Did the Deacons Include Women? 1 Timothy 3:8-13, Part 1

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  • Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
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  • @jesse65847
    @jesse65847 2 месяца назад +17

    I lean toward only men as deacons and here's why.
    1) In Acts 6, which Piper points out as being the first deacons, it says choose 7 men of good repute. The Greek word there for men means specifically males.
    2) The mention of women in the deacon section does have a parallel in the elders section. It corresponds to the part about managing your household well. The godly character of the wife shows the man is managing well, just as in the elders section the submissive child shows the man is managing well.
    3) The verse directly after the wives/women verse goes back to talking about the qualifications for men. It seems unnatural for it to be back and forth between qualifications for male deacons/female deacons/male deacons. Makes more sense that it is all for male deacons.
    4) I would argue that the assignment of deacons is in fact one of authority, albeit not doctrinal authority. They are in charge of keeping the church finances and distributing to those who have need. They would likely be in charge of other people assisting in carrying out the duties.
    5) The mention of Phoebe as a deacon of the church at Cenchreae is not strong evidence. Piper already showed at the beginning of the video that it is used for people who do not hold the office or deacon.
    All that said, I am a member of a church with female deacons. I don't personally see this as an essential belief that you must hold to be saved, but I do think it matters in displaying God's created order. If you made it this far, thanks for listening.

  • @zeke28
    @zeke28 Месяц назад +2

    I'm feeling very unworthy and I'm struggling with lustful thoughts. If anyone reads this, would you pray for me?

  • @pparks8776
    @pparks8776 2 месяца назад +2

    The last few seconds of this explanation is the most distinctive aspects in the differences between Deacons and Elders. I belonged to a church that used the title of Deacon and Elder synonymously. Therefore they became unnecessarily offended and judgemental, when they heard of churches having female Deacons.

  • @angelawhite2784
    @angelawhite2784 2 месяца назад +9

    I believe the Bible is speaking of the wife's of the deacon

  • @krisk1867
    @krisk1867 2 месяца назад +1

    Thanks Pastor John. You do such a good job of breaking things down. Very helpful!

  • @stephaniecollins6205
    @stephaniecollins6205 2 месяца назад +1

    Thank you! This was a clear explanation. I understand the role better now. God bless this ministry. 🙏🏾

  • @PaulLee-rs8uw
    @PaulLee-rs8uw 2 месяца назад +4

    Exodus 36:31-34 of Exodus 35:30-36:38( Construction 😊❤
    of the Tabernacle😊❤)
    Exodus 36:31-34
    "31 He(😊❤)
    made bars of acacia wood, five for the frames of the one side of the tabernacle(😊❤),
    32 and five bars for the frames of the other side of the tabernacle(😊❤), and five bars for the frames of tabernacle(😊❤) at the rear westward(😊❤).
    33 And he(😊❤) made the made the middle bar to run from end to end halfway up for the frames.
    34 And he overlaid the frames with gold, and made their rings of gold for holders for the bars, and overlaid the bars with gold."( Exodus 36:31-34 ESV Study Bible) and Roman 8:28😊❤ in Christ(😊❤).
    Proverbs 17:17
    "17 A friend(😊❤) loves(❤😊) at all(😊❤)
    times(😊❤), and a brother(😊❤) is born(😊❤) for adversity." ( Proverbs 17:17 ESV Study Bible😊❤. Do you also see God(😊100%❤'s) for His people😊❤ in Christ😊❤.
    Proverbs 17:17😊❤ ( Ot) 😊❤
    Now goes to John 15:15😊❤ Under the context of John 15:1-17( I am the True( Jesus😊1st❤) Vine( Jesus😊1st❤))
    John 15:15
    "15 No longer do I call you servants(😊❤'s),for the servant does not know what his master( God😊100%❤ or Jesus😊1st❤, to Jesus😊1st❤ is my master(😊1st❤) under God(😊100%❤) too in Christ😊❤
    ) is doing; but(😊❤)
    I have called (😊❤) you( 😊❤'s) friends(😊❤'s), ( You might ask why? Or How come? ) for(because😊❤) all that I have(😊❤) heard(😊❤) from my Father( God😊100%❤ our Father in heaven😊❤) I have (😊❤) made(😊❤) known( 😊❤) to you. "( John 15:15 ESV Study Bible and all parenthesis parts and symbols in Christ also for(😊❤)
    and in(😊❤)
    Christ Jesus😊1st❤ in Christ(😊❤).
    Hope to plan a trip in the future with my wife to PA(😊❤) again in Christ. Not yet finalize yet but my wife(😊❤) in Christ already planning ahead in Christ. I need to work harder😊❤ In Christ Jesus (😊1st❤) in Christ.
    We might also bring our mom(😊❤) too in Christ too. More people(😊❤'s)
    more fun(😊❤)
    in Christ ( Jesus😊1st❤) in Christ.

