Transference P1: Is the Kurzweil Forte, K2700 & PC4/7 a Montage or Kronos killer?
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Well, does it matter? They are all great instruments, the Kurzweils does have some advantages. The Forte has 16 GB flash memory and some nice sound design tricks like modulating the sample start point. You can edit the Forte like a modular synth - limitless.
In this video I showcase my library, transferred sounds from my PC to the Forte. In part 2 I show how to go about it and convert your own Ni Kontakt sounds.
A part of my library sounds are now available through my Patreon account:
www.patreon.co...
Incredible sound and great improvisation!!
Thank you!
Kurzweil need you to promote this beast amazing how your ports bring it to another level
I don't think they can afford me :-)
@@inside_joke haha how much would you charge for packages of your library I’d be interested I have some but you have others you haven’t ported across
@@hd24alesi Patreons can make a suggestion or two, always happy to oblige as long it's a reasonable time effort!
Thanks man,help me a lot to choose
Great!
Hooked to your 12:35 riff, sound also
KURZ is a solid made and high professional tool.
Be happy to know the secret :-)
Great job!
Thanks
I’ll subscribe I don’t have enough time to sample these days due lots of projects I’m on but your Rhodes port was awesome
Happy you appreciate the Rhodes port, thanks
Great port of Grandeur nice and warm you got the Kurz purring haha
I guess the next generation of stage pianos will be VST host just like a MIDI keyboard attached to computer. That way, the possibilities of sounds will be unlimitted.
the additional display of the Forte is nice, is this real? What is it?
The sounds of this guy are very interesting - I am looking for a mono compatible piano sound for the stage for Kurzweil Forte - is there any thing planned?
These are some excellent sounds. Do you have any info on how you put them together? I am curious what you chose in terms of sample length, steps, velocity layers, how you loop the samples, and what kind of programming you do in the kurz.
edit: watching P2 now!!!
great video. Thank you so much! Has the SYSEX BUG been fixed?
Hi/ Hoi Hendrik, i was not aware of a sysex bug, but check out the Forte forum: forums.godlike.com.au/index.php
We see plenty of the biggest stars / bands playing with Kronos, and K2000 series, but I’ve yet to see a single Forte on stage.
Any opinions why / happy to be corrected..?
I’ve only an old SP4, and gave up waiting for an affordable Forte to appear so put down $2000 (AUD) on Roland Fantom G8 that I’ve midi’ed to my old FA-07 to access its Supernatural sounds.
Legit point. Well, I think Kurzweil should just do better Marketing.
Can you put Kronos through your work flow? Especially....Italian piano.
Any instrument can be translated- i would need the instrument at hand to do so to do it properly.
Hi newbie here. I own a PC4 SE. What does it mean it doesn't have sample memory? What are the limitations? Can I still upload sounds I found on line?
Hi, the PC4SE is a powerful instrument as well, you have 2GB flashram to load in sounds- you can even load in my sounds in .For (Forte format). Check out my page a Patreon for freebies
@@inside_jokeHey thanks for you reply... RUclips did not let me know about your answer and I found it revisiting your video. Since my PC4SE is sample memory excluded I thought I couldn't add any kind of external sounds, but there are some sounds ( the formats allowed by Kurzweil)l that I can really use.
I really like the cfx and c7 pianos in the YC of Yamaha. Is there a way to have them on my PC4SE or Do I have to upgrade to a regular PC4 or k2700.
By the way I am blown away for all your knowledge. Most of the time as I read your description I did not know what you were talking about. Thanks for takinthe time to share it.
@@angelmirmartinez9096 Thank-you, although the PC4se is a great instrument an upgrade to a PC4 (or maybay the upcoming K2061/88) will give you 'a world' of extra sounds. Mabay you can trade you SE in at a music store - sometimes you can make a good deal. With the Flashram you will not be able to get those fancy pianos.
@@inside_joke It is good to know that there is a way to have those piano sounds. Upgrading doesn't seem soon for me. There is no trade in where I live and I think K2088 will be almost as heavy as a K 2700. If I manage to do it I will ask you how to get them. Thanks.
