It's Portugal, and people speak Portuguese, the fifth most spoken language in the world. If you're interested in living in Portugal and take advantage of the health care and school systems, I suggest you learn the language. Until then bring an interpreter. Ireland is a lovely country and they speak English so it may be a better choice for you. Go to Spain or France and try to speak English with them in a store or a clinic, then let us know how it went. I have tried, and was mistreated. (Good thing I speak Spanish and French...) Good luck.
Can you just imagine how a medical operator who is already doing a *really* stressful job under time pressure feels when they have to speak a *foreign* language in *their* own country?!
I can relate with my experience of how frustrating it was when I moved to the US and couldn’t speak English, because every important information (including immigration papers) wasn’t in my native language, of course. It was my responsibility to learn the language here to get ahead. Does Portuguese people look down on you when you can’t speak their language ? Because here in America that is the case, generally. Unless you constrain yourself to a community here who speak your native language, and that’s not good. Thank you for your channel giving all this so valuable information about your experiences in that beautiful country 😊
I’m surprise you said that Americans look down on you because you didn’t speak English. I never felt that way. I always met people who were very helpful and said “your English is good “. I remember when I started to work for bank and for 3 days we had cake and coffee for customers. I was told to serve cake and coffee with smile. People were asking me “what is the occasion?” And I couldn’t answer because it was so hard to pronounce “anniversary “😄 so I pointed on the sign on the wall.
Gosh no, Portuguese people have at least 300 other reasons to look down on you. Kidding! Wait, am I? That's the thing, they never let you know what they are really thinking!
...they really don't look down on anyone, Portuguese people are the coolest people you'll ever meet and they're really helpful. To be honest with you, if you intend to move there you should really make an effort and learn all the basics. I am Greek living in Britain for over 22 years myself, traveled to over 45 countries and I can tell you this, you'll never find cooler and more hospitable people than the Portuguese.
@@georgekaraspyros3835 agree fully,necessary to learn country's language everywhere in the wolrd.GFReeks are very helpful to foreigners,young people speak English.LOvely you shared comment,good luck
It's so important to consider both the positives and negatives of living in a different country, and how it fits into that stage of your life. In my 30's, I worked and lived in big cities in Asia and loved the fast pace, convenience and exotic cultures. Now that I'm in my 60's and retired, I appreciate a slower lifestyle and familiarity like being able to get things done just speaking English.
I feel compelled to weigh in because my experience contrasts with regard to some of what you shared. For example, I recently had a bit of an emergency in my apartment and needed a plumber. I was so amazed to find a company in Porto where not only the person handling appointments but the plumber himself, speaks English. I couldn't get over it. They were very courteous and took care of my problem within one day. Also, with regard to healthcare, I have been navigating the system lately using my private insurance. I have had appointments with different specialists, all of whom speak English and I am amazed at how efficient and functional the system is here. I was able to schedule and be seen within a very short time for non-urgent procedures. In some cases, I have been seen the same day I schedule or the following day. I have not had to wait more than 2 weeks to be seen in other cases. Test result turn around time has been remarkably fast as well. With regard to the public system, I know there are glitches, long wait times, inability to get a doctor assigned which has convinced me not to surrender my private insurance which is a lot less expensive than it would be in the U.S. in any case. I do agree that it can be nerve-wracking to show up for an appointment at Financas for example, and not be able to communicate in English but there are work arounds for that as well, like mentioning in advance on the portal when you schedule your appointment that you need help in English and/ or showing up with a script already translated in your phone app. My Deepl translator app has solved a myriad of potential communication issues for me in every sector of life here and when you do use whatever limited Portuguese you have learned, people are generally very appreciative and encouraging. Having said the positive stuff, my one BIG concern about living in Portugal is the outrageous tax rates. Even with NHR, I am quite concerned about the added taxes I will be required to pay and I really wish I had taken the time to seriously look into the tax structure here, before making Portugal my home. Thanks guys. Love your content as always.
Nice to see you have some good things to say about our country. As for tax rates, they aren’t “outrageous”…you make more and you pay more. It is a progressive taxation system. That is how it should be. All the benefits citizens and immigrants get from the country, like public healthcare, very low tuition for universities and much more is paid for by taxes. If you have NHR, I am not sure why you are saying you are going to pay a lot still. The highest tax rate will be 11% for income outside of Portugal and 20% for income made in Portugal. How is that high??? Americans pay much higher. You are paying a fraction of what Portuguese citizens pay, so really, I am not sure how you think this rate is bad or the tax break you are getting isn’t a good thing. A suggestion…don’t complain about getting this tax break in front of Portuguese people. Many of our people make very little and will pay a much higher percentage than you.
@@lisbondiaries9212 - Thank you. I suppose I have to go through my 1st year of filing taxes here before I understand the system and how it will affect me. I still have a lot of questions about my tax situation for the 1st ten years I spend in Portugal and beyond ten years as well.
@@2clarityin30 It is important to find a good accountant, but yes, we do have to pay taxes 😁. At least here, our taxes go more to social services and social program than to the military industrial complex like in the U.S.
I really appreciate your comments about the language. When I visited earlier this year I was so surprised at how much English was spoken and I was lulled into thinking easy peasy. I take your point on hospitality vs other services. Maybe not so easy peasy!
Just be aware. 😁 It's not tragic but it could be something you run into. Again, Portugal is 9 out of 113 countries in English Proficiency levels. 1 of 13 with a very high proficiency level. - Josh & Kalie
I appreciate you guys so much, Josh and Kalie. Thank you for keeping it real for us. I really like how your videos are/seem unrehearsed. It refreshing to see and hear your responses to each others’ thoughts and feelings! 💚
We celebrate our 1 year anniversary in Portugal tomorrow. We have followed you since before we even arrived and we appreciate your variety and wide coverage of many topics. In Bureaucracy, we have found that taking a native Portuguese that speaks good. English helps tremendously. Particularly if they don’t accept no for an answer. For meeting Portuguese, our friends who live in small villages have been very warmly welcomed and embraced with garden produce, friendship and partiesl
Congrats on 1 year in Portugal! Thanks for following us. 😁 Those that live in towns and villages will likely find it easier to meet Portuguese. That's a really common thing we hear and have experienced just in our travels. Great job, Bob and Viv. - Josh & Kalie
Congratulations on two years! And thank you for this honest reflection of your experiences in Portugal. It’s greatly appreciated and helps a lot when trying to paint a picture from afar of what life might be like there, especially for a family with young kids (I have 3 little ones).
This is a very realistic and honest reflection of the other side of slow paced living, and what one can expect in Portugal. It helps to thwart the denial phase of disappointment, which is huge in managing emotions. Thanks for sharing your truth, it is necessary and appreciated. You guys rock!❤
I appreciate your honesty guys and I really understand you. We've emigrated to Canada, lived in Calgary for about 2,5 years and now moved back to Romania. There is no such thing as perfect country or place to live. There are some things things that are better here, and some things better in Canada. But yes, Europe is different in many ways than North America and if you want to live here, you gonna love and accept it. And yes we all got to pick our battles aren't we? Congratulations!
