Lol "I was told". I love it when people say "I was told" because they were told things by people that don't test and can't afford to test things themselves lol
working on something similar, 400 rodek aluminum block. 4.125 x 3.25 with GM bowtie 18deg nascar heads, 5.850 rods, and twin borg warner 66mm turbos. custom built intake with a water to air intercooler sandwiched between the intake and a Holley LS top Plenum. your start up video got me excited to get this package running! Nice to see someone doing some old school small blocks, and good parts can be found relatively inexpensive. hope to make 1100 HP with it
Thank you! It’s always fun to build something different then the ‘norm’. We’ve done several Rod length/ Stroke alterations and piston combos over the years. We have a few other videos up and more to come!
@@2HacksGarage The critical measures are the stroke, Rod length and compression height of the piston. The ‘deck height’ is the measurement from the deck surface (head gasket surface) down to the center of the main journal bore. That being said, you take the deck height, subtract the rod length you want to use, subtract 1/2 the stroke length and what’s remaining is the compression height of the piston (the distance from the center of the wrist pin to the top of the piston. It’s interesting to find existing parts (instead of ordering specially made pistons for example) that can be combined to work together in a build like we’ve done here.
Like to see you build the original big bore short stroke sbc. 302 get a sm journal 327 and that 283 crank. See how it compares with same heads and cam.
Thank you for commenting! I would suspect that the same components with a smaller bore would make less everywhere. Not to say that the old DZ302 isn’t awesome!
Have you ever thought about a BBC version. Like maybe a 396 crank in a 540 block with a 6.8 rod? 😁 pistons would probably have to custom, so price would be high. Still have something like 485” engine depending on over bore.
Thanks for the idea! No I haven’t thought of that combo. Have done several LS combos, SBC’s and many SB Fords of course. One 302 Ford we built with a tall deck (8.7”) from Dart Manufacturing. 3” stroke, 6” Chevy rods narrowed to fit the journals, AFR 160cc heads, very mild cam (220/220 duration) and on 87 octane it makes 455 HP and 375 Lbs of torque. 2:1 rod to stroke ratio!
It's been done in pro stock for years. Big bore short stroke is still big bore short stroke with all the same benefits regardless of platform. Shit head.
Have you guys ever played with the Gen II sbc? It seems to me that the L99 crank with a 6.2 rod and a flat top piston with the flow characteristics of the vortec style ports of the LT1 cast iron head and reverse cooling would make this a great combo. The return on power from any power adder should be much greater than on a standard 5.7 combo.
Hello and thank you for your comment! Correct me if I’m not understanding but I think the L99 is a 6.2L LS engine used in the Camaro from 2010. Is your question about the ‘Gen ll’ as mentioned in your comment or did you mean Gen lll?
@@stevenshumey8363 GEN II L99 was the baby LT1 they put in Caprice sedans, 1994-1996. 4.3 Ltr. They came with 3" stroke cranks and 5.94 rods stock. Reved as high as the Opti Spark would let them.
I was told that it is impossible and blasphemous to make OLD technology look SOOOO GOOOD, just hanging on a hook, not to mention in the car. The LS fan base, will be very unhappy with you. I say who cares.....can't wait to hear that bad boy run!!!! Maybe some time slips from the track as well??
how do you get the spacer bearings, and it is the stock journal size?? i saw the 327 crank, 400 block and i have a couple of 283 forged cranks that i built a 310 with 4.060 bore... that thing revs fast, with a turbocharger and a 4 speed...
Sweet! It’s cool to hear other guys interested in these old school builds. Our BowTie block has the 350 mains, not the regular 400 large mains. We got the main bearing spacers from “Race Engineering”. They are King bearings for a 350 that are machined out slightly to fit the small journal main bearings.
