Why Soldier: 76 is Scarier than Reaper | Overwatch Lore Talk
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2017
- Here, we'll take a look at Soldier: 76 and Reaper and compare what sets them apart -- and why exactly 76 is more terrifying than Reaper.
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Just want to acknowledge that yes, I did mispronounce the word "awry", that was my bad, I didn't look up how to pronounce the word before I said it like a fool. I promise to pronounce it right the next time LOL
Dude don't worry about it. Those grammar nazi's are misunderstanding the purpose of language (which is really ironic tbh). Its purpose is to communicate an idea/concept. So as long as you do that and everyone understands what you meant. Then you've accomplished the point of language.
Honestly I love Reaper and his story, he's a monstrous murderer yes, but he's calm and clear with a non chaotic
personalty. As for Soldier, I just want him to go away
Ahri in league of legends gg
Reaper = Neutral Evil. (Does whatever it is necessary to get his own goal. Total psychopath with no empathy.)
Soldier 76 = Chaotic Neutral. (Old war-dog loaded with cynicism and sadness from things that he's witnessed or done. Not sure what he is doing with his life or feelings. Doesn't really care about himself so it makes it hard to care about others. I got to say it again... He's an old soldier and all he knows is battle, so he must be quite fucking intimidating.)
It is like comparing Rambo (soldier:76) to Darth Vader (Reaper). Not in terms of power but in character. In many ways Rambo can be potraited more evil, because he just lost his shit and killed everyone who tried to get him. Vader had a reason for everything. Just like soldier and reaper here.
My english is shit, don't need a reminder :D
soldier is scary in some respect yes but an army of goons can slow him down, however i'd rather fight him than being on reapers hitlist since he just cares about killing his target or completing the mission
One reason why Reaper is more controlled than Soldier:
He's not a psychopath. He's a high-functioning psychopath.
That's one of the scariest titles you can call someone, and Reaper does a hell of a good job at portraying it so.
I can agree
Psychopath and sociopath are the same thing, they both fall under APD
@@superal68 no sociopaths run off impulses psychopaths are calculated
years old reply I know but uh
both psychopaths and sociopaths are calculating and considered, often, distant and "off"
they are different, same spectrum, but, sociopath is diet psychopath, they still have an inner conscience
psychopaths do not..and it makes them dangerous
Soldier has nothing left to lose, thats when a man is most dangerous
But... What does Reaper have ? A thirst for revenge and a list of people to kill ? It's more planned out than 76 but it's still not that much :c
SilverSmasher he still has a family
Elias D true
Soldier has nothing left to lose and reaper cant lose. Becoming a wraithform grimreaper has benefits like that.
Elias D Reaper is a Psychopath meaning he has no regard for the live did others he has a mission he does it, a teamate dies he moves on
Interestingly enough, Reaper was referred to as Soldier 24 when he was experimented on.
Notice that 76 + 24 = 100?
It's kind of like Morrison and Reyes complete each other. One's good with a touch of evil and the other is evil with a touch of good?
OOh, I didn't even notice those numbers added up like that! That's definitely symbolic, thanks for pointing it out!
whats the touch of good in Reaper?
He's extra *THICC* compared to soldier
@@danielwood6833 well if you compared both of their personalities reaper seems to be quite a good leader like when you see him and widow maker tried to assassinate a Russian military figure when widow missed her shot he didn't condemn her but instead told her to hold while he and sombra take over. It doesnt look like much at first but based on his characteristics during the mission he was relatively calm and rational in decision making.......
not until sombra failed too
@@seanyee7850 as long as you stick to the plan, he is cool. Simple as that.
"reaper likes to keep a strict plan"
"Dammit reyes that wasnt part of the plan"
"Well i guess its time for plan b"
Yeah I guess he's changed. He seems all about the plan as Reaper. Not so much as Reyes.
They're both
EDGY GRANDPA'S!
Killerwhale 6011 WTF BUT FUNNY
Call of Duty and DEATH GUN are my favorite anime couple.
Killerwhale 6011 don't worry I got your reference
But they are good looking grandpa's
It's ok. Just keep doing those "mealy" attacks.
chaotic good vs. lawful evil
ActuallyTee this is what i was thinking omg
I know this is a slightly older video and I think you make good points, but you have one perspective flaw: Reaper is the aggressor in his situation while Soldier is the answer.
The soldiers and workers in Russia were simply doing their jobs when Reaper breaks in, guns blazing. Conversely, Soldier is answering the actions of the gang. Remember, the gang tried to get the girl to kill a random omnic, a sentient being, just moments before Soldier showed up. Yes, Reaper moved his attention from the disabled person, but that would have just been a distraction from his mission - assaulting the compound.
Motives play a big role into morality. Would you say someone defending their self or someone else is immoral? In essence, that is what Soldier is doing. His scare tactics are mirroring the common "always watching" fear that modern police forces use to try and deter crime. With Reaper, you never know when you'll suddenly be his target and he'll bust through the door. Opposite of that, if you don't live immorally or make others suffer, you won't get a surprise visit from Soldier. Yes, he has his motives and personal missions, but do you think for a second Reaper would have actually sacrificed his mission for the life of that random girl in Dorado?
Ooh, damn, really good point, I didn't even think of that at all when I made this video. Thanks for that insight!
But Reaper is still cooler... lol
YourTheManNowDawg soldier wasnt there for the girl, he was there for the weapons they were moving
The PeaceKeeper indeed so soldier was also the aggressor
Very nice morality point
Now that the retribution event is out it makes Reaper's voice lines a lot more interesting. Saying stuff about sticking to the mission and getting the job done could be because the one time he didn't "stick to the plan" it ended up becoming the spark that lead to Overwatch's downfall, him becoming an enemy to most of his comrades, and possibly him becoming the thing is now, whatever that might be. Just something to think about really, but it will be interesting to see what if anything they do with it.
This. Precisely this!
Dads are pretty scary, specially when they get the belt out for punishment
But the los muertos gang is pretty bad itself it's more of just fighting fire with fire
To be fair, Los Muertos isn't /entirely/ bad, especially when you remember that they're also revolutionaries who took a step against their corrupt government that has been abusing them since the end of the Crisis. So I do have to question why 76 decided to target the poor Mexican citizens who resorted to the gang life rather than say LumeriCo who put them in that situation in the first place ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
BoilingHeart I suppose so, but I'm pretty sure that omnic did nothing wrong, and they stole money from a little girl! Corrupt gov or not, they're just as bad and don't really help the situation
... True true haha
Aliana ARD *chancla
Ironic how Reaper's character and combat style are quick and efficient, yet he prefers chucking his empty guns at the ground rather than reloading and not wasting a perfectly useful weapon
If you carefully study his weapons you'll realize there was no way to reload his gun from the start.
And what would you do? spend 12 seconds reloading both of your gun, or spend 1 second to throw them away and pull out a new pair?
Exactly he can’t waste a weapon that he made with his own body
He has unlimited. Either waste time reloading or grab 2 of your infinity
I feel like Soldier has more of a Batman thing going on, preferring to use fear to gain an advantage, while reaper is a more tactical, stick-to-the-mission person since he doesn't really need to scare people off as that could cause unpredictable flaws in the plan.
dammit, now i want a batman skin for soldier
@F.D.R Not really, 76 may say he has a behaviour that's similar to the Punisher, but at heart he tries not to kill when he can, so his actions are more similar to a Batman. I'm sure he killed in the past, but I don't think he ever wanted to hurt anyone in the first place. Those thugs bullied and killed, it was revenge and justice in his own way. He sacrificed his mission to save a life. So yeah, he's closer to a Batman.
