I was really looking for a video with the heat pump installation. Not a replacement installation that show's, not much for me, just a removal and replacement. I bought a multi-speed pool motor from Inyo Pools after watching you're installation numerous times so I could handle it my self. I don't need to know about just a change out, but a true install. I'll keep looking and hopefully I'll find a video that you guys did that is just right for me. Your explanations are very easy to follow. Thanks. Tom
@@Inyopools hey there... Same situation (my pump calls for 50 amps breaker 90000 BTU hayward) it is *about* 60 feet from the breaker What wire size is this?
I upgraded from the 110,000BTU unit by Hayward but the issue I have is that it is not as straightforward for connecting it to an external control panel, also Hayward. Can you address this and how to connect it to an external control panel? Thanks
Thanks for Video! Is it okay to use regular PVC with heated water? I would have thought you needed copper or cpvc or black pvc? How hot does the water get? Thanks!
HI thanks for sharing this amazing video. I have a question. The owners manual states that you must install a bypass on any system over 3/4 Hp pool pump (Fig. 3 bonding and plumbing step by step installation instructions) Why You guys did not do it???? Thanks so much for your time......
Hello Santiago - The plumbing on this particular pool is more elaborate than the standard pool. There is a bypass for the heat pump but it's located closer to the rest of the equipment. There's a 3-way valve before the heat pump and a check valve on the return side.
Thanks for your quick response!! Is there a problems if I install the heater with out the bypass and 3 way valve?? Just a plain pipe from the filter to the heater and a plain pipe from the heater to the return???
Santiago Bueno - I know this is a delayed reply but wanted to answer for anyone else who has that sane question. It’s always a good idea to install a bypass for many reasons. Without writing a book on reasons, one of the reasons are times you may need to shock you're pool or do extreme chemical changes for pool stains, algae, etc.. There other thing to think about is that it's ideal to run it in bypass mode if you have no plans to use it, it's a big investment and I'm a fan of making there heater last longer. As always, great video from Inyo pools!
I'm shopping for an electric heat pump for my new residential pool and spa. I have solar panels to help with the electric cost. I'm looking at Pentair and Hayward pumps. Can you advise on one over the other? What about compressor noise, is one quieter than the other? I'm looking at the largest sizes available.
Depending upon the "on" time, these can produce a large amount of condensate (up to 20 gallons per day). I'd make accommodations to drain it where you want it to go rather than let it drain where gravity sends it. That might be dictated by local code. I know code in parts of Florida (where we are) for AC condensate is 3 feet from the house foundation. You don't want a constant flow of water going under your foundation.
I have a Hayward Heat Pump controlled externally. External control board is out of order, so, I tried to set internal control, but it doesn't work. I mean, when recirculating water pump is Off, heater pump continues working and stops by High Pressure Swicht. It seems like flowswitch is either out of order or disable. Please, would you let me know how to configurate Internal control, just to make stop heater pump when recirculating water pump is Off. Thanks in advance...
Automation would be a control box for all of your equipment. The pool lights, heater/heat pump, filter pump, and anything else electrical would be controlled from one central source. This heat pump was connected directly to a breaker panel and not an automation system.
@@jafir8880 can you answer this? I have the low voltage wires connected to the iaqualink 2.0 system, but cant get into the "setup" menu you say to go to in the installation instructions.
Is it ok if my plumbing is 1.5 inch? can I just use 2"-1.5" reducers?. I have a 1.5 HP pump but the pool was plummed with minimum friction so I'm getting the most of my pump. Im hoping it's enough to push this heater
You hook it up just like a regular 240V 2-pole breaker. The white pigtail still goes to the neutral bar. The 2 hot legs should cancel each other out in normal operation. In a fault condition, they do not equal, and the GFCI senses this and trips.
Hi there, I've had a Teledyne Laars DP3000 for over 20 years, but is on it's way out. does anyone still make oil-fired pool heaters? I found a Thermo-Dynamics for close to $7k which is insane, wondering if it's a reputable make and if any other brands are available. thanks.
