It's sunset in 1991 and you're on AOL (Vaporwave Mix)

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  • Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024

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  • @carlmurphy2416
    @carlmurphy2416 3 года назад +941

    The vision of the future presented by the 80s aesthetic never materialised, and that is why we look back with sadness, but also comfort because the promise of the future from a bygone era is now an escape from the future that actually materialised.

    • @h3llr4iser1
      @h3llr4iser1 3 года назад +108

      One of the main issues is that the "future" that came, our "present time"...turned out to be an insipid squib, compared to what it could've been. Everything is just exactly the same - technology, all slabs of black plastic, indistinguishable in function. Cars, music, movies...even books to a certain point, small variations on the same theme - "it sells, don't change it". The '80s and to a lesser level the '90s have been the last era of actual change, individuality and choice, with their own style. After that, it's been one single blur of sameness.

    • @SeekJesusFindLife
      @SeekJesusFindLife 3 года назад +17

      @@h3llr4iser1 also true.

    • @GOODLUCKMUSIC8
      @GOODLUCKMUSIC8 3 года назад

      Here's a meditative experience made for you. : ruclips.net/video/XOXgmuKevf4/видео.html&lc=Ugw--VkzcS29anz7LO14AaABAg : ) ENJOY!

    • @holo406
      @holo406 3 года назад +15

      @DOSboi Aidan Exactly, many of us feel the same way, more than you can imagine

    • @holo406
      @holo406 3 года назад +6

      @@h3llr4iser1 exactly, nicely expressed

  • @ChrisTomlinsonlive
    @ChrisTomlinsonlive 3 года назад +2657

    1998... I was 14 years old, my dad was still alive, we were living in our first home, had our first dog, and my lil brother was still part of my life. I remember school, playing outside til dark with my neighborhood friends and exploring the woods and running along side the creek that ran through it. Life was simpler then... I'd come home to play nintendo, listen to the radio, and watch TGIF on tv. I wish I could go back to those days...drinking koolaid and chillin in my room with a full family... I miss my whole family...

    • @kostis2849
      @kostis2849 3 года назад +85

      I would like this, but it does not seem appropriate. May the synth be with you.

    • @a.c.bonneville189
      @a.c.bonneville189 3 года назад +70

      call your brother

    • @ChrisTomlinsonlive
      @ChrisTomlinsonlive 3 года назад +59

      @@a.c.bonneville189 can't, he's blocked me on literally everything

    • @Chiibee
      @Chiibee 3 года назад +106

      @@ChrisTomlinsonlive I don't know what to say but I hear you and thank you for sharing. You've always got your memories together of simpler times

    • @ThePhilosorpheus
      @ThePhilosorpheus 3 года назад +54

      I was 10... Living near the beach. Sunsets were always beautiful...

  • @XTen1000DaysX
    @XTen1000DaysX 3 года назад +67

    Definitely miss the world 90s and early 2000's
    it seemed way more care free, such a joy.

    • @StinkyGreenBud
      @StinkyGreenBud 3 года назад +6

      Don't know about the early 2000's. Post 9/11 world has truly been shit. Though I take it you were a child in the 90's and a teen in the 2000's?

    • @XTen1000DaysX
      @XTen1000DaysX 3 года назад +3

      @@StinkyGreenBud yup, born 1993. World was more carefreee then, its funny cuz you knew what everyone was into then.

    • @martinkraegel7965
      @martinkraegel7965 Год назад +3

      So glad I grew up during that time period.

    • @MoltenMetalGod7
      @MoltenMetalGod7 5 месяцев назад +2

      People say everyone says that about when they were growing up but I truly believe the 90s early 2000s truly were the last of whatever that was. Maybe the simplicity? I think a lot of it was due to massive shift and over reliance on technology + rapid social decay. Regardless SO glad to have grown up during that time

    • @naturesquad9174
      @naturesquad9174 3 месяца назад

      @@MoltenMetalGod7 yea, living in the First World was definitely peak, perfectly balanced (illusion of) consumer existence. Each year absolutely moved by slower. But we were absolutely riding on borrowed time. Even if 9/11 didnt happen, that First world Opulence exists in a tiny bubble, surrounded by the "real" world (aka the third world) that feeds it and subsidizes it.

  • @Enigmatism415
    @Enigmatism415 3 года назад +1186

    Having lived in 1998, this is a lot more like 1988.
    EDIT: OP has since changed the year from '98 to '91, big improvement in credibility.

    • @HouseJawn
      @HouseJawn 3 года назад +50

      Ya hip hop was at its peak and so was ska-rock, nu metal. This is def early/mid 80s

    • @arcticwolf9332
      @arcticwolf9332 3 года назад +60

      agreed, that mac is actually from the late 80s, and so is the vibe

    • @HouseJawn
      @HouseJawn 3 года назад +12

      @@arcticwolf9332 this music reminds me off Flight of the Navigator 👽🛸

    • @keanuovareeves
      @keanuovareeves 3 года назад +19

      YES glad someone said it 😂

    • @dugroz
      @dugroz 3 года назад +19

      Those 3 1/2 inch floppy discs were JUST about completely out of use by '98. My mom had a Mac Classic (similar to the one pictured) around 1989-1990, roughly.

  • @JohnPaulZacharyFitz
    @JohnPaulZacharyFitz 3 года назад +604

    Miss the old AOL days, when life was simple and free from social media drama. Glad I grew up as a kid during those times.

    • @peterb5825
      @peterb5825 3 года назад +49

      I feel like every generation says something like this. I wonder if the current generation will be any different.

    • @suchnothing
      @suchnothing 3 года назад +32

      Did you not have AOL drama? Because everyone i know did lol.

    • @InconstantGlory
      @InconstantGlory 3 года назад +16

      You mean when our every move wasn’t monitored lol

    • @hexkwondo
      @hexkwondo 3 года назад +41

      @@peterb5825 they do. But the times we lived in really did kick ass. But then the internet wasn't so regulated and everything felt new. Now, everything feels kinda dull and lifeless. The one thing I did hate about back was the connection speeds.

    • @hemidas
      @hemidas 3 года назад +10

      @@suchnothing Yeah, but they were nothing compared to Twitter and Facebook nowadays.

