The New ELECTRIC Vauxhall Astra Has An Amazing Party Trick...
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- Jack takes a look around the new fully electric variant of Opel/Vauxhall's long-serving Astra. With a striking design, user-friendly cabin and hugely impressive claimed ranged and efficiency, could this be the new champion of C-segment family hatches?
00:00 New C-segment champ?
1:16 Vauxhall's electric story so far
3:00 Design walkaround
4:30 Range and efficiency
5:38 No bespoke architecture?
6:24 Interior review
8:15 Back seat Jack test
8:55 Vauxhall's clever plan for small EVs
11:50 Initial thoughts?
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turned off at £40k. At that price a basic model 3 is only 43k. Seems crazy to me anyone would pick an Astra over that for 3k difference.
Me too. Why would anyone pay that much for an admittedly mediocre car? Vauxhall/Opel is trying to catch up in a race they've already lost. It's too late for legacy car manufacturers to offer an electric version of their old cars. They missed the boat on EVs. Now all they have to do is wait for the government bailouts when their industry tanks.
Model 3 build quality is trash.
If you're living in UK or Europe, it's worth considering that we're facing a profound collapse in our manufacturing industry, including cars. It's incredibly important that we retain capability to make things, not just in case countries like china become more hostile in the future but also because that industry has huge ripple benefits on communities, countries, and regions. Looking at Google it appears the model 3s sold in Europe are made in China. This astra is made in UK.
That counts for a lot.
Same. Crazy price
@@Melbourne-s4xthat might have been true a few years ago. Those issues have been sorted out for a while now. Tesla’s Model 3 and Y sold in Europe now come either from the German Berlin factory or from the Shanghai factory in China.
Stellantis cannot be serious at this price point. MG4 at what...£28K? with more interior space, just as much range on a bespoke EV platform. For the same price you can get a Kia Niro EV with more space and more range...and for a few thousand more you are into a Tesla M3. C'mon Jack, your enthusiasm for all EVs is commendable but lets see a bit more serious criticism of the one big thing holding back EV adoption...price.
Yes they certainly aren't getting a good small EV at a reasonable price here
In Spain you can get Tesla M3 LR RWD with 45000 euros (620 km WLTP) and Tesla M3 standard range with 39990 euros, and they are selling this Astra with 42000 euros. No sh*t!
250miles from 51kwh 🪫… calling BS 💩 on this.
MG is owned by the Chinese state. Are you happy paying straight into a dictatorship?
And yet I bet we will see more astra EVs than mg4s
£40k. The basic petrol Astra on sale in the UK right now is £26, 810. If they can't get somewhere near that, this model is doomed. And I'm and EV owner & enthusiast.
It’s the same in nearly every category, can’t get anything like an aygo or a vw up for the price those cars actually go for
But as he said, there is no 'cheap' EV version, and this is the same with most EV's, they are stacked out with tech that you don't get in the base model petrol/diesel, all the EV's are high spec. Fully Charged have been pointing that out in reviews for a couple of years as a major gripe with EV manufacturers, no cheap spec available anywhere. Take that base model Astra petrol and add all the extras you get on the base EV and it'll be a lot more than £26,810, and then there is the lower cost of ownership of the EV to claw back more of the difference too.
@@JohnScarrott There's really no words that will convince the average car buyer to pay £40k for a medium hatchback though. I realise it's a fundamental problem with EV adoption, but explaining why won't get them to buy one.
They are more or less charging the price the battery (50Kwh at £260 per kwh) on top of the petrol car. Very poor engineering sugar coated by poor journalism 🤮🤮
ye, stop putting crap that you don't really use...
Forty grand for an Astra?!? ...the world has gone mad!
Mate, it was already mad.
Yeah that's a no, Tesla is 42k so yeah that's not good enough
I'd love an electric car, but our pre-registered new Qashqai only cost 17,000 Euro four years ago. I can't afford 47,000 Euro for a car...
@@moonprobe8751 I would recommend selling your ICE car while it still has some value and use that cash as a deposit to reduce the monthly repayments of a finance towards purchasing a second hand EV. That’s what I did and because of the low running costs of an EV, my second hand EV costs me only £60-£70 more per month than my previous ICE car (finance repayment included).
