Lessons Learned Looking Back on 2020
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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WHAT were your shortfalls during the 2020 crisis? WHAT did you learn and what have you corrected for when it happens again? WHAT skills did you develop?
Channels to learn from:
/ @mennonitefarmhouse
/ @theinquisitivefarmwife
/ @thekneadyhomesteader
Great information… it’s amazing just how quickly people forget. I am guilty too! Thanks for the shout out!😊
Except the part where I said the inquisitive farmHOUSE! My gosh.
What amazes me is how many people STILL don't understand that it will happen again, whenever those in control want it to happen.
They still think preparedness is wacko craziness.
Control the food - control the people.
Nature creates problems in every area. Hurricane season started me on this journey. We just had another, and I did not need to do anything extra.
You are my people and spot ON.
I have learned to not live and dwell on the past but use it to prepare for the future
I'll never forget 9-11. That was utter devastation and heartbreak. 2020 , i gotta admit , I went to our local store to grab something. I walked in and the place was empty. I actually had tears in my eye's, not because I was in need but because people have allowed themselves to be in the position of panic buying and their needs couldn't be met. Personally, I dont remember needing anything, we were well stocked. I remember that we did miss our date night, but instead of eating out we went fishing. We weren't prepared for the shock of my husband being laid off, but said okay we got this. He went on to find a better job 4 or 5 months later. We have changed a few things , the big one is we got out of debt. We have increased our pantry , expanded our orchard, chicken's and garden area. We have strived to improve and do more, because sadly we dont believe we can trust the systems in place , it failed before (2020) it will fail again. We have even began growing food for our animal's.
Sadly, we know of people even after 2020 open their fridge you'll find milk , ketchup and mayonnaise, pantry has 2 packs of ramen noodles, and microwave popcorn. Not everyone learns sadly.
Food storage is always a good idea for emergencies and job issues for sure. I got hundreds of emails from this channel of people who did not have basic skills: there was no minute rice but they found rice; and did not know how to cook it. I am with you on not trusting the systems in place; WE have to do our best for ourselves.
When 2020 hit we were prepared 🙌 I sure hope others are prepared for whatever comes. Thank you for helping others be prepared and for giving us reminders!
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I lucked out. We were moving the last week of February so I had let many things get low (less to move). Once we had keys to the new place that last week I placed orders (thanks to an Amazon gift card) for bulk toilet paper, paper towels and cleaning products. And we made a trip to the grocery store to restock the pantry, freezers and fridge. 2 weeks later the lockdowns started and I (temporarily) lost my job. I am still thankful we managed to be prepared and we have kept moving forward ever since.
Ice storm of 2007 taught me to be prepared. The whole town was shut down due to no power. We was only 3 days but my mom and sister was 3 weeks. Lucky i had enough food saved to be able to shelter them.
Hitting on those bad memories. Those empty shelves were truly life-altering.
Those empty shelves changed most peoples for sure. Having food put back for us was really a mental prep as well-we could stay in and have what we needed.
It was life as usual for us in 2020. We were expendable.
'I've been a prepper for most of my life so we didn't need to go to the store often.We were good.We heard rumors a month ahead of lockdowns .So we did one huge shopping and got more toilet paper,tissues,cleaning supplies,more herbs to make herbal remedies for viral infections,bought another big chest freezer,stocked up on jars,lids,seeds,a second dehydrator,fridge.So luckily we were set for lockdown.
Hi back in 2020 we just bought our house . I began planting fruit trees. Every year we would add more fruit ,grapes, and berries
We didn't run out of toilet paper in 2020, but I sure wished that we had a large stock of it before the prices skyrocketed. We had an ice storm that turned to heavy lake-effect snow in November 1996 in SW Michigan that took out our power for 3 days. We live in the woods and we awoke to branches hitting the ground all around us because the trees were not ready for the weight of the ice. Road was blocked off. Neighbors who had lived here much longer were all out with their chainsaws cleaning up. Our chainsaw was electric. LOL. Darn Newbies! We melted snow to flush our toilets. We slept in our winter coats in sleeping bags. We had gallons of Spring water to drink, and I cooked all the food. When the road opened up (Thanks Neighbors) I bought a 2.5 gallon container of water for hand washing, ect., hanging the spigot over the sink. We started preparing at that time. If it all goes down at once, there will be no running to the store.