  • @gabrielgerman359
    @gabrielgerman359 3 года назад +203

    It's 1991. Terminator 2: Judgment day has just been released in theaters. Micheal Jackson is about to release his album "Dangerous". Brandon Lee's career is starting to look promising. Street Fighter 2: the world warrior begins to be a very popular video game in the arcade. I drink my diet pepsi as I look out the window at another sunset in 1991. The sun is setting on the horizon and the future looks bright.

    • @mosespray4510
      @mosespray4510 3 года назад +3

      That was so sad when Brandon Lee died. Nobody could believe it.

    • @gabrielgerman359
      @gabrielgerman359 3 года назад +4

      @@mosespray4510 until today I found it hard to believe

    • @FallouFitness_NattyEdition
      @FallouFitness_NattyEdition 3 года назад +6

      How I wish I could have gotten to see T2 in theaters when it came out and played SF2 in the arcade. That would have been so awesome. Sure I can play that game and watch that movie whenever now and that's great. But, seeing it when it first came out and experiencing it then just doesn't quite add up.

    • @mosespray4510
      @mosespray4510 3 года назад +7

      @@FallouFitness_NattyEdition I did those things, and they were wonderful, but I'm also going to turn 57 next month. Someday the ordinary things you're doing now will seem amazing and awesome to the next generation.

    • @gabrielgerman359
      @gabrielgerman359 3 года назад +3

      @@FallouFitness_NattyEdition I was 6 years old in 1991. Despite my young age, my father took me to see T2 at the movie theatre. I don't really remember much except how the scene from Sarah Connor's nightmare imprese me.And at the end I remember feeling really sad when the terminator says goodbye and goes down to the lava. Regarding Street Fighter I used going to the arcade with my older brother and watching him play. I would have liked to be a little older to enjoy everything better at that time but at least I have vague good memories.

  • @dominicavalos6230
    @dominicavalos6230 3 года назад +72

    This is literally lowering my blood pressure

    • @verticalhelicalscan8629
      @verticalhelicalscan8629 3 года назад

      hope this will too
      ruclips.net/video/er0l9BP59Ew/видео.html
      ruclips.net/video/DeR8lO_Ldts/видео.html

  • @GinaBoudreau
    @GinaBoudreau 3 года назад +228

    1998. My GOD. I was 22 years old. AOL chat rooms were fire back then. My friends and I would go into the 20's single chat rooms LOL. Going out at night. bars playing all the songs considered "oldies" today. Life was exciting. I am so proud to say I grew up in the '80s and '90s. XOXOXO

    • @rvfiasco
      @rvfiasco 3 года назад +1

      XOXOXO

    • @spark4039
      @spark4039 3 года назад +5

      I was 11 in 1998! Got my first discman that year 🙌 Panasonic Shockwave

    • @danryb
      @danryb 3 года назад +3

      I believe it. I was 13 in 1998. I loved the time I grew up in but would've been cool to be a late teen/early 20s in that time!

    • @riley_oneill
      @riley_oneill 3 года назад +3

      I also went into those chats... but I was only 14.

    • @elevenpoisons2484
      @elevenpoisons2484 3 года назад +4

      i was born in 1998 so i am 22. you must feel old huh

  • @lucenceparency7870
    @lucenceparency7870 3 года назад +42

    The days before I was an addict. I had so many friends back then, and so much energy. I'm only 31 now, but I feel like I'm in my 70s. I wonder if those happy days will ever come back.

    • @Йоханнастаниор
      @Йоханнастаниор 3 года назад +7

      I am an addict now too. And I am lost. Nothing can save me no more. I lost everything possible. But sometimes I need music like this to remember the better days.

    • @lucenceparency7870
      @lucenceparency7870 3 года назад +7

      ​@@Йоханнастаниор You understand. I hope things look up for us. But if not, at least we have this window to the past.

    • @VintageFlowers
      @VintageFlowers 3 года назад +14

      Don't lose hope guys, other people made it out of their addiction before. Not saying it's easy but it's definitely possible.

    • @lucenceparency7870
      @lucenceparency7870 3 года назад +7

      @@VintageFlowers Thank you for the encouragement, kind stranger. It makes me feel hopeful.

    • @chucksucks8640
      @chucksucks8640 2 года назад +5

      Those days can come back for you.

  • @OceanMetTheSky
    @OceanMetTheSky 3 года назад +178

    This shit makes me really happy but also really sad for some reason. Nostalgia kills me sometimes thinking how those times are gone forever. You see things like that in those coming of age movies where people realize things are leaving and wont be the same and it tugs at you. But as corny as it is, when you hear certain songs that bring you back to your own good times like this that you can never relive, it hits hard.

    • @geartweaker8518
      @geartweaker8518 3 года назад +17

      Get after it buddy, keep making new memories, keep stepping it up so that years from now you will be nostalgic for today. What's that thing you think would be awesome to do but just never quite start making the plans? Go get it, life is happening all the time

    • @OceanMetTheSky
      @OceanMetTheSky 3 года назад +10

      @@geartweaker8518 You are absolutely right. Still a lot of opportunities out there to make great memories with! There are just some times that will remain in a certain view because the people in them are no longer in this life and the youth isn't there anymore. We're all different now. Now it's time for new and different memories. Thank you for the encouraging words. Those other memories in the past will always just hold a certain place and feeling to me.

    • @geartweaker8518
      @geartweaker8518 3 года назад +4

      @@OceanMetTheSky Youre welcome man, I'm just pumped cos I get to go out with my buddies today for the first time since lockdown, so I'm just passing the good vibes on!
      I'm a sucker for nostalgia as well by the way. But I try to use it as fuel sometimes, to keep on doing cool new stuff and writing new chapters in my life story.
      Maybe I'll see you commenting on a 2020 nostalgia vid years from now 😁 peace out

    • @OceanMetTheSky
      @OceanMetTheSky 3 года назад +6

      @@geartweaker8518 Thats awesome. I hope you got to enjoy your hangout with your friends and had some good times. Thats a long time to not see them. Yeah, you have to use it as fuel sometimes or else you just get stuck living in the past. But geez, those times were really so much better lol. Maybe ill catch you on a future video some day too! Peace ✌

    • @Suenami89
      @Suenami89 3 года назад +6

      We never really get over that stage when we learn nothing lasts forever

  • @pamalaschiene7211
    @pamalaschiene7211 3 года назад +32

    I'm so glad I found this. Being born in the 80's and growing up in the 90's was the best. This music takes me back and I love it. 😍

  • @wongles
    @wongles 3 года назад +778

    This is more 1993 but I won’t give you a hard time, lol.
    Edit: they changed it, it said 1998, now they have edited it to say 1991. WE WON PEOPLE

    • @pdrocrz
      @pdrocrz 3 года назад +20

      Couldnt agree more

    • @peterb5825
      @peterb5825 3 года назад +52

      Yeah that Diet Pepsi can logo was gone by the late 90s and the mac is from the 80s. 1998 introduced the colorful g3 line of macs. Good mix though.

