@@markinusmarkison2093 That woosh you heard is my joke going waaaaay over your head. By the way, the only thing Korean about this car are its running lights, which resemble typical Korean eyes before plastic surgery.
It'll do okay but won't be anything special. It's cousin the Zeekr 001 shooting brake on the other hand just came out a new version with the CATL Qilin 140 kWh battery. In a range test done in China at 120 kph, the 001 Qilin did 820 km in one charge. If Bjorn has enough bladder fortitude, he could hammer for 7 hours to get 800 km under the belt, charge for 5-10 minutes, and hammer the other 200 km in a second stint and finish the whole thing in maybe 9 hours.
@tren133 Cars with built in toilet seats will become the next trend, than. I'm pretty sure that the Chinese can make a seat with an automatic ass-wiper.
In China there are a few cars that charge at 450kW already. The GAC Aion for example and the xpeng g9. The g9 is restricted to only 300kW in Europe for some reason🤔
I have a Plaid, and one of the reasons I love Tesla is the charging speed - but jesus christ, the Plaid is a child compared to this charging speed. This is amazing.
Love to see how this technology is applied in these vehicles and the range of companies producing them is a surprise to me. I suspect the reason is in the states, we are not availed to a lot of what is being produced overseas. That has all changed with the EV and one of these days I hope to get one. For now, I'll keep watching. All the best Bjorn. This was awesome to see.
The charging percentage is no good indicator for an end user but perfect from a technical perspective because the load always depends on the overall capacity. But to be fair, e-tron GT and EQS are a couple of years old, so you can expect some advantage of the other models. The most interesting fact is that it don't necessarily requires a 800V architecture to have fast charging.
Really made in Great Britain? According to wiki: "The Lotus Eletre was designed at the Geely Design Studio in Coventry and is produced in Wuhan, China."
Quite large battery, so that helps, the C-rating doesn't need to be super high even tho the charge rate is high. More cells to share the charging power. But would be interesting to see the battery temperature during the charging session, if it's too high for too long that might cause degradation indeed.
Doesn't much matter for most people. Even with the possibility of speeds like this most people will still do 90-95% of charging at home at AC speeds (11kw or so). But the possibility will be massive on long road drips. Let's hope this will trickle down into lower price categories (40k€ and under).
Is there any way of hoping you could have a discussion about why the 800V batteries charge so fast? In my mind the bottleneck should be heat generated from the actual cells, not current running through cables. And the C-rate for individual cells should be the same no matter if they are in a 400V or 800V battery.
Correct. The individual cell recieves the same current regardless of pack architecture. So 400 or 800 V only has influence on the cables and supporting hardware, but the connection to the individual cell is still the same. The nickel based cells have around 3.7 V of nominal voltage, this is its intrinsic property. To charge a cell faster one needs to increase the current input. Maybe they are using high power cells instead of energy cells? High power cells have higher porosity in the electrodes, thiner electrodes and thicker curent collectors but this decreases the gravimetric energy density.
@@EinzigfreierName500 A is not a CCS limit, but a hardware limit of the widely available cables. There actually exist a few 600/700 A chargers out there already
@@EinzigfreierName True. That makes sense when you are looking at the more extreme power levels >300kW that we see with the Lotus. But many of these 800V cars seem to be able to maintain a higher charging speed even at high SoC, though not at the level where it would be amp limited in a 400V setup. As an example my old 800V Ioniq 5 could do >140kW at >80%, whereas my current 400V M3P won’t come close to that. On the other hand the Tesla can pull some crazy amps at low SoC and still get ~250kW.
@@madgaming3172 My thoughts exactly! Higher charging speeds should probably be attributed to cell characteristics rather than the 800V architecture. Or possibly just putting the cells under high amounts of stress, and risking degradation over time.
Why? At this efficiency it's around 110-130 miles max of driving range recovered. Multiple other evs do that without even needing 800v architecture or a 350kw charger. 🤔
@@4literv6 in the old days, charging took soooo long, at 75 kw for example. In 10 minutes you get a coffee and a pee, and there so much distance added. With my m3 we would not finish lunch before we got the notification: ready for next trip.
4:10 Combined with the relatively good consumption the Lotus is the clear bargain so far for the year. Rant: It is really beyond me how this channel is still only at 300k subs. I know YT is changing the algorithms, but still...
Just imagine it's cousin the Zeekr 001 which has even better efficiency, and can be optioned with the new massive 140 kWh Qilin battery pack, and while not as nice and luxurious as the Lotus, it only costs half the price of the Eletre.
Made in Wuhan China if I understood their website info correctly. I'm looking forwards to you having an Eletre for a longer series of tests. I think it's now my new dream EV.