Thanks for your input, John. It's really interested to read about your time as an expat in Canada. We'd love to hear more. Why'd you end up leaving? Was it job related or something else? - Josh & Kalie
Two Years! Wow! Congrats! 🥂 I'm sure that time flew by! 3 years from now you'll look back at where you are now with great nostalgia. So very happy to know you and share this incredible City with you. A million thanks for the priceless information and inspiration.
I love watching and listening to you both. When I was younger I dreamed of living in another country, but now at 65 with some health and mobility issues I feel that it would be difficult. I'm glad you and your daughter are healthy and have no problems walking everywhere, even pushing a stroller uphill as I saw you do in one of your videos when you were apartment hunting. You both have such a wonderful energy about you.
It is heartwarming to hear such honesty... and you filmed this on the island where my family originated! I visited Sao Miguel for the first time in June 2022 and am ready to return. I am also working on citizenship and Portuguese skills, and the pace of things here is just part of the texture.
I think you are spot on mentioning bureaucracy and health care system. I think bureaucracy is the biggest issue as it slows down our economy development. I hope the government can some day focus on fixing these problems. Thanks for the content. Love it.
Hey I must say that the sound quality of this video is so good even though it was filmed outdoors, so I appreciate that your videos are improving with time!
Complaining about locals not speaking English comes across a bit entitled. I feel instead of that, maybe complain that you haven’t learned as much as Portuguese as you should have after 2 years.
I don't think they were complaining they video was to let Americans know what they will face when they visit or try to retire to Portugal - As far as learning a language for some it's easy for others it is hard and for some people even though they can understand and speak they never really feel comfortable doing it
Right?! It’s like saying that Americans should learn Spanish bc of the influx of Spanish speaking people to this country. Hard no on a subscription for me
Tbf as a portuguese that lived in other countries abroad, it is quite a difference to be able to afford alternative channels that locals can't. None of those are real issues per se if you have the means. Which leaves not fluently speaking the native language as the only inconvenience. Personally to learn a few words and sentences is good enough in the first couple of years to show that you care. Beyond that...let's be honest, the only portuguese you'll meet are digital nomads like myself or people that own a local business. Expat lifestyle is a deterrent for many locals especially if you're of a certain age and also starting a family. Local families that earn little (and that's the majority) won't feel comfortable near expats to the poing of meeting in each other houses or going out. Chances are that you will meet people in their 30s still living with their parents - crazy rents! - or discouraged knowing that they won't be able to spend the day in a nice place because it's too expensive or that their house is not spatious enough. You're worlds apart from the local majority's lifestyle and that can only be mitigated if you do speak the language fluently, so yeah in the end it's a necessity.
It's not unique to Portugal though. It's very much like this everywhere, but also slightly job dependent. For example in Singapore, when we had our 9 to 5, it gave us a time frame to connect to Singaporeans better than our current schedule. Great comment. Thanks for taking the time to write it. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks thanks thanks for your video! As a portuguese that lives in the US, I have the same struggles, but on reverse: with everything being TOO FAST and not well thought out. We also struggle with making american friends 😢
Two years, wow, congrats!! Look forward to seeing at least another 2 more years worth of Portugal videos. :) p.s. sweet background there in the Azores, nice!
There is a japonize girl living in Portugal that explained very well the making friends here in Portugal in her video 1st we hug 2º then we step back 3º then we sloooooooowly start to hug again (and it's not easy to break that 2º barrier) I think what happens is that we think foreigners are here on vacation or little time, so you are kinda exotic to us, so that's easy to hug, and we think you are going away. But if we realize you are staying... we might think "wait a minute I don't know this person very well" so we might step back and then take time, and time will slowly give me the idea of what type of person you are. I don't find it strange that expats mingle with each other. It's just because there is a common life situation and they end up being friends with each other, that's completely normal.
I really appreciated your perspective and honesty. Maybe a few more like this video really helps many who are looking at Portugal as a retirement location.
I am learning Portuguese but you guys are totally right that if medical vocabulary is not in your day to day conversations, you’re going to have a harder time remembering that vocabulary when it’s time to use it. My question is, is English more widely spoken in the private medical sector? I have a spine condition and if I’m in excruciating pain I can’t imagine having to communicate in Portuguese in that moment.
Hi, Kim. Sorry to hear about your spine condition. We're not sure about the levels of English in the private sector. We don't really have enough experience to be honest. We would image that at the private level they'd be able to provide a translate if necessary or bring a medical professional in to speak with you in English, but we're not 100% sure. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere my recommendation is to bring an interpreter to a medical setting, to ensure that there are no misunderstandings. Someone fluent in Portuguese and English. Even if your interpreter is not familiar with the medical jargon you'll be able to communicate, explain your concerns and ask questions. I was in Faro Hospital with my brother, waiting for his appointment, when a British elderly gentleman showed up with an exposed colostomy bag. He didn't make an effort to understand the clerk who told him in English 'please sit, I'll be with you shortly.' I interceded. The clerk said to me he doesn't listen. She was familiar with him and would send a nurse to take him... she gave me more information and I repeated to him what she said and explained that a nurse would take him in shortly. He had no appointment, there were 5 people with appointments ahead of him, and the day before going he was told to go see his doctor at the private clinic... but they would take care of him. The elderly man listen to me and was grateful, but then he asked for my phone number to call me when he needs me. I ltold him no, I live in Boston and was visiting my very sick brother (who has passed away since then)...
Hi after 15 years travel around the world i can say Portugal is one of the best places, also Spain and Malasya, but in the Malasya case, they put a very insane Visa requeriments for expats, almost impossible to reach even with very good savings, So Portugal is great cheers
My wife and I have enjoyed your RUclips videos. We also purchased two of your courses on moving to Portugal. We received our D7 visa and are waiting for our SEF appointment which is scheduled for next June. We also purchased a condo in Granja and have recently moved in. Our condo is a mess because we have suitcases all over the place in our efforts to unpack. We gleaned a lot of information from your RUclips videos and the two courses we purchased from you. We hope to see you around the area as we adapt to our new culture. Take care.
Another great vid guys, thank you! I just recently discovered your channel and I'm loving it! My wife and i are seriously considering retiring early abroad and thanks to your channel and some others, Portugal is definitely at the top of the list of places. It looks so beautiful there. and coming from Canada, I think the weather would be AMAZING! lol I haven't had a chance yet to get through all your videos, so sorry if you've already shared this but I'm just wondering what you both do for work? Like do you have physical 9 to 5's, or do you work completely online? And if so, what do you do? Of course if you don't feel comfortable sharing, I totally understand. Keep up the great work and stay safe!
