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@@PlainlyDifficultThe load-bearing steel cables for the ropes course at my summer camp (which was around 30+ feet up in the trees) were capable of holding way more than 15 people (per segment). The camp director's reasoning was simple: if you're spending the money to construct the thing in the first place, and the risk of failure is death, probably better to use cables rated for loads well beyond any the course would actually handle. Then you don't have to worry about pesky things like "is the friction from the karabiner rubbing against the cable for the zip line going to result in a detective asking me difficult questions?" And so he thought "Hmm, I think we'll go with those thick steel cables over there". Always stuck with me as a sensible approach lol.
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Orginal capacity of a 150 year old bridge 15 people, increased to 20, then 125. That sounds suspect just on its own. Then letting 200-500 people on it is just absolute insanity.
If youve worked with Indians before, it's not even slightly surprising. Western governments do this too, like when they reevaluate dams and conclude that they probably have 20 years instead of 5 years to make repairs, but they always leave a buffer, at least in the recent past. India is actually a lot like the US, just intensified in every shared aspect to the highest degree. They are a mishmash of a slew of different cultures with lots of different languages, they have ENORMOUS government bureaucracies that only get bigger and put more layers between a problem and a person who can demand the problem be addressed being created every year. To cut this short, it is very hard to mobilize a bureaucracy with infinity competing interests and chasmic cultural differences, language barriers, etc, to do anything. It's too hard to enforce orders all the way from the tier of leadership the order is given at all the way down to the execution of that order. So, as a result, lots of people in India take the easier path in the interest of keeping their jobs, getting elected, being lazy, who knows, and simply change the data, alter the result. This is why their trains crash all the time. Why people still bathe in that big river and end up with necrotizing fasciitis. Why there is fecal matter on literally every surface in Delhi. Just easier to find a way to declare the problem a non problem.
@@markrobinson9956 why name and shame, the idiots already got the Darwin Award. Unfortunately, a lot of innocent people wound up having to receive the "unlucky" Darwins Award.
On the other hand, anybody making such a bridge needs to EXPECT people to try to make it bounce and sway, because some absolutely are going to. Especially since walking in step, and swaying, can happen as a natural consequence of bridge motion interacting with people walking, even with zero intent to do it. Once it starts swaying, the natural reaction is to walk in time with the sway, which can add to the swaying. Search for the video "2000: 'Wobbly' Millennium Bridge Closed Days After Opening", and go to the 22-second mark. You'll see people doing this exact thing.
@@ManMountainMetals But they _should_ be horrified it broke, cuz there should never be a case where the posted limits are actually the literal limits. There should always be a factor of safety to prevent critical failure. Like if a fire marshal decides 100 people can safely exit a room in a certain amount of time for it to be safe, the room limit is still gonna be 80 people or so cuz you know ±20% are gonna act a fool while tryna evacuate.
@@ManMountainMetals mmmm no, that's definitely giving "but racism" vibes. The bridge survived long before with an appropriate safety factor "even in India", but I don't think logic is gonna make much of a difference here.
@@WalkiTalki To be fair, at least one incident affected both Airbus and Boeing. Both commercial sectors of those companies are a joke of DEI initiatives and hiring people base on race and gender rather than skill. Its only a matter of time before airbus is continually in the news as well for failures.
Yeah, while the company owning the bridge is definitely at fault for poor maintenance and letting too many people on the bridge at the same time to make profit, people actively trying to demolish a bridge they themselves were standing on kinda had it coming.
This is the major flaw with the human brain , it suddenly decides to forego the idea of keeping safe , and instead thinks let's see how much we can rock the bridge before it falls, while stupidly thinking that it will never fall. You see it all the time , you can put signs up about wet paint , and some twat will put their hands on to test it . I think that bridge was destined to fall at any stage , rocking it just brought it forward, but they made it heavier and didn't make the cables stronger , so it was already an accident waiting to happen, it might have lasted a year with just normal use , but as soon as heavier flooring was put in then it marked it for disaster. I'm not hugely intelligent, but I'm often left smh at how bad humans are at using common sense. It's vastly underrated, if it was used more then accidents like this would be a bit rarer.
India has an inexhaustible supply of man-made disasters, enough for a whole new channel, but I fear the causes will in most cases be the same. Poorly designed, poorly constructed, poorly maintained, poorly managed, and huge crowds of people doing something daft.
@@christopherg2347 not certified ticked already another field on the bingo table. I agree to a certain degree that the upcoming festival is a hint for time pressure.
In Germany is actually a law that forbids marching on bridges due to the fear of swinging and subsequently collapse of bridges. I am always amazed how a few people walking simultanesly on a structure can cause big swings leading to a bridge collapse.
@@Tuck-Shop It's funny because you're talking about something from 80 years ago when the US and much of the world is goose-stepping towards fascism right now.
The stupidity of people can be exhausting. Rebuilding the bridge and not beefing up the support cables. Allowing far more people on it than the max capacity. People intentionally jumping and rocking back and forth to test the integrity of a bridge...over a river. Wow.
It would cost more. But yes, refurbishing the walkway, and making it heavier in the process, without doing anything about the cables was incredibly stupid.
@@russlehman2070 You're looking at it from the perspective of logic and "doing a good job." Try looking at it from the perspective of "I'm going to pocket everything I don't spend."
@@stevenchan3822 India's approach to wastewater treatment would make a long video. The big clean up of the ganga was entrusted to public servants and professors from a big university.
@@ttttttttttttttttist ironically ganga was the cleanest in a long time during the pandemic when factory activity was at it's lowest and after a very long time water was clear and my dude, rivers pumped with sewage is the norm everywhere, including america where "Each year, more than 860 billion gallons of this vile brew escapes sewer systems across the country. That’s enough to flood all of Pennsylvania ankle-deep. It’s enough for every American to take one bath each week for an entire year." yes the same rivers american households are served water from after filtration, you literally drink filtered piss and shit.
I feel horrible for the innocent people, but the ones jumping up and down fucked around and found out. Wish idiots trying for Darwin’s didn’t bring innocent people with them.
A foot bridge is usually designed for 20% more load per road area than a motorway bridge, because sooner or later, people will crowd together. A bicycle-only bridge can be built for 6X less load, because bikes can't pack easily.
This happened in a town called Heber Springs, Arkansas, close to where I grew up. There was an old suspension bridge across the river, that was a historical site, and only used for pedestrian traffic. You could stand on it, and feel it swing back and forth. My senior year, 1989, a church group stopped to walk across the bridge. Despite posted signs that clearly stated not to swing the bridge, they decided to see how much they could make it move from side to side. The inevitable happened as the old metal suspension cables snapped, and the bridge fell like the one from Temple of Doom. It killed several, and practically everybody else sustained some type of injuries, many serious.
So, just before the bridge collapsed, some of the people were deliberately trying to sway and bounce the bridge?....Hats off to those Darwin Award winners.
