This is great news for me,, as I just built a 13th gen i5 system in the hopes of upping my CPU to an i7 or i9 in a few years when prices drop (along with a higher end GPU). Now I can go with a 14th gen chip instead for a hair bit more speed.
Take a look at RUclips video "Forget 14th gen - Intel 15th gen is the next big thing", by iVadim. It looks like the 14th generation is just another LGA 1700 pretty face.
It's a refresh, not really a "new gen", so it only makes sense that it'd be in the same socket. It's not a negative or a positive, it's just disingenuous to call it a "new gen".
@@pcworld You think Intel was going to screw themselves THAT BADLY after the 14nm+++++++ on multiple MBs and people getting very upset about it, when Intel was SUPPOSED to be on Intel 4 for both desktop and laptop for 14th gen and it was supposed to be Meteor Lake on BOTH??? No dude as soon as Intel changed their roadmap months ago most people should have known this Raptor Lake refresh was on LGA 1700, in fact I thought I remember Intel showing this somewhere already. If they put out a NEW incompatible LGA 1700 JUST for 14th gen, because 15th gen is going to be TOO different with it being Arrow Lake so IT will be on a new socket, OMG the negative comments would have been non-stop and AMD with Zen 5 would have eaten them alive. Even as it is they have to go in front of an audience if they dare, and announce this GREAT new REFRESH!!! HIGHER CLOCKS!!!
This is the first you knew, or the first time you felt that you could say it? Jesus dude, Intel confirmed their 14th gen for desktop was going to be a Raptor Lake refresh. I mean they put it on their roadmap months ago now. What else would it be on?????????
This is a Raptor Lake refresh. Intel is going to try to get 15th gen out ASAP because if they don't and AMD comes out with Zen 5 on time, which is Q1 2024, Intel is going to get eaten alive by AMD for desktop. Zen 5 is a new architecture and IPC gains alone are supposed to give it about a 20% boost. Of course that's going to be app dependent, but usually the bigger IPC gains tend to be in games. The only thing Intel will be able to do to try to compete other than minor tweaks is crank clock speeds even more and that's what all the rumors say will happen. Intel 15th gen is Arrow Lake for desktop. They SHOULD have been able to put out Meteor Lake on both desktop and laptop, but just like LAST time they moved to a new node, they're having problems rolling it out for high speed, acceptable power levels.
@@POVwithRC The shit matters dude. What MB maker would want to make a SINGLE gen MB that most people probably won't buy because they're waiting for Arrow Lake? Dick weed. If if was actually Meteor Lake MBs makers would be HAPPY to put out MBs because Arrow Lake would ALSO go on the same MB, and Arrow Lake is supposed to be an outstanding architecture. So no dude, the MB makers are GLAD they aren't going to asked to make a MB for a SINGLE gen Raptor Lake refresh. Sometimes you need to use your brain before you type.
Nice to see that some motherboards will get to sit in their cases longer before they have to potentially become e-waste. AMD pushed the envelope with AM4 with some caveats in regards to chipset compatibility, but it's good to see Intel following along and giving customers really good value.
This isn't what Intel WANTED to do. Go back about 1.5 years and look at Intel's desktop roadmap. 14th gen desktop was supposed to be Meteor Lake, but Intel as usual had a problem moving to a new node, and Meteor Lake needs to be on "Intel 4". Intel 4 is good enough for Intel to put out laptop parts which clock slower, but it's not good enough for desktop yet. Intel changed their roadmap a few months ago to reflect 14th gen desktop would be a Raptor Lake refresh and I have no idea why anyone would be excited by THAT. It's not worth the upgrade if you already have 13th gen. Even if you have 12th gen I don't know why you'd upgrade because it's going to eat much more power. And if you downclock it, well, why buy it? So this isn't Intel being nice, it's Intel being STUCK once again because of a process node issue, putting out a refresh instead of a new architecture on a new process node, and Intel is going to be smacked down by Zen 5, like badly. Intel is lucky AMD didn't move to THEIR hybrid architecture for Zen 5, at least not on desktop, they are for laptop.
It's disingenuous it call it three generations, it's clearly two generations and a stop-gap fallback 'refresh' because the real 14th Gen parts got either completely cancelled or heavily delayed.