@@ceperformance I took mine instead of the expensive spacer bearings. I used 400 bearings, align bore the inserts to accommodate 302 forged large main Crank so I could use stock 302 inserts
Everyone knows that. And a 3.875 crank would make even more, and a .060 overbore even more still, and a big block would make even even more! But none of that is what this video is about. Pulling your head out of your ass might help you see that
I don't destroy engines I stroke engines and you wanna make coarse power and torque you stroke Em you don't be stroking in strokum D stroking engines all you do is make RPM and no torque
D-stroke 377 makes just as much torque as a 383 and spins higher rpm then a 383 I've had nothing but good luck with 377 high compression or pro charger low compression they love it can take a beating I've had a couple d-stroke 317 and no torque but hand on dumping a trans brake at 8000
Don’t think of it as destroking an engine, think of it as building big bore versions of your favorite engines. Lots of applications for short stroke, big bore combinations.
Ment to say I STOKE engines I don't De-Stroke engines !! I get ur making RPM but dollar 4 dollar what ur putting in them little cube motors time,money,parts,ETC, ur proving a very small point in my eyes just saying.. Now take 434 inches of stroked SBC or smaller and see what happens i have a 412 ci that made WAY MORE HP and TQ for close to same $$$ You have alot in ur combo due to bearings machine work ETC.. I congratulate you a %100 for what you have done i just belive in Cubic inches make power... De stroking has never paid off in my race program is all im saying ! Love what ur doing 4 what it is tho !
Sweet music! So glad you have tapped into the SBC's true potential. I was told years ago that you will make more power with piston size than stroke.
Thank you for your comment!
It’s fun to try different combos and see what most cars are missing! Something unique!
Lol "I was told". I love it when people say "I was told" because they were told things by people that don't test and can't afford to test things themselves lol
@@lollipop84858 lol, I love idiots who write comments without context.
working on something similar, 400 rodek aluminum block. 4.125 x 3.25 with GM bowtie 18deg nascar heads, 5.850 rods, and twin borg warner 66mm turbos. custom built intake with a water to air intercooler sandwiched between the intake and a Holley LS top Plenum. your start up video got me excited to get this package running! Nice to see someone doing some old school small blocks, and good parts can be found relatively inexpensive. hope to make 1100 HP with it
Wow that sounds awesome! Getter going!
Thanks for commenting :)
That bore and that stroke is just a NASCAR engine. You should've just bought the NASCAR engine those parts were from
Beautifully ingenious combination 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Thank you! It’s always fun to build something different then the ‘norm’. We’ve done several Rod length/ Stroke alterations and piston combos over the years. We have a few other videos up and more to come!
@@stevenshumey8363 how do you determine rod length?
@@2HacksGarage
The critical measures are the stroke, Rod length and compression height of the piston.
The ‘deck height’ is the measurement from the deck surface (head gasket surface) down to the center of the main journal bore. That being said, you take the deck height, subtract the rod length you want to use, subtract 1/2 the stroke length and what’s remaining is the compression height of the piston (the distance from the center of the wrist pin to the top of the piston.
It’s interesting to find existing parts (instead of ordering specially made pistons for example) that can be combined to work together in a build like we’ve done here.
What cylinder head did you end up using. Or preferably what flow did you make to get 500 280? Thank you
@@russcoffell3560
Thanks for commenting.
We used AFR #916 heads.
At .500” lift the intakes flow 260 and the exhaust flows 207.
Like to see you build the original big bore short stroke sbc. 302 get a sm journal 327 and that 283 crank. See how it compares with same heads and cam.
Thank you for commenting! I would suspect that the same components with a smaller bore would make less everywhere. Not to say that the old DZ302 isn’t awesome!
Have you ever thought about a BBC version. Like maybe a 396 crank in a 540 block with a 6.8 rod? 😁 pistons would probably have to custom, so price would be high. Still have something like 485” engine depending on over bore.
Thanks for the idea! No I haven’t thought of that combo. Have done several LS combos, SBC’s and many SB Fords of course.
