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punpun was genuinely a good person before everything happened. he was extremely sympathetic and felt genuine guilt with that volleyball dude. and just in general, he was a good kid who just wanted to help. i think the most simple contrast you can make between punpun and guts is that punpun was weak to his trauma and guts was strong to his. i mean, just imagine having to go through everything punpun went through. you might not turn out as shitty as punpun, but you can understand him.
Yeah true PunPun is definitely a good person before his downfall, he had a lot of poor things done to him and it was pretty terrible that he inflicted it on others. If you wanna talk more feel free to join the discord discord.gg/ahPzvpp2cK
punpun live was not that bad its like avg human ngl and i cant even call him a goid guy after all that, lts not speak about his family knowing how good his uncle was like how can get that bad with such a uncle
@dero811 an average human doesn't have an abusive mother, a terrible person of an uncle, being SAd and rpd by said uncles fiance, nor does an average human witness death nor suicide of their loved ones. You would need to be smoking the biggest pipe to think that an average humans life is comparable to punpun. Also his uncle wasn't a good person at all, have you actually read the story?
I really appreciate the thoughtful way you were careful not to say that Guts couldn't be redeemed but that "redemption had a different value" for Guts, whereas Punpun fell short in many ways (unfortunately) Guts is still working through the hard times he's been given.
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Something I’d like to add is that what separates Guts and Punpun is action and responsibility. Guts took action against those that hurt him and strives to protect people while Punpun pushes them away and then hurts those that he does foster a relationship with. The point here is that you can’t allow yourself to become a victim and you gotta stand up for yourself and those that care about you. Another factor is purpose Guts has honed his craft in becoming a swordsman while Punpun threw away his purpose and work as a mangaka when he was troubled. So while Guts and Punpun are broken protagonist Punpun is pathetic because of his self destructive actions when he could have chosen otherwise while Guts is admired because he shows human perseverance in body mind and soul as he overcomes demons from within and without.
Exactly. You get the point. It’s all about how each character reacted to the trauma which influence them to become the adult they are now. Guts chose to not inflict harm while PunPun did
honestly, gut’s whole world is so absurdly evil sometimes that you kinda feel numb to it. Like gut’s whole journey of finally having the courage to have well meaning relationships coexists with a horse that 🍇’s ppl. You just feel overstimulated to the point of buzzing it out. With punpun, you can see that kind of trauma in a friend that never came out of it.
Not really the only time the evil really got numb was the section with the goblins(or orcs I can't remember) that were kidnapping women to foster kids.
I think another important difference is Guts has an outlet for his negative emotions, ie battle, whereas Punpun living in modern life can’t really go out and start swinging swords. Also Guts has a strong crutch: Casca, whereas Punpun doesn’t have a casca, his love interest is the same person ruining him
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Every time am pissed or feel like doing something I shouldn't, my Guts like instinct to suffer and strive to better myself kicks in, instead of damaging myself further
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I cried reading Berserk and I cried reading Punpun. Gosh, I related so much to both characters. Both well written with their own flaws and how they live their lives with all this hardship.
Both mangas are really touchy and sensitive at parts and really are a lot to read! I’m glad you relate to them as that gives you a deeper connection with the stories being told
Have you finished Punpun? Punpun felt redemption after Aiko's death. He is now surrounded by people that loves him and cares for him. He took responsibility for the wrong doings he did and he using that to push him in the right direction
I did finish goodnight PunPun. He didn’t experience a traditional sense of redemption. You have to ask yourself, did he truly find peace and did he make up for his mistakes? He clearly didn’t. Sure at the end we see some panels were he’s happy but we don’t explicitly get a clear resolution on what he’s doing with his life now, so we can’t clearly say he redeemed himself. If you want to talk more about this you can join the discord: discord.gg/ahPzvpp2cK
He didn’t take responsibility for shit. He tried to kill himself at the end, only to not die because his friend/fwb/potential GF was there to save him. He was a pathetic character.