Apparently Oreva spent only 16 lakh or around 19,000 USD of the 2 crore rupees allocated for repairs (2 crore is 20 million rupees or around 240,000 USD). You have to wonder if Oreva pocketed the rest.
Yup. It’s the death knell for safety. Private companies never care as much about a property as its owners, especially when the property is a publicly funded piece of infrastructure owned by the government. So sad to see a bridge that had outlasted extremes of weather, more than a hundred years, various political changes, and the tromping feet of likely millions of people over its history brought down by greed and stupidity. There was no news coverage of this in my part of Canada, despite there being a large number of immigrants from India who have come to live here.
IMO the problem isn't so much that a bridge is being maintained by a private company but that there was no government oversight that would have mandated inspecting the bridge. Here in the US private companies build and maintain all sorts of infrastructure but that is done under the guidance and inspection of state and municipal governments. All government owned bridges in the US have to have safety inspections every two years. Apparently that wasn't the case with this bridge in India.
@@leeriffee4606 Well, it is India - it’s a different vibe there than in the rest of the world. Watch a few RUclips DIY videos that are obviously coming out of that country - they reuse any and all rusty, broken, damaged and hideous looking ‘building materials’ all the time. For example, let’s look at nails - they gather a handful of bent and rusty nails, and then spend hours and hours and hours pounding them straight and sharpening the point. Surely, a pound of nails costs less than what they pay some guy to squat over a chunk of steel and bash nails with a big rock. It’s great they are recycling, but some of what they are using really isn’t worth using.
Corruption is one of the primary drivers of big business in India. One can easily pay a fee to government officials to, "please disperse...nothing to see here." Perhaps corruption should be on the bingo card.
I think you are confuse. it only opened so quickly because it didn't seek outside oversight the local government didn't even know it was open until after the collapse
Your onscreen conversions to the Imperial System for everyone here in ‘Murica is *greatly appreciated John!* It makes it so much more enjoyable to watch and understand. Cheers 🤘
Perfect example of greed outwaying common sense. They increased the weight of the footplate, failed to secure it to the cables correctly, didn't upgrade the cables for the increased weight, didn't even bother repairing worn cables, and then increased foot traffic from 25 at a time to 200?! I sincerely hope those responsible are held accountable!
Any company contracted by a government is no longer just a private company. The people that awarded the contract to that company pocketed a piece of it themselves.
More and more, I am able to anticipate the results of the investigation as well as guessing the Disster Scale. Have a great weekend, John! (and anyone else who reads this)
As others have stated in the comments, I'd add "Time Pressure" to the bingo card, since someone higher up in the chain in that company most likely wanted the bridge opened before the festival. I mean, it's a toll bridge, and they were getting all the money. But otherwise, I agree with you, as usual! :) Great video about a horrible incident that I hadn't heard of before. Thank you for that! You make some of the best videos on RUclips, in my world, and I really appreciate the time you must put into all of this, so thank you again! Hope the rest of your weekend is great!
In the U.S. we complain about the lack of quality when services are outsourced to India. It's really something else when I heard India outsourced that bridge refurbishment.
Excuse me, but up to 500 people was on a bridge rated for. 15 people (and later 125 people) and they were bouncing and swaying on purpose?? Even if the bridge was repaired properly including replacing the cables, I think the accident still have a high chance of happening. I'm sorry but these people are not the smartest to say the least.
I'm afraid of bridges too and the only way for me to get home is over an old bridge. Not my choice to move here and moving not an option. You would think I'd at least 2:55 have better sense than to watch this. Sadly, I don't :)
For the 50th year celebration in 1987 the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco was stupidly opened to people coming from both the north and south end. No one had thought about what would happen when they met in the middle, or the weight of all those people instead of cars. In photos you can easily see the bridge sagging between the towers. It was shocking to see it live. (Not enough to break it though.)
Pretty sure more than the children didnt know the capabilities of the bridge, they just trusted that it was safe if everyone else was there. If families knew the dangers, they wouldnt risk bringing their children onto it.
"Never under-estimate the predictability of stupidity." - Bullet-Tooth Tony Yes, that might seem like a stupid quote for this...but I found myself thinking "surely those people on the bridge didn't start jumping and swaying the bridge, it probably just fell on its own because of bad engineering..."
A very similar case happened in my small hometown in Brazil a bit more than a year ago, a Brazilian carnival event nearby made a pedestrian bridge extremely crowded until it collapsed, there are records on video. One person died and a few got injured.
FYI: you heard the word Lakh. Sometimes spelled lac. Its an Indian numeric prefix, meaning 100,000. So 1 lakh rupees is 100,000 rupees, or roughly $1200, at time of this comment (July 13, 2024).
I think these national terms should be avoided (like crore and lakh) in english and international communication. We have the term "mil" mile in swedish which means 10 km. We avoid it in english and when describing anything to a foreigner as it would only cause confusion and misunderstanding.
I feel like some of the blame should be put on the people that were on the bridge. Too many was on there and many of them were swinging and bouncing on it. It's as if they were trying to break it on purpose. Sure, they might have not known about the cruddy refurbishment, but they were over stressing the bridge already by doing really dumb things. As well as the fact that no one bothered to get them off or make sure to keep to the limit. The bridge might've collapsed, but it would be far later in the timeline if they just took precautions.
I am from India, near to the area that this incident happened. The bridge came to be approved and opened for public really quickly. Most of the bureaucrats in charge of approving such constructions are highly corrupt and will only sign on an approval when paid. Thus, actual verification goes out of the window. This is not to say that corruption happens only in India. Other countries also have corruption, including western countries. However, there, corruption does not mean that quality of work/construction is compromised. Corruption may lead to cost overruns, but not to sub-standard work. Here, it's different. Corruption affects the quality of work. And once there is an incident, the bureaucrats wash their hands off of any responsibility and the administration pursues the company or the entrepreneur or whoever. There was a recent incident of a fire in an entertainment complex in Rajkot. That incident led to the suspension of fire safety permits of most of the commercial complexes in the state, subject to reapproval. This sounds great on paper, but is nothing more than an opportunity for bureaucrats to extort more bribes from commercial or business establishments. FYI, there have been 16 bridge collapses in a 30-45 day period in a single state in India.
I’m not entirely sure you can blame this on the engineers. The bridge was designed for 125 people. The video said there were between 200 and 500 people on it.
5:31 That statement wasn't wrong at all. It clearly says "And if its used responsibly........". Overcrowding the bridge beyond its stated capacity, along with the groups of morons who were purposely trying to get the bridge to sway, I would hardly consider that responsible.
How can you conclude that the refurbishment was the cause when the bridge was overloaded by more than 50% of its rating? Additionally, while it was overloaded, people were intentionally swinging the bridge side to side. The side-to-side swinging could be linked to only one cable breaking, as it caused an increase in load oscillation between the cables.