2020 woke me up and started me Omni my journey of self reliance. I was short on everything
We were pretty well prepared in 2020. Even more prepared now. These videos are so helpful. Never forget
Living here in Western New York and having went through a Snowmagedon event nearly every year, between that and 2020 I have become vigilant in my preps to the inth degree! I have non-electric everything! As far as things go…. Two is one and one is none! My friends and family make fun of me for how prepared I am.
National Preparedness Month IS MY TIME TO SHINE! I glean something from every channel I can to take something away…. Always good to get different ideas and see where I may have holes!! Thanks collaborators!
2020 should have been a real eye opener for people but I bet only a small fraction of people changed their way.
I was/am an essential worker.
I started prepping after a vehicle accident in 2018. I didn't run out of anything but started dehydrating and canning again now that I'm no longer a single empty nester.
As a nurse, I worked double and triple time shifts all throughout the pandemic. I don't honestly remember much of that time. One thing I do remember is our grocery store emptied out. We were fine though because I had what we needed. My kids were home without me a lot...but they ate well. Since then I have learned to garden to grow my own food. I love it!!
I was in disbelief that day, and all the military bases went in high alert by me.
Thank god for my home canned food during 2020.
Definitely good reminders
Great information thanks and I am happy to be part of this collab with you.
I relied on my preps heavily in 2020 - so glad I had them!
Thanks for all the great information
Wonderful reminders. Lock downs, masks, no TP, tissues,,napkins on the shelves..and no eggs. I started canning meats last September and need to get to the local farm to get green beans to can. Love your channel, got my bell turned on for notifications. Mouse out
Lots of great information.
Thank you!
Fortunately we were prepared. Didn’t need to buy anything. So glad I’m a canner, hunter and and a gardener. We are stocked up for a long time.
Thanks to how I was raised, and my husband’s job, we have always been prepared for things. When the rest of the world went crazy in 2020, we had everything we needed.
As an author, I use the phrase ‘what if?’ A lot and have begun quizing myself on various situations then prepare for whatever the answer provides.
Thanks for sharing your tips.
Be safe, Be prepared, Be Blessed
A new kitchen ... thanks for the reminder.
I have to say that 2020 wasn't a happy time for many I didn't really need anything for groceries except my hubs was not a happy camper that he couldn't find any of his favorite soda Pepsi max was out!! I am a cook from scratch gal and had everything I needed so thankful that was the case I always want to be prepared. Thank you for all the reminders that you shared and thanks for being in the collab
2020 was a wake up call for my lack of preparedness. The TP shortage definitely hit us hard, we didn't have trouble getting enough food. But, prepping food and toiletries is a good idea.
We were ready, husband got covid bad so I was quarantined with him. I never got it, but thank goodness we had family able to drop off milk etc. so, while i was stuck.. i canned, made up family meals for the freezer etc. used what we had. I decided to learn something new, we made our own wine! Still making it today, fun hobby and we like it
Wow...since 2020 my preparedness is night & day. I've learned to can thanks to you & Leisa & the rest if the Suttons Daze crew. I dehydrate, garden & stock it to the rafters. We've cut out tons of junk. Thank you for reminding me of the "before times".
i have not forgotten and great info.
We were prepared and I was an essential worker. I learned to keep up with preparedness. I was blessed that my folks had raised us like Victory Gardens were what responsible people did as well as stockpiling essentials for the next Great depression.
I’ve been doing a lot since late January 2021. Is it enough? Nope, and I’ve accomplished a lot. I’m stepping up and back in motion because my women’s intuition is screaming at me. Great video!
2020 was definitely a wake-up call! Thanks for the reminder of the importance of preparedness 😊
Always good to have a friendly reminder. I have been working on my stockpile of essentials already and have just started pressure canning local produce to stock the pantry.
Fantastic video, my friend! It’s so important to remember things and learn from them! Making sure you don’t end up in the same situation should something catastrophic happen. You have to take the lessons learned and apply them to your future. It’s good to have someone like you to remind us to think about these things that are key for our wellbeing and survival. Thank you for bringing this to everyone’s attention. Thank you for always remembering 09/11. I know I nor my family will ever forget. Acquiring skills is so very important especially with the way things are these days. Being self sufficient is survival.
