Packed Commuter Train Unexpectedly Plunges Into Street Below | Plainly Difficult
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On 3 May 2021, an overpass carrying Line 12 of the Mexico City Metro collapsed beneath a passing train. The overpass and the last two carriages of the train fell onto Tláhuac Avenue near Olivos station, taking 26 lives and injuring 98 others.
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It re-opened in January so you you might get to do a second vid on it in a few years :D
It would be good if you could look into the Granville Train Disaster in Sydney Australia. Really find your videos so interesting.
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A video about a disaster in MY city? How amazing
For real tho, this was a massive mess a couple years ago. Subway line 12, also, kind of ironically, called the "golden" line due to its color scheme, had issues from day one as you mentioned, all because of rushed construction and, unsurprisingly (sadly), corruption inside the Mexican government.
Common opinion is that the investigations were right and the collapse happened due to poor maintenance, improper building and good ol' negligence, but the political party currently in charge has a... Tendency of denying all wrongdoings.
Anyway, great video dude, I knew it was a matter of time before you'd end up covering this!
Hola!
I have family in Mexico, and I don't know CDMX nearly as well as I want to, but I *do* know that the subway system is kind of sketchy compared to other systems I've used, and better avoided if you have other options.
And yes, I have heard the tales of corruption, so that doesn't surprise me at all.
Overall though, your city is much more fun than mine, so you have that to enjoy!
@@thing_under_the_stairs subway is ok, it was left in disrepair for 18 years since ebrard administration, they just recently are doing much needed work to prevent another colapse in line 9 between stations Pantitlan and Puebla.
Mexican engineering is awesome but all buildings needs maintanance, something that was being neglected until just very very recently, only time will tell if Brugada invests or neglects our Metro.
Only had 1 issue using the metro. This was after midnight in Doctores and that was my fault for not getting a taxi.
Normal use is safe af, just be careful when twats board the train. Better to get off and wait for another than risk yourself
I don't live in Mexico but I got family and I travel there often, Matamoros area, and yes, they all tell me that it's highly corrupt. Heck, I got family that uses it to their advantage. Since the government is corrupt, my cousin bribes water workers and also the electric company to keep his cost low.
@@28ebdh3udnav Yeah, my sister and family have become fluent in the language of bribery too. Last time I was visiting I got to watch her bribe and flirt her way out of a speeding ticket. When I asked what her husband thinks of this, she shrugged and said that it's better than getting busted.
The Spanish balls got me.
My sister claimed the same thing when I became an uncle!
There must always be balls!
I laughed when I saw it and my boyfriend looked at me because I've been learning spanish... To ask me what it meant. Sir.... It.... Just say it out loud.
Bollas
Made me smile. Don't know why, just did.
I see rail accident, I click. Simple as
Happy days
Amen to that
You should cover the 1955 Le Mans disaster.
YES!
Oh no
the crash that changed Motor sport for ever.
Yes!
Yes! 😰
Video: testiculos
Me: dies of laughter.
Same
I came to the comments just to make sure I wasn’t the only one that noticed that! 😂
Unfortunately with this being Mexico, you know corruption is going to be involved. It just seems like the citizens can never catch a break
Soon to come to South Africa with its corruptocracy as well... 😢
Yes, doing anything in Mexico is an exercise in corruption, intrigue, and crass stupidity. But I don't feel sorry for Mexicans--they vote for this crap.
Rationalizing modernity is rationalizing that "citizen" is not a real demographic anymore. There are international government schemes frauding society and then there's the slaves keeping the show going.
@@emilschw8924 Its already all over the US where they have overrun the local population. I had to flee one city where the corruption was out of control. City hall was raided by the FBI due to widespread corruption. Seems to be part of their culture.
Kinda gettin' that way pretty much everywhere, not just the "developing" world...
lol I use that line every day xP (probably even today, tho)
Btw just to add to this great video Marcelo Ebrard (city major from 2006-2012. In this period, the line was built), Carlos Slim (oligarch and responsible for a great part of the construction), M. Ángel Mancera (major from 2012-2018) and of course, Claudia Sheinbaum (major during the disaster) should've been punished. Obviously with criminal penalties, but that didn't happen and impunity was granted. I also will remark that this event should've costed the political careers of these people, but that also didn't happen. Ebrard was close to be president during the MORENA pre-campaigns, Mancera is still there, shady, but still there, and Claudia is going to be our president. I don't understand why their political careers didn't end on 2021. And with Slim, well, oligarch; he has done worst things.
