YESSSSS!!! the T20 was my first premium back 2017, and i grinded almost the entire american tree with him, it was perfect, but i dont know when they fucked up the mobility of him. im so glad they fixed this!
I remember what a monster this thing was back in the day at 4.7. I frequently had matches with +10 kills and it was just really fast for the amount of armour it had. I kind of stopped playing it and moved onto other vehicles and forgot about it. it's nice to hear that other people had the same experience with the T20 back then.
I love this thing, even if it’s 6.0. I usually pair it with the M18, M36, and used to do it with the M41. For planes I would use the AD-4 and the F4U-4B. I would just create the speed lineup, the only thing slow in those lineups was the AD-4
And the normal Pershing to go back to 6.3 It really made me mad when they made it 6.7 it was perfect at it original br now it can face agms and Vietnam era tanks
I unlocked the T25 recently expecting a healthy upgrade from the ubiquitous M4s and kind of an early Pershing only to discover I deeply hate it and it's absolute dogshit and I'm gonna fly past 6.3 using my lovely 5.7 lineup (supported by the premium Black Cat) The T25 is a shitty medium with mobility worse than most heavies in the whole game... WTF ? And yeah, no STABs ??? WHY ???
I watch your movies to get techniques to my own gameplay. And I find your voice soothing, so I usually see them as relaxation before i sleep. I suffer from insomnia, but you help. Thank you, oddbawz.
I have a possible Idea for a tech tree version of the T20, the T20E3. Which has the same 76mm gun, but the HVSS suspension was changed to now have a torsion bar design. Or the T23, which had an electric transmission supplied by GE and the tracks & VVS suspension from a standard M4 Sherman.
There was also a T23E4 that used HVSS. Either the T23E3 or the T23E4 would be great in the game, and I believe that they have both been suggested and hope they are being considered.
In the case of the T20, Gaijin had mistankenly modeled it with the hull armor of the T23, which was thicker at 76.2 mm on the UFP (it's the same as the T25), instead of the correct 63.5 mm it has now. So no, it doesn't "magically have armor missing", in fact it was the very opposite, it "magically had increased armor".
They have missing armour even tho gaijin claims this to be a realistic war sim but they did that for balancing as if the was one premium tank that was insanely op noone would play any other nation and it wouldn't be remotely fair for free to play players
I dont play this game (learned my lesson in WOT :( !!!!!) but it sounds and looks like youre having a blast. Really appreciate the commentary and words you chose at the right moment. Thanks again for the vids and effort you put into them.
wot sucks imo especially the aim feature having to wait till that circle closes to get an accurate shot at what ur aiming at in WT you control the aiming to if u peek around cover u dont have to wait u just fire if ur lined up correctly....its what i hate most about WOT is not controling the aim urself and with that being said there is really no learning curve for tanks in WOT in regards to aiming so its all dependent on how fast that dumb circle closes
@@notsoseriouslen6374 no learning curve? That's just wrong. You had to aim for weak spots just as much as in WT. It plays very differently, but has a competetive aspect to it that I loved for 10 years.
how can you survive an ammo rack hit does more damage then other shots but not much more if you were to just hit the turret...i believe thats why WOT is a failing franchise is because of the aim feature and just damage points if i hit a sherman with a 152mm HE shell that should desimate the tank in one shot...if u actually had control of your aim instead of the game and where u hit mattered more it be a much better game...ill keep saying it the game does the aiming for you@@MrMarci878
Nice seeing a game from you in the recommended! Also nice that it was of this tank, the T20 you recommended and immediately after I bought it they put it to 6.0 and I am not sure if they had nerfed the speed. I barely have played it though. There are quite a few around this BR I still haven't played much, and you remind me why. You make it look so fun and easy, then I download game and get dogpiled for however long I can stand it. I wonder if they improved the economy any? So at least if I come back I wont run myself out of credits as I knock the rust off. Never did get all that good though, my eyes are just not that strong anymore. Happy thanksgiving, albeit you don't celebrate it.
Will need to revisit this old favorite - thanks for the tip my friend. Despite hardy having played it the last years it's still my 4th most played tank at 760 matches.
Jesus christ, you were operating like a robot with that thing when you started the "second" game. Just surgically taking every tank out of that four-unit push in less than 50 seconds. Especially without any damage taken.
