of "How long does it take you to realize this exercise is unwinnable at all?"
Basically trying to Brute Force the lesson "Losing happens get the heck over it sometimes yoir best just isn't good enough".
Not saying not stupid, just saying what I think the logic was there, whether good logic or bad.
Don't know if it makes sense, but Megan made me be a lot more understanding of transgender people. Her whole struggle with self image and how she saw herself in contrast to her "real" form really opened my eyes to understanding that. It also showed me how you can recognize both parts of your person; how do you feel inside and how do you look outside and choose who you prefer to be, not letting society or yourself force you into to being someone you don't want to be or don't feel comfortable with.
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@@bigcatdiary08 Alright, chromosomes what?
Love that you're continuing the Young Justice analysis!
One small error: 15:00 That was professor Ivo and M'gann didn't get the information out of him. He made a point to flex he's immune to telepathic intrusions, to which Zatanna responded with a spell, which told the team the truth. This is little setback is a bit significant for her in season 2, where she actually started ripping information out of the minds of enemies.
Something else I'd like to point out.There's some pretty good symbolism with MM's design. In season 1 her skin is green. This is because she's hiding her white Martian identity, but it's also symbolic of the fact she's very new to both Earth and being a hero. She's both figuratively and literally too green at that point. Then in season 2 her skin tone gets slightly lighter, but she's still green. She's beginning to ripen, but still has a lot to learn and to accept herself. Season 3 she's changed to be bald and white to make it clearer she's a white Martian. She's accepted that side of herself and takes on a similar form to her uncle instead of a fully Martian form to not scare the people of Earth. Here's she's a mature leader and not green at all. Her final design is the acceptance that her not viewing her true self as her fully Martian original form isn't a bad thing. She can shapeshift, she doesn't need to be limited on what her original form was. And it's her best design so far in my opinion. It's almost like the stages of a butterfly or a plant blossoming with her final form being the prettiest.
I think that Young Justice had the perfect adaptation of Miss Martian as we don’t see her much outside this I liked how she is shown as white Martian trying to be Green and sitcom Teenage girl she used her Megan persona to hide her insecurities how she hate herself and how she slowly learns to trust her new found Family with who she really is and to Being herself we see how powerful she is and seeing her struggles especially with what happened during the simulation test she had a fun character in the show and seeing her relationship with Conner developed in the first season.
2:19 as if her suffering brutal alien racism in a telepathic caste system world is a lesser extent 😭😭
I know people dislike the later two seasons, but Miss Martian making her base form white instead of green in her adult life to embrace her skin tone is kind of cathartic.
*soapbox* a lot of black nerds grow up hating ourselves due to not fitting in ANY box. (I grew up in the north, I can only imagine dealing with the south..woof) However as you grow up (and gain self respect) you start to be unapologetic about your skin tone or your interests. As much harm the internet has done by allowing people to remain in echo chambers, it also has allowed a lot of people to connect where black nerdiness has become mainstream. Cheers to being able to be yourself (for better or for worse)*/soapbox*
Think making her almost immediately stronger than any Pyschic took her in a bad direction. They really did not address how fucked up her psychically assaulting people was.
Actually, I think they did. The problem was that she was psychically assaulting minds on the opposite side of her. And using it to justify helping the league. When she was doing it with the Crolataians (hope I spelled that right), she had no empathy for them. They were the enemy and a threat to her loved ones.
But when she does it to Kaldur, someone she loved who heinously betrayed her, and sees that Artemis’s death was faked she sees her mistake. She didn’t have the full story because it was kept from her, and somebody she thought was a traitor is still on her side. There was already that layer and history of companionship, acceptance, love and empathy built from their past.
To see how she destroyed somebody under false pretenses, and that the person was someone she cared about, that’s what stopped her and made her reconsider her psychic assaults.
To be honest, M'Gann did the "fish out of water" trope better than Starfire from Teen Titans.
For one thing; despite being an alien, she's not depicted as a naive idiot
I like how she basically chooses to take that personality as she takes it from the sitcom Hello Megan, but as the show progresses she leaves that mask behind and grows to become more of herself and less of Megan
Young Justice still is one of DC's greatest adaptations. Some of their characters (Miss Martian, Red Arrow) have never received the same respect from the comics. And I feel their original characters (Kaldur'Ahm, Artemis) STILL have yet to be properly adapted into the comics, if at all.