@@Nikoo033 thanks, worth thinking about...
How did he manage to keep a straight face when saying the price. I would have buckled onto the floor in laughter! £40k starting price - for an Astra - WHAT??? 🤣
He said affordable twice before as well.
Ridiculous ain't it, who in their rightful mind would spend so much money on an Astra?
Let’s face it the list price doesn’t matter a damn. It’s lease and PCP rates that matter and they will reflect the real transaction price of the car
@@rickerbyct i wouldnt hold your breath....
cant see them knocking £15k off the price of a new car..
@@davidstuart4915 the difference in lease cost between a petrol and electric Corsa is around a tenner a month
It looks lovely, but there's no way I'd pay 40k for it.
You can get a model 3 for that money.
Lol spot on
I thought he was going to say around 30k. 40k is ridiculous considering competition, especially with what’s available from China even now, let alone what’s arriving soon.
If it was the cheapest of all your real/equal choices, statistically speaking you (the public) would buy it.
Perfectly not price competitive.
Guess what theNissan Leaf is still doing all of this and a bigger platform. 360 camera, heated everything 60khw 200hp, well under £40k, uk built. Seems to have been forgotten about as the other companies catch up the last 10 years 🤔
I was about to say that. Every reviewer pretends like it doesn't exist! Way more for the money!
@@deina4ever. totally, we’ve run a mrk2 leaf for 4 years it’s been great 👍
I find it mildly amusing that despite the aggressive/sporty looks and the price tag indicating the Astra is a reasonably powerful car, it'd get smoked by the higher-output (yet considerably cheaper) Leaf
Or the Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh/38kWh. I do 5.5 miles/kWh at the moment on mixed road/motorway journeys 😍
My Leaf's PCP is up in about a year and honestly I'd probably pay the final amount to keep the car, but for one major issue: Chademo. It's hard enough finding working rapid chargers as it is, sometimes, and being unable to use CCS just makes it worse. As it is, I'm likely going to switch to an MG4.
I'd say the C segment definitely has its current champion. It's the MG4. It's spacious, it's fun to drive, it has good range and it's extremely affordable.
Yes, I have one. But I'm not biased, honest!
From what I've seen nothing in this segment nothing comes close to an MG4 on price or style.
Soooon. I am waiting for them to arrive in dealers here for a test drive.
Depends on the market. MG is in fewer markets than Opel is.
The lane assist system on MGs is apparently so off and scary that people have to deactivate it. 😅
@@brummiesalteno-81 I'm not sure I agree on style...
As an MG4 owner who has spent time driving a new (petrol) Astra, I have to say the Astra is nicer inside with good use of materials and a bigger boot, but I struggle to see the electric getting 5m/KWh, so I really doubt the range, which is less than the MG, even if it does achieve 5m/KWh. I don't think the Astra drives any better than the MG, and I do resent the insistence of Stellantis on making us all wait for an electric version of an ICE car and then charge 10k more than the MG, which by the way, why no mention of the MG in this video?
Completely agree with you on this he seems to have forgotten all about the much better spec MG4, this is like watching a Vauxhall advert nothing negative talked about. I wonder how much he’s been paid.
It's a walk around, you don't a test-drive if you rip the piss.
Best looking Astra in years! I suspect they will make too few of the BEV version, and it is too expensive.
It must be the bonnet from the Vauxhall Viva that makes it look so good 😀
Great review, very nice car But totally insane price for a Vauxhall Astra.
Not too long ago, people might have said £25k plus was an insane price for a Mini, yet here we are, with Minis selling well
Always a great review 😊
I think these cars are aimed at people in my age group (mid 60s). It looks like a normal car, and having actual buttons to control things definitely appeals to an old chap like me. So get ready to see lots of these on the roads, being driven very slowly, and probably very badly, by old gimmers everywhere.
there are EV Megane everywhere in France, I see multiple ones a day
Jack does great reviews for the algorithm
Hey Jack. Love your work 👍
Not cramped in the back? But still it seems you're about to shag the drivers seat😂
lol. Made me laugh...