@@Squirtle0360 reaper is batman and soldier 76 is captain america
@@Carpatouille *captain america
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 Not really, imo soldier 76 is more like Agent US and Punisher would be Deathstroke
This reminds me of a quote that goes something like "If you take a away a man's will to live he will fight savagely."
I feel so sad for both of them I just want them to be happy again Blizzard pls ;-;
No it must be this way
Night Fang Reaper also wants to die so this applies to both
already lost mine. ain't easy
Soldier: 76 is like the Punisher
Reaper is like Taskmaster or Deathstroke
Himayamata Soldier 76 is like Punisher and Batman combined.
I got you in my sights if you know what I mean;)
Reaper is nothing like either Taskmaster or Deathstroke, and Soldier 76 is even less similar to Batman. Reaper's a terrorist. Taskmaster and Deathstroke are basically super-assassins, and Reaper's not even close to being on their level. Also, 76 is ex-military, has no alter ego, is physically enhanced, really old, kills people, and literally has a personal vendetta against the governments of the world. He's a vigilante. Batman is a martial artist, a philanthropist, has genius-level intellect, doesn't kill people, has no inherent super powers, has an alter ego, solves crime, is literally a superhero, would absolutely dismantle 76, the list goes on and on.
Agreed about the batman and taskmaster part but Deathstroke and Reaper are basically the same since they both can regenerate and they are both ex-military and they both had 'super solider' experiments conducted on them.
David Kang That’s fair, I was thinking more in regards to their personalities, but you’re right.
Given the behavioral analysis you gave of Reaper, and pairing that up with his serial killer past it would be safe to assume that Reaper is a clinical psychopath, highly functional, though lacking any regard for human life. It's also possible to assume that Reaper didn't kill the nameless employee of Volskya not out of regard for their life, but it would have been a waste of a shot, something a psychopath would rather not do.
Soldier 76 on the other hand has a concern for the lives of people around him. Yeah, he's a renegade with an ego streak, but that's normal for most everyone on the planet. The fact that he prioritized the life of a bystander over his goal for the evening in the Hero cinematic shows that regardless of his behavior in battle, he's still more concerned about other people than Reaper is.
Zephemus it is possibly the experiments from Moira at made him bitter the overwatch comic where reaper watches a family in the rain shows that he hates being reaper.his cells keep fading and regenerating which means that he cannot change
Chili Sauce you know that may be his family
they made soldier gay did i just bully a gay old man
BoilingHeart lol
"even when the gangstas were already on the ground, begging and screaming for him to stop, he proceeds to brutally murder them"
Now we know the secret reason why Soldier went after Los Muertos
They were all guys
Soilder 76 looks to straight to be gay in my opinion
@@Williestubs1 you don't look a certain way if your gay
@@sierrabetcher3213 Actually...
Soldier: Chaotic Good
Reaper: Lawful Evil
Was just thinking that.
Lawful evil is often in opposition to common law. Establishing rules and morals, and enforcing them, versus chaotic being random and erratic.
With Reaper always having a structured method for doing this makes him incredibly lawful. That, and his motivation is based on his moral compass. These are features of a lawful alignment.
Lawful and chaotic don't mean "in response to the established system" but their method in bringing about their morality: Chaotic being without a direct method, and lawful being very direct, focused, and purposeful. Lawful is very zealous, and chaotic is very... well... chaotic- messy.
Soldier's motivations are inherently good, but his methods are "I don't play by the rules anymore."
Neutral, die die die doesnt seem lawful to me
That is rather interesting. Kind of makes you wonder how much more dangerous 76 would be had he been the focused villain of Overwatch.
Chaotic Neutral Your comment has 76 likes as of now
Well we can all agree that NOW Moira is the scariest hero in OW
TLord mei* lol
Her nails scare me
TLord *brigitte XD
TLord Yes She is
lul imagine Brigitte with her puppy dog face and her cartoon whip beating the shit out of people like soldier 76.
Your video and explanation are good, but keep in mind, Reaper's mission was to only kill one person, which was the chairman. Wasting a bullet on an incapacitated soldier would be inefficient and divert from the plan. Now, what is Soldier 76's goal? It was to exact justice on the gang for being cruel an causing mischief. If Reaper's goal was to punish his enemies, he would probably kill them in the same cruel and brutal manner that Soldier 76 did.
However, you may say that they have similar objectives, just different styles in carrying out their plans. Reaper wants to assassinate one person in power, Soldier 76 wants to find out how Overwatch was antagonized. Reaper seems to handle his goals in a more objective way because his goal is to prevent Overwatch from ever reforming again and is ultimately on a conquest to gain power. Soldier 76 on the other hand is viewing his goal in a more subjective way; people disbanded his family and attempted to murder them and he wants to find out who and why. While Reaper seeks power using strategy, Soldier 76 seeks retribution using his vengeful soul and prowess.
Also, Soldier 76 is a poor man hurt by the society that he once saved from the Omnicrisis. He was betrayed not only by those he thought he protected, he was also betrayed by his own colleagues (Reaper). He hesitated to save the girl because he saved people in the past and was betrayed, but he eventually decided that her life is more important than his mission and succumbed to his good heart and saved her. However, Reaper merely desired power from the beginning, and now he is finishing the job by stamping out Overwatch for good. If Overwatch won't accept Reaper as the leader, he will just annihilate them and be the leader of his own organization.
Captain Munch reading reading yada yada whatever
I can almost with everything agree... But reaper wasn't angry at Jack when he became leader of the blackwatch... In fact quite the opposite... Reaper is the type of guy who keeps everything solo or prefers it.. even he said that he doesn't want that kind of responsibility and that leader doesn't suit him... And besides they left him to die and suffer who he is today... Why did he betray... I want to find out but I know reaper had a good reason... He isn't stupid
I think the context of WHO they're fighting in those cinematics justifies both of their actions to some extent. Reaper is merely taking down hired guards. Bystanders, for all intents and purposes. They're just obstacles in the way of his mission. Soldier 76 meanwhile is doling out his particular (and rather Punisher-esque) brand of vigilante justice on a low-life gang of thugs harassing a poor girl for laughs.
This video did give me particular insights into both characters' personalities that I hadn't picked up on before. But you also have to remember that they are also morally grey characters. They, and Overwatch lore in general, is definitely more nuanced than just "who is more scary/evil".
None of these characters are generically evil, and I love it. Except Reaper if he's not handled well in the future. Where he stands right now, he could either be the most interesting character in the game, or the most boring.
God damn right.
Roy Batty what is harassment a crime worth killing for? I think most reasonable people would say fuck no
They also brutally beat an omnic to death
It's a difference between chaotic good (Soldier) and lawful evil (Reaper). Soldier's method may be rough and ruthless, but only against criminals. The Los Muertos gang in the short already tortured an Omnic to near death and probably murdered many more Omnics before that. They're robbers, thieves, and murderers. They're not innocent "collateral damage." Yes Soldier hesitated before saving the little girl, but the important thing is he saved her in the end. He even checked on her to see if she arrived home safely. Soldier is impulsive and maybe a bit arrogant, but he still cares about justice and the safety of little girls. Reaper would have just let the girl die because she's not important to the mission. Or maybe even kill her himself if he wasn't busy on a mission. Let's not forget that Reaper is a psychopath who literally enjoys killing people.
if that were the case why didn't he shoot the guy on the ground, mission or not the fact that he can keep cool in tough situations shows he's not Psycho just a sociopath, he's got a good grasp on his emotional state and not tied down to them, he looks at the big picture, sure he probably kills for fun but not because he gets a kick out of it and more because it probably brings something out of him, all he's done is fight, he lived to fight and died fighting just to be brought back to keep fighting
I feel like before the OW fall, Morrison was Lawful Good, Ana was Neutral Good and Reyes was Chaotic Good.