I have a 13700k for my office pc and I like it. My gaming pc is a 5800x3d and it works great with my 3090. If you don't play modern AAA games then an intel i5 13500 with intel graphics would be a great general use pc that can do some light gaming. LGA 1700 works with both ddr4 & ddr5 ram, So if you have a lot of ddr4 ram then it's a cheap upgrade.
I'm thinking this is old news - I'm hoping for a bios update for my MAG z690 Tomahawk to support 14gen. I understand that the MSI Z690 Pro received an update in July to support 14Gen
I agree to the ‘_’ I don’t think whats coming isn’t a ‘next generation’ but just basically over clocks of existing products 😢 Cutting cost and trying to keep up with AMD vs leapfrogging 😅
lga 1700 will be legendary. it will live a long time specially the generations of cpu that goes with it are powerful and will still be significant after years to come
Gigabyte progress with DDR5 z690/z790 boards is impressive. lineup has better features and beefier build than ASUS and a lot higher stable DDR5 clocks than MSI and at the same time they are cheaper and more reliable.
Yeah, or all the other past 14nm+++++ releases. I don't even know why they put this video out. Intel has already said this was a Raptor Lake refresh, why the hell would it be on any OTHER socket? I mean when they can't even stick with their schedule they'd screw their customers by putting out a refresh on a new......... oh wait that's what they did with 14nm+++++. YEA Zen 5 is going to be a lot more exciting and so will Arrow Lake.
Sadly no, the reported increase in ipc is 3% from 13th to 14th gen. The 2600k to 3770k ipc increase was around 9%. The 7700k could be around 40% faster than a 2600k in some scenarios.
What about MSI compared to Gigabyte? Clear out what new Z motherboards for 14 th gen Intel is the true winners. For M2 harddrive and DDR5 RAM options and speed and input I/0 options.
I think i'm glad i went with an AM5 GIGABYTE X670E AORUS MASTER rev.1.0 MOBO, i put a Ryzen 7950X3D on it. And i'm hoping that when Ryzen 8000 comes out there will be a Ryzen 8950X3D or something like that. But what worries me is if there will be new chipsets and new AM5 motherboards. I really wouldn't want to change my motherboard just because i'd like to try and get " the latest and greatest " if i can't afford it, of course. I'm gonna try and start saving up again for next gen Ryzen and if there could be an " X770E " chipset or something like that. But i really really wouldn't want to hear that there will be a new chipset with new mobos. I really hope there won't be. What do you all think? Will there be a new " X770E " chipset and mobos with it for next gen Ryzen 8000?
Hi, i'm mainly a PC Enthusiast and really like hardware. Aside from that i mostly do gaming and some video recording and anything else that peaks my interest. It's always been a dream to upgrade and build a powerful PC. And it took me alot of patience and saving. Here's my specs if anyone's curious :) MOBO: GIGABYTE X670E AORUS MASTER REV.1.0 BIOS Version F13c latest CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D Cooler: 420mm AIO Arctic Liquid Freezer II ARGB RAM: 128GB 4x32 DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB running at 3600MHz CL30 GPU: PowerColor RX 7900 XTX Red Devil Limited Edition PSU: 1250W make " Segotep " model GP1350G fully modular 80+ Gold Storage Drives: 1x 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD KINGSTON NV2 1x 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD Crucial P1 1x 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD Intel 660P 1x 512GB Samsung HDD HD502HI PC Case: very old ThermalTake Overseer RX-I with 4x 200mm intake case fans and 1x 120mm exhaust Monitor: 1x GIGABYTE M32UC 32" 4K 160Hz VA panel Curved Mouse Pad: SkyPAD 3.0 XL Black Cloud logo Mouse & Keyboard: RAZER DeathAdder V3 Wired + HyperX Alloy Origin Aqua Tacticle Mechanical switches keyboard
I think this is a not so good news for both 12gen and 13th gen users owners too, why? 13th gen and 12th gen owners would not even see the reason to upgrade to the 14th gen. 15% max performance? Not so good. What's more for old cpu holders? This is a punch to the face. You'll likely regret upgrading to 14th gen after a year as 15th gen will be significantly better and has more upgrade path. 14th gen is a dead end for lga 1700. I'm part of the old cpu holders disappointed that I can't upgrade to a fresh platform that should have significant performance uplift than 13th gen, and better upgrade path. AMD on the other side does multiple generation support but it's much of a huge leap compared to intel.
