Why was Cristian Romero SENT OFF vs Chelsea? | Match Officials Mic'd Up | Astro SuperSport
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Some great communication between the referees here. These discussions should be broadcast live like they are in rugby. THIS is how VAR should operate. Complete transparency.
These guys bottle it for certain players....saka high foot against fernandez....but guess it's arsenal ...they get a lot more than against
@@valerienaidoo3853 what? 😂😂😂😂
Completely the opposite of the Spurs vs Liverpool match. That was a disaster.
This was actually very good VAR officiating for once, not enjoyed a lot of VAR this season but credit where it is due
Yes it's nice to finally get some transparency. Imo that would help clear up any shouts of bias.
Yeah
I just dont get why they look at the offside first?
They already know it was gonns be irrelevant if the penalty before is given
@@cinecfull3733no because it could’ve been a goal instead of a penalty right away, then given the red as well after the goal conformation.
Hearing the people talking also humanizes them, it makes their decisions less suspicious in my opinion. VAR audio should be available for every game I think, either as a secondary channel or as a separate immediate public release, especially for the first division of each league. Keeping it under lock is counterproductive.
First time in my life, I had seen a referre talking and explaining the situation and giving red card live on field ..😮
How can I miss this till this date..
It was such a great experience watching a referee talk and explain
This is great content, love seeing these discussions, clarifies a lot
I disagree man. The more Webb talks, he digs himself into a hole. Total inconsistent decisions. Destroying the game. I'm not watching Premier league anymore. Ref standards are destroying integrity of the game.
@@hutfam don't know about other moments, but here specifically he's right
man this gave me flashback on that 2-2 draw last season in stamford bridge. how this guy didn't get sent off is beyond me. he deserved this one dearly.
We will never see a footage of that incident mate . Thats how you know those bellends definitely fucked up .
Karma will get to Spurs sooner or later
@@QISHAV They disallowed the Cacideo goal for the exact same thing they allowed Spurs first goal in that game with Richarlison. Ridiculous inconsistencies amongst these referees.
need one with chelsea and anthony taylor
in fairness i thought he did pretty well in that match against city.
@@bgrg Do you really think, the cucu one was a penalty ? and blind ref didn't call handball on Walker ?
@@bgrg Only reason we didn't make much of issue of it because it could easily reverted for Silva goal. So equal equal.
@@28CFC Chelsea fan here and its definitely not a penalty for me but I would say its still a 50/50 decision for the VAR to give. Haaland absolutely pulled Cucu at first thats for sure but then Cucu pulled him back. Haaland again made the most out of it , as every other player would. Definitely felt a bit cheated for that penalty. And they scored a deflection goal as well to top it off. Lucky our team didnt switch off after City's 4th goal.
Need one for all recent Taylor games..
Romero has been riding his luck for a long long time. The sending off was absolutely justified and deserved.
A very dirty player imo
@@KingLeQuan868but one of the best
@@ehidk7212one of the best???😂😂
@@arifikram1502 in the prem he is
@@ehidk7212"at spurs" more like
if Jackson letting the ball through his legs into the net is offside...... I don't see the SLIGHTEST reason why that goal against Fulham wasn't(the one where Akanji did basically the same thing in front of Leno)
True...bcs its City i guess
well yeah , because the goal against fulham shouldn't have stood
@@izzatsuarex4310Lol, they literally admitted they made an error.
Admit for error and giving 3 points to city is not fair at all for me. If ref admit it then then city should lose either points or GD.
Because it’s Man City? You have to be delusional or blind if you can’t see the amount of influence those cheating scum have over referees.
This is really really good, no talking over each other, clear communication both within the VAR room and with the on-field ref, clear decisions, all in agreement, this is as close as it gets to perfect. Only problem is it took a tad long but if the decisions are this accurate its worth it.
He committed a fouls earlier before you guys decided to red card him. Bro could have killed someone with those challenges 😂
Not really killed
bs
@@Kal_Al_Thor actually it's possible to be killed. If a broken bone is worse enough it can puncture an artery if the bone is close enough to the artery.