If you live in a colder climate and are interested in extending your pool season or simply looking to heat your water fairly quickly, we recommend a pool heater. Also, if you have a pool and spa combination, invest in a pool heater. On the other hand, if the area you live in doesn’t normally drop below 50 degrees F, like Florida, we recommend a heat pump. Heat pumps are great options for pool owners who simply want to keep their pools warmer during their normal swimming season. Check out our blog for more information: www.inyopools.com/Blog/swimming-pool-heater-or-heat-pump/
Inyo Pools Thanks. That helps. I’m in south Michigan but don’t really want to extend the season so much as boost the heat a bit when the sun isn’t sufficient between Memorial Day and Labor Day. I’ll check out your blog.
I understand this is a old question, but since its one of the most common questions. I don’t think there is really any way to truly answer this question 100% generic as it really depends on the needs of the consumer as well as expectations and where they live. First, I really want to say - Inyo Pools answered this question perfectly, as well as it was a very good informative video (and this is coming from a friendly competitor to Inyo pools ‘technically’) I just wanted to add that sometimes depending where you live, gas/electric pricing is a major difference. Florida it’s almost always advised to get a Heat Pump unless you value speed of heating your pool/spa over cost of heating. **IDEALLY** I’d suggest calling a couple companies that sell pool heaters and get some feedback. In my experience, your questions will be answered and those who have true knowledge of pool heating will be ‘apparent’ (that gut feeling you get when you know the answers are lining up). I believe everyone has their own methods of ‘feeling others out’ so I won’t go on and on here.... I’m just a fan of talking to professionals in their field and *not* doing online ‘pool heating size forms’.... like I said first, America is very different depending where you live and your needs/wants are very different - so I recommend both local pool company quotes and national pool business quotes from companies that have been selling to all of America for many, many years.. Thanks for the professional video Inyo!
Hello Mimma - There could be several reasons why the spa isn't heating up to the desired level. With it being February, the ambient air may not be warm enough for the heat pump to sufficiently heat the spa. The spa should be covered when it is not being used (solar blanket). That will help retain heat.
This pool had an elaborate plumbing scheme but there was a way to bypass the heat pump. There was a 3-way valve coming out of the filter that you could close and there was a check valve on the return side of the heat pump. The check valve wasn't placed near the return of the heat pump. It was further down the line after it came back up out of the ground.
I was wondering why you left the propane heater in place? Doesn’t this replace it? Not questioning the wisdom of that, I was thinking of replacing my propane system with a heat pump and was wondering about your reasoning.
This system had a dual heating setup, a gas heater, and a heat pump. The heater or heat pump would be used according to desired heat rise and the weather. Unfortunately, most heat pumps lose efficiency or cannot operate in ambient temperatures of 60 degrees Fahrenheit or lower.
If you could respond it would be greatly appreciated. Just installed that exact heater and all went well but the fan is vibrating quite a bit. Blades appear fine. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Installed a Rheem a few years back and it did the same thing. Rheem had me move the fan on the shaft to a prescribed measurement from the base and that fixed the problem . Thanks
Inyo Pools thank you! I’m still debating between a Hayward HeatPump and a Hayward 400k NG. I live in PA, so I’m thinking NG even though it’s a little more expensive to run.
@@patrickoleary3466 I agree that it would make more sense for you to do a NG heater due to your location. A gas heater will work better when the ambient air is cooler. I'm in Florida so a heat pump made more sense for my application. Good luck, Patrick!