Too little too late. I already bought AMD. Intel should have announced extended support for LGA 1700. Square package better than rectangle CPU bend. Shouldn't need aftermarket tools to fix manufacturing defects.
If you're buying new, you will want DDR5 at this point. Prices have plummeted to near DDR4 levels. There's also a significant performance difference when using these CPUs.
Sure if you want to even BUY it. It's a Raptor Lake refresh that they're going to push clocks even more than 13th gen. If you want an Intel system and don't have an LGA-1700 based system, just get a 13th gen CPU and pay less for it and save on the power bill. Or, wait for Jan 2024 and Zen 5 is going to beat the CRAP out of these systems thread per thread. Or, wait for Arrow Lake which should be an EXCELLENT system, along with Zen 6. Zen 5 will already be excellent but Zen 6 should build on it.
Considering the leaks... I'm not sure I would call Meteor Lake next-gen. It's a refresh of a refresh that's likely going to give us improvements that are borderline margin of error... save for the 14700K, for people that need and improvement in MC. Correction... I meant to say Raptor Lake refresh, not the cancelled Meteor Lake desktop chips.
It's NOT. And it's NOT even leaks dude. Intel updated their roapmap months ago to show 14th gen desktop is Raptor Lake refresh. If this was ACTUALLY Meteor Lake they WOULD have had to put out a new MB. Meteor Lake is MCM design, and Arrow Lake was supposed to build on that and use the same socket as Meteor Lake. So NOW Intel is in a situation to where they put out 15th gen Arrow Lake which was supposed to be the last CPU for whatever socket it's going on. So that will either be a one generation MB, or Intel is going to have to change their architectures past Arrow Lake.
@@johndoh5182 Yes, I screwed up and called it Meteor Lake, but that's the only thing I screwed up. Sorry... their naming has been a little convoluted with all the recent changes they've made. And yes, MSi leaked some of the specs on a video that they accidentally left as unlisted rather than private. They showed no core count increases on anything but i7 and we're seeing that these are probably going to have about a 3% increase in single core performance over Raptor Lake, which is borderline margin of error. So, I would hardly call this next-gen, as the video implied. As to Arrow Lake, if the rumors are true and Panther Lake and Beast Lake have the core counts people are speculating... Arrow might just be a single generation situation like Haswell/Devils Canyon. I have a feeling Arrow Lake is going to be a bit lack luster as well.
Exactly the same arch those 3 cpu series (like bulldozer to piledriver to excavator for AM3), so where is the hard to do? Intle has lost the leadership in the CPU market and try to gain marketshare by doing what they should be doing for ages. But they chose to milk customers. And they lost them when an alternative platform with good vfm and longevity arrived.
This is so out of touch. Overclocking is pretty much dead since about 5 years ago. It just doesn't make sense to use it for marketing anymore. Also, who the hell would think it's a bad thing to have 3 generations of CPU on one socket. You made it up.
Well, yes and no. I can undervolt and OC AMD CPUs. How much you can OC them is silicon lottery but I've easily gotten 200MHz on Zen 3 CPUs. I mean, that's like a default setting in AMD's Adrenaline software. Make one setting to undervolt/OC, system reboots and updates BIOS and for most CPUs it will take that 200MHz boost, and in fact it often makes the CPU core more consistent with their timings. Some won't take that, and you can go into Ryzen Master and it will do a default OC of 100MHz. But you can always go into BIOS yourself (it's what these software packages do after you make settings) and I'm VERY sure there are plenty of Zen 3 CPUs where you can get 300 - 400MHz added to their boost, and it's all-core boost, and once again this is first applying an undervolt so they still run very acceptable temps after doing this. I'm sure Zen 4 is the same but I don't run one so I can't say for sure what you can do with them. Where you get the biggest boosts are with the 65W TDP CPUs, or non-X variants so the 5600 vs. the 5600X. I can spend less getting the 5600 and boost it 200MHz and it's now a 5600X and my CPU temps are STILL around 70C running all-core, and those go up to 90C before they throttle.
And yes for Intel this IS actually a bad thing, because THIS 14th gen desktop is Raptor Lake refresh on Intel 7. It was SUPPOSED to be 14th gen Meteor Lake on Intel 4. So this IS bad. Like AMD is going to smash these CPUs with Zen 5 which is supposed to come out Q1 2024. I mean in gaming it won't even be a contest.
