HF and Software Defined Radio: HDSDR + USRP + GNU Radio + RFMap

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  • Опубликовано: 14 янв 2025

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  • @chadmspooner
    @chadmspooner 12 лет назад

    I've successfully downloaded the recordings from BT, and taken a first look at all ten files. It looks like you placed inphase samples in one channel of the wav file, and quadrature in the other. The spectra look good! Thanks very much to you and Matt for doing this.

  • @batterseapowered
    @batterseapowered 12 лет назад

    This is a very well produced video. Thanks for taking the time to put in all those split screens, zooms and annotations. I don't know much about radio but I found it very interesting and informative to watch.

  • @davekeck
    @davekeck 12 лет назад

    I understood maybe 25% of what you're talking about, but wow that was an awesome video. It's incredible how you can see and listen to all the signals occurring all around you. So freaking cool, and you really seem to know what you're doing =)

  • @FirstToken
    @FirstToken 12 лет назад

    Going to have to break my comments into several pieces here:
    The “sweepers” at about the 01:15 mark in the video (and at several other points) are indeed Ionosondes, also called Chirpsounders. You might want to research the AN/TRQ-35 or TRQ-35 sounder for details. Sweep rates of 100 kHz / sec are common. If you plot the time of the sounder at any frequency you can even correlate it back to the source. There used to be, not sure how active it still is, a Chirpsounder Yahoo group.

  • @N0SSC
    @N0SSC 12 лет назад

    Great vid!
    Those "whistlers" are definately ionosondes; they're easily identitied by their constant slope over a wide band. Some amateurs have ionosondes, so they may stop and go; the wider ones are also ionosondes, just with a different sound which draw differnent graphs. The quicker sweepers are definitely radars like codar like you mentioned.
    The whistlers on VLF are somewhat related to lightning bursts; they are quite anomalistic and enigmatic and are natural earth sounds like sferics.

  • @balint256
    @balint256  13 лет назад

    Thanks for watching it and giving such detailed feedback! I'm sure other viewers will appreciate it too.

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    You've hit it on the head: that's the magic of RF, why I love it so - it's an invisible world that's full of signals to explore, analyse and decode. A fascinating natural resource (when you think about it).

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    This set up is using a USRP, so YMMV with the RTL2832 dongle. The recordings are only 1 MHz wide, which the dongle can do - but it's only 8 bits so you'll have reduced dynamic range. The transverter just puts the HF signal into a 60 MHz mixer, so you just add 60 MHz to the frequency you really want to listen to when setting the tuning. Unfortunately I don't know what's available on the market now - I have an old Kuranishi Instruments FC-965DX-T.

  • @TheCanesVenatici
    @TheCanesVenatici 12 лет назад

    I've been decoding digital mode transmissions since 1995 using an AEA PX232 MBX TNC. Not a whole lot good today since most RTTY/TDM/BAUDOT from commercial sites is encrypted. I now use an Alinco SR8T and SDR software for rig control but it would be very cool to have software that could do signal identification and decode the more sophisticated digital modes. Very good video.

  • @balint256
    @balint256  13 лет назад

    Yes, other people have also mentioned CODAR too.
    That night signals were booming in - it hasn't really been repeated since.

  • @TheHubblethebubble
    @TheHubblethebubble 11 лет назад

    Very nice and well produced informative video! Thanks for having taken the time to share it.

  • @FirstToken
    @FirstToken 12 лет назад

    The slow rate sweeper at 11:25 in the video is a sounder, it might be associated with JORN. If you pay close attention after it leaves one freq it steps up or down (one direction or the other, a given one always travels in one direction only) 1 to 2 MHz and sounds again. And then another 1 or 2 MHz and again, etc. The steps are not always even 1 or 2 MHz steps, but are often close to that size.

  • @smidgedy
    @smidgedy 12 лет назад

    boom, exactly the resource I was looking for. Cheers for that, and let the experimenting begin!

  • @FirstToken
    @FirstToken 12 лет назад

    The multi speed sweeper at 15:40 is another sounder. Quite possibly associated with the same source as the one at 11:25, again, it might be related to JORN. Note that this sounder generally does 64 sweeps at each rate before stepping down to the next rate, it also often has 16 speed steps. And again it is common for this one to step up or down 1 MHz and sound again.