I kind of laughed at the difference in character design on the thumbnail, but I was interested so I clicked on the vid and I love your commentary 🙏🙏 very smooth watch and enjoyed it a lot 👍
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I like a lot the themes of this video and how it makes them so significant connections between the characters through the trauma they suffered, but I have to disagree and signal some things. I believe you are putting Guts on a pedestal, I understand and agree that Guts are two ways to react to trauma, but you have painted a lot of self-destructive behaviors that Guts has as virtues and it isn't like that. Redemption for Guts never began until he came back for Casca and spoke to Godo, he himself never thought about his quest for vengeance as a way to be redeemed, he only did it to isolate himself and his pain in the same way Punpun does. Guts never appreciated his loneliness, he only learned how to live with it. A lot of the skills he got were while being in the company of others, and the times he isolated himself were because of the same avoidance as punpun, directly or indirectly. He may have left the Hawks to find his own purpose but it only was because he didn't deemed himself worthy of being Griffith's friend, he left Casca after the eclipse as told before and he treats both the daughter of the slug count and Jill like an asshole. It must be understood that Guts is human just as it is repeatedly reminded in his manga and no matter how strong he gets he will always be vulnerable to this horrible situations. My take on this matter is that the key difference between both characters resides in how they perceive good and evil. It is important to understand this since is a theme touched in both mangas heavily. Punpun explores a lot the saying "The path to hell is paved with good intentions" as we see how Punpun evolves from a kid who only wants good things for him and his fellows to someone swallowed in self-pitty, frustration and self centered desire to express pain. The reason for this is something I believe many overlook while reading Punpun, and it is very simple. While Guts focused on surviving and showed the goodness of his heart when it got out of him, Punpun focused on being a good person. And it is easily reflected on what the people that like him, that truly like him and wish the best for him say. At the very end of the manga his father regrets not teaching Punpun to be a little more selfish. When Sachi meets him at his apartment for the first time she tells him to stop living swallowed in himself and the comfort he got in torturing himself for his past actions. She talks him about how she decided to leave the past, how she found purpose even in simplistic desires and how she doesn't care about what people think about her, and she did it because she KNEW that Punpun DOES care about what others think of him and deeply worries about how he can hurt others. On the complete opposite side, Guts never burdened himself with the unecessary obligation of following "The righteous path", he never had the luxury to do so. This is showed explicitly during conviction arc and it is one of the main dynamics of his relationship with Farnese. While everyone was leading themselves to doom in the tower convinced that following the instructions of Mozgus blindly to be right would save them, Guts simply was straight forward. He fought all the obstacles in the way to save Casca and that's it. When surrounded by the spirits that consumed everyone he needed the help of those around him and he told Farnese without a second thought that she needed to stop praying and start acting to help herself.
What i think about pun pun is , he has more insatiable lust in his life . Which always comes back at it him disappointing in life, unlike him , Guts choses to suffer in his life for casca and his revenge.
@@saicharan.durusetti yup for sure Saicharan. I don’t really see guts having lust, compared to PunPun atleast and that was one of the reasons that led to his downfall. If you wanna talk more, feel free to click the link and join the discord down below, I’d love to have you there buddy
@@Grawswald OMG YOUR HIM!? The man, the myth, the legend. I heard so many rumors about you and your accomplishments. I can't believe a high-value man like yours decided to join the discord. Kingshadow is really something else; he only attracts smart and well-mannered people. Thanks to him, I got enlightened. I'm so glad that you decide to speak with a lowly being as of myself, sir Gray.
@@KingShadows1 are you guys too far ahead of me.. why don't you acknowledge gray he literally hunts down monsters and swings a giant swords around not to mention he trains everyday without resting but sadly I heard some rumors that a guy named Narrator manage to destroy his reputation they said gray was the fastest typer and most active member but suddenly an unknown challenger approaches and took the title of "shadow Knight" from his grasp it's very tragic..
Strongest " i want to make ur life miserable" fan vs weakest " I won't lose u again " enjoyer People look at punpun and either intentionally or not just say" he is literally me" despite him doing some horrible stuff But none try to become a better person or atleast strive to be one like how guts become post conviction arc(except demons and sword part , how he handled his PTSD)(yes he tried to force himself on casca, but he backed off fast and regretted it to the point that ,for the first time, he made friends with Farnese and serpico)
Yup I agree! Lots of people relate to PunPuns downfall but can’t relate to the redemption of Guts. It’s not a bad thing to relate to PunPun along with his suffering, but trying to find away to piece back your life is also something others should look forward too.
him forcing himself on casca was a result of the demons possessing his negative emotions if i remember correctly. There wasnt even only himself to be blamed there
One inaccuracy. It is not so much that Casca lost her memories than it is that, she had regressed mentally from the sheer shock, horror, and otherworldly influences from the Eclipse that, she could not longer trust men. She has her memories but they were sealed as a defense to keep herself alive. I would highly recommend finishing Berserk when possible. Because you're missing out on a large section of the journey Guts goes through to save Casca once again by restoring her mind. Otherwise, an interesting comparison video however, I feel the editing could improve a little more visually speaking. Since without context of the story to Berserk, connecting what is being spoken to the visuals don't fully match up. Especially when you skip over aspects to Berserk that feel wrong when listened to. Notably when you reference the vow Guts makes in the cave you completely omit not only the Beast of Darkness but you also fail to mention that Casca ran away. One last point that I sort of disagree with and that is the reason Guts is alone. I feel you stopped reading a bit too soon to cover that topic regarding Guts' lonesome circumstance. If you reached Falcon of the Millennium War I think you would've worded and structured that segment a bit better. Otherwise you are not too far off of what does happen. I won't spoil it but, the hardship Guts goes through being alone are for a variety of reasons that was demonstrated quite well not just during Black Swordsman but also Lost Children. The reason is simple: Guts doesn't want to involve innocent people in his carnage if possible. Even during his darkest moments in Conviction the lengths he went to in order to not only protect but also end the life of a monster eventually created the most ambiguous and nefarious character in Berserk itself. The Beast of Darkness. Do keep reading Berserk, you're only about half way there if this video is anything to go by. I feel the video did Guts a bit of a disservice given the complex nature of Berserk as a whole but I also feel like you did Good Night PunPun a disservice as well in spite of the fact I am not familiar with the story. I think for comparisons like this it would be wise to try and broaden as much of the characters as you can with better examples than what was used here. Otherwise I do not disagree with the video as a whole but a few elements that I am a bit too familiar with. Keep working on your editing; in scripts and video.