    • @PaulLee-rs8uw
      @PaulLee-rs8uw 2 месяца назад +3

      Luke 12:49-53(
      Not peace , but division)
      "49 "I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that is were already kindled!
      50 I have a baptism(😊❤) to be baptized(😊❤) with(😊❤), and how great is my distress until it is accomplished!
      51 Do you think that I have come to give peace(😊❤) on earth?
      No, I tell you, but rather division.
      52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three."( Luke 12:49-52 ESV Study Bible so far in Christ.
      ( This sounds familiar to me when it said in Luke 12:52
      "52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three."( Luke 12:52 ESV Study Bible) let resume back to what God's words😊❤ said in Christ in Luke 12:53 "53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in- law." "( Luke 12:53 ESV Study Bible and above all in all meant to share Luke 12:49-53 ESV Study Bible and remember we choose Jesus😊1st❤ and follow and trust in Jesus(😊1st❤) and trust in John 14:6😊❤ in Christ😊❤
      and not reject him( Jesus😊1st❤). For we choose Jesus and follow him( Jesus😊1st❤) and put our faith( trust) in him ( John 14:6😊❤) for Jesus😊1st❤'s peace( John 14:27😊❤) in Christ Jesus( 😊1st❤) in Christ.
      My aunt's place has 3 people and my wife and I are two people in Christ . That makes it 5 people altogether in Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) now in Christ.
      How many people in your own family in Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) too?
      Choose Jesus(😊1st❤) and follow him( Jesus😊1st❤ John 14:6😊❤) in Christ.
      Hebrews 13:8(😊1st❤)
      Luke 2:1-7( The birth (😊❤)
      of Jesus Christ(😊1st❤))
      "2 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.
      2 This was the first registeration when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
      3 And all went to be registered, each to his own town.
      4 And Joseph (😊❤) also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth(😊❤), to Judea(😊❤), to the city of David(😊❤), which is called Bethlehem(😊❤), because he( Joseph😊❤)
      was of the house(😊❤)
      and lineage(😊❤ of David(😊❤),
      5 to be registered with Mary(😊❤), his betrothed, who was with a child.6 And while they were there, the time camem for her to give birth.
      7 And she( Mary) gave birth to her firstborn and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him Jesus😊1st❤)
      in a manger, because there was no place for them(😊❤,😊❤,😊1st❤) in the inn."( Luke 2:1-7 ESV Study Bible . All parenthesis parts and symbols in Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) also for (😊❤) and in(😊❤) Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) in Christ(😊❤)