I bought a Kurzweil PC4 this year. It has been sitting for months because every time I use it to design a patch from a blank initiated program, or just go through the presets the operating system corrupts and the machine must be turned off and back on. I lost the very first patch I created by this operating system. I spent months trying to design the perfect acoustic piano, but the string resonance control acts more like a filter than resonance. I bought 2 pedals and two expression pedals for it to have a soft piano pedal, but it doesn't sound like a soft piano. The half damper pedal has such a short range it is difficult to use. Please let me know if anyone else is sound designing from a blank with the PC4 and having system lockups. I have 16 other analog, digital, and workstation synths, plus a hundred other synths over the last 56 years of playing keyboards....NONE....ever had an operating system this corruptible. The display is so small and the fonts so small attempting to design a patch is a pain in the a**. I can't believe paying $2500.00 for keyboard gets me this!
Sounds really annoying, in the Kurz Forte there is a 'hard reset option', tried that? Because of the cumulative nature of Kurz system, it has some quirks, but I don't recognize the misery you have with the PC4. Anyway, good luck and if the problems endure, I would not waste any more time!
Next to the Kawai mp7se, that piano sound has got to be very apealing. Id take a kurzweil over the kronos just due to the kronos having the slowest start time
I own a kawai mp7se though its heavy, its a very intuitive instrument and a joy to play and issues in my keybed have been non existent i have been considering making a switch from the mp7se to the pc4. Not sure if that would be a wise idea. The kawais SK line comes packed with good amounts of nice pianos i want the drawbars. I don’t think I’ll get the pc4 se pcs i wonder why the pc4se got rid of things??? But on the Kawai i can save power on states and put all my sound sets in order for each song i want to play. Can the kurzwel save power on states?
I think you just got a bad board, every manufacturer has glitches, i even had to switch out my kawai mp7se because one day she wouldnt turn on out of nowhere but ive had my replacement now for a year and shes still going strong. Its prob the best stage piano ive owned, i had a korg sp300 so it was worth the upgrade for me, i havent looked back. Its so intuitive, has a hidden midi menu with 128 additional sounds that are more than usable, and leads you through a worship service with 0 problems. Im scared to try a kurzweil. Im too attached to RH3 action
I bought a Yamaha DGX-670 since the Kurzweil, and the Yamaha is the best digital piano I have ever played. Good even sound across the 88. Great editing for dialing in what we each think is our perfect piano sound. Acceptable key weighted key action. The piano sample is so good, editing to extreme pianos like a soft felt ambient piano is very easy to accomplish. Effects are good and usable even for the deeper reverbs of the soft felt piano. I bought the whole package with stand and 3pedals. The sustain is half pedal and works like an acoustic, the soft pedal is the first soft pedal I have ever owned that sounds like a soft pedal should. A built-in audio recorder that functions great for professional solo piano recording at CD/16bit/44.1kHz. For the first time in my 55 years of playing piano and 35 years playing/owning all kinds of digital pianos I don't cringe when I play it. This digital is finally an instrument with the expressiveness of an acoustic piano. So now I own a Roland RD-2000, Kurzweil PC4 and the Yamaha DGX-670, all different actions so practicing on all of them keeps me better prepared for whatever stage piano I have to perform on. But the Yamaha is the only one I enjoy playing. @@Justin_collier
Are Yamaha CP70b and NS3 Mello/Schimmel Upright multisamples/programs available for download?
www.patreon.com/posts/schimmel-upright-75777389
www.patreon.com/posts/yamaha-cp70-juno-80872914
Here you go! any problems, let know
@@inside_joke I downloaded both. Now just to load them in my Forte.
edit: CP70 is not FOR format file (NKI)
@@joskomestrov-uroda4012 I see you have a active account, great. I also see you have a free membership and a paid one. Please login under the paid account and download the sounds. You can also use the search option to get to the right downloads.
Can you transport NI sounds with the PC4 ? You know?
Hi Crandel, if you mean to ask if the PC4 can load NI sounds directly i'm sorry to say no. But, after converting them (check vid 2 of this series) the awnser is YES!
trying to understand the difference from a forte 8 and a k2700, i can get a forte for like 2grand and a k2700 would be like 3
Hi Don, the Forte has more flashmemory, the K2700 doubles the polyphony. And there are small differences like a audio interface for the 2700. I would always go for the Forte.
@@inside_joke hmmm im wondering the difference of waverom. I know forte has more piano ep clav waves. But not sure about other instruments. Thanks for replying
0:45 @@donleinoi own Forte, it have 16 GB of samples instead of 4,5 GB on K2700. K2700 have more polyphony (256 voices instead of 128), but on Forte KB3 mode have free polyphony, not counted into these 128 voices. FM engine, VA oscillators etc are same. If you are looking for good orchestra, there is some 3rd party libs which sounds great (Epic Orchestra). Also some other great from Barb&Co, from Dave Weiser great epianos, or you can import programs from PC3/4. Thousands of great programs.
