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Sorry I had to just stop the video 25 Second in to say you were absolutely hilarious, love the intro. P.s 2:50 in; Did you have to stop the recording because you were cracking up? Love it.
Hey Will, is there a chance you could take a look at the Midnight Solar MN3024DIY? Seems a decent unit but I cannot find any information on it for reviews, good or bad. I am looking at it for a DIY solar generator, having the AC charging built in a fantastic feature. 8s 200amp LIFEPO4 battery.
I've been following Will for a very long time ever since his subs were about around 2000 of them. He is the most honest, humble, yet the most unbaised person & channel you could find on youtube period. I am so happy to see him and his channel growing and I already knew it a long time ago that Will will be successful without a doubt.
I fully agree, will thanks for having your usual high credibility toward your follower (us) that’s why we stay here and keep pointing to that “Jackery” boy the professor if you know 😂
Can you manage the EV car battery with these systems? EV batteries are huge compared to overnight home needs. EV can be topped up daily, if daily drives are less than 10% of EV battery capacity. Rooftop solar PV can handle the home in the day, and top up the EV car battery. Love your work, many waffle on with ignorant prattle. You are strong and clear.
This is the kind of reviews I'm interested in. It feels completely unbais towards any of these companies mentioned and you clearly state your opinion and what's factual. So many reviews mixed the two and it hurts their credibility. Keep producing great content:-)
I just found this channel tonight through my recent research journey on the ECOFLOW. Your method of delivery, honesty, and easy to understand language is brilliant mate. You really have got it down to a fine art.
Glad to see that you were objective about the weight, unlike your buddy Hobotech. Tom was like “omg it’s so heavy” and constantly bashed it for the weight… but it’s just reality that LFP is heavier.
I pointed out that it has a pullout handle and wheels when he was complaining about how heavy it was to move around and he got bent out of shape. He replied not once but two times to emphasize that he knew it had a handle. Dude doesn't appreciate anything that seems like criticism.
What I love about your videos is that you do no BS reviews and tears downs, while giving your honest opinions. Makes it so much easier to find products that actually work to suit any budget.
Another excellent review Will. Seems very clear that at this level of performance, off-gridders will be best served by building their own solution from quality components. It is not difficult to build a DIY system into a crate. Building your own system will avoid the pitfalls and shortcomings that you highlight in your video. Choose an inverter that offers 120/240VAC split-phase output if needed. Size the inverter according to your needs, build-out your battery to the capacity you need, and add as much solar MPPT input as needed for your location. And the BEST PART is that you can then service & edit any part of your system. These all-in-ones are useless when they die, and imagine the inconvenience when you can't service it at your remote cabin!
FINALLY!!! I understood most of what you said. I don't know why I have such a mind block about solar power. But, thanks to this video, I have made up my mind to purchase the Bluetti AC300 after searching for over 3 years. It sounds perfect for my small needs. Now, let's hope I can figure out how to use everything! 🙄🤣 Thank you, Will.
I have the AC300 and live 100% off grid with this system. It Work and powers everything. Getting 2 more batteries 12k watts. I like the 2400 input. I have 6x385 watts panels and the keep my system fully charged. Love the system. Never had a single issue. Great review. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Ok... Typically I am not a fan of AIO solar generator products. But. The Delta Pro IS a pretty nice unit, and its features really do make it a very decent unit for real world usability. Paired with some pretty impressive specs and what looks to be excellent build quality, I would put this down as one of the more well designed solar generator units. I hope these companies send you lots of free stuff in exchange for all the use case testing and real world engineering critique. Great Video! :-)
I have a Ecoflow River Max and its the first portable power unit I've owned. So far, I am very pleased with its performance and use it for camping and overlanding ventures.
For a plug and play system these are great, Thanks Will for your 48 Volt system videos. I built an off grid backup that was simple, cheaper, and higher capacity, but i'm comfortable working with electricity.
Thanks for the comparison. I almost went with the Ecoflow but decided to go with the Bluetti because having the ability to use each expansion battery independently is very important to me.
I pray that one day I am able to have a good solar set up for my bus it will be so handy and safer for my son, husband n myself. Thank u for all the videos u do I have been binge watching n taking notes
Great review. These are MONSTERS!! My budget and needs are smaller but these seem to be the answer for BIG needs where portability is not an issue. Thanks Will.
Excellent review and comparison! The look of pure joy on your face as you road the lift back down from the countertop was priceless. I love watching your videos!
I have 2 River Pros with external batteries and really impressed, use them all the time when camping. When my wife goes grocery shopping for the family we plug the 12v dometic fridge into it and lasts all day while she is out.
5+ years ago I built a basic DIY from Will’s video. It has been 100% reliable for my full time van life. Today I would buy a more powerful all in one hoping it can be professionally serviced 🎈
First of all thanks to Mr. Prowse for such an awesome and helpful channel. Secondly. Is anyone watching that uses a combo of DC and propane to run an off grid residence? Me and my family are just begining our journey on 16 raw acres and would appreciate any words of wisdom. Property does have 2 small seasonal creeks on it as well. Thanks!
i want to say thank you for your videos. i have been learning so much and will be moving to solar eventually and a lot sooner than i thought because of your knowledge and videos. you rock dude, amazing videos
I went with the delta pro for the mobility. I have the extra battery and when I had to move them it was very convenient. I had to. Lift these units one step up and they were a ball buster. I can just imagine how much work it would be without wheels and handles.👍
Absolutely love your videos. You explain things well enough for novices to understand. I just got a Ecoflow Delta 1000 to use as emergency backup, but if I decide to go bigger or use Solar you’ve shown me the way.
I enjoy your videos. I attempted to contact Ecoflows customer service for 4 days and never could get past their zen BS. Customer service weighs in on my purchase decision. So far this company has flunked.
I'm going to use this Ecoflow to go solar in my RV incrementally as I figure out my needs. That EV port will come in very handy until I get solar panels and probably occasionally after.
The EV feature is one of the main reasons why I am getting the Delta pro because I travel all the time and I can now charge it up for free all over the country. That infinity Port is also the best way to power the Ecoflo wave 2 since its DC to DC. Awesome video thx Will
Hi Will, I've been using the Delta Pro as a backer since 2 months now in the northern California area over the winter. I agree with most of your assessment. Here's where I need your help as Ecoflow support won't help. My use-case is I use it 100% for my work-from-home power source for several laptops, monitors, tv and it's been 100% powered by 1200W solar array I built (3x 400w PVs in series). Since I previously owned a 12V LiFePo4 200Ah battery with a PowMr MPPT solar charge controller, that has a separate DC inverter, I didn't buy the Delta Pro extra battery. It's much cheaper to build the setup I have. I wanted to charge my Delta Pro at night using my 200Ah battery with the provided 12V XT60 cable, the problem is the DC current on the Delta Pro is limited on the app to 8A. I can only get 100W into the Delta Pro even though my 200Ah battery has a BMS that can do 100A. I asked EF support if they allow a higher limit like 14A since the cable looks like an AWG14 and should be able to support that current. They simply won't listen. I think my use-case is legit charging the Delta at night with a LiFePo4. We shouldn't all have to buy their extra battery if we already invested in a separate battery bank. Of course I could also use the inverter from my LiFePo4 to charge the AC of the Delta, but the loss in DC-AC conversion doesn't make sense when you can use the DC from the battery directly. Any thoughts? Maybe you can test that and give feedback to EF. One last thing that is annoying is the Delta is super noisy when charged with anything higher than 700W of solar, so I stuck the unit outside and ran AC power into the house. The EF support also didn't help when I complained that the Delta won't charge if solar input is below 40W, and it makes the annoying clicking noise at sunrise and sunset when the MPPT is trying to track weak solar signal. 40W is wasted if it's not charging the Delta. Thanks.
@@TC-nn7xk interestingly, when I changed the cable from battery to use MC4, and connect the provided MC4 to XT60 cable, it does now trick the DP to think solar is active and is providing ~190W input from my 12V LiFePo4 battery. I had to upgrade to a 12AWG MC4 XT60 cable to get at least 15A input.
