Looking like an Airplane already! Build VLOG #4
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- Опубликовано: 14 ноя 2019
- Super Catch Up episode - coming together almost too FAST!
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In this “Airplane Build Vlog” episode of Flight Chops: We catch up on the summer of work that’s been completed on this Van’s Aircraft RV-14!
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Very cool video. I really enjoy watching a build make progress. Now, I don't mean to "be that guy", but...
From your previous videos, it seemed like YOU were going to be building this airplane. The way it currently seems to be going is you supervising, and occasionally doing a part here and there. Everyone else seems to be doing the work but you. It seems you you are filming other people building your airplane. And even then, only sometimes. But maybe I'm missing the picture, or your videos are not showing what really is going on.
Thanks John - understandable feedback. My situation is pretty unique, and I have been trying to set up the context that this airplane is being built at the museum by a team, of which I am a member.
The film making aspect of covering a project like this is a huge undertaking (this edit for instance took me ~4 full time days), that combined with continuing to create the main stream content on the channel is more than a full time job - if I were to be the main builder, it would take well over 5 years (which is not unreasonable, and that is what many people who work full time do to build a plane on their own with little to no help).
We designed a schedule that would allow us to build the plane in two years, with me there as much as possible.
My goal is to be present for the "mile stone" stages of the build, and to take part in as much of the grunt work as I am able; however, I simply can't be there all the time.
Can you point me to where you got the impression that I was going to be the primary builder? I want to be sure to avoid confusing anyone else if that messaging is making it into these vlogs.
Thanks,
Steve
@@FlightChops I'd need to go back and re-watch all your videos, starting from when you even voiced consideration of this project to give a specific point where I got the impression. However, now that you have cleared things up for me, I see your side of things and it makes more sense. Maybe I just misunderstood you. Whatever. Its a really cool project, and I'd like to see more of it, and see more of you doing the actual building. I guess that would mean someone else would need to do the filming though. Anyway, keep it up. I'm enjoying it.
I thought you were going to be the main builder too, this was quickly dismissed when you didn’t know the difference between a spar and a rib. 😂. Sorry I don’t mean to be harsh but that was kinda funny.
In all seriousness, I hope you and the team have success in this project. It’ll be awesome to follow it along. Good work.
@@jamesaddison81 - yeah... truth is I'm not as hopeless as I appeared in that clip - I was completely fried by the time I realized I should shoot that "vloggy bit" at the end of the day as we were finishing up the counter sinking... I only shot the one take, and decided to go with it because I thought it was funny how clearly tired I was.
@@FlightChops I would love to come up and get hands on with the build! Is there a guest build day coming up?
I love how you were all fussing over the stiffeners and the Mosquito is just looming in the background like the veritable Elephant in the room.
Relative complex assembly process. Prep the parts, cleco the parts, final hole the parts, disassemble, debur the parts, dimple the parts, reassemble the parts, final rivet the parts. Wow. For every hole in the aircraft. Makes pulled rivet construction like a walk in the park.
From total novice, I learned about riveting re-building my C 185 Edo 2960 floats before You Tube. I learned from paper course manuals my Dad had from WW ll , not much has changed ! Used new skills "building" badly damaged Lake Buccaneer converting it to "home built" on Ministers delegate program. Job 1 was to drill out thousands of rivets. I learned the difference between good, bad and ugly ones installed at factory or by shoddy AME work. Never would have used a cordless slow speed drill. Highest quality, high speed air drill and sharp bits were essential for fine control in order not to damage skins or holes. One slip onto new skin, Houston has a big problem ! ! same for rivet gun. Nice light air hose for final few meters. Next was learning how to make custom bucking bars for those impossible spots that make us say bad words. Every town should have a place where us old guys can volunteer in "Plane Saving" or projects like this where you are totally spoiled (read; me jealous) working with new materials. Really enjoy watching this build, my favorite Canadian channel ! Re living my "childhood" !
Congrats on all of the build progress. Came to say the shot at 05:19... That's what it's all about isn't it? A beautiful image of a man inspiring the younger generation. And what better place to do it. Inside of a beautiful hangar. Surrounded by beautiful planes.
Really cool seeing the little snippet from Van’s explaining how they tweak things in their instructions. Make sure to check out their service bulletins too - we already had to address one on our RV-10 for the elevator control stop (SB 18-03-30) while building our tailcone. Was a bit tricky to understand at first since our plane isn’t complete and trying to visualize the problem, but the help desk at Van’s is awesome and did a nice job walking through it with us.