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    No worries! Glad you enjoyed it. Could probably tap their IF outputs and sample that using a simpler SDR (quadrature receiver) ;)

  • @brianwalker9816
    @brianwalker9816 11 лет назад

    There is an instrument which sends out a repeating swept RF signal. Signals are scattered back from the ionosphere and and also back from the ground when the signal bounces. The backscatter is measured and the distance is calculated. This way one can know where on the earth a certain signal will hit after bouncing off the ionosphere once or twice. Some people leave these devices running all the time just to annoy those of us with more serious uses of the spectrum. :p

  • @lui_gough
    @lui_gough 13 лет назад

    band.
    4:13 - Sweeper - I've occured some that are continuous and others which are cycling frequencies and some have told me it may have something to do with SuperDARN or CODAR sensors.
    4:58 - The blocks you mention tend to be the ones which are cycling - the pulse repetition frequencies of these are often different and are usually radar of some sort. You have very good reception! These are real signals though!
    5:50 - Maybe you can see if Sigmira could lock the STANAG signal?

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    I know you know now ;) But for everyone else: the bandwidth is dependant on the input sampling rate, which can be adjusted in the ExtIO's Device Control dialog. The range is above 900 ksps to 3.2 Msps (i.e. above 900 kHz to 3.2 MHz).

  • @FirstToken
    @FirstToken 12 лет назад

    Both radar RUclips videos you pull up at 03:00 are mine ;)
    The sweep at 04:40 is indeed CODAR.
    The “blocks” at 04:53 are a sounder. The exact location and designation for this one has not been confirmed.
    The sweeps at 06:25 are CODAR, under one of the channels of Chinese OTHR (I have seen up to 12 simultaneous channels of Chinese OTHR, in channel “pairs”). The CW is unrelated to either.

  • @roccotanto
    @roccotanto 12 лет назад

    this is a fascinating video, thank you for sharing it! i really have to get an SDR, seems like a very powerful tool for a SWL'er......things sure have improved since my old Hallicrafters :-)

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    Consider this video the inspiration to get into SDR then! :)
    You could just jump in by getting a cheap SDR receiver ($20 Realtek RTL2832 dongle - originally a DVB-T receiver - or a FUNcube Dongle) and using HDSDR, and then later read about GNU Radio (they have a huge site with lots of resources), what it can do, and how you can begin experimenting with it (e.g. it has a nice block-based graphical programming tool called "GNU Radio Companion").

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    No worries - have fun & good luck!

  • @martin1698
    @martin1698 12 лет назад

    the sweeps are chirp transponders they go from 4hz up to 30mhz they show on a display the f1 f2 f3 layers for good propergation for tx rx ccts

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    All that was done with various blocks in GNU Radio Companion, so I would start experimenting with that firstly (and perhaps finding sample flowgraphs on the net). Once you feel more comfortable, get gr-baz (and possibly my GNU Radio patches) from my wiki, compile/install, and you can use the Fast Auto-correlation sink and other combinations that use other new blocks (e.g. Variable Delay). See the gr-baz wiki page for screenshots of block combinations that do that sort of analysis.

  • @JK360noscope
    @JK360noscope 11 лет назад

    I will have to second the first comment, as this is by far one of the most enjoyable videos I've watched in the past year. No searching around for definitions of things, as it's already explained in the video.
    This should be an archetype for a good educational youtube video.

  • @lui_gough
    @lui_gough 13 лет назад

    I've had a few locks but since it's all encrypted, it's pretty useless.
    Sorry, I'm writing this as I watch - I see you've mentioned CODAR.
    I've also seen sweepers with discontinuities as well - and sweepers which isn't very linear either towards the higher bands usually sweeping downward.
    Very nice constellation plot on that Stanag signal - and now I see you used Sigmira too.
    Great video! Really enjoyed watching this :D Been a bit busy myself, but unfortunately not with radio ...

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    Thanks for your lovely comment!

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    I haven't used Excalibur/Perseus myself, but I imagine they're both pretty good. First place would be to check their specs on sensitivity, etc. Then read about what other users have reported regarding performance. That said, the USRP is in a class of its own because (as you say) it's just so flexible. Apart from the transverter+WBX, you could also build your own pre-amp (e.g. using the one in the Genesis radio kit), and use it in front of the LFRX - I think that could work really well too!

  • @balint256
    @balint256  13 лет назад

    Thanks - it's great having the extra bandwidth (or the widened perspective as you say ;).