    • @Enigmatism415
      @Enigmatism415 3 года назад +85

      Not even. It's more like 1988.

    • @pdrocrz
      @pdrocrz 3 года назад +80

      @@Enigmatism415 its funny though how kids nowadays absorve that era...their notion of 90's aestethic is like late 80's

    • @Enigmatism415
      @Enigmatism415 3 года назад +82

      @@pdrocrz Yeah they don't get that there was a pretty big difference between early '90s and late '90s, in no small part because of the sudden explosion of the web. 1998 was already in Y2K-aesthetic territory.

  • @saiko_1
    @saiko_1 3 года назад +93

    I wish I could go back to 1997-2001, best time of my life.

    • @betty123123
      @betty123123 3 года назад +7

      My childhood was pretty bad. I still can't help but feel nostalgia for some of the good moments. I wish I could try the whole thing again.

    • @unkono
      @unkono 3 года назад +1

      Right around 2004 was the best time for me.

    • @fukngroovnkc3700
      @fukngroovnkc3700 3 года назад +2

      Good times...during the first moments of the year 2000 were you surprised nothing happened?

    • @stevenjsummerville9743
      @stevenjsummerville9743 3 года назад +1

      same

    • @vincentvarkor
      @vincentvarkor 3 года назад +4

      2003-2007

  • @96NightRider96
    @96NightRider96 3 года назад +31

    gosh thank goodness that nightmare I had about the year 2020 was only a dream. Now...I need to just check my email..

  • @Ebizzill
    @Ebizzill 3 года назад +17

    1998, i was 8 and my sister was just born... it was one of the greatest times of my life, loads of friends, bully turned to trusted confidante amongst my friends, beverly hills 90210 was still a thing even though we were living in italy, we were just getting ready to move ... awesome times.

  • @ordinaryhand
    @ordinaryhand 3 года назад +96

    as someone who was 23 in 1998 i enjoy how 80s most vaporwave stuff actually is... 1998 was prime blueberry iMac days

    • @Hondeer
      @Hondeer 3 года назад +4

      'The files are *IN* the Computer!!!'

    • @onkadoodle510
      @onkadoodle510 3 года назад +5

      Funny... I was born in 1998 and I just turned 23 last week.

    • @ordinaryhand
      @ordinaryhand 3 года назад +8

      @@onkadoodle510 luke. i am your father

    • @dubmusik304
      @dubmusik304 3 года назад +2

      And Gateway 2000 for the PC people haha

    • @sm5728
      @sm5728 3 года назад

      Who else owned purple f=inflatable furniture, a diskman, and thought rollerblades were IT? lol. I'm outtie!

  • @Kawsaki
    @Kawsaki 2 года назад +23

    I think what’s happening here is, it’s 1995-96, and someone who never left the 80s is surfing the future internet on their old Macintosh from ‘84.

    • @Amy_Mi6
      @Amy_Mi6 2 года назад +3

      My thoughts exactly! And maybe 'Mad About You' is on somewhere in the background 🥰

    • @Kawsaki
      @Kawsaki 2 года назад +1

      @@Amy_Mi6 Ha yes 😁

  • @nezimar
    @nezimar 3 года назад +23

    In 1998... I thought Dark City was the best new movie, Cowboy Bebop was brand new, my mp3 jams were from Aphex Twin, my shirts came from Hot Topic, my friends pretended they were hackers, we all played Half-Life and StarCraft, and America felt pretty great.

  • @Raquel-hi8wv
    @Raquel-hi8wv 3 года назад +56

    Vaporwave is the only type of music that relaxes me enough to stay focus and doesn't make me sleepy, I love it. btw, in 98 I was a tiny 1 year old human.

    • @bereruter0
      @bereruter0 3 года назад +1

      same, puts me in a right good place mentally. i woulda been 2 in 98 :P

    • @nootnoot9842
      @nootnoot9842 3 года назад +4

      Same here, we're elder zoomers like how early 80s kids are elder millennials

    • @vincentvarkor
      @vincentvarkor 3 года назад +2

      I was born in 1998

    • @rustygribbler1380
      @rustygribbler1380 2 года назад

      I was 4 years old

    • @peachy_lili
      @peachy_lili 2 года назад

      @@nootnoot9842 elder millennial, class of 2000. 😎

  • @LogicMechanic
    @LogicMechanic 3 года назад +74

    Guys...it's obviously a typo. He meant *1508*. Michelangelo drinking Diet Pepsi and painting the Sixteenth Chapel, right after painting the other fifteen.

    • @iconoclast137
      @iconoclast137 3 месяца назад

      ​@jonathangutierrez4954I'm just gonna let it slide

  • @clarencek3925
    @clarencek3925 3 года назад +82

    I was 5 years old in 1998...i remember playing my Gameboy and watching Toy Story in elementary school. I wanna go back 😫

    • @YungSteambuns
      @YungSteambuns 3 года назад +5

      same, had my gameboy color and mario deluxe, pokemon the movie had came out and got my free mewtwo promo card...

    • @bobobob1230
      @bobobob1230 3 года назад +1

      yes the pokemon movie ;'D made my parents sit through that lmao

    • @Monkofmagnesia
      @Monkofmagnesia 3 года назад +1

      I was 29!!!!

  • @lucenceparency7870
    @lucenceparency7870 3 года назад +224

    Enough with the historical accuracy complaints, people. This isn't the History Channel. It's a daydream. You're doing great, OP.

    • @RetroPlayerOne
      @RetroPlayerOne  3 года назад +23

      Thanks fam, I appreciate it! Lol you can find older comments that say it should be 1989 so I changed it to 1991 and now all the newer comments say it should be later 🤷‍♂️ it should say “insert desired year here” lol!