I think the implication is that a properly made bridge should be able to handle those things right after being refurbished. Or you know, they should have cared more about safety and limited the number of people on and prevented people from going on if people kept swaying it. But from the botched refurbishment to it overloading to the not preventing people from making it sway, they all point to putting money over lives. Remember Millennium Bridge had a massive swaying problem and they closed the bridge and fixed it. It didn't break. If they had been like "sorry, this is swaying way more than we would like with this many people, you need to stop trying to sway it and only 60 people instead of 120 can cross at once to be safe" rather than being like "ooh more money let's not care about sway and put 200-500 to people on at once" then there is a good chance it would have been more like the Millennium Bridge - a bridge that needed more repair after opening. And overloading it wasn't just about weight. it is a lot easier to get like 120ish people off a bridge when there is an issue than 320ish. Basically the events of the festival made it happen sooner with way more casualties, but it was going to fail regardless.
Having been to India I can understand how a something like this can happen, and how even a train crash can have massive numbers of casualties. Health and safety measures, what health and safety measures?
Thank you for these reports. I always thought it was the overcrowded ppl jumping on the bridge that caused it. I feel like the shoddy repairs weren’t reported at all in the USA
5:30 I'm not sure I can agree with your assessment that the statement turned out wrong. The bridge was overloaded to more than twice its listed capacity and then people jumped around on top of it to make things worse. That is hardly what can be called "used responsibly." They should have never let that many people on the bridge in the first place and stopped anyone who was trying to make it sway deliberately.
Interesting to note that the British built the railway system in India and a similar situation arose after Indian independence when the number of accidents and subsequent deaths and injuries skyrocketed in the 1950s to the present date .
the "And if used responsibly" statement is probably quite accurate as when it collapsed 200 people were on it. I live in a singlewide mobile home, if 200 people were up on my roof the building would collapse. Now That I have watched the wentire video, my opinion is that the company is 60% at fault, for the poor repairs and not clearly setting a limit to the foot traffic. The people on the bridge excluding children get 40% for 3rd world behavior of having 200 people on it at a time and fucking around trying to make the bridge sway.
I am from Morbi, though I don't live there anymore, I have been raised there, spent my entire childhood there and till this accident happened, people didn't know where it was and now I tell Sanyo anyone am from Morbi they tell me yeah that bridge crash city, I hate that. I hate that this is what it has come to be, for my whole childhood it was a city where nothing happened and the older I've grown the more I appreciate it, also fun fact I had a classmate in school, her father was the guy who owned Oreva, sadly am not in touch with her anymore, most probably she is in some swanky city in Europe or something away from all the mess her father and his company has caused, absolutely fucking awful
In the 80s, on the suspended walkway of the Brooklyn Bridge, I idly started pulling and pushing a cable in and out. Every 5th cable moved opposite to the next, in succession, which I found interesting. (About 4 or 5, total, I'm not Hercules). A few days later, a pedestrian on that section was beheaded by a snapping cable. I was horrified at the thought that the abnormal stress I had applied might have been a factor. Unlikely, but I'll never know. It turned out that the cash-strapped city had drastically cut bridge inspection and painting schedules to save money. All our bridges were damaged by accumulated pigeon droppings, which exude acid when wet from rain. Nobody was held responsible, but our bridges are far better maintained since then.
So the municipality didn't perform inspections during the repairs? If they didn't, they shouldn't pretend to be surprised. Either way, they're just as much at fault.
My mom used this bridge in her school days to cross from the city side to her school. My grandpa was just outside about to visit the bridge but stopped due to overcrowding.
Similar, but people were never actively trying to swing the bridge. The bridge had a natural resonant frequency that was hit when a lot of people walked. The subsequent motion of the bridge caused people to unintentionally walk in lock step, making the problem worse.
I wasn't aware that 'marching restrictions' on bridges isn't a 'universal default'. Here in Finland it is and I assumed it was so everywhere. This channel is all about learning new things in addition to accumulating new existential fears. EDIT: I love how some 'muh freedumb' folks actually think this is a criminal law that applies to common folk. 💀
@@kevindavidson8802 I think I've actually seen the episode, they did it with cute little stomping robots, if I recall? I think they also did it only with kind of bridge structure (I vaguely remember it being a cable bridge).
There was some concern that this could have happened after the Golden Gate 50th anniversary bridge walk. The weight of a solid mass of people flattened the span.
I love your videos, John, and I never miss a single episode. But when you said "The full might of the British Army," a musket materialized in my hands, and I had a strong urge to ride my horse all the way to Boston for some Tea Party... Hahahahahaha. Thanks for the videos. You're one of my favorite Brits.
It always feels like the people arrested are always a few people short... ie, the people in charge of the companies who are responsible. Underlings rarely give the orders.
If you have ever heard of a British TV series called Goodness Gracious Me from the 1990s that was made by Asians it makes it all very clear as the saying was always, 'I can do it for you plenty cheaper'. Nobody could take the mick out of Asians in Britain like British Asians.
Similar problem in the Middle and Far East. There's a reason expensive projects (e.g. Burj Khalifa) are designed by Western companies on behalf of the locals. They simply dont have the knowhow to do it themselves, without it falling into a pile of rubble. Sure the building work is contracted to cheapest labour around (Bangladeshi/Indians), but it is supervised by Western construction companies.
140 year old bridge, more base waight added (probably already exceeding the load capacity) and then more Payload as ever intended in the first place.. plus extra Idiots... 😬 Yea, the British engeneres back then couldn't have overbuild that thing much more to prevent so much stupidity! It's even astonishing that 140 year old cables, with I guess 0 maintenence survived in such a country and then take this amount of load, just to be overwhelmed by idiots trying to swing the bridge. My respect to those engeneres!
8:25 Well, we'll never know if they were right because it sure wasn't "used responsibly". 200 people on a bridge only rated for 20 - even before floor panels had been replaced by heavier ones without bothering to replace the suspension cables, which wasn't a very smart move to begin with - doesn't qualify as "responsable" in my book. So yeah, there's that... With all that, the max capacity suddenly going up to 125 people is just wishful thinking.
Asian countries are specialists in pushing the limits of materials. 6 metric tons, loaded on a tuk tuk. A train car designed for 60, with 600 inside, another 50 on top etc.