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Amazing video an amazing deconstruction of the archetype; Will say, I feel you heavily overlooked the context of their situations overall. [After writing all this my god this was longer than I thought] Punpun, born into modern day Japan and Guts in medieval fantasy. The worlds they live in greatly shaped the kind of people they are. Guts became a soldier and a swordsman well trained in combat while Punpun led a pretty average life until his 20s. Also the relationships and the gender of the people that raped them also severely impacted their respective development. Donovan is a man within the unit who overpowered a 9 year old Guts; Midori is Punpun's Aunt-in-law and guilt tripped him (then 14 or 15) into letting himself get raped to make her feel better. Guts got revenge on Donovan by getting him to fess up and he killed Gambino, although it didn't help him a lot it was something. Punpun couldn't do anything, he was an average teenager who was severely traumatized by his Aunt who called the experience a graduation gift. He couldn't do anything, out of fear of losing something important he had to bottle it up. Being raped by a woman (worse yet a; technically; family member) especially as a teen irreversibly damaged him it instilled helplessness and a desire for control. I don't remember much of Berserk from that point specifically but after a while Punpun declared he was going to live alone and had a chat with his uncle Yuuichi who told him to make sure, no matter what, he needs to take responsibility for his actions, that he's in control of what he does with his life. This is where I believe Punpun had his turning point; he had spent some time alone and even managed to get a pretty good friend group but those words stuck with him. So when Aiko came, he ran. He ran after her like the world was falling behind him. He was at rock bottom but he managed to bury down through it thanks to Aiko compounding his destructive behaviour because she's just as broken. Then came the pinnacle of his destruction, his ultimate desire for control, him reaping what he had sown and doing something to save Aiko. That's when the horns came he finally took control. But he had sown the most poisonous weed he could've imagined which he reaped in chapter 139.
The only thing I wanted to add was that Punpun didn’t really have his life together with Sachi, throughout that arc he was putting his walls up and said to himself how it’s easier to pretend to be his neighbor rather than facing his own problems, but once Aiko sat next to him the mask he was wearing broke and he began his fall into madness
I'm up to Chapter 48 of PunPun. It's kind of disturbing how both PunPun and Aiko want each other as the only one in their life. Yes, we all need to help each other with the shit we all experience. But essentially being a sole crutch for someone else is too much for anyone. It's the definition of codependency.
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It hits on some real shit and gets super heavy but that's all the more reason you should read it, don't be afraid to be emotionally affected by things. It's fun and can lead you to some important thoughts
If you struggle with suicide idealization or very bad depression, I suggest you don’t read it. The manga is a self destruction rabbit hole and it will be super easy to be envolved by pun pun’s emotions.
i genuinely believe the end of punpun was the beginning to his road of redemption. or i want to believe so. based on my own life, which, while not as murderous or death filled as punpun's, is pretty similar. i dont want to go into detail, but one night, i attempted to end my life. you can take a guess as to what happened lol. but for a few months, it was harder than before i tried, but failing is what made me realize that i had to get better, and it gave me the drive to do so. punpun at the end no longer appears with the little bird, nor the bullhorns, or the black head. in his attempt to take his life, he killed his "god" or the one that he believed was tormenting him for so long, his self doubt. after i almost died, i realized that i shouldnt take life so seriously. i believe he's reached that point at the end. and if anyone's thinking about replying, i dont want you guys to start it off with a "sorry for your attempt" or anything like that. ive had enough of it lmfao. i dont tell anyone nowadays because i hate hearing their sympathy.
I’m glad you’re not playing a victim card. Although I am still sorry you had to go through that. You did get up off your ass and got back to it. Good on you Cerb. If you need anyone to talk to I’m here. Life is so worth living.
@@KingShadows1 That's because it actually helped me understand these characters on a much deeper level, the intricacy behind everything and the quality of your video made everything easier to digest!
What if Guts' 7ft long sword also represents Guts keeping others at a distance from him? It's literally easier for him to carry the gigantic sword than to get close to others, friend or foe.
@@KingShadows1 Thanks King! It could be like the AT Field in Evangelion. A shield for the EVAs, but also a representation of what keeps us 'shielded' from each other and unable to let others get close. I.e. the hedgehog's dilemma, which the show explains. That, or Anno liked to get high when he was depressed and directing Evangelion.
@@KingShadows1 I'm also interested to read Punpun! But I know it fucks with your head. I won't make the same mistake I did with BoJack Horseman (another broken protagonist): binge whole seasons when they drop, and then binge liquor halfway into it!