As an Army "brat", I traveled from Texas to Kansas to Germany to France. Then, I turned ... three. Around the world 1.5 times by age 19, and that, folks, is living, breathing, eating, schooing: not as a tourist. Five years in UK. Seve years in France. Contractor in Venezuela and Scotland. Multiples of moves in USA. And I do not want to retire in USA! Place bores me senseless! I cannot wait to get rid of my car! I love walking Caminos in Spain and figured Portugal is close, less expensive and I love fado guys ..and sardines a plus. Hired Atlantic Bridge as my D7 paper shuffler and aiming to rent a modest T1, furnished and all mod cons, in Coimbra-ish.. Here's y'alls catch: you are too young to settle down. You still have dirt out there in this big world you want to put under your feet. And, you have a child to school. Army brats had no choice: Oklahoma to VietNam. Kansas to Germany. Paris to Virginia. We said our farewells one day and our hellos the next. But you do not have the (luxury) of a military infrastructure supporting you: you support you. The settling-in honeymoon is over. You do face a challenge: meet it with an asolute commitment to harmony, matrimonial transparency and eyeball to eyeball love. Otherwise, it shall be an unhealed sore, too frequent silences, an infrquency of trust. Consider, reflect, decide and do. Peace out!
Maybe bureaucracy is slow for expats. For portuguese people it is a very well oiled system. Everything works through an app or online. Knowing a few more countries in Europe, Portugal is very advanced in this aspect. SNS is also very good and its mashing with the private system. You don’t meet portuguese people because maybe you live in a touristic area. Go outside of Lisbon and you’ll get to know just portuguese people.
I always feel that there r always goods n bads, ups n downs, pros n cons wherever u live in d world n that includes where we come from. But in different terrains of d world, u meet different people, see different places, eat different food, experience different art n cultures, different cost of living, enriching your life.
Thanks for the insights! Loved living there and would second all you described in the video. Not the reasons we left but we definitely experienced what is reflected in the video. Miss you guys tons!
@@jenna7060 Of course. Portugal is perfect, frankly. We knew we would miss family. But “knowing” it and “feeling” it are two different things. If our families lived on the east coast or in Europe we would still be there. Loved Portugal!!! Loved the people there, both natives and expats. It is absolutely worth exploring!
@@jenna7060 not to speak out of turn but Wendy & Eric are friends from Porto. They left due to personal family reasons and moved back to be closer to grand babies and aging parents. - Josh & Kalie
Although I left the country a long time ago and haven't visited in almost two decades, I know it has changed tremendously (for the better) since my childhood. However, I also know that regardless of what happens, you cannot take the Portugueseness out of the Portuguese. We're just the way we are, so anyone visiting is just kind of stuck dealing with us. We are stubborn and difficult like our beloved burros 🤭
I've been here almost a year and absolutely understand. I keep getting frustrated by what I perceive to be my lack of personal productivity. I'm wondering if some of it has more to do with the fact I am mostly retired, or does it have anything to do with living overseas. I'm thinking a job provides structure which results in productivity. I'm thinking I need more structure, I'm just not interested in a job. This was fantastic content and I likes the format of sitting outside in a quiet location.
Nice message to read from you, Todd. 😁 I'm glad I'm not the only one. 😅 I knew I wasn't. I see our friends here having the same problem whether they admit it or not. 🤣 We're glad that you liked the format. We had to cut out some stuff when the wind got to be a bit too much and the church bells started blasting. Structure is something we're still working on. It seems like life changes every 6 months for us with a growing daughter that just started school in September. Now, we should have a little more stability. - Josh & Kalie
It's funny how native English speakers expect everyone to speak English. In tourist places, this might even make sense. However, in everyday matters it would not be mandatory. Therefore, if someone intends to live abroad, it is essential to learn the local language, at least for the most common everyday situations. The language is just the first step to integrate with the locals and begin to understand the culture of the new country. Then, it is necessary to be more open to new experiences.
Nobody can learn a language fluently in a few years. It would be nice in the globalized world we live that people understand human communication is made better by giving a foreigner a break.
Hi: In June 2021, after a 4 year search to relocate in Portugal, I run into this channel showing apartments to rent in Coimbra and Coimbra as a city. I rented one of them for 2022. This mchannel ade a video on what is now my balcony in Coimbra in a yellow building. Since December 2021 it´s my home and I rented the appartment for a year more, 2023. I´m back again in Tigre in Argentina to settle things in December and will be back in Coimbra the 27th of December. New year may be Funchal? I´m afraid of mudslides in Funchal under the "banana line" (200 m above sea level), but also of volcanos in Azores. I think now you can compare Azores and Madeira. We have to meet in Porto! Thank you & greetings!
Your videos are so packed with great information. One of the top reasons I want to move to Portugal is the affordable healthcare. You bring up very valid points. It may be affordable, but maybe not accessible at the speed you want or need it. Thanks.
Thank you guys for sharing! ❤🙏 Can relate a lot to this and what a relief of a rminder as well how lucky I was to already be speaking English on a good level when moving to Canada. At least that was not an issue in most cases.
I am really curious about the lifecycle of the expat. it seems like within 3 years 50% of us move on. I cant find stats for this. Have you? If you compare how you felt 18 months ago to how you feel today, it's surprising, right? Maybe we dont want to know too much about how quickly we will want to resettle, bc the excitement that comes with the first year is needed to power through all the changes and challenges. This is my 40th residence. Ive done this a bunch. But as I get older, I have less and less motivation to pack up and start all over from scratch. Of course it's never really from scratch, bc you learn so much about yourself and it should help you navigate the next move and avoid some of the frustrations.
I am a slow reactor since I live in Portugal. We also moved here in Aug21 so almost two years and love it so much that we bought a house where we see ourselves for a 20years or so. That doesn't mean we stop travelling but our boys are at school and have also plans to succeed in the things they do. Maybe it is easier to have friends because of our children and the gatherings we have with the other parents. Besides we are active in the sport community were we also have our friends. For sure knowing the language does a lot and pretty hard to learn. With the knowledge of staying here for a long time it is necessary to learn it and communicate in Portuguese.
We guys finally made our first trip to Portugal starting at Lisbon for 6 days followed by Madeira for 3 days and landed in Porto on Monday. Was looking for you in the streets in Bolhao hoping to see you shooting some videos. So far we liked Madeira and Porto in that order but Porto seems to be a more happening place. Love Porto.
@ Josh & Kaily Congratulations on completing two years stay in portugal! I have been watching your videos right from your D7 application process! Well please make a video on renewal of TRP after yr second year.
I’m hoping our transition will be smoother. My wife and I already speak the language and we’re both in our late fifties, so our slowness will blend in with the Portuguese slow pace😆
Great video as always guys! Also love that you were able to make it to the Azores, been waiting on that video : ) Have you been living there with a car? If not, have you been finding it difficult to get around? Ill be making my scouting trip to the Azores soon.
As a Portuguese ex-pat resident, your video is quite accurate. We love it here, but it's not perfect. But where is? In short, they're a lovely people. PS if we need speedy medical attention for our kids, we go private, although even that takes ten days!