Actually most of the time it's not, because there is a safety factor involved, lets say I design a bridge intended for no more than 15 people at any one time, I design it with a safety factor of 10 assuming at some point 10 times the number predicted will want to cross so my bridge will take 150 people with little problem, the issue here is threefold, firstly when you are looking after a suspension bridge you have three things (simply) to look after, the suspension cables that span the gap and carry the load, the suspensor cables that connect the suspension cables to the deck and the deck itself, in this case they replaced the deck with heavier decking to make it more resistant to damage and maybe (from the pictures) replaced the safety netting to either side but totally failed to inspect or replace any of the cables (major mistake) then the ticket people allowed maybe 30 - 40 times the maximum number of people onto the bridge taking it probably 3 to 4 times over the calculated safety factor then finally people started jumping up and down on the bridge trying to get it to bounce which massively increases the overloading in effect all those people jumping on the bridge probably resulted in the dynamic load exceeding the permitted loading by as much as a factor of 100, even with a brand new bridge that would be a problem with a poorly maintained one the results were inevitable
want to learn the german word: "verschlimmbessern"? just look at the oreva's restoration increased static load and high dynamic load on top of an aged structure... here we have an example of the word "predictable"
Indian truck driver in my previous company managed to crash a truck on another truck . On an 8 lane empty highway under construction . These people can mess anything up honestly
Reminds me of an incident many years ago, in Las Vegas, where a group of drunk idiots started jumping, in sync, in the hotel elevator to "make it stop" so they could "demand compensation in free rooms and food" from the hotel. (Drinks were already basically free). Arguing with drunks wasn't worth it, so I got off that thing at the next floor - angering the idiots by pressing whatever floor was nearest. Well, they DID manage to trigger the safety stop and ended up stuck for quite some time. I don't know if they "got compensation", but I felt petty enough to report the incident to hotel security (and, no, I did NOT get any freebies) Seems like the bridge shakers shared the same DNA malfunction with my "let's tempt fate" Muppets.
You should have "No Training" ticked off too..... it would seem that all involved in the repairs and running of the bridge had no idea about bridge design and safety.
I got distracted while watching and heard “hiring a raver to build a bridge isn’t such a crazy idea”. As long as the raver is an engineer with relevant experience, sure.
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@@skeetrix5577 Instead it's a Pirate Internet Access sponsorship. Der8auer (a computer tweaking expert) never allows such sponsors per his own sponsorship policy.
You better be getting paid EXTRA for putting your ads in the middle of the narrative.
Because you should ALWAYS put your ads at start or the finish. Middle is just obnoxious and makes us need to FF to avoid them.
I feel bad for no premium users who get an ad at the start. Yours in middle. And at end of more depending however the ads are placed.
Can't imagine following you if I had to use my remote 3-4imes in a single 14 minute YT video.
I'd feel my time was being disrespected. And I might as well watch TV at that point
@@drunkpaulocosta He might get paid negative when someone uses his sponsor to upload pirated copies of his videos while avoiding being caught.
@@drunkpaulocosta clipgrab is your friend. I'm happy he has a sponsor but why do they have to put it in the middle of the video. Mustard puts his at the end of the video. Putting it in the middle makes me not want to watch the video out of spite.
A footbridge designed for a maximum of 15 people doesn't seem like a wise idea in India.
I very much agree
welcome to India, Modi 💩 is corrupt like the rest
@@PlainlyDifficultThe load-bearing steel cables for the ropes course at my summer camp (which was around 30+ feet up in the trees) were capable of holding way more than 15 people (per segment). The camp director's reasoning was simple: if you're spending the money to construct the thing in the first place, and the risk of failure is death, probably better to use cables rated for loads well beyond any the course would actually handle. Then you don't have to worry about pesky things like "is the friction from the karabiner rubbing against the cable for the zip line going to result in a detective asking me difficult questions?" And so he thought "Hmm, I think we'll go with those thick steel cables over there". Always stuck with me as a sensible approach lol.
Also it went up slowly over time with no modifivations and I bet without ever getting approval from a civil engineer
Was it not a THOOTBRIDGE??
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I can only imagine the bingo card. Might have to add "Hydraulic pressure limits exceeded"
The death flag has been raised
I totally read that in Lauri's finnish accent
@@AlexxxGrrr As did I!
Orginal capacity of a 150 year old bridge 15 people, increased to 20, then 125. That sounds suspect just on its own. Then letting 200-500 people on it is just absolute insanity.
Yeah, how could anybody be surprised this happened?
It is part of population control
@@Wlduser India. It‘s a culture thing. Have you seen the street food?
If youve worked with Indians before, it's not even slightly surprising.
Western governments do this too, like when they reevaluate dams and conclude that they probably have 20 years instead of 5 years to make repairs, but they always leave a buffer, at least in the recent past.
India is actually a lot like the US, just intensified in every shared aspect to the highest degree. They are a mishmash of a slew of different cultures with lots of different languages, they have ENORMOUS government bureaucracies that only get bigger and put more layers between a problem and a person who can demand the problem be addressed being created every year.
To cut this short, it is very hard to mobilize a bureaucracy with infinity competing interests and chasmic cultural differences, language barriers, etc, to do anything. It's too hard to enforce orders all the way from the tier of leadership the order is given at all the way down to the execution of that order.
So, as a result, lots of people in India take the easier path in the interest of keeping their jobs, getting elected, being lazy, who knows, and simply change the data, alter the result.
This is why their trains crash all the time. Why people still bathe in that big river and end up with necrotizing fasciitis. Why there is fecal matter on literally every surface in Delhi.
Just easier to find a way to declare the problem a non problem.
"trying to bounce the bridge". One of the most idiotic, suicidal things to do. Extreme shame they took others with themselves.
Were any efforts made to identify these fools?
@@markrobinson9956 why name and shame, the idiots already got the Darwin Award. Unfortunately, a lot of innocent people wound up having to receive the "unlucky" Darwins Award.
On the other hand, anybody making such a bridge needs to EXPECT people to try to make it bounce and sway, because some absolutely are going to.
Especially since walking in step, and swaying, can happen as a natural consequence of bridge motion interacting with people walking, even with zero intent to do it. Once it starts swaying, the natural reaction is to walk in time with the sway, which can add to the swaying.
Search for the video "2000: 'Wobbly' Millennium Bridge Closed Days After Opening", and go to the 22-second mark. You'll see people doing this exact thing.
@@ManMountainMetals But they _should_ be horrified it broke, cuz there should never be a case where the posted limits are actually the literal limits. There should always be a factor of safety to prevent critical failure. Like if a fire marshal decides 100 people can safely exit a room in a certain amount of time for it to be safe, the room limit is still gonna be 80 people or so cuz you know ±20% are gonna act a fool while tryna evacuate.
@@ManMountainMetals mmmm no, that's definitely giving "but racism" vibes. The bridge survived long before with an appropriate safety factor "even in India", but I don't think logic is gonna make much of a difference here.
"Which engineering-firm did you contract to oversee the bridge's restoration?"
"Engineers?"
"Choo-Choo Charlie"
Not a coincidence that Boeing now outsources its engineering and remote management to India.
@@WalkiTalki Come again!
"So who did you consult about the weight load of this bridge?"
"Yes"
@@WalkiTalki To be fair, at least one incident affected both Airbus and Boeing. Both commercial sectors of those companies are a joke of DEI initiatives and hiring people base on race and gender rather than skill. Its only a matter of time before airbus is continually in the news as well for failures.
I'm still amazed and disgusted by people who think swaying a foot bridge is "fun"
Yeah, while the company owning the bridge is definitely at fault for poor maintenance and letting too many people on the bridge at the same time to make profit, people actively trying to demolish a bridge they themselves were standing on kinda had it coming.
Same here. I refuse to use such bridges with those f o o l s.