It sounds like DCs X - MEN analog.
Artemis is a comic book charcter first and was adpated into young justice like miss martian, red arrow, kid flash, and robin.
@LynnRenee-hi2dq I mean, technically, yes. But Artemis Crock/ Tigress has been consistently a villain in the comics with little to no relation to Cheshire, Teen Titans or Young Justice.
TBF, you could say the same about Superboy to a lesser extent. And Aqualad to a greater extent. They obviously exist in the comics but not in the way they do here. They personalities and origins are vastly different (and improved).
Meh, is just a Marvel show pre-MCU with DC Characters.
@@mayotango1317 I don't what that means.
Thank You, Venxous!
Love your Young Justice videos, they're very entertaining. M'gann is definitely one of the most complex characters in the show, and I relate to her in a way. Not because of the racial discrimination allegory, because I've never faced such cruelty, but because I've also experienced severe self-hatred for who I am, and felt the pressure to hide my true self or lie about things in my life to fit in and feel accepted, or avoid judgement. I feel like that's something anyone can relate to, but it really struck a personal chord with me. Thankfully I'm doing better when it comes to accepting who I am and understanding I don't need to change myself just to fit in, and I like to believe M'gann helped contribute to that. Tbh I kinda started to dislike her in season 2 because of her various horrible actions with her psychic powers, but by season 3 and 4 I went back to liking her and feeling that personal connection again. Also, it makes me happy seeing her embrace her white Martian skin in seasons 3 and 4. It's a great visual representation of her growth throughout the show, going from pretending to be green out of self-hatred and fear, to accepting herself and fully discovering who she is. It's beautiful honestly.
17:03 I actually kind of get the point of the trading exercise. It would teach them how to survive an apocalypse scenario how to stay calm of pressure, but also to accept the point where they just need to take a step back that surrender but regroup in an away.
Thank you for making this video. I've struggled with my identity being like half Mexican and other sttributes so this existing just means alot! Young Justice is a really cool show!🎉
I'm sure it's a dead subject by now, but I wasn't a fan of S2 doing that big jump. We picked up in a completely different headspace for the characters, and seeing what happened to MM was really dissatisfying since we didn't see her journey getting there.
i feel like while the idea of time jumps was cool doing the large one between s1 and s2 was extremely jarring, s3 and s4 seemed to have learned from that mistake as they pick up a yr after each previous roughly.
@paintingdreams290 It's a shame they hadn't considered that before. A LOT of stuff happened in those 5 years that's kinda just talked about and breezed over (Chesire and Red Arrow having a daughter, Jason Todd being Robin and dying, Garth's mom dying, etc.) It's a shame because I really wanted this show to be the next "X-Men: Evolution." But the growing cast and shifting character focus and timeskips made it hard to stay invested.
@@OpticalSorcerer agreed, they try and remedy it later on, but it defo was confusing to watch and figure out and almost led me to quit the show, before, i didnt
I think you might like taking a look at the Cyborg 009 franchise. I was first introduced to the franchise via the 2002 anime title Cyborg Soldier 009 (but Toonami just ran it as Cyborg 009); and the 2002 anime is considered to be the best adaptation of the series, at least until the CG movies in the 2010s popup, but those movies still use the 2002 anime as their foundation for where the characters are coming from. And something that is kind of fun is that each of the cyborg not only have their own distinct abilities granted to them by what was done to them but also that they each com from different ethnic backgrounds.
And the cyborg known as 008 is actually formerly a freedom fighter from a small African nation that was being exploited by the people in power, and he is also the only one of the cyborgs that had any actual combat experience, other than maybe 002 who was part of a New York gang in the early 1900s, before becoming a cyborg. Each of the cyborg do have actual names, and being known as numbers is in effect dehumanizing, but part of the themes of the core Cyborg 009 series from 2002 is overcoming trauma and reclaiming your sense of identity. At least, that's how I choose to see it, seeing as the main cast interchangeably use their cyborg model numbers and actual names with each other.
Also, I think it's important to spread out what you can get, and Cyborg 009 is superhero adjacent enough for you to probably slide into it all. A word of warning, the history of the 009 franchise has some unintentional undertones in the west due to how black people were portrayed in western media, the mangaka that created the series used that type of art style because he saw it as being a readily available template. I recommend watching a video or two on the history of Cyborg 009 before deciding if you want to actually approach it, and where you would like to start if you decide to use the series as a subject for your videos.