    • @cameronsmusicretreat
      @cameronsmusicretreat 3 года назад +6

      @@RetroPlayerOne only thing that makes it 'later' is AOL and the internet. other than that everything else is late 80s. So the video graphic and audio is an unfortunate mix of two eras lol, no date change will keep everyone happy when the screen shows internet shopping but the audio and vibe of the room screams 80s

    • @grayfiresoul
      @grayfiresoul 3 года назад +11

      The thing is though, if you're attempting to capture an aesthetic or feeling reminiscent of a particular decade, by necessity you need to be accurate about what to present, and how, from that decade, right? It's built into the idea of vaporware itself, even if most vaporware in practice is reconstructivist/revisionist 80s and early 90s synth sounds and melodies.

    • @cryosteam3944
      @cryosteam3944 3 года назад +5

      @@grayfiresoul nobody likes an art gatekeeper

    • @grayfiresoul
      @grayfiresoul 3 года назад +11

      @@cryosteam3944 Being true to the spirit and sounds of the originals through one's own interpretation is gatekeeping? Can't say i've ever heard that one before, bud.

  • @Suenami89
    @Suenami89 Год назад +33

    As someone who’s childhood was the 90s/early 2000s..this is definitely giving me summer evening 1995-97 vibes

  • @JaycRam
    @JaycRam 3 года назад +7

    Man, that picture invokes feelings of much simpler times.

  • @srm5436
    @srm5436 Год назад +3

    Y'all were some early adopters I didn't have AOL until at least the mid 90s

  • @EvieSaintAnn
    @EvieSaintAnn 3 года назад +10

    I was born in 82 and man I miss the 90s. I didn’t know about AOL being around that early tho. Lovely mix.

    • @Amy_Mi6
      @Amy_Mi6 2 года назад +1

      Fellow '82-er here 🙋‍♀️ Best year to be born 🙌😄

  • @porsche205mph
    @porsche205mph 3 года назад +9

    I was 14 y/o driving my golf cart around the country club where we lived. Lots of awesome Nintendo, Dreamcast, PlayStation, and PC. The PeeCee was a 266 mhz HP in my room. I had no supervision on that bad boy. I would just burn CD's, take the golf cart out and ride around with my best friend, Dustin. I was spoiled and got to do endless things most kids only dream of. Those days rocked. But every day is a gift. It's fun to look back, but important to drink in the present and know this is our time to be alive.

  • @Blutteufel
    @Blutteufel Год назад +2

    I've never used AOL, but that image nearly ruptured my nostalgia nerve...

  • @dimator
    @dimator 3 года назад +32

    Didn't expect these emotions from this.

  • @lg2058
    @lg2058 2 года назад +3

    It's 1991, windows95 is still in the making, and Vapor95 is already invading Macintoshes.

  • @chrismaupin
    @chrismaupin 3 года назад +13

    How many people had a stack of those Polaroid VHS jackets on their shelf somewhere? Family memories, school events, episodes of Twin Peaks.

  • @joesantoro4964
    @joesantoro4964 3 года назад +2

    I remember my first time on AOL. It was around 1996. A small group of my friends and I sat huddled around my Compaq Persario and it's tiny 14" monitor. We sat and waited for a nude pic of Pamela Anderson to download. Line by line, we watched as the picture slowly downloaded. Everything was in slow motion. Beads of sweat were starting to form. We were sitting in anticipation of something great. The Holy Grail of all nudes, Pamela Anderson. When the picture finally revealed the first bit of boob, we cheered and high-fived like our team had just won the World Series. When the picture finally downloaded, I printed copies for all my friend's on my Cannon Bubble Jet. We all treated that picture like it was Wayne Gretzky's rookie card. It's one of my fondest memories of my youth.

  • @Sunderland3646
    @Sunderland3646 3 года назад +31

    Why do I feel nostalgic for a time I wasn't even born in?

    • @alterbria
      @alterbria 3 года назад +7

      Because it was THAT uncomplicated and special :)

    • @electricbluetiramisu3713
      @electricbluetiramisu3713 3 года назад +6

      Found the baby of this comment thread lol hope you’re doing alright in these absurd times. Just remember, most people exaggerate their good stories to sound more interesting or exciting so don’t go comparing yourself to other people because it’s like looking in a house of mirrors for a clear reflection

    • @ZalemMoon
      @ZalemMoon 3 года назад +3

      This video is definitely 80s, 1992 at most. Most of the 90s were like the early 2000s.

    • @Napash.Masharath
      @Napash.Masharath 3 года назад +1

      @@electricbluetiramisu3713 nah life before the 2000's was absolutely a fucking vibe!

    • @LydiaKrow
      @LydiaKrow 3 года назад +1

      Because you were told how awesome it was and you want that for yourself. :\ Sending positive thoughts your way.

  • @starlimitz2
    @starlimitz2 Год назад +1

    Oh GOD! That Polaroid VHS alone was enough to send me sprawling!

  • @kayzyart
    @kayzyart 3 года назад +10

    I was 7 years old back in 1998 and remember it as it were yesterday. Some of the songs on this playlist are extremely nice.

  • @bernardafuturagael9213
    @bernardafuturagael9213 Год назад +2

    The 80,s and the 90, s is a golden decades of the music, games, movies, animes and manga

  • @Nines_Rodriguez
    @Nines_Rodriguez 3 года назад +4

    Late 80s/early 90s: Playing the Secret of Monkey Island and other epic video games, a promising Cyberspace rises (unfortunately became the commercial Internet later on), wearing t-shirts with bright neon colours, watching T-2: Judgment Day and many other sci-fi movies, having parties in houses and discos, people without social media, cell phones, digital clouds, etc. Happy times. San Junipero/Miami Vice-like days.
    Sad that younger people of today never lived this epic era.
    Just a melancholic nostalgic message from a 50-year old fart.

  • @dbranconnier1977
    @dbranconnier1977 3 года назад +1

    Cassettes, Nintendo NES, Sega Genesis, CDs, VHS, Commodore 64, Toshiba T1000 laptop, video stores, MTV, Radio Shack, Magnum P.I., Knight Rider, Miami Vice, Air Wolf, Dallas ... I miss the 80s and early 90s

  • @SenorMoose
    @SenorMoose 3 года назад +29

    Ah, the good ol days when you rested your VHS tapes on your Mac, no VCR in sight.

    • @ericdleon
      @ericdleon 3 года назад +2

      How else you gonna keep the computer from falling over? You must be too young to remember.

    • @SenorMoose
      @SenorMoose 3 года назад

      @@ericdleon Oh how I wish that were the case

    • @ericdleon
      @ericdleon 3 года назад

      @@SenorMoose I hear ya.