This is the major flaw with the human brain , it suddenly decides to forego the idea of keeping safe , and instead thinks let's see how much we can rock the bridge before it falls, while stupidly thinking that it will never fall.
You see it all the time , you can put signs up about wet paint , and some twat will put their hands on to test it .
I think that bridge was destined to fall at any stage , rocking it just brought it forward, but they made it heavier and didn't make the cables stronger , so it was already an accident waiting to happen, it might have lasted a year with just normal use , but as soon as heavier flooring was put in then it marked it for disaster.
I'm not hugely intelligent, but I'm often left smh at how bad humans are at using common sense. It's vastly underrated, if it was used more then accidents like this would be a bit rarer.
I bet that there were other people on the bridge, yelling at them to stop, right up to the last second.
FAFO
India has an inexhaustible supply of man-made disasters, enough for a whole new channel, but I fear the causes will in most cases be the same. Poorly designed, poorly constructed, poorly maintained, poorly managed, and huge crowds of people doing something daft.
And corruption of course. But India has plenty of people.
Average IQ is one of the biggest factors for how well a country functions.
@@shatbad2960
I'd say greed.
@@shatbad2960 You do realise that IQ tests are a terrible way to test intelligence, right?
Also Malaysia, Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia.
as soon as i heard "heavier plates" i went "and they didnt upgrade the supports, right?"
I had a similar thought. And apparently the cables were in poor condition to being with.
Me too. Muppets.
My thought was, "Heavier plates? They just increased the dead load of the bridge without bothering to replace the cabling."
They certainly did: they welded new supports TO THE OLD SUPPORTS. The engineering brilliance is absolutely blinding.
Nobody ever accused Indians of being smart
I would add "Time Pressure" to the bingo card.
Clearly someone from above gave time pressure to open it for that festival.
And for the fact that it was a toll bridge, so every day closed cost the company more money
Yeap, I agree with both of you!
"clearly"? do we have evidence?
@@gargoyle7863 The part where it was open for the festival and hadn't even certified by the agency are pretty clear evidence for me.
@@christopherg2347 not certified ticked already another field on the bingo table. I agree to a certain degree that the upcoming festival is a hint for time pressure.
In Germany is actually a law that forbids marching on bridges due to the fear of swinging and subsequently collapse of bridges. I am always amazed how a few people walking simultanesly on a structure can cause big swings leading to a bridge collapse.
It's actually related to harmonic frequency of the structure
@@davidorf3921 Yeah i know. Its still amazing how little it sometimes take to trigger is
They could just break step instead of goose step.
@@Tuck-Shop It's funny because you're talking about something from 80 years ago when the US and much of the world is goose-stepping towards fascism right now.
@@tim3172 yes they are doing that. Those that know history are seeing it being repeated.
Butthead: "Check it out the bridge like, swinging."
Beavis: "Hehe yeah SWING SWING."
Jup, idiots at work.
The stupidity of people can be exhausting. Rebuilding the bridge and not beefing up the support cables. Allowing far more people on it than the max capacity. People intentionally jumping and rocking back and forth to test the integrity of a bridge...over a river. Wow.
Good to see the "dodgy illustrations" are back. It wouldn't be Plainly Difficult without some object with googly eyes saying "Balls".
100% agreed
I liked the Maharajah Moustache character!
Why would refurbishment NOT include replacing 130 year old cables?! This wasn’t the Brooklyn bridge and those cables weren’t 12 inches thick!
That would mean doing actual work.
@@usernamesoldoutAnd spending money rather than pocketing it.
because it is India 🙄
It would cost more. But yes, refurbishing the walkway, and making it heavier in the process, without doing anything about the cables was incredibly stupid.
@@russlehman2070 You're looking at it from the perspective of logic and "doing a good job." Try looking at it from the perspective of "I'm going to pocket everything I don't spend."
The British Army has a command of Break Step when marching. It is used for every bridge that troops march across.
In the US Army it's Route Step. Same idea, avoid resonance shaking the bridge apart.
Think this goes right back to the Napoleonic Wars so the idea has been around for a very long time.
I remember in Finland we also did that when we crossed a small bridge once in a military ceremony
if you ever want to know _why_ , lookup the Broughton Suspension Bridge
Yes, but you don't understand a basic fact: the laws of physics are suspended in India!
If the fall doesn’t kill, the water quality will
I got into trouble once for saying that they would have to separate the turds to find the water 😂 , some tinted person got their sari in a knot 😊.
@@BT54-40 there’s so much more than turds 😂
@@stevenchan3822 India's approach to wastewater treatment would make a long video. The big clean up of the ganga was entrusted to public servants and professors from a big university.
Also majority of the population doesn't know to swin. Death was inevitable
@@ttttttttttttttttist ironically ganga was the cleanest in a long time during the pandemic when factory activity was at it's lowest and after a very long time water was clear and my dude, rivers pumped with sewage is the norm everywhere, including america where
"Each year, more than 860 billion gallons of this vile brew escapes sewer systems across the country. That’s enough to flood all of Pennsylvania ankle-deep. It’s enough for every American to take one bath each week for an entire year."
yes the same rivers american households are served water from after filtration, you literally drink filtered piss and shit.
"If used responsibly" "Men seen trying to bounce the bridge." The claim/statement was not wrong.
I feel horrible for the innocent people, but the ones jumping up and down fucked around and found out. Wish idiots trying for Darwin’s didn’t bring innocent people with them.
Thru did
A foot bridge is usually designed for 20% more load per road area than a motorway bridge, because sooner or later, people will crowd together. A bicycle-only bridge can be built for 6X less load, because bikes can't pack easily.
This happened in a town called Heber Springs, Arkansas, close to where I grew up. There was an old suspension bridge across the river, that was a historical site, and only used for pedestrian traffic. You could stand on it, and feel it swing back and forth. My senior year, 1989, a church group stopped to walk across the bridge. Despite posted signs that clearly stated not to swing the bridge, they decided to see how much they could make it move from side to side. The inevitable happened as the old metal suspension cables snapped, and the bridge fell like the one from Temple of Doom. It killed several, and practically everybody else sustained some type of injuries, many serious.
So, just before the bridge collapsed, some of the people were deliberately trying to sway and bounce the bridge?....Hats off to those Darwin Award winners.
Apparently Oreva spent only 16 lakh or around 19,000 USD of the 2 crore rupees allocated for repairs (2 crore is 20 million rupees or around 240,000 USD). You have to wonder if Oreva pocketed the rest.
Not a question in my mind
Wonder? They had to.
It's India after all.
It's the Russian system as well - but I think it evolved independently in both countries.
@@elcidleon6500Unless its Japan or Scandanivian countries I believe corruption is the norm everywhere , rather than the exception .
I shudder when I hear the words” maintenance taken over by a privately owned company”.
Never a good sign!!
Yup. It’s the death knell for safety. Private companies never care as much about a property as its owners, especially when the property is a publicly funded piece of infrastructure owned by the government.