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Oooh respectfully big disagree, the story is about struggling through life and finding meaning in it and those you care about. If he dies it can be a good ending but so too if he lives, it’s all about what meaning he has found at his death or for the rest of his life
Tbh my childhood was very similar to punpuns and I did react violently often to interpersonal turmoil with friend and family. Violence was how I solved conflict for awhile. It’s why I’m estranged from everyone now. Even my internal monologue is rabid. All stemming from me feeling like that little kid with no power. The only thing we can do is do better and be better..even if we fall a little short
I despise Punpun because it’s a story of characters who never go out of their ways to better or improve their lives but yet still get miracles given to them. Punpun, his uncle, his father, his aunt, they all get nice endings to their stories (mostly) despite putting no effort into themselves. Punpun only ends up where he is because a woman who he managed to become friends with realized that he needed someone to take care of him and decided she would be the one. SHE decides to go out of her way to put effort into a man who barely could do the bare minimum unless told to do so, but he gets the happy ending. It pissed me off so much reading the story because not once did I feel sympathetic for any of the main characters for any suffering they endured. They deserved worse endings because they never once tried to be better people.
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I think that's kinda the point, because that's how life is. Some get lucky and find those who can help them, and some don't and wallow forever. Life is neutral to what you do or don't deserve. Sachi's ex says something similar to you now that I think of it.
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punpun was genuinely a good person before everything happened. he was extremely sympathetic and felt genuine guilt with that volleyball dude. and just in general, he was a good kid who just wanted to help. i think the most simple contrast you can make between punpun and guts is that punpun was weak to his trauma and guts was strong to his.
i mean, just imagine having to go through everything punpun went through. you might not turn out as shitty as punpun, but you can understand him.
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punpun live was not that bad its like avg human ngl and i cant even call him a goid guy after all that, lts not speak about his family knowing how good his uncle was like how can get that bad with such a uncle
@dero811 an average human doesn't have an abusive mother, a terrible person of an uncle, being SAd and rpd by said uncles fiance, nor does an average human witness death nor suicide of their loved ones. You would need to be smoking the biggest pipe to think that an average humans life is comparable to punpun.
Also his uncle wasn't a good person at all, have you actually read the story?
@@dero811 is this a joke
what volleyball dude? you meant the badminton guy?
I really appreciate the thoughtful way you were careful not to say that Guts couldn't be redeemed but that "redemption had a different value" for Guts, whereas Punpun fell short in many ways (unfortunately) Guts is still working through the hard times he's been given.
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Something I’d like to add is that what separates Guts and Punpun is action and responsibility. Guts took action against those that hurt him and strives to protect people while Punpun pushes them away and then hurts those that he does foster a relationship with.
The point here is that you can’t allow yourself to become a victim and you gotta stand up for yourself and those that care about you. Another factor is purpose Guts has honed his craft in becoming a swordsman while Punpun threw away his purpose and work as a mangaka when he was troubled.
So while Guts and Punpun are broken protagonist Punpun is pathetic because of his self destructive actions when he could have chosen otherwise while Guts is admired because he shows human perseverance in body mind and soul as he overcomes demons from within and without.
Exactly. You get the point. It’s all about how each character reacted to the trauma which influence them to become the adult they are now. Guts chose to not inflict harm while PunPun did
Pulled right out of my mouth mate 😊😊
I would say Guts is definitely more unrealistic and less human than Punpun. He's in a literal fantasy manga.
@@viennasavage9110 fantasy sometimes can mimic reality
@@karan3658 It doesn't mean that it can supersede it. Only mimic.
honestly, gut’s whole world is so absurdly evil sometimes that you kinda feel numb to it. Like gut’s whole journey of finally having the courage to have well meaning relationships coexists with a horse that 🍇’s ppl. You just feel overstimulated to the point of buzzing it out.
With punpun, you can see that kind of trauma in a friend that never came out of it.
@@paperbag4477 true guts world is 10x worse than PunPuns but it’s better to acknowledge PunPuns world has terrible stuff going on in it too
Not really the only time the evil really got numb was the section with the goblins(or orcs I can't remember) that were kidnapping women to foster kids.
I think another important difference is Guts has an outlet for his negative emotions, ie battle, whereas Punpun living in modern life can’t really go out and start swinging swords. Also Guts has a strong crutch: Casca, whereas Punpun doesn’t have a casca, his love interest is the same person ruining him
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Every time am pissed or feel like doing something I shouldn't, my Guts like instinct to suffer and strive to better myself kicks in, instead of damaging myself further
W Phil. Keep pushing
Agni from fire punch deserves to be part of this conversation
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I understand that he deals with trauma but it feels way different to how these stories handle it due to the ending.(was contemplating spoiling it)
From someone who’s never heard of punpun the thumbnail looked so funny
Yeah it was suppose to be a funny contrast lol
The One Hundred Men Slayer vs. Birb
Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
@@davidzaydullin bro lol
I cried reading Berserk and I cried reading Punpun. Gosh, I related so much to both characters. Both well written with their own flaws and how they live their lives with all this hardship.