@@TC-nn7xk Thanks, I am planning to add more batteries in series to get at least 24V since I have a standalone MPPT solar charge controller that can charge the battery bank, then feed the DC continuously to the DP. I did think about an inverter to just feed the AC, bud I'm trying to minimize conversion loss of DC - AC - DC again.
I have an EcoFlow Delta Pro and two extra batteries. I am super happy with it. I’ve had it for about two years. I run a Montana Highcountry 295 RL on 30 amp for Boondocking and with a residential refrigerator and an air conditioner going I can get over 24 hours and with no air conditioner going I can get several days of use without recharging and then to recharge all it takes is my small generator for about an hour and a half or plug it into the wall for about an hour and a half maybe two hours and it’s fully charged again!
I bought the Ecoflow Delta Mini a couple weeks ago (It was cheaper on their website than on Amazon). I got it as an emergency backup for my fridge during the power outages we have here out in the boonies. It was charged at 30% when it arrived, and using the app, I had it fully charged from an outlet in less than 2 hours. (The app allows you to boost the charging rate from a default rate of 200 watts to 900 watts) I did a test and ran the fridge (Whirlpool side-by-side) using the Delta Mini and after 4 1/2 hours it still had 57% charge left. So I think I could safely run the fridge for 8-9 hours on it if I had to. The next day, I connected it to my 100 watt solar panel and recharged it easily. Since then, I've used it with my power tools. I no longer have to drag an extension cord or take my generator to a remote part of my property to use my corded tools. The jigsaw, angle grinder, orbital sander, reciprocating saw, multitool and electric chainsaw all work with the Mini, but my circular saw doesn't. This portable power station is heavier than it looks but I can lift it easily with the handles.
What?! No tear down! How dare you disappoint me like this! Hope you do it in a later video, but overall, this is another excellent descriptive video. Thanks Will!
Excellent, thank you. The Ecoflow Delta Pro is on my short list, except I do not like that the expansion batteries cannot be independently charged / used, major bummer
Very good review, ECOFLOW has one of the best power stations out there. I did a long term review of my ECOFLOW River Pro and that thing lets me work from home off grid all day.
I have both the Bluetti and the Ecoflow. What I don't like about the Bluetti is, that it won't start charging unless it's powered on. The Ecoflow will start charging as soon as it detects a power input.
I Emailed the crap out of them and begged them to make the delta pro for like 2 years. and they finally did it. i was sooo happy they finally did it. I asked for better round trip energy efficiency, the RV connector, better barreries. better soloar charging, expansion and replacement batteries. etc etc etc. because i wanted to use this in my work truck with 2 480w solar panels on my roof. i think i asked for a EV port too, but i dont remember. ecoflow is now shitting on EVERY other competition out there.. and its cheaper and easier to get a EF Delta pro for your RV, Tiny house, Offgrid shop, boat, etc etc etc than it is to do a custom power system.
Hi Will, I think a possible use case for the ev charger port on the eco flo pro is when it is installed in something like a rv and the user needs to quickly juice up their system while on the go.
Thanks for the updated review. My configuration is two Delta Pros each with an extra battery connected to the grid through the EcoFlow Smart Home panel. 14.4 kWt 7200 output. Just waiting for the Smart home panel so I can integrate electrical energy management with my smart home.
@@alexisgueits7684 Alexis: I had a garage rebuild after a water heater problem. I am building out a power wall for my initial system. Just got some Q Cells solar panels. I am in no hurry but am excited with the system and the opportunities it provides.
I have the Delta pro and like it. I’ll probably buy the AC300 as well just because I like the separate batteries and the ability to charge them independently. The Delta pro is No slacker though. So many things to buy so little money. 🤑
I like his show informative and no dogs or cats or sick joking. I also like has no corney side kick.He is all business with no nonsense he is perfact at this .Thank you
Nice review. The EV charging on it might be good for those of us living in RVs or vans. You can just stop by some place and do a fast charge on it if you’ve been in a lot of cloudy days.
Thanks for the review of these products! I recently started watching your videos and looking into solar generators. I’ve been going back and forth trying to decide if a grid tied solar system with batteries would be worth the cost. I live in Puerto Rico where the power grid is not the most reliable so a home UPS system seems like the most cost effective solution for power outages and times of power shedding.
For use in a motor home it’s nice that it has a 30 amp plug that you could plug directly into and power the whole Rv. It would be nice also if it had a 30 amp input plug so you could fast charge it from the Rv’s built in generator. More practical than looking for an ev charging station, especially out boon docking away from population centers.
Will does another really great review. Contrary to Will's remark about the smart car charger I think that's amazing for traveling. Pull into a mall, provincial or national park and you can charge your system.
Some info on wall charging would be helpful. Others had said the UPS feature of the Delta Pro made it hard to consider. It did not have a hybrid inverter mode where it can be plugged in and invert from battery at the same time.
Once small suggestion, for these all in one system reviews it would be nice to know their idle AC consumption. For a fairly small system, that 24h load can add up quite a bit.
I plugged my bluetti ac300 with no batteries to a watt meter on the outlet and saw that it drew over 10 watt hours when idle and around an additional watt hour with wifi and/or bluetooth on. The bluetti shuts itself off after 4 hours of inactivity from either the pv or ac output. It turns itself back on with pv activity. So if you only pull in 200 watt hours over a 12 hour period your net is 80 watt hours which is not good. So with the ac 300 you will need at least a 400 watt array. However, if you leave the ac300 disconnected from the battery unit and charge them directly you don't get that ~10-11 watt penalty.
I love the comparison and the totally unbiased review. Despite some of the cons listed here, I still love my Delta Pro. I've also ordered the Smart Generator which can be a really good backup. Waiting on the Smart Home Pane to really get more bang out of my buck.
You do a great job explaining and keeping things simple. Some of us don't fully understand all of the tech but you explain it well enough for most to understand!! Cheers
If it's for something at your house (most likely) - couldn't you just run a 'ground only' plug essentially, just tie a ground from your home system (could be from the main panel, could be from copper plumbing..etc) to the Ecoflow?
Well lesson learned in life. You suffer once and you do not want to suffer again. Your body is the most important thing you have in life and health. Good using tools to accommodate. 💪💪
Hey man! Thanks for all the helpful videos!!! You’re incredible. Quick question, I’m doing my first van build and I’m trying to decide if I should go with BattleBorn batteries or if I could get away with Zooms. I can get more batteries if I go with zooms and I really want to spend time off grid. If I install a cool temperature cutoff system with the Zooms, would you say I could go with them or still buy less batteries and go with BattleBorn?
Excellent review(s) of these two units. Very thorough, thanks. I have an AC200 MAX and an Off Grid TREK 220 watt solar blanket to charge the AC200 MAX. I use it for car camping power and charging the TWO 52 volt Li-ion batteries of my 2 wheel drive mountain bike (E-CELLS Super Monarch Crown)
My use for this would be for boondocking with our camper so we would be using the 30 amp 120 Vac a lot. On another channel, they were saying they could only get around 25 amps output from this unit and the voltage was dangerously low whereas the Bluetti cranked out 33 amps and a very stable 120 Vac. Also, the sine wave was very clean. Have you tried this yet to see if that is the case with yours? They were using the 200max versus the 300 though.
Hi Will. The 12v 10a outputs are good for powering Wifi routers and fibre optic wall boxes. Obviously lots you can do with them but in a power out scenario running your internet + wifi is a good start for connectivity.
I ended up with a Delta Pro and two extra batteries. Added 1200w solar array and a small inverter generator for backup charging. The Bluetti I started with was dead on arrival so I couldn't repeat that. At any rate I'll be better prepared for a grid down scenario.
Thanks for covering nearly every combination of systems... You've whetted my appetite so-to-speak, this may well be the way to go in order to prepare for off-grid/emergencies...