Thanks for the different ideas. Over the last year we have been working on preparing.
I am the vulnerable one here to so in 2020 I believe the only things we had trouble getting was meat and dairy, laundry, soaps. But I had those things in the cupboards and freezers. I pretty much got laughed at before 2020 was called a hoarder, then I laughed as those laughing at me came round practically begging I just said no I need what I have for my family. Toilet paper was a problem but not for me as I had been buying and storing it in my wardrobe however I did help a couple of elderly neighbours 😊 as it was harder for them to get supplies. I also was able to get a government free box of long term (tins etc) and what I didn't use I passed on. The only thing I couldn't do was shop in store or travel as my immune system was weak. Cash could not be used only cards or what I call plastic money, at the shops, I grow and preserve foods too. Thank you for an insightful video that brings back a few memories.
I started prepping around 2018. I've always kept stocked to the brim cupboards but got serious in 2018 and started canning and dehydraating. Everything came to a head in 2021 for us when my husband was dx with stage 4 voicebox cancer. My pantry got us through some really tough times and still is. It's been a long battle that is still going on. I took this summer off just to recoup and the battle is starting again. Our pantry is still stocked because i overstocked so much. We are still eating at 2020 pricing.
I'd love to be able to move off a city lot to a rural area but the funds just aren't there now. So we shelter in place and do the best we can. I'm thankful for all the inspiration I've gotten from you and everyone on Utube. You've always given me a laugh when I've needed it. Thank you mouse!
you are rocking it eating at 2020 prices and Jomama02 you always keep an upbeat let's get it done attitude! I always love your posts and seeing you out here. Many many prayers for your husband and he no doubt knows how blessed he is to be able to love you.
Thanks Thought provoking video
I really didn't miss to much in 2020. I was able to work during the shut down. I had plenty of toilet paper and what we needed because i had stored up, canned and dehydrates foods. I have expanded my food prep and storage since 2020.
You were prepared ^5 !
Love the reminder of what we couldn't get in 2020! I began canning this past January. Also dehydrating. I am much better prepared food wise now. Still a ways to go for power outages though.
Hey Mouse!! Dazer here. I've always packed away extra, so when the pandemic hit, we didn't need anything. The only thing I wasn't prepared for was the panic. We're in our 60's and didn't leave the house for 4 months. Cali was locked down the longest. We sent our son out for things we just wanted like dairy. During that time, I learned how to can from Lisa S. Home canned foods, store bought, TP, freeze-dried, blah blah. If it happens again today, we're fine. Water, too. Slow and steady. Just keep adding. :)
Cali for sure was locked down the longest, you are so right. You are spot on about slow and steady!
I thought I was prepared for everything. But when 2019 hit. I was not prepared for that.
Learn all about stacking to the rafters with everything I have learned from videos like yours and others like suttons daze.
A big thanks to all of your helpful friends.
thanks so much jocyneseeley6806 and thanks for watching.
We were in our house for 3 weeks. I felt like a character in an after apocalypse movie when I finally went to the grocery store but found out that people in my area were livin' life. Then I was called back to work and we went through it fairly normally. I stepped up our preps but so many people here only blame "the other side" and aren't thinking about when it happens again.
Yeah I will never panic shop. Because I'm ready 😊your right that day will never leave my mind horrible
This has been a great collaboration with lots of good information.
Thank you for your memories and suggestions for our future.
I learned so much! I needed more medical gloves, cleaning supplies and TP on hand. We had plenty of food thankfully. We have much more on hand now.
We were fortunate in 2020. Since I live in Louisiana and like you we have hurricanes to deal with. Keeping extra food is a staple. Only thing I can think of I couldn’t find was bread. I have since learned how to bake it. Learned how to can, grow a garden and become more self sufficient. I still have a lot to learn but even at 66 your never to old to learn. Thanks for another great video.
Great you learned to make bread and living in hurricane zones really gave us a leg up on the shortages of 2020!
Some very good points. Especially “toughen up.” I learned to can meat because I can’t afford the store cans and don’t want to depend on a freezer working.
Great information! Filling in holes in my preps.
Hi Mouse Toes! I will never forget September 11th. I know exactly where and what I was doing on that day.
I was able to work during that period and I took toilet paper to my mother a couple times.
They are already getting ready for round two and getting us locked back down. Be prepared for anything.