10:51 Claudia Sheinbaum is the President-Elect of Mexico. She takes office 3 days from now (October 01, 2024.)
I didn't realize that. Nothing about her election seemed off, nor is it remotely possible that she is incredibly corrupt. 😅
Underground, overground, wandering free... the wombles of wimballsup common are we...
A record for bingo card? No Mr Music tho? boooooooooo 😥
That might be, I can't remember any worse. We need a rating system for the bingo card, maybe start with five bingos = Abject Failure
Corruption? In Mexico? Nah! Couldn't possibly be...
what is bakshish in spanish? 😆
Yawn. I wish I could travel to 2060 so I could watch the documentaries on how capitalist corruption crashed the global social economy
Your winnings sir...😉
@@Tal-q3r In Mexico it's "mordita" and probably a few other names that I just don't know.
@@sootikins 🤔
TIL I learn the Spanish word for “Balls!”.
We actually use "bolas" for balls instead of "testículos" which means literally testicl es
@@samueldavila2156still wonderful
Balls in every language are one of the things I love about these videos.
I lol'd when that came out seemingly out of nowhere, should've expected it hah.
but if I were to be pedantic, I'd say the correct slang should've been "huevos" or "bolas"/"pelotas", depending on the region of Mexico you ask.
"Ah you found governmental oversight was a problem, I reject your reality and substitute my own." (Paraphrased and added too, but this isn't my own. )
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Can we download/buy the bingo card somewhere?
Take a screenshot. Print it.
Pretty sure he linked to it back when he first started including it. Check back over the older videos to find the first appearance of it.
Fun fact: Scheinbaum is now president-elect of Mexico. So this happened just before she ran for higher office. Might be the reason for the lawsuit against DNV.
Could well be. My sister lives there and says that so far she's no worse than any of her predecessors, but she hasn't been in office long either. In Mexican politics, it's always a wait and see situation.
I don't trust her
@@thing_under_the_stairs She hasn't been in office, period. AMLO is still president for two more days.
she was indirectly responsible, that's why she didn't accepted the investigation's results. Sheimbaum was protecting her friend Serranía, the director of Metro and acting chief of Maintenance. When the Command and Control Center burned because of disrepair, Sheinbaum protected Serranía again. I can only guess that was because the maintenance funds were going to Sheimbaum's campaign.
@@alejandram.c.5064 Well, now we all know how much more attention my sister pays to surfing than to politics! I'm going to have to have a word with the little hippie next time I see her.
Just a quick question: what is the difference between “warnings ignored” and “warning signs ignored” on the bingo card? it seems a little overlapping…
Two different criteria.
Expert: That will fall apart.
Corrupt politician/owner: Nah it'll be fine.
That's 'warning ignored'.
[Chunks fall off]
Corrupt politician/owner: Imma pretend I didn't see that.
That's 'warning signs ignored'.
The first is explicitly stated, and on public record; the second is observed phenomena.
I take it that 'warning signs' are things an expert would and should notice - and 'warnings ignored' is when warnings said by the said experts go ignored.
I would have thought more literally and said "warning signs" are the signs put up around a workplace warning people of dangers. Which are then ignored by the staff.
Ah, Mexico. Land of "la mordida" (the bite or a bribe). I lived in Mexico for a number of years, this video is not a surprise to me.
Maybe when the train became elevated it got scared and tried to get back into the tunnel LOL. Saying that Mexico is absolutely jam packed with corruption and political interference is one of the greatest understatements in all of history!
An accident that was quite preventable even from the time of the construction of line 12, especially knowing that almost all the rest of the network is pneumatic
I know someone that worked on that line. Apparently when the project was approved the engineers placed a budget and a timeline (lets say hypothetically 10,000,000 and 8 years to build). They had some of that budget paid upfront and ordered all the materials they needed and hired their own workers. After construction began suddenly it was asked to make it in a shorter timeline (6 years), so that the construction ended right before the current elected lead could step down. If they refused ll the materials and salaries would be out of the companys pocket. Elected officials wanted those bragging rights. But we all know construction doesn't work that way. To make it a shorter timeline the construction company skyrocketed the price, one to lead them away from that idea, and for them to have monetary compensation if something went wrong...