    • @obsidiansea
      @obsidiansea 3 года назад +2

      With no keyboard either.

    • @ericdleon
      @ericdleon 3 года назад

      @@obsidiansea The fuck you gonna do with one of those? Tweet? Not in 1998 :()

  • @StonerStrains
    @StonerStrains 3 года назад +2

    In 1994 I was 10, and remember the good old days when life was simple, just having fun with friends till dark.

  • @LetsFindOut1
    @LetsFindOut1 3 года назад +40

    that first song 0:00 bart graft - faces, is like my born-in-1989, quixotic idea of what the late-80's/early-90's sounded like.

    • @AlisonBryen
      @AlisonBryen 3 года назад +3

      I was born in in 1984. It certainly evokes my childhood trips to shopping malls/multiplex cinemas etc during the late 1980s. Also reminds me of pizza parties in Pizza Hut and Happy Meals.

    • @GOODLUCKMUSIC8
      @GOODLUCKMUSIC8 3 года назад

      Here's a meditative experience made for you. : ruclips.net/video/XOXgmuKevf4/видео.html&lc=Ugw--VkzcS29anz7LO14AaABAg : ) ENJOY!

    • @BlairMan89
      @BlairMan89 3 года назад +1

      Couldn’t agree more. After going through childhood and hearing music like this in restaurants, shopping malls, early computer games, the weather channel, the public access channel, documentaries, etc.; I think a lot of the tones and notes of music from that time have resonated deep into our psyche. When listened to in our later years, it creates a nostalgic sense of security and happy memories; a yearn for a much simpler time back when the world was a much different (and in my opinion, happier) place.

    • @LetsFindOut1
      @LetsFindOut1 3 года назад

      @@BlairMan89 man you just nailed that explanation of where the fondness comes from. that sounds so accurate that it's the unconscious link between our childhood sense of security and the vaguely similar sounds across all the media we were constantly exposed to. You might already known them, but that's probably why i enjoy boards of canada so much.

  • @nbaoldgirl
    @nbaoldgirl Год назад +1

    The nostalgia is too much 💔

  • @gamingchinchilla7323
    @gamingchinchilla7323 3 года назад +7

    "Mooooooom, Brian is hogging the phone line again!"
    Ahh, the memories of dial-up era

  • @stuartfrance5284
    @stuartfrance5284 3 года назад +9

    I used to love the music you would find on the website of the hotel your family had chosen to go on holiday with. It was midi file stuff and really cheesy, but i would look at it for ages before we went, imagining the pool and restaurant. The music summed up my early internet memories.

  • @devben2448
    @devben2448 2 года назад +30

    I don't know why but this one always hits me hard in the feelings... I have listened to this whole track probably 1000 times. Thank you so much for posting this. When I feel down or nostalgic, this video always makes me feel better, and reminds me of the simpler times. Lets me know that everything will be ok. Peace and Love to everyone.

    • @CicoinTokyo777
      @CicoinTokyo777 2 года назад +2

      I feel the same especially with the first track

    • @devben2448
      @devben2448 2 года назад +1

      @@CicoinTokyo777 Exactly!! The first track for me too.

    • @RetroPlayerOne
      @RetroPlayerOne  2 года назад +5

      Yeah the first track has the same effect on me! It hits you hard with your feels. Thanks for commenting and listening!

    • @devben2448
      @devben2448 2 года назад +2

      @@RetroPlayerOne Thanks for making and posting!

  • @nyoom7495
    @nyoom7495 3 года назад +24

    It's a shame you don't realize you're in the good old days until you're no longer in the good old days. I was 6 years old in 1998. We'd gotten the PS1 recently and I was opening presents on my b-day hoping and praying that it was gonna be a Crash Bandicoot game.

    • @YuukiTakemoto1996
      @YuukiTakemoto1996 3 года назад +1

      You got Metal Gear Solid, didn't you?

    • @moniquegainey3292
      @moniquegainey3292 3 года назад +1

      This was us

    • @nyoom7495
      @nyoom7495 3 года назад +2

      @@YuukiTakemoto1996We got a bunch of different games over the years, CB games, NFS games, Rayman games, bunch of demo discs, Pandemonium 1 and 2, Tony Hawk's, Syphon Filter, Splinter Cell, Tombi etc. My brother has spent extraneous time and money to rebuild the library we had because many games were either lost or scratched beyond playability. He also picked up a whole slew of games that we always wanted as kids but never got.

    • @joshcraft197
      @joshcraft197 3 года назад +1

      @@nyoom7495 siphon filter was the coolest thing--ironically, until the first splinter cell came out

    • @AQUAnetMusic
      @AQUAnetMusic 3 года назад +2

      Today will become the "good ol' days" eventually. Try to think of the present day the same way you'd look back on past times.

  • @Phantom-sl9qv
    @Phantom-sl9qv 3 года назад +6

    I can’t believe 1991 was 30 years ago, where does time go

  • @gamerofthesith5275
    @gamerofthesith5275 3 года назад +1

    How does time move so fast.... so many memories fading... so many smiles.. dust in the wind... sands in an hourglass... hold on to these moments.. you don't realize how quickly they're gone.. never to come again... to all my friends, family, and to anyone... I will never forget you.

  • @SoulnSensual
    @SoulnSensual 3 года назад +63

    1998....13 years old. Couldn't wait to be older...

    • @PenceFamilyGaming
      @PenceFamilyGaming 3 года назад +40

      How wrong we were.

    • @RetroPlayerOne
      @RetroPlayerOne  3 года назад +29

      For real though

    • @equasimilione6493
      @equasimilione6493 3 года назад

      3 years old! DEFINITELY couldn't wait to be older... XD

    • @Suralin0
      @Suralin0 3 года назад +3

      Same. I just wish I'd been able to enjoy that time better while it lasted.

    • @SoulnSensual
      @SoulnSensual 3 года назад +1

      @@Suralin0 Absolutely

  • @midnighttrucker19
    @midnighttrucker19 3 месяца назад +1

    I was 16 in 1991 and I'd never heard of the internet much less AOL.
    Heck, I didn't even have a computer.
    The best i had was Sega Genesis 😅😅

  • @gilerd77
    @gilerd77 3 года назад +43

    And we just got a second hard-line. See you in the chat rooms.