Oh bore off with you constant death is worst case scenario bullsheet.
the best process I've seen so far
that offside was overcomplicated
seriously!! if it gets this complicated, it should be given as a goal
Yes it was, but it was right decision. Better slow than wrong.
The refs did absolutely nothing wrong. The problem is the time spent. What really took the most time was the offside call. The system the Prem has right now I don’t think the refs can go faster than they did either. If they go faster they will get decisions wrong. The Champions League offside system is much faster. Thats where I think there can be improvements, to the actual system. Champions League has a semi-automated offside system which makes it faster and even more accurate. Idk why the Prem said no to implementing this but imo this is the only way of improvement atm.
I'd like an explanation of when violent conduct can be shrugged off as petulance? All I seen was a retake of the officating of the battle of the bridge where the officials did their best to keep tottenham at 11 men. Just like the ref said in his interview. "I'll let tottenham implode on their own"
Yeah referees are doing a great job
Tbh if it takes that long to decide if it's offside then it had no bearing on the play and shouldn't be given. I know it's the point of VAR but the games become so slow. Every match has 8-10 mins added time nowadays
Well, to be fair, it was a pretty long play with many suspicious things going on, so, some time for the VAR to process it is expected
The margins are too close. A heel or a toe is not enough to claim there is an advantage to the forward. There needs to be clear daylight between the players for offside.
Excellent analysis.
Doesn't seem that long when you listen to it, would be great to have this live in games
No wonder VAR takes 5 mins. They complain about the speed of the game and then use this outdated crosshair method to decide offside. Semi-automated tech is right there, they were using it in the World Cup and it's faster, it has higher accuracy and is more consistent.
I like how he calls Son "Sonny"
I want hear the var for walker handball 😂
true
Bruh 😂
wasnt in the box for penalty or a red card offence so VAR wouldnt get involved,
Anthony Taylor is just a prick that hates Chelsea so we never get any decisions he doesnt have to give
outside the box so i dont think var can intervene. Might be wrong tho
Var cant intervene
Possibly the best VAR decision checking I've ever seen, why can't they be this thorough with everything instead of rushing and missing things? Time gets added on anyway so there's no point rushing these decisions, they're not restricted by time in the match to get the right decisions.
Also Messi: Romero is the best defenders currently.
I think ever since Messi became team mates with Ramos at PSG, his perception of a "great" defender has changed drastically.
romero for several times did this. i think he clearly have an intent to seriously injure his opponents
the fact that he goes like that to his fellow national teammates, just shows how even more awful his intent is towards other players
@@stev3886 He's scum of the earth isn't he, players like that should be sanctioned beyond just a red card
He’s a monster plain and simple 😂
@@christianargueta6942 No, 4 red cards in 72 games says he's stupid.
@@stev3886 yup. clearly thats his way of play and its bad for football
This is why its important to give ref enough time to make a proper review and not pressure them to make a quick decision
The ref decides in real time. The VAR needs a bit of time to review but if it's not a clear and obvious error then it really shouldn't take more than 30-45 secs.
In this case, slightly complicated because they were looking at multiple incidents at the sane time.
Michael Oliver, one of the best referees i've ever seen.
hands down the best PL ref in recent years
I don't want to imagine if the ref was Ant Taylor. That guy clearly has agenda against Chelsea.
@@aidanjanemcintosh6919 If Taylor was reffing, Enzo would have gotten a red for not allowing Romero to clear the ball.
The only competent ref in England currently.
For big fixtures, it's either Michael Oliver or Anthony Taylor. It's clear to see that Oliver is the most competent, but the FA always choose Taylor for "bigger" fixtures. Ridiculous.
Are you actually serious?! He’s absolutely awful 😂
They put the offside line wherever they want as long as they happy. Lol
Beautifully done.! Sweet video here too!
Surely they should have looked at the red/pen first? Using this process means if Jackson wasn't offside, then the 'serious foul play' wouldn't have been checked
thats how it has always been though.. Because imagine if the Goal stood, then they cancel that out get rewarded the pen and miss the pen, that would be a 100x worse lol? I think about back to when Chelsea played Spurs in FA cup semi final I think where we won 5-1 and Spurs had a break away goal and cech smashed the player but Bale scored, if Bale didn't score Cech would have got a red card and we would have gone down to 10 men and a completely different story.