Thanks for the message, Jed. Nowhere is perfect and some places fit some people better than others. For example, we could stand the heat/humidity of Singapore and other's can't. It makes a world of difference. - Josh & Kalie
Last Spring I was in Algarve and went to the private clinic without an appointment. In 5 minutes I was meeting with a doctor... All I had was my passport... the nicest people in the world! (I do speak Portuguese.)
@@zairoart yes, we're in the Algarve too, and usually it took only a day or two to get a private doctor's appointment. Now it's longer, possibly because of staff shortages and also the fact the public system is creaking so they're also going private. Who knows?
Small tip: if you are anywhere that isnt a hotel, airport etc, dont start blasting in your native or english language. ASK first if they speak it. You will be amazed. I work in a market and i hate when people assume i speak english. Its incredibly rude.
I really enjoyed your video as my wife and I are starting our search in our late 50's from here in the US, at possible places to retire to. The one thing that makes me nervous to hear is about the healthcare industry and the bureaucracy. What happens when you need surgery for something? Do they slow walk your care and treatment? That's the one major are of concern for me now.
Thanks, Bruno. The answer really is, it depends. Porto and Lisbon have some great infrastructure but the more remote you go, the more challenging it can become. Overall, Portugal's healthcare it great. Check out our video on emergency situations. It sounds like you'll find a lot of value in it. - Josh & Kalie
We are in the process of immigrating to Portugal. We went this past summer to check it out. I can say for sure that immigration is a very personal and emotional process. Good emotions and bad emotions. For sure, it is crucial to learn Portuguese. My wife had to go to the ER and I was pleasantly surprised how well the ambulance dispatcher and the EMT spoke English. But as soon as we arrived at the hospital, nobody spoke English. The doctor was a Russian guy who spoke no English. I had to call our AirBnB host to come help us. But it all worked out and the total bill including the ambulance was only 200 Euros. We should be there in the summer of 2013. So I have been learning Portuguese the best I can. Even though I immigrated to the US when I was 9 and lived in Germany and Austria for two years (and learned German) in my 20s, I still feel a little intimidated by the prospects of moving to Portugal.
When you get to 2013, be sure to buy some Bitcoin and then come find me and tell me to forget about Stephanie. And then force me to buy Bitcoin as well.
I think this type of move is always a bit intimidating because of so many unknowns. Wishing you a successful relocation this summer. I love the videos here as I feel they provide a very honest look at what things are like vs sugar-coating the process. That is what makes these videos most helpful to those considering a move. Love Portugal and our experiences have been very positive as visiting parents to a son who is an ex-pat. He speaks Portuguese, we are beginners to the process as more knowledgeable of Spanish. No matter where we travel we always try to learn as many helpful phrases as possible as I think it is also an important part of the cultural experience. I find that most people in the countries we have visited appreciate the effort though our pronunciation may not be right on target.
I understand your frustration but I think you are very brave and lucky to live in Portugal. Despite the burocracy there is a sense of calm that you won’t get in Spain or Italy. If you come up north like Ireland you will have to face different kind of problems. Fair play to yous and all the best. ❤
Thanks, Rosa. Don't get us wrong, we feel completely blessed to be here. We used to live in Spain and we agree, the bureaucracy is worse for sure. 😅 - Josh & Kalie
If you have private healthcare insurance the wait times go down and English speaking Drs readily available. It takes 575hrs to become fluent in Portuguese, one of the easier languages to learn. You’ve been there 2 years
Great info. Regular life as it differs from the USA, …do you use pay via credit cards or cash? …banking international or local? …online shopping safe or “lost” shipping? …dependable construction workers showing up (for when you buy property)? Health insurance costs (and dental/vision)? Paying taxes? Dependable utilities like electrical grid, internet, drinking water? Are you taking Portuguese speaking classes in Portugal? Would you consider Valencia, Spain?
I am curious what other countries are you considering to expat that? As someone who has not actually made the jump yet to move to PT, but is scouting in the spring.....Always looking for other options and why ......especially from people who have seen the world much more than I have.
I really like this video, it is honest and fair. I struggle a lot with communicating in Portuguese. However, first, when we say "bureaucracy is worse", I believe it really isnt. I think most of those who complain haven't had to experience the bureaucracy associated with being an immigrant anywhere else. I know a lot of would-be immigrants to other, English-speaking countries, and really, here is much kinder, more straightforward, and the desk-officers one meets much much more accomodating. I think too we can't complain that people in public services don't speak English so much. Nor do they speak Mandarin, nor German, nor other languages. Portuguese speaking taxpayer have paid for and built their public services, and it is only fair that Portuguese speakers are employed by them. Portuguese language is an essential feature of living here, like the beaches, the mountains, the food, the weather. We immigrants need to be prepared to learn (and I find it really really hard), but also cost in hiring translators and representatives to deal with public bodies, go to hospitals wih us as part of what we do. No criticism of Expats Everywhere, you are a really helpful inspiration, I love the three of you.
Thanks for the love, B Cooke. It's no major complaint as some people infer. It's more of a wake up call to those before they move here. A lot of people in the comment section don't get that, but in the end, the video wasn't made for them. We're doing it for the people that don't know and aren't here and maybe realize that if these little things bother them, then they shouldn't move here. In saying that, it's not to discourage but it is to prepare. Again, thanks for the message. 😊 - Josh & Kalie
I have ALWAYS been a slow eater. So slow, my family members would leave me alone at the table. In traveling to Europe, it was one thing I loved, oh, can now eat slow for real. 😊
since you are already 40% of the way and D7 visa (i assume u used) you could just spend 6 mo's of the year in other places and 6 months in Portugal to finish it out if you wanted to stick thru till citizenship for the next 3 years, right? maybe would also help appreciate Portugal a lil extra?
If they are getting the new 3-year renewal it only allows for the same absence period as the 2-year. That is 6 months consecutive, or 8 months interpolated over the 3-year period.
@@JonesTravelers I see! Yeah I'm not well versed on D7. I don't think I would do D7 unless I knew for sure I could stay in Portugal for 8 months/year. I think now that covid-craze is over the want/need for most to get out is a lot higher than ever before.
You're welcome. Thank you. It could certainly help but at some point like us, you'll want to try to do it yourself. You know? Kalie thought she had it, and didn't. 🤣 - Josh & Kalie
@@grant5059 I'm not sure what Serenity charges right now. It was around $10 a month but we're not sure right now. Some insurance companies have built in concierges to their offering so it's included in whatever you normally pay. - Josh & Kalie
Hey guys! Congrats on 2yrs in Portugal!!. I've been watching and learning about the country thru your videos for about 8mos...great content!!! Since you brought up the language, are you still taking "Portuguese with Carla" courses? I tried connecting to take her courses but I haven't been able to connect. This could be because I'm a Florida resident who have some internet issues since the last "two" hurricanes😳🥴!! I looked for Carla's latest videos and saw only one recent video and the lady didn't look like the same lady in previous videos! I'm retired and very interested in the Algarve. Do you think expats in that area feel the same frustration in encountering non-English speaking natives? Wishing you guys the very best...wherever you are in the world!!!