After the fall, Ana stayed Neutral Good, Soldier took a dip into Chaotic Good and Reaper went full on across the spectrum to Lawful Evil, which feels kinda weird to me.
And I don't think it's ever shown anywhere that Reyes, or Reaper as he is nowadays, would kill someone just for the lolz. He's spared McCree and Genji and took them as his own in Blackwatch when his mission would have made it perfectly fine to kill/jail them. He spared guards that weren't a threat. He even freakin' spared people he had the upper hand against when he claimed he wanted to kill them, like Ana and Soldier in the Old Soldiers comic. And he went out of his way to send scouts to try to help during the Omnic Uprising in London, when he could have easily just let the chaos happen. And, even stranger, in the Doomfist comic, Doomfist says that the Uprising would have been a great opportunity for Talon. Reyes was instrumental in stopping it. Proof that, up to a year before OW fell, Reyes was NOT a part of Talon. Reaper is character that you need to think about a lot, and things just don't add up. I think there's more to him that we just don't know about.
Evenstar j
Evenstar a psychopath is born a sociopath is made
You can't torture or murder a robot, mate. Their worst crime was destruction of property
In my opinion, Reaper is the guy who sends chills down your spine and is just terrifying in the way a ghost is terrifying.
Also, he has infinite shotguns
"I'm not a psychopath. I'm a high functioning psychopath."
Its the truth. Even Reapers voice-lines tell you. He is a high-functioning psychopath. Which if you look into it, is probably the most terryfing thing you can describe a person with. Meanwhile Jack (76) is just a man who has nothing to lose, no clear goal. He snapped. He broke.
POTATOEMPN but sometjing is wrong with reaper as seen in anas comic. When she sees his face she feeezes on which reaper says "they did this to me" also he retreats instead of killing a defensless tarhet on his hit list
76 MACHINE BROKE
*2010 Sherlock Holmes TV series with Benedict Cumberbatch reference
It's actually from Sherlock but i get what u mean
Then again, you might argue that a broken man with nothing to lose is scarier than a psychopath. Soldier is obviously more unstable than Reaper, with a burning rage and lots of pain, so even as a trained soldier, he's bound to be affected by his emotions in some way. I believe this is where his brutish fighting style comes from, although it might also be a way to instill fear in the gang members.
Before video: What is this? This is a weird title
After video: Well she is right and i need to question my own ways of looking at things
Smuel SAME
I'm a 76 main and my friend is a reaper main so.....
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Great analysis
RafRocks but which one you is the evil? It is matter of perspective.
I've been watching a lot of Criminal Minds recently and the point you make is one that's discussed repeatedly during the show: an "organized killer" (Reaper in this case, with his careful planning and the precise execution of those plans) may be much harder - if not damn near impossible - to catch, but ultimately is more predictable and is therefore less dangerous overall than a "disorganized killer" like 76 who makes things up as he goes, kills whoever is in his way, and acts on his emotions rather than a plan.
Say for example they both raid an enemy building; Reaper is in and out quickly, with only the absolute bare minimum amount of collateral and death, but with 76 in his place the same raid could very likely end up with everyone in the building dead (combatant or otherwise) and heavy collateral.
This of course isn't saying Reaper is any less of a terrible terrible person, because he is a terrible terrible person, but the fact of the matter is that he's highly goal-oriented and more interested in getting what he wants and getting out than 76, who isn't concerned at all with the effect his actions have on himself or anyone else.
Good point, good video! :D
He is concerned with the effect of his actions, otherwise he wouldn't have saved the little girl.
It's very interesting how much Soldier changed. From the Commander of Overwatch who strictly played by the book to no longer caring about the book, which is also interesting because that may have been how reaper and soldier came to hate each other. Morrison wanted to do things properly and legally and had his hands tied while Gabriel didn't want to follow said rules because it wasn't working.
before:
Jack: my lord, is that legal?
Gabriel: I will make it legal
Now:
76: acts as a Batman vigilante
Reaper: enraged his mission at Volskya went off the rails
You forgot one thing. Reaper got specific orders. Soldier 76 is doing things on his own. besides Reaper says in the Masquerade comic that he kept an eye on Sombra. if she'll do a thing out of order. he will kill her on the spot. I don't think Soldier would do such a thing to his teammates. Edit: oh wow I actually started a discussion about this.
Yeah, finaly somebody said it.
Really? Cos if he's been watching her he surely knows she's up to no good and she's still alive and well
But Reyes worked with similarly untrustworthy people in Blackwatch. Both Genji and McCree were not the most trustworthy people when they started. For Reaper, Sombra is a needed component and will get rid of her once she goes against that. But we don't have any basis that Soldier wouldn't go after a teammate if they betrayed him. There isnt much support on if he would or wouldn't, but I would lean towards not getting rid of teammates. But this is definitely shoots the gruff soldier with a heart of gold right through.
I didn't get a vibe that he would kill her. Sure he seems to just be tolerating her, but where are you getting something this drastic from?
didn’t it specify that Reyes turned black watch against overwatch?
I think the control is what makes Reaper more terrifying. A man who has planned for everything can crush your forces quickly. A man that runs in without a plan and a black ops 2 aimbot doesn't sound so bad. Yes, collateral is a consequence to everything. But, what is more deadly? A well oiled focused cannon, or a loose one?
Nick Lava well what do you want to see at night a white mask or a bright red line and a gun
The gun. That immediately confirms they are human, and thus, killable. A white mask when i have just woken up? Idk what it could be.
I'd like to disagree, here's why. Reaper kills, 76 beats the ever living crap outta you, which is arguably more painful but you're still alive. The creators even edited a scene where it could be argued that he possibly killed. Good point on the whole if you give up Reaper won't kill you, but I'd also like to point out that the same precision that Reaper is known for lends more credibility to his fear factor. I don't think Reaper would have saved the girl if he was in 76's position, rather he would have perused and finished the job. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think Reaper has won every confrontation against 76, beginning with the fall of Overwatch. Even Ana was shocked when she saw what lies under Reaper's mask. 76 is more erratic and unpredictable, but the strategic mind and a body that was blown up and by a tesla cannon and simply reformed give Reaper the edge in my opinion.
You're lying to yourself if you think none of those thugs died. They edited a scene with the pinata, replace a brick that was originally there with it. Yeah, the original plan was for 76 to beat someone's head into the pavement with a brick.
K. Gulecka I know he has killed. The brick being edited into a pinata isn't proof in itself since that's bow proof that he didn't kill the thug. However 76 using helix rockets against the thugs and his visor is killing. I still stand by my assessment though. One will go out of his way to get you even if you surrender and the other will not, favoring instead to get the job done first. Bad news for you if his job is to take you out.
Reaper is apart of an organization and leads his own team. Soldier 76 works on his own accord and has nothing left to lose. Sure he saved a life, but he'll kill anyone in his way to get to the truth. He's pretty much the punisher of Overwatch.
From what I've seen they're both pretty ruthless. The only difference is that Reaper doesn't care if it's someone who deserves it or someone who doesn't. I'd be much more scared of the man that has nothing to lose.