So sad to see a bridge that had outlasted extremes of weather, more than a hundred years, various political changes, and the tromping feet of likely millions of people over its history brought down by greed and stupidity.
There was no news coverage of this in my part of Canada, despite there being a large number of immigrants from India who have come to live here.
IMO the problem isn't so much that a bridge is being maintained by a private company but that there was no government oversight that would have mandated inspecting the bridge. Here in the US private companies build and maintain all sorts of infrastructure but that is done under the guidance and inspection of state and municipal governments. All government owned bridges in the US have to have safety inspections every two years. Apparently that wasn't the case with this bridge in India.
@@ChaosMagnet Where in Canada are you? I remember the news when this happened, though to be fair, I might have seen it online.
@@leeriffee4606
Well, it is India - it’s a different vibe there than in the rest of the world. Watch a few RUclips DIY videos that are obviously coming out of that country - they reuse any and all rusty, broken, damaged and hideous looking ‘building materials’ all the time. For example, let’s look at nails - they gather a handful of bent and rusty nails, and then spend hours and hours and hours pounding them straight and sharpening the point. Surely, a pound of nails costs less than what they pay some guy to squat over a chunk of steel and bash nails with a big rock. It’s great they are recycling, but some of what they are using really isn’t worth using.
Corruption is one of the primary drivers of big business in India.
One can easily pay a fee to government officials to, "please disperse...nothing to see here."
Perhaps corruption should be on the bingo card.
Man I nearly lost it when you said cutting edge and I saw a knife holding hand 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Horrifying that it was able to be opened so quickly with no outside oversight!
Indian oversight=none
Money underneath the table speeds things up considerably
don't expect western standards in the 2nd and 3rd world ffs...
Meanwhile in the USA, about the half the population wants to end government oversight.
I think you are confuse. it only opened so quickly because it didn't seek outside oversight
the local government didn't even know it was open until after the collapse
i would add a check on "no training" because the security guards were clearly not told to limit the weight/numbers
Your onscreen conversions to the Imperial System for everyone here in ‘Murica is *greatly appreciated John!* It makes it so much more enjoyable to watch and understand. Cheers 🤘
Perfect example of greed outwaying common sense. They increased the weight of the footplate, failed to secure it to the cables correctly, didn't upgrade the cables for the increased weight, didn't even bother repairing worn cables, and then increased foot traffic from 25 at a time to 200?! I sincerely hope those responsible are held accountable!
Any company contracted by a government is no longer just a private company. The people that awarded the contract to that company pocketed a piece of it themselves.
I admire your work, witty humor and narration.
Thank you kindly!
@@PlainlyDifficult Please, take a look at the Braskem scandal in Maceió, Brazil. It is right up your alley.
🤷♂️ I don't understand people. They like to crowd together. Seems like a crowd draws in even more people. It has the exact opposite effect on me.
You’re probably introverted ( or just maybe autistic [ nothing wrong with that ] ).
Probably just introverted though.
More and more, I am able to anticipate the results of the investigation as well as guessing the Disster Scale. Have a great weekend, John! (and anyone else who reads this)
Thanks, you too!
As others have stated in the comments, I'd add "Time Pressure" to the bingo card, since someone higher up in the chain in that company most likely wanted the bridge opened before the festival. I mean, it's a toll bridge, and they were getting all the money. But otherwise, I agree with you, as usual! :) Great video about a horrible incident that I hadn't heard of before. Thank you for that! You make some of the best videos on RUclips, in my world, and I really appreciate the time you must put into all of this, so thank you again! Hope the rest of your weekend is great!
In the U.S. we complain about the lack of quality when services are outsourced to India. It's really something else when I heard India outsourced that bridge refurbishment.
India gonna India.
Excuse me, but up to 500 people was on a bridge rated for. 15 people (and later 125 people) and they were bouncing and swaying on purpose?? Even if the bridge was repaired properly including replacing the cables, I think the accident still have a high chance of happening. I'm sorry but these people are not the smartest to say the least.
This and CSB videos are bittersweet.
Minor clerks and security guards: "You're under arrest!!"
Company execs: "You're free to go. See you on the golf course later!"
When you said the panels were different that changes the dynamics of the original bridge design, big problem. Thank you.
Wake up babe a new plainly difficult video just dropped that with only increase my fear of bridges/metros/trains ✨✨
Are the star icons picked because they look like the logo of the company commissioned to make the bridge safe?
I'm afraid of bridges too and the only way for me to get home is over an old bridge. Not my choice to move here and moving not an option. You would think I'd at least 2:55 have better sense than to watch this. Sadly, I don't :)
For the 50th year celebration in 1987 the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco was stupidly opened to people coming from both the north and south end. No one had thought about what would happen when they met in the middle, or the weight of all those people instead of cars. In photos you can easily see the bridge sagging between the towers. It was shocking to see it live. (Not enough to break it though.)
Natural selection at it's finest. I'm sorry for the children who didn't know better and were too young to have an opinion on this.
Pretty sure more than the children didnt know the capabilities of the bridge, they just trusted that it was safe if everyone else was there. If families knew the dangers, they wouldnt risk bringing their children onto it.
"Never under-estimate the predictability of stupidity." - Bullet-Tooth Tony
Yes, that might seem like a stupid quote for this...but I found myself thinking "surely those people on the bridge didn't start jumping and swaying the bridge, it probably just fell on its own because of bad engineering..."
They installed heavier deck plates without doing anything to the suspension cables? Hmm, I wonder what might happen next.
A very similar case happened in my small hometown in Brazil a bit more than a year ago, a Brazilian carnival event nearby made a pedestrian bridge extremely crowded until it collapsed, there are records on video. One person died and a few got injured.
FYI: you heard the word Lakh. Sometimes spelled lac. Its an Indian numeric prefix, meaning 100,000. So 1 lakh rupees is 100,000 rupees, or roughly $1200, at time of this comment (July 13, 2024).
I think these national terms should be avoided (like crore and lakh) in english and international communication. We have the term "mil" mile in swedish which means 10 km. We avoid it in english and when describing anything to a foreigner as it would only cause confusion and misunderstanding.
I feel like some of the blame should be put on the people that were on the bridge. Too many was on there and many of them were swinging and bouncing on it. It's as if they were trying to break it on purpose. Sure, they might have not known about the cruddy refurbishment, but they were over stressing the bridge already by doing really dumb things. As well as the fact that no one bothered to get them off or make sure to keep to the limit. The bridge might've collapsed, but it would be far later in the timeline if they just took precautions.
I am from India, near to the area that this incident happened.
The bridge came to be approved and opened for public really quickly. Most of the bureaucrats in charge of approving such constructions are highly corrupt and will only sign on an approval when paid. Thus, actual verification goes out of the window.