Algarve has many foreigners such as English, Germans and Nordics and the level of English is much higher than the rest of Portugal as it is a tourist area Algarve has many foreigners like English, Germans and Nordics and the level of English is much higher than the rest of Portugal as it is a tourist area and many retirees from northern Europe
Hi, N R Smith. Thanks for watching. We're still using Portuguese with Carla and making good progress. We did have a period where we didn't find enough time to study but we're back to 30 minutes or so a day. Try this link journey.portuguesewithcarla.com/offer-collab/?ref=7 to join The Journey. Regarding Algarve, the comment that I pulled and showed in the video was someone having an issue at a hospital in Algarve. In the service/hospitality industry, it's going to be super high levels of English, but outside of that, it could be the same issues as discussed in the video although let's be honest, it's not issues you run into everyday. It's like once a month kind of stuff. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere I appreciate you taking the time to reply. You guys are the best and such an inspiration! I will definitely use the link you sent me for Carla! I plan on a 3-4 week visit to Portugal beginning March 24, 2023!! I want to have a few lessons b4 arriving there! I have played your video (at least 1000 times) where you met Carla and her husband at the park and answered her questions in Portuguese! It's great practice for me.😊 I will email you with a couple of questions...on several subjects.🙄🤭 I might have to book consultation time with you...your time/knowledge is valuable and your experience is priceless!! Thanks again! Stay positive, remain great and all the best to the entire family!💯🤍
I bought the Timekettle Translation earbuds solely for the purpose of medical use. An emergency in Spain helped me make the sleep to get these. Take a look. I am on day 3 and wow.
Now I'm nervous about permanently relocating from Calif. to Portugal (Algarve area.) We're retired and in our 60's and, I assume, we'd need private healthcare to go along with our aging and age related illnesses that may pop up along the way. I think I'd better start learning Portuguese now. I know the Brazilian Port. is easier to learn/speak. Does it work with the Portuguese bureaucracy? or is that still a huge slow down? I also wonder about caregiving and assisted living needs in Portugal if they arise. You're too young, but do you have any brief insights on that aspect of a permanent move?
Sorry to disappoint you, but the option of moving permanently to Portugal, with caregiving and assisted living needs is an absolute NO. In reality, those who take care of the elderly, in their homes or in nursing homes facilities, are people who do not speak English at all - they are poorly paid, with little literary education and there are many, many Brazilian emigrants, originating from a country where the level of English is far below the one that exists in Portugal. If you want to come to the Algarve while still having autonomy this is a good option - you can make friends with English speaking residents, there is a large community of English pensioners. And with regard to communication problems in English in the medical sector, I am surprised, because everyone (younger than 50 ) has studied English for many years, and the doctors certainly know how to have a conversation in English - as for the administrative staff, it can surely happen that the communication is not as fluid as you would like
@@Maria-js9ou Thank you so much for giving me some insight. We're both fine, but we're in our sixties. So, a permanent move now would be fine, I'm just not sure how we'd do aging there. If I learn to speak Portuguese, we should be okay, it's the health care system itself that I'm unsure of. I'm going to have to do some serious research. Take care.
@@Nicole-km3bd I already speak Spanish fairly well, so, I guess the European way would be best. However, "if" I speak Spanish, or Brazillian Port., can I get by?
Hey Alison, if it's the case of "getting by", English is perfectly fine, but if you want to assimilate, it's best to learn European Portuguese. It's not that hard for English language speakers from an objective point of view. - Josh & Kalie
Well, as a german biologist and gardener with some linguistic skills I learned just to stay away from tourists and most expats after staying over 5 years abroad. Most of those people with their attitudes and interests are unbearable for me and I even pretend to not understand English or German when they try to approach me or try to find a tourist guide for free. After studying cultural anthropology too I just feel ashamed how they are imprisoned in their own environmental bubble wherever they go.
Love your channel guys. Not speaking Portuguese and trying to meet more Portuguese people is linked. I am Mexican so Portuguese is not my first language. However, I speak Portuguese (very well in accordance with Portuguese people!, perhaps it is true, lol). That makes life and social life much much easier. You will not change the fact that in non-hospitality services are not fluent in English, but you can learn Portuguese. Is not that hard, believe me. Best!!!!!!
I thought this was a fair and balanced presentation from an expats point of view. I’m glad I watched it. Some viewers (their comments) read too much into this video. Keep up the good work!
Yep- coming in the comment section to say: if you are having issues with language barrier in a country that you have moved to, learn the language. You say “it’s not that easy guys, these aren’t words you normally use..” Well, learn them properly so they will be something you normally use. The entitlement people in the US have for others to speak English is unfair.
First, of all, nice profile pic. Second, it's not just US people. In Portugal's context, go down to Algarve and speak to foreigners and see what nationality has the entitlement. Very few Americans that we know not care about learning Portuguese. Third, English is the universal language. It's a blessing and curse for Americans and Brits. But the reality is that English is a universal language and that's why we talk about it because if a Japanese person watching our content and they know English, they're not going to expect a person in Portugal to know Japanese but they'll "expect" them to know English and that'll make a difference in their stay. Does that make sense? If a German and Japanese swap countries, it's English that's going to be their common language. - Josh & Kalie
If I am not wrong, because of your work, you rarely use the Portuguese language. Also, in the private sector, most people speak English, even the native people. So just going to a course to learn a language is not going to help,
Americans are so very used to at that the rest of the world has to speak English, and as world travelers shoudn’t be an expectation because the same is experienced by foreigners in USA, struggling and getting frustrated by not being understood or kindly helped by the majority of americans. It is a cruel reality for non English speakers. Imagine how asians, africans struggle in Portugal because they might not even speak English. As foreigners are asked to speak English in USA every inmigrant in Portugal must lern the language.
@@ann28 try calling a plumber here, lol.. or get your hair done… I recently visited a dentist who spoke and understood 0 English. My point is it is not only American english speakers who wants everyone to speak their language but any language speakers as long as they represent a significant number of people in a certain area.
You have great plan👍. Having EU and USA passport is great idea. I moved to USA 40 yrs ago and remember how hard it was for the first 3 yrs. After I learned English it was piece a cake. I met wonderful people from my first day in USA. My daughter was born and raised in USA. Went to UConn. Since she had dual citizenship she did her masters in Germany (free education). She decided to move and live in Swiss so I left states. Now I’m planning to move to Portugal for my retirement. I wish you my best. Great video 👍
Visa process out of San Francisco has been very difficult. I think they are planning on a six week strike just as I am expecting to get it, but I probably won't.
Wow. Here's an exercise: go pick any of your videos 2 years ago, listen to that excitement and then watch this one again. Quite a difference. And yeah - SEF could do better job, and get a private health care it's cheaper in Europe and quite good.
