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Centramatic Balancing Rings on the F450!
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I'm retired now, but I was a owner/operator for 36 years. I bought a new truck every four years. I used the centramatic's on every truck I ever owned. They not only made a smoother ride but they increased the tire life. I have a 2014 F150 and am going to see about getting some centramatic's for it. I never thought about them for pickups. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
Thankfully you chose a shop and they provided excellent service.
Based on your recommendation, I purchased and installed CenterMatics.....let me tell you. Game changer. Our 2019 F250 with Michelin Defender's would not balence out and caused horrible vibrations at all different speeds. CenterMatics fixed all the issues.
Money well spent. Thanks a bunch.
I had them on my semi for five years and they worked very well. Sold the truck to my brother three years ago and he’s still using them.
Centra-matics are awesome. I've used them on every semi I've owned. Many where on multiple trucks. I'll be putting these on my new F450 when it gets in.
Btw, it makes no difference which way you run them, they balance the same either way. They balance the tire, wheel and hub. The outside tire being the problem doesn't matter. Dual tires act as a unit when using these balancers.
You don't need weights on your wheels when using them. It's recommended to remove any additional weights, beads, etc....
Your not balancing just the tire, your balancing the whole wheel assembly. That's what makes them so awesome.
After watching this video, I checked my 2016 F450 and it has the centramatics on it! Previous owner must have added them, although it still has the stock wheels and tires. They are working well, haven't had any issues so far.
I am waiting for my new truck and would like to get the centramatic installed. Trouble is that I can't find the shop who would install them for me yet in Houston TX.
After being an big rig owner/operator for 21 years and 1.3 million miles of driving my own rig, this is what works best. First run aluminum rims-less unsprung weight-rides best and dissipates heat the best. Spin balance ALL tires (even though the stick on weights don't look the best-tire longevity is more important). Then run the Centramatics at least on the front, with running on the back good too. No other balancing system works-golf balls, sand, whatever inside the tire does NOT work.
I literally use BB's for balance beads. Yes, the kind that shoot out of a BB gun. They work great.
Keep in mind that I drive old junk rather than new stuff with tpms sensors.
I used airsoft pellets on my Jeep beadlock wheels
Class 8 owners have been using Centramatic rings on their trucks for decades! Its sweet that they make them for the smaller trucks! I hope they'll work great on your F450! Please keep us posted on them!!!
I use to run centramatica on my semi. It saved my tires and they lasted a lot longer. I had a 2005 freightliner classic xl with 84” sleeper.
Grady Lundeen yes couldn’t remember the name of them I mentioned them the last video referencing balancing.
I run Centramatic Balancers on my Kenworth with new Alcoa wheels and it really smoothed out the ride. Worth every penny. Before the Centramatics I went to 4 different shops to try and balance out the truck to no avail. After the Centramatics it became very smooth. Those who doubt are stuck in an old time reality.
Just got them installed on my 2015 chevy 3500 high country!!! Made a world of difference in the drive home!! Thanks for the info!!
We used a set of those rings on a semi trying to get rid of a shimmy on the front. Tried balancing, truing the tires, different tires, different brake hubs. Nothing was working, not even changing the king pins or a front end alignment. Lots of money and downtime, in the end it turned out to be an anti-sway torsion bar. Not on the front but on the rear that caused the issue.
I installed these Centramatic Auto Wheel Balancers on a 2008 F-350 dually Class B motorhome. They worked great, could never get rid of the vibration it had after multiple balancing and alignments. I think you will be happy with them.
After asking around several construction companies run them on their larger trucks, F-350, F-450 with no problems.
So this can be used instead of having your tires balanced? I can change the tires myself, I've just always had to pay to have them balanced. Seems like this would save a lot of time and money.
Spurious Effect you should look at the instructions but I recall it was recommended to not balance the tires.
I had them on a 2004 H1 Hummer running 42" Goodyear MTR's. Everyone who rode in my truck said I had the smoothest riding H1 they had ever ridden in. Well worth the $$$
No wheel weights with the centramatics, ran a set over a million miles on a semi, gave them away to a friend, still using them. Have a set on a 09 Honda Goldwing. Smoov ❗️😎
Not really on same topic but from past experiences. I have seen many wheel and tire combos that have had way too much weight installed, like a few ounces in various places on the wheel. When I put new tires on myself, I will put the set of paint opposite of valve stem to start and attempt to balance. If all is good with very little weight, I go with it. If not, I break the bead rotate tires on wheel in direction I think will balance better and reinstall and balance. I have gotten many tires balanced this way with minimal weight attached. Shops usually just go for the fast way, not always the best way.
Thank you for the video. You are such a wealth of knowledge and continue to give me tips on things/issues I have not even ran into yet. Really appreciate all the thoughtfulness you put into your videos. Please continue.