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    Camtasia Studio (they have a free trial) - a great package. It's split-screen as they're actually just two monitors and the recording area extends across both.

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    You can certainly try! However, you will need a transverter to bring HF up to the frequency range that the dongle accepts (e.g. I use a Kuranishi Instruments FC-965DX-T for +60 MHz to use HF with the WBX in my USRP).

  • @nominalvelocity
    @nominalvelocity 12 лет назад

    Just an unedcuated guess, the relatively weak stepped signals you pointed out at 5:17 might be a reflection from some sort of AESA / low probablity of intercept militarty radar.

  • @balint256
    @balint256  13 лет назад

    Thank you! Of course: HFDL - seen it in screenshots, but never received it before.
    Will have to tune to 10 MHz next time and watch...

  • @FirstToken
    @FirstToken 12 лет назад

    The radar at 08:50 is a bit more iffy. It might be the radar you quote, it also might be, probably is in fact, the PLUTO II radar out of Akrotiri. The specs are all correct for PLUTO. Of course, these are common techniques, so it could be any one of several radars. If it is always on that freq you noted it is probably the radar you have associated to it. But, PLUTO jumps in freq from time to time. It also has several second of dead carrier before the sweeps start.

  • @lui_gough
    @lui_gough 13 лет назад

    Whistlers - I tend to get them around here, and it's almost certainly man-made. Ionosondes maybe, someone suggested that I reference the time it crosses WWV/WWVH's 10Mhz signal and I will find that they are supposedly very regular!
    1:43 - that's HFDL aka HF-ACARS used by long haul aircraft. The single "alignment" tone before the data burst is a giveaway - you're tuned a bit too low so it might not have been that easy to spot by ear. The fact they're clustered is because they are in the aviation

  • @drspastic
    @drspastic 12 лет назад

    thanks for identing the stanag. i was wondering what that was for years

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    No, but it works with the USRP (that is what is used in the video), which is what OpenBTS also uses to transmit/receive (i.e. it's the common hardware).

  • @Malvineous0
    @Malvineous0 12 лет назад

    Very interesting! Any chance you'd be willing to make one of those capture files available so we can try this all out without owning an SDR device?

  • @balint256
    @balint256  13 лет назад

    Yes! That is most definitely one of my favourite films (even though it differs from the book in some respects).

  • @DK8OK
    @DK8OK 13 лет назад

    Fascinating, and full of helpful information! I really do like the combination of GNU Radio and RFMap. 73 Nils, DK8OK

  • @chadmspooner
    @chadmspooner 12 лет назад

    Thanks very much for the video. Like Malvineous0, I would very much like to obtain I/Q samples corresponding to your collected HF data. Did you end up placing any data in a dropbox or other accessible location?

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    Yes, you certainly can! Please have a look at my latest video: "Ultra-cheap SDR: HF with RTL2832 and transverter" (link in video description).

  • @Ulterior1980
    @Ulterior1980 12 лет назад

    I bought all needed parts for SDR just after seeing this vid :)

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    So sorry, I haven't had a chance to upload them yet. I'm in a bit of a pickle because I just launched Aviation Mapper publicly, and my upstream is saturated. I need to keep it as free as possible to handle the incoming requests (perhaps I could throttle but then it would take forever). I might try to ask a friend to upload/torrent it for me... Will post back here when I do!

  • @IAMVIBRATIONMUSIC
    @IAMVIBRATIONMUSIC 11 лет назад

    the blocks that move across the spectum at a different rate seem to be in morse code staggered with a delay to either separate, or break down the message into intervals. like a binary code.

  • @udovdh
    @udovdh 12 лет назад

    Very interesting application.
    What Linux software enables the user to browse a very wide spectrum visually and maybe also in audio? (AM, FM, WFM, etc)

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    Please refer to my GNU Radio 'patches' wiki page (in video description) where you will find the appropriate patch to apply to the GNU Radio WAV Source block. There is a problem with the original code that prevents it from playing HDSDR recordings. Once you apply the patch, it will work fine!

  • @tjhowse
    @tjhowse 12 лет назад

    What are you using to record your screen? The zooming and split-screen stuff is very nice, I'd like to use it to show off a project of mine.

  • @jeroen1205
    @jeroen1205 12 лет назад

    It all looks and sounds so cool in this vid, but I have no clue what you are doing :-) Where can I learn more about this stuff?