@@theonlyrico9799 Different situations. This foul was dangerous play and endangering an opponent, where as the Cech goal was just the denial of a goal scoring opportunity
@@Lewbcon wdym cech could have broken his leg in that challenge lmao
@theonlyrico9799 You clearly didn't watch the game if you think that was in any way a dangerous foul
@saeidbinhossain2524 I'm not really sure what your point is? It can be a red card and a goal, decisions are handled in isolation from each other
Son was speechless
This 6 min footage was better than last 2 years worth of Hollywood movies.
That is so freaking cool. I wish they did this for the NFL, NBA and especially the MLB…
Why do they think showing us their decisions on nailed on fouls is convincing? Show us your inconsistent calls side to side and explain why one is okay and one isn't.
This the process is great, that's why they show it.
I think they should just change the off side rule to "foot, or leg" so that we see slightly fewer offsides and such that we can judge much more quickly. Ultimately it is not going to impact the game that much but the little impact it has will only be for the better imo.
Great content, more of this var in depth checks please
I hope we could get those discussions during the matchs
In france we applied for that but the Fifa refused.
I think they decided to try it out in some minor leagues to see how good it could be.
You can see Romero winding back before he ‘clears’ the ball, he knew full well he was going to leave his foot in to hurt enzo. The guy is a menace and got what he deserved. Should’ve have been on the pitch anyway
Would love to see clips like this of la liga matches, sometimes it looks like there is no one in the VAR room.
They need to ply this for tv audiences and for ppl in stadium
This is ridiculous, if the offside is that close it should ALWAYS be called in favour of the attacking team. It wouldn't of made a difference to the goal if he was a millimeter onside/offside.... -.-
I’ve always thought if there’s no actual space between the attacker and defenders body why is it offside? They’ll call it if your pinkie finger is passed the defender which is absolutely ridiculous
They said a few years ago they’re going to start widening the lines to give the attacking team the benefit of the doubt.. but they’ve still not figured out how to do it somehow
im not siding with either teams here, but this argument ain't it. First of all, with the exception of a "benefit of doubt" scenario (rashford vs liverpool in united's 2-1 win over liverpool) where they wouldnt call an offside if both lines touch each other, there is no other "in-between" outcome for offside. Either you're off or you're on. Secondly, Jackson's position hinders the line of sight of the keeper, and therefore as long as Jackson is offside, he should be penalised. peace
I actually really appreciate this as an example to point to as well as a ref myself for younger games. a lot of folks seem to think that if you touch the ball first there is never a foul. But obviously here, you can get good contact on the ball and still follow through into the player in a dangerous, carless or even reckless manner.
The line I've said a few times recently, "just because you touch the ball first doesnt allow you to go an destroy someone's ankle on the follow through"
Honestly talk about splitting hairs some of these decisions are unbelievable
Jackson was so far from the GK, he is almost near the edge of the box while the GK is on the line. There is plenty of line of sight for the GK to see Caicedo's strike. So a player can be between the half way line and the goal in an offside position coming back from play and his team mate shoots towards goal and score and he is judge to be offisde obstructing GK's view? There must be some extent to how this offside blocking GK view can be applied. Jackson was nearer the shooter than the GK.
Not only obstructing GK , he jumps off the ball
its interfering with play
@@khalidagelele7430 so a guy jumping 12 feet away from GK makes him unable to save the ball? Caicedo's shot was very well placed and out of reach of the GK. Remove Jackson and I don't think he saves it any game. Vicario did had a terrific game but this goal was one he is not saving.
@@Stuffthatsfunny1 didn't even cause any change of direction of the ball nor is he right in front of the gk. He is so far away... How is that interfering with play?