Björn, How about adding information on average sharging power at the end. It could be the famous kWh/h-avg =D Looking forward to see you test the Mercedes Benz EQE 500 SUV and how it performs in aspects. Will it come any time soon?
bro you're wrong. The BMW session restarted. It was 22 minutes for the i7 to gain 63 kWh starting at 10%. And the Lotus took 16 minutes to gain 63 kWh starting at 10%.
You should actually only do a race who gets the fastest to say 50 kW, and not to a percentage. Because the BMW maybe got to 99% faster, but the battery is 10% smaller than the Eletre. Also, quite disappointed with the Audi, given the smaller battery it doesn't even charge that fast.
It is interesting that he counter for lotus shows that 115 kWh was charged to battery of 104 kWh capacity. (To 98%). This means like overall 15% loses...
The Eletre is way too slow above 84 % SoC. 😳 If you want to fully charge, you have almost no time advantage against 400 volt systems. I'm dissapointed.
Percent is really a pretty meaningless metric to use for comparisons. kWh is much better, but really it’s driving range added which needs to be compared.
3:27 e-tron is better than EQS because it gets to 80% quicker….oh but wait EQS has added more kWh…. …but even just kWh for the sake of kWh are meaningless
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The pride of British badge engineering! Splendid, the Chinese have outdone themselves.
There is not british engineering in batteries, it's all chinese oder korean.
@@markinusmarkison2093 Not sure about Lotus but the Germans only buy the cells from China & Korea and completely engineer the batteries themselves.
@@markinusmarkison2093 That woosh you heard is my joke going waaaaay over your head. By the way, the only thing Korean about this car are its running lights, which resemble typical Korean eyes before plastic surgery.
Yaaa, Brits worked hard to make the batch worth it! And that's it!
The British sold all of their car brands to the chinese, indians, germans, etc. 😭
And now we desperately need to know how it fares at the 1000 km Challenge.
It'll do okay but won't be anything special. It's cousin the Zeekr 001 shooting brake on the other hand just came out a new version with the CATL Qilin 140 kWh battery. In a range test done in China at 120 kph, the 001 Qilin did 820 km in one charge. If Bjorn has enough bladder fortitude, he could hammer for 7 hours to get 800 km under the belt, charge for 5-10 minutes, and hammer the other 200 km in a second stint and finish the whole thing in maybe 9 hours.
@tren133 Cars with built in toilet seats will become the next trend, than. I'm pretty sure that the Chinese can make a seat with an automatic ass-wiper.
I think you should get a second job calling horse racing, you made the charging race fun to watch
Congrats to 300k subs! 🎉🎉🎉
42⁰ in south Spain now. That cars are awesome
You can nice see how the technology is going better and better. ETron GT or Porsche Taycans technology is from 2019. (but still not bad at all).
In China there are a few cars that charge at 450kW already. The GAC Aion for example and the xpeng g9. The g9 is restricted to only 300kW in Europe for some reason🤔
Both are driving, that is also impressive, stuntman Bjørn.
I have a Plaid, and one of the reasons I love Tesla is the charging speed - but jesus christ, the Plaid is a child compared to this charging speed. This is amazing.
Tesla isn't the best at charging but good at efficiency.. the newer S/X can at least hold the >240kW until 30%.
Tesla has decent charge speed but gets the krone in efficiency. This Combination is still unbeaten. Maybe the new Taycan or Macan Electric
Love to see how this technology is applied in these vehicles and the range of companies producing them is a surprise to me. I suspect the reason is in the states, we are not availed to a lot of what is being produced overseas. That has all changed with the EV and one of these days I hope to get one. For now, I'll keep watching. All the best Bjorn. This was awesome to see.
The charging percentage is no good indicator for an end user but perfect from a technical perspective because the load always depends on the overall capacity. But to be fair, e-tron GT and EQS are a couple of years old, so you can expect some advantage of the other models. The most interesting fact is that it don't necessarily requires a 800V architecture to have fast charging.
Really made in Great Britain? According to wiki: "The Lotus Eletre was designed at the Geely Design Studio in Coventry and is produced in Wuhan, China."
wooosh sherlock
it will be exciting to see how high the degradation looks after a few years with the long high charging power.
Most people who buy these cars don't keep them longer than 5 years, so they don't care 😅
Quite large battery, so that helps, the C-rating doesn't need to be super high even tho the charge rate is high. More cells to share the charging power. But would be interesting to see the battery temperature during the charging session, if it's too high for too long that might cause degradation indeed.