Love you guys
How many people in the UK can afford to pay over 40k for an electric car? The price needs to come down to below 25k in order to become an affordable option
Few people "buy" new cars anymore. Many new cars are acquired via personal leases or PCP agreements. You have no worries regarding depreciation that way.....
£40k! Was looking forward to the estate, not any more, I'll keep my MG5
im liking Jacks "dad mode" outfits lately
Come on Jack you were crammed in the back seat with no leg room at all, don't lie!
I've been driving the PHEV version for about a month now and I'm liking it. In terms of EV performance it seems quite efficient too.
Can't wait to trade it in for the EV although I do wish they'd offer a version with more range. I'd like to be able to drive for about four hours on the highway before having to recharge.
For 99,9% of my drives however, this would already do nicely.
Loved the ramming of the knee between the door and front seat 😂
Thank you
Thanks
I have a Vauxhall Corsa-e (22 plate); it amuses me when people say they can't get anywhere near their WLTP. Last year we averaged 4.1m/kWh (WLTP 4.4m/kWh). For two of the warmer months, we averaged 4.5m/kWh. The worst we got was 3.8 m/kWh in December, driving through the Scottish Highlands in a snowstorm. At the end of the day, it comes down to how you drive. If you want good efficiency, drive efficiently; if you want to drive around like you're a touring car driver, don't expect to get near the WLTP.
Most electric cars seem expensive now; hopefully, the ID2 and Renault 5 will help bring the trend down by following the MG4. When considering the Corsa E now starts just shy of £34k (which is mad), £6k more for the Astra isn't that bad. Thankfully we got our top-of-the-range Corsa-e one for £26k last year; it currently sells new for £36k.
Yeah, I’m getting 4.5 miles/kWh from my Cupra Born (58 kWh version), which pretty much matches the WLTP range, and that’s on Comfort not Range mode.
The thing is, WLTP range is not really a useful number, because it involves a lot of urban driving. If that’s all you do, you can probably just charge at home anyway, so range there is largely irrelevant. If you charge overnight, the difference between driving efficiently and having a lead foot is pretty minimal.
Motorway driving is where efficiency and range become really important - how far you can go at 60 - 70 mph, not just to get to the next charger, but how much charge you’ll arrive at your destination with. This can be a big problem if you’re going somewhere remote that doesn’t have Level 2, and you need enough to get to a rapid charger on the way back.#
@@caerphoto WLTP is only there to compare different vehicles against each other regarding efficiency. It gives you a baseline to compare against.
While in cost, the difference in efficiency in urban driving might be minimal when charging at home (3.6m/kWh compared to 4.2m/kWh over 5k miles is around £20 Regarding the environmental cost, it reduces energy use by roughly 14%. Mind if you can't charge at home like me, the saving cost increases to about £40 based on 5k miles; when calculated on 12k miles, it's £100.
Regarding motorway driving, this was 40% of our driving last year, and depending on the weather, we were looking between 3.9m/kWh and 4.3m/kWh, averaging 4.2m/kWh.
I'm in Ireland. Here are some reasons why this Astra might sell here. #1. We have one Tesla dealer (Dublin). There are Opel dealers all over the country. #2. There's an Astra estate coming. Sometimes, you just need a boxier shape that's not an SUV. #3 It's 30cm shorter than a Model 3. The model 3 isn't huge but if your drive isn't long enough or your local or work car park was designed in the 1960s, a shorter car can be a plus (our Soul can park anywhere!). Model 3 is quite wide too. #4. Elon Musk is an... Well, let's not go there. #5. Range. This is a relatively small island. Most people don't need thousands of km range. Drive 300 km in any direction and you're in the sea. #6. Price. The mid-range Astra here is around €33,000. Another few grand for a car that will depreciate more slowly and is cheaper to run can be a plus. If you want an Astra and you're open to electric and there's an Opel dealer across the road - well, why not?
It will be interesting to see how it does. It could be good or bad having the historical tie in with the Astra name. On the one hand, people may feel positive toward a tried and tested brand and model. On the other hand it's a Astra and it costs 40k.
Id take the MG4 and save £10k. At £40k the Astra has a lot of very strong alternatives despite its claimed efficiency
Why do I have a feeling like the latest episodes of Fully Charged Show turned into commercials?!