@@johndoh5182 Oh boy.... I don't care one bit if something is good or bad for a company. All I care about are good hardware deals, and having 3 gens of cpu on one socket is a good deal. You really didn't have to write an oc tutorial here, it's a waste of energy. We all have internet and we all know about this.
I'd call my 25%+ overclock on a 12400 (non-k) to 5.2Ghz (that's 1.2Ghz all-core up from 4Ghz) + AVX-512 enabled on a cheap MSI MAG B660M MORTAR MAX WIFI DDR4 mobo the best cheap and easy overclock in the last five years. Gotta agree that all Ryzen o/c's have all been a snooze-fest along with most of intel's other stuff in the last five years though.
@@DJNebaJS "Overclocking is pretty much dead since about 5 years ago" Not with AMD Brief enough for you? You're just wrong so that internet connection you have might be a little slow. Doing a 9600 BAUD moden? The internet is a good thing, but it requires people actually USE it. Both Intel and AMD CPUs OC just fine so you're OP is just a stupid ASS statement.
Raptor Lake-Refresh is NOT the same thing as an actual new generation!!! It's literally the same exact thing as Haswell's "Devil's Canyon" (ala i7-4790K vs the year before's 4770K) only this time Intel is trying to lie to the entire industry about what it actually is. 🤷 This won't even be a Kaby Lake level performance increase... +3% single-thread performance in a "new generation" IS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING PATHETIC!!!
GIGABYTE........LIKE Actually WTF..... why cant we get All white Awesome looking MOBO's Like this (X-670) AM5???!!! I am Tired of getting left over designs when Most of the world right now is ON AM5 & Not Intel CPU's .we all Know Intel only is now just starting to claw out of the basement so STOP BEING A HOLES Gigabyte !! I have 6 of GB MoBo's from Am3 up to AM5 but lately I am fed up with Intel getting all the cool WHITE MOBO'S & GPU's and if it wasn't for ASROCK & Hell-hound we would not even have any Cool White GPU's people have been wanting for years !@!! FACTS !!! OH B4 someone says Oh the B550 from this seller or that seller I know I have tried Mobos from 4 Vendors & even Imported a custom one from Norway and all are lacking the polish that some one MSI, GB, ASUS , EVGA ( man I miss them..THX again A Hole Jensen !! )
Adam is always on point. Easy to digest info when it's him.
Thanks for your clear enunciation; 2x speed works perfectly~
The next gen is just a refresh of the last. The difference between them is measurement tolerance at the same frequency.
This is great news for me,, as I just built a 13th gen i5 system in the hopes of upping my CPU to an i7 or i9 in a few years when prices drop (along with a higher end GPU). Now I can go with a 14th gen chip instead for a hair bit more speed.
And now we know that it’s barley an increase 💀
Take a look at RUclips video "Forget 14th gen - Intel 15th gen is the next big thing", by iVadim. It looks like the 14th generation is just another LGA 1700
pretty face.
👍 nice job Adam, thanks
The motherboard is gorgeous! If only they could do that with a motherboard that supported PCIE Gen 5 NVME M.2 drives.
This is good it means we dont have to spend so much when upgrading our cpu now its just a cpu and not a cpu plus mobo
"Next Gen" aka raptor lake refresh. Same architecture, just more E-Cores and slightly faster core clocks on P-Cores
And only more E-cores on the 14700K.
It's a refresh, not really a "new gen", so it only makes sense that it'd be in the same socket. It's not a negative or a positive, it's just disingenuous to call it a "new gen".
100%
Tell that to Intel 😅
-Adam
@@pcworld You think Intel was going to screw themselves THAT BADLY after the 14nm+++++++ on multiple MBs and people getting very upset about it, when Intel was SUPPOSED to be on Intel 4 for both desktop and laptop for 14th gen and it was supposed to be Meteor Lake on BOTH???
No dude as soon as Intel changed their roadmap months ago most people should have known this Raptor Lake refresh was on LGA 1700, in fact I thought I remember Intel showing this somewhere already.
If they put out a NEW incompatible LGA 1700 JUST for 14th gen, because 15th gen is going to be TOO different with it being Arrow Lake so IT will be on a new socket, OMG the negative comments would have been non-stop and AMD with Zen 5 would have eaten them alive.