I definitely understand, I was heavily judged growing up in a environment that if you’re black, you have to be a stereotype and not have interests or hobbies outside the norm that doesn’t fit the stereotypes that were placed
Young Justice feels like DC’s Avengers EMH but that somehow focus on the side heroes instead of the main ones of the Justice League and I like it. I remember watching this show with my sister on Friday evenings and miss Martian was our favourite character.
This was a great video! You hit on a lot of great points and nuances of M’ggan’s character that I missed when I watched this. Don’t know if that’s because I was younger when I did or what 😄 but I appreciate her character so much more now because of this video! Makes me want to go back and watch the show again 😊
yo keep up these videos pls you put in so much effort and passion to them. i really like listening to you talk about one of my favorite shows
I'm glad I follow your channel.
I'm older than a lot of your viewers, 58.
I'm black, and I have mild cerebral palsy. I've been into comics since the age of fifteen.
As a kid, I wanted to fit in. Be "normal". It took a lot of work, but I'm cool with who I am.
I can relate a lot to the X-Men to this day. I'm good with who I am, but I still deal with people who don't understand..
Hang in there, man!
Also, I like J'onn J'onzz a lot more than Superman, due to the fact he still has trouble fitting in, unlike Superman.
This is really inspiring, amazing video!
I'm so proud of you for making this video. I know it will resonate with boys/girls and young men/women (and non-binary) from all walks of life. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Great video! I struggled with my accepting my blackness as well growing up. It took me years to get over the self hatred I had about my skin, my hair, my nose. Sucked but I’m happy I got through it
The episode where Artemis d!€d, but not really still breaks me. Is like you had nightmare of your most love one is gone. I mean I know that's the point, but still made me cry😭
I love miss Martian she’s really awesome and badass
I know what I'm listening to at work today
I was not prepared for the emotional journey this took me on. 😭
She's one of the most complex and interesting characters of the series.
Actually just made a custom miss martian action figure cuz this is the best character in the series and dc can't be bothered to take my money properly
Since no one is going to say it, I will… TO ME MY X-MEN
LMAO this made me laugh thanks for this
miss martian has the coolest arc in season 3/4 and ive never seen mind powers taken down that rode with such a profoundly 'sweet' character
My favorite justification of how Megan can exist as a "White Martian" while there is basically no such thing, other than the white drones they faught in JL Unlimited, is that even though she is martian, she is albino, and sue to cultural PTSD from the drones, albinism is heavily stigmatized.
she was written well. didn't agree with a lot of her characteristics, but actually a true, genuine, concrete character
Technically she didn't get the information on Morrow from Ivo. She tried, but Ivo resisted her. It was zatana and her magic that got him to speak quite easily. But everything else I agree with. I love this show. Even the seasons that nobody else liked I quite enjoyed. Because they brought all these characters and made them way more than what they were portrayed before. I hope that there is a season 5 coming along
Season 1 of young justice was peak
Amen to that my friend
While I haven't gone through the same things I know that self hate is a bitch and I'm not sure how but I just let go of it or I realized that it hadn't been there for a while and just live with who I am even if a very small part is still there, it's not as horrible as it used to be, it was bad enough to wear a mask and not be myself (even if that mask is me and what I'd do, it wasn't not who I naturally am)
14:59 it was not Megan that read his mind in this scene it was Zatanna who cast a spell to force him to blurt out ivos location. AWSOME VIDEO BTW
15:51 heard this will doing laundry and i almost broke down
found family will always be my favourite story trope.
This show was so fucking good. I enjoyed season 3 ans 4 (also screaming at Razor showing back up) but season 1 was peak YJ
“I don’t know if you can hear my fan” bro dw you’re so quiet that we can’t hear it 😂
This really is one of the very best animated hero shows I have ever seen. The quality of animation, the sound detail, the storylines, the complexity and relatability of the characters, it was all top notch in my opinion. Possibly a bit "preachy" at times, but still. I was disappointed when it ended.
Hey are you thinking of doing a video on Artemis since she was very interesting to watch I when I was kid but more so know after reading comics and seeing she became a villain there but the show influenced the character so much that when she appeared in the Stargirl show on Max she went from villain to hero
Oh she’s 100% getting a video
@@Venxousmay I recommend checking out the young justice comics for that video? Batman and Green Arrow got the info about the Belle Rev break out because they had Artemis pretend she was arrested and was talking to icicle jr. turns out they were friends (ish) as kids. At the end, Artemis told Green Arrow and Batman that she never wants to do that again.