Q for Kalie: one of my go to ways to build community & tribe as a woman (esp over the yrs when I was a traveling corp consultant) is yoga; i always find this a super welcoming & down to earth group of folks…are there yoga studios in the Portuguese isles that you have noticed at all? You may consider trying it if so - its a whole segment of the population that typically spans generations & has big open hearts wherever you go… xoxo (Ps I’m also a yoga teacher & have thought of teaching in retirement wherever we land… = )
If they went to live in the Algarve, they wouldn't have so much language problem, because the level of English is higher than in the rest of Portugal, where everyone has to speak English because it's a tourist area
I´m Portuguese, and I agree with most of what you said, but I don´t believe that in the medical system, people don´t speak English!!!, our medical staff is well educated so Inglish and French are almost a must, and not going to point Spanish, so at least they should speak 4 languages. How many Americans speak 4 Languages? Also, it all depends on where you live...if you live in Porto...Porto is not an English destination because is almost bad weather most of the year. But if you go south of Portugal English is everywhere... Another mistake that people do, is comparing a big city from USA with a town in Portugal, the services will be different. You need to think in this, do you to live in a safe place, Yes Portugal, you want to eat other than burgers and pizzas, yes so Portugal, you want to have FREE health care, yes so Portugal, you want a place without racism, yes so Portugal, you want to live in a cheap place, yes so Portugal. People talk about bureaucracy...have you try Spain ? Do you know that Portugal had to wait 5 years for Spain to put their paperwork ready so both go to the EU at the same time... I was in Australia for 10 years, and now that I work on line...Portugal is the best choice and I live in Algarve...
Hi K&J-I really love these honest videos that don’t describe how wonderful everything is. So I thank you for this and encourage more. 👍🏻 Having lived for many years in Italy (and visited um-teen times), I can replace your use of Portugal with Italy-and it would be correct as well. I found most of the services that cater to visitors/tourists in Italy absolutely must know other languages (not just English) for survival. Government employees? Yeah-who cares? What’s the point? The frequency of a visitor/tourist is not that high. Besides, they have a secure government job that they’ll have for life. Actually, I find it odd that industries that cater to visitors/tourists in the US (like a hotel) don’t speak anything but English-unless they happen to know another language anyway. In terms of staying in PT-you MUST, MUST get that EU/PT passport for yourselves and Cia. Time will fly and three years ain’t much. Also recall, laws can always change. IOW, what’s true today may not be true tomorrow. ‘Underwater basket weaving’ 🤔 Not bad. Where do I sign up? 😂
Thank you, Maurice. It's was a little scary getting into the comment section this morning. 😅 Oh yea, it's crazy to hear people in the tourism industry effortlessly float between English, French, Portuguese and Spain. We thing with English being the universal language, it's a blessing and a curse for Americans, Brits, and Aussies (and Kiwis). Canadians don't seem to have as much of an issue because of their ties to French. South Africa has a ton of languages too. Sign up at your local YMCA 🤣 - Josh & Kalie
I have been living in China for 25 years, you should come and see how fast people are here. They push you out from a restaurant before you finish your meal for a next customer.
Why do all Americans expect English to be spoken?As a European, I appreciate the culture of the respective country and I want it to be preserved. Also the language. Adapt!
It's not an expectation of Americans. It's that English is the universal language. It's easy to conflate the two considering American and Brits are native speakers of English but when a Japanese person moves to Germany for work, they're going to be okay relaying on their English skills before acquiring German. Just the same, when a Portuguese moves to Switzerland, they can use English until they learn French, Italian, German, or Romansh. Although, let's be honest, the Portuguese person probably knows French and can quickly adapt to Italian. If a Dutch person moves to Greece....we could go on and on. The point is that English is the Universal Language and that's what we're trying to point out to the viewers because our audience isn't just Americans. - Josh
"How many languages do you speak?" I'm not surprised anymore to know that English speakers very often don't know any other language. You are guest in Portugal and you should speak the language of the locals and not the opposite. Try to do an effort 👌
The Portuguese NHR system is a no-brainer. There are no better deals in Europe, and this one has a run time of ten years! No wonder their economy is taking off, the Portuguese are smart.
Bit of a rant I know but its just frustrating to hear this all the time on multiple Expat/digital nomad youtube channels. It seems that a lot of planning and prepping is put into the move...but nobody decided to learn the language. Encountering people in a foreign country that speak your language is great but if they don't, it shouldn't reflect negatively on the country or its people. To your example, government and medical workers in Portugal are there to service the 15 million Portuguese citizens, its not on them to learn English or French or German or any of the other languages that make up the 100k or 500K expats from any number of countries.
It's Portugal, and people speak Portuguese, the fifth most spoken language in the world. If you're interested in living in Portugal and take advantage of the health care and school systems, I suggest you learn the language. Until then bring an interpreter.
Ireland is a lovely country and they speak English so it may be a better choice for you.
Go to Spain or France and try to speak English with them in a store or a clinic, then let us know how it went. I have tried, and was mistreated. (Good thing I speak Spanish and French...) Good luck.
Greece would be a choice.Greeks are very helpful to foreigners.But quite expensive in cities
It's nice when people can speak the same language as you but when you're in another country don't expect people to cater to you.
Can you just imagine how a medical operator who is already doing a *really* stressful job under time pressure feels when they have to speak a *foreign* language in *their* own country?!
Welcome to my country! I hope you 3 have an excellent year to come!
I can relate with my experience of how frustrating it was when I moved to the US and couldn’t speak English, because every important information (including immigration papers) wasn’t in my native language, of course. It was my responsibility to learn the language here to get ahead.
Does Portuguese people look down on you when you can’t speak their language ? Because here in America that is the case, generally. Unless you constrain yourself to a community here who speak your native language, and that’s not good.
Thank you for your channel giving all this so valuable information about your experiences in that beautiful country 😊
I’m surprise you said that Americans look down on you because you didn’t speak English. I never felt that way. I always met people who were very helpful and said “your English is good “. I remember when I started to work for bank and for 3 days we had cake and coffee for customers. I was told to serve cake and coffee with smile. People were asking me “what is the occasion?” And I couldn’t answer because it was so hard to pronounce “anniversary “😄 so I pointed on the sign on the wall.
Gosh no, Portuguese people have at least 300 other reasons to look down on you. Kidding! Wait, am I? That's the thing, they never let you know what they are really thinking!
...they really don't look down on anyone, Portuguese people are the coolest people you'll ever meet and they're really helpful. To be honest with you, if you intend to move there you should really make an effort and learn all the basics. I am Greek living in Britain for over 22 years myself, traveled to over 45 countries and I can tell you this, you'll never find cooler and more hospitable people than the Portuguese.
@@loupgarou5797 brilliant 😂
@@georgekaraspyros3835 agree fully,necessary to learn country's language everywhere in the wolrd.GFReeks are very helpful to foreigners,young people speak English.LOvely you shared comment,good luck
It's so important to consider both the positives and negatives of living in a different country, and how it fits into that stage of your life. In my 30's, I worked and lived in big cities in Asia and loved the fast pace, convenience and exotic cultures. Now that I'm in my 60's and retired, I appreciate a slower lifestyle and familiarity like being able to get things done just speaking English.