  • @KCCardCo
    @KCCardCo 3 месяца назад +1

    In 1991 I was a kid dreamer. In 1998 I was 18 and I thought I had a chance in this world. I had to give up hope many years ago and let reality set in. One good thing about getting older is you stop caring and nothing really matters anymore.

  • @darryl2542
    @darryl2542 3 года назад +320

    This aesthetic feels more mid to late-'80s than 1998, to be honest. Good mix though.

    • @krisyeo
      @krisyeo 3 года назад +21

      Agreed, pretty much everything in the video is from way before 98. Floppy disks? An 80s can of Pepsi? That Mac!?

    • @prevarikator
      @prevarikator 3 года назад +19

      maybe it's because this is remembering the memory of the 80's in 1998

    • @travtravhaha
      @travtravhaha 3 года назад +9

      @@krisyeo Definitely still had plenty of floppy disks floating about in 1998, all computers would still have a floppy drive too. But still yea strong 80s vibe here

    • @dubmusik304
      @dubmusik304 3 года назад +11

      @@krisyeo The only place you'd find that Mac in 1998 was an outdated high school library haha. 1998 was all about Gateway 2000 and their cowprint!

    • @xelestial_sky
      @xelestial_sky 3 года назад +4

      @@krisyeo We definitely still used floppy disks even up until I graduated in 2007, CDs hadn't come about just yet. But that's the only accurate thing.

  • @Taffer-bx7uc
    @Taffer-bx7uc 3 года назад +1

    Don't miss the dial up but miss playing with my friends outside during the summer.

  • @nelsonbotelho3244
    @nelsonbotelho3244 3 года назад +6

    everything is all 90's I LOVE IT

    • @RetroPlayerOne
      @RetroPlayerOne  3 года назад

      Thanks a ton Nelson! I really appreciate it!

  • @dominicblais2578
    @dominicblais2578 3 года назад +7

    This is great. Though, the funny thing about nostalgia is, if you actually went back, things would not be as great as you might remember - at least, that been my experience. In a way, that makes passing time seem less painful. But, even so, still a nostalgia junkie.

    • @johntylosky8506
      @johntylosky8506 2 года назад

      the phase "passing time" means you don't want to be in that moment. be here now

    • @johntylosky8506
      @johntylosky8506 2 года назад

      phrase *

  • @skiptotheend
    @skiptotheend 3 года назад +51

    I remember thinking I was a bad ass going on the AOL chat rooms. I would swear and say rude stuff. It got reported and my dad was notified somehow and I got grounded and banned from the computer hahaha.

    • @alanm6o9
      @alanm6o9 3 года назад +3

      Lmfao!

    • @tentimetex
      @tentimetex 3 года назад +4

      You were so cool......lol

    • @silentforest2894
      @silentforest2894 3 года назад +2

      This absolutely creased me…love it!

    • @StepSoftlyGhost
      @StepSoftlyGhost 3 года назад +1

      I had some kind of .exe that flooded chat rooms with crazy ascii art. Somehow we got a letter in the post with a warning from AOL that if I did it again I'd be banned. I got in so much shit off my mum. 😂

    • @skiptotheend
      @skiptotheend 3 года назад

      @@StepSoftlyGhost hahaha. Glad I wasn't the only one. Pretty sure they put snippets of my conversations into an email for my dad to read. Oops

  • @jondodson2276
    @jondodson2276 3 года назад +1

    I am lucky to be brought to this world in 91 and able to experience the 90s kid and see the world before the internet took it over

  • @pathologicallyfriendly
    @pathologicallyfriendly 3 года назад +8

    That Apple Macintosh was already 14 years old in 1998 and considered retro

  • @CicoinTokyo777
    @CicoinTokyo777 3 года назад +2

    When I listen this I feel incredibly nostalgic.. I don’t even know what is this feeling. I imagine myself in the 80s in LA beach with the sunset..

  • @n0lanv0id
    @n0lanv0id 3 года назад +27

    I have everything I ever wanted - and I still want to go back

    • @darylroll
      @darylroll 3 года назад +6

      I feel this. I work hard and have money and I feel betrayed that it hasn't completed me

    • @BaquePhotography
      @BaquePhotography 3 года назад +2

      1991 sucked, bel biv devoe on the radio. Crazy Girbaud jeans. TV went off the air at midnight and maybe they had infomercials but probably just played the national anthem and went to static. I had to subscribe to two dozen magazines to try to keep the boredom away. When was the last time you were really bored? In 1991 you could be BORED.

    • @cristiplopeanu
      @cristiplopeanu 3 года назад +3

      @@BaquePhotography Boredom is not a bad thing. It leads to learning and discovery (including self-discovery). Entertainment is purely noise that keeps you busy but stressed all the time, flooding the brain with an amount of information it can't properly process.

    • @BaquePhotography
      @BaquePhotography 3 года назад

      @@cristiplopeanu But when was the last time YOU were bored?

    • @puhbrox
      @puhbrox 3 года назад

      @@darylroll Aint it weird how you just can't have enough these days?

  • @GD-eh3mj
    @GD-eh3mj Год назад +1

    This reminds me of the summer of '91, I was on a road trip to six flags in Atlanta... What an exciting time!

  • @Sean-dl8ym
    @Sean-dl8ym 3 года назад +90

    This feels way more 1988 than 1998

    • @thegrimyeaper
      @thegrimyeaper 3 года назад +2

      Yeah, 98 was too bland to even get a video dedicated to it.

    • @garlandstrife
      @garlandstrife 3 года назад +3

      @@thegrimyeaper 98 had Y2k aesthetic, not bland at all. Probably the last good and original mainstream aesthetic movement.

    • @StinkyGreenBud
      @StinkyGreenBud 3 года назад +1

      Who really cares? People were not this freaking anal about everything back then so get off it.

    • @meganmueller
      @meganmueller 2 года назад +1

      @@twistedmonkey17 because the creator changed the title from 98 to 91

    • @duewhit310
      @duewhit310 Год назад

      Carrabyinn queen
      Now we're sharin the same dream

  • @Oleg-un4lo
    @Oleg-un4lo 8 месяцев назад

    I turned 25 the day before yesterday.
    I don't know those times, but it's like I lived them.
    I added this playlist this summer, and even though I've only been listening to it occasionally for six months, I've already had a lot of fond memories of it.