Nice report Will. We like your style. I got the Delta Mini, just because I like this technology. It does more than my DIY 230 lifepo pack with an inverter in the RV, for about the same cost. The Pro is on a whole new level. I love the 30A receptacle - my RV is 30A. :) I might actually have to buy one of these. SMH
While watching your review I kept thinging that in the next minute you'll start talking about all of the features for the RV owner or Van dweller. Heck, you mentioned the AC outlet alignment while the 30A RV outlet was staring you right in the face without discussing it. I suspect many of your viewers are not always "landlocked" and purchased (or will purchase) the DP for boondocking or powering on the road. And the EV charger is a game changer!
There are good and bad sides for each. I personally like the Delta Pro because it's easier to use and more practical to carry around since I've got a bad back. With the AC300 you have to carry them piece by piece or rig a cart system. The EcoFlow app is also better for me and has lots of settings to better suit your needs.
i just wanted to say thank you 4 reviewing this, becuase it caused me to rethink my entire system before i spent money on building it. I have officaly bought both a delta pro, and one extension battery. You da man!
@DYI Solar Power with Will Prowse I have two Pros and 4 expansion batteries... they didn't charge or discharge like you described. I have reached out to them because one set I was using died overnight while using a 3D printer(I didn't want a failed print because of black outs). The main unit was completely drained but the extra batteries where at 20% and the other had about 10%. I received a reply, but I did not like the response they provided. Supposedly they (EcoFlow Pros) give you an overall average. I have them set at 80% capacity to be gentle on the batteries and extend their life. I have not tried the following because I am travelling at the moment. Their response... "When the extra batteries are connected to the DELTA power station, the recharge level would be that of their total battery capacity.
Let's take a look at the two photos you provided previously. In the first photo, the battery capacity of each of them is 79%, 62%, and 99%. The average is 80%. So, the total capacity is at the 80% level. In the second photo, the battery capacity of each of them is 84%, 85%, and 72%. The average is about 80%. It also matches the 80% level you set.
Regarding the inequivalent levels between the power station and the extra batteries, please follow the below instruction to have a test. Change the Discharge/Charge Level to 0%-100% in the app. Connect the power station to the extra batteries and use some appliance(s) to discharge them until they are turned off automatically at 0%. Set the charge level at 80% in the app. Plug the power station into the wall socket for AC charging. We will see whether they would be charged to a similar level this time.
Looking forward to your feedback." Now I think what I am experiencing is not correct, because I would imagen that the system configuration I am using would all share input and out to stay close as possible to each other. The deviation on my first set looks way off. Anyhow I thought you would like to know my current experience. I will be trying what they suggested and see if there is a difference.
You can ultimately expand the Delta Pro ecosystem to up to 26kwh if I'm not mistaken. Partner that with the Smart Home Panel and you've basically got a grid tie system. However, not sure if even that would be enough for the size of your home as it would depend on what appliances you're powering up.
Excited about this review. Sitting back and taking note... Will come back. It would be easy to make a small rack using 2x4s to stack them. What do you hear about customer support from Ecoflow? They've had a lot of complaints in the past.
@@robertdillon9989 Hi Robert, it is EcoFlow's routine troubleshooting measure to ask customers to send back videos of problematic units. The idea is to identify the problem so that we can improve on our products and services. We place a great amount of trust in all our customers and we appreciate you for letting us know your confusions.
Hi Tex, it has been our mission to provide the best support to all our users. We've invested a great amount of resources in improving our customer service over the years and we will continue to do so moving forward. We value every customer's voice and opinions and please feel free to let us know if you have any suggestions for EcoFlow, thank you!
@@robertdillon9989 Hi Robert. I had to send my Delta Mini back as well. Would not start charging until solar panels were outputting 45 watts. Dealer said Ecoflow confirmed that was how it was designed to operate but it was not mentioned in the specs or the user manual. Shame as it was an excellent unit. My River Pro has performed brilliantly.
Great videos! I would love to see a video on UPS (uninterruptable power supply) battery replacement with LiFePo batteries. This would be to replace the lead-acid batteries they come with. I've seen a couple of videos out there, but they're done by raw amateurs (one of them even started a fire during the video).
The whole reason I'm interested is because of the EV charging. I'm planning on living in a tiny house on wheels in the U.P. of Michigan. We can go weeks without sun during the winter and it's not realistic to run the van endlessly to keep them charged. I need the power to work so it's beneficial to have a potential way to buy power in a pinch.
Will I know I'm old school and like to keep things simple. I look at all the bells and whistles they have added to both of these systems and wonder what happens when the bells and whistles break. I look forward to seeing how well these units hold up over the long haul, will they hold up as well as my old Toyota I've had for 30 plus years now?
The “Standby” switch turns on wireless communication ( when the unit is off ) so it will show “connected - Sleep” in the EcoFlow app. With it set to off, it just shows up as “disconnected”.
Are you sure? I have the "Standby" switch on and our unit powered off. The app shows disconnected. My understanding, according to the owner's manual, is the Standby switch is for when the power goes out, the DP starts outputting power in 30ms. I tested this feature out and it work very well and fast. The light hardly flickered.
I've been researching some of these systems and the Delta Pro in particular. The thing I like about it so far is you can use multiple inputs at the same time, solar power plus AC, and it's expandable for things like wind power. It also has a smart generator that automatically turns on when the powerbank gets below a certain level and turns off automatically when it gets up to a certain level. How does the Bluette compare to this?
Thank you for producing so many objective and informative videos. It has helped me make choices on multiple devices. I am having a large grid-tied solar system installed professionally with REC AA Pure 395W panels x 75 with IQ7+ micro inverters. The enphase batteries seem too expensive for the kWh and performance compared to other options. The installers are unwilling to consider incorporating solutions such as a EG4 LiFePO4 battery bank. They seem to think I can do something after their install but aren't specific. What type of battery solution would you recommend using with this system? What components should I ensure they install -- such as IQ load controller and system controller - to future proof expansion to battery backup? If not compatible I may consider an ecopro bank tied into a critical load panel and charged with a standard 110v outlet or my gas generator when grid down? Thank You
You can buy a bag of power plug extension cords that are under a foot long, tough material, that let's you extend the power jack away from things like wall ports and the closely lined electrical jacks on surge protectors. They're pretty cheap and really help get the most out of your power strip.
OMG...I was just online looking at the Delta pro... perfect timing. I know absolutely nothing about electricity/solar, and trying to find something for off-grid power, kind of an "all in one" kit/setup, for backup power... Now back to the video Edit: thank you Will! I really appreciate that you told us your preference of the blue yeti system, and why. Seems that the blue yeti, in that configuration, is probably the best choice for my situation. Now I'm off to it check out. ❤️🌵☀️⛈️🌈☮️
I was a newbie as well and I went with EcoFlow's products cuz it seems easy to operate. Also, their community really helped with my whole set up. Wanted to try Bluetti as well but didn't have a good experience with their community
@@joycedong6768 thank you sharing your experience! So many things to consider, and appreciate help from someone who, like me, is new to all of this. Thanks again!
Ok, help me out here---is the Delta Pro with the extra 2 batteries the same as or equal to a "server rack" built in off gird home system? You mention the Delta Pro could easily power a small cabin. I really need a conclusive answer...Server Rack system or the Delta Pro system??
I would go server rack but it depends on your level of experience. If you feel comfortable building a system, go for it. The Delta pro is designed for anyone to use easily. But personally, I would use server rack battery any day over these
Infinity EV charging is not useless, im charging my Delta pro with my BMW level 2 charger with a speed of 3500watts more or less per hour and it only takes an hour for it be fully charge from 0. Best feature by far in my opinion.