So yeeh
Hi. I'm from Mexico. I have been subscribed to this channel for some time now:), I have to confess that I really like the theme and the author's narration. The accident on line 12 of Metro CDMX was something horrible. That night the news documented the problem all night. I can confess that 3 years since that accident, even though the affected section was rebuilt, the line remains the same. It is poorly constructed and unfortunately the issue of politics is in this. It's good that you documented this entire case because it demonstrates the negligence and little interest of a government in building efficient public transportation.:(
Testiculos!
The closest to Bollocks that Mr P.Difficult could find 😉
Infrastructure: Do it right the first time, or do it right the second time.
For triple the cost.
Thank you John. I will say what you refrained from: proverbial Mexican politician corruption.
What's up with Mister Music, he not playing us out anymore?
called sick I suppose
This is exactly why the Seattle viaduct was taken down. It's terrifying that this could have easily happened there, too. Same with the unsafe "temporary" 520 bridge. Local government going "eh, good enough" and leaving temporary fixes as the permanent solution is aggravatingly common.
It's an unfortunate consequence of having too much power, too little responsibility, and the predatory nature of the construction business. If a government (local or national) commission a scheme which is not going to be completed within a couple of decades there is very little incentive for them to oversee the plans carefully. Conversely if they want it completed quickly, and any problems this may lead to are outside the current electoral cycle, they will just take whatever they can get. Throw in a lot of subcontracting to obfuscate the responsibility trail, and the constructor's natural desire to cut costs thus maximising profit, and every project is a disaster waiting to happen. Just as an example, although no-one got injured as a direct consequence, my former home town's council engaged a major company to build a large housing estate. In the planning proposal it was agreed with local residents that a primary school and community centre would be constructed to serve the area. However this clause was 'forgotten' when the contract was signed. Thus some five years later when people started moving in there was nowhere within easy walking distance for children to go to school or play. The only alternatives were along and across a very busy major road. Who was actually responsible? It's still being argued about two decades and several elections later. The assumption is either certain councillors were very incompetent or they took large backhanders from the builders to look the other way. Braintree, Essex, used to be quite a pleasant town.
I just got back from the Yucatan helping them construct the Tren Maya rail project. I am not one to criticize another country, but suffice it to say their sole objective is to finish construction. Hell with anything else involved- they just want it finished so the contractors can get paid and so forth. Everything that comes after is somebody else's problem. The workers are willing, but they have nothing to work with. Literally. They had no tools, no oil or rags, no jacks, no spare parts for machinery, nothing. But that railroad is getting cut through the raw jungle one way or the other. It was definitely one of the toughest work assignments I ever had for sure.
PD will be doing a segment on Tren Maya soon. Bank on it.
When you mix politics and engineering, the engineers always lose. It would be nice, if just for once, people listened to the people actually hired to do the job.
lol! Then what would us Engineers have to moan about?
@@RaglansElectricBaboon Pi. All engineers hate pi. Why do you think so many creations only have straight lines?
@@Scudboy17as an engineer, I agree Pi sucks, it's a royal pain in the behind.
It's probably not catastrophic enough for your channel, but when that tram bridge in Dresden collapsed like 1 or 2 weeks ago, i thought of you ^^
Yep, thought of that as well (I live in Dresden).
Could have ended very similar if it would have broken down minutes earlier
The line was so wrong because the Safety Director they hired, long-sleeved green shirt and orange vest, was not qualified for his work.
never caught one of these so early
enjoy it!
3:57 'testiculos' made me snort: it was so unexpectedly funny
My weekly dose of disaster is here! Have a great weekend, John and everyone!
This reminds me of the Monorail episode of the Simpsons
Government to DNV: You're hired to find the cause! Also, find a cause we like or we'll sue you.
Threatening the "Dread Norse Vikings" is never a good idea. Had to deal with these guys during ISO audits...they're relentless!
Meow meow
Cat dad of 8 reports my cats agree wholeheartedly!
pspspsps
@@Le_Comte_de_Monte_Felin My feline owners have some minor issues with the first point, but are in full agreement with the second.
*_'Gives headpats.'_*
Oh wow. First time I've ever seen a PD video fresh out of the wrapper!