  • @DrSaav-my5ym
    @DrSaav-my5ym 3 года назад +7

    Okay, this is a truly brilliant mix right here, makes me feel the wonder and joy of the 90's again

  • @crage222
    @crage222 3 года назад +2

    This picked it all up. The moment, the sunset of the 90s vice feel. The room to day dream. You where sucked into both the experience but where the imagination was still running wild back then.

  • @chrisowen3878
    @chrisowen3878 3 года назад +3

    Gran Turismo sounds in that one track, for a second I was 15 again, sat in my room smashing a Nissan Skyline R32 (4WD) around the test circuit again trying to beat my fastest lap...
    Thanks for the nostalgia trip

  • @alphablitz1024
    @alphablitz1024 3 года назад +60

    I feel like the last decade of internet culture has just been applying Tim & Eric's vision.

    • @SoundStation420
      @SoundStation420 3 года назад +14

      welcome to the innernette

    • @rachelbells
      @rachelbells 3 года назад +9

      @@SoundStation420 all on one CD-ROM!

    • @BilliamBillion
      @BilliamBillion 3 года назад +3

      103 websites on one disc

    • @hahahaetc.6983
      @hahahaetc.6983 3 года назад +1

      entropy

    • @GOODLUCKMUSIC8
      @GOODLUCKMUSIC8 3 года назад

      Here's a meditative experience made for you. : ruclips.net/video/XOXgmuKevf4/видео.html&lc=Ugw--VkzcS29anz7LO14AaABAg : ) ENJOY!

  • @이민영-g4j
    @이민영-g4j 3 года назад +4

    There are tons of PL of vaporwave mix on here RUclips but this one is only my favorite. Just perfect.

  • @FreeggNinja3618
    @FreeggNinja3618 3 года назад +3

    80's vibes for life

  • @noahgrich
    @noahgrich 3 года назад +4

    I was born in 95 but..gid dam this hits like I'm relieving old memories

  • @MMUSHcom
    @MMUSHcom 2 месяца назад

    1991, I was in the 1st grade. All I can think about is my best friend Ned and my Mom. I miss both of them. I know I will see them again someday. I am sad thinking about it but joyous that I was blessed to have them in my life at all. Both taken far too soon. It's amazing the feelings, sad and happy, this music stirs up. I wouldn't change it for anything.

  • @jonfranklin9361
    @jonfranklin9361 Год назад +11

    1997 freshmen in high school. First car/first crush. Some of the greatest times of my life.

    • @vitesse_arnhem
      @vitesse_arnhem 3 месяца назад +2

      A freshman with a car? My man was living the life here

    • @RougeMaster
      @RougeMaster 3 месяца назад

      Dude that was 90s not 80s

    • @jonfranklin9361
      @jonfranklin9361 3 месяца назад +2

      @@vitesse_arnhem my dad gave me and my brother a 1986 Chrysler New Yorker.

  • @Malitubee
    @Malitubee 3 года назад +1

    1:30 Bart Graft vibes ❤️❤️. I wanna fall into deep space listening to this , that melody is everything

  • @hugoleonardoamaral586
    @hugoleonardoamaral586 3 года назад +3

    I remember 98 being the longest year of my life for some reason. It was a good year in my life tho. good times...

  • @Ghost-lt4sf
    @Ghost-lt4sf 3 месяца назад

    I was born on ‘91 but this is still giving me nostalgic feels when I was like 6-8. While I listen, I’m treating myself to a bathtub bath which always reminds me of the baths I would take in my grandma’s house. I’d scream while I was forced in, then took way too long to come out. Nothing quite like playing with grandma’s little frog figurines in the water. I miss those times.

  • @nemo4574
    @nemo4574 3 года назад +57

    i wonder where all my internet friends are today, they all just went offline one by one :')

    • @LoveDayandAge
      @LoveDayandAge 3 года назад +5

      This hits me hard...

    • @davidd9707
      @davidd9707 3 года назад +10

      Right in the feels man.. "Last online: 8 years ago"

    • @cristianocaravaggio2731
      @cristianocaravaggio2731 3 года назад +4

      sometimes I think whatever happened to all my friends online. I hope they are all well. I will never get the chance to meet them.

    • @robertmain5079
      @robertmain5079 3 года назад +3

      they're still there, growing and living beautiful lives just like you are. you may have lost contact physically, but any emotional ties will never fade.

    • @DrSaav-my5ym
      @DrSaav-my5ym 3 года назад +1

      well, better than losing all your friends in real life

  • @noxspot
    @noxspot Год назад +2

    This playlist holds a special place in my memories, star gazing on the night sky and laying on a trucks hood while listening to this was a surreal experience. This playlist was also the reason I discovered a lot of vaporwave albums which got me out of depressions days.

  • @bernardafuturagael9213
    @bernardafuturagael9213 Год назад +3

    In the image the true spirit of the 80,s and 90,s (Macintosh, Floppy 1.44, VHS movie, Polaroid film of Kodak and radio...)

  • @DrxSlump
    @DrxSlump 3 года назад +2

    I have lived in 1998, 1991, 1998... all felt like COMPLETELY different eras. Each year had its very own character. And BTW, AOL wasn't a thing at homes until 1995 :)

  • @MsInteresting
    @MsInteresting 3 года назад +62

    "You got mail." 📨

    • @PhantomWorksStudios
      @PhantomWorksStudios 3 года назад +1

      Welcome to my evil lair...
      You've got frekin MAIL!

    • @96NightRider96
      @96NightRider96 3 года назад +4

      maybe i could check it if you would just GET OFF THE PHONE SO I CAN USE THE INTERNET! 😑

    • @sauceyjim2135
      @sauceyjim2135 3 года назад +1

      @@96NightRider96 lol wow remember those days now how did we do it 😂

    • @Ragitsu
      @Ragitsu 3 года назад +1

      @@96NightRider96 "Get off the phone!"

  • @danwohlslagel1277
    @danwohlslagel1277 3 года назад

    Yep....21 years old and hittin' the clubs - 2Livecrew, Vanilla Ice, Wreckx in Effect, Rob Base - and cruisin the ladies in the IROC Camaro. Didn't know how good we had it!

  • @ItsumoHaraheta
    @ItsumoHaraheta 3 года назад +3

    Love the vibe, very cool. I was listening to stuff like Smashing Pumpkins a lot in 1998 though, this reminds me more of various 80s movies that were blissfully devoid of cell phones, computers, etc. that have made things easier but are so alienating as well. Nonetheless I love this sound.