@@Goaheadandstaymad21332 Except Soldier 76 was fighting douchebag murderers and Reaper was against people who were just doing their jobs peacefully, and that Reaper kills and Soldier 76 tries not to kill when he can. He only hesitated to save the little girl, because he was betrayed by everyone he saved in the past, and in the middle of a fight it's hard to think. Ultimately, he sacrifices his quest to save a girl's life. If he trully did not care about anyone in the pursuit of his mission he would have just let her die. He's much more of a Batman than a Punisher in my book.
One thing to take note on is their looks. Mostly their classic looks.....
Jack Morrison is looked on as the handsome blonde with good looks. He's basically the one you would want to make a GI Joe Action Figure out off. He's seen as the hero that led a once great organization. And he's the one with a statue while Reyes doesn't even have one. Which is joked upon by Reyes himself in the Official Uprising Comic where he says to Jack, "I'm not the one with a statue."
But like you said, Jack is the one with a brutish/hard nature. Speaking of Reyes.....
Reyes wears a black hoodie and always appears to be serious. Hell, one could pin him as a future villain from the start. On top of it he leads a group called "Blackwatch". Because yeah, that name won't raise any questions... He probably never makes public appearances while Jack is the one always in the spotlight. Kinda like Batman and Superman.
Yet Reyes is the calm one as you mentioned. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if deep down Reyes was the person that the public saw Morrison as. It wiuld be an interesting twist.
Classic case of looks not being what they seem? Maybe.
I think he wasn't made the public image also because he doesn't seem to have the best people skills. He's pure sass and sarcasm and doesn't look very inviting. And he was way more likely to question authority than Jack ever was before OW fell. Think back to Uprising. Reyes had Blackwatch agents scouting to try to help with the situation even though he wasn't supposed to. Morrison took a lot of convincing from many people before he decided to do anything about it. If the UN was going to give a position of power to someone, who would you rather have it be? Someone who can listen to the rules, or someone who just shrugs and goes I DO WHAT I WANT.
Reyes was the leader of Overwatch during the Omnic Crisis. Morrison was made leader during the peace times. Reyes is better at staying calm during conflict and thinking through solutions to problems. Morrison is a better people person who can act as a political figure and a public icon. Sucks for Reyes, but the way things happened make sense.
I think it’s much simpler than that. I think what Blizzard is going for is that Reaper is Lawful Evil and Soldier 76 is Chaotic Good
Morrison by overwatch members was seen more as commander material than reyes who brought the win over the omnic crisis. Yet as a reward for winning the war he was demoted from commander position put to blackwatch to vanish from all publicity and thus all the glory from his deeds was given to newly promoted morrison. To say reyes is twisted angry and holds a grudge is an understatement. Oh yeah thats another thing blackwatches existanse wasnt public knowledge. Wheb reyes Betraid OW he published all blackwatch operations and their connections to OW which leaded to the bad pr for OW and morrison and why OW activity is said to be banned in all countries in winstons cinematic. So really reaper comes off as a sympathetic bad guy. And soldier 76 as betraid hero. Again he acts all edgy for the los muertos but saves the little girl without any real hesitation. If I had to guess he is trying to give out the image that he is a loose cannon in hopes of scaring few thugs. But in reality still follows the same morale code as seen with ana since their reunion.
^NutcasE^ Rewatch the cinematic; there was definite hesitation. "Do I risk losing these badguys, or save this girl?" He thought it over far longer than most heroes would.
there really is no hesitation. He looks at the car then back at the girl in next 0.3 seconds EXPLOSION. which means that he instantly charged in to save her. If he hadnt. She would be cooked.
Well, reaper is a way more creepier than 76. You said it, reaper can remain calm in any given situation, something that 76 can't do. That is why reaper is creepier and more dangerous, by remaining calm, he can make good decisions. That is a total advantage in the battlefield.
Dominique Brien Maréchal You make a good point but, I think the reason Jack is more creepy is because he's more animalistic like she said in the video making his actions unpredictable. Although reaper can remain calm and asses the situation it would only be useful if he had a grasp of the persons patterns which is kinda hard to do if the person is acting like a cornered beast.
zaiko brooks the thing with animalistic is that its very VERY predictable and easy to manipulate. All you need is patience and a decoy steak with a cage. Reaper however manipulates both his superiors, operatives and his enemies. Giving doomfist image of being just another smart gun with benefits. While making sombra think she is outsmarting him to know more of her motivations. And makimg winston think he defeated him.This is the very reason reyes was the commander during omnic crisis his motherfucking natural when it comes to leading anykind of group.
Don't forget the fact that the group he was running in overwatch (blackwatch) was not a simple hit squad, it was the covert operations section of OW. He knows his shit.
Dominique Brien Maréchal Against Reaper (unless you are his main target), it's enough to act like a dumbass and show that you're not a threat and just stumble your ass away. However, if you'd do this to Soldier, he'd chase after you and kill you.
76 is basically batman, just because he's brutal doesn't mean he isn't calm. They're two different things.
well he is a soldier tbh
LuneIM They are both soldiers.
Good sodiers are like Reaper
Reaper is a soldier too
They were both trained in the Soldier Enhancement Program, so yes, Reaper is also a soldier
but in the retribution event, Reaper was the one who messed up their mission, and killed the business man
Well, the businessman was a problem, and seeing as the plan was had already failed, he did what he deemed to be best in that situation.
@@evenaarek1042 which wasn't the plan. They obviously would have had a backup plan cuz its Blackwatch but Reyes just snapped too and said "fuck it, just die"
I agree with you but like that business man told if they just capture him he will get out of prison because he have a lot of influential "friends" so he not only stay out from punishment but also accuse Overwatch for break into his house so Gabriel done only thing he could think of in that short moment and killed this business man. And I want to highlight fact that he done this unexpectedly without thinking or planning it and he done that for his friend
me: *watches one video by you*
me: hmm........ interesting....
me: *proceeds to watch all 174 of them*
pussy power.
Reaper: I mean yeah, I think I'm badass too but I don't take my ego to the workplace j a c k
I feel like the events in Rialto give more insight to Reaper's personality. He didn't "stick to the mission" then and that snowballed into a huge fiasco, even after they escaped Talon's forces. On the other hand, there was also voice lines that showed Reyes to be a dangerous man when he threatened to shoot one of his own Blackwatch members during one of many heated exchanges.
Mcree: "How are you going to explain this to the strike commander?"
Reyes: "You let me worry about what Jack needs to know."
Mcree: "You know you can't shoot him."
Reyes: "No, but I could shoot you."
You messed up on one thing. During the Omnic crisis, Gabriel was the original strike commander due to his senior rank in the Armed forces. After the Omnic crisis, Jack was named Strike commander of overwatch. And before Gabe died and became reaper, he was commander of blackwatch.
Here's the thing.. Is reaper a true villain, well.. If he was, he wouldn't care who he hurt and he wouldn't care who he killed. But, I've noticed, he does not kill the innocent. After reviewing his back story several times.. He has never harmed anyone that didn't have it coming. Does that make him bad, no. Does it make him evil, no. What is he really... More of an anti-hero. Remember this, a hero to one person is a villain to another. Its all a matter of perspective.
I already know Gabriel was the original Strike-Commander. In making this video I just went strictly with canon's narrative that currently paints Reaper as a villain type of character. While it's true there is no evidence that he kills the innocent/non-threatening opponents, we don't have enough lore to call him an anti-hero quite yet. He's currently targeting former agents of Overwatch -- and he means ALL of them. Even Jack and Ana. He's also working with a terrorist organization that seems to be looking for ways to plunge the world into chaos, which to most, is Not Ideal. The only reason we have for Reaper targeting Overwatch agents is pure vengeance, and we have no idea if he feels that every single former agent must die, or if there's a specific system he goes by when killing them. Is he taking out traitors? The ones who didn't "pick his side"? Or literally just everyone like he says? We don't know all his motives, so it's a bit of a stretch to try and call him an anti-hero (even though I desperately want to believe he's not entirely villainous)
As for your last statement: "A hero to one person is a villain to another", it's a good point, but I do wonder, to WHO would Reaper be a hero to exactly?