This is not to say that corruption happens only in India. Other countries also have corruption, including western countries. However, there, corruption does not mean that quality of work/construction is compromised. Corruption may lead to cost overruns, but not to sub-standard work. Here, it's different. Corruption affects the quality of work. And once there is an incident, the bureaucrats wash their hands off of any responsibility and the administration pursues the company or the entrepreneur or whoever. There was a recent incident of a fire in an entertainment complex in Rajkot. That incident led to the suspension of fire safety permits of most of the commercial complexes in the state, subject to reapproval. This sounds great on paper, but is nothing more than an opportunity for bureaucrats to extort more bribes from commercial or business establishments.
FYI, there have been 16 bridge collapses in a 30-45 day period in a single state in India.
I’m not entirely sure you can blame this on the engineers. The bridge was designed for 125 people. The video said there were between 200 and 500 people on it.
Only in India can you get random 200 idiots in one place.
The local LQ percentage rose when that cable snapped.
Only by a the tiniest fraction as there is likely 3 million people locally..it is India.
5:31 That statement wasn't wrong at all. It clearly says "And if its used responsibly........".
Overcrowding the bridge beyond its stated capacity, along with the groups of morons who were purposely trying to get the bridge to sway, I would hardly consider that responsible.
How can you conclude that the refurbishment was the cause when the bridge was overloaded by more than 50% of its rating? Additionally, while it was overloaded, people were intentionally swinging the bridge side to side. The side-to-side swinging could be linked to only one cable breaking, as it caused an increase in load oscillation between the cables.
I think the implication is that a properly made bridge should be able to handle those things right after being refurbished. Or you know, they should have cared more about safety and limited the number of people on and prevented people from going on if people kept swaying it. But from the botched refurbishment to it overloading to the not preventing people from making it sway, they all point to putting money over lives.
Remember Millennium Bridge had a massive swaying problem and they closed the bridge and fixed it. It didn't break.
If they had been like "sorry, this is swaying way more than we would like with this many people, you need to stop trying to sway it and only 60 people instead of 120 can cross at once to be safe" rather than being like "ooh more money let's not care about sway and put 200-500 to people on at once" then there is a good chance it would have been more like the Millennium Bridge - a bridge that needed more repair after opening.
And overloading it wasn't just about weight. it is a lot easier to get like 120ish people off a bridge when there is an issue than 320ish.
Basically the events of the festival made it happen sooner with way more casualties, but it was going to fail regardless.
Having been to India I can understand how a something like this can happen, and how even a train crash can have massive numbers of casualties.
Health and safety measures, what health and safety measures?
Bridges scare the crap out of me. so much trust that the engineers knew what they were doing, and that they've been maintained well over the years.
If anybody's maintaining it, it's the lowest bidder.
I’m not fond of tunnels either.
Thank you for these reports. I always thought it was the overcrowded ppl jumping on the bridge that caused it. I feel like the shoddy repairs weren’t reported at all in the USA
I'm ashamed to admit that I thought the poor repairs were a given.
I gotta idea, let’s all go out on an overloaded bridge and make it swing ….
Let’s find out if we can fly or swim …
Fate:
I’m waiting for you all.
5:30 I'm not sure I can agree with your assessment that the statement turned out wrong.
The bridge was overloaded to more than twice its listed capacity and then people jumped around on top of it to make things worse.
That is hardly what can be called "used responsibly."
They should have never let that many people on the bridge in the first place and stopped anyone who was trying to make it sway deliberately.
Everything seems overcrowded there and the disasters reflect that.
"Bus crash kills 200" And all I think is "How did they fit 200 people on a bus"
Dang I didn’t realize there were so many bridge collapse you could literally name your channel bridges be difficult and still have plenty of content 😂
Interesting to note that the British built the railway system in India and a similar situation arose after Indian independence when the number of accidents and subsequent deaths and injuries skyrocketed in the 1950s to the present date .
Ah yes, a colapsing pedestrian bridge. One of my biggest fears
have you seen John's coverage of the Hyatt Regency walkway collapse?
Heck, they couldn't even get the Florida International University pedestrian bridge finished before it collapsed and killed people.
Just in time for my ride to work
Safe travels
Barely reported back when it happened.
Such a tragedy that could have been easily avoided
I agree
There was just recently a human crush in India that killed over 120 people. Only saw a single news report about it
@@stlouisrocker100never heard about that in Canada, and I’m a pretty dedicated news-reader. What was the event that led to the crush?
That's because with so many people life is regarded as " cheap"
It was reported in German media.
the "And if used responsibly" statement is probably quite accurate as when it collapsed 200 people were on it. I live in a singlewide mobile home, if 200 people were up on my roof the building would collapse.
Now That I have watched the wentire video, my opinion is that the company is 60% at fault, for the poor repairs and not clearly setting a limit to the foot traffic. The people on the bridge excluding children get 40% for 3rd world behavior of having 200 people on it at a time and fucking around trying to make the bridge sway.
I am from Morbi, though I don't live there anymore, I have been raised there, spent my entire childhood there and till this accident happened, people didn't know where it was and now I tell Sanyo anyone am from Morbi they tell me yeah that bridge crash city, I hate that. I hate that this is what it has come to be, for my whole childhood it was a city where nothing happened and the older I've grown the more I appreciate it, also fun fact I had a classmate in school, her father was the guy who owned Oreva, sadly am not in touch with her anymore, most probably she is in some swanky city in Europe or something away from all the mess her father and his company has caused, absolutely fucking awful
Gujju filth
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Right in time for bed, who doesn't love a tragedy before sleeping.
Sweet dreams!
I know some good channels covering scary paranormal stuff if you want a change of pace.
@@ald1144pls share
I have nightmares anyway, they might as well have something new to feed on :)
In the 80s, on the suspended walkway of the Brooklyn Bridge, I idly started pulling and pushing a cable in and out. Every 5th cable moved opposite to the next, in succession, which I found interesting. (About 4 or 5, total, I'm not Hercules). A few days later, a pedestrian on that section was beheaded by a snapping cable. I was horrified at the thought that the abnormal stress I had applied might have been a factor. Unlikely, but I'll never know. It turned out that the cash-strapped city had drastically cut bridge inspection and painting schedules to save money. All our bridges were damaged by accumulated pigeon droppings, which exude acid when wet from rain. Nobody was held responsible, but our bridges are far better maintained since then.
So the municipality didn't perform inspections during the repairs? If they didn't, they shouldn't pretend to be surprised. Either way, they're just as much at fault.
Apparently, they weren't aware that the bridge was opening.
Surprised by what? That it had opened without seeking approval? or that it let as many as 4x the safe limit on the bridge?
My mom used this bridge in her school days to cross from the city side to her school. My grandpa was just outside about to visit the bridge but stopped due to overcrowding.
Reminds me a bit like the millennium Bridge in London before it was fixed
Very much so
Similar, but people were never actively trying to swing the bridge.
The bridge had a natural resonant frequency that was hit when a lot of people walked.
The subsequent motion of the bridge caused people to unintentionally walk in lock step, making the problem worse.
Been a busy news day but I finally got here.
Thank you for your hard work Plainly! I love that you've stuck with your style and snark. *tips hat*
I have been waiting for this!