Both mangas are really touchy and sensitive at parts and really are a lot to read! I’m glad you relate to them as that gives you a deeper connection with the stories being told
@@KingShadows1 I wholeheartedly agree with you there. By the way, great video. That was a good analysis you did for both characters.
despite seeing 1000 of these berserk vids analysis like these are still intriguing. good video!
@@LocalLialec thank you LocalLialec!
OH FCK ITS THOSE TWO
@@Deflamed_Sphere HUH
@@KingShadows1 I mean Seeing those two in the same room is terrifying to see
if you knew their depressing story
Have you finished Punpun? Punpun felt redemption after Aiko's death. He is now surrounded by people that loves him and cares for him. He took responsibility for the wrong doings he did and he using that to push him in the right direction
I did finish goodnight PunPun. He didn’t experience a traditional sense of redemption. You have to ask yourself, did he truly find peace and did he make up for his mistakes? He clearly didn’t. Sure at the end we see some panels were he’s happy but we don’t explicitly get a clear resolution on what he’s doing with his life now, so we can’t clearly say he redeemed himself.
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@@KingShadows1yeah I think it's too late for him , he has completely lost interest in living unlike guts
Dawg, did we read the same manga? Its implied that at the end, bro is miserable.
@@asmodeusguys4472ikr, he did not redeem himself.
He didn’t take responsibility for shit. He tried to kill himself at the end, only to not die because his friend/fwb/potential GF was there to save him. He was a pathetic character.
I kind of laughed at the difference in character design on the thumbnail, but I was interested so I clicked on the vid and I love your commentary 🙏🙏 very smooth watch and enjoyed it a lot 👍
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I like a lot the themes of this video and how it makes them so significant connections between the characters through the trauma they suffered, but I have to disagree and signal some things.
I believe you are putting Guts on a pedestal, I understand and agree that Guts are two ways to react to trauma, but you have painted a lot of self-destructive behaviors that Guts has as virtues and it isn't like that. Redemption for Guts never began until he came back for Casca and spoke to Godo, he himself never thought about his quest for vengeance as a way to be redeemed, he only did it to isolate himself and his pain in the same way Punpun does.
Guts never appreciated his loneliness, he only learned how to live with it. A lot of the skills he got were while being in the company of others, and the times he isolated himself were because of the same avoidance as punpun, directly or indirectly. He may have left the Hawks to find his own purpose but it only was because he didn't deemed himself worthy of being Griffith's friend, he left Casca after the eclipse as told before and he treats both the daughter of the slug count and Jill like an asshole.
It must be understood that Guts is human just as it is repeatedly reminded in his manga and no matter how strong he gets he will always be vulnerable to this horrible situations.
My take on this matter is that the key difference between both characters resides in how they perceive good and evil. It is important to understand this since is a theme touched in both mangas heavily.
Punpun explores a lot the saying "The path to hell is paved with good intentions" as we see how Punpun evolves from a kid who only wants good things for him and his fellows to someone swallowed in self-pitty, frustration and self centered desire to express pain. The reason for this is something I believe many overlook while reading Punpun, and it is very simple.
While Guts focused on surviving and showed the goodness of his heart when it got out of him, Punpun focused on being a good person.
And it is easily reflected on what the people that like him, that truly like him and wish the best for him say.
At the very end of the manga his father regrets not teaching Punpun to be a little more selfish. When Sachi meets him at his apartment for the first time she tells him to stop living swallowed in himself and the comfort he got in torturing himself for his past actions. She talks him about how she decided to leave the past, how she found purpose even in simplistic desires and how she doesn't care about what people think about her, and she did it because she KNEW that Punpun DOES care about what others think of him and deeply worries about how he can hurt others.
On the complete opposite side, Guts never burdened himself with the unecessary obligation of following "The righteous path", he never had the luxury to do so. This is showed explicitly during conviction arc and it is one of the main dynamics of his relationship with Farnese. While everyone was leading themselves to doom in the tower convinced that following the instructions of Mozgus blindly to be right would save them, Guts simply was straight forward. He fought all the obstacles in the way to save Casca and that's it. When surrounded by the spirits that consumed everyone he needed the help of those around him and he told Farnese without a second thought that she needed to stop praying and start acting to help herself.
Yes! I will finish Berserk as I may have missed multiple things, thank you
Amazing comment
What i think about pun pun is , he has more insatiable lust in his life . Which always comes back at it him disappointing in life, unlike him , Guts choses to suffer in his life for casca and his revenge.
@@saicharan.durusetti yup for sure Saicharan. I don’t really see guts having lust, compared to PunPun atleast and that was one of the reasons that led to his downfall. If you wanna talk more, feel free to click the link and join the discord down below, I’d love to have you there buddy
@@KingShadows1insatiable lust is some of we all have , some will control it like guts , whereas punpun like people tho 💀
The video is so good i have to watch it while eating🙏
W Narrator! Thank you for supporting! Means a lot
Wassup narrator it’s me Gray
@@Grawswald OMG YOUR HIM!? The man, the myth, the legend. I heard so many rumors about you and your accomplishments. I can't believe a high-value man like yours decided to join the discord. Kingshadow is really something else; he only attracts smart and well-mannered people. Thanks to him, I got enlightened. I'm so glad that you decide to speak with a lowly being as of myself, sir Gray.