He killed russian soldiers?
Raeyne Jaymeson finally, someone gets me
On the topic of Reaper's list, he has in game voice lines refering to it. If you kill anyone who has been a part of Overwatch in the lore, he may say the voice line "Another one of the list." But there are two characters that trigger this voice line that I find really intersting. Killing a Junkrat will trigger this voice line. Junkrat has nothing to do with Overwatch. Possibly his treasure or secret has something to do with this, or is something Talon wants. Junkrat is the only character who was not canonically part of Overwatch that triggers this voice line. I have about a 100 hours of Reaper now. I know what I'm talking about. The other interesting one is killing an enemy Reaper. Essentially, this means Reaper is on his own hit list. Does this mean he is suicidal or something?
It means that that line shouldn't be given any meaning.
I disagree, mostly because youre comparing someone who is a hardened soldier who is trained to complete missions, no matter the cost, versus a leader who may or may not have had criminal activity before Blackwatch. Their standing was one of militaristic because thats what Overwatch was and still is in some regards, a military power. Soldier feels someone has destroyed his family and he has made it his mission to find out who. Reaper on the other hand, had little to no real connection to the family besides surface level friendships. He used cold, calculated thought to reason the right course of action. We are essentially arguing, "Which is better, a psychopath or a sociopath?"
Weren‘t they both Soldiers? And even then, isn‘t it a War crime to shoot and kill people who are giving up and retreating?
I think that Reaper is the evil guy out of these two, but he also is the one of the two who doesn’t‘t let his victims suffer, like Soldier does.
I dont think he was a soldier, but I do know he had combat experience. someone can correct me on that if I'm wrong about Reaper. Yes and no about the retreating thing. Its not a war crime because he is not in a literal war but what he is doing could be viewed as terrorism and I'm guessing from the short he would be a domestic terrorist. But so would so many other heroes we see in film, for example, the Premise of Taken is basically a guy's daughter is kidnapped and he must go save her. He is a hero for fighting to protect his daughter, but he still killed many men on foreign soil.
I agree, basically why I made the comparison of psychopathy to sociopathy. Reaper is one of many morally ambiguous characters that their end goal will ultimately make them the bad guy or not. Raz Al Ghul is the same way; He does not wish to kill but to only find the quickest, most efficient and profitable way of completing his missions(crime) he dislikes taking life but has done so in the past.
And as far as what Soldier did with making them the gang member suffer, I'd say it served two purposes, intimidation and interrogation. He wishes to scare the gang members into giving up info because their numbers were greater than he was they felt confident in bringing him down so killed efficiently until he could handle one and then he made that one suffer. sorry for the lengthy reply its just something I'v been discussing with a friend lately lol
Joel Ayers Reaper was a Soldier. He was in the same Human super-solider experiment...thing (can‘t remember the name) as Solider76.
There is no difference between a psychopath and a sociopath. It's the same mental disorder.
@KheptlaxxXonu Psychopathy and Sociopathy are very different in nature and it boils down to how the individuals that have these dispositions actually view the world thanks to a chemical imbalance in the brain. For instance, Sociopaths are incapable of understanding emotion and affection and simply view it as a means to an end and will ultimately emulate that to get what they want. Some examples of this are Sherlock Holmes and Hannibal Lecter. Psychopaths are people who experience too much emotions and lash out in often times gruesome ways whether to harm or to kill. These are the sorts of folk you'd hear about on the news that have just "Gunned down 34 people at local mall" This simply the easiest difference between two and ther are dozens more, I'd encourage you to read up on this if youre interested in learning more about this topic
Love lore breakdowns like this. Mad that I didn't see this sooner but great vid overall!
Something to consider when it comes to Soldier's situation. He's using melee attacks on the gang members because his weapon is best used at range. If he were to actually fire his gun in those close quarters, he would cause a lot of collateral damage (just taking ballistics into account).
You are assuming that solider treats other people like the Los Muertos gang. You also keep saying his one goal is to find out what shut Overwatch down. There is evidence against that. There is one line where he says "Los Muertos is a cancer on this city" and another "Reyes should've clean up the deadlock gang a long time ago". The Deadlock gang is planning to blow up a bridge in route 66 and in the video you used, the Los Muertos gang were beating a Omnic (likely to death) and invited the little girl to do it with them. Its safe to say these people are not nice and most likely are murderers themselves. His treatment of the gangsters may not be him not caring about who he hurts on his way to his goal, hurting them may have BEEN his goal, like "you hurt these people you answer to me, then shortly after God...then the devil"...he'll kill them. I don't think hurting a lot of people is collateral damage, it seems like hurting a lot of the right people is the goal.
On the topic of reaper, i think your right, they were people doing their job and they were out of danger when they were out of his way.
PS. His hesitance to save the girl could have been a "lose one save 100" calculation. Those people were obviously not doing charity work with the stuff on the truck, it was weapons. He could have been weighing the decision of chasing the truck and leaving the girl (killing the girl but possibly saving dozens or even hundreds more) or saving the girl and letting the truck get away (saving the 1 girl and possibly letting the dozens or hundreds be shot through his inaction).
So both of them can be seen as good in that way. Hurting bad people, sparing the harmless and innocent.
bokunobaka The hesitation wasnt really a hesitation. More like a gaze on how fast and far they will get after all if he had really hesitated the girl had been cooked.
And the fact that he bothered to recover her wallet and again DIDNT KILL ANYONE really shows that he is trying to strike fear into the criminals and still has a good heart.
Thank you. Was thinking this the whole video.
IceFire yeah but the only reason the reaper "spared" the innocent was because they didn't have anything to do with the mission, if the roles were reversed and reaper had to take out the gang then he would have killed everyone and not even considered saving the girl
Soldier 76 isn't Jack Morrison anymore. With the collapse of Overwatch, he saw playing fair wouldn't get him to where he needed to be. He knows there is no point trying to maintain his moral code, so he does what he thinks is necessary to finish the job
like the darker version of batman, Thomas Wayne
Good vid kid. Wasn't sure what I was getting into from the title, but you had some very accurate insights. Keep up the good work.
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Here's what intrigues me; Soldier 76's mission is to "Find out what rogue elements brought down Overwatch." But all the lore points to Overwatch simply not being needed anymore. Various international groups unanimously decided that, with the omnic threat neutralized, there simply wasn't need for a high tech task force of mercenaries solving the rest of the world's problems. I may be overthinking things, but it feels like Morrison is desperately trying to oust the boogiemen that he THINKS destroyed his precious task force instead of facing the reality that he just wasn't needed anymore. It screams of denial, especially when you look at it next to 76's work; Beating the snot out of small criminals and working as a mercenary on small time gigs.
Zane perhaps, but Blackwatch planed to bring down part of Overwatch. Jack doesn't know that, and neither does the world. There may also be additional people behind the fall of Overwatch, corruption. Lies. Deceived points.
reaper_reyes_ 3642 Overwatch left Ana to die and Gabriel to suffer and Blackwatch isn't evil. Read some ow comics ffs
Hanzo Shimada they weren't evil, however Gabriel had supposedly been 'corrupted' via the fact that he wasn't appointed leader, and thus made a plan to bring Overwatch down; the majority of Blackwatch agreeing. It's in the lore for crying out loud
That's what you're lead to believe, but there's no actual evidence that Gabriel planted the bombs that blew up Zurich HQ. That's not in the lore yet.