‘Womble Assortment’ 😂😂
Congrats on the 1 million! Enjoy
Next time say cojones which means the same
Almost a full card! 🎉 Mexican politics at its best.
and sherimbaum will be president of Mexico until 2030, unless something good happens.
"Testiculos" lmao
Ms Scheinbaum, who buried vol 3 of the report, is now President of Mexico. What could possibly go wrong now?
It's Mexico, everything will be good.
....until it goes horribly wrong.
Another bedtime story via Plainly Difficult! Thanks for everything you do!
Why does that train remind me of the Oscar Mayer Weinermobile ?
Wienermobile
Ketchup and mustard train
I want a hot dog now
The best way to describe Mexican politics is with one word: CARTELS
What happened to Mr Music?!? MR MUSIC WE MISS YOU!!!
Another plain(ly) straightfward and informative video, that shouldn't be ... difficult for anyone to see!
Awesome as always!
Congrats. Love your videos and narration. Keep to the good work. Make sure to take care of yourself along the way. Your viewers will wait if you need time to rest ever. Here's to another million!
12:15 is something that I always used to tell my father before he passed. For being a man that spent decades in commercial roofing he sure didn't think gravity was a big deal late in his life but it was. First with lymphedema in his legs made worse by not elevating them properly when he sat & slept. And second with what ultimately what killed him was a fall where he broke his spine. In the end gravity won!
12:14 Also the words to a Radiohead song 'Gravity always wins!'
"act of god" honestly, the church should be held liable.
I see a set of points on the failed section, recon they'll be to blame
Mexico City is subject to continuous subsidence, mainly due to being built on a former lake and groundwater extraction.
I'm surprised that this was not mentioned.
What engineering measures were taken to minimise problems from this?
None. Because Mexico. Also, by law it should have had earthquake protection. It didn't either. Because Mexico.
BALLS!!
After the irreparable human casualties in this tragedy, the saddest thing about this story is that those truly responsible for the accident remain free of guilt... one of them will be named constitutional president in three days on.... the other will be secretary of economy; as for the other guilty ones….. impunity will forgive them.
And Tuesday, former mayor Claudia Sheinbaum will be sworn in as Mexico's new president.
Bringing a lawsuit against DNV (Det Norske Veritas) is ridiculous. They are one of the Worlds biggest and respected classification societies. If they say something is wrong, then I would believe them before a Mexican (or any nationality, for that matter) politician.
Eventually gravity always wins, sounds like something my Grandparents would have told me. Gotta love our elders wisdom. At least until we find *_we_* are the ones saying it! 😂
It was the story about things being rushed to make a mayor look good. That backfired on him.
"Alloo, Misser George"
I doubt it was an act of a non-existent god.
It was probably an act of ‘let’s take the money, and spend 5% on actually building the railway. By the time it falls apart from shoddy construction I will be long gone.’
It is supposed to be ‘spend 95% of the money on the constructions, and make a nice 5% profit.’
money went into politician's pockets and campaigns
The Real Slim Shady
That was bad and easy to prevent. As you said I don't think I have ever seen the Bingo card that full. Thanks for posting....
the complain of Sheinbaun(governor of mexico city at the time and now president) was because she was competing for the presidential election and her stronger competition was Ebrad (the governor that built the linea 12), the first 2 installment sattacked Ebrad (from same political party) and thus she was happy but third one attacked her thus she refused to accepted it. One note, she installed as head of the subway and also as head of maintenance a very close friend of the president (a 2 in 1 position) and cut almost all maintenance, siphoning it to the election. That is why there were several fire/explosions and accident during her term, something that never happened before.
and now, the person responsible for this is the new president. Sometimes I hate living in Mexico.
Ebrard no va a ser presidente (no me agrada Claudia, aclaro, pero pues hay que señalar a todos los responsables, en especial al wey que la construyó).
3:56 Bollocks!
This was posted at the exact same time as RMTransit's video titled "How Elevated Rail Makes Cities Better"
Thanks for another great report. Now I also have learned the Spanish word for balls.
Gravity always wins
I’ll remember that
It always got Zapp Brannigan
@@rrice1705I came as quickly as I wanted to.
I literally saw the video on the news when it happened.
👍🏻🇬🇧👀...