Even as it is they have to go in front of an audience if they dare, and announce this GREAT new REFRESH!!! HIGHER CLOCKS!!!
Thanks Adam!!
3% more power guys
This is the first you knew, or the first time you felt that you could say it?
Jesus dude, Intel confirmed their 14th gen for desktop was going to be a Raptor Lake refresh. I mean they put it on their roadmap months ago now. What else would it be on?????????
Many companies have been rolling out Bios upgrades that include the capability to run these next-gen Intel chips for the last month or so.
I like Gigabyte more than any brands very good build and features hope the price is not high.
meh ..gigabyte customer service is trash.
I'm sure the board partners are not chuffed. They won't be able to rely on revenue from the next generation of Intel mandating a board swap.
This is a Raptor Lake refresh. Intel is going to try to get 15th gen out ASAP because if they don't and AMD comes out with Zen 5 on time, which is Q1 2024, Intel is going to get eaten alive by AMD for desktop. Zen 5 is a new architecture and IPC gains alone are supposed to give it about a 20% boost. Of course that's going to be app dependent, but usually the bigger IPC gains tend to be in games. The only thing Intel will be able to do to try to compete other than minor tweaks is crank clock speeds even more and that's what all the rumors say will happen.
Intel 15th gen is Arrow Lake for desktop. They SHOULD have been able to put out Meteor Lake on both desktop and laptop, but just like LAST time they moved to a new node, they're having problems rolling it out for high speed, acceptable power levels.
@@johndoh5182 OK cool bro. Stop yapping at me. I just said one thing about board swaps delayed. Did not ask for a thesis on architectural curiosity.
@@POVwithRC The shit matters dude. What MB maker would want to make a SINGLE gen MB that most people probably won't buy because they're waiting for Arrow Lake?
Dick weed.
If if was actually Meteor Lake MBs makers would be HAPPY to put out MBs because Arrow Lake would ALSO go on the same MB, and Arrow Lake is supposed to be an outstanding architecture.
So no dude, the MB makers are GLAD they aren't going to asked to make a MB for a SINGLE gen Raptor Lake refresh.
Sometimes you need to use your brain before you type.
@@johndoh5182 Also, stop being pants on head. Imagine thinking a board maker would want to sell less boards. Jesus.
I am pleasantly surprised. I thought my 790 was a dead platform.
Nice to see that some motherboards will get to sit in their cases longer before they have to potentially become e-waste. AMD pushed the envelope with AM4 with some caveats in regards to chipset compatibility, but it's good to see Intel following along and giving customers really good value.
This isn't what Intel WANTED to do. Go back about 1.5 years and look at Intel's desktop roadmap. 14th gen desktop was supposed to be Meteor Lake, but Intel as usual had a problem moving to a new node, and Meteor Lake needs to be on "Intel 4". Intel 4 is good enough for Intel to put out laptop parts which clock slower, but it's not good enough for desktop yet.
Intel changed their roadmap a few months ago to reflect 14th gen desktop would be a Raptor Lake refresh and I have no idea why anyone would be excited by THAT. It's not worth the upgrade if you already have 13th gen. Even if you have 12th gen I don't know why you'd upgrade because it's going to eat much more power. And if you downclock it, well, why buy it?
So this isn't Intel being nice, it's Intel being STUCK once again because of a process node issue, putting out a refresh instead of a new architecture on a new process node, and Intel is going to be smacked down by Zen 5, like badly. Intel is lucky AMD didn't move to THEIR hybrid architecture for Zen 5, at least not on desktop, they are for laptop.
It's disingenuous it call it three generations, it's clearly two generations and a stop-gap fallback 'refresh' because the real 14th Gen parts got either completely cancelled or heavily delayed.
Just call it what it is: Alder Lake++
I have a 13700k for my office pc and I like it. My gaming pc is a 5800x3d and it works great with my 3090. If you don't play modern AAA games then an intel i5 13500 with intel graphics would be a great general use pc that can do some light gaming. LGA 1700 works with both ddr4 & ddr5 ram, So if you have a lot of ddr4 ram then it's a cheap upgrade.
Why are PCIE slots being made of metal? Who is actually seeing them break? I don't get it.
This all sound nice, but I’ll stick with MSI.