No. You have plumb the pipes coming out of your filter to the heater and then plumb the heater to the pool return pipe. You can search for "pool heater plumbing diagram" and see a picture but this will be the order... 1. water from the pool to the regular pool pump. (existing layout) 2. Pool pump feeds the filter. (existing layout) 3. Filter feeds the heater. (new plumbing required connecting the filter to the heater) 4. Heater feeds water back into the pool. (new plumbing required connecting the heater to the pool return pipe)
please answer the questions regarding the automation setup. if we are wired to the iaqualink 2.0 board, how do we get into the :setup menu? pool is set to OFF and spa at 102, but the heater never turns off now. answer please
Pretty straight forward, but it would have been a lot more helpful to discuss the pool pumps roll in this and if it needs to be wired together and/or need to be running while the heater is in use. I would assume it does, but I missed it if it was mentioned. Thanks for the video.
I was really looking for a video with the heat pump installation. Not a replacement installation that show's, not much for me, just a removal and replacement. I bought a multi-speed pool motor from Inyo Pools after watching you're installation numerous times so I could handle it my self. I don't need to know about just a change out, but a true install. I'll keep looking and hopefully I'll find a video that you guys did that is just right for me. Your explanations are very easy to follow. Thanks. Tom
Great video thanks. I have a new 95,000 btu ht pump calls for 60amp breaker, what size wire should i use 8 gauge?
What is the distance from the breaker box?
@@Inyopools hey there... Same situation (my pump calls for 50 amps breaker 90000 BTU hayward) it is *about* 60 feet from the breaker What wire size is this?
Hi , is there a video on how to set up a Hayward Heat Pump HP50A1, (need support with temp, clock ...) thanks
I upgraded from the 110,000BTU unit by Hayward but the issue I have is that it is not as straightforward for connecting it to an external control panel, also Hayward. Can you address this and how to connect it to an external control panel? Thanks
Do you know what split nut work for this heater can't find the right on. Thank you
Hayward heatpro 125k btu display is on all time ? Any comment
Thanks for Video! Is it okay to use regular PVC with heated water? I would have thought you needed copper or cpvc or black pvc? How hot does the water get? Thanks!
HI thanks for sharing this amazing video. I have a question. The owners manual states that you must install a bypass on any system over 3/4 Hp pool pump (Fig. 3 bonding and plumbing step by step installation instructions) Why You guys did not do it????
Thanks so much for your time......
Hello Santiago - The plumbing on this particular pool is more elaborate than the standard pool. There is a bypass for the heat pump but it's located closer to the rest of the equipment. There's a 3-way valve before the heat pump and a check valve on the return side.
Thanks for your quick response!!
Is there a problems if I install the heater with out the bypass and 3 way valve??
Just a plain pipe from the filter to the heater and a plain pipe from the heater to the return???
Santiago Bueno - I know this is a delayed reply but wanted to answer for anyone else who has that sane question. It’s always a good idea to install a bypass for many reasons. Without writing a book on reasons, one of the reasons are times you may need to shock you're pool or do extreme chemical changes for pool stains, algae, etc.. There other thing to think about is that it's ideal to run it in bypass mode if you have no plans to use it, it's a big investment and I'm a fan of making there heater last longer.
As always, great video from Inyo pools!
I'm shopping for an electric heat pump for my new residential pool and spa. I have solar panels to help with the electric cost. I'm looking at Pentair and Hayward pumps. Can you advise on one over the other? What about compressor noise, is one quieter than the other? I'm looking at the largest sizes available.
I'm concerned about the discharge of the condensate from the heat pump. Do I need to hook up a condensate drainage line? Where does the condensate go?
Depending upon the "on" time, these can produce a large amount of condensate (up to 20 gallons per day). I'd make accommodations to drain it where you want it to go rather than let it drain where gravity sends it.
That might be dictated by local code. I know code in parts of Florida (where we are) for AC condensate is 3 feet from the house foundation. You don't want a constant flow of water going under your foundation.
I have a Hayward Heat Pump controlled externally. External control board is out of order, so, I tried to set internal control, but it doesn't work. I mean, when recirculating water pump is Off, heater pump continues working and stops by High Pressure Swicht.
It seems like flowswitch is either out of order or disable.
Please, would you let me know how to configurate Internal control, just to make stop heater pump when recirculating water pump is Off.