The centramatics are great for large vehicles. They help keep the balance even with rocks or mud on the tires. I have had them on all my 18 wheelers
I Put Centra-matics on anything from OTR trucks and trailers down to F-450’s all the time and never get any complaints. Especially with the warranty they come with and never really having to change them
Interesting product; will be fun seeing how the long-range test goes and the published results. Be safe.
As soon as I saw you said centramatic I had to watch. I have always liked the balancers on my big rigs.
Im a Dodge fan but the Ford F-450 looks so good, they finally nailed it with their body style it looks sleek yet very tough.
That other dually is gorgeous. I LOVE those wheels and tires
Back in the early 1990s, Sears had a machine that slowly spun the tire on the rim, measuring the out of roundness of the combination and ground off the edges of the high spots. Worked great when it was needed. Today they have force balancing which kind of works better and identifies pulling tires.
Awesome. You and I did exactly the same things. I had beads installed on my 450. The shimmy got worse. Fought with multiple places to get them removed. Southern Tire and another tire store couldn't get the center hubcaps off (probably a good video on how to do this - it's a pita). Finally had the Fast Lane in Scottsdale, AZ remove all of the beads and re-balance with stick-ons. Found a tire that wouldn't balance (defective), replaced the tire for me, and got me back on the road - all for zero dollars. Fast Lane is good stuff (when they aren't super busy).
Looking forward to the long-term review before I buy, but if it's favorable, I'll go get them put on the next day (get rid of the ugly sticky weights).
Those second set of beads you showed are like the ones I used. But I didn't throw the bag in the tire. I put the beads in with a bottle and tube through the valve stem.
That is the correct way to do it
Why would anyone throw the bag in? That's obviously going to cause a clump that will also constantly change as it holds more or less of the beads.
I never understood throwing the bag in. A guy I use to work with ran beads in his big mud tires on his 250 and in his 22.5" wheels on his 350. That's how he would run them and his 350 rode smooth.
I have had these on two different trucks, a Ram 2500 & my Ram 3500 ---- THEY WORK!! I had problems with the rear vibrating real bad until I put these on the rear axle of the dually.. On another note, you have to have that inner steel wheel on your dually, when running aluminum rims on the rear DOT states that one wheel per side needs to be steel (most choose the inner wheel)
Done right,,,is Correct!
Did you notice how the guy in the shop started the wheel nuts by HAND before tightening down with the impact wrench?
THATS how it should be done, unlike some jokers who don’t care if they cross thread you’re wheel studs.
Top Job 👍
I like how they let you film it because it shows they have nothing to hide.
Got these on my Peterbilt and she’s smooth as silk AND tires last longer, well worth the cost !!!
I used airsoft bbs (heaviest I can find) on the jeeps I had and on my ATVs/SxSs they work very well. The problem with the clear (small) beads and the kitty litter stuff is that they hang easily on the ribs inside the tire also any moisture in the slightest will clump them making them useless. One other disadvantage is that dynamic balancing solutions like this is that they typically aren't very effective at lower speeds but once you get above 25mph you're golden.
Thank you for the information. I have used them on my semi,but I wasn't sure if they would work on my truck. Thank You
They have affordable oil changes for my Ford Focus ST 2017. Great customer service. They offer good warranties for the tires purchased from them.
Just want to say thank you for all the information you provide.
I use synthetic hi-temp grease and lightly coat the hub corners on ALL vehicles to prevent the rust you can see @4:35, both before putting on the rotor and after using a small brush (HFT #61880). For duals I'd do the same after placing the first wheel. Wheels and rotors always come off very easily and it eliminates the rust forming in that area.
Dayum that other dually with the black wheels is a nice truck!!
lol black rims is so 2002 though ;)
@@TejasToolMan I wouldn't say 2002 but what is 2019 Chrome LMFAO! If you're ghetto lol
What size was the tires on that truck?????
I remember the tire guy telling never let them leave the bag in the tire. Even tho, it said on the directions to do so. We used the clear round beads on the front of our rv class A and loved the results .
I used them on my semi When I was trucking. They work great on a Volvo and a freightliner...
If your using the centramatics on a srw pickup, make sure to get extra spacers. They make them because the ring will contact the brake calipers on the front axle. They warrantied my first set. I've got an 08 F250 4x4.
First problem I saw was Toyo tires. If you’re looking for a premium ride go with a premium tire. Michelin. Twice the performance twice the mileage. Everything I own rides on Michelin‘s. Never have I ever had problems like this. You balance them two times throughout their life. and that’s it. Thank you for your time I appreciate the share.
Well, I had Michelin AT2 tires on both my F250 and F350 Dually and loved how quiet they were but they wore out very quickly. Toyo is absolutely a premium tire.
I had considered using Centramatics on the motorhome. I Retired from the tired industry and have heard many testimonials from Semi Drivers who swear by them. The plus side is that you can continue to use them after having new tires put on.