Have a very blessed night! ❤️
So glad you had your mom covered and yes to them working on round two.
We have changed the way we do quite a few things after that. We weren't as bad as some because we do raise some meats and garden. We increased the amounts we can, freeze, dehydrate, and store. We've increased the non food products that we keep on hand.
Thank you so much for sharing so much knowledge.
I learned that I need to keep more TP on hand.
What I learned since moving up to Volcano had nothing to do with food. I got that covered. Primary thing was to build a storage shed back of property & unpack enough moving boxes that were stored in my garage to make space to park my 2020 Jeep Cherokee. I used to park it outside in my driveway, until it got hit by tweakers, who stole the battery out of it, doing over $5,000 damage to get to the $150 battery while I was asleep. Insurance repair took three months. Anyway, despite my remote location, bad guys cruise the subdivision looking for targets of opportunity. So next time there was a strange car parked out front, I went out there to ask them to leave, nicely. They reacted aggressively, but I was way ahead of them. After they told me how they were gonna kick my a$$ & how easy it would be, & after I was done laughing at them, I put the fear of God in them. Don't go out the door without a self defense tool. Everyday carry means EVERY DAY. If I start heading out door & the nug isn't in my pocket, I stop, turn around to go get it. On my half acre, I'm the government. If someone has a problem with that, they can pick up a weapon & stand opposed. I'm sure the hogs in whatever subdivision their carcass winds up in will be grateful for the meal.
Very informative and a good reminder, thinking back on 2020. Thank you 😊
We didn't have to go to the store for much of anything. We had just found a good sale on toilet paper and had stocked up really well on everything.
Gracious mouse toes, you sure brought back some memories and reminded me to keep some of those emergency items like walkie talkies
Great video thank you for reminding everyone to be prepared
Hello I’m a new friend to your channel from Big Valley Living❤the 9/11 was a terrible tragedy ❤🇺🇸
I remember shopping at Costco and the toilet paper was limited. This was around Oct 2019. I thought that was crazy at the time. So glad I was a prepper back then
During that time I was so grateful both my sons and their families were in jobs that are essential. I was like many people that didn’t have toilet paper!😂. Now I do. Everything else we had.
What I learned was not enough dog food during that time. I had to feed them a lot of rice & beans.
What a great video! Sharpen the skills, stock up, get new skills, remember what you needed and couldn’t get…keep a little cash on hand in small denominations. Remember when stores didn’t have change?!? Great video, Mouse Toes! Thank you for being a part of this collaboration. 🎉❤🎉
Thanms for the reminder video. My Whole family thought i had gone 'round the twist when i was stocking up and preparing. March 2020 was a whole nother story! Mom do ya have? Who would have thought? Well yes i do have that and I Thought of that!!
Figured this would have changed many folks into being prepped, but , Nope! Most are back to their old ways. Oh well.
Thanks for the reminder.
Peace, Always
We were very fortunate during the Covid period. We both had jobs that continued and were pretty stocked up, but it was tough on a lot of our friends. My biggest challenges are water storage and back up power, which we realized was a problem during the 2021 snowpocalypse in Texas!. I’m still trying to figure those things out for longer term sine we live in an apartment. I am so appreciative of this collaboration!
That snowpocalypse was INSANE and they did nothing to protect that grid. It was terrifying watching what was happening in peoples homes.
I won’t forget it either. My little sister lives in NYC and she was almost delirious with a fever. I had to convince her not to go to work because she would risk getting stuck there. Two weeks before I sent her a cell phone with 500 hours on. Her entire office (Infertility Clinic) used it for a couple weeks.
For COVID, I have no immune system so I was privileged to get it twice. The second time I was in the hospital for a day and a half before I knew I was there. It was pretty bad! That was in June 2023.
your 500 hours was a true blessing.
We have a limited budget, but I have two yeast packages and have tried to stock things we use a lot. We also have a freezer now. I will have a lot of canning to do in an emergency.
All great ideas & reminder! Thank you!!
Thank you for watching!
I was an essential worker at the hospital in 2020. I have started canning more and learned how to presure can and have been watching more videos like canuary. Thanks to all the channels for that and for this month's preparedness videos too😊❤
Woot woot WHO is a pressure canner?? cinbob00 is a pressure canner!