12:26 yeah apparently they either made .50cals a lot less damaging to tracks or tracks a lot less susceptible to damage from low calibre weapons, can't remember exactly what though
Man if I knew about this sooner I would’ve gotten it I basically grinned the American-tech tree up to 8.0 with no premium account or premium mainly vehicles mainly becuz I was so new to the game but just didn’t study but now I might pick this up for a lineup piece
Justice for M26 Pershing move it back to 6.3 NOW Ps it was my favorite tank and now it’s the same br as the t26e5 and the king tiger it was perfectly fine a 6.3
Nuke on the first run! Hell yeah Odd! VIdeos are alwayz entertaining with you behind the mic brother, keep up the great work! Gope to fly out and see you at a car meet soon!
Keep on showing them whos boss! You are such an incredible player. I only really play Air RB or World of Warships personally, but everytime i watch your videos, it makes me want to play Ground RB lol. It never ends well, but you make it look easy lmao
Overall my favorite vehicle. This thing is devastating in the right hands. As someone who preaches the 76mm M1's greatness, I love this thing to death. Along with the Blackcat M18 and the F4U-4B and AD-4, this thing makes a helluva lineup. Hope it goes back down to 5.7 though.
That first game, right at the end, the 109 hit the ground in a column of fire. I had the same thing happen on Normandy today, and he made a sonic boom when he hit. Any idea what’s going on there?
Lmfao imagine kicking ass so much and then jack just goes hold my beer and wipes all out lol. I love the t20 was my first premium and I had gotten 500 kills with it and then they needed it and I never played much I stopped at 1500hr
The lack of situational awareness from the tigers and panthers in the first game was crazy. Your location should have been constantly pinged on the map until you had been dealt with.
I bought the t20 a week ago thinking I would regret the purchase, but to my surprsie it is a monster I usually drop 6 to 8 kill games with it. With my highest kill game being 15 to me it is a pretty enjoyable vehicle.
4.7? What in the absolute fuck were they thinking at the time? Then again the goddamn Jumbo used to be 4.7, m18 as well (it deserved the uptier to 5.7, that go kart with a 76 is a menace)
magnifique. Oddbawz, I'd love to see you run the Russian T-10M. I think its one of the best heavies in the game, despite having to fight Type 16s and other 21st century vehicles at an uptier to 9.3.
hey bawz, can you make a new video on the t54 1949? ive been struggling with it badly with it being 8.0 , i feel like its absolutely terrible, bad turrent rotation,wobbly gun and the armor feels useless against atgms and darts and laser rangefinders
yeah I have the 47 one and I constantly get full uptiers to atgms, heatfs and apfsds. it's just that br bracket has the worst compression. it's either ww2 or darts and lasers
Finally they fixed the T20 I loved this tank and i got it when it was at 4.7 OP as hell! Still love this tank im taking her out again now they fixed it!
This is a very good tank, One of my favourites on the US tech tree, But the shells have changed, they no longer have the impact they used to, you can no longer one shot BMPs, single shot side shots on Panthers are a thing of the past, as you said, the frontal armour is now sub-par. It does not seem to be as fast as it used to be.
Hey Oddo! I don't play much Russia myself, but I feel like it's been a while since you dabbled - Could you give the IS-4M a go? Can't recall ever seing a video on it by anyone.
I swear that first game you must have been on the American server because 95% of the time that's all US teams do at that BR, rush straight at German tanks with better guns and better armor and then wonder why they lose.
Spookston: kills two German mains, Vince’s by twelve stukas and abandoned by teammates Odd: becomes an absolute menace to Germans on a long range map. Not even a scratch. 😂😂
Wait, for the brs, are they rounded? Like 4.0 4.333 4.666 5.0 get rounded to 4.0 4.3 4.7 5.0. Because that would make a lot of sense. I don’t know how i never noticed this before.
playing this with the m18 gmc, blackcat and f2g is making me a shit ton of money, easy br with the recent change imo and t20 is very capable now with his newly ish found speed
If it currently has 63mm of frontal armor after loosing 20mm then Gaigan actually did a change that made sense, no offence, I do agree that they are in the habbit of makeing changes that are silly or unrealistic and all that, but I did a quik google for the armor thickness on the American T-20 and found that the current value used in War Thunder is ""Supposedly" 1mm more than it actually had IRL thus changing it from 83 to 63 would make the numerical values more accurate to the real life counterpart.