@@DevineCyber what did I just read..
@@KingShadows1 are you guys too far ahead of me.. why don't you acknowledge gray he literally hunts down monsters and swings a giant swords around not to mention he trains everyday without resting but sadly I heard some rumors that a guy named Narrator manage to destroy his reputation they said gray was the fastest typer and most active member but suddenly an unknown challenger approaches and took the title of "shadow Knight" from his grasp it's very tragic..
Strongest " i want to make ur life miserable" fan vs weakest " I won't lose u again " enjoyer
People look at punpun and either intentionally or not just say" he is literally me" despite him doing some horrible stuff
But none try to become a better person or atleast strive to be one like how guts become post conviction arc(except demons and sword part , how he handled his PTSD)(yes he tried to force himself on casca, but he backed off fast and regretted it to the point that ,for the first time, he made friends with Farnese and serpico)
Yup I agree! Lots of people relate to PunPuns downfall but can’t relate to the redemption of Guts. It’s not a bad thing to relate to PunPun along with his suffering, but trying to find away to piece back your life is also something others should look forward too.
him forcing himself on casca was a result of the demons possessing his negative emotions if i remember correctly. There wasnt even only himself to be blamed there
@@fishy9125 tbh guts mental health issues are tad bit worse than the bird , except guts know it and punpun doesn't
never thought id see a comparison between guts and punpun
Whelp, it had to be done.
I read Punpun but never saw that as the main reason why he developed a trauma
His mother was a victim to domestic abuse, she died. His father fled. He has been sexually assaulted. I mean it’s pretty evident the trauma is there.
@@KingShadows1 all of those events added up to destroy his childhood. Not only one one day
@@duncanchin yeah it destroyed his childhood. And he wrongly fully used that trauma and inflicted on others
@@KingShadows1 I agree
One inaccuracy. It is not so much that Casca lost her memories than it is that, she had regressed mentally from the sheer shock, horror, and otherworldly influences from the Eclipse that, she could not longer trust men. She has her memories but they were sealed as a defense to keep herself alive. I would highly recommend finishing Berserk when possible. Because you're missing out on a large section of the journey Guts goes through to save Casca once again by restoring her mind. Otherwise, an interesting comparison video however, I feel the editing could improve a little more visually speaking. Since without context of the story to Berserk, connecting what is being spoken to the visuals don't fully match up. Especially when you skip over aspects to Berserk that feel wrong when listened to. Notably when you reference the vow Guts makes in the cave you completely omit not only the Beast of Darkness but you also fail to mention that Casca ran away.
One last point that I sort of disagree with and that is the reason Guts is alone. I feel you stopped reading a bit too soon to cover that topic regarding Guts' lonesome circumstance. If you reached Falcon of the Millennium War I think you would've worded and structured that segment a bit better. Otherwise you are not too far off of what does happen. I won't spoil it but, the hardship Guts goes through being alone are for a variety of reasons that was demonstrated quite well not just during Black Swordsman but also Lost Children. The reason is simple: Guts doesn't want to involve innocent people in his carnage if possible. Even during his darkest moments in Conviction the lengths he went to in order to not only protect but also end the life of a monster eventually created the most ambiguous and nefarious character in Berserk itself. The Beast of Darkness.
Do keep reading Berserk, you're only about half way there if this video is anything to go by. I feel the video did Guts a bit of a disservice given the complex nature of Berserk as a whole but I also feel like you did Good Night PunPun a disservice as well in spite of the fact I am not familiar with the story. I think for comparisons like this it would be wise to try and broaden as much of the characters as you can with better examples than what was used here. Otherwise I do not disagree with the video as a whole but a few elements that I am a bit too familiar with. Keep working on your editing; in scripts and video.
Hey ScottE! Thank you for commenting this helps out the channel a lot. Yeah! I do need to finish reading berserk and I’m trying my hardest to right now so I can fully understand Berserk. I have my to improve on and learn and I am trying my best! Thank you for leaving positive and encouraging feedback. I will apply this to my next video
Hey ScottE! Thank you for commenting this helps out the channel a lot. Yeah! I do need to finish reading berserk and I’m trying my hardest to right now so I can fully understand Berserk. I have my to improve on and learn and I am trying my best! Thank you for leaving positive and encouraging feedback. I will apply this to my next video
@@KingShadows1 I wish you luck. I think you meant to say "much" instead of "my". A nudge in the right direction goes a long ways.
Amazing video an amazing deconstruction of the archetype; Will say, I feel you heavily overlooked the context of their situations overall. [After writing all this my god this was longer than I thought]
Punpun, born into modern day Japan and Guts in medieval fantasy. The worlds they live in greatly shaped the kind of people they are. Guts became a soldier and a swordsman well trained in combat while Punpun led a pretty average life until his 20s.