Wasn’t prepared with enough canning jars to can up meats in freezer when we lost power. Now, you betcha we are prepared. Thank you for your video and this series. Still learning new things and preparing
I always look at my empty canning jars and think I need to fill them THEN I remember they are sitting there in the event of the death of my chest freezer!
I learned a little more dried milk. We were tote from age 5 how to garden as we go older chores and to always have a weeks worth of food on the shelves. When old enuf to drive change tires ,oil , filters, brakes, replace windshield wippers and pump gas. I'm old, too. Thanks for sharing.
YES to having skills learned from a young age!
We were snowed in for two weeks in 2018 and we managed pretty well. But it taught us a lot and we are better prepared now.
Excellant observation Remember 2020, This is so true. I had known early on that we were going to face alot of issues in 2020. So we stocked up very early because we knew it was comming, But we also stocked more than just food and we didn't advertise what we had to help avoid anyone trying to breaki in the house....Its sad to say because so many familys lost love ones. But it was a eye opener. Mouse Toes you really brought out alot of points and things to think about. Thank you for sharing
I'm a 100 times more prepared now than in 2020. I have learned a ton of skills since then, though. Canning, making my own bread, etc. I still need to get one of those medical preparedness kits. I'll order tomorrow. Thanks for the reminder. Great video.
It is a great feeling having those skills!
I’ve always just lived with a small stockpile of foods. Something goes on sale, I buy a bunch of it. 2020, the one thing that I was low and almost out of, lol, was to. I always buy the bigger packages and usually have an extra but I was caught short. I never ran out but I did purchase several yards of flannel that could be cut and used. I got each person a different color to help with the yuck factor and also got small covered buckets for each bathroom.
Great video. I remember I couldn’t find canning lids for months. Be sure to prepare.
Love your logical mind and common sense. Fortunately we were mostly prepared back in 2020 but I still learned so much. The changes I’ve made since then involve switchover to manual tools instead of powered. I’m in Texas and we never used to have power outages. Never. Now they are quite frequent. So while I still love my KitchenAids and Cuisinarts and Bosch tools, when the fuels run out for generators or I can’t afford it, those implements will just be expensive doorstops. Heartfelt thank you for the skills you teach.
Thank you so much joylouise5417 and way to go on those skills.
We live very rule and can be stuck where we’re at for up to three months at a time we had just been stuck in 2020 but had what we needed. Only thing we ran short on believe it or not toilet paper. Thank you for the good ideals, and all the tips and being part of this collaboration, enjoy your videos.
Thank you for watching paulamcnatt6630 and way to go on having the things you needed!
Mouse Toes, wow!! Always remember! This was a great video , tips, and what didn't we have, couldn't find etc!! Thank you so much!
Great discussion and yes we remember! I learned to make sourdough during that time and no need for yeast! Skills and preparation bring peace of mind and are so important! Great reminder for why we do what we do! Thank you!! 😊🙌❤️
2020 believe it or not, I was not able to find distilled water for my oxygen concentrator. Without enough air, nothing else mattered. Solution, I bought a distiller and have not worried about it since. Since then, I have found if I store plastic bottles from the grocery, it smells so bad it makes me sick. Looks like I will be distilling my own from now on. Thanks for the video.
Wise to get a distiller and thanks for the tip on if storing in plastic bottles it will smell bad.
So smart! Yes I need to do a review. I have done stuff to improve, but there always seems to be more. Thanks 👍
I make our own bread so when 2020 happened, yeast was hard to find, I got laid off, my husband wasn't working either. I had a pantry full of food as well as sourdough in the fridge, so I made sourdough bread. We ate good. We were a little short on allergy tablets and other meds but we did finally get stocked up. I learned to pressure can in April 2020 and that saved us later that year.The worst for us was 2021 here in Texas. We were near the Austin area and without power or water for a week. We got a generator from our son-in-law and I filled every empty jug with water before the pipes went dry. One hella time! Heated water and used a 5 gallon bucket of water and a camp shower, lots of lamps, flashlights, solar lights, etc. My favorite was the Mr. Buddy. I got this feeling I needed one and got it in 2020 at the end of Winter, whew!
I too love Mr. Buddy. And our food storage comes in handy for so many events, 2020, loss of job until new one found.