  • @alienhybrid
    @alienhybrid 12 лет назад

    great video! a couple of questions... how do you identify the signals? software or personal knowledge? How did you get HDSDR to display the correct frequency with the transverter?
    Thanks! Just getting started in SDR and very interested... bought an EzCap after watching one of your videos.

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    I have put the recordings on BitTorrent - see the video info for the torrent's URL.
    Thank you to my SDR mate Matt Robert for the initial seed while my net connection is hammered by Aviation Mapper visitors!

  • @w9zsj
    @w9zsj 11 лет назад +2

    Terrific job! I'll rerun to study this again.
    W9ZSJ

  • @flyingfrancisco
    @flyingfrancisco 12 лет назад

    Good morning
    I I thought that the RTL2832U was tunable from 60MHz to 170MHz. I see you are in the ham band at 7MHz. How are you able to do that. I bought one of these and most of the radio waves I can see or listen to is in the FM band 88MHz to 107MHz.
    Thx in advance

  • @todkapuz
    @todkapuz 12 лет назад

    Very cool ... sdr really looks like the way to go... just got back into scanning and ham radio... last night i was in the 5-6mhz area and found some of these.. always wondered what they might be... but i also was changing modes and switched to wide-fm and actually was able to hear a spanish broadcast in widefm that i couldnt make out in am/ssb/ or any other mode. i can't find anyone on such a signal, any thoughts?

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    The main one I use in the video is HDSDR, which is Windows only - but GNU Radio, Sigmira and many others run on Linux and/or are cross-platform!
    Please see my updated video description for links to the various packages you can use...

  • @AlbertMilliron
    @AlbertMilliron 11 лет назад

    Very informative video, nice to actually learn something

  • @alexcazaux
    @alexcazaux 12 лет назад

    Verrrrry instructive !

  • @GROOVETECHSETS
    @GROOVETECHSETS 12 лет назад

    I have RTL2832, I can tune the same transmissions what you show in your video if I live in Spain?
    srry for my english, thank you! =)

  • @rgc4684
    @rgc4684 12 лет назад

    I've just ordered a P160 tuner from ebay.com.au and I'd like a little more info on your setup. You mention a transverter that "adds 60MHz" to the signal coming in to the USRP. Is there some transverter you could recommend that I could use with my P160? I understand that the Unikoo UK001T (I understand the P160 is like the UK001T) has a somewhat limited bandwidth, though, so a +60MHz up conversion may not be enough for me.

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    That could be a 'sounder' for RADAR (as suggested by someone else).

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    That's a great idea! Compressed it's about 1.7 GB in total though - any hints on where I should have it hosted?

  • @atomikrobot300099
    @atomikrobot300099 12 лет назад

    Great Video! After watching this video I feel a bit.... ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD

  • @smidgedy
    @smidgedy 12 лет назад

    G'day, are there any resources out there on basic gnu radio usage like you did with the STANAG signal?

  • @definty
    @definty 11 лет назад

    Could you do a tutorial on decoding the different signals to get the data/voice in them?

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    Have a look at the bottom of this video's description for some options.

  • @r2kordmaa
    @r2kordmaa 12 лет назад

    i tried to use the recordings but i get
    RuntimeError: is not a valid wav file
    from wav file source block, how do i replay these for GNURadio?

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    I wouldn't think so. Such continuous and 'linear' signals are usually caused by ionosondes sweeping the ionosphere. Frequency-hopping radios would likely jump through a series of discrete frequencies as opposed to changing continuously like that. Although you never know! (Nevertheless, there's no modulation on them...) That's the mysterious beauty of HF.

  • @PhrackTheLord
    @PhrackTheLord 12 лет назад

    I'm running Ubuntu, can I use the same software as you are?

  • @Malvineous0
    @Malvineous0 12 лет назад

    Great, thanks! Otherwise a bittorrent link on your web site would be fine for me, I'm happy to seed it for a while.

  • @PauloCSantosGarcia
    @PauloCSantosGarcia 12 лет назад

    I also agree with your opinion, its a signal from ionosondes

  • @TM-cb2te
    @TM-cb2te 12 лет назад

    This is fantastic

  • @ruawhitepaw
    @ruawhitepaw 11 лет назад

    How do you record "raw airwaves" like this? Wouldn't it create really big files because you need such a high sampling rate to capture a decent sized frequency range?

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    I just put them on BT - please see video info for link.