Also the relationships and the gender of the people that raped them also severely impacted their respective development. Donovan is a man within the unit who overpowered a 9 year old Guts; Midori is Punpun's Aunt-in-law and guilt tripped him (then 14 or 15) into letting himself get raped to make her feel better.
Guts got revenge on Donovan by getting him to fess up and he killed Gambino, although it didn't help him a lot it was something. Punpun couldn't do anything, he was an average teenager who was severely traumatized by his Aunt who called the experience a graduation gift. He couldn't do anything, out of fear of losing something important he had to bottle it up. Being raped by a woman (worse yet a; technically; family member) especially as a teen irreversibly damaged him it instilled helplessness and a desire for control.
I don't remember much of Berserk from that point specifically but after a while Punpun declared he was going to live alone and had a chat with his uncle Yuuichi who told him to make sure, no matter what, he needs to take responsibility for his actions, that he's in control of what he does with his life.
This is where I believe Punpun had his turning point; he had spent some time alone and even managed to get a pretty good friend group but those words stuck with him. So when Aiko came, he ran. He ran after her like the world was falling behind him. He was at rock bottom but he managed to bury down through it thanks to Aiko compounding his destructive behaviour because she's just as broken. Then came the pinnacle of his destruction, his ultimate desire for control, him reaping what he had sown and doing something to save Aiko. That's when the horns came he finally took control. But he had sown the most poisonous weed he could've imagined which he reaped in chapter 139.
00:30 the devil's trill in the background is a nice addition
Ahh thank you! I’m glad you caught that
The only thing I wanted to add was that Punpun didn’t really have his life together with Sachi, throughout that arc he was putting his walls up and said to himself how it’s easier to pretend to be his neighbor rather than facing his own problems, but once Aiko sat next to him the mask he was wearing broke and he began his fall into madness
Yeah good catch! I should’ve talked about that more.
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W video I can’t wait for the next one (it’s me gojothegoat in the flesh)
Ahhh gojothegoat! Thank you for watching and commenting, W
I'm up to Chapter 48 of PunPun. It's kind of disturbing how both PunPun and Aiko want each other as the only one in their life. Yes, we all need to help each other with the shit we all experience. But essentially being a sole crutch for someone else is too much for anyone. It's the definition of codependency.
Hey Alex! Chapter 48 is pretty far. Yup both always want each other but dread it when they do have each other.
So not only is this an amazing video idea but you're playing the Devil's Trill Sonatra?? Youre gettinga subscriber man, great video!
Oh no way hahaha I’m so glad you notice that. Join there discord and we can talk over there if you want man! Thank you again
I’m not sure if I could handle reading PunPun
@@Mashiro42 hi Mashiro! It’s definitely not for everyone, there are a lot of dark moments within the manga that can be sensitive for the readers, I suggest taking it one chapter at a time!
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It hits on some real shit and gets super heavy but that's all the more reason you should read it, don't be afraid to be emotionally affected by things. It's fun and can lead you to some important thoughts
If you struggle with suicide idealization or very bad depression, I suggest you don’t read it. The manga is a self destruction rabbit hole and it will be super easy to be envolved by pun pun’s emotions.
@@Nanitamochi true Nanita, it’s a very deep rabbit hole
Guts doesn’t need redeeming. He’s not the moral evil in his story, he’s far from it.
Last time I checked, you don’t need to be the “moral evil” to have a redemption arc.
Dammn bro, nice video!!!
@@luisalencar9346 Luis thank you very much!
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This video success and quality is because of my 1 second appearance at 1:00
Agreed
Thank you
No problem!
so its gonna be this kinda day, right bet.
@@clownsingularity oh what do you mean? Lol
i genuinely believe the end of punpun was the beginning to his road of redemption. or i want to believe so.
based on my own life, which, while not as murderous or death filled as punpun's, is pretty similar. i dont want to go into detail, but one night, i attempted to end my life. you can take a guess as to what happened lol. but for a few months, it was harder than before i tried, but failing is what made me realize that i had to get better, and it gave me the drive to do so. punpun at the end no longer appears with the little bird, nor the bullhorns, or the black head. in his attempt to take his life, he killed his "god" or the one that he believed was tormenting him for so long, his self doubt. after i almost died, i realized that i shouldnt take life so seriously. i believe he's reached that point at the end.
and if anyone's thinking about replying, i dont want you guys to start it off with a "sorry for your attempt" or anything like that. ive had enough of it lmfao. i dont tell anyone nowadays because i hate hearing their sympathy.
I’m glad you’re not playing a victim card. Although I am still sorry you had to go through that. You did get up off your ass and got back to it. Good on you Cerb. If you need anyone to talk to I’m here. Life is so worth living.
I like your videos
Thank Protox! Seeing these type of comments make me very happy.