I wasn't aware that 'marching restrictions' on bridges isn't a 'universal default'. Here in Finland it is and I assumed it was so everywhere. This channel is all about learning new things in addition to accumulating new existential fears.
EDIT: I love how some 'muh freedumb' folks actually think this is a criminal law that applies to common folk. 💀
Not sure if you ever heard of the US show Mythbusters, they did an episode on that myth and debunked it.
@@kevindavidson8802 I think I've actually seen the episode, they did it with cute little stomping robots, if I recall? I think they also did it only with kind of bridge structure (I vaguely remember it being a cable bridge).
@@PenguinDT Yup thats the one, they were pretty much stomping feet with helmets.
lol marching restrictions! Damn.. thank you California… I have foot privilege of every strength and gait of my choice. That, and legal weed 👏🏽🤣‼️
@@kevindavidson8802 How much did the robots weigh? Because soldiers in full gear can weigh over 200 pounds.
There was some concern that this could have happened after the Golden Gate 50th anniversary bridge walk. The weight of a solid mass of people flattened the span.
In other words they stuck a couple of band-aids on the bridge and said: "All Fixed!"
I love your videos, John, and I never miss a single episode. But when you said "The full might of the British Army," a musket materialized in my hands, and I had a strong urge to ride my horse all the way to Boston for some Tea Party... Hahahahahaha. Thanks for the videos. You're one of my favorite Brits.
Part of the reason I make sure to watch the full video every time is so I can hear the weather of Southern London UK
You always route-step (stop marching in cadence) over a bridge. It's to prevent harmonic resonance causing the bridge to collapse..
5:10 "two hundred and eleven hundred thousand pounds"
£211,000,000.00
I take it they didn't pay in pounds.
It always feels like the people arrested are always a few people short... ie, the people in charge of the companies who are responsible. Underlings rarely give the orders.
Always in India, they can’t build anything with Quality
If you have ever heard of a British TV series called Goodness Gracious Me from the 1990s that was made by Asians it makes it all very clear as the saying was always, 'I can do it for you plenty cheaper'. Nobody could take the mick out of Asians in Britain like British Asians.
They've had thousands of years to catch up, still right at the bottom.
Similar problem in the Middle and Far East.
There's a reason expensive projects (e.g. Burj Khalifa) are designed by Western companies on behalf of the locals.
They simply dont have the knowhow to do it themselves, without it falling into a pile of rubble.
Sure the building work is contracted to cheapest labour around (Bangladeshi/Indians), but it is supervised by Western construction companies.
Have you seen any form of transit in India not horrifyingly overloaded?
140 year old bridge, more base waight added (probably already exceeding the load capacity) and then more Payload as ever intended in the first place.. plus extra Idiots... 😬
Yea, the British engeneres back then couldn't have overbuild that thing much more to prevent so much stupidity!
It's even astonishing that 140 year old cables, with I guess 0 maintenence survived in such a country and then take this amount of load, just to be overwhelmed by idiots trying to swing the bridge.
My respect to those engeneres!
The people who initiated the "bouncing" of the bridge should be charged as well.
8:25 Well, we'll never know if they were right because it sure wasn't "used responsibly". 200 people on a bridge only rated for 20 - even before floor panels had been replaced by heavier ones without bothering to replace the suspension cables, which wasn't a very smart move to begin with - doesn't qualify as "responsable" in my book.
So yeah, there's that...
With all that, the max capacity suddenly going up to 125 people is just wishful thinking.
Asian countries are specialists in pushing the limits of materials. 6 metric tons, loaded on a tuk tuk. A train car designed for 60, with 600 inside, another 50 on top etc.
Just a reminder most infrastructure is at +90% maximum weight capacity 24/7 due to its own weight!
Actually most of the time it's not, because there is a safety factor involved, lets say I design a bridge intended for no more than 15 people at any one time, I design it with a safety factor of 10 assuming at some point 10 times the number predicted will want to cross so my bridge will take 150 people with little problem, the issue here is threefold, firstly when you are looking after a suspension bridge you have three things (simply) to look after, the suspension cables that span the gap and carry the load, the suspensor cables that connect the suspension cables to the deck and the deck itself, in this case they replaced the deck with heavier decking to make it more resistant to damage and maybe (from the pictures) replaced the safety netting to either side but totally failed to inspect or replace any of the cables (major mistake) then the ticket people allowed maybe 30 - 40 times the maximum number of people onto the bridge taking it probably 3 to 4 times over the calculated safety factor then finally people started jumping up and down on the bridge trying to get it to bounce which massively increases the overloading in effect all those people jumping on the bridge probably resulted in the dynamic load exceeding the permitted loading by as much as a factor of 100, even with a brand new bridge that would be a problem with a poorly maintained one the results were inevitable
Did I really want to know that?
This is why I am terrified of bridges and all gravity defying structures! Nightmare fuel!!!
Well be glad the people who are behind the makings of this bridge were inept to see the shortcomings of the bridge.
want to learn the german word: "verschlimmbessern"?
just look at the oreva's restoration
increased static load and high dynamic load on top of an aged structure... here we have an example of the word "predictable"
10:02 the pattern of the gate if you look carefully...........it looks like a load of swastik.........nevermind. its just my imagination 😂
In my town when the indian medic students came they broke the elevator in the hospital and fall down because there were too many people inside.
That's wild that they like to pack in full of people everywhere they go.
i refreshed the page and this popped up after being published not even 10 seconds
Very early have a worm
@@PlainlyDifficult Huh?
@@FloozieOneits a play on the old saying
"early bird gets the worm"
Indian truck driver in my previous company managed to crash a truck on another truck . On an 8 lane empty highway under construction . These people can mess anything up honestly
Reminds me of an incident many years ago, in Las Vegas, where a group of drunk idiots started jumping, in sync, in the hotel elevator to "make it stop" so they could "demand compensation in free rooms and food" from the hotel. (Drinks were already basically free).
Arguing with drunks wasn't worth it, so I got off that thing at the next floor - angering the idiots by pressing whatever floor was nearest. Well, they DID manage to trigger the safety stop and ended up stuck for quite some time.
I don't know if they "got compensation", but I felt petty enough to report the incident to hotel security (and, no, I did NOT get any freebies)
Seems like the bridge shakers shared the same DNA malfunction with my "let's tempt fate" Muppets.
You should have "No Training" ticked off too..... it would seem that all involved in the repairs and running of the bridge had no idea about bridge design and safety.
I've got no training in bridge repair, but I'm pretty sure I could have done a better job for less money, and still made a tidy profit.
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Q: So what was the cause of the collapse?
A: Yes.
There's a pedestrian suspension bridge near Uttoxeter in the UK ( Doveridge) and that absolutely does bounch like crazy if you narxh in step over it.
I got distracted while watching and heard “hiring a raver to build a bridge isn’t such a crazy idea”. As long as the raver is an engineer with relevant experience, sure.