This is true, though if one ends up charging at home most of the time, having the ocassional high speed on road trips might not do that much damage
Doesn't much matter for most people. Even with the possibility of speeds like this most people will still do 90-95% of charging at home at AC speeds (11kw or so). But the possibility will be massive on long road drips. Let's hope this will trickle down into lower price categories (40k€ and under).
It all depends on the temperatures. If it can keep the batteries under 50-52 Celsius then not much would happen.
This charging speed with an high efficient car would be... 🤯
Is there any way of hoping you could have a discussion about why the 800V batteries charge so fast?
In my mind the bottleneck should be heat generated from the actual cells, not current running through cables. And the C-rate for individual cells should be the same no matter if they are in a 400V or 800V battery.
The bottleneck is the 500A limit of CCS2 which at 400V limits the maximum charging power to 200kW.
Correct.
The individual cell recieves the same current regardless of pack architecture.
So 400 or 800 V only has influence on the cables and supporting hardware, but the connection to the individual cell is still the same.
The nickel based cells have around 3.7 V of nominal voltage, this is its intrinsic property. To charge a cell faster one needs to increase the current input.
Maybe they are using high power cells instead of energy cells? High power cells have higher porosity in the electrodes, thiner electrodes and thicker curent collectors but this decreases the gravimetric energy density.
@@EinzigfreierName500 A is not a CCS limit, but a hardware limit of the widely available cables. There actually exist a few 600/700 A chargers out there already
@@EinzigfreierName True. That makes sense when you are looking at the more extreme power levels >300kW that we see with the Lotus. But many of these 800V cars seem to be able to maintain a higher charging speed even at high SoC, though not at the level where it would be amp limited in a 400V setup.
As an example my old 800V Ioniq 5 could do >140kW at >80%, whereas my current 400V M3P won’t come close to that. On the other hand the Tesla can pull some crazy amps at low SoC and still get ~250kW.
@@madgaming3172 My thoughts exactly! Higher charging speeds should probably be attributed to cell characteristics rather than the 800V architecture. Or possibly just putting the cells under high amounts of stress, and risking degradation over time.
Mind blowing charging speed 🤯🛸👽
Shame there's no time/charge% graph. So it goes 2-32% in 7mins and then another 30% in 9mins then 62-82% in 8mins. Not much point charging past that.
Bjorn, how about dividing the charging curve with battery size? Comparing the cars would be so much simpler!
look good on paper, interesting how this will affect battery health in long time...
I think i saw one on the road today, was from far, but this shape is hard to mis
This is not a car we will/can afford to buy, but it is so exciting to imagine it will be maybe a standard in 5 or 10 years !
Impressive
Chinese CATL new battery packs are great compare to competitors .
Does this use the qilin batery pack?
@@alexandruilea915 don't think so, that is only known to be used on Zeekr 001 (and maybe 009 mpv?) currently
2:50 Audi E-tron charges over 100kW past 80%
10 minutes for 45 kwh... Insane
Why? At this efficiency it's around 110-130 miles max of driving range recovered. Multiple other evs do that without even needing 800v architecture or a 350kw charger. 🤔
@@4literv6 in the old days, charging took soooo long, at 75 kw for example. In 10 minutes you get a coffee and a pee, and there so much distance added. With my m3 we would not finish lunch before we got the notification: ready for next trip.
4:10 Combined with the relatively good consumption the Lotus is the clear bargain so far for the year.
Rant: It is really beyond me how this channel is still only at 300k subs. I know YT is changing the algorithms, but still...
Just imagine it's cousin the Zeekr 001 which has even better efficiency, and can be optioned with the new massive 140 kWh Qilin battery pack, and while not as nice and luxurious as the Lotus, it only costs half the price of the Eletre.
Awsome result. This should give a 1000km challenge time with only 7 more minutes than the model S!
Olympics for electric vehicle charging 🙃
Finally mentioning what really matters... the KWh rate. Now just replace these somewhat meaningless charts with KWh over time. Plz?!👏
Made in Wuhan China if I understood their website info correctly. I'm looking forwards to you having an Eletre for a longer series of tests. I think it's now my new dream EV.
82kwh in 21 min 🤟💪🤟
Insane
@@Blasterxp capacitor car 😎
Excellent, Would be nice to see charge times though.
It's in the middle of the screen.
115 kWh recharge into a 104 netto capacity battery from 2% ? Is this the downside of the 800V System. Do you get more losses even with lower Amps ?
Crazy fast, but this can't be healthy for the battery in the long run?
how is the consumption?
Because if u charge so many kwh, for making the same range of other cars, i'm not sure that will be a plus.
Hi Bjørn. When is Rivian coming to Norge???