  • @PaulLee-rs8uw
    @PaulLee-rs8uw 2 месяца назад +4

    1 Timothy 3:8-13( Qualifications of Deacons) 😊❤said❤ in Christ 😊❤ is corrected😊❤ from the Bible😊❤.
    Luke 1:67-80( Zechariah😊❤'s prophecy)
    "67 And his ( John😊❤ the Baptist😊❤'s) father Zechariah(😊❤) was filled with the Holy Spirit(😊❤) and prophesied, saying,
    68
    "Blesses be the Lord God(😊❤) of Israel(😊❤), for he has visited and redeemedbhis people(😊❤)
    69 and has raised up a horn of salvation(😊❤) for us(😊❤'s) in the house of his servant(😊❤) David(😊❤),
    70 as he spoke by the mouth of his holy(😊❤)
    prophets(😊❤'s) from the old,
    71 that we should be saved from our enemies and from the hand of all who hate us;
    72 to show the mercy(😊❤) promised(😊❤)to our(😊❤'s)
    fathers( 😊❤'s)
    and to remember(😊❤) his(😊❤)
    holy(😊❤) covenant(😊❤),
    73 the oath that he swore to our father Abraham(😊❤), to grant us(😊❤'s)
    74 that we, being delivered from the hand of our enemies, might serve him(😊❤) without(😊❤) fear,
    75 in holiness(😊❤) and righteousness(😊❤) before him all our days.
    76 And you, child be called the prophet of the Most High(😊❤); for you( 😊❤) will go before the Lord( Jesus😊1st❤ our Lord in Christ) to prepare his( Jesus😊1st❤'s) ways.
    77 to give knowledge( 😊❤)
    of salvation(😊❤)
    to his people(😊❤'s)
    in the forgiveness(😊❤) of
    their sins.
    78 because of the tender(😊❤)
    mercy(😊❤)
    of our God( God😊100%❤ our Father in heaven) whereby the sunrise shall visit us from on high
    79 to give(😊❤)
    light(😊❤)
    to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death,
    ( you might ask to do what? )
    to(😊❤)
    guide(😊❤) our(😊❤'s ) feet(😊❤'s) into the way(😊1st❤)
    of peace(😊❤)."
    80 And the child( " child" equals John😊❤ the Baptist😊❤
    ) grew(😊❤) and became(😊❤) strong (😊❤) in Spirit(😊❤), and he(John❤) was in the wilderness until the day of his( John 😊❤ the Baptist😊❤'s) public appearance(😊❤) to Israel(😊❤)."(
    ( Luke 1:67-80 ESV Study Bible)
    John 14:6😊❤
    " 6 Jesus(😊1st❤) answered,
    " I am
    the way( Jesus😊1st❤)
    and
    the truth ( Jesus😊1st❤)
    and
    the life( Jesus😊1st❤).
    No one
    comes
    to the Father( God
    😊100%❤
    , our Father in heaven )
    except
    through me."( John 14:6😊❤ Zondervan NIV Study Bible.Amen in Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) in Christ😊❤ and Hebrew 8:1-13( Jesus😊1st❤ high priest of a better Covenant😊❤)
    Preparation😊❤ in Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) for the way(Jesus😊1st❤ John 14:6 😊❤) in Christ( 😊1st❤).
    John 14:6😊❤
    " 6 Jesus(😊1st❤) answered,
    " I am
    the way( Jesus😊1st❤)
    and
    the truth ( Jesus😊1st❤)
    and
    the life( Jesus😊1st❤).
    No one
    comes
    to the Father( God
    😊100%❤
    , our Father in heaven )
    except
    through me."( John 14:6😊❤ Zondervan NIV Study Bible.Amen in Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) in Christ😊❤. Love to eat God's words😊❤ from the Bible😊❤ in Christ.
    Luke 2:1-7( The birth (😊❤)
    of Jesus Christ(😊1st❤))
    "2 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.
    2 This was the first registeration when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
    3 And all went to be registered, each to his own town.
    4 And Joseph (😊❤) also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth(😊❤), to Judea(😊❤), to the city of David(😊❤), which is called Bethlehem(😊❤), because he( Joseph😊❤)
    was of the house(😊❤)
    and lineage(😊❤ of David(😊❤),
    5 to be registered with Mary(😊❤), his betrothed, who was with a child.6 And while they were there, the time camem for her to give birth.
    7 And she( Mary) gave birth to her firstborn and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him Jesus😊1st❤)
    in a manger, because there was no place for them(😊❤,😊❤,😊1st❤) in the inn."( Luke 2:1-7 ESV Study Bible . All parenthesis parts and symbols in Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) also for (😊❤) and in(😊❤) Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) in Christ(😊❤)

  • @5PointThomas
    @5PointThomas 2 месяца назад +3

    With all the respect in the word towards you, look at verse 12! and verse 11 in the KJV says wives: Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

  • @BarbaraBrown-og7mz
    @BarbaraBrown-og7mz 2 месяца назад +2

    When I see the structure of the Church Paul was setting up with Pastors and Deacons, I am reminded of the God Ordained pattern for service to Him revealed in the Torah. Aaron and his direct descendants were the Priests and the remaining descendants of Levi were the general workers (priests helpers/deacons) in the Tent and later the Temple. Pastors and Deacons, Priests and Levites - Paul just followed the pattern God gave to Moses.