Definitely thanks for that snippet! Now I need to go check the website for any updates for my RV12iS plans!
@@Pantherjonvideos www.vansaircraft.com/service-information-and-revisions/?aircraft=rv-12is&doctype=all
Steve is everywhere: including the new Call of Duty game.
Right?!
Yesss
I helped my father build an RV-6 back in the late 90's when nothing was pre-drilled and the drawings were by hand by Van himself. Then we built a tail and wing kit in 2004 for an RV-10 and sold the kit because I had relocated abroad. Currently building a RV-14. Tail is done. Picking up the fuselage kit at the factory on December 16th. The RV-6 has been flying for nearly 20 years.
With that said, the guys in this video are building this airplane to near perfection. I really like how you showed how to drill out rivets. If you are going to take on a project like this removing rivets is going to happen. NOBODY is going to nail it every time. Your going to make mistakes and your going to have to make decisions on whether you need to order replacement parts or to move on. The Vans forum will be invaluable in this circumstance. Also loved the back riveting bench. Very nice
It was hard to tell from the video if how you were riveting the skins to the ribs on the tail cone. What it appeared to be was rivet gun on the on the outside and bucking bar on the inside. Nothing wrong with that. But we have found that using spring loaded back rivet attachment and the bucking bar on the outside worked really well and felt easier for the the abundance of the rivets. Also less chance of denting the skin. I suspect the guys there know this method but I thought it would be useful for readers.
Anyway, great job and love the FlightChops videos.
How odd, the video I watched before this was about a rescued Elephant orphan. Awesome that you can be part of something supporting the Sheldrick Wildlife Trust!
Considering that it's a constantly evolving project (VAN's work with that airframe) i'm surprised there aren't even more errors. Stuff like that adds up, and managing things is like herding cats. Numbers here, numbers there, you go brain numb inside an hour. Good point on "read each word" as its own.
Kinda reminds me of repair manuals for old machinery, get one ID wrong and you're in a completely different part of the machine asking yourself why is the circuit passing through the hydraulics.
aserta hahaha I have totally done that with wiring diagrams with cars and while reading undocumented code. Hopefully those experiences will come in handy when I build an RV!
Yes please more of these
Very encouraging material.
VAF might not be the official Vans forum... but it’s the best resource for RV builders!
Great video, love the riveting, looks like good fun. Don't worry man, you do what you need to do, this format works absolutely fine to, having the others help with filming. Delegation of work prevents burnouts :)
Read every word indeed. Speaking as one who writes specifications on technical drawings...remember this: Words on technical drawings never get put on there by accident! They all have a purpose.
Riveting stuff! Takes me back to my aero engineering days
I never thought that a feeling of competence would be something within me while watching a FlightChops video. But here we are, basically in a fabrication atmosphere like many others out in the world, performing the redundant work of assembling structures and sub-assemblies until a product is formed. Granted the build quality must be impeccable, but the skills needed, the tools used, and the processes are very similar to other manufacturing production environments. You all even had donuts !
Even on large commercial aircraft we find mistakes in manuals every so often and it just reported back to the manufacturer. Then it’s amended by them.
Makes you better appreciate the process ... a perspective most definitely required before deciding “a build” is something you might want to explore. An also must have - experienced, skilled & knowledgeable good friends.
One of the greatest things about the homebuilding community is that one person can truly do it if he or she wants to. And, you don't actually need to have experienced friends before you start, because once people find out you're building all those experienced people come out of the woodwork to meet you and be part of what you're doing. We all make new friends in this hobby -- and especially after we get started!
Great Vid per usual my friend, brings back great memories of the Stinson 108-3 project at KRIR from 2007-2016. This project helped me and my younger brother get our PVT Pilot Certs. We worked 4 hours every Saturday at Flabob Airport. I sure do miss this, clear skies Steve
Brilliant. Really looking forward to more of these build videos. I love looking at all the details of what is done, the tools used, the problems. Thanks!
Love seeing the progress ! Tungsten bucking bar will make life a little easier when shooting rivets.
They are not cheap but a great tool every sheet metal guy should have. Keep your flush set polished and you’ll cut down on the amount of marks you make on your metal.. Short rivet sets are easier to control and will shoot rivets faster. Sheet metal can frustrating and rewarding .
Good luck! looks like you have great help.
CONGRATULATIONS!! Gerat progress ,and another great video. Thank you
You know Steve, I've had that same picture of the RV-7 hanging round in my view for two decades, and I'm now within five years of starting on my own RV-14. Good to see this and all the other RV14 build logs. One thing we hardly see on any of these vlogs is any info on budget and costs. I know it's a bit of a difficult subject out in public but it would be great to compare your projected costs with mine...