Wish MSI would make a white board like this one
I'm thinking this is old news - I'm hoping for a bios update for my MAG z690 Tomahawk to support 14gen. I understand that the MSI Z690 Pro received an update in July to support 14Gen
I agree to the ‘_’ I don’t think whats coming isn’t a ‘next generation’ but just basically over clocks of existing products 😢
Cutting cost and trying to keep up with AMD vs leapfrogging 😅
That SSD heatsink though on the Xtreme wtf
14th gen is not really a next gen, just 13th gen in disguise. Intel is still 2 CPU designs per socket.
Well, one generation and 2 refreshes. 14th gen didn't go as planned.
The only interesting raptor lake refresh part is the 14700k. All the others seem boring by comparison. And where is meteor lake desktop ?
this board has five M.2 slots?! wow
lga 1700 will be legendary. it will live a long time specially the generations of cpu that goes with it are powerful and will still be significant after years to come
14th gen is just rebranded 13th gen. This is effectively a 2 generation platform at best.
GPU generational increase wipes the floor on Intel and AMD.
NVIDIA will launch a new GPU series every three years now, CPUs are getting new chips every year
Gigabyte progress with DDR5 z690/z790 boards is impressive.
lineup has better features and beefier build than ASUS and a lot higher stable DDR5 clocks than MSI
and at the same time they are cheaper and more reliable.
Nice little low profile 4060
Seriously hope this is not the case
Very cool. Glad to see the support around that GPU slot
You mean cpu 😂
@@JasonB808 no. The "armor" around the PCIE slot
@@techieg33k It's overkill. A waste of metal.
@@DJNebaJS yes it is. Still nice to see just the same.
Gigabyte GPUs: lemme break the pcb anyway
Here’s to hoping that gigabyte will fix their horrible coil whine issues that their z690 and z790 boards have. Not holding my breath though.
X670 has coil whine too 😂
Yeah yeah, looking good etc. but where's the damn USB4 already...
I guess this upgrade will be as exciting as going from a 2600K to a 7700K!
Yeah, or all the other past 14nm+++++ releases.
I don't even know why they put this video out. Intel has already said this was a Raptor Lake refresh, why the hell would it be on any OTHER socket? I mean when they can't even stick with their schedule they'd screw their customers by putting out a refresh on a new......... oh wait that's what they did with 14nm+++++.
YEA
Zen 5 is going to be a lot more exciting and so will Arrow Lake.
Sadly no, the reported increase in ipc is 3% from 13th to 14th gen. The 2600k to 3770k ipc increase was around 9%. The 7700k could be around 40% faster than a 2600k in some scenarios.
Five M.2 slots?
What about MSI compared to Gigabyte?
Clear out what new Z motherboards for 14 th gen Intel is the true winners.
For M2 harddrive and DDR5 RAM options and speed and input I/0 options.
I think i'm glad i went with an AM5 GIGABYTE X670E AORUS MASTER rev.1.0 MOBO, i put a Ryzen 7950X3D on it.
And i'm hoping that when Ryzen 8000 comes out there will be a Ryzen 8950X3D or something like that. But what worries me is if there will be new chipsets and new AM5 motherboards. I really wouldn't want to change my motherboard just because i'd like to try and get " the latest and greatest " if i can't afford it, of course. I'm gonna try and start saving up again for next gen Ryzen and if there could be an " X770E " chipset or something like that. But i really really wouldn't want to hear that there will be a new chipset with new mobos. I really hope there won't be. What do you all think?
Will there be a new " X770E " chipset and mobos with it for next gen Ryzen 8000?
What are you using it for?
If you upgrade so often that your motherboard is still useful then you are likely upgrading before you need to.
Hi, i'm mainly a PC Enthusiast and really like hardware. Aside from that i mostly do gaming and some video recording and anything else that peaks my interest. It's always been a dream to upgrade and build a powerful PC.
And it took me alot of patience and saving.