Good review Will. Does the Pro have charge cycle counter for main unit as well as expansion batteries? I have the Delta sitting at the post office waiting for me to be picked up. I consider it a “excursion pack”. Totally sufficient for day trips or weekend getaways. At that point the low charge cycle life will still give it a 10+ years lifespan. I’m looking into the Pro to use on a sailboat for long term cruising. It’s simplicity and large capacity makes it perfect. Biggest downside is that even with eco flows own solar panels I can’t connect more than 1200 watts of solar. I’m either over voltage or over current. Luckily I’ll be in the tropics most of the time. In comparison to the AC300 from Bluetti,… the AC300 does not have any battery in it so it’s really a stand along charger/inverter. A expansion battery will be needed just to have a working package. For this reason I prefer the Delta Pro. However, I do like that the Bluetti batteries have a solar/car charger input and provide at least 12V outlets. My wishlist: Bluetti AC300 - add a battery to main unit. Delta Pro - increase solar charge controller capacity to 200V or 250V and current to 25-30A to allow for more solar charging. This is crucial if one want to use expansion batteries Delta Pro Expansion Battery - add solar/car charger input, 400-500 watts, 15A will be enough. Add basic 12V outlets so the unit can have stand alone versatility. I think the capacity of the Delta Pro is enough for my needs on a sailboat. I considered at least one expansion battery to essentially double charge cycle life. However, I’m sure in 10 years something much more awesome will be available and I’d die of envy being stuck with my unit for an additional 10+ years. Taking into consideration that a sailboat environment is not exactly hospitable to anything but water itself, it’s fair to assume that the unit might not even survive 10 years of daily use. My vote is for the Delta Pro over the Bluetti AC300 for my use case. For land use I still think it’s awesome for RVs, backup power and even to run a workshop completely off grid. For main cabin/house use, I think a more traditional setup will provide more versatility and expansion options. A 5kw charger/inverter and several server rack batteries will provide this at a reduced cost.
Could you not use two ac200max...as your power system do they not couple like the ac300... then you would have 240v plus redundant 2000w generators with twice the solar input for just a couple 100 more
Thanks for the updated review Will, do you suppose I can link this to a Big Battery for additional storage? I'm loving my Delta Pro but was thinking I can save a ton of dough using a BB.
Hi all, So....I have a hack that I literally just thought of for people who can't afford another Delta Pro or extra battery BUT need additional power and own another ecoflow battery. I have called ecoflow and given them the idea as well and they confirmed that it will in fact work!! I then asked them why they don't tell everyone after I've told them and they said they would "escalate the idea" to their top tier and perhaps add it to their FAQs. So here's the idea: We've been told that you must have like systems in order to use them together. This is NOT actually true. If your Delta Pro is low on power (or any other ecoflow system you have) you can simply plug its charging cable (in the rear) into the front of the secondary system. In other words you're using the second system as a wall outlet of sorts. This works especially well in the evening when the sun is down and there is no more backup energy. What do you do when the sun is up?...even better...plus the second system from the rear into the front of the Delta Pro. This allows the sun to charge them BOTH regardless of the differences of their capacities or sizes!!! The only word of caution they gave me after saying what a great idea this was, was to say don't forget to lower the charging speed on the Delta Pro once it's plugged into the front of the second system. Guys this means you can use anything from a River and up to charge your Delta Pro OR any other ecoflow system. If this works for you please like my comment and say "Thanks T!!" just so I'll know at least I was able to communicate something helpful to the solar community-especially since these systems are sooooo expensive!!
Both are pretty neat! My thinking would be to have two Bluetti stacks with two extra batteries. That way, 5400w in PV capability for recharging/powering, 240v AC, 6,000w, all for (hopefully) less than $7000. Get a transfer panel (or switch box) in your home or whatever and bammo...done. One could even not use "as much" PV panels to keep all four batteries @ 100% SOC...just buy grid power at night when it is cheaper and supplement (offset) with a solar panel array during the day to slow the discharge down and save money. Just set a timer unit up to turn on the AC/DC adapter for recharging! 😎 Nice work Will!
Per Will's comment on the redundancy of Delta Pro vs Bluetti, I thought I would add this for everyone's benefit. Since you can 'bridge' two Ecoflow Delta Pro units together (or keep them separate) and each Pro unit (along with the expansion battery packs) hold 3,600Wh of capacity, and the cost difference between an expansion battery and an entire second Delta Pro is currently $900 (33% more than the expansion unit), why not just get two Pro's instead of a single Pro plus extra battery? I am planning to build my own system to be able to personally replace any single failed part, but if I were purchasing a turn-key solution, this would be it.
Hi Will. I've been watching your videos for a while now, and they're all packed full of great info. I've learned which devices I need to use and how to connect them all together. I especially like your milk crate videos. But there's one thing I'm still missing and that's the sizing of components when starting with just an AH requirement (and want to plan for growth). For example, I've got the Chins 100AH battery and three 200W Renogy panels (22.6V/8.85A each). Part of me thinks that's an overkill for the battery, but I'd like to expand to a 300AH battery and maybe add another 200W solar panel in the future. How do I determine solar charge controller size? And what if I want to add a converter (like the Victron Blue Smart IP65) in the future? My system is all 12V, so I don't need an inverter, but you've used inverter/chargers in the past. What if I just need a converter? Well, if you happen to have time, I'd love to see you do a project that walks through building a base system that's growth friendly. Keep up the great stuff! This is what RUclips was meant for!!!
The battery specs will determine max charge current. For the Chins 100Ah battery, it's 70A (although 0.5C or 50A is kinder to the battery). Next you choose a suitable charger. A PWM charger simply passes the current that the battery wants from the solar panel. So low batt voltage and high irradiation = max current. It must be rated to withstand that + a margin, e.g. 8.85A + margin per your example panel. Your Victron converter is simply an AC wall charger. Its output current is well below the max charging current of a single battery. A MPPT charger can provide more amps than the sum of the panel current ratings. Your 3 panels won't exceed one battery's max charge current, but it'll be full so quick on sunny days and so you'll have wasted energy. You may still need 3 if you want decent charge on cloudy/winter days.
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I tend to think the 3 volt is for some reparable batteries for some older flashlights and or reparable watch batteries!
For someone on a budget which one of the generator bundles would you suggest? Ecoflow, Blueetti……other ??
Sorry I had to just stop the video 25 Second in to say you were absolutely hilarious, love the intro.
P.s 2:50 in; Did you have to stop the recording because you were cracking up? Love it.
Hey Will, is there a chance you could take a look at the Midnight Solar MN3024DIY? Seems a decent unit but I cannot find any information on it for reviews, good or bad.
I am looking at it for a DIY solar generator, having the AC charging built in a fantastic feature.
8s 200amp LIFEPO4 battery.
I've been following Will for a very long time ever since his subs were about around 2000 of them. He is the most honest, humble, yet the most unbaised person & channel you could find on youtube period. I am so happy to see him and his channel growing and I already knew it a long time ago that Will will be successful without a doubt.
Thank you :)
I fully agree, will thanks for having your usual high credibility toward your follower (us) that’s why we stay here and keep pointing to that “Jackery” boy the professor if you know 😂
Yes to above. Will is the type of person that we could use a lot more if in this world!
Can you manage the EV car battery with these systems?
EV batteries are huge compared to overnight home needs.
EV can be topped up daily, if daily drives are less than 10% of EV battery capacity.
Rooftop solar PV can handle the home in the day, and top up the EV car battery.
Love your work, many waffle on with ignorant prattle.
You are strong and clear.
He has been passionate about what he does here since day one.
This is the kind of reviews I'm interested in. It feels completely unbais towards any of these companies mentioned and you clearly state your opinion and what's factual. So many reviews mixed the two and it hurts their credibility.
Keep producing great content:-)
I just found this channel tonight through my recent research journey on the ECOFLOW. Your method of delivery, honesty, and easy to understand language is brilliant mate.
You really have got it down to a fine art.
Glad to see that you were objective about the weight, unlike your buddy Hobotech. Tom was like “omg it’s so heavy” and constantly bashed it for the weight… but it’s just reality that LFP is heavier.