EdgeLady indeed, that was my second point 😂. Moral of all seen so far, we must wait until more lore is uncovered
Soldier, for all his brutality, is beating the shit out of and yes killing gangbangers. Gangbangers who are not afraid to open up with fully automatic rifles and a fucking MINIGUN in an urban area. They honestly the deserve no less and the cops would of been aiming to kill as soon as the guns came into play as well. Soldier brutalizes them, but doesn't open up with his most lethal option until they pull equally deadly weapons themselves. He could of just gunned them down from the shadows if killing them outright was his intent.
Reaper on the other hand is killing soldiers whose job it is to protect the facility they are in. Yes, he spares the one, but more likely because it would of been a waste of ammo to kill a harmless opponent then any moral reason. He is, after all, blatantly murdering a bunch of folks just doing their job.
I don't see how this even comes close to making Reaper the less morally questionable of the two. On one hand you have an admittedly brutal ex-hero who still does what he can to help innocent people when the option is open to him. On the other you have a psychotic, soul eating ghost whose only reason for not shooting an unarmed, innocent person boils down to "it's a waste of ammo".
Also note: Yes 76 hesitated to save the girl, but in the end he still saved her. That hesitation is the key difference between the two. You're lying to yourself if you think Reaper would of even given her a single glance. He would of stayed mission focused, which is one of his biggest traits as you've pointed out, and left her to die without a thought.
Lesson of the day: Good does not always equal nice and evil does not always equal cruel. Being brutal and angry at the world doesn't change the fact that 76 is ultimately a good person. Nor does being focused and efficient change the fact the Reaper is a terrible one.
Dragoon 321 Gang bangers? Is that what they were going to do with the girl?
Nah robots only.
Dragoon 321 I still see good in Reaper.
gangsters* xD
No, not a typo, just everyone having their mind in the gutter or a difference in lingo. Not sure which.
Seeing as I live near Chicago there's a very specific kind of criminal that goes with the word "gangster" around here. Gangsters to me invoke the likes of Al Capone or Lester Gills. No one that lives near me would say "Gangster" to describe a bunch of teenage thugs with guns unless it was done sarcastically to mock them.
Gangbangers, when the mind isn't in the gutter, is what we use to describe said teenage thugs instead. The more embarrassing connotations are on purpose as a form of mockery though most of them fail to notice it. The difference in wording is to deny them being compared to legends like Capone who have kind of mystique in the local culture.
Well, soldier got a lot less menacing after his secret came out.
Love how you actually try to back up your points with evidence like the voicelines and the talks from the uprising mission. One can feel that you put some effort into the video and that it's not just a clickbait title!
Actually, according to Blizzard, Sold's first intenton was to smash that dude's head to the ground till it'd become a bleeding mess, obviously this was changed to the piñata scene due to the extreme violence of the first one hahaha
Jyagantz she mentioned that in the video
Who else thinks they should add a sort of campaign to overwatch as a sort of back story type deal
I agree since the other sources of lore aren't that available to everyone
That's kinda what the events, maps, and skins are for. If you hover over some skins, it tell you a bit about them.
Forced solo, gameplay with NPCs as Soldiers you’re not able to play as. Anyone else think this isn’t too bad an idea?
i think it should be mission based with players choosing from a set character list. like left 4 dead. that way character bonds and conflicts could be established as they happen in the lore. a mission with 1 guy playing morrison on the ground while ana provides sniper support would be a super crazy mission. or tracer and lucio having to escape an exploding warehouse.
Very good idea. I thought about it too.
You forgot one thing REAPER HAS FUCKING SUPER POWERS
Soldier is basically has everything of what captain america has but he's old. Reaper too, he as his teleportation and his wrath
Reaper and Soldier 76 were both part of the soldier enhancement program during the omnic crises. Reaper just has his bonus wraith powers because of Moira's experimentation on life.
This is _so_ good. And the new Retribution event just drives all these points home further. Nicely done.
Very well-researched and articulated argument. After hearing it then looking online to dig up more Overwatch lore, I'd have to agree, Soldier 76 is less predictable and less strategic an opponent than Reaper, who acts more like an actual strike commander than Morrison ever did.
So how is planning a bad thing?
Yeah but considering his voice lines and his action during the uprising event. He is a little bit of a d*ck
But at least a big black one. -You didn´t read that-
WarriorDan .... start worrying when something happens then run
Well, a bitchy commander is a must-have in every team
Soldier 76 has anger problems i believe
I've seen someone somewhere suggest that Soldier76 could have some form of Borderline Personnality Disorder, what with his anger and impulsivity and all.
76 HAS PTSD, he was literally blown up, and reaper was at least partially responsible
AdamsyahM72 I mean, all those years on the run, he probably hadn't nut in years
Dovah Cheese
He needs to get over his beef with his tsundere senpai and then they can nut over and over as long as they want and nobody will disturb them cuz no one wants to see grandpa porn
Soldier hates this generation of people, I don't blame him. Legit like 80% of girls in my school are brats and 80% of boys are douc#bags who get in trouble all the time and can't follow the rules if their life depended on it. Basically, I don't like many people who go to my school. Not to mention Bon Jovi is better than every singer this generation.
Soldier is a man who has seen the darkest part of humanity, he isn't afraid of anything but his experience made him detached from everything so loosing everything put him in a position where he has nothing to loose. The only thing he has in mind is vengeance, but yet the good in him helps keep him in line.
this is the fist video I've watched from you. I really love your channel
weak argument. The opponents that they are facing are different. One is facing military, that are not interested in hurting people and the other is fighting ruthless gangsters with support advantage. The army isn’t going to continue be a problem for reaper. Where as the gangsters will continue to terrorize the town they are in. 2 soldier was split between saving one girl or possibly thousands of people. And saving a little who stayed and watched the killing, rather than leaving.
narutomandongo he beat a unarmed person to death with a pinata, reaper let a guy with a gun go
The PeaceKeeper he didnt see him and reaper killed more and had a squad with him
The PeaceKeeper Soldier was fighting a gang who he believed to be terrorizing the town they had control over (and they were shown to directly before the fight started as we see gang members beating an omnic to near death) while Reaper most likely recognized that the Russian soldiers were just guys doing their jobs and we saw him spare any who weren't going to shoot him or interfere with his mission.
Reaper just sees himself as completing his mission and doesn't seem to want to cause any harm outside of that while 76 sees himself as bringing down harsh retribution on those who cause harm to others.
Rhyan Andrews The top brass of the military is corrupt. The soldiers on the ground have no idea that the people running the military are corrupt and are just doing their jobs and think they're doing the right thing.
How is she corupt? She saw the opportunity to get upper hand and she took it. She took their tehnology to turn it against them.
Great point.
Yes. Soldier is scarier and reckless. But the man only had his task force. No wife, no children or anything
He considered Overwatch family. Even speaking with cadets and newcomers privately and getting to know their personalities and opinions about things happening around the world. But his closest friend tries to kill him and overwatch. And about the harshness and recklessness, well... Losing things makes you not care anymore. I mean he's considered dead by the world. Why would he even care if he dies again? But in the uprising where he was still the Morrison he was, he was a proper commander.
The main difference basicly is that reaper lost the good guy in him (probably) and Morrison his rational and heroic "Save everyone" in him.