Great idea - I will plan an episode around how we’re managing the budget!
What an AMAZING team!
Good work on the editing. Wow, you are a busy guy. That airplane will be very busy when you get it done!
Keep up the build vlogs! Great motivation to keep moving forward with my own aircraft restoration project!
So we both got foiled by weather; me by wind; you by snow three days later. I did get to see the tail on the fuselage. So much fun catching errors in the plans and other "gotchas". At least Van's works hard with their builders to help as much as possible. I find it fairly easy to forgive them; given the enormity of both designing an aircraft and documenting almost every step for other builders, I think they do a fantastic job, and the marketplace agrees. As for my RV-8, my empennage is completed (with fiberglass), painted and at the hangar. Paint booth is packed for winter and the fuselage is back on the warm side of the shop. The aircraft is level and I'm just beginning to tackle the cowling. Wishing us both luck with both building and flying; hope to reschedule with CH2A before the end of the month.
Yeah man - sorry you didn’t get to fly either, due to that same system.
Excellent video on the riveting process !
Looks like some great progress there! Can't wait unit the day we all see this thing fly - I bet you're thinking the same, Steve! Thanks for the update! 👍🍻
Yes! it is getting real - FAST!
As usual, another Great video Steve!
This video helped me understand the stupid price of a aircraft I appreciate seeing the existence of the project just of this scale of a aircraft amazing
Thanks for sharing, Steve. Really takes the mysticism out of building a riveted airframe!
Static electricity in hair alert!! Another great video, thanks.
a lot on your plate,, kudos to the "team" for their assistance
LOOK AT JASON ELLIS. He has been documenting is RV-10 buid and it has been amazing to watch over the years.
Hi, Flighcops! I believe I know which cub that wing belongs to in Africa. Looking forward to it! Karibu.
Love your videos. I just learned that I could never build my own plan, but enjoy watching you guys do such great work.
Good video! These are fun to watch but don't feel bad for getting it out late. You're a busy dude. Subbies understand
I think your team is paying way more attention to detail that your average factory built aircraft, which results in far superior plane to one you buy off a factory floor. Nice work!
Another way (and my old instructors say better way) to measure the correct bucktail (shop head) of your bucked rivets is to use a hole gauge. Where you drill a hole in a small bent tab of scrap metal with the hole being 1.5x the rivet diameter. For example drill/ream a hole that is .2343" (15/64) for a -5 dia rivet. Then place the gauge over/around the tail, if you have slight drag, you are good. If it doesn't fit, you pancaked it and get to drill it out, if it's loose smash a little more. You can inspect many rivets in a short time just by feel, without needing to try and see if the depth gauge is touching. These hole gauges can be used in low visibility or tight access areas easier. I was taught when you are bucking rivets the main thing is the diameter. As the rules state that a rivet will be 1.5 times the dia. and .65 times dia. high after bucking. (AC43.13-1B Fig. 4-6) We've always gone with as long as you fall within the diameter you are good to go. As we've seen that the height may change ever so slightly, within limits, depending on minor material thickness variations.
Oh, if anyone needs to find the countersink "cage" tool they are using, Look up the full name "microstop cage" or even just microstop will bring up what you need.
Nice Golf R by the way! Sweet ride lol
I am really enjoying these. Thanks
This project is so cool!
Very informative 🌹
Thanks Steve 👍
Been watching Flight Chops for a while now, but just realized he has a striking resemblance to Roddy in Flushed Away.
Damn Steve, you're going to be into test flight by June or July of 2020! You guys are having way too much fun on this, and I'm envious of you all. Wish I could be there to help!
The shophead of a rivet, should be 1.5 X the diameter of the shank of the rivet, past the inner most skin under the shophead. There should be a slight ring of silver, around the countersink head. It would appear that your dimple is slightly too deep, and the shophead of your rivet is just a tad too tall.
On the first test of the button head rivet, you have the perfect shophead. shoot for that on all #30 (1/8" rivets)
Insights appreciated
Great episode--very interesting!
Recommend using a longer stroke rivet gun. 3X at a minimum or 4X. I use a 4X with teasing throttle and no reducing regulator. Been using it on all diameters for 3+ decades. Much better control and results with a longer stroke gun...
The ‘80s music really adds to the mystique for me! Looking good, and excited for all that you’ve put out. I know that it’s awfully time consuming and labour intensive to prepare all of your content for upload, but the effects you’re making on the aviation community cannot be understated.