I loved Miss Martian as well
In the whole “cartoon” of it all they were never going to let the cute girl stay looking like a white Martian, you can’t sell those action figures or backpacks
BUT, it would have been interesting to see her incorporate more of her white Martian features into her green Martian look or when she’s in battle.
When you started talking about being a black guy in the deep south, I grew up being a non-straight white guy in the deep south and while I could hide it by just not saying anything I knew and I also struggled kinda hating myself for not being straight in the deep south. I thank you for opening up with your experiences
This is why I am hoping to get new seasons of this show or at least have it end in a satisfying way
I always liked that she was a girly girl, but still badass. Like typical badass girls are portrayed edgy or tomboy-ish, and if they're not then they're usually badly written.
I always thought the training excersise was to test their perseverance/determination. Would they still fight even against the impossible and how would they react against the mental stress... until it turned to psychological stress.
I love Martian manhunter bro and I love your channel!
On 15:00 it was zatanna who retrieved the info and not zatanna. Great video tho! I love creators who still gets into Young Justice! Love this show (even season 3 lol)
Season 3 was pretty fine, but had some filler episodes or some that got overextended. Still, the second half of the season really delivered
She is the only consistently great written character and I stand by that
i always saw these shows on my tv as a kid but never really watched it. now im invested, where can i watch all of these eps?
HBO max i believe
@ thank u! i love ur vid btw great work
Please do this exactly for Miss Martian again except for which season 2, 3 and 4
The first error that came to my mind was that MM from the rip wouldv train MG to a certain level of understanding human culture specifically the telepathic thing which felt like the writers just ignore that part of MM because hes not stupid to not prepare a martian with the knowledge of dont do certain things on earth but i guess they needed to so she could go through specific arcs in her character
Miss Martian in Young Justice is my favorite Superheroine in DC's history and despite my frustrations with season 3/4 and it getting canceled again i will always treasure the Marriage of Superboy and Miss Martian
I had such a crush on Miss Martian as a kid. I think Megan made me like technicolour alien girls XD
Good morning. I'm fan of miss martian and dc comic. Everyone have great day and next day and week and weekend and next week and full happiness 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊. Great video and keep make great videos and keep make more great videos 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊. I enjoy this video. I'm look forward next video.
As someone who is both special needs and is in the queer community I can completely get behind what you're saying about either one you stay in the closet or feeling uncomfortable with who you are for a while. Ms. M./Migan speaks to so meny. Her coming out scean is a huge first step
*15:00 zatanna got the info. Not Megan
She kind of reminds me of X - Men's Rogue & MAYBE Storm. A LITTLE.
I liked the show tbh, I think the DC animated shows/films are peak.
I just felt like they shouldn't make that much time skips. The whole season 3 confused the sh!!t out of me, like maybe if you know more about other shows yes, but I didn't and was really confused😭
27:54 love your honesty
I can relate Venxous except my demons were more on my inside i was born with a mental disability took til i was 21 to learn it was autism. No matter how hard i tried to hide it it came out so people always treated me like i was inferior to them.
The darkness grew so strong i debated deleting myself because i was always alone and getting bullied. What made me stop a nature documentary on wolves came on. I learned about how they were hunted to near extinction and never gave up. My mind said if only i was that strong i looked into a wolfs eyes on that show. Everything i went through went through my mind from my own bio parents trying to delete me when i was 6 because they felt it would be a mercy. To being always bullied and yet i never gave up. I then said no i piss more people off alive and if i died make too many people happy.
Everytime them demons came back asking me to delete myself. A voice in my head growled then i heard your stronger then this. My wife was full Oglala Sioux she replied all that happened that day she said. That was your spirit animal talking to you and that wolf show awakened it.
17:40 ... I think it was the best episode and I loved the concept
but I think it was inserted into the show a bit clumsily ...mabey if the training was for an actual mission purpose... Like a upcoming mission where they're gonna be completely out of touch from the league ...and they're just running through different possible scenarios and worst cases ... Mabey it wasn't completely needed
This show was so good.