One 302 Ford we built with a tall deck (8.7”) from Dart Manufacturing. 3” stroke, 6” Chevy rods narrowed to fit the journals, AFR 160cc heads, very mild cam (220/220 duration) and on 87 octane it makes 455 HP and 375 Lbs of torque.
2:1 rod to stroke ratio!
It's been done in pro stock for years. Big bore short stroke is still big bore short stroke with all the same benefits regardless of platform. Shit head.
Sweet...✌️😎
Have you guys ever played with the Gen II sbc? It seems to me that the L99 crank with a 6.2 rod and a flat top piston with the flow characteristics of the vortec style ports of the LT1 cast iron head and reverse cooling would make this a great combo. The return on power from any power adder should be much greater than on a standard 5.7 combo.
Hello and thank you for your comment!
Correct me if I’m not understanding but I think the L99 is a 6.2L LS engine used in the Camaro from 2010.
Is your question about the ‘Gen ll’ as mentioned in your comment or did you mean Gen lll?
@@stevenshumey8363 GEN II L99 was the baby LT1 they put in Caprice sedans, 1994-1996. 4.3 Ltr. They came with 3" stroke cranks and 5.94 rods stock. Reved as high as the Opti Spark would let them.
@@aps454
I love that idea! Now I need to find a core. Thank you for commenting!
I was told that it is impossible and blasphemous to make OLD technology look SOOOO GOOOD, just hanging on a hook, not to mention in the car. The LS fan base, will be very unhappy with you. I say who cares.....can't wait to hear that bad boy run!!!! Maybe some time slips from the track as well??
Hey thanks Mike :)
Our 329 is going in the 66 Beaumont this week!
Lol, again with the "I was told"
how do you get the spacer bearings, and it is the stock journal size?? i saw the 327 crank, 400 block and i have a couple of 283 forged cranks that i built a 310 with 4.060 bore... that thing revs fast, with a turbocharger and a 4 speed...
Sweet! It’s cool to hear other guys interested in these old school builds.
Our BowTie block has the 350 mains, not the regular 400 large mains.
We got the main bearing spacers from “Race Engineering”. They are King bearings for a 350 that are machined out slightly to fit the small journal main bearings.
@@ceperformance I took mine instead of the expensive spacer bearings. I used 400 bearings, align bore the inserts to accommodate 302 forged large main Crank so I could use stock 302 inserts
Right on!! Is yours all together?
Or a 400 crank in a 400 block with a 6" rod and make the same RPM and more horsepower and torque. Just a theory. lol
Everyone knows that. And a 3.875 crank would make even more, and a .060 overbore even more still, and a big block would make even even more! But none of that is what this video is about. Pulling your head out of your ass might help you see that
I don't destroy engines I stroke engines and you wanna make coarse power and torque you stroke Em you don't be stroking in strokum D stroking engines all you do is make RPM and no torque
D-stroke 377 makes just as much torque as a 383 and spins higher rpm then a 383 I've had nothing but good luck with 377 high compression or pro charger low compression they love it can take a beating I've had a couple d-stroke 317 and no torque but hand on dumping a trans brake at 8000
Still fun tho torque or not
Don’t think of it as destroking an engine, think of it as building big bore versions of your favorite engines. Lots of applications for short stroke, big bore combinations.
427 lb ft is no torque?
Ment to say I STOKE engines I don't De-Stroke engines !! I get ur making RPM but dollar 4 dollar what ur putting in them little cube motors time,money,parts,ETC, ur proving a very small point in my eyes just saying.. Now take 434 inches of stroked SBC or smaller and see what happens i have a 412 ci that made WAY MORE HP and TQ for close to same $$$ You have alot in ur combo due to bearings machine work ETC.. I congratulate you a %100 for what you have done i just belive in Cubic inches make power... De stroking has never paid off in my race program is all im saying ! Love what ur doing 4 what it is tho !