Also he is “Jackery” boy and that let him lose credibility, not like will only the other hand 💪
Leave HoboTech alone. Maybe he's just weak. You know he's an older man lol 🤣
@@Saleh.Al-Ghamdi nah he’s Bluetti
@@jamesmichaelcabrera9613 lol you got what I mean 😂
I pointed out that it has a pullout handle and wheels when he was complaining about how heavy it was to move around and he got bent out of shape. He replied not once but two times to emphasize that he knew it had a handle. Dude doesn't appreciate anything that seems like criticism.
What I love about your videos is that you do no BS reviews and tears downs, while giving your honest opinions. Makes it so much easier to find products that actually work to suit any budget.
Another excellent review Will. Seems very clear that at this level of performance, off-gridders will be best served by building their own solution from quality components. It is not difficult to build a DIY system into a crate. Building your own system will avoid the pitfalls and shortcomings that you highlight in your video. Choose an inverter that offers 120/240VAC split-phase output if needed. Size the inverter according to your needs, build-out your battery to the capacity you need, and add as much solar MPPT input as needed for your location. And the BEST PART is that you can then service & edit any part of your system. These all-in-ones are useless when they die, and imagine the inconvenience when you can't service it at your remote cabin!
FINALLY!!! I understood most of what you said. I don't know why I have such a mind block about solar power. But, thanks to this video, I have made up my mind to purchase the Bluetti AC300 after searching for over 3 years. It sounds perfect for my small needs. Now, let's hope I can figure out how to use everything! 🙄🤣 Thank you, Will.
Thanks Will, I ordered a Pro and now I feel better about spending that much money on it. I like your honesty in your reviews.
How's it been for you?
@@David.L291 I tested it and it worked great. I haven’t done much after that but I’m sold on its capabilities.
I have the AC300 and live 100% off grid with this system. It Work and powers everything. Getting 2 more batteries 12k watts. I like the 2400 input. I have 6x385 watts panels and the keep my system fully charged. Love the system. Never had a single issue. Great review. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
I’m thinking very seriously about 300. What did your config cost you if you don’t mind sharing?
Ok... Typically I am not a fan of AIO solar generator products.
But.
The Delta Pro IS a pretty nice unit, and its features really do make it a very decent unit for real world usability. Paired with some pretty impressive specs and what looks to be excellent build quality, I would put this down as one of the more well designed solar generator units.
I hope these companies send you lots of free stuff in exchange for all the use case testing and real world engineering critique.
Great Video!
:-)
I have a Ecoflow River Max and its the first portable power unit I've owned. So far, I am very pleased with its performance and use it for camping and overlanding ventures.
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For a plug and play system these are great, Thanks Will for your 48 Volt system videos. I built an off grid backup that was simple, cheaper, and higher capacity, but i'm comfortable working with electricity.
Thanks for the comparison. I almost went with the Ecoflow but decided to go with the Bluetti because having the ability to use each expansion battery independently is very important to me.
I pray that one day I am able to have a good solar set up for my bus it will be so handy and safer for my son, husband n myself. Thank u for all the videos u do I have been binge watching n taking notes
Great review. These are MONSTERS!! My budget and needs are smaller but these seem to be the answer for BIG needs where portability is not an issue. Thanks Will.
Love that you compared the two of them. Thanks for taking the time to really test them.
Excellent review and comparison! The look of pure joy on your face as you road the lift back down from the countertop was priceless. I love watching your videos!
I have 2 River Pros with external batteries and really impressed, use them all the time when camping. When my wife goes grocery shopping for the family we plug the 12v dometic fridge into it and lasts all day while she is out.
This is a beautiful beast. Love ❤️ evolution of these solar generators. Sure beats the massive battery banks of the not so distant past.
5+ years ago I built a basic DIY from Will’s video. It has been 100% reliable for my full time van life. Today I would buy a more powerful all in one hoping it can be professionally serviced 🎈
First of all thanks to Mr. Prowse for such an awesome and helpful channel. Secondly. Is anyone watching that uses a combo of DC and propane to run an off grid residence? Me and my family are just begining our journey on 16 raw acres and would appreciate any words of wisdom. Property does have 2 small seasonal creeks on it as well. Thanks!
i want to say thank you for your videos. i have been learning so much and will be moving to solar eventually and a lot sooner than i thought because of your knowledge and videos. you rock dude, amazing videos
I went with the delta pro for the mobility. I have the extra battery and when I had to move them it was very convenient. I had to. Lift these units one step up and they were a ball buster. I can just imagine how much work it would be without wheels and handles.👍
Put the unit on a hand truck problem solved for the bluetti
Absolutely love your videos. You explain things well enough for novices to understand. I just got a Ecoflow Delta 1000 to use as emergency backup, but if I decide to go bigger or use Solar you’ve shown me the way.
I enjoy your videos. I attempted to contact Ecoflows customer service for 4 days and never could get past their zen BS. Customer service weighs in on my purchase decision. So far this company has flunked.
I'm going to use this Ecoflow to go solar in my RV incrementally as I figure out my needs. That EV port will come in very handy until I get solar panels and probably occasionally after.
The EV feature is one of the main reasons why I am getting the Delta pro because I travel all the time and I can now charge it up for free all over the country. That infinity Port is also the best way to power the Ecoflo wave 2 since its DC to DC.
Awesome video thx Will
Hi Will, I've been using the Delta Pro as a backer since 2 months now in the northern California area over the winter. I agree with most of your assessment. Here's where I need your help as Ecoflow support won't help. My use-case is I use it 100% for my work-from-home power source for several laptops, monitors, tv and it's been 100% powered by 1200W solar array I built (3x 400w PVs in series). Since I previously owned a 12V LiFePo4 200Ah battery with a PowMr MPPT solar charge controller, that has a separate DC inverter, I didn't buy the Delta Pro extra battery. It's much cheaper to build the setup I have. I wanted to charge my Delta Pro at night using my 200Ah battery with the provided 12V XT60 cable, the problem is the DC current on the Delta Pro is limited on the app to 8A. I can only get 100W into the Delta Pro even though my 200Ah battery has a BMS that can do 100A. I asked EF support if they allow a higher limit like 14A since the cable looks like an AWG14 and should be able to support that current. They simply won't listen. I think my use-case is legit charging the Delta at night with a LiFePo4. We shouldn't all have to buy their extra battery if we already invested in a separate battery bank. Of course I could also use the inverter from my LiFePo4 to charge the AC of the Delta, but the loss in DC-AC conversion doesn't make sense when you can use the DC from the battery directly. Any thoughts? Maybe you can test that and give feedback to EF. One last thing that is annoying is the Delta is super noisy when charged with anything higher than 700W of solar, so I stuck the unit outside and ran AC power into the house. The EF support also didn't help when I complained that the Delta won't charge if solar input is below 40W, and it makes the annoying clicking noise at sunrise and sunset when the MPPT is trying to track weak solar signal. 40W is wasted if it's not charging the Delta. Thanks.
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If you can find a DC to DC charger that can output higher voltage then you can trick the DP to think solar is coming in.
@@TC-nn7xk interestingly, when I changed the cable from battery to use MC4, and connect the provided MC4 to XT60 cable, it does now trick the DP to think solar is active and is providing ~190W input from my 12V LiFePo4 battery. I had to upgrade to a 12AWG MC4 XT60 cable to get at least 15A input.
@@LinhNguyen0 You could try a boost converter to take the 12.8v battery to a higher voltage you could get more out of the 15A input limit.
@@TC-nn7xk Thanks, I am planning to add more batteries in series to get at least 24V since I have a standalone MPPT solar charge controller that can charge the battery bank, then feed the DC continuously to the DP. I did think about an inverter to just feed the AC, bud I'm trying to minimize conversion loss of DC - AC - DC again.
I have an EcoFlow Delta Pro and two extra batteries. I am super happy with it. I’ve had it for about two years. I run a Montana Highcountry 295 RL on 30 amp for Boondocking and with a residential refrigerator and an air conditioner going I can get over 24 hours and with no air conditioner going I can get several days of use without recharging and then to recharge all it takes is my small generator for about an hour and a half or plug it into the wall for about an hour and a half maybe two hours and it’s fully charged again!