With the stab and not the Sherman slow speed stab it beats any other 6.0 vehcile in first shot capability. Couple that with a great reverse and buff to mobility and its BR is likely too low.
Damn, I thought it was the tog 2 from the thumbnail, I still don't know why its 5.3 if it can be pened from the front (even the turret) by basically any tank at that br.
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Can you pls play the sd.kfz 140/1 please no one on yt plays it :(
Possible air RB video on the American captured Ki-61 or Bf-109?
This link just takes me to the wt store but i cannot find the decal.. what am i doing wrong?
@@thepuppetarmory6262you have to buy something within one hour after clicking the link and it will be automatically added
@@thepuppetarmory6262 just buy something, decal comes free with it. also you get 3% off so theres another incentive
YESSSSS!!! the T20 was my first premium back 2017, and i grinded almost the entire american tree with him, it was perfect, but i dont know when they fucked up the mobility of him. im so glad they fixed this!
Talking about it like its your uncle💀
Please play the f 111 a aardvark
@@sneeuwkabouter9319that his boi
wait american tanks are called boys? i thought the us army referred to them as women
@@triplus198 actually we Americans call them sturdy bitches
I remember what a monster this thing was back in the day at 4.7. I frequently had matches with +10 kills and it was just really fast for the amount of armour it had. I kind of stopped playing it and moved onto other vehicles and forgot about it. it's nice to hear that other people had the same experience with the T20 back then.
Fancy seeing you here
@@Squishy_yhsiuqS I have no clue who you are x3 (edit: I actually remember you now, sorry)
@@Drakey_Fenix I see you around on YT sometimes we used to chat on Telegram/Discord years ago lol
I love this thing, even if it’s 6.0. I usually pair it with the M18, M36, and used to do it with the M41. For planes I would use the AD-4 and the F4U-4B. I would just create the speed lineup, the only thing slow in those lineups was the AD-4
lol
Now we need T25's stabiliser back.
It was my favourite tank of all time
And the normal Pershing to go back to 6.3
It really made me mad when they made it 6.7 it was perfect at it original br now it can face agms and Vietnam era tanks
Either bring back the stabilizer, or make it 5.7 since now it's just an armored slow m36
Do you not see the "STAB" highlight in the bottom left corner?
@@Korean_Crayon He's talking about T25 which is in regular tech tree
I unlocked the T25 recently expecting a healthy upgrade from the ubiquitous M4s and kind of an early Pershing only to discover I deeply hate it and it's absolute dogshit and I'm gonna fly past 6.3 using my lovely 5.7 lineup (supported by the premium Black Cat)
The T25 is a shitty medium with mobility worse than most heavies in the whole game... WTF ? And yeah, no STABs ??? WHY ???
14:19 Right side of the screen
Did Gaijin add orbital strikes?? 😂
It's a wierd glitch thar been In the game since 2019
14:20 Was that an orbital strike?
My thoughts exactly, I came to the comments to see if anyone else noticed that!
Game suddenly turned into Strangereal Thunder
Holy s*** it is! XD
I watch your movies to get techniques to my own gameplay. And I find your voice soothing, so I usually see them as relaxation before i sleep. I suffer from insomnia, but you help. Thank you, oddbawz.
Didn't know these were movies but I'm not surprised as he basically gets nukes every game like a movie
11:22
the tiger II turret tweaking on the ground because he knew what was about to happen when Odd respawns
14:27 who the hell called in the orbital strike? 🤣🤣
I have a possible Idea for a tech tree version of the T20, the T20E3. Which has the same 76mm gun, but the HVSS suspension was changed to now have a torsion bar design.
Or the T23, which had an electric transmission supplied by GE and the tracks & VVS suspension from a standard M4 Sherman.
There was also a T23E4 that used HVSS. Either the T23E3 or the T23E4 would be great in the game, and I believe that they have both been suggested and hope they are being considered.
Gaijin would put that at 6.3
@@BloodyCrow__7.0
14:20 someone was playing helldivers
i just got the m4a1 76 and i feel so powerful now. Looking forward to slinging slinging 76 shells all over the battlefield. Great Video Odd!