Interesting to see how Var got it offside. The angle and how close it was. How many mm was the offside distance.
spot on
yes they got the decision correct, but f me it took so long still, the offside of jackson is ridiculously tight and no where near the GK, should be given benefit of the doubt with this, if his bum was smaller he would be onside its just ridiculous
Nice review..
this is aweome
Sterling dive started all this
This is absolute Cinema.
Simply wow. Much appreciation on the way VAR conducted themselves. My question is, why don't we get this from LA LIGA!????
I love var, all these extended breaks in game gives us the opportunity for adverts and we can make the game like american football. 15 ad breaks a game, everyone wants this.
But there’s no ads during VAR calls? What are you talking about?
Quite the happy people
City player is even nearer the gk but the goal still stand. but for other team they check the tiniest possible reason to rule a goal out. even spurs player doesnt argue about that goal lol.
Fascinating content.
This offside call is insane
Italy has it automatic and in 3d.
It’s their system that was used at the World Cup
I don’t get it why the premiere league doesn’t have the same system
That was hectic
show us the ones they cocked up, there's loads of those
Thanks for Liverpool 's incident. The process and communication of VAR get more attention.
wow a lots of work here
Ridiculous. It's like investigating a crime scene every time. Let the refs make decisions unless it's not clear and obvious, and make the rules on offside and handball simple and easy to understand with an emphasis on intent. The refs are not even consistent!
Funny how they ignore the dive from Sterling at the beginning. He did it twice in this game... Ok mate it is just Sterling he always gets down in the box.. Let's ignore it
Mastery!
Sterling also deserve a yellow card for the dive😂😎🤣
As somebody who studied optics and photography, I do not think its is possible to call offside this close from such a camera angle.
The goals given to Man City and the Manchester United Palace by the VAR were on the 6 yard line in an offside position. The original 2 footed tackle and the Romero kicking out was also missed
What happened to getting to the ball first? He clearly got the ball.
These things happen in seconds. How on earth is he going to control his follow through?
They are ruining football by going too soft.
The fact is that if he does not make the 50 50 challenge he doesn't get the ball and is not able to clear.
Because you can't sacrifice the rivalr player's health to win a challenge, makes no sense at all lmao
U can win the ball but ur cleats can’t be halfway up the guys shin on ur follow thru that’s how guys get seriously hurt. There was no reason he had to kick the ball in that way
@rageeth, actually I've seen multiple different players manage this kind of tackle WITHOUT the follow through. So clearly some players have learnt the art of a hard tackle without being a dirty player. Unfortunately for Spurs, Romero isn't one of them. Shocking tackle. I bet if it was one of your players you'd be fuming if he didn't get punished for endangering the welfare of a fellow pro.
Exactly, football has gone soft. It's just stupid, it's a CONTACT SPORT he needs to be laser focused on getting that ball and stopping a potential goal. He's not going to kill someone, not going to do serious damage. Never a foul.... It's a joke. I remember refs saying "welcome to the Premier League" and how we weren't like Europe well we are now!
@@PaulKTomo I guess if this was one of your players you'd think different. I'm also curious as to how it won't cause serious damage if it hits? I seem to recall Roy Keane ending Haalands career with a bad tackle, and there's more examples. The leg of a person is a remarkably fragile thing, easily broken and very hard to deal with once broken. Romero is a dirty player. Has been for some time.
Finnaly very good calls, that is a leg breaker....
great
Good check
I don't know how the lines are drawn, but after seeing it from this angle, that's not offside to me. The VAR guy kept saying move it to the right, Like what are you moving?
1. Before fixtures, teams should have the opportunity to decide whether they want VAR to be used for the game.
So this is over 6 minutes of holding play, how much was given as extra time?
Good call.
Amazing VAR this one👍🏼
The problem with VAR is the cameras are not in the right position so it is really hard to measure so maybe more cameras maybe one on the line from thw corner flag to the goal
the var spot on with the handling of this decision
There MUST be a better way to check offside than the cross hairs. Humanity has solved far more bigger problems. “
💯👍
When are we having this in Spain?
the referees are so relaxed covering the var that they no longer notice obvious fouls
and VDV gets a hamstring injury a few mins later due to waiting for this farce to play out. Fast forward to the Spurs Villa game, identical challenge on a Spurs player in the box, no free kick
I remember back when getting to the ball first _was_ the be all and end all when it came to challenges like this. They used to let some absolutely shocking tackles get by.