I bought the Ecoflow Delta Mini a couple weeks ago (It was cheaper on their website than on Amazon). I got it as an emergency backup for my fridge during the power outages we have here out in the boonies. It was charged at 30% when it arrived, and using the app, I had it fully charged from an outlet in less than 2 hours. (The app allows you to boost the charging rate from a default rate of 200 watts to 900 watts)
I did a test and ran the fridge (Whirlpool side-by-side) using the Delta Mini and after 4 1/2 hours it still had 57% charge left. So I think I could safely run the fridge for 8-9 hours on it if I had to. The next day, I connected it to my 100 watt solar panel and recharged it easily.
Since then, I've used it with my power tools. I no longer have to drag an extension cord or take my generator to a remote part of my property to use my corded tools. The jigsaw, angle grinder, orbital sander, reciprocating saw, multitool and electric chainsaw all work with the Mini, but my circular saw doesn't.
This portable power station is heavier than it looks but I can lift it easily with the handles.
Captain Dan You must have a beast of a fridge. Mine only uses about 400wh per day. That delta mini would keeo it running for 2 days straight.
What?! No tear down! How dare you disappoint me like this! Hope you do it in a later video, but overall, this is another excellent descriptive video. Thanks Will!
Excellent, thank you. The Ecoflow Delta Pro is on my short list, except I do not like that the expansion batteries cannot be independently charged / used, major bummer
Very good review, ECOFLOW has one of the best power stations out there. I did a long term review of my ECOFLOW River Pro and that thing lets me work from home off grid all day.
I think the next generation of both of this is gonna be worth the money.
Hopefully they still make them compatible with the 1st generation
I have both the Bluetti and the Ecoflow. What I don't like about the Bluetti is, that it won't start charging unless it's powered on. The Ecoflow will start charging as soon as it detects a power input.
There was a time when Will gave up on testing these 'ready-made' units. It's nice to see they actually perform well enough!!
I Emailed the crap out of them and begged them to make the delta pro for like 2 years. and they finally did it. i was sooo happy they finally did it. I asked for better round trip energy efficiency, the RV connector, better barreries. better soloar charging, expansion and replacement batteries. etc etc etc. because i wanted to use this in my work truck with 2 480w solar panels on my roof.
i think i asked for a EV port too, but i dont remember.
ecoflow is now shitting on EVERY other competition out there.. and its cheaper and easier to get a EF Delta pro for your RV, Tiny house, Offgrid shop, boat, etc etc etc than it is to do a custom power system.
Hi Will, I think a possible use case for the ev charger port on the eco flo pro is when it is installed in something like a rv and the user needs to quickly juice up their system while on the go.
Thanks for the updated review. My configuration is two Delta Pros each with an extra battery connected to the grid through the EcoFlow Smart Home panel. 14.4 kWt 7200 output. Just waiting for the Smart home panel so I can integrate electrical energy management with my smart home.
I am about to buy 2 Delta Pro's with the Ecoflow Smart Home Panel... Did you already installed your Smart Home Panel? Is it working nicely?
@@alexisgueits7684 Alexis: I had a garage rebuild after a water heater problem. I am building out a power wall for my initial system. Just got some Q Cells solar panels. I am in no hurry but am excited with the system and the opportunities it provides.
YES! Been waiting for this one.
I'm thinking about getting the Ecoflow Delta Pro for offgrid. Thanks for the clear, articulate videos, Will!
I have the Delta pro and like it. I’ll probably buy the AC300 as well just because I like the separate batteries and the ability to charge them independently. The Delta pro is No slacker though. So many things to buy so little money. 🤑
I like his show informative and no dogs or cats or sick joking. I also like has no corney side kick.He is all business with no nonsense he is perfact at this .Thank you
Nice review. The EV charging on it might be good for those of us living in RVs or vans. You can just stop by some place and do a fast charge on it if you’ve been in a lot of cloudy days.
Good point! It’s been a while since Will lived in an RV ☺️
The smile on WIll’s face is priceless when it comes to new toys.
I would like more comparison videos like these. Perfect. Thanks!
I love the fact that you said the Ecoflow can not work individually. good heads up. I already own the Pro but its something to consider. Thank you!
Thanks for the review of these products! I recently started watching your videos and looking into solar generators. I’ve been going back and forth trying to decide if a grid tied solar system with batteries would be worth the cost. I live in Puerto Rico where the power grid is not the most reliable so a home UPS system seems like the most cost effective solution for power outages and times of power shedding.
I visited Eco Flow in Shenzhen China last year. In China the AC output is 220v. It can run a lot of power tools.
For use in a motor home it’s nice that it has a 30 amp plug that you could plug directly into and power the whole Rv. It would be nice also if it had a 30 amp input plug so you could fast charge it from the Rv’s built in generator. More practical than looking for an ev charging station, especially out boon docking away from population centers.
I agree. I’m leaning towards the Bluetti but I still need to research Titan.
@@MAXIMUSMINIMALIST I totally agree!!! Let’s go Brandon!!!
Can the EcoFlow DELTA Pro be plugged into 30amp shore power at RV park?
Thank you. I like the AC300 for the lighter weight I am old and 80 lbs is about my safe limit.
Just the review I was looking for. Thank you!
Will does another really great review. Contrary to Will's remark about the smart car charger I think that's amazing for traveling. Pull into a mall, provincial or national park and you can charge your system.
Some info on wall charging would be helpful. Others had said the UPS feature of the Delta Pro made it hard to consider. It did not have a hybrid inverter mode where it can be plugged in and invert from battery at the same time.
Are there any AIO's out there that allow for AC charging while also outputting? That would be nice!
I think the EV port is useful for getting a quick charge during outages, that's if it's online of course.
Once small suggestion, for these all in one system reviews it would be nice to know their idle AC consumption. For a fairly small system, that 24h load can add up quite a bit.
I plugged my bluetti ac300 with no batteries to a watt meter on the outlet and saw that it drew over 10 watt hours when idle and around an additional watt hour with wifi and/or bluetooth on. The bluetti shuts itself off after 4 hours of inactivity from either the pv or ac output. It turns itself back on with pv activity. So if you only pull in 200 watt hours over a 12 hour period your net is 80 watt hours which is not good. So with the ac 300 you will need at least a 400 watt array. However, if you leave the ac300 disconnected from the battery unit and charge them directly you don't get that ~10-11 watt penalty.
I love the comparison and the totally unbiased review. Despite some of the cons listed here, I still love my Delta Pro. I've also ordered the Smart Generator which can be a really good backup. Waiting on the Smart Home Pane to really get more bang out of my buck.
I've been waiting for this video! I have a river max and LOVE it!
You do a great job explaining and keeping things simple. Some of us don't fully understand all of the tech but you explain it well enough for most to understand!!
Cheers
Ecoflow Pros are impressive. Would be even better if they get the bonded neutral issue resolved for 240V applications.
If it's for something at your house (most likely) - couldn't you just run a 'ground only' plug essentially, just tie a ground from your home system (could be from the main panel, could be from copper plumbing..etc) to the Ecoflow?
Well lesson learned in life. You suffer once and you do not want to suffer again. Your body is the most important thing you have in life and health. Good using tools to accommodate. 💪💪
Hey man! Thanks for all the helpful videos!!! You’re incredible. Quick question, I’m doing my first van build and I’m trying to decide if I should go with BattleBorn batteries or if I could get away with Zooms. I can get more batteries if I go with zooms and I really want to spend time off grid. If I install a cool temperature cutoff system with the Zooms, would you say I could go with them or still buy less batteries and go with BattleBorn?
Excellent review(s) of these two units. Very thorough, thanks.