Thanks in advance...
At 5:36 in the video you refer to the unit NOT being connected to any automation. Can you explain what the "automation" would be?
Automation would be a control box for all of your equipment. The pool lights, heater/heat pump, filter pump, and anything else electrical would be controlled from one central source. This heat pump was connected directly to a breaker panel and not an automation system.
@@Inyopools So if we connect to any automation system should we change the operating mode? is there any option?
@@jafir8880 can you answer this? I have the low voltage wires connected to the iaqualink 2.0 system, but cant get into the "setup" menu you say to go to in the installation instructions.
An extra $2000 for the convenience of setting your thermostat with your phone.
If we connect heat pump to a controller automation system should we do any change in menu?
inyo, please answer this question
Bonding should be bare copper. Is that your bond or ground?
Is it ok if my plumbing is 1.5 inch? can I just use 2"-1.5" reducers?. I have a 1.5 HP pump but the pool was plummed with minimum friction so I'm getting the most of my pump. Im hoping it's enough to push this heater
Very informative👍
How do you calculate what size heater you need to simply raise the temperature of a 30,000 gallon pool just 10 degrees? Like from 75 to 85 degrees.
No bypass valve?
No manual isolation valves needed??
How do you hook up the Gfci breaker? There is no neutral so what goes in the neutral screw on the Gfci breaker? Does it stay empty?
You hook it up just like a regular 240V 2-pole breaker. The white pigtail still goes to the neutral bar. The 2 hot legs should cancel each other out in normal operation. In a fault condition, they do not equal, and the GFCI senses this and trips.
Hi there, I've had a Teledyne Laars DP3000 for over 20 years, but is on it's way out. does anyone still make oil-fired pool heaters? I found a Thermo-Dynamics for close to $7k which is insane, wondering if it's a reputable make and if any other brands are available. thanks.
i guess it's quite off topic but does anyone know of a good site to stream newly released movies online ?
@Eric John I would suggest FlixZone. Just search on google for it =)
@Luca Khari definitely, I have been watching on flixzone for months myself =)
@Luca Khari Yup, have been watching on Flixzone for months myself :D
@Luca Khari Thanks, signed up and it seems to work :) I really appreciate it!
When do you recommend a heat pump vs gas heater?
If you live in a colder climate and are interested in extending your pool season or simply looking to heat your water fairly quickly, we recommend a pool heater. Also, if you have a pool and spa combination, invest in a pool heater.
On the other hand, if the area you live in doesn’t normally drop below 50 degrees F, like Florida, we recommend a heat pump. Heat pumps are great options for pool owners who simply want to keep their pools warmer during their normal swimming season.
Check out our blog for more information: www.inyopools.com/Blog/swimming-pool-heater-or-heat-pump/
Inyo Pools Thanks. That helps. I’m in south Michigan but don’t really want to extend the season so much as boost the heat a bit when the sun isn’t sufficient between Memorial Day and Labor Day. I’ll check out your blog.
I understand this is a old question, but since its one of the most common questions. I don’t think there is really any way to truly answer this question 100% generic as it really depends on the needs of the consumer as well as expectations and where they live.
First, I really want to say - Inyo Pools answered this question perfectly, as well as it was a very good informative video (and this is coming from a friendly competitor to Inyo pools ‘technically’)
I just wanted to add that sometimes depending where you live, gas/electric pricing is a major difference. Florida it’s almost always advised to get a Heat Pump unless you value speed of heating your pool/spa over cost of heating.
**IDEALLY**
I’d suggest calling a couple companies that sell pool heaters and get some feedback. In my experience, your questions will be answered and those who have true knowledge of pool heating will be ‘apparent’ (that gut feeling you get when you know the answers are lining up). I believe everyone has their own methods of ‘feeling others out’ so I won’t go on and on here.... I’m just a fan of talking to professionals in their field and *not* doing online ‘pool heating size forms’.... like I said first, America is very different depending where you live and your needs/wants are very different - so I recommend both local pool company quotes and national pool business quotes from companies that have been selling to all of America for many, many years..