It may be very good but brand perception is huge in the UK. £40K is £8k-10K more than expectation as traditionally vauxhalls also depreciate heavily. Will be a rare sight though which might appeal to some.
I’ve got an MG4 Trophy which certainly isn’t perfect, but that Astra ain’t going to be £7000 better.
I drive the Peugeot e208. And I think Stellantis hit the jackpot with that. Here in the polder there are 9 driving around. And then a number of ice versions. By offering different power sources, the costs are kept "low". You see the 208 & Corsa throughout the country. Which does indicate that people would like something different than that SUV junk. For daily use, the range is more than sufficient. And if you want to go a little further into the country, there are clubs such as Fastned.
Congrats to Opel/Vauxhall/Stellantis or whatever is the name now - this is a good receipt for success. I hope the drive tests go well - Astra was always reliable and good choice, all the people that I know that had one were very satisfied.
As someone who was part of the 'GM family', let me assure you Astra was never that reliable, and when there where failures GM always blamed the owners, wishbone failures, gearbox failures, heating control failures, all where design or build problems, but for years GM blamed owners.
£40,000 for an Astra, come on guys do the car manufacturers think the general public are millionaires.
0:51, and the MG4 which beats all aforementioned cars.
I loved my old Opel Manta, gorgeous design
Me too. Orange!
Let's make it a drinking game - every time he says 'bespoke', we take a shot. Cheers. Mate. 🍺🍺
I would choose this car on the basis that it has actual, physical, tactile BUTTONS alone!
I always found the Astra did what I wanted it for, especially the Estate and early models. Europe certainly needs this sort of smaller car. Perhaps we should get used to the fact that it costs much the same to make a 'big' as a 'small' car. In the meantime Stallantis had better keep a close eye on the MG4 and 5. If I was MG I'd be looking to undercut them.
MG are already undercutting them. And have an estate you can already buy. They've nearly got that market to themselves at the moment. But I'll certianly take a serious look at the Astra estate when it appears. It's a lot cheaper than a buzz...and _might_ be big enough.
I’m pretty much a Vauxhall fanatic!! Although I have a Renault Zoe at the moment, I’m charging up to a Vauxhall Combo Life Electric camper.
The future Gen has got it sooooo goooood!
It needs to be a sensible price or it's just willy waving for rich kids.
O... M.... G....!!
Put it this way, I'm glad this wasn't a video-call when you announced the price of this Astra Electric... my face would've been a sight to behold... 🤣
£40k is INSANE...!! 😵
It can be truly said that everyone who made this knows Jack
Australia and New Zealand the car was known as Holden Astra. I sold my Holden Opel Astra in 2018
Nice boot but does the rear seats fold flat? 🤔
Really looking forward to range tests with these new Vauxhall EVs. Never mind the introduction prices, in a year these will be very competitive. I hope they give the Korean and PRC EVs a run for their miles per kWh.
Year ago we almost bought Opel Corsa. 50kW battery for a price sounded amaizing. But based on reviews we found out, that Corsa and simmilar Peugeot 208 perfoms very poorly in cold, rainy weather. So in summer you have a 50kW car, in winter its more like you have 30kW car and its more comparable to old Nissan Leaf. Range in winter is halved for Corsa, unlike other brands, where in the winter range is 15-20% lower.
Depreciation will be interesting on this - 2 year old electric Corsa’s currently retailing for less than £15k.
Yes I’ve seen some for £12k which means a great used buy though I prefer the 208 :)
I think car companies are perfecting the restaurant line of thinking and they tweek and add spices and arrange everything so it all looks good on the plate when they set it down in front of you. It all has to look good at first sitting or it's just sustenance. The big issue does it taste good and will it fill you up and satisfy your craving enough to tell two people of your experience. Like a restaurant if the meal is spot on people enjoy and pay extra for relatively the same thing and tell two friends.
Are the physical buttons illuminated?
Jack can make any car look interesting “interesting” can we find out how much range will we get from a 1yr old EV? As medium segment EVs are still expensive
Nice car. I'll pick one up second hand in two years for 18k
Looks good.
Thank you for acknowledging the transition. That OEMs need to make in order to get to an all electric future. The companies have to stay in business, and electric vehicles and the infrastructure isn’t there yet.