Thanks for the message, Linda. You get it. We needed to add balance to our video offerings as most of them are very, very positive. - Josh & Kalie
Yes it's so amazing to move to another country and not give a crap about its language lmao
I feel compelled to weigh in because my experience contrasts with regard to some of what you shared. For example, I recently had a bit of an emergency in my apartment and needed a plumber. I was so amazed to find a company in Porto where not only the person handling appointments but the plumber himself, speaks English. I couldn't get over it. They were very courteous and took care of my problem within one day. Also, with regard to healthcare, I have been navigating the system lately using my private insurance. I have had appointments with different specialists, all of whom speak English and I am amazed at how efficient and functional the system is here. I was able to schedule and be seen within a very short time for non-urgent procedures. In some cases, I have been seen the same day I schedule or the following day. I have not had to wait more than 2 weeks to be seen in other cases. Test result turn around time has been remarkably fast as well. With regard to the public system, I know there are glitches, long wait times, inability to get a doctor assigned which has convinced me not to surrender my private insurance which is a lot less expensive than it would be in the U.S. in any case. I do agree that it can be nerve-wracking to show up for an appointment at Financas for example, and not be able to communicate in English but there are work arounds for that as well, like mentioning in advance on the portal when you schedule your appointment that you need help in English and/ or showing up with a script already translated in your phone app. My Deepl translator app has solved a myriad of potential communication issues for me in every sector of life here and when you do use whatever limited Portuguese you have learned, people are generally very appreciative and encouraging. Having said the positive stuff, my one BIG concern about living in Portugal is the outrageous tax rates. Even with NHR, I am quite concerned about the added taxes I will be required to pay and I really wish I had taken the time to seriously look into the tax structure here, before making Portugal my home. Thanks guys. Love your content as always.
Yes, it’s my concern as well. What happens when NHR goes away after 10 years as resident. Ouch!
thanks...very helpful comment.
Nice to see you have some good things to say about our country. As for tax rates, they aren’t “outrageous”…you make more and you pay more. It is a progressive taxation system. That is how it should be. All the benefits citizens and immigrants get from the country, like public healthcare, very low tuition for universities and much more is paid for by taxes. If you have NHR, I am not sure why you are saying you are going to pay a lot still. The highest tax rate will be 11% for income outside of Portugal and 20% for income made in Portugal. How is that high??? Americans pay much higher. You are paying a fraction of what Portuguese citizens pay, so really, I am not sure how you think this rate is bad or the tax break you are getting isn’t a good thing. A suggestion…don’t complain about getting this tax break in front of Portuguese people. Many of our people make very little and will pay a much higher percentage than you.
@@lisbondiaries9212 - Thank you. I suppose I have to go through my 1st year of filing taxes here before I understand the system and how it will affect me. I still have a lot of questions about my tax situation for the 1st ten years I spend in Portugal and beyond ten years as well.
@@2clarityin30 It is important to find a good accountant, but yes, we do have to pay taxes 😁. At least here, our taxes go more to social services and social program than to the military industrial complex like in the U.S.
Congrats on 2 years! Your youtube's was a big part in giving me the confidence to move to Portugal. Keep us updated, lol. Love your authenticity!!!
Thank you. It's very nice to hear that we've played a part. We appreciate the love. - Josh & Kalie
I really appreciate your comments about the language. When I visited earlier this year I was so surprised at how much English was spoken and I was lulled into thinking easy peasy. I take your point on hospitality vs other services. Maybe not so easy peasy!
Just be aware. 😁 It's not tragic but it could be something you run into. Again, Portugal is 9 out of 113 countries in English Proficiency levels. 1 of 13 with a very high proficiency level. - Josh & Kalie
You folks are always giving 100%. It shows and is appreciated. 😊
Thanks, Seamus. 🙏 We're trying to over here. 😊 - Josh & Kalie
I appreciate you guys so much, Josh and Kalie. Thank you for keeping it real for us. I really like how your videos are/seem unrehearsed. It refreshing to see and hear your responses to each others’ thoughts and feelings! 💚
We celebrate our 1 year anniversary in Portugal tomorrow. We have followed you since before we even arrived and we appreciate your variety and wide coverage of many topics. In Bureaucracy, we have found that taking a native Portuguese that speaks good. English helps tremendously. Particularly if they don’t accept no for an answer. For meeting Portuguese, our friends who live in small villages have been very warmly welcomed and embraced with garden produce, friendship and partiesl
Congrats on 1 year in Portugal! Thanks for following us. 😁 Those that live in towns and villages will likely find it easier to meet Portuguese. That's a really common thing we hear and have experienced just in our travels. Great job, Bob and Viv. - Josh & Kalie
Congratulations on two years! And thank you for this honest reflection of your experiences in Portugal. It’s greatly appreciated and helps a lot when trying to paint a picture from afar of what life might be like there, especially for a family with young kids (I have 3 little ones).
This is a very realistic and honest reflection of the other side of slow paced living, and what one can expect in Portugal. It helps to thwart the denial phase of disappointment, which is huge in managing emotions. Thanks for sharing your truth, it is necessary and appreciated. You guys rock!❤
You get it, Mo! This was the point of the video. Thank you for watching and commenting. - Josh & Kalie
I appreciate your honesty guys and I really understand you. We've emigrated to Canada, lived in Calgary for about 2,5 years and now moved back to Romania. There is no such thing as perfect country or place to live. There are some things things that are better here, and some things better in Canada. But yes, Europe is different in many ways than North America and if you want to live here, you gonna love and accept it. And yes we all got to pick our battles aren't we?
Congratulations!
Thanks for your input, John. It's really interested to read about your time as an expat in Canada. We'd love to hear more. Why'd you end up leaving? Was it job related or something else? - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere As a Canadian, I can confidently say they either left because of the weather or the cost of living!! 🤣
It’s good that you both give your honest opinion about living in Portugal.
Thank you. 🙏 We appreciate it. - Josh & Kalie
Two Years! Wow! Congrats! 🥂 I'm sure that time flew by! 3 years from now you'll look back at where you are now with great nostalgia. So very happy to know you and share this incredible City with you. A million thanks for the priceless information and inspiration.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! We appreciate the comment and knowing you too. 🙏 - Josh & Kalie
I love watching and listening to you both. When I was younger I dreamed of living in another country, but now at 65 with some health and mobility issues I feel that it would be difficult. I'm glad you and your daughter are healthy and have no problems walking everywhere, even pushing a stroller uphill as I saw you do in one of your videos when you were apartment hunting. You both have such a wonderful energy about you.
Thanks, Tina! Pushing that stroller is keeping us young and growing our thighs. - Josh & Kalie
It is heartwarming to hear such honesty... and you filmed this on the island where my family originated! I visited Sao Miguel for the first time in June 2022 and am ready to return. I am also working on citizenship and Portuguese skills, and the pace of things here is just part of the texture.