Greatly appreciated Cam
I know it is very hard to get the videos out but I look forward hopefully as it is winter to the build videos being more in line.
I really like your channel content and wish my channel video quality was even half as good as yours.
That was fascinating. Thanks for posting. I’ve wanted to come out there and see the aircraft you guys have, especially that Mosquito, for ages. Perhaps do a kids video about them too 👍🏻
Thankyou for the update finally
Sorry about the delay
- it's been a challenging season (in a mostly good way :)
I enjoy the non-face shots with narration.
looks good!
Good stuff Steve !
Very interesting! Thanks Steve
I enjoy your videos. I learned something!
When you get that rv complete and ready for paint bring it on down to Hayes Aviation and we will paint it for you.
Can you email to discuss further? I’d love to work with a great paint shop and share that process! Flightchops at gmail dot com
@@FlightChops you can check us out on our website also Hayes aviation.com we are located in Akron colorado
Ahhhhh riveting that is a great skill to learn. I got to be on the rivet gun reskinning a Harvard rear fuselage. Ex-RNZAF NZ1040 MK IIA which is now flying in Queensland Australia.
4:35, Perry has an eye for photography, lol
Haha - yeah - he has the GoPro backward that first time he tried to use it alone (thinking the lens was a view finder :) and I thought it was funny :P
So does Vans send you the 15 old guys with 12 centuries of combined knowledge ? Lol
They're only included if you enter coupon code "BURFECT" on the checkout page.
That was a riveting video.... :) More please
You're lucky you have a grew of guys who build planes together
Definitely get back-riveting tape. The middle part that gets smashed by the rivet is non-sticky. way easier to use ;)
Do you ever look back to when you started and thing "Good Lord, how did this happen?" lol Great catch up video.
Yes. It’s nuts. It’s been a grind to not miss publishing an episode every ~2 weeks for 6 years, but it’s been worth it!
@@FlightChops I guarantee you that I'm not the only one that appreciates it. All I've ever made is a timelapse or simple cell phone video. Those are comparatively easy. Storyboarding, editing, etc... that's the work (placing cameras is bound to be a challenge too but I have only worked with one DSLR at a time with my time lapses). I'd like to see all 282k subs click the like button :o)
Awesome, Steve! I enjoyed this episode very much, especially working on my own airplane at the moment! And -yes-, it's hard to do work and trying to make enjoyable vlogs, I struggle with the same. What do you think of my last two vlogs? Keep up the good work! 👍🏻
Looks sweet, and actually I was kind of hoping for a montage of the build...we're starting the Excalibur first of the year.
Can't wait for the Kenya episodes
Nice, we're building an RV-12is at my school
A lot of coincidences for me on this video. I'm from originally form Boone, Iowa, home of Cleaveland Aircraft Tool, maker of the rivet gauge tool featured at 13:13. There is a shop at the local airport called W&C Aircraft Works that provides space and support for RV builders and is affiliated with Cleaveland. My Grandpa was a B-17 pilot in WWII and was heavily involved with the local airport. I have fond memories of going to the FBO with by Grandpa and listening to guys likes the ones in this video talking shop about their RV builds.They host an RV fly-in every summer (I think June). It would be awesome if you could make it when the -14 is done! I was hesitant to post since this video is a few months old, but then I realized that you dropped it on Nov 15, which is two days after my birthday and the 7th anniversary of my Grandpa's passing. I don't know how I missed this until now. Keep up the great content FlightChops!
I try to make evergreen content, so even "old" videos hopefully remain relevant for along time - glad this one resonated with you!
Awesome stuff. Would love to come by and help (or just say hi) if you're not done when my wife and I come up to Windsor next year.
Props to Greg Hughes for taking notice of the misprint found by @FlightChops & Crew and making the appropriate corrections! ..."You have to admit, it's getting better. A little better, all the time..."
Amazing guy amazing vdeio
So many rivets!!!
And most of them are flush rivets!
This looks so fun. I wish I could help. ( cough, cough. I'm in Windsor ) : )
Hey man - right on - we're always happy to have help if you wanna visit :)
*"Clecos* - *Я* - *Us"* *!!!*
huh interesting to see a total different way of drilling out a rivet. i learned it different from my teacher at school, he told us to drill a hole partially and then brake the top of the rivet and then punched the remaining stuff of it out with a punch but you guys drill till it breaks of of its own wouldnt that destroy the sheet metal way faster.
Its really cool to such a build come together
I screwed up on the third rivet. Won't be your last. That plane is looking clean.