Its incredible how good he is at this game.
he has something like 10,000 hours in the game i think, its insane
This tank feels so natural to play too. I'm not as skilled as Odd, but this thing just felt good to play before they broke it
If you sink thousands of hours into anything you're passionate about, you'll get very good at it.
They should make it 5.7 so it can have a fighting chance
5.5 and give it back it's frontal armour and M82 shells.
@@bradfordbroswtent.8450 ah yes, the elusive 5.5 br
@@bradfordbroswtent.8450 5.5 is not a BR
it already does tho
@@Smokey348 not really, it’s literally a t-34-85 with less pen and a bit smaller
Why is it always USA vehicles that magically have armor missing or weaker than publicly known stats
In the case of the T20, Gaijin had mistankenly modeled it with the hull armor of the T23, which was thicker at 76.2 mm on the UFP (it's the same as the T25), instead of the correct 63.5 mm it has now.
So no, it doesn't "magically have armor missing", in fact it was the very opposite, it "magically had increased armor".
They have missing armour even tho gaijin claims this to be a realistic war sim but they did that for balancing as if the was one premium tank that was insanely op noone would play any other nation and it wouldn't be remotely fair for free to play players
@@Sten05 it wasn't even a balancing question for the T20. It had 76.2 mm on the UFP and that was simply wrong, 63.5 mm is correct.
Stats show that gaijin loves Germany and Russia(in that order) over the USA lol.
4:20 God bless that man hearing a rifle bullet bounce off his tank and crying out WE'VE BEEN HIT
I dont play this game (learned my lesson in WOT :( !!!!!) but it sounds and looks like youre having a blast. Really appreciate the commentary and words you chose at the right moment. Thanks again for the vids and effort you put into them.
WOT is a different experience than WT, you should probably give WT a try if you haven't played it yet lol.
The experience between WOT and WT is very different. Give it a try
wot sucks imo especially the aim feature having to wait till that circle closes to get an accurate shot at what ur aiming at in WT you control the aiming to if u peek around cover u dont have to wait u just fire if ur lined up correctly....its what i hate most about WOT is not controling the aim urself and with that being said there is really no learning curve for tanks in WOT in regards to aiming so its all dependent on how fast that dumb circle closes
@@notsoseriouslen6374 no learning curve? That's just wrong. You had to aim for weak spots just as much as in WT.
It plays very differently, but has a competetive aspect to it that I loved for 10 years.
how can you survive an ammo rack hit does more damage then other shots but not much more if you were to just hit the turret...i believe thats why WOT is a failing franchise is because of the aim feature and just damage points if i hit a sherman with a 152mm HE shell that should desimate the tank in one shot...if u actually had control of your aim instead of the game and where u hit mattered more it be a much better game...ill keep saying it the game does the aiming for you@@MrMarci878
Hey Bawz. The German M41 did in fact move up as well and is actually 6.7
Good place for it. It's APDS is one of the more reliable ones and having HEAT-FS is a nice bonus
Thank you for making these videos, I really like watching them.
They just gave it APCR, moved it to 6.3 and wished it luck.
Nice seeing a game from you in the recommended! Also nice that it was of this tank, the T20 you recommended and immediately after I bought it they put it to 6.0 and I am not sure if they had nerfed the speed. I barely have played it though. There are quite a few around this BR I still haven't played much, and you remind me why. You make it look so fun and easy, then I download game and get dogpiled for however long I can stand it. I wonder if they improved the economy any? So at least if I come back I wont run myself out of credits as I knock the rust off. Never did get all that good though, my eyes are just not that strong anymore.
Happy thanksgiving, albeit you don't celebrate it.
3:02 "and we know the range to the cap because its literally written on the cap"
my brain did not realize that sooner
German Bulldog is 6.7 now saj. Great vid love this thing!!
Will need to revisit this old favorite - thanks for the tip my friend. Despite hardy having played it the last years it's still my 4th most played tank at 760 matches.
I knew it was too slow! and i defenily felt the difference! bought this tank like 3 years ago.
Jesus christ, you were operating like a robot with that thing when you started the "second" game. Just surgically taking every tank out of that four-unit push in less than 50 seconds. Especially without any damage taken.
Gajin good job, now give it's big brother some love... The T25 really needs it too
LOVE the T20 - thank you for bringing it out again! Great gameplay.