Could You lead me how to access all these treasures? I don't have any experience with Patreon...I would like to donate and download if this is how it goes 😊
Hi Josko, if you consider them treasures, than i lead you there with pleasure :-) After a general sign on to Patreon, you can simply can become a member of my tier 'Get access to my Forte and K2700 sounds'. Then you'll be able to download all.
Membership is monthly renewed, so enough time to browse and get what you like. Greetings. Inside_Joke
@@inside_joke I will definitely join and donate as soon as I get to my PC. Hope that libraries that are of my interest will be available 😁
Sounds great. Can I buy them all on your patriot site?
Nice to hear you enjoy them Lollebolle. There are many patches already, most I will upload coming time- I want to get it right. If you want a specific sound with 'priority' just let me know. Some freebies there too btw.
Kurzweil K2700 us amazing, but the reason I won't buy it's because it's to heavy. If they make a 61 key version I would give it a very serious consideration.
The forte has more flashram and a 76key version, not too heavy for me.
K2061 is "soon to be released", but with less sample ROM vs Forte (2 Gb vs 16 Gb) which affects mostly acoustic and electric piano multisamples, and less RAM (2 Gb vs 3.4 Gb)
Wait kurzweil has the mks 20 sounds?
Not exactly, Roland did - but i converted them to the Kurz :-)
@@inside_joke yes that's what I'm trying to figure out so I can put it into my PC4 when it gets here. I have the sounds on my laptop for NI Kontakt
www.patreon.com/posts/roland-mks-20-75405089
This one still in the market?
Is no longer on their website.
Can you put all your library on patroon and I’ll subs again
Thanks, really! you can get some new free tasters (freebies) on my Patreon btw. Its quite a job to put them up but step-by-step i am getting there. www.patreon.com/user?u=81242476
Kronos is killer for me....
We all have our medicine :-)
@@inside_joke But seriously! I mean even the first Kronos already had an inbuilt 30 GB SSD which allowed streaming directly from there, later models had 60. And of course you could do exactly the same trick with using other libraries. Fact though is, whilst these are just samples, the Kronos has 9 Sound engines. Not just three like the Forte/2700. And I'd be indeed hard impressed if you'd manage to get the sounds of the virtual acoustic engine into the K. Let alone and MS-20, Polysix. Or alternatively reprogram those with vast. Which on my K2500XS. Whilst impressive, it's also pretty complicated. There have been geeks to program KB3, but that's not what everyone is capable of.
@@torbenanschau6641 Seriously, SSD is not comparable to FLASH ram. Loading times are zero, and you have Seamless sound switching, for musicians a big thing. FLASH is crazy expensive, although getting more available now, like in the Nord Stage. Personally, the playing comfort with FLASH is so much better. Latency wise, the Kurz feels more direct and like a musical instrument. The Kurz needs only 1 sound engine (VAST), all is build around it. It goes much, much deeper than Kronos sys. For one, the VAST sample engine is comparable to Kontakt (sample startpoint modulation etc, multisample groups, random switches), that's why you can convert those libraries better. And the sound is way better, if you know what you are doing. The kronos emulations (MS-20 etc.) are nice synths of course, but feel like a gimmick. If you owned a Polysix you know it sounds way, way better. Yes, VAST is complicated and not for everyone, it's the same for modular synthesis or other open systems. But endusers can profit from other sounddesigners doing the hard work.
@@robertvanderend6333 ssd is flash nand mean supeeeer fast vs same stuff that is prices superrr expensive
NO.
Nothing beats Kronos
erm I beg to differ ootb maybe BUT if you load the right samples and believe me I have had all the major synths incl a Kronos which I liked, into the Kurz then its game over. Let me say this subs to Inside_Joke pattern get the Rhodes and Grandeur. How he got the Grandeur to sound as good as the NI one is beyond me considering the size. I had to eq the NI one to give it body (I normally do that) and did add eq mainly bass on the Kurz its just sublime. Kurz is like a sports car until you activate its bells and whistle you can maybe feel a bit underwhelmed , with em on and it's NO Contest.
nothing except the Forte