History with Hilbert - How did Amsterdam become the Jerusalem of the West?
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- In this reaction, I watch "How did Amsterdam become the Jerusalem of the West? | History of Jewish Amsterdam (1500-2024)" by @historywithhilbert146
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27:14 OK, so, I'm not an expert in Old Portuguese, but I am a native Portuguese speaker and I have some 5 years of intensive experience of reading Portuguese records from the 17th century onwards (and a few from late 16 century, though really just a few), besides what we all learn in school from old Portuguese authors from the 15th-16th centuries (Fernão Lopes, Gil Vicente, Luís de Camões - today is his day, by the way -, Garcia de Resende, Pêro Vaz de Caminha, etc.).
And what I can say from the little I have seen from Dutch records from the Portuguese Jewish community (and, granted, it's really just a tiny bit) is that there are really no mentionable differences between the language in both sets of records - except, of course, the fact that the Jewish records have a lot of Hebrew-derived words while the Portuguese records (usually vital records from Catholic parishes) have a profusion of Christian (and specifically Catholic) jargon, as one would expect given the difference religious settings that originated those records.
There is the trend to do knee-jerk reaction videos, but I enjoyed the thought out response you were able to give by deciding to do a reaction video on something you had already seen. It allowed you to create a better video and go more in depth into an interesting topic.
What a history with all types of difficulties and then spreading across the world, I enjoyed learning about it. As a consequence of my research on the Canary Islands, there were Jews that settled there from both Portugal and Spain. They mixed into the population, and I've been able to connect some when mentioned in their grand-children's records, but difficult to acquire.
I really enjoyed this history reaction and I definitely would watch more of this kind of videos.
Me too!
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 enjoyed that !!! (as for your "talking too much" : you're not, pls talk away : all valid reactions and corrections !)
Love this reaction video! You should do more like this!!
Very excited for this video, my boyfriend allegedly descends from this community. I got quite far in his family tree and did indeed find Jewish ancestors in Amsterdam in the 17th century! But I'm utterly unaware of the history and can't put my findings in context yet.
Thank you for sharing the book "The Hebrew Portuguese Nations In Antwerp And London At The Time Of Charles V And Henry VIII: New Documents And Interpretations", a book I didn't know I was looking for! Just ordered it from AbeBooks!
12:25 Very good record: good calligraphy, clean and clear writing, very easy to read.
I wish even half of our parish records were this good...
hi ! still need to thank you very belatedly for a personal reply you gave me (pre-covid I believe so a while back), where you also referred to the excellent records in Amsterdam. Thnx.👌🏻👍🏻
Hope everyone is having a great day! I will have to watch the playback
It was a very good vlog.
19:31 The leaders of the community don't specify what Espinosa said that was so bad because just mentioning it would be sinful by itself.
The Portuguese original text, by the way, is delicious (and, again, extremely easy to read).
All of the entries in the Escamoth books are pretty vague, focusing mostly on the decision by the board. Here is a link to look for anyone who wants to look at the entire first Escamoth book - archief.amsterdam/inventarissen/scans/334/5.1.1.1.1/start/0/limit/10/highlight/1
@@ProfessionalGenealogistReacts Again, I think in all those cases they were avoiding the spread of heretic ideas by not mentioning them in much detail.
Definitely not the case because we are talking about all sorts of decisions in these books, including mundane ones. Herems are actually quite rare and never as harsh as the one on Baruch Spinoza. It is just how they wrote these decision books, they did not include any sort of information on discussions or which Ma'amed members were for or against each decision, they were just noting what final decision was being made.
29:30 In Portuguese, "dotar" is a verb, not a noun. It may mean different, but related things. It may be more generic, meaning "to endow" or "to grant ways and means" (like when you create an "Endowment for the Arts" or something like that, or when the US declaration of independence says that "all men [...] are endowed by their Creator [...]"), but it may also have a more restrict meaning: "to grant a dowry".
But there are cases in Portuguese where a verb becomes also a noun ("jantar" is both "to dine" and "dinner", "comer" is both "to eat" and "food").
P.S. I made a quick search and indeed the word "Dotar" was originally used as a verb even in the name of that Jewish charity, but then it started being used as a short form of its name. The full official name of the charity was "Santa Companhia de Dotar Órphãs e Donzelas Pobres", or "Holly Company to Endow Orphan and Poor Maids". (BTW, in this case, the only difference to modern Portuguese is the use of "ph".)
Dowry = Dote
@@Lusitani74 I know, that's why I mentioned the fact that, strangely, they used the verb ("dotar") and not the noun ("dote").
Excellent video! I have some sephardic ancestry from the colonial period as well. Do Dutch people carry Jewish ancestry because of this time?
There wasn't a large enough mixing of the Jewish community with the general Dutch population to make it common for Dutch to have Jewish ancestry, although it isn't uncommon for some Dutch to discover hidden Jewish ancestry tied to the War. I've connected with multiple cousins who discovered Jewish ancestry, often with various stories of a grandparent or great grandparent of unknown origins who had been hiding as a Jew, or even some who were taken in/adopted by non-Jewish families.
Hello Vais Cousin! So these are our people? WOW!
Excepting for their DNA - do the Sephardic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews worship differently or have varying beliefs?
Very minimal differences that mostly have to do with customs of how to run services and read prayers - known as Minhag. One example of a well known difference is defining Chametz during Passover - with Sephardim being okay to eat certain grains (rice, corn, legumes) whereas Ashkenazim are not allowed to eat these grains during Passover.
On ine if my DNA tests my top match was Spain at around 36%. I don't know of any Spanish ancestry. But i was always told my dads side was "black-dutch". I don't know of any Dutch ancestry either.
Abraham Senior Colonel has a lot of descendants in Brazil, specially northeast.
I know that add mixers with DNA profile can change, first list as Germanic, (small percentage) then another update (small percentage) Danish and Scandinavian ( knew some of that from stories heard from grandparents) Now it's completely gone from my profile which l knew it can happen as more individuals test out. Welcome to the tribe (we could be related)!.
I took an Ancestry test and it says I am 17% Portuguese from Azores and I am 1% European Jewish.
I took a My Heritage DNA test and I got 26.4 Azores Portugal and the Jewish didn't appear.
My Portuguese family name is Rego. Father's sides father.
@@joykendrick6156 That surname is almost certainly* a microtoponym: it indicated where inside a village your ancestors that first used that surnamed lived (it was almost like an address). It means something like "Ditch", i.e., a small trench created to channel water for irrigation or for public consumption.
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(*) I say "almost certainly" because other origins are also possible, like one of a few villages actually called Rego.
My daughter-in-law (dil) can trace her ancestry back to Alonso de Estrada, the illegitimate son of King Ferdinand II and his mistress Luisa de Estrada. Since you are an expert on Spanish Sephardic Jews, can you tell me if there is Jewish ancestry on either side of his parents. Also it is reported that Alonso married a converso woman named Maria de la Caballeria. Any information would be greatly appreciated or where I can find it. Thanks