" you : you cant parkthere !😊
Gravity is a harsh mistress. The Tick
Amazing screenshot at 14:20
It’s nice seeing John finally looking into this subject, since is like the perfect Plainly Difficult video.
yay im early
Aight as a Mexican living in Mexico City let me clarify that last part and why Claudia Sheimbaum (the now president elect of Mexico, to be sworn into office this Tuesday October 1st) decided to sue the company doing the report; Her party and assosiates have been in power of Mexico City from the start of this century. First with political party "PRD" and then with "Morena" which is now the rulling party. So, they can't shift the blame on anyone else but themselves if the company doing the study finds that maintenance wasn't being done. That's why they needed to dismiss the claim that they didn't do their job asap. And they needed to secure the presidential candidates at that time, giving them a clean record. So the blame was on either Marcelo Ebrard (previous mayor, from PRD party, and briefly considered a candidate) or Claudia Sheimbaum, now president of the country. You can guess already blame was put on the former.
🤣🤣🤣 It didn't go unnoticed that because this is in Mexico, your normal gag where someone in the situation says "Balls!" has become "Testiculos!" 🤣🤣🤣
Bravo! 👏👏👏
I'm having a hard time understanding the stud situation. Shear atuds or Nelson studs are stick welded without the ceramic ring or gun welded instantly with a very foolproof trigger system using the ceramic rings which are then knocked off before concrete. But neither technique reduces the welding surface if done properly.
Fascinating they engaged DNV, as this would make hiding corruption impossible…
Well, that was a huge bag of bollocks. Welcome to Mexico. Was corruption involved also? You had a glory hog politician who wanted it finished whilst he was still in office so he could bask in the glory of it. Then you had a poor design, untrained welders who didn't have a clue..... Just how do you weld ceramic???? I'm not a welder, and even I know you can't do that. Then you had a succession of bodge job repairs, and it is built on an earthquake zone with an elevated track!!
Mexican broad gauge. Jenna Ortega!
Mexican studs. Danny Trejo!
You could consider covering the Nicoll Highway collapse in Singapore, 2004. Also involves both trains and structural failure.
Eventually gravity always wins... Sir Isaac Newton is undefeated..
'Mixed Womble Assortment' was the highlight of my day - thanks for your continuing disaster channel.
Hello from Hurricane ravaged Upstate SC, finally started getting enough cell phone reception to watch YT vids at last and I'm enjoying with this video
You have to be a drug lord such as Joaquin Guzman in order to afford the budget to build tunnels....
SATURDAY ALREADY ....this ones a nightmare of the highest order. i will never tske an elevated train in mexico 😅
I think you should start teaching your daughter to respond to, "What's a bastard?" with "Gravity". I think this would make her smile. And horrify others. Win-win!
I wasn't in the city when this happened, but my friend was, and I was just laying on my bed when my friend messaged me about the collapse and I was super scared because that IS the train he took for getting home.
Sleepers are also called railroad ties. The stud welding can use ceramic ferrules that should be chipped off so the weld can be inspected. When we did this we had to stick weld with 7018 if the original process looked less than great.
An almost full Bingo card! But where is Mr Music playing us out, John?
I'm no English genius, but "Cities" is the plural of "City". Shouldn't it be "City's" in the thumbnail? I first thought you were going to talk about the transit system of many Mexican CITIES.
Can you do the case of the building "space" on Medellin, Colombia?
That bingo card tho... Jebus ._. What *didn't* go wrong!
I got a cousin in Nuevo Laredo, across from Laredo, who is an engineer. Mexicans have a sense of humor where he makes fun and chucks at engineering defects and mistakes he can spot on buildings, roads, and bridges, etc. BTW, mexicans use the term "eggs" or "Huevos" to describe a man's private area.
For example, like an insult to somebody else, here in the U.S. we say, "you dont have the balls!", while in mexico its used as, "no tenes Huevos!"
Back in 2015 I was in Mexico City as a tourist. After a night at plaza Garibaldi I took a cab back to my airbanb. As I was talking with the cab driver, he explicitly warned me not to ride metro line 12. He warned me Marcelo Ebrard’s government had skimmed off the materials and it wasn’t safely constructed. At the time I didn’t think much of it because metro line 12 doesn’t travel anywhere a tourist would really want to go to. Neither where I picked up the cab or got dropped off were anywhere near metro 12. Sure enough that taxi driver was correct.