Overall Soldier is still the good guy that will still be the good guy. Maybe he will lose hope or anything but I dont think he'll kill someone who isnt a threat to anyone. But reaper... Well he's the edgelord psychopath whom we all know and love
Great response.
His wife is widow maker
Wot?
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K T C soldiers x wife is widowmaker
Awesome vid!! Keep it up!
We still need a Reaper cinematic so that we can actually focus on Reaper.
I think Reaper and Symmetra would probably get along, then.
TheWordyWarlock no reaper and mie would get along great they both don't have souls
TheWordyWarlock it's a little different, Symettra has autism, thus she wouldn't accept many people (Gabriel included) in the first place.
Symmetra has some form of autism. Reaper has some form of antisocial personnality disorder, be it sociopathy or psychopathy. I'll tell you right now from personal experience. I don't know how people with autism feel about antisocials. But antisocials...we don't get along that well with people with autism.
IceFire us anti-social people don't get along well with most to be fair.
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No. Just no.
I am sick to death of so many people blaming heroes for the actions of villains.
The thugs threw the grenade, the thugs we terrible people. If someone takes a hostage during a police chase, would you blame the police, or the violent person?
Think of it like the train switch problem.
If he lets them escape, countless other little girls- & their families- WILL be harmed. But, to save the untold numbers, he would need to effectively let 1 die.
Neither is the *right* choice.
Another great example is Batman & Superman.
Batman lets Joker live, causing thousands of deaths, which a lot of people blame on him.
Superman (in Injustice Universe) kills Joker, saving untold thousands, though that leads him down a path to being flat out murderous.
It's a grey area, but one thing is certain- evil people are always responsible for their actions & the people they hurt. The only question is how responsible the person who doesn't stop them is.
Yes. Thank you. Soldier did not put the girl in danger.
First off, Alejandra ran into the alley of her own will because she didn't know any better. Soldier did not bring her there.
Second, Soldier had no knowledge of Alejandra's prescence in the alley until right before the grenade was thrown. New variables entered the situation and he needed time to fully process and come to the right conclusion.
Third, Soldier did not throw the grenade or knowingly do anything else to endanger Alejandra. That was the Los Muertos doing. Soldier was trying to intervene with their criminal activities and ultimately moved to protect Alejandra when he recognized that she was in danger.
Soldier 76 was not in any way responsible for the danger that Alejandra was in.
I don't think the argument was on good vs evil. It was more a matter of "If you had to fight one of these two, who would you pick?" Yeah, both might kill you, or maybe let you go, but Reaper is clean and efficient, minimizing suffering. As we saw in the cinematic with Soldier76, he enjoys the beating a tad bit much and is wasting time. A simple shot to the face is a lot quicker than a burning...what was that a pinata? If I had to bring alignments into this, I'd say Reaper is more lawful evil, if we assume the good and evil is part of perspective. Soldier is more Chaotic good, if the same assumption holds for both.
While on that, Talon was fighting against Valskya (sp) Industries, something that has been making shady dealings facilitating a war while claiming to be defending from the same people they are receiving aid from. We assume that Reaper is killing innocents, but we don't really know a whole lot about the groups of who they are fighting. We assume that military=good and thugs=bad. The fact is we don't really know because Blizzard is only pumping out these cinematics to keep people interested and guessing. Keep the hype up on a product and more people will come to it.
liberal video.
Karl The Fragr Wow. That actually makes sense! Good job!
Justin Helms That whole "it was the heros fault" bs is a reason why i hate the civil.war comics. Oh a bad guy leveled an entire neighberhood? Better vlame the heroes that tried to stop him instead of, you know, the damn villain.
I did not know what to expect with this video. This is a very good video :D
It’s probably due to what happened when jack tried to be the hero and that the heroes don’t win and he finally realize that he is a soldier but reaper always knew he was a soldier and that instead of showing heroism he’s more efficient i’m guessing this is why reaper hated jack cause jack stays on the spotlight and forgets that he is a soldier while reaper has to work in the shadows
"One shot kills soldiers defending factory"
"Beats up criminals harassing girl"
Yeah he's the bad guy alright.
She's obviously talking about the way they go about it
Except Reaper's straight up a killer of anyone in his way and Soldier only goes after those doing something wrong.
Nick he only kills his targets and people that try to stop him from doing so like soldiers, in the infiltration short you can see how he didnt shoot an unarmed guy that was trying to scape from him
DevourTheSun It was made very clear during hero's he was really conflicted about chasing after the gang or saving the kid. Changing his mind at the very last instant. He would absolutely not hsve a problem with civilian casualties and probably only turned back here because the truck was already gone and he might and only might hsve conflict over letting a child die. Reaper is clearly the one civilians have nothing to be afraid of. Get down. Don't get in his way. And he won't even so much as glare at you
Jared Owens Then again, it's not like the truck filled with with dangerous weapons and a dangerous group of thugs . I believe it was "kill one save a hundred" deal
Derp Shifter Dangerous thugs who are now utterly terrified to go outside at night because their afraid he's going to find them again. Like I said. The truck was long gone by the time he made the call to save the kid
Okay that may be true. But just because you kill "bad guys" Bashing in somebody's skull with a pinata on fire doesnt make you good. or sane.
This is a great video you deserve 10k subs
SOOOOOO... Soldier 76 is just like Batman and Reaper is like Deathstroke
Didn't even think of that!
Flamingdarkrider
Batman breaks his first rule often in comics, his first rule was originally not to use guns.
They changed it so that Batman would seem more child friendly, Silver Age.
Then, or now he just incapacitates or murders criminals.
Flamingdarkrider
Well, Deathstroke is much deeper than that, he has mercy, if you surrendered he would let you go, if you weren’t important to him.
He does care about collateral damage, he takes fights out of a populated area if it doesn’t benefit him to stay.
The Arrow show on CW mixed his character a bit, making him more brutal then he is in the comics.
Do yourselves a favor. Go to the final spawn room of the attacking team on Watchpoint Gibraltar. What do you see?
Missiles.
Stacks and stacks of ballistic missiles. Makes you wonder.. Maybe shutting down Overwatch isn't such a bad idea.
Which is scarier: "i'Ve GoT yOu In My SiGhTs!" or "die Die DIE!!"
neat character analysis :) We need more like this
So Soldier: 76 is basically Ben Affleck's Batman?
Hes the punisher with a combination of Frank Miller's batman on TDKR
Yeah reaper's voice line:I am the angel of death.His real name:Gabriel..Guess who else was named gabriel known as the angel of death.What makes reaper more frightful is that HE IS A DAMN AVATAR OF THE GOD OF DEATH who has returned ONLY to take revenge and gather souls of heroes to torture them to eternity..Also..Take Soldier's gun and he is just a badass fighter..Take reaper's shotguns..He will bring new ones from the void and teleport behind you.Also he has a badass mask and an even more badass voice.I believe the difference between reaper and soldier is that reaper is Evil and soldier is Chaotic .. If u want a real answer to the question this lady gives us ..Imagine learning one day that these two are hunting you down for reasons and they want to kill you..Would it be Soldier or Reaper the most scary?
Vaas Montenegro I'd say Reaper. And you're profile picture looks like pre-Reaper. I'd love to see a cosplay if you're up for it!
They are both hot i want them both to hunt me
Vaas Montenegro but what’s the definition of insanity
Imagine seeing yourself being reapetedly bashed by soldier.
Waffles Killer Stop it. Get some help.
Dang the amount of research put into this is amazing!
I think you make some valid points but his relentless smashing of a Los Mortis’ head was, the impression I got, out of endangering an innocent victim with a live grenade. The whole thinking twice between Alejandra and the gang was more so to portray how effective he was to think on his feet - he did save her after all with a slide despite the delay.