Right on thanks - can you email me to discuss your project? Flightchops at gmail dot com
I got the 1700th Like! Coolness!
Man, these Vlogs are really inspiring. Where would you point someone looking to build way into the future?
Happy to inspire! But can you clarify the question? I am not sure I understand exactly what you are asking
Start now ! Unless you have 20 old friends, completion will be "Way into the future" :)
Look to the EAA..... and visit Oshkosh for Airventure. All the info and resources you could ever want. And inspiring too......
Tim Hortons!!!! The best.
Like how the guy at Vans is using his calculus and AutoCAD books as stands for the computer monitors.
I always assumed when you have complex instructions for a product like this, you'd have a team to through and build the product word for word from the instructions to find errors, before releasing the product. I guess errors could still slip through.
The other issue is the ongoing revisions of parts, and potentially even the instructions themselves - it really is an on going process to keep everything up to date and in sync.
FlightChops Seems like Van's has an awesome support team and are doing a great job at providing updates. Maybe they could include a big disclaimer at the beginning of the instructions to check their site for the updated plans and if you find an error.
Dude, You look like captain price from Call of duty. I have no flipping clue why I think this but you do.
haha - a lotta people think that - do you mind removing the F-Bomb from the comment though? it's a family friendly channel :)
@@FlightChops Fixed
Buck it!
Have you by chance had everyone working on the project keeping track of their hours spent building? That what when it's done you can know how many man hours went into the project.
Hi Flight Chips,
I’ve been researching the possibility of my own RV build in the future. I work for a major defense contractor in aircraft manufacturing, so luckily I have some of the skill set that would be required to pursue this opportunity. My question is a bit different: where do you get all of the Clecos and tools required for these builds? Are they part of some kit, does somebody you know lend them to you, or are you forking additional costs on this, and if so could you disclose approximately how much extra this is running?
8:55 what books are really good for in 2019
Drill slower when you are drilling metal, you are just roasting the bit.
Thnx
That's not good advice and just isn't true. You drill at the appropriate speed for the bit size and the material. This concept is known as "speeds and feeds" and the main value you're concerned with is "surface feet per minute."
For soft materials and small bits, you want high RPM. You'd want slower RPM for a large bit in steel, on the other hand. This link ought to get you going, but you can find this information other places, too, one of the best of which is Machinery's Handbook:
www.vikingdrill.com/viking-Drill-FeedandSpeed.php
I think Clint is referring to when you are drilling out rivet heads. Go slow and careful on these so you stay in the center and don't enlargen the rivet hole. You will likely get lots of practice at this. We all do.
HSS (High Speed Steel) drill bits doesn't mean High Speed :)
@@psalys Agreed. Glad someone else mentioned it.
Why couldn't you use a spacer made of hardened material (Incompressible) that would go around the rivet so you could only mushroom the head to the required max? It would be like a washer that has a diameter allowing circumference space for the mushroomed head. I'm assuming there is a reason since no one does this. Just seems like a simple way to create consistency.
Can you log hours towards an A&P License?
What material are the rivets made of?
This is why I'm gonna build an EZ....composites for LIFE!
How is your lung doing with all the fiberglass dust ;)
So Actually there was a book for part so you could make aircraft yourself?.....May i know how much that cost?....As well did it included engine and detail of interior?
form malaysia but wish to fly high in the sky yet wallet had me denied
Its interesting to see how you guys approach problems and your techniques for preventing damage. I work on 737's and some your processes I've never seen before. I do believe however, your countersinks on the wing spar are too deep. The rivet should be perfect flush or a tiny bit deeper than flush with on about a half millimeter shiny ring around it. If you are using reduced head counter skins, typically identifiable by a raised dome in the middle of the rivet and a smaller head (part number, bacr15ce____ or bacr 15gf____ I'm not sure if there is an AN, MS or NAS part number for then) it's a okay to go a little bit deeper because the head swells more to fill the countersink
But those countersinks are not for the rivet heads. They are for the dimples in the skin plate and the rivets go on top of that. Imho, showing a rivet in a place where it doesn't actually belong is misleading.
@@juhakettunen7971 ah thanks for clearing that up
Africa🙌🙌🙌
Omg its captain price
Hello from Scotland 🏴 🇬🇧
If you would like any small electronics/electrical assemblies or wiring please let me know and I will make them for you and send them over, even just wiring looms let me know 👍
Anything you need just let me know
Hey - thanks for that Grant! Can you email me with more info and I can file your details? I'd also like to get o Scotland to see what flying there is like! Flightchops at gmail dot com