I recently bought this tank and i love it😎😎 Great video 👍👍
You're doing a million dollar job. Keep it up. This is the way
12:26 yeah apparently they either made .50cals a lot less damaging to tracks or tracks a lot less susceptible to damage from low calibre weapons, can't remember exactly what though
they nerfed 50 cal and 20mm quite a while ago, 5 cal now does nothing while 20mm can't damage barrels but still 1 burst tracks
Always love your content Bawz. Keep up the great work
Always a great day when I hear OddBawZ says "In this video ..." in a new video! : D
Man if I knew about this sooner I would’ve gotten it I basically grinned the American-tech tree up to 8.0 with no premium account or premium mainly vehicles mainly becuz I was so new to the game but just didn’t study but now I might pick this up for a lineup piece
Bro you are a gremlin with this tank
Justice for M26 Pershing move it back to 6.3 NOW
Ps it was my favorite tank and now it’s the same br as the t26e5 and the king tiger it was perfectly fine a 6.3
Wee like applied for a good time. Infectious fun as usual!
11:42 "my main goal is to not blow up."
OddBawZ-
Nuke on the first run! Hell yeah Odd! VIdeos are alwayz entertaining with you behind the mic brother, keep up the great work! Gope to fly out and see you at a car meet soon!
Good to see you back odd .
That TBD-1 was extremely brave
That first game looks so frustrating, spending the majority of the game keeping the point clear but the rest of the team won't push. It's infuriating
Been waiting for this! Good to have you back Bawz.
100% bought this tank and the Super Hell cat from the first vids you did on them ❤ I love them so much
Nice action in the Speed Burger Special! 😺
The t20 and Chi Nu ll where my first premiums, so glad i got them
This is the first time I've ever heard about the T20. Looks like a crossover between a T34 and a Panther
Keep on showing them whos boss! You are such an incredible player. I only really play Air RB or World of Warships personally, but everytime i watch your videos, it makes me want to play Ground RB lol. It never ends well, but you make it look easy lmao
Overall my favorite vehicle. This thing is devastating in the right hands. As someone who preaches the 76mm M1's greatness, I love this thing to death. Along with the Blackcat M18 and the F4U-4B and AD-4, this thing makes a helluva lineup. Hope it goes back down to 5.7 though.
That first game was a great example of youtuber enemies vs my enemies lol
3:30 Did the commander really say F**K? That would be crazy detail haha
Poor T25 lost his vertical stab and stil 6.3 T_T
Classic retardation by gaijin
Yeah, it is worse than a panther g, and is a higher br
@airsoftpopcorn it's still premium so even if it's bad it's still gonna grind faster than thw panther
@@Sten05 no it isn’t, the t20 is premium, the t25 is a tech tree tank
That first game, right at the end, the 109 hit the ground in a column of fire. I had the same thing happen on Normandy today, and he made a sonic boom when he hit. Any idea what’s going on there?
Glad you're back Bawz.
It look's like the Matilda, if Matilda was actually better equipped for speed and maneuvering and better cannon
Watching you play a well rounded tank that you're very familiar with is actually awe inspiring.
Well looking how it's formed and... It kinda gives off Pershing feelings.... Mini Pershing perhaps? Like we have a Mini Tiger
Lmfao imagine kicking ass so much and then jack just goes hold my beer and wipes all out lol. I love the t20 was my first premium and I had gotten 500 kills with it and then they needed it and I never played much I stopped at 1500hr
6.3 here it comes
Love your stuff oddbawz ❤❤
2 High Quality games Odd! Nice one chief
The lack of situational awareness from the tigers and panthers in the first game was crazy. Your location should have been constantly pinged on the map until you had been dealt with.
Can you still get this thing? The Chafee is my favorite tank so a stabilized one sounds great to me
Remember the old days with this tank it was great.
Thx for the great content it has rly helped my mood today and I wish u and ur family the best Christmas ever
😂😂😂😂😂 Bro I watched yesterday T20 old video ,it was so supreme but this perfection.İt is prof every tank in skillful hand just making perfection
I bought the t20 a week ago thinking I would regret the purchase, but to my surprsie it is a monster I usually drop 6 to 8 kill games with it. With my highest kill game being 15 to me it is a pretty enjoyable vehicle.