  • @TheNucaKola
    @TheNucaKola 3 года назад +1

    I was only born in 1993, but I remember some details of the late 90’s early 00’s that stick out as just simpler times without all this smartphone and social media crap to bog us down. I’d give just about anything to go back as an adult now and enjoy the simpler life and be less stressful.

  • @Daxx219
    @Daxx219 3 года назад +73

    Born in 90, i porbably was sorting my pokemon cards . Then i hear my friends play outside after dinner.. best feeling to join them and do stupid kids stuff XD

    • @Allthingslife30
      @Allthingslife30 3 года назад +7

      Pogz, crazy bones,happy meal toys , beanie baby’s and action figures ,heelys, Pokémon cards , game boys , just your friends ,imagination and all the time in the world. It hard when you get older you see what’s going on and I feel most older people feel that feeling of depression . We saw was the world was before this change , just like each generation, but I feel us 90s kids were the last generation who weren’t fully immersed in technology. The kids of today I feel are so desensitized to life without technology because they don’t know life without it . I just hope for the best for us all. Lol sorry man I just feel a certain way reading your comment and then listening to the music and thinking about my own past and what’s going on now . It sucks honestly I wish I could go back to the 90s when I didn’t feel the pain of losing so much . The pain of addiction , suffering, rejection, losing your best friends , family members . I wish I could go back and just start over but life doesn’t work that way . You can let your past eat you alive , or you can grow from it . Even when you grow , the pain remains , you just learn how to live without it ruining the rest of your life .

    • @Daxx219
      @Daxx219 3 года назад +3

      @@Allthingslife30 yeah man, it feels like the world was smaller, and nothing changed so much like today. Like a little bubble. Its crazy how fast we have to adapt and always be on the left Lane today. I wish you a happy and long life my friend!

    • @berserkblastoise
      @berserkblastoise 3 года назад +6

      Born in '88 but same. We'd hang out outside with our Game Boys and play Pokémon. 🙏🏼

    • @Allthingslife30
      @Allthingslife30 3 года назад +2

      @@berserkblastoise much love fam , I’ll give ya a sub ☺️

    • @FreneticZetetic
      @FreneticZetetic 3 года назад +2

      Born in 88, so I was 10 here. 5th grade. DAMN. That feeling can't be replicated! Running back outside around late afternoon, playing into the sunset; you had until the street lights came on. What a universal cue for people of our generation everywhere. POGS, Crazy Bones, GameBoy Color, Attitude Era/Monday Night Wars WWF/WCW...

  • @lazarusblackwell6988
    @lazarusblackwell6988 3 года назад +2

    I still have my VHS tapes and Floppy discs and a slider phone.

  • @aaronredacted6377
    @aaronredacted6377 3 года назад +14

    Just splurged for a DSL---it's web surfin' time!

    • @chungies
      @chungies 3 года назад +1

      A DSL, just one.

    • @aaronredacted6377
      @aaronredacted6377 3 года назад +1

      @@chungies Yep! Screaming down the internet freeway at ~ 1 Mbit/s. Eat my dust! =D

  • @fated2you
    @fated2you 3 года назад +3

    This is transporting me right now to simplier times.

  • @vladimirenlow4388
    @vladimirenlow4388 2 года назад +3

    I remember my cousin showing off her first computer in the early '90s, a few months before I got my own. It had AOL IM, and I recall being intrigued by the ability to have conversations with people who were theoretically on the other side of the planet--and how she used it to trade innuendos with middle-school classmates. Honestly, I was more impressed with the Print Shop software that let you make your own greeting cards.
    I also remember thinking how obnoxious it was that you couldn't use the Internet and the phone at the same time, and how someone somewhere needed to fix that. Oh, and maybe fix it so it didn't make that godawful grinding noise when you dialed up?

  • @JimmyJaxJellyStax
    @JimmyJaxJellyStax 2 года назад +2

    Ah this feels like time travel, bright sunny 80s and 90s - only relishing the limited computing and focusing more on being outdoors with friends and family. Sending or getting a great email about how life is going in those early mornings or later afternoons was so enjoyable and meaningful. Funny we did drink a lot of Diet Pepsi then - taste of vaporwave, especially cherry

  • @Suenami89
    @Suenami89 3 года назад +4

    I love the vibes of this video so much! It's perfect to relax and go to sleep to.
    Makes me feel like I'm sinking back in time as I relax

  • @PWinmusic
    @PWinmusic 3 года назад +1

    I miss the summer days in the 90's playing all day in the sun coming inside to sit in front of the home computer lol .We all shared one back then so you had a time slot you could use :) I miss those days before myspace and later facebook. It was a golden era with aol chat rooms lol. 1999 on a hot summer afternoon playing basketball all day in the neighborhood riding bikes and finding enough money to go to the swimming pool. AHHH the good ole days i was 12 and had the world at my fingertips. It was a vibe foresure... If i had a time machine i just might... is it weird that these comments will be here after we pass away?

  • @theashologist
    @theashologist 3 года назад +6

    Thats more late 80s but its still cool 😁

  • @relaxationmusic2363
    @relaxationmusic2363 3 года назад +2

    The song is great to relieve stress after hours of tiring work

  • @Loop985
    @Loop985 3 года назад +5

    its 2006 and you're on msn messanger after bedtime synthwave next please this gives me precursor vibes im sure you can craft something up

  • @ginopacini4999
    @ginopacini4999 3 года назад

    I was born in 1998. If only I had the body and mind that I have today, to see all those people still alive and well that are now gone. Too see my grandfather again and do things together and tell him what i never told him. Miss him a lot.

  • @Hondeer
    @Hondeer 3 года назад +3

    I was 13 in '98 and I can concur, everything was neon blue framed, shaded pink and flock of seagulls were in fashion.
    However, tracking wasn't that bad.

  • @harinderd6857
    @harinderd6857 4 месяца назад

    Love it! So nostalgic. 90s born, probably before my time. Nice retro-radio vibe

  • @matthewbarnes5088
    @matthewbarnes5088 3 года назад +3

    Super good to listen to and though I appreciate the visual aesthetic, this is way more 1985, other than the colorful 3.5 inch floppy disks. The Mac looks like a 128 or maybe a 512, so it should be black and white CRT with way chunkier graphics. That being said, it is really beautifully well done. Both the music and visuals.

  • @davida1hiwaaynet
    @davida1hiwaaynet 3 года назад

    Reminds me of some really good late-night road trips; back when things were better...