Idk know if it was because of run time or you wanted to cover another video about it and i believeyou mentioned in the SB video. But I'd like a more in depth video upon MM and SB's relationship especially where MM was abusing her telepathy and SB found it to be immoral and she tries to justify it and cause a rift between them
Saving that for when I cover Season 2
@Venxous looking forward to it, also the part where you mentioned about your experience with racism. Idw say I'm sorry because it's overused and it can't undo much but I'm grateful that you not only endured some of the harshness down south but I also appreciate you didn't let that hate change or define who you are.
I also made a long comment on someone else's comment about the topic and my own experience which isn't like anyone else's but all I can say is I sympathize and understand why you relate to characters like MM and the X-men. And I appreciate you making a video about it while injecting your own personal experience relating to these characters
I miss this show!
Can you do a video on Zatanna?
I don't like her character design in young justice s3 and s4, I wish they kept her og season 1 and 2 face design, why they changed artstyle in s3 and s4 artstyle look downgrade than 1 and 2
Love the skyrim music in the background.
They should have kept this going, when D.C does animation it's always good.
I really got Megan as well. The constant negativity of being a black nonbinary person in a primarily white cis area(s) gets overwhelming a lot of the time.
You are seen and heard!
I'm sure the words of a rando on the web (who hasn't lived your life) doesn't mean much but I truly hope you're feeling more comfortable being yourself these day, m8. Here to our true selves. ☕️
Btw I love the art style In young Justine does anyone know the artist or animators name\social media ??
I always loved this Miss Martian and I'm really glad her public persona represents being a white martian now (can't recall what season that started in though).
In season 3 she adopted an appearence akin to Martian Manhunter, but with white skin, and then in season 4 she mixes both looks of white martian and human, and i think that speaks a lot about her growth, she gets to understand both, how she feels in the interior and how she looks in the exterior, she's Megan Morse and she is also M'gan M'orzz, she doesn't feel the need of hiding either aspects of her.
Can you do a zatanna video
Dude, what are you talking about? Young Justice is perfect ❤
I really connected with Miss Martian too when watching the show, like I got the race allegory but as a white man that isn't why, but that feeling of not being able to be your true self and having to hide who you are around the people you love most is a thing anyone can connect too. And in the later seasons I like that she does start going around as a white Martian, and then go back to staying green since even though it's not her natural colour she hid as it for so long that she's just more comfortable in it than her white self. To me that read as somewhat of a trans allegory, identifying with a trait that isn't what your biology would have? That is a bit of a stretch I'll admit.
Trans allegory? Lol, she’s not mentally ill bro.
Is the X-men men evolution lance video coming, this month or next month? Please answer me!
If I had a date in mind I’d say it will definitely get announced but I can’t promise a date unfortunately
@@Venxous Will be looking forward to that video
She's definitely the breakout character of the series and probably the most popular...
Skyrim music!
How can she be untrained or undertrained in the use of her telepathy when she is from a planet, society, and culture consisting solely of telepaths? She would have been using telepathy since birth; every day, I assume telepathy would be part of her schooling like English class is part of schooling in English-speaking nations. Many of her relatives are among the most powerful telepaths on Mars, and she has both of the powers, telepathy, and telekinesis, of the two major races of her planet. She looks to be a teenager, so she would have at least a Martian high school level of telepathic training, which should be much more than any Earth telepath would ever receive.
In Mars they use telepathy as a mean of comunication, not as a weapon to fight. Imagine that there's a world where the vibrations of your voice can be used as a weapon, you would need training to discover how to actually weaponize something you have never thought as such.
@@senorbolainas2991 We live in a world where voice , actually all sound can be used as a weapon and we do, every cruise ship has a sonic canon to use in case of pirates. we use hands to caress and to kill. If an intelligent species has any kind of ability as a matter of course it would follow that they would learn to use it for help and for harm. However that is not my point. My point is that telepathy is an every day thing on Mars used by toddlers to ask for milk. it is not on earth, no earth telepath could possibly be more comfortable with its use and the various ways it can be used than a Martian. Also obviously since she came to the planet already knowing how to use telepathy as a weapon then obviously Martians use it to do more than just communicate. She is also telekinetic most Martians are not, it is something only some white Martians can do so she was already exceptional on mars.
32:37 16 hours
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Miss Martian of Young Justice is an evil sister to Mcomm. The show got cancelled because it’s a terrible tv show.
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