  • @angelawhite2784
    @angelawhite2784 2 месяца назад +2

    I believe We would never have to speculate what the Word of God is trying to say. It says men and it would have said women of that's what he meant. Deacon is an appointed office but we all are servants of God. 🙏

  • @PaulLee-rs8uw
    @PaulLee-rs8uw 2 месяца назад +4

    John 14:6😊❤
    " 6 Jesus(😊1st❤) answered,
    " I am
    the way( Jesus😊1st❤)
    and
    the truth ( Jesus😊1st❤)
    and
    the life( Jesus😊1st❤).
    No one
    comes
    to the Father( God
    😊100%❤
    , our Father in heaven )
    except
    through me."( John 14:6😊❤ Zondervan NIV Study Bible.Amen in Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) in Christ😊❤.
    Luke 2:1-7( The birth (😊❤)
    of Jesus Christ(😊1st❤))
    "2 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.
    2 This was the first registeration when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
    3 And all went to be registered, each to his own town.
    4 And Joseph (😊❤) also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth(😊❤), to Judea(😊❤), to the city of David(😊❤), which is called Bethlehem(😊❤), because he( Joseph😊❤)
    was of the house(😊❤)
    and lineage(😊❤ of David(😊❤),
    5 to be registered with Mary(😊❤), his betrothed, who was with a child.6 And while they were there, the time camem for her to give birth.
    7 And she( Mary) gave birth to her firstborn and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him Jesus😊1st❤)
    in a manger, because there was no place for them(😊❤,😊❤,😊1st❤) in the inn."( Luke 2:1-7 ESV Study Bible . All parenthesis parts and symbols in Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) also for (😊❤) and in(😊❤) Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) in Christ(😊❤)

    • @PaulLee-rs8uw
      @PaulLee-rs8uw 2 месяца назад +3

      Exodus 36:31-34 of Exodus 35:30-36:38( Construction 😊❤
      of the Tabernacle😊❤)
      Exodus 36:31-34
      "31 He(😊❤)
      made bars of acacia wood, five for the frames of the one side of the tabernacle(😊❤),
      32 and five bars for the frames of the other side of the tabernacle(😊❤), and five bars for the frames of tabernacle(😊❤) at the rear westward(😊❤).
      33 And he(😊❤) made the made the middle bar to run from end to end halfway up for the frames.
      34 And he overlaid the frames with gold, and made their rings of gold for holders for the bars, and overlaid the bars with gold."( Exodus 36:31-34 ESV Study Bible) and Roman 8:28😊❤ in Christ(😊❤).

    • @PaulLee-rs8uw
      @PaulLee-rs8uw 2 месяца назад +3

      Exodus 36:31-34 of Exodus 35:30-36:38( Construction 😊❤
      of the Tabernacle😊❤)
      Exodus 36:31-34
      "31 He(😊❤)
      made bars of acacia wood, five for the frames of the one side of the tabernacle(😊❤),
      32 and five bars for the frames of the other side of the tabernacle(😊❤), and five bars for the frames of tabernacle(😊❤) at the rear westward(😊❤).
      33 And he(😊❤) made the made the middle bar to run from end to end halfway up for the frames.
      34 And he overlaid the frames with gold, and made their rings of gold for holders for the bars, and overlaid the bars with gold."( Exodus 36:31-34 ESV Study Bible) and Roman 8:28😊❤ in Christ(😊❤).
      Proverbs 17:17
      "17 A friend(😊❤) loves(❤😊) at all(😊❤)
      times(😊❤), and a brother(😊❤) is born(😊❤) for adversity." ( Proverbs 17:17 ESV Study Bible😊❤. Do you also see God(😊100%❤'s) for His people😊❤ in Christ😊❤.
      Proverbs 17:17😊❤ ( Ot) 😊❤
      Now goes to John 15:15😊❤ Under the context of John 15:1-17( I am the True( Jesus😊1st❤) Vine( Jesus😊1st❤))
      John 15:15
      "15 No longer do I call you servants(😊❤'s),for the servant does not know what his master( God😊100%❤ or Jesus😊1st❤, to Jesus😊1st❤ is my master(😊1st❤) under God(😊100%❤) too in Christ😊❤
      ) is doing; but(😊❤)
      I have called (😊❤) you( 😊❤'s) friends(😊❤'s), ( You might ask why? Or How come? ) for(because😊❤) all that I have(😊❤) heard(😊❤) from my Father( God😊100%❤ our Father in heaven😊❤) I have (😊❤) made(😊❤) known( 😊❤) to you. "( John 15:15 ESV Study Bible and all parenthesis parts and symbols in Christ also for(😊❤)
      and in(😊❤)
      Christ Jesus😊1st❤ in Christ(😊❤).
      Hope to plan a trip in the future with my wife to PA(😊❤) again in Christ. Not yet finalize yet but my wife(😊❤) in Christ already planning ahead in Christ. I need to work harder😊❤ In Christ Jesus (😊1st❤) in Christ.
      We might also bring our mom(😊❤) too in Christ too. More people(😊❤'s)
      more fun(😊❤)
      in Christ ( Jesus😊1st❤) in Christ.