Big Truck Big RV - I use those Centramatics on my truck and they work great...
these balancers have been around for a very long time and they work amazingly. the problem with cat litter or the bag sand(which you toss in the bag and itll break apart as you drive) is when you add air to your tires you add moisture which then causes clumping and so the sand and litter quit working. farmers would also use golf balls.
I bought a new set of Goodyear tires for my van and had vibration issues from day one. The dealer was no help. I finally paid to have them road force balanced, only to find out two of the tires were over 50 lbs out of balance. I replaced them with Michelins, and no issues at all.
Years ago I bought a set of balancing rings from JC Whitney, but can't say they helped. It would have been nice to try this product out.
Metal balls in a ring have been used in the spindle motors of high speed optical drives for many years. Dynamically balances out of balance discs so they can be spun faster.
It makes sense, it seems to work like a harmonic balancer for the engine.
the 2017 F450 medic unit with 3000 miles, that I work in had so many problems with the ride once we put it in to service. Especially at 32 MPH and 60 plus. The shop guys put these "spin shake weights" on all four corners and it didn't fix the ride issues. Finally we took the rig back to Ford. The Ford dealer ended up putting new shocks on the front and then tried 4 different sets of tires on the factory wheels(6x4)=24 tires. The ride now is much, much smoother, but it is still not perfect. I Can't believe that the tires could be so poorly built that it took so many to find the best tires.
Should be all aluminum rims so that you can do proper tire rotation at specified intervals and not have to contend with the cheap steel rims! And don't forget to align the access holes in the balancers with the tire inflation valves!
Good shop no matter what you drive.
I am going through the exact same issue as I just got new tires this month. I did a long trip and didn't notice the unbalance during towing my 5th wheel. How ever after the trip with out the load it jumped all over the place. To the point of fishtailing. Scary! Took it back to the Ford dealership and they found 3 bad tires. They have so far suggested that I stick with the beads. I pick it up today and we will see what happens. If this still doesn't work I'm getting the centramatics. I'll let you know.
In the Uk wed balance them on the truck with a rotating balance machine that spins up the mounted wheels whilst still fitted to the truck,you can then balance out the whole assembly
Upgrade you’re track bar .. it’s the bushings in the mount...all new fords do this because it is a coil spring set up ,minor vibration gets magnified by the coils... so if u get a track bar mount with poly instead of the vulconized rubber it performs better with vibrations... I’ve driven many new 550-250 at work they all do it...
One of the main vibration/balancing issues you have are from the toyo M608 tires.
I don't know how well your rims fit the hubs, but there are rim alignment sleeves that go over the studs to center to stud in the hole. Well for semis they do. Even a .040" off set at highway speed can make a vibration, especially the harder (80+ psi) you keep the tires
I m not into all that aluminum bright wheels. I changed to 37/12.50 on 22 inch rims for my f450 and I have not problem with balancing or towing my jayco seismic toy hauler 4113. Had to modify my trailer because I raised my truck but it tows great.
Weight balancing is the best way to balance a wheel and tire period
Looking forward to hearing your experiences with the new needs. I have a 2015 Expedition with 22" custom wheels and was thinking of going with balancing beeds. With the style of my rims they would look much nicer if I can run them without those stick on weights. Thanks for sharing and safe travels.
Awesome Truck!! I've always wanted a 450.
Beautiful rig,good luck with your troubles
Thanks for the Video ! I have a 2016 F350 dually with 22.5 rims and 255/70/r22.5 tires and am going to try them on my front tires first , and if it helps , go for the rears ! I am leaving the wheel stick on weights on in case things go bad like when I had the balancing beads and the truck would bounce so bad I had to completely stop the truck to gain control !
Great video. I am excited to hear the results. My 2017 F250 is currently at Ford for the 4th time for front wheel vibration. Each time the tires are out of balance. This might need to be the route I take. Thanks!
I love the fact that the problem lies within those that are trying to fix the problem. Instead of making it a manufacturers issue. The truck is made for loading. It's going to ride different loaded and unloaded. Manufacturers should be held accountable for these issues. They are receiving your payments or flat out cash for something that needs work. If this works best it should become a standard feature with the vehicle that the manufacturer should be accountable.
Nice! I have three vehicles and two trailers I want to try these on, I hope they have a sale soon!
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Just as a general rule you never put bags in the Steer tires. And usually it's been my experience that if you're having that much trouble with your new tires. It's likely somebody sold you some tires that are out of round. It happens more often than you think. Just my two cents. And almost 20 years as a truck driver and working with 22.5 lo pros.
Headed to centramatic in the morning to put on my 2015 chevy 3500 dually. Nobody can seem to get the balance right on my truck!!
Great information. I've had alot of balance issues on my F-350 trucks over the years .