Here's my specs if anyone's curious :)
MOBO: GIGABYTE X670E AORUS MASTER REV.1.0 BIOS Version F13c latest
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D
Cooler: 420mm AIO Arctic Liquid Freezer II ARGB
RAM: 128GB 4x32 DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB running at 3600MHz CL30
GPU: PowerColor RX 7900 XTX Red Devil Limited Edition
PSU: 1250W make " Segotep " model GP1350G fully modular 80+ Gold
Storage Drives:
1x 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD KINGSTON NV2
1x 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD Crucial P1
1x 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD Intel 660P
1x 512GB Samsung HDD HD502HI
PC Case: very old ThermalTake Overseer RX-I with 4x 200mm intake case fans and 1x 120mm exhaust
Monitor: 1x GIGABYTE M32UC 32" 4K 160Hz VA panel Curved
Mouse Pad: SkyPAD 3.0 XL Black Cloud logo
Mouse & Keyboard: RAZER DeathAdder V3 Wired + HyperX Alloy Origin Aqua Tacticle Mechanical switches keyboard
💩
I think this is a not so good news for both 12gen and 13th gen users owners too, why? 13th gen and 12th gen owners would not even see the reason to upgrade to the 14th gen. 15% max performance? Not so good. What's more for old cpu holders? This is a punch to the face. You'll likely regret upgrading to 14th gen after a year as 15th gen will be significantly better and has more upgrade path. 14th gen is a dead end for lga 1700. I'm part of the old cpu holders disappointed that I can't upgrade to a fresh platform that should have significant performance uplift than 13th gen, and better upgrade path. AMD on the other side does multiple generation support but it's much of a huge leap compared to intel.
You are representing and employed by a magazine company. Should you be promoting Gigabyte board?
Basically one generation and 2 refreshes
Easy latch has nothing to do with the CPU socket 🫤🤦♂️
"Next-Gen"
4 dimm motherboards are Garbo only 2 dimm boards are worth the money
Too little too late. I already bought AMD. Intel should have announced extended support for LGA 1700. Square package better than rectangle CPU bend. Shouldn't need aftermarket tools to fix manufacturing defects.
the 14gen intel CPU uses same socket but also support DDR4? Thank you!
If you're buying new, you will want DDR5 at this point. Prices have plummeted to near DDR4 levels. There's also a significant performance difference when using these CPUs.
@@Trifler500 Thank you for the headsup !!!
Sure if you want to even BUY it. It's a Raptor Lake refresh that they're going to push clocks even more than 13th gen. If you want an Intel system and don't have an LGA-1700 based system, just get a 13th gen CPU and pay less for it and save on the power bill.
Or, wait for Jan 2024 and Zen 5 is going to beat the CRAP out of these systems thread per thread.
Or, wait for Arrow Lake which should be an EXCELLENT system, along with Zen 6. Zen 5 will already be excellent but Zen 6 should build on it.
@@johndoh5182 Either way, you want DDR5
@@johndoh5182 Thank you for the advices!
clickbait, 14 gen is refresh not new, ubsubbed
Finally a white pcb
Considering the leaks... I'm not sure I would call Meteor Lake next-gen. It's a refresh of a refresh that's likely going to give us improvements that are borderline margin of error... save for the 14700K, for people that need and improvement in MC.
Correction... I meant to say Raptor Lake refresh, not the cancelled Meteor Lake desktop chips.
It's NOT. And it's NOT even leaks dude. Intel updated their roapmap months ago to show 14th gen desktop is Raptor Lake refresh.
If this was ACTUALLY Meteor Lake they WOULD have had to put out a new MB. Meteor Lake is MCM design, and Arrow Lake was supposed to build on that and use the same socket as Meteor Lake.
So NOW Intel is in a situation to where they put out 15th gen Arrow Lake which was supposed to be the last CPU for whatever socket it's going on. So that will either be a one generation MB, or Intel is going to have to change their architectures past Arrow Lake.
@@johndoh5182 Yes, I screwed up and called it Meteor Lake, but that's the only thing I screwed up. Sorry... their naming has been a little convoluted with all the recent changes they've made.
And yes, MSi leaked some of the specs on a video that they accidentally left as unlisted rather than private. They showed no core count increases on anything but i7 and we're seeing that these are probably going to have about a 3% increase in single core performance over Raptor Lake, which is borderline margin of error. So, I would hardly call this next-gen, as the video implied.
As to Arrow Lake, if the rumors are true and Panther Lake and Beast Lake have the core counts people are speculating... Arrow might just be a single generation situation like Haswell/Devils Canyon. I have a feeling Arrow Lake is going to be a bit lack luster as well.
Of course it will………because Intel has nowhere to go with its’ present architecture. Intel needs to start innovating. AMD is crushing Intel.