Thanks for the professional video Inyo!
is the 60 amp breaker a GFI or is a normal 60 amp circuit ok with this ???
The heat pumps do not currently require GFCI protection. A normal circuit breaker would be ok.
My spa does not get hot enough what can I do?
Hello Mimma - There could be several reasons why the spa isn't heating up to the desired level. With it being February, the ambient air may not be warm enough for the heat pump to sufficiently heat the spa. The spa should be covered when it is not being used (solar blanket). That will help retain heat.
What gauge wire do you recommend ?
For this installation, 6 AWG copper wire was used.
Why no heater bypass plumbing?
This pool had an elaborate plumbing scheme but there was a way to bypass the heat pump. There was a 3-way valve coming out of the filter that you could close and there was a check valve on the return side of the heat pump. The check valve wasn't placed near the return of the heat pump. It was further down the line after it came back up out of the ground.
I was wondering why you left the propane heater in place? Doesn’t this replace it? Not questioning the wisdom of that, I was thinking of replacing my propane system with a heat pump and was wondering about your reasoning.
This system had a dual heating setup, a gas heater, and a heat pump. The heater or heat pump would be used according to desired heat rise and the weather. Unfortunately, most heat pumps lose efficiency or cannot operate in ambient temperatures of 60 degrees Fahrenheit or lower.
If you could respond it would be greatly appreciated. Just installed that exact heater and all went well but the fan is vibrating quite a bit. Blades appear fine. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Installed a Rheem a few years back and it did the same thing. Rheem had me move the fan on the shaft to a prescribed measurement from the base and that fixed the problem . Thanks
Will that slowdown the pool filtration process?
The slowdown caused from the heat pump is negligible.
How loud is it? We have an existing heat pump that is really loud.
They normally run at about 60 decibels. Mine is right outside my bedroom window and I can barely hear it inside.
Inyo Pools thank you! I’m still debating between a Hayward HeatPump and a Hayward 400k NG. I live in PA, so I’m thinking NG even though it’s a little more expensive to run.
@@patrickoleary3466 I agree that it would make more sense for you to do a NG heater due to your location. A gas heater will work better when the ambient air is cooler. I'm in Florida so a heat pump made more sense for my application. Good luck, Patrick!
@@Inyopools Thanks. Are there any charts that show the expected degradation of the HeatPro due to lower temperatures / humidity?
Wow so full blast of water stream going thru that heater ?
This pool had a variable speed pump. The pump was set at a lower RPM.
Does the heat pump replace the normal pump?
The heat pump does not replace the normal pool pump. It only heats the water. The heat pump does not circulate water.
No. You have plumb the pipes coming out of your filter to the heater and then plumb the heater to the pool return pipe. You can search for "pool heater plumbing diagram" and see a picture but this will be the order...
1. water from the pool to the regular pool pump. (existing layout)
2. Pool pump feeds the filter. (existing layout)
3. Filter feeds the heater. (new plumbing required connecting the filter to the heater)
4. Heater feeds water back into the pool. (new plumbing required connecting the heater to the pool return pipe)
please answer the questions regarding the automation setup. if we are wired to the iaqualink 2.0 board, how do we get into the :setup menu? pool is set to OFF and spa at 102, but the heater never turns off now. answer please
Pretty straight forward, but it would have been a lot more helpful to discuss the pool pumps roll in this and if it needs to be wired together and/or need to be running while the heater is in use. I would assume it does, but I missed it if it was mentioned. Thanks for the video.
And is a bypass necessary?
When you say 60 amp do you mean double pole 30 amp (30+30=60) or double pole 60 amp? (60+60=120)
We are referring to a 60 amp 2-pole breaker.
On these heat pumps you determine breaker size of supply or power by locked rotor current correct?
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