  • @thetarget
    @thetarget 12 лет назад

    11:23 Can you tell me what is this?

  • @TheReconPrepper
    @TheReconPrepper 8 лет назад

    What's the widest bandwidth you can see at one time. You mention that what u r showing is 1mhz. Can it do wider scans? If so what? Thanks just found your channel and subscribed.

  • @Kevin_KC0SHO
    @Kevin_KC0SHO 9 лет назад

    Where can I get the file for GNU Radio that you used for the analysis with the tabs at the top?
    I love the video, sdr really fun. I'm currrently using sdr-console and HDSDR mostly. I've got a HAM it Up coming and plan to use it with my HackRF.

  • @nxxxxzn
    @nxxxxzn 11 лет назад

    Lovely vid!

  • @GROOVETECHSETS
    @GROOVETECHSETS 12 лет назад

    Can i do this with rtl8187?

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    I might put it in my public Dropbox folder...

  • @yoyis-898
    @yoyis-898 12 лет назад

    does this work with OpenBTS?

  • @christopherdenize2450
    @christopherdenize2450 7 лет назад

    Could the large sweeping signals be coming from a doppler weather radar?

  • @erniehollingsworth1601
    @erniehollingsworth1601 8 лет назад

    What software do you use to make recordings?

  • @Ixquick979
    @Ixquick979 11 лет назад

    Can someone explain to me what is a sweeper?

  • @r00t3d
    @r00t3d 12 лет назад

    hi, please help me, how do you set the bandwith range? can t find any info about that .thx for helping

  • @hotforit
    @hotforit 9 лет назад

    Ran across this video while researching SDR software. I have not had the opportunity to use SDR before and found this very informative. Thank You balint256. KB1ZYI

  • @r00t3d
    @r00t3d 12 лет назад

    yep thxx a lot,
    weird i can t set it more than 1.800 mhz :'(

  • @LeeLee-lt8tp
    @LeeLee-lt8tp 6 лет назад

    I can not find the torrent file,i get a usrp1 recently,would you seed this file again ?
    Many thanks!

  • @aaronmiller112
    @aaronmiller112 11 лет назад

    Very very good video. I am going to get SDR to talk to aliens

  • @jcims
    @jcims 13 лет назад

    Nice presentation! Just getting started into amateur radio and sdr, and i'd see several of these artifacts/anomalies at w4ax.com (especially whistlers). This is the first attempt i've seen at looking at these things from the perspective that SDR provides.

  • @duke222222
    @duke222222 5 лет назад

    Why is he talking over the song?

  • @DrStacked
    @DrStacked 12 лет назад

    You could upload it as a torrent

  • @balint256
    @balint256  12 лет назад

    I believe that's a WiFi chip, so my guess is probably not :(

  • @AndrewMurphy8383
    @AndrewMurphy8383 2 года назад

    Those are normally signal

  • @steveambrose1734
    @steveambrose1734 6 лет назад

    Hi when I run DSD with HDSdR I change my sound card to VAC1 I can decode DMR but I cannot listen to analog signals without changing the sound card setting back to the speakers how can I change this so I can hear all signals please

    • @SignalsEverywhere
      @SignalsEverywhere 6 лет назад

      Unfortunately when you are streaming your audio data into DSD you are only going to get decoded digital audio. The only real option to hear both would be to go into your sound card settings and click the 'listen to this device' option. However you would then hear digital noise at the same time you heard the decoded audio.
      Realistically this isn't very convenient. Most SDR applications tend to require you to stop the client in order to change the audio sources. I'd recommend giving CubicSDR a try as it allows you to change where you send your audio while continuing to monitor your SDR.

  • @fatimahanif1364
    @fatimahanif1364 9 лет назад

    is it possible to use HDRSDR for files other than audio files? i want to read the signals coming from GPR (ground penetration radar) which are obviously not audio waves. how do i input such files in this software?

  • @jcims
    @jcims 13 лет назад

    Also, the TADIL-A/Link 11 stuff reminds me of the signal in Contact
    /watch?v=5vFwTJ44lFw#t=45s

  • @radiosification
    @radiosification 12 лет назад

    haha I thought those lines going diagonally were radar

  • @MAlEssa96
    @MAlEssa96 11 лет назад

    Sounds like Chase from House

  • @SC2Wins
    @SC2Wins 10 лет назад

    Interesting...NOT!!