Exactly the same arch those 3 cpu series (like bulldozer to piledriver to excavator for AM3), so where is the hard to do? Intle has lost the leadership in the CPU market and try to gain marketshare by doing what they should be doing for ages. But they chose to milk customers. And they lost them when an alternative platform with good vfm and longevity arrived.
lol 3 generations
Next gen is just a lame refresh
~3% improvement lmao
thanks MSI
This is so out of touch. Overclocking is pretty much dead since about 5 years ago. It just doesn't make sense to use it for marketing anymore. Also, who the hell would think it's a bad thing to have 3 generations of CPU on one socket. You made it up.
Well, yes and no. I can undervolt and OC AMD CPUs. How much you can OC them is silicon lottery but I've easily gotten 200MHz on Zen 3 CPUs. I mean, that's like a default setting in AMD's Adrenaline software. Make one setting to undervolt/OC, system reboots and updates BIOS and for most CPUs it will take that 200MHz boost, and in fact it often makes the CPU core more consistent with their timings. Some won't take that, and you can go into Ryzen Master and it will do a default OC of 100MHz.
But you can always go into BIOS yourself (it's what these software packages do after you make settings) and I'm VERY sure there are plenty of Zen 3 CPUs where you can get 300 - 400MHz added to their boost, and it's all-core boost, and once again this is first applying an undervolt so they still run very acceptable temps after doing this.
I'm sure Zen 4 is the same but I don't run one so I can't say for sure what you can do with them.
Where you get the biggest boosts are with the 65W TDP CPUs, or non-X variants so the 5600 vs. the 5600X. I can spend less getting the 5600 and boost it 200MHz and it's now a 5600X and my CPU temps are STILL around 70C running all-core, and those go up to 90C before they throttle.
And yes for Intel this IS actually a bad thing, because THIS 14th gen desktop is Raptor Lake refresh on Intel 7. It was SUPPOSED to be 14th gen Meteor Lake on Intel 4.
So this IS bad. Like AMD is going to smash these CPUs with Zen 5 which is supposed to come out Q1 2024. I mean in gaming it won't even be a contest.
@@johndoh5182 Oh boy.... I don't care one bit if something is good or bad for a company. All I care about are good hardware deals, and having 3 gens of cpu on one socket is a good deal. You really didn't have to write an oc tutorial here, it's a waste of energy. We all have internet and we all know about this.
I'd call my 25%+ overclock on a 12400 (non-k) to 5.2Ghz (that's 1.2Ghz all-core up from 4Ghz) + AVX-512 enabled on a cheap MSI MAG B660M MORTAR MAX WIFI DDR4 mobo the best cheap and easy overclock in the last five years. Gotta agree that all Ryzen o/c's have all been a snooze-fest along with most of intel's other stuff in the last five years though.
@@DJNebaJS "Overclocking is pretty much dead since about 5 years ago"
Not with AMD
Brief enough for you?
You're just wrong so that internet connection you have might be a little slow. Doing a 9600 BAUD moden? The internet is a good thing, but it requires people actually USE it. Both Intel and AMD CPUs OC just fine so you're OP is just a stupid ASS statement.
Ew gigabyte
First!
Raptor Lake-Refresh is NOT the same thing as an actual new generation!!! It's literally the same exact thing as Haswell's "Devil's Canyon" (ala i7-4790K vs the year before's 4770K) only this time Intel is trying to lie to the entire industry about what it actually is. 🤷 This won't even be a Kaby Lake level performance increase... +3% single-thread performance in a "new generation" IS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING PATHETIC!!!
GIGABYTE........LIKE Actually WTF..... why cant we get All white Awesome looking MOBO's Like this (X-670) AM5???!!!
I am Tired of getting left over designs when Most of the world right now is ON AM5 & Not Intel CPU's .we all Know Intel only is now just starting to claw out of the basement so STOP BEING A HOLES Gigabyte !!
I have 6 of GB MoBo's from Am3 up to AM5 but lately I am fed up with Intel getting all the cool WHITE MOBO'S & GPU's and if it wasn't for ASROCK & Hell-hound we would not even have any Cool White GPU's people have been wanting for years !@!! FACTS !!!
OH B4 someone says Oh the B550 from this seller or that seller I know I have tried Mobos from 4 Vendors & even Imported a custom one from Norway and all are lacking the polish that some one MSI, GB, ASUS , EVGA ( man I miss them..THX again A Hole Jensen !! )
@Intel 🤝 @FutureFarming1
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