Of course, if electric infrastructure was completely sold, and the cost versus range issue was also soft, then I could see being more critical. But the fact of the matter is, these companies have a lot of issues to juggle. And unless the government was going to subsidize vehicle production, to greater extent they already are, we all know that they will be transitional platforms and vehicles.
I currently own a VW e-golf. I love it so much I'm actually going to buy it out of its pcp. I will NEVER own an ID3 or any other ID car because I want a GOLF.. Not the Bland looking ID3 that VW have forced on us Golf lovers.. If VW don't bring out another e-golf. I'm not going to be a VW owner for much longer once I'm done with the Mk7.5 e-golf. But although I'm not keen on this astra style it is good to have another family hatchback on the market instead of all these beastly suvs
I have a 'classic' Ioniq 38kWh which easily achieves 5.1 miles per kWh. It may be class leading now but its that classic Ioniq still thrashes it at efficiency today.
Interesting that the Kia Niro EV wasn't mentioned when doing comparisons early in the video and I assumed that was because of the price point. When the price was revealed at the end I was left wondering why the Niro at the same price point with a bigger battery, more range, more space wasn't considered an alternative!
Is there a frunk?
And this is the reason why legacy manufacturers are getting out of this segment. £40k is the price Astra feel like they can make a profit and that is unfortunately too much compared to what the Chinese can make a car. Know also that the Leaf is going to be discontinued without a replacement. Nissan have figured out that they cannot compete in this segment with the MG4.
I'll be amazed if the range and efficiency is anywhere near what they claim. That being said I quite like it. We currently have the Corsa-E and it's a good car. £40k does seem pretty expensive, but it's a Vauxhall, 3 years down the road and you'll pick up and ex lease or ex PCP one for £20k.
"I'll be amazed if the range and efficiency is anywhere near what they claim"
- According to the results of the German test drives, it exceeds... all stated figures... the range and efficiency are clearly better than claimed.
It is a sensation.
My 40kWh Leaf gets 4 miles/kWh most days outside of winter and it has been known to get >5 miles/kWh on really good days. Vauxhall's claim is not that outlandish.
how about Smart #1, you did an overview on it a year ago but how about a review? Seems like it's a very strong choice in this segment.
I'll have to look at how much bigger this is to my MK4, though this is the first design I've liked since then
This is great news i loved my 2018 cdti astra estate, stood up well to a side impact from a hgv running a red light into me and left me with just x2 displaced vertebra.
I hope the estate will have a 300 plus mile range as for our work fleet we do upto 160miles each way with no infrastructure at job sites hence why we still run cdti as upto 820miles per tank.
Bigger boots than any suv too, my 2022 kia sportage plug hybrid gives me 329miles of range with a plug in and full tank of fuel bearly getiing 38mpg as average and boot is smaller then the sister inlaws 2009 astra 😢
Why is it a LHD Vauxhall, considering it's only Vauxhall over here in the UK with RHD and then Opel everywhere else!? Or am I missing something??
I sat inside this new Astra at Fully Charged North. It is way smaller inside than my ID3 and the materials are really cheap - swathes of hard black plastic. I was disappointed. Hopefully the e308 will be nicer but undoubtedly will still be cramped. Having said that, if the estate has a really good load space and is genuinely efficient it will be a good option.
I like the profile of the estate. Makes previous models look so boxy.
This is a perfect ev car that fills the worlds needs. Now it just needs ... a REALISTIC price!
To everyone complaining about the price - the car market has changed. Supply has been chaos the last two years and RnD costs need to be recovered asap from Vauxhall. This is the reality of why it costs so much. Other OEM’s are in the same boat.
This will satisfy a HUGE hole in the company car market and that’s why it’s also been built and priced like that. You’ll get yours in three years time second hand once all the first load of company cars come back off lease.
You said Stellantis vehicles were hamstrung by a poor platform, but the Vivaro/Expert/Dispatch was the best range e-van you could get for about 18 months, until the Buzz came out. Not bad for a shared-with-diesel platform. So yeah the cars were so-so but the vans were leading the pack.
Know it's gonna be an interesting video when every comment is talking about the price tag.