Thanks, Dean! We now know where your accent comes from. 😊 We hear it now. - Josh & Kalie
Great video. You are both so natural on camera. It feels like getting advice from a good friend.
Thank you, David. We've had a lot of practice on camera but also we do feel like we're talking to you while we're on camera. - Josh & Kalie
Appreciate this perspective that there are still challenges. Cheers to you both.
Thanks for watching and commenting, Robin. We appreciate your support. - Josh & Kalie
I think you are spot on mentioning bureaucracy and health care system. I think bureaucracy is the biggest issue as it slows down our economy development. I hope the government can some day focus on fixing these problems. Thanks for the content. Love it.
Thanks for the love. ❤️ No where it perfect, right? Portugal is great for us though and we're really happy here. - Josh & Kalie
Hey I must say that the sound quality of this video is so good even though it was filmed outdoors, so I appreciate that your videos are improving with time!
Thanks, Paola! This one was tricky. There's a quite a bit of cleaning to do and we had to remove some windy moments. 🤣 - Josh & Kalie
Totally resonated with your comments about opening up the world for Cia. Yes for 5 years at least!
We're excited about the prospect of it. - Josh & Kalie
Complaining about locals not speaking English comes across a bit entitled. I feel instead of that, maybe complain that you haven’t learned as much as Portuguese as you should have after 2 years.
I don't think they were complaining they video was to let Americans know what they will face when they visit or try to retire to Portugal - As far as learning a language for some it's easy for others it is hard and for some people even though they can understand and speak they never really feel comfortable doing it
Right?! It’s like saying that Americans should learn Spanish bc of the influx of Spanish speaking people to this country. Hard no on a subscription for me
Tbf as a portuguese that lived in other countries abroad, it is quite a difference to be able to afford alternative channels that locals can't. None of those are real issues per se if you have the means. Which leaves not fluently speaking the native language as the only inconvenience. Personally to learn a few words and sentences is good enough in the first couple of years to show that you care. Beyond that...let's be honest, the only portuguese you'll meet are digital nomads like myself or people that own a local business. Expat lifestyle is a deterrent for many locals especially if you're of a certain age and also starting a family. Local families that earn little (and that's the majority) won't feel comfortable near expats to the poing of meeting in each other houses or going out. Chances are that you will meet people in their 30s still living with their parents - crazy rents! - or discouraged knowing that they won't be able to spend the day in a nice place because it's too expensive or that their house is not spatious enough. You're worlds apart from the local majority's lifestyle and that can only be mitigated if you do speak the language fluently, so yeah in the end it's a necessity.
excellent comment anyone considering or already moved to Portugal should understand.
It's not unique to Portugal though. It's very much like this everywhere, but also slightly job dependent. For example in Singapore, when we had our 9 to 5, it gave us a time frame to connect to Singaporeans better than our current schedule. Great comment. Thanks for taking the time to write it. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks thanks thanks for your video! As a portuguese that lives in the US, I have the same struggles, but on reverse: with everything being TOO FAST and not well thought out. We also struggle with making american friends 😢
Two years, wow, congrats!! Look forward to seeing at least another 2 more years worth of Portugal videos. :) p.s. sweet background there in the Azores, nice!
Thanks, Tom. We loved the place we stayed in the Azores (short-term rental in Sete Cidades). - Josh & Kalie
There is a japonize girl living in Portugal that explained very well the making friends here in Portugal in her video
1st we hug
2º then we step back
3º then we sloooooooowly start to hug again (and it's not easy to break that 2º barrier)
I think what happens is that we think foreigners are here on vacation or little time, so you are kinda exotic to us, so that's easy to hug, and we think you are going away.
But if we realize you are staying... we might think "wait a minute I don't know this person very well" so we might step back and then take time, and time will slowly give me the idea of what type of person you are.
I don't find it strange that expats mingle with each other. It's just because there is a common life situation and they end up being friends with each other, that's completely normal.
I really appreciated your perspective and honesty. Maybe a few more like this video really helps many who are looking at Portugal as a retirement location.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the message. - Josh & Kalie
I am learning Portuguese but you guys are totally right that if medical vocabulary is not in your day to day conversations, you’re going to have a harder time remembering that vocabulary when it’s time to use it. My question is, is English more widely spoken in the private medical sector? I have a spine condition and if I’m in excruciating pain I can’t imagine having to communicate in Portuguese in that moment.
Hi, Kim. Sorry to hear about your spine condition. We're not sure about the levels of English in the private sector. We don't really have enough experience to be honest. We would image that at the private level they'd be able to provide a translate if necessary or bring a medical professional in to speak with you in English, but we're not 100% sure. - Josh & Kalie
Don’t worry about that, Drs. and Nurses speak English.
@@ExpatsEverywhere my recommendation is to bring an interpreter to a medical setting, to ensure that there are no misunderstandings. Someone fluent in Portuguese and English. Even if your interpreter is not familiar with the medical jargon you'll be able to communicate, explain your concerns and ask questions.
I was in Faro Hospital with my brother, waiting for his appointment, when a British elderly gentleman showed up with an exposed colostomy bag. He didn't make an effort to understand the clerk who told him in English 'please sit, I'll be with you shortly.' I interceded. The clerk said to me he doesn't listen. She was familiar with him and would send a nurse to take him... she gave me more information and I repeated to him what she said and explained that a nurse would take him in shortly. He had no appointment, there were 5 people with appointments ahead of him, and the day before going he was told to go see his doctor at the private clinic... but they would take care of him. The elderly man listen to me and was grateful, but then he asked for my phone number to call me when he needs me. I ltold him no, I live in Boston and was visiting my very sick brother (who has passed away since then)...
Really Great video guys. these are the kinds of insights that other potential expats will value. Thanks!
Thank you. 🙏 We appreciate it when people get what we're trying to do and drown out the haters. 😁 - Josh & Kalie
Hi
after 15 years travel around the world i can say Portugal is one of the best places, also Spain and Malasya, but in the Malasya case, they put a very insane Visa requeriments for expats, almost impossible to reach even with very good savings,
So Portugal is great
cheers
Definitely one of the best places in the world (for us). - Josh & Kalie
My wife and I have enjoyed your RUclips videos. We also purchased two of your courses on moving to Portugal. We received our D7 visa and are waiting for our SEF appointment which is scheduled for next June. We also purchased a condo in Granja and have recently moved in. Our condo is a mess because we have suitcases all over the place in our efforts to unpack. We gleaned a lot of information from your RUclips videos and the two courses we purchased from you. We hope to see you around the area as we adapt to our new culture. Take care.
Another great vid guys, thank you! I just recently discovered your channel and I'm loving it! My wife and i are seriously considering retiring early abroad and thanks to your channel and some others, Portugal is definitely at the top of the list of places. It looks so beautiful there. and coming from Canada, I think the weather would be AMAZING! lol I haven't had a chance yet to get through all your videos, so sorry if you've already shared this but I'm just wondering what you both do for work? Like do