Neuer vs Higuain comes to mind
& those were the best days
@@andrefoston8905 Unless ur are on the receiving end of one of those tackles!!!
this could be like the rugby… include it in the game
That’s a cool way of seeing it… I can see why it takes so long now
I bet if the giving the option, Spurs would have preferred the Caicedo goal than the red card and a penalty against them
The foul by Romero comes first before the Caicedo goal so either way, he was gonna get sent off.
Shoulda check the penalty incident first? First play to avoid the long wait
"Sonny!" 📢
The only issue i have here is why VAR needs two people for the process. We can hear one ref asking for the other to present certain frames. Why can't one ref not just get the frames himself.
It's so interesting and important to have the all process of the VAR. The VAR did a great job. The ref could explain it better :/
how do stop the follow through Mr Webb?
Romero escaped with a penalty not awarded for his handball against man utd. Justice is done.
One of the most shocking decisions of the season so far.. then Arsenal get a penalty for a handball against him that shouldn’t be a penalty.. too many times things have went against United that have went for other clubs, it’s been absolutely ridiculous to watch.
Ridiculous!!! It shouldn’t be that fine!!! It is taking the joy out of the game
I love the transparency, I'd like for refs in La Liga to also publish their VAR process but alas they refuse to. I wonder why.
Do they have to check the offside tho? Can't they confirm that the possible penalty position happens before the offside so they first check if it is penalty or not then move to offside position? They could have saved a lot of time by that.
im new to following football, but i just don't understand the foul on romero, everyone saying he's a dirty player so he deserved getting sent off which i understand i guess, dont see how it applys though. but what does everyone want him to do in that situation? somehow clear the ball and defy physics by stopping his foot before it follows through or alternatively not do his job as a defender and just let the attacker have a shot........ like enzo didn't even make an attempt, he ran up to the ball and just stood still waiting for contact
If Romero were taking a shot and his follow through landed his foot on a defender's leg like that, there's no way refs give an attacker a red card for that contact. Romero was playing a ball in his possession, Enzo made no attempt to play the ball or avoid contact with the progressing player. Take this a step further and players will be running into the studs of someone who just kicked to get the kicker sent off. Picture this, Salah shoots on goal, scores, but Romero lunges in so Salah's studs land on Romero's shin on the follow-through... you want to red card Salah for that?
Yeah this is such a dumb take, maybe you need to watch more football before making ridiculous statements like this.. is was one of the most blatant red cards you’ll ever see
@@Snotzalotz what is Romero meant to do there? It’s called no nonsense CB clear the ball???
@@Snotzalotzso blatant that literally noone seen the faul before 5 replays, if you touch the ball before a tackle it cant be red, obv romero makes terrible faul but it cant be red
As a gooner this is so frustrating to hear. How many times have we heard excuses of "momentum" and "follow through" being given for these type of reckless challenges?
I think its great to communicate like that. Thinking about other situations where the VAR in my opinion just destroyed the match for example 07.09.2021 Austria vs Scotland. How can the VAR say yes to the first pen for scotland and no the the second pen for austria. Ref would not have gaven both. I would say both a penalty. VAR just forced the 1:0 win for scotland in my opinion.
Honestly this was good use of var
that offside tho..jackson already jump and open his leg
Romero challenged him first before the offside
@@andriyzulqhidir4048 Does not matter since referee can give advantage to the attacking team. They can always revisit a red card incident after that.
When a player tackles and kicks through the ball how exactly do they stop their momentum.
Well… you determine that it “is the defender shoulder”… why would you decide that? The issue with the whole camera angle is that it cannot determine which body part is the furthest outward. “Are you happy with that blue line there”, feelings can rally alter our perception of reality.
The VAR officials do not even know the laws of foul play,
Excessive force is the citeria for a sending-off Romero's challenge is not excessive he clearly plays the ball.
Yellow not a red, he won the ball but followed through unintentionally