Still love my e208
Well, plenty has been said below. Regarding pricing, unmentioned rivals etc.
This is not a car I would be interested in buying. Thanks for helping me make that decision.
It is interesting that fossil based Ev's tend to be lighter and more efficient. But reviewers make a negative comment about them being fossil based. For some strange reason pure eV based cars seem to be around 5 ton in weight and that kills efficiency. No need.
It’s just that eSUVs are quite common. In reality Ev based architecture makes a car more efficient, more spacious and cheaper
The new Polestar 2 is also supposed to be incredibly efficient (14W/kWh). The Astra/308 is around 12.5 however!
I like this approach of smaller battery but huge efficiency too. Let's hope it's true because it's the right approach. Back to the philosophy of the original Ioniq.
What would be genuinely interesting is how many of these platforms are being made? Total numbers, between Jeep, Peugeot, Citroën, Vauxhall etc... Then offer these numbers vs Tesla. As economy's of scale (Wright's Law) need to cut in somewhere. Then look into price differences between Peugeot, Citroën, Vauxhall & Jeep....
Yes!! It’s a proper electric car. I’m absolutely certain that the Jeeps and Vauxhall cars are so much better than they were when General Motors had them that I’d expect a decent range from a reasonably sized battery!!
Ahh, the flat load lip, the testers’ favourite… so everything can fall out of the boot when you park on a hill…
Interesting that you said that because I like being able to slide things in the back. It makes loading big items really easy. Never had a problem with things falling out, but I guess it could be a problem.
At least he wasn't scratching the plastic on the dashboard as if people spend all day judging the tactile worth of things they pretty much never touch.
Looks as good as the Combo!! I rather like the interior of the Vauxhall cars!! And for me, having Wookey Hole for a boot is necessary because I would like to be able to carry my model railway layout in the car with me!!
*waves back at the camera man(?)* 😁
Undercut on pricing against the competition is a well proven sales strategy strategy.
Has it got a square steering wheel ?
Is there a flat floor in the back or a transmission tunnel lump?
You seemed to cut the shot off at his knee height.
Volvo EX30 has been released at £33.7k and is extremely well equipped as standard. You would have to be mental to pick the astra over that.
I'd rather get a used Ioniq 38kWh (which i have an easily get 5.5mi/kWh and is spacious enough and very well equipped and has the same sort of range as the Astra) or an MG5 first gen. Both would be about half the price or pay a bit more and get a brand new MG4 for around 25-27K - Plus all these options have better warranties
I like the look of the car but I would go for the new Corsa
Price - one and a half MG5 estates! Space in the back - none. I've had several petrol Vauxhalls, over the years, and they've all been rot-boxes. The last one I had, a Chevette hatch, snapped two timing chains in a couple of years, totally wrecking the 1256cc engine the second time.
Perfect for touring Europe with the family 🤣
I think Stellantis were unfortunate that the pandemic hit shortly after they brought out the 45kWh cars. Speaking for myself I was about to go for the e208 relatively soon after it launched, but then we all went into hibernation and it would have been foolish to upgrade then. By the time we came out the other side, a plethora of vehicles came onto the market with next-step ranges, making the first-gen Stellantis EVs a harder sell.
What are the chances of seeing something Opel or Vauxhall in Canada? Did they sign something saying they won’t enter the us market when they bought them from GM?
I quite like this car, just not for that price, but for $25‘000-$35‘000 CAD this would be great.
If I remember correctly, PSA purchased Opel from GM before the merger with FCA. That merger probably put an end to the ambitions to bring PSA brands back to North America. There could be a future Chrysler or Dodge on the same platform, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. I think the best bet is a sportier version as an Alfa Romeo. For the price, take into account that UK prices include VAT which is like 20%.
Looks good but at £40k I think I would wait 3 years and by an ex fleet car at auction for half of that, assuming fleets buy them because at £40k I don't think anyone else will.
What the heck is that last frame of the video??
I just learn how to use Powerpoint. 😂 Great comment.
That front from above looks like a Dodge Charger/Challenger muscle car as you mentioned definitely.
Yes!! You bet there’s a great little car!! It’s one of the best electric cars available to us.
Tbh the opel logo looks great in an ev 😅
no mention of MG4?