@@MouseToes Yes, I got rehired at my same old company In late 2021, but in a different administration. Now working partly as I was but in charge of a small area. So grateful!
hello gtsy i remember all of it
it was just awful.
Very good information and good common sense.
thank you for watching.
In 2020 i lived alone with several animals. I was well prepared, I'm considered a hoarder i guess. But my animals were well fed, and so was I. Cereal with instant coffee instead of milk got old fast, but thankfully I discovered thrive instant milk😅. Thank you for sharing the great advice mousetoes. 😊
During the "lock down" my home was well prepared. My husband was on the road as a truck driver and it was harder on him. I keep his truck well stocked so food wasn't a huge problem. But his hygiene was a problem because showers were closed and most restrooms and restaurants were closed.
He now has products that he can stay clean.
Without our truckers we would have had nothing in our stores. SO glad you had him stocked up. The fact that they struggled for somewhere to park, shower and eat was just awful. God bless your husband for being out there in that mess bringing in the goods.
@@MouseToes thank you. I'm proud of him all the time being the man he is. Many drivers left trucks abandoned but the "old truckers" kept going.
I have a few of those new total clear face shields as an RN we were required to wear those. A few accidentally came home with me.😊
You gave us a lot to think about my biggest issue from 2020 was being able to get my husband’s medication. I now try to get them refilled as quickly as possible so he doesn’t run out
that was terrifying people NOT being able to get their medicine OR a prescription from their Doctor. Had one friend missed 5 days of heart med and when he got an RX; the 3 pharmacies were "out of it".
@@webbadawn Try to build an emergency supply. Some meds are easier than others, but many can be done. I've done it with our meds. I have a year+ supply now.
Check each med on GOOD-RX to find the out of pocket cost of each. It can vary greatly from pharmacy to pharmacy, and see which ones are near you. Talk to your prescribing doctors. You can leave big politics out of the discussion, but explain that you want to have an emergency supply. Hurricanes, blizzards, wild fires- whatever is the risk in your area... plus just supply chain issues. Tell the doctor you don't want to be yet another person trying to reach them for an emergency refill while the doctor is trying to care for their own family 's needs. THAT really got our doctor's attention. Ask for a WRITTEN script so you can fill it separately from insurance. Ask for it to be for a 90 day supply, with a refill. Non controlled meds to can often refill early when paying out of pocket. Controlled meds will still be subject to refill limits, but you can slowly build them, if they are prn. If you have a good relationship. with your doctor, ask for 90 scripts on the pen to build the emergency supply.
Brand name only and specialty meds can still be horribly expensive with the GOOD -RX, but many become doable. Look up online if the manufacturer has an assistance program, even a one time coupon that would give you that much buffer.
Thank you Mouse Toes, I wasn't prepared in 2020 but I am now. We had food and water but knowing that we couldn't leave to get more was scary and I don't want to face that stress again. I still have things to do but my to-do-list is getting smaller (LOL) yea right. There is always more to do. Again Thanks, Be Safe.
thank you kckat96 and just slowly working on a to do list works!
I remember. 2 weeks ago Walmart had absolutely no eggs. I haven’t been back since to see restock and other shortages. I’m in southern Illinois.
It is so maddening, we still see shortages in our grocery stores.
Unfortunately I do remember those empty shelves.
it was insane and like BAM from the jump we learned there is NO food stored in warehouses. A hungry nation can NOT fight.
Love your kit. I have a big red duffle bag in my car because I have come across car accidents many times and I live in tornado area. In my bag I also carry a wrist bp monitor and a mask for cpr. (Only use cpr if trained) I have a sharply pen that I can use to write on arms of a person the vitals or information I can get from the person to help emergency rescue (I learned that from grey anatomy). I also have piddle pads to put under open wounds to help keep clean.
I do suggest taking a first aid course even for your own home.
Thank you for sharing I love all our ideas
9/11 got me paying attention but I was in my 20s and still invincible. 2020 got my butt in buckle down gear because by then I had my young son. Living by the skin of my teeth alone was one thing but I swore then that I would do whatever I could so he didn't have to. We came out ok and are readier now for whatever comes next
Oh I miss the invinsible years and way to go on getting readier!
The only thing we really had trouble with was canning jar lids. We have been prepping all of our lives.
That was so crazy and why I am so thankful for ForJar lids coming out with a great supply at that time and still to this day.