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Goated video
Avatarsokka! You’re acc too kind, thank you for the comment
@@KingShadows1 That's because it actually helped me understand these characters on a much deeper level, the intricacy behind everything and the quality of your video made everything easier to digest!
@@avatarsokka5646 ahh no way, thank you. I do try my best and those comments make me work harder
Gyats just like me fr 😔
@@trickydicky5751 frfr
What if Guts' 7ft long sword also represents Guts keeping others at a distance from him? It's literally easier for him to carry the gigantic sword than to get close to others, friend or foe.
I never thought of that Alex! That maybe could be a deeper meaning for such a long sword, good insight.
@@KingShadows1 Thanks King! It could be like the AT Field in Evangelion. A shield for the EVAs, but also a representation of what keeps us 'shielded' from each other and unable to let others get close. I.e. the hedgehog's dilemma, which the show explains. That, or Anno liked to get high when he was depressed and directing Evangelion.
@@KingShadows1 I'm also interested to read Punpun! But I know it fucks with your head. I won't make the same mistake I did with BoJack Horseman (another broken protagonist): binge whole seasons when they drop, and then binge liquor halfway into it!
@@alexvaughan1013 oh really? I never watched Evangelion maybe ill give it a try
@@alexvaughan1013 lol trust me, punpun aint for the weak mind ill tell you that. join the discord and we can talk more over there
HIgh quality vid def subbing
Thank you Malek! It means a lot
Interesting comparison
Ah thank you. The comparison needed to be done
@KingShadows1 great job, thank you for this.
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Intreassting video.
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i think you should have held off on making this until finishing berserk... considering something that happens later
@@DiscoJeque ahhh maybe maybe.. I’m still in the process of finishing berserk
But who will win in a fight?
@@Avalos-Entertainment You already know! PunPu-
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Me
Guts will eat punpun for his breakfast food
@@karan3658 obviously lol
Midori is best girl
@@JUST_SOME_SHY_GUY what?
💀💀💀💀💀💀
Nah bro you don't know, you don't want it as much as you think, don't be like my boy punpun 💀
@@DOG_EATER_1887 Too bad Im into that shit
She's all yours.
Great video essay idea...analysis needs a bit of work....
Thank you for the comment! Yes I will continue on improving
@@KingShadows1 I didn't expect a reply, lol. Thank you. Keep doing your thing, and if you have any ideas or questions, I'd brainstorm with you...
@@AnthonyA1111 ah really
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Join the discord if that’s the case
just say one is bird and one is not and move on. bill aint that high
But there’s much more to the analysis. That’s why it’s a comparison video lol. Thanks for the comment.
Did punpun redeem himself? Tbh i still hate him lol
Dude, what!? Hahahaa
@@Rene_R what happened? Lol
Guts should die. If he survives, the manga was a waste.
I agree
His whole life revolves around killing grithith so it would make sense, but i hope before the final battle he finds a resion to live.
Oooh respectfully big disagree, the story is about struggling through life and finding meaning in it and those you care about. If he dies it can be a good ending but so too if he lives, it’s all about what meaning he has found at his death or for the rest of his life
@@mugenbop Agreed Mugen! It’s all about the meaning… only time will tell tho
@@mugenbopI think whether or not Griffith dies will make or break the ending. Not guts' death
"What do humans relate to is not Guts", says you. I relate to Guts.
I said we don’t relate to sword fighting! But you can definitely relate to guts
Tbh my childhood was very similar to punpuns and I did react violently often to interpersonal turmoil with friend and family. Violence was how I solved conflict for awhile. It’s why I’m estranged from everyone now. Even my internal monologue is rabid. All stemming from me feeling like that little kid with no power. The only thing we can do is do better and be better..even if we fall a little short
I despise Punpun because it’s a story of characters who never go out of their ways to better or improve their lives but yet still get miracles given to them. Punpun, his uncle, his father, his aunt, they all get nice endings to their stories (mostly) despite putting no effort into themselves.
Punpun only ends up where he is because a woman who he managed to become friends with realized that he needed someone to take care of him and decided she would be the one. SHE decides to go out of her way to put effort into a man who barely could do the bare minimum unless told to do so, but he gets the happy ending.
It pissed me off so much reading the story because not once did I feel sympathetic for any of the main characters for any suffering they endured. They deserved worse endings because they never once tried to be better people.
@@sullivandmitry1416 you’re statement I agree and disagree with! I do feel sympathies for characters like PunPun when he was a child, as he did get sexually abused but I don’t feel sympathy for him later because he did inflict that onto another person. I somewhat agree that PunPun was lucky to have Sachi and Aiko there for him but that just turned him into a bigger monster.
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I think that's kinda the point, because that's how life is. Some get lucky and find those who can help them, and some don't and wallow forever. Life is neutral to what you do or don't deserve. Sachi's ex says something similar to you now that I think of it.
@@DOG_EATER_1887 dog eater join the discord
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I seen your really active and talking in the comment, thank you for that !
Punpun already has the worst ending
Ehhhh, saying the characters had good endings seems like surface level analysis to me
I can elaborate