I have an AC200 MAX and an Off Grid TREK 220 watt solar blanket to charge the AC200 MAX. I use it for car camping power and charging the TWO 52 volt Li-ion batteries of my 2 wheel drive mountain bike (E-CELLS Super Monarch Crown)
My use for this would be for boondocking with our camper so we would be using the 30 amp 120 Vac a lot. On another channel, they were saying they could only get around 25 amps output from this unit and the voltage was dangerously low whereas the Bluetti cranked out 33 amps and a very stable 120 Vac. Also, the sine wave was very clean. Have you tried this yet to see if that is the case with yours? They were using the 200max versus the 300 though.
Hi Will. The 12v 10a outputs are good for powering Wifi routers and fibre optic wall boxes. Obviously lots you can do with them but in a power out scenario running your internet + wifi is a good start for connectivity.
Absolute legend, thank you soooo much
I ended up with a Delta Pro and two extra batteries.
Added 1200w solar array and a small inverter generator for backup charging.
The Bluetti I started with was dead on arrival so I couldn't repeat that.
At any rate I'll be better prepared for a grid down scenario.
Thing looks bad ass keep up the great work
Thanks for covering nearly every combination of systems... You've whetted my appetite so-to-speak, this may well be the way to go in order to prepare for off-grid/emergencies...
Nice report Will. We like your style.
I got the Delta Mini, just because I like this technology. It does more than my DIY 230 lifepo pack with an inverter in the RV, for about the same cost. The Pro is on a whole new level. I love the 30A receptacle - my RV is 30A. :)
I might actually have to buy one of these. SMH
While watching your review I kept thinging that in the next minute you'll start talking about all of the features for the RV owner or Van dweller. Heck, you mentioned the AC outlet alignment while the 30A RV outlet was staring you right in the face without discussing it. I suspect many of your viewers are not always "landlocked" and purchased (or will purchase) the DP for boondocking or powering on the road. And the EV charger is a game changer!
There are good and bad sides for each. I personally like the Delta Pro because it's easier to use and more practical to carry around since I've got a bad back. With the AC300 you have to carry them piece by piece or rig a cart system. The EcoFlow app is also better for me and has lots of settings to better suit your needs.
i just wanted to say thank you 4 reviewing this, becuase it caused me to rethink my entire system before i spent money on building it. I have officaly bought both a delta pro, and one extension battery. You da man!
@DYI Solar Power with Will Prowse I have two Pros and 4 expansion batteries... they didn't charge or discharge like you described. I have reached out to them because one set I was using died overnight while using a 3D printer(I didn't want a failed print because of black outs). The main unit was completely drained but the extra batteries where at 20% and the other had about 10%.
I received a reply, but I did not like the response they provided. Supposedly they (EcoFlow Pros) give you an overall average. I have them set at 80% capacity to be gentle on the batteries and extend their life. I have not tried the following because I am travelling at the moment.
Their response...
"When the extra batteries are connected to the DELTA power station, the recharge level would be that of their total battery capacity.
Let's take a look at the two photos you provided previously.
In the first photo, the battery capacity of each of them is 79%, 62%, and 99%. The average is 80%. So, the total capacity is at the 80% level.
In the second photo, the battery capacity of each of them is 84%, 85%, and 72%. The average is about 80%. It also matches the 80% level you set.
Regarding the inequivalent levels between the power station and the extra batteries, please follow the below instruction to have a test.
Change the Discharge/Charge Level to 0%-100% in the app.
Connect the power station to the extra batteries and use some appliance(s) to discharge them until they are turned off automatically at 0%.
Set the charge level at 80% in the app.
Plug the power station into the wall socket for AC charging.
We will see whether they would be charged to a similar level this time.
Looking forward to your feedback."
Now I think what I am experiencing is not correct, because I would imagen that the system configuration I am using would all share input and out to stay close as possible to each other.
The deviation on my first set looks way off. Anyhow I thought you would like to know my current experience.
I will be trying what they suggested and see if there is a difference.
You can ultimately expand the Delta Pro ecosystem to up to 26kwh if I'm not mistaken. Partner that with the Smart Home Panel and you've basically got a grid tie system. However, not sure if even that would be enough for the size of your home as it would depend on what appliances you're powering up.
Excited about this review. Sitting back and taking note... Will come back. It would be easy to make a small rack using 2x4s to stack them. What do you hear about customer support from Ecoflow? They've had a lot of complaints in the past.
@@robertdillon9989 Hi Robert, it is EcoFlow's routine troubleshooting measure to ask customers to send back videos of problematic units. The idea is to identify the problem so that we can improve on our products and services. We place a great amount of trust in all our customers and we appreciate you for letting us know your confusions.
Hi Tex, it has been our mission to provide the best support to all our users. We've invested a great amount of resources in improving our customer service over the years and we will continue to do so moving forward. We value every customer's voice and opinions and please feel free to let us know if you have any suggestions for EcoFlow, thank you!
@@robertdillon9989 Hi Robert. I had to send my Delta Mini back as well. Would not start charging until solar panels were outputting 45 watts.
Dealer said Ecoflow confirmed that was how it was designed to operate but it was not mentioned in the specs or the user manual. Shame as it was an excellent unit. My River Pro has performed brilliantly.
Great videos! I would love to see a video on UPS (uninterruptable power supply) battery replacement with LiFePo batteries. This would be to replace the lead-acid batteries they come with. I've seen a couple of videos out there, but they're done by raw amateurs (one of them even started a fire during the video).
They should make Cable-less stacking with plugs on the top/bottom of each unit.
The whole reason I'm interested is because of the EV charging. I'm planning on living in a tiny house on wheels in the U.P. of Michigan. We can go weeks without sun during the winter and it's not realistic to run the van endlessly to keep them charged. I need the power to work so it's beneficial to have a potential way to buy power in a pinch.
Will I know I'm old school and like to keep things simple. I look at all the bells and whistles they have added to both of these systems and wonder what happens when the bells and whistles break.
I look forward to seeing how well these units hold up over the long haul, will they hold up as well as my old Toyota I've had for 30 plus years now?
The “Standby” switch turns on wireless communication ( when the unit is off ) so it will show “connected - Sleep” in the EcoFlow app. With it set to off, it just shows up as “disconnected”.
Are you sure? I have the "Standby" switch on and our unit powered off. The app shows disconnected. My understanding, according to the owner's manual, is the Standby switch is for when the power goes out, the DP starts outputting power in 30ms. I tested this feature out and it work very well and fast. The light hardly flickered.
I've been researching some of these systems and the Delta Pro in particular. The thing I like about it so far is you can use multiple inputs at the same time, solar power plus AC, and it's expandable for things like wind power. It also has a smart generator that automatically turns on when the powerbank gets below a certain level and turns off automatically when it gets up to a certain level. How does the Bluette compare to this?
soundsgood for grid down?
I ended up buying the Delta pro for the mobility aspect. The handle and wheels make it easy on the back to move it around the house👍
Thank you for producing so many objective and informative videos. It has helped me make choices on multiple devices. I am having a large grid-tied solar system installed professionally with REC AA Pure 395W panels x 75 with IQ7+ micro inverters. The enphase batteries seem too expensive for the kWh and performance compared to other options. The installers are unwilling to consider incorporating solutions such as a EG4 LiFePO4 battery bank. They seem to think I can do something after their install but aren't specific.
What type of battery solution would you recommend using with this system? What components should I ensure they install -- such as IQ load controller and system controller - to future proof expansion to battery backup?
If not compatible I may consider an ecopro bank tied into a critical load panel and charged with a standard 110v outlet or my gas generator when grid down?
Thank You
You can buy a bag of power plug extension cords that are under a foot long, tough material, that let's you extend the power jack away from things like wall ports and the closely lined electrical jacks on surge protectors. They're pretty cheap and really help get the most out of your power strip.
OMG...I was just online looking at the Delta pro... perfect timing.
I know absolutely nothing about electricity/solar, and trying to find something for off-grid power, kind of an "all in one" kit/setup, for backup power...
Now back to the video
Edit: thank you Will!
I really appreciate that you told us your preference of the blue yeti system, and why. Seems that the blue yeti, in that configuration, is probably the best choice for my situation.
Now I'm off to it check out.