The first guy was Call of Duty, and everyone loved him
The other guy was named *DEATH GUN*
I'm a reaper main and I think we should have a pretty princess skin for Reaper...
Hunter XD must be hard to Main and R2 only character
HOLY ****! This was like figuring out that the bar scanner things scan the white parts instead of the black ones.
"Right or wrong, I'm gonna finish this war!" It says it all on that voice line👌🏻
Me going down the rabbit hold of R76 videos as a Gabriel Reyes stan: yes, analyze both these characters in three dimensions and look past the good guy bad guy dynamic
"even when the gangstas were already on the ground, begging and screaming for him to stop, he proceeds to "brutally murder them" "
Now we know the secret reason why Soldier went after Los Muertos
They were all guys.
I see what you mean with this but no. Soldier beating up the goons in Dorado is literally just him cleaning up some gang that terrorized peoples lives and made them live in fear, the decision to save the girl was obvious to show that even though he's on a path of revenge he still fights for the good above all. Reapers mission in the sombra cinematic was literally just an assassination and the guy he didn't kill was just some guy who got KO'd and wasn't even worth his attention.
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Shane Yang or live long enough to see yourself become gay
Because fuck Jeff Kaplan
But thats just a theorie, a game theorie
you just had to take that quote from the game theorist
Everyone dose
Theory* *sorry just had to*
This is debatable as weather who’s scarier but tbh I’d have to go with Reaper. Soldier 76 used to be a hero and used to fight for the innocent and truth. Fighting to stop evil and protect people. Now however he seems to have no regard for the law and even less for others around. This shows he indeed has fell into a very dark and broody state. Now let’s look at Reaper. The man is still a killer Psychopath that LITERALLY FEEDS OFF SOULS OF HIS VICTIMS he still wants to make his missions go as smoothly as possible. He went on that mission with a specific objective and that’s all he wanted to do. Meaning he killed whoever was in his way and didn’t waste time on unnecessary targets. But best believe if he were sent on a mission to specifically kill a lot of people, he’d have little to no mercy on his enemies. Plus he also gives off a much more deadly physique then Soldier 76. The way he presents himself and tone of voice gives off the “Cross me and you *DIE* “ kinda vibe. Reaper choose a much more menacing look. His sparing that one guy just meant that he had a mission to do and it would be a waste a time to pursue a target that was no longer a threat. And besides did you see what he did to the giant robot? The thing was in shits and tatters and I’m 100% sure the guy inside wasn’t alive and well. He probably doesn’t raise his voice much because he knows how to keep cool and not panic and scream at everyone when things get rough. Overall I’m just saying I’d be more likely to wet my pants at the sight of Reaper more than Soldier 76. But hey that’s just my opinion. What do I know? :P
Very well argumented. I haven't really even never noticed how calm and controlled Reaper really is.
The biggest difference between 76 and reapers scare levels is that reaper can't die, meaning he can do things that other people can't. I'm pretty sure everyone would be scared of someone that kept coming back from supposed death- I know everyone in the game can respawn but I'm talking about the cinematic world and lore of the game, not many people there can come back to life without game mechanics- (I know this is a pretty old vid but I wanted to put my two cents in on this subject,)
Soldier 76 is literally The Punisher incarnate.
Even though I'm a soldier main and I'd like to think he's scarier, this video is wrong on many levels in the ways it reaches its conclusion. Also, you seem at times to describe both of their natures and for some reason, instead of talking about what makes Reaper scary, you only focus on what makes Soldier scary, leaving for a very one-sided video.
For one, you mentioned how Reaper didn't kill the knocked out guard at Volskaya, while Soldier killed a conscious, escaping thug on the streets. I think this is just reading too much into detail, and the situations were clearly different. Reaper was facing a whole facility and didn't have time to needlessly kill someone already incapacitated, that would be inefficient to his mission. In Soldier's case, there was no one else around yet and the thug was trying to escape and he had time to dispence his vigilante justice. Just situational differences that shouldn't be compared
Secondly, you mentioned Soldier's hesitation as if it made him more dangerous. This made no sense to me. He hesitated because he cared about saving the child. Reaper wouldn't have cared. Caring about saving others is a characteristic of heroes, and definitely not a scary trait. As you can see in the video, the thugs used this fact by throwing the grenade (wittingly or unwittingly) to facilitate their escape. Hesitation is a weakness, thats a line from the soldier himself (and yet he hesistated... a sign that Soldier is not necessarily the person he portrays himself as)
Thirdly, you mentioned how Soldier isn't afraid of collateral damage, but as I mentioned in the last paragraph, this just isn't true. If Soldier didn't care for collateral damage, he would have let the little girl die, but he didn't, he saved her and let the thugs escape. I really don't understand how you could talk about that scene, and then make this point as if that scene just never happened.
Fourthly, You mentioned the difference in style between the two, with Soldier being brutish and rash, Reaper being cold and calculating. I think that history has shown that cold and calculating has always made for a more fearsome opponent. Reaper will always keep a cool head because he is like a ghost, he has no love or connections to anything really, allowing him to plan ingenious strategies and remain focused under pressure, with nothing but the end goal in mind. Where as Soldier can possibly be diverted by attacking innocents or loved ones. Thats the classic heroes' weakness. Even though Soldier doesn't see himself as a hero anymore, deep down he really is, as we've seen in his short. The way he operates, he doesn't have to play the hero part, but when it comes down to it, he can be exposed by putting innocents in danger.
Overall, Soldier carries the heroes' weakness, and Reaper doesn't. Reaper is cold and calculating, with nothing to lose, that is very dangerous. Soldier still cares about people, which overall is a weakness. Plus, everything mentioned aside, I think its important to look at how they carry themselves. Reaper can literally teleport and go invincible and float around until he handcannons you in the face, and his ultimate screams "DIE DIE DIE". He can make himself small enough to slip through a crack in the wall at which point you're fucked. Reaper is scarier 10/10 not even a debate.
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"Hesitation is a weakness, thats a line from the soldier himself (and yet he hesistated... a sign that Soldier is not necessarily the person he portrays himself as)" - boom
this is a great video!
You should've included the "I wanna hear you squel" when he kills someone with tactical visor
Interesting! As both a Soldier and Reaper main, I feel for both of these men, and I do still see good in Reaper. Also, in game, Soldier: 76 does care for his team, and his feral and gruff fighting style in the cinematic is against gang members. Criminals who've probably warranted a grisly death anyway
I just want the dads to have happy endings, man. All of them. They deserve it.
SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT. Thanks!
I mean if reaper saw the 12 year old girl he would have left her to die without thinking about it.
The difference is, reaper would've let the little girl die if his mission was to stop the gangsters.
"Come on now, what's scarier than a big black cloak?"
A white van with free candy inside.
What about a red visor looking at you when passing by a dark place
Maybe it's because of how they were in their prime too. Jack was always the leader and the head of overwatch, but now he doesn't want to lead. And he doesn't care about others as much since he doesn't have to. Reaper on the other hand always wanted to lead and wanted to get the job done. Ironically being in charge of blackwatch which was in charge of keeping peace through soldier's current moral code of any means necessary. Reaper might be the bad guy right now but a video like this almost makes him look like an anti-hero instead.
Both these characters remind me of Frank Castle (Soldier 76) and Billy Russo (Reaper) from The Punisher TV series because they are both brutal if not dangerous weapons to there targets and there own teams but there both almost committed to there goals what ever it may be, Also awesome video and has made me look at these characters in new lights even more