Did anyone else get trolled by the 156km forward and 58km reverse speeds in the thumbnail? 😂 Well done played Odd! 🎉
I got a 75% coupon for this and was so surprised by how good it feels to play
Another great video, thanks BawZ
4.7?
What in the absolute fuck were they thinking at the time?
Then again the goddamn Jumbo used to be 4.7, m18 as well (it deserved the uptier to 5.7, that go kart with a 76 is a menace)
magnifique.
Oddbawz, I'd love to see you run the Russian T-10M. I think its one of the best heavies in the game, despite having to fight Type 16s and other 21st century vehicles at an uptier to 9.3.
The E:100 is better in my opinion
hey odd, if you see this, do you know if phly is good?
hey bawz, can you make a new video on the t54 1949? ive been struggling with it badly with it being 8.0 , i feel like its absolutely terrible, bad turrent rotation,wobbly gun and the armor feels useless against atgms and darts and laser rangefinders
yeah I have the 47 one and I constantly get full uptiers to atgms, heatfs and apfsds. it's just that br bracket has the worst compression. it's either ww2 or darts and lasers
Finally they fixed the T20 I loved this tank and i got it when it was at 4.7 OP as hell! Still love this tank im taking her out again now they fixed it!
I just can’t express how happy I am when I see that bawz posted a new vid and I have something to watch before I go to sleep
This is a very good tank, One of my favourites on the US tech tree, But the shells have changed, they no longer have the impact they used to, you can no longer one shot BMPs, single shot side shots on Panthers are a thing of the past, as you said, the frontal armour is now sub-par. It does not seem to be as fast as it used to be.
I dont have the T20 but I dont really have a problem one shotting Panthers from the side with the US 76mm gun.
What the hell happened to that Bf-109 right before you dropped the nuke?
Hey liked the vid and maybe this is an issue on my end but there’s like an audio delay in the first part of the game
Hey Oddo! I don't play much Russia myself, but I feel like it's been a while since you dabbled - Could you give the IS-4M a go? Can't recall ever seing a video on it by anyone.
Anyone else notice Gaijin updating several Pz III chassis transmission model?
I swear that first game you must have been on the American server because 95% of the time that's all US teams do at that BR, rush straight at German tanks with better guns and better armor and then wonder why they lose.
Still can t believe i played agains you😊
Spookston: kills two German mains, Vince’s by twelve stukas and abandoned by teammates
Odd: becomes an absolute menace to Germans on a long range map. Not even a scratch. 😂😂
Love the T20. Gonna take it out today
FINALLY, T20 was my first High costing tank, and with this new upgrade, I’ll get a nuke without using the Jumbo
Wait, for the brs, are they rounded? Like 4.0 4.333 4.666 5.0 get rounded to 4.0 4.3 4.7 5.0. Because that would make a lot of sense. I don’t know how i never noticed this before.
playing this with the m18 gmc, blackcat and f2g is making me a shit ton of money, easy br with the recent change imo and t20 is very capable now with his newly ish found speed
Hey Odd, what's the little U.S theme you use on your videos with American vehicles? I'm just curious, thanks.
im just waiting for tha day another youtuber unknowingly CAS's Spookston
If it currently has 63mm of frontal armor after loosing 20mm then Gaigan actually did a change that made sense, no offence, I do agree that they are in the habbit of makeing changes that are silly or unrealistic and all that, but I did a quik google for the armor thickness on the American T-20 and found that the current value used in War Thunder is ""Supposedly" 1mm more than it actually had IRL thus changing it from 83 to 63 would make the numerical values more accurate to the real life counterpart.
It is twice as fast now. Pretty neat!
Just purchased the T20, got 50% discount drop which was nice, but it's now been moved to 6.3 :(
With the stab and not the Sherman slow speed stab it beats any other 6.0 vehcile in first shot capability. Couple that with a great reverse and buff to mobility and its BR is likely too low.
Damn, I thought it was the tog 2 from the thumbnail, I still don't know why its 5.3 if it can be pened from the front (even the turret) by basically any tank at that br.
God, it is sad that the m26 is useless now. It is comparable to panther tanks, and yet it is .7 higher than them
if we all work hard together we can make gaijin bring this thing up to 6.7
I really miss the stabilized T25 too 😢
I love the t20 myself. its always been a decent premium for me and I suck.