Björn, How about adding information on average sharging power at the end. It could be the famous kWh/h-avg =D
Looking forward to see you test the Mercedes Benz EQE 500 SUV and how it performs in aspects. Will it come any time soon?
I would guess the pauses in charging is due to to the bms calculating and balancing the cells… could be wrong tho
Daaammmn that might be my next car after the E-Tron GT in 2025...
Awsome! 🎉
So, it's the best EV you ever tested, Bjoern?
Efficiency and weight was not super good in Björns first test though. Would be interesting to see it in the 1000km challenge
I can't say for sure yet. We still need to put it through 1000 km challenge, cold weather, etc.
@@sallerc Of course not, it's an SUV after all. Sedans rule lol.
How fast is charging possible on Tesla Supercharger?
Interesting times! Would like to see this with the Koreans and a Tesla in the mix. Does the Tesla V4 Supercharger fully support 800V architecture?
first pictures of V4 showed voltage rate 0-500V up to 631A. Max output power 250kW.
So yeaaa they are around 4 years behind
@@furTronthat's because it's V3 cabinets combined with V4 stalls
Xpeng G9 4C version can take 430kw
Hey!!! I7 charged only 63kwh during The session! Check The numbers!
It bugged. Check the video again.
Any MSRP?
BMW did charge 47min 63.2kWh Lotus did that in 15 minutes. Awesome
bro you're wrong.
The BMW session restarted. It was 22 minutes for the i7 to gain 63 kWh starting at 10%.
And the Lotus took 16 minutes to gain 63 kWh starting at 10%.
@@Evans_Man Oh. Ok. Thanks for claring that. I completely missed the restart of the bmw session
this might just be the fastest road tripping car to date @kyleconner should test
It seems weird that the i7 only charged around 70kwh in total out of the almost 100kwh battery capacity.
Charging session bugged.
35kWh went in before the charger re-zeroed, so add that to the final kWh number.
Is this the same speed as the korean? They have 77kwh batter vs eletras much bigger.
Korean cars charge at 3.1C whereas Lotus - at least in the video - at 2.9C
@@Scrap-press lotus should be able to get to 350kw. So might be same battery.
All those steps in the Lotus curve means there a lot left on the table. Can’t wait to see a curve like Tesla or EQS when it’s all said and done
Interesting that that this is the first Chinese built car that doesn''t charge like a dog...
Lotus engineers from UK must have been involved?
Xpeng g9 charge at 480kw
You should actually only do a race who gets the fastest to say 50 kW, and not to a percentage. Because the BMW maybe got to 99% faster, but the battery is 10% smaller than the Eletre. Also, quite disappointed with the Audi, given the smaller battery it doesn't even charge that fast.
*kWh
All spoken without taking a breath! Have you ever considered sports commentary?!
damn a charging beast
I wish my Tesla would charge that fast... When I reach 60%, I'm already down below 100kw
would this degrade the battery faster?
Holy macaroni
Awesome car!
The Audi starts at 10% and then takes almost 86 kwh in and is still at 97%? How can that be with only 84 kwh usable battery??
Charging losses
@@bjornnyland I did not realize that charging losses could be so high. Great video BTW.
LOTUS - lots of trouble usually serious………. With that charging rate I wonder how long the battery will last.
115kwh vs 103kwh vs 85kwh vs 63 kwh 🤦♂️
Yes, its made in Great Britain. As long as Geely can make sweet sweet money, customer is always right to believe what ever they think is reality.😬
this car made in wuhan china ,my Brother-in-law work for the company who build the lotus factory.
@@xiaoyang9758It seems to be a difference between facts and real facts... 😂😂😂
Eletre build only in china??
Maybe I have to sell my fat Taycan now? 😅🤷🏻♂️
If you get a good price for the Taycan, go for it! The Eletre is freaking awesome.
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Lotus is Geely. Geely is Chinese.
Sounds like a horse race at times
Hey Bjorn please make the best used cars in norway over 200k NOK
It is interesting that he counter for lotus shows that 115 kWh was charged to battery of 104 kWh capacity. (To 98%). This means like overall 15% loses...
The Eletre is way too slow above 84 % SoC. 😳 If you want to fully charge, you have almost no time advantage against 400 volt systems. I'm dissapointed.
made in china？
Of course
Percent is really a pretty meaningless metric to use for comparisons. kWh is much better, but really it’s driving range added which needs to be compared.
No, it's not. Because a bigger battery will get more kWh vs a small battery due to physics.
3:27
e-tron is better than EQS because it gets to 80% quicker….oh but wait EQS has added more kWh….
…but even just kWh for the sake of kWh are meaningless
NIO Go Home.
Nio battery swap takes 4 minutes
That must be New World record.
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