Thank you.
I wanna buy your truck !
I got those on my semi they work great
Very nice video and fun to watch. Have a nice day.
I have them on my semi and love them.
brent vance we took off an old set that been on for a long time. Cut them open and the material inside had broken down into a powder. Like anything, they too wear out.
akbychoice the powder is still effective as long as it remains sealed.
Me too! Nice even wear.
Like the truck
Have a smooth ride
I have used them since 2008 on my 2004 F-350 SRW. I have only run Michelins 285-75-16 and one set of mud tires " same size" during hunting season. I have tried running the balancers with weights but I find the tires are smoother with just the balancers. In over 200k I had one balancer that the media inside did not move as it should when turning. The asked me to try a to free the media up and it did not work. The replaced the set with no questions asked.
discount tire is the bomb. Dynamic balancing will work for you. Tks
Cool video. I've run dyna Beads in my motorcycle tires for year. I've had my FJR 1300 up to 135 MPH with absolutely no vibration at all. That is without any rim weights. I've swapped out tires and found no wear or tire debris inside the tires. I have always blown the beads in through the air stem. I didn't like the idea of a bag inside the tire that migh load up with beads and cause a problem.
So hard to get a good alignment and balance anymore I took my truck to 3 different places before getting it some what driveable
So do you still have to have the rims weighted and balanced with these?
please do this... This was the problem on my 2017 F-450 Platinum... the rear driveshaft was damaged from manufacturer. it was taken off spun balanced again and vibration still there at times. tires were already spin balanced and no problems there. the master tech at ford had to put a remote vibration sensor/oscilloscope on frame and axle and drove truck and found the driveshaft was bad. once ford approved new driveshaft all vibration went away
Randy D sometimes the problem lies in an adjacent area and often hard to diagnose. Glad you got it figured out.
@@akbychoice ford circled the problem and highlighted it in blue
Reid Smith I don’t hate Ford, but that statement was funny 😂😂😂
Randy D and
Interested to get an update after you have some more miles using the rings. It looks like a far superior product over the “sand” balancing beads that were dumped into the tire. I don’t get how that would expect to have worked. Did you find out what the employee with the similar dually running the 35”s did to get his balanced?
I love your Truck the color is nice
Can you do an update on how the Centramatic Balancing Rings are preforming
Great video everytime I watch I learn something new keep up the good work
So based on your experience I’m putting a set on the front of my 2016 F350 SD dually. If it helps out I’ll do the rear next.
Nice review and sweet truck love the color and love the alcoa wheels
Proprietary oil and bead system. LOL. I call that a couple of ounces of Marvel Mystery Oil and some BBs.
Would be nice to see someone mount one of these with a big tire on a computer spin balancer. See if it says it's balanced.
my new Sierra has the same issue vibration in the rear and no matter the balance or rim changes it's always there.Its actually loosed the ecu ground and truck was cutting out randomly
They should just build rims with these rings inside and then you'll never have to get tires balanced ever again. If they work anyways.
They would go out of business then
ON THE REAR WHEELS THE CENTRAMATIC HAS TWO OPENINGS, ONE SHOULD BE FITTED SO THE VALVE STEM IS AVAILABLE. YOU WILL HAVE TO REMOVE OUTER TIRES TO CHECK AIR PRESSURE
Looks like a good product. bill in Florida
I noticed that while your truck was on the lift, it seemed to be lifted by the back differential. According to the Ford Manuel this is a big No No. Please let me know if it was truly lifted by the back differential and your thoughts on the proper lift points.
Reason I ask is because I have a 2017 F350 SRW. And I wanted to put the truck up on jack stands and rotate the tires after doing an oil change. Could not fit a jack stand and a floor jack next to each with the Ford approved lift spots. Lifting from the back differential would have made it much easier for me. I get that you must be very careful with the differential cover. But Manuel says no differential lifting.
Thanks for your time!
It does indeed say that. No reply? Stuff like this - I don't want to take it to an "expert". Expert can't even follow basic manual instructions from the manufacturer.
Those rings have been used in the trucking industry for many years.
Can't wait to see the review on this
Love my Centramatics
nice zipper merge..wish it went that way in new orleans
You also want to make sure they off set your valve stems so u can air up your tires
Hmmm, never heard of these things. (beads or rings) Nice!!
Big Truck Big RV if you have anymore trouble, call Mike Beckett at MD Alignment & I guarantee he will fix any tire or vibration problem that you could ever imagine. He's probably the top guy in the country for any tire, wear, alignment, etc. issues and use him on our Class 8's
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You:WHAT ARE THOES???
Me:um... I think the breaks, or my jordans
Looks like you may have put the rears on wrong (at least on the drivers side). If didn't look like you lined up the slots in the balancers to the valve stems so you can do your air checks on the inner tire.
Sure can. Already done it
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