❤️🌵☀️⛈️🌈☮️
From this day forward, my Bluetti AC300 will be called a Blue Yeti. Thanks, Laurie!
I was a newbie as well and I went with EcoFlow's products cuz it seems easy to operate. Also, their community really helped with my whole set up. Wanted to try Bluetti as well but didn't have a good experience with their community
@@joycedong6768 thank you sharing your experience!
So many things to consider, and appreciate help from someone who, like me, is new to all of this.
Thanks again!
@@TacticalGhost007 LMAO 😂 OMG
Thanks, I needed that.
Have a great day!
@@fallbrkgrl You're welcome. Cheers!
The Bluetti expansion batteries that shut down and are unable to self-reset and charge is still a deal breaker, as you mentioned.
Ok, help me out here---is the Delta Pro with the extra 2 batteries the same as or equal to a "server rack" built in off gird home system? You mention the Delta Pro could easily power a small cabin. I really need a conclusive answer...Server Rack system or the Delta Pro system??
I would go server rack but it depends on your level of experience. If you feel comfortable building a system, go for it. The Delta pro is designed for anyone to use easily. But personally, I would use server rack battery any day over these
Infinity EV charging is not useless, im charging my Delta pro with my BMW level 2 charger with a speed of 3500watts more or less per hour and it only takes an hour for it be fully charge from 0. Best feature by far in my opinion.
Good review Will.
Does the Pro have charge cycle counter for main unit as well as expansion batteries?
I have the Delta sitting at the post office waiting for me to be picked up. I consider it a “excursion pack”. Totally sufficient for day trips or weekend getaways. At that point the low charge cycle life will still give it a 10+ years lifespan.
I’m looking into the Pro to use on a sailboat for long term cruising. It’s simplicity and large capacity makes it perfect. Biggest downside is that even with eco flows own solar panels I can’t connect more than 1200 watts of solar. I’m either over voltage or over current. Luckily I’ll be in the tropics most of the time.
In comparison to the AC300 from Bluetti,… the AC300 does not have any battery in it so it’s really a stand along charger/inverter. A expansion battery will be needed just to have a working package. For this reason I prefer the Delta Pro. However, I do like that the Bluetti batteries have a solar/car charger input and provide at least 12V outlets.
My wishlist:
Bluetti AC300 - add a battery to main unit.
Delta Pro - increase solar charge controller capacity to 200V or 250V and current to 25-30A to allow for more solar charging. This is crucial if one want to use expansion batteries
Delta Pro Expansion Battery - add solar/car charger input, 400-500 watts, 15A will be enough. Add basic 12V outlets so the unit can have stand alone versatility.
I think the capacity of the Delta Pro is enough for my needs on a sailboat. I considered at least one expansion battery to essentially double charge cycle life. However, I’m sure in 10 years something much more awesome will be available and I’d die of envy being stuck with my unit for an additional 10+ years. Taking into consideration that a sailboat environment is not exactly hospitable to anything but water itself, it’s fair to assume that the unit might not even survive 10 years of daily use.
My vote is for the Delta Pro over the Bluetti AC300 for my use case.
For land use I still think it’s awesome for RVs, backup power and even to run a workshop completely off grid.
For main cabin/house use, I think a more traditional setup will provide more versatility and expansion options. A 5kw charger/inverter and several server rack batteries will provide this at a reduced cost.
Could you not use two ac200max...as your power system do they not couple like the ac300... then you would have 240v plus redundant 2000w generators with twice the solar input for just a couple 100 more
this look like the plug and play i was looking for
Thanks for the updated review Will, do you suppose I can link this to a Big Battery for additional storage? I'm loving my Delta Pro but was thinking I can save a ton of dough using a BB.
Hi all,
So....I have a hack that I literally just thought of for people who can't afford another Delta Pro or extra battery BUT need additional power and own another ecoflow battery. I have called ecoflow and given them the idea as well and they confirmed that it will in fact work!! I then asked them why they don't tell everyone after I've told them and they said they would "escalate the idea" to their top tier and perhaps add it to their FAQs. So here's the idea: We've been told that you must have like systems in order to use them together. This is NOT actually true. If your Delta Pro is low on power (or any other ecoflow system you have) you can simply plug its charging cable (in the rear) into the front of the secondary system. In other words you're using the second system as a wall outlet of sorts. This works especially well in the evening when the sun is down and there is no more backup energy. What do you do when the sun is up?...even better...plus the second system from the rear into the front of the Delta Pro. This allows the sun to charge them BOTH regardless of the differences of their capacities or sizes!!! The only word of caution they gave me after saying what a great idea this was, was to say don't forget to lower the charging speed on the Delta Pro once it's plugged into the front of the second system. Guys this means you can use anything from a River and up to charge your Delta Pro OR any other ecoflow system. If this works for you please like my comment and say "Thanks T!!" just so I'll know at least I was able to communicate something helpful to the solar community-especially since these systems are sooooo expensive!!
Would it be better to buy two delta pros to have a back up and not a battery? Would it work the same as having a battery plugged in? Thanks
Both are pretty neat! My thinking would be to have two Bluetti stacks with two extra batteries. That way, 5400w in PV capability for recharging/powering, 240v AC, 6,000w, all for (hopefully) less than $7000. Get a transfer panel (or switch box) in your home or whatever and bammo...done. One could even not use "as much" PV panels to keep all four batteries @ 100% SOC...just buy grid power at night when it is cheaper and supplement (offset) with a solar panel array during the day to slow the discharge down and save money. Just set a timer unit up to turn on the AC/DC adapter for recharging! 😎 Nice work Will!
Per Will's comment on the redundancy of Delta Pro vs Bluetti, I thought I would add this for everyone's benefit. Since you can 'bridge' two Ecoflow Delta Pro units together (or keep them separate) and each Pro unit (along with the expansion battery packs) hold 3,600Wh of capacity, and the cost difference between an expansion battery and an entire second Delta Pro is currently $900 (33% more than the expansion unit), why not just get two Pro's instead of a single Pro plus extra battery? I am planning to build my own system to be able to personally replace any single failed part, but if I were purchasing a turn-key solution, this would be it.
Can you explain the primacy of 2 EF Delta Pro's over the Bluetti AC300-B300 combo?
I made this point to EcoFlow customer service and they agreed 👍🏻
exactly what I was thinking.
Very helpful. I love your teaching technique. Your videos are great.
Hi Will. I've been watching your videos for a while now, and they're all packed full of great info. I've learned which devices I need to use and how to connect them all together. I especially like your milk crate videos. But there's one thing I'm still missing and that's the sizing of components when starting with just an AH requirement (and want to plan for growth). For example, I've got the Chins 100AH battery and three 200W Renogy panels (22.6V/8.85A each). Part of me thinks that's an overkill for the battery, but I'd like to expand to a 300AH battery and maybe add another 200W solar panel in the future. How do I determine solar charge controller size? And what if I want to add a converter (like the Victron Blue Smart IP65) in the future? My system is all 12V, so I don't need an inverter, but you've used inverter/chargers in the past. What if I just need a converter? Well, if you happen to have time, I'd love to see you do a project that walks through building a base system that's growth friendly. Keep up the great stuff! This is what RUclips was meant for!!!
The battery specs will determine max charge current. For the Chins 100Ah battery, it's 70A (although 0.5C or 50A is kinder to the battery). Next you choose a suitable charger. A PWM charger simply passes the current that the battery wants from the solar panel. So low batt voltage and high irradiation = max current. It must be rated to withstand that + a margin, e.g. 8.85A + margin per your example panel. Your Victron converter is simply an AC wall charger. Its output current is well below the max charging current of a single battery. A MPPT charger can provide more amps than the sum of the panel current ratings. Your 3 panels won't exceed one battery's max charge current, but it'll be full so quick on sunny days and so you'll have wasted energy. You may still need 3 if you want decent charge on cloudy/winter days.
I have been watching this channel for a while it’s come a long way since I subscribed. No BS just the facts.