    • @PaulLee-rs8uw
      @PaulLee-rs8uw 2 месяца назад +3

      This is what the Bible😊❤ said❤ in Luke 12:49-53( or what God's words😊❤ said in Luke 12:49-53(
      Not peace , but division)
      "49 "I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that is were already kindled!
      50 I have a baptism(😊❤) to be baptized(😊❤) with(😊❤), and how great is my distress until it is accomplished!
      51 Do you think that I have come to give peace(😊❤) on earth?
      No, I tell you, but rather division.
      52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three."( Luke 12:49-52 ESV Study Bible so far in Christ.
      Luke 12:52
      "52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three."( Luke 12:52 ESV Study Bible) let resume back to what God's words😊❤ said in Christ in Luke 12:53 "53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in- law." "( Luke 12:53 ESV Study Bible and above all in all meant to share Luke 12:49-53 ESV Study Bible and remember we choose Jesus😊1st❤ and follow and trust in Jesus(😊1st❤) and trust in John 14:6😊❤ in Christ😊❤
      and not reject him( Jesus😊1st❤). For we choose Jesus and follow him( Jesus😊1st❤) and put our faith( trust) in him ( John 14:6😊❤) for Jesus😊1st❤'s peace( John 14:27😊❤) in Christ Jesus( 😊1st❤) in Christ.
      Choose Jesus(😊1st❤) and follow him( Jesus😊1st❤ John 14:6😊❤) in Christ.
      Hebrews 13:8(😊1st❤)

  • @TheCreepypro
    @TheCreepypro 2 месяца назад

    help us Lord to understand and know Your word so we can apply it well!

  • @abrm31222
    @abrm31222 2 месяца назад +1

    Thanks Pastor 🎉❤🙏

  • @PaulLee-rs8uw
    @PaulLee-rs8uw 2 месяца назад +2

    Romans 8:28😊❤.
    Exodus 37:1-3 of
    Exodus 37:1-9(Making the Ark)
    "37 " Bezalel(😊❤) made the ark of Acacia wood. Two cubits and a half was its length, a cubit and a half its breadth, and a cubit and a half its height.
    2 And he overlaid it with pure gold inside and outside, and made a molding of gold around it.
    3 And he( Bezalel😊❤)
    cast for it four rings of gold for it four feet, two rings on its one side and two rings on its other side."( Exodus 37:1-3 of Exodus 37:1-9(Making the Ark) and Romans😊❤ in Christ( Jesus😊1st❤).

    • @PaulLee-rs8uw
      @PaulLee-rs8uw 2 месяца назад +2

      Luke 2:1-7( The birth (😊❤)
      of Jesus Christ(😊1st❤))
      "2 In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.
      2 This was the first registeration when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
      3 And all went to be registered, each to his own town.
      4 And Joseph (😊❤) also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth(😊❤), to Judea(😊❤), to the city of David(😊❤), which is called Bethlehem(😊❤), because he( Joseph😊❤)
      was of the house(😊❤)
      and lineage(😊❤ of David(😊❤),
      5 to be registered with Mary(😊❤), his betrothed, who was with a child.6 And while they were there, the time camem for her to give birth.
      7 And she( Mary) gave birth to her firstborn and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him Jesus😊1st❤)
      in a manger, because there was no place for them(😊❤,😊❤,😊1st❤) in the inn."( Luke 2:1-7 ESV Study Bible . All parenthesis parts and symbols in Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) also for (😊❤) and in(😊❤) Christ Jesus(😊1st❤) in Christ(😊❤)
      Happy birthday to my Lord(Jesus😊1st❤) and my savior (Jesus😊1st❤) that is Jesus(😊1st❤)
      in Christ Jesus(😊1st❤)
      Luke 2:11
      "11 For to you is born this day in the city(😊❤) of David(😊❤), a savior( Jesus😊1st❤), who is Christ( Jesus😊1st❤) the Lord(Jesus😊1st❤)."( Luke 2:11 ESV Study Bible)

  • @barryallen119
    @barryallen119 Месяц назад +1

    How can a woman be "husband of one wife"? If women can be deacons, why do the qualifications differ for male and female? It doesnt make sense.
    In Acts 6 only men were chosen by the Apostles to be Deacons.

  • @ilovemysweeties
    @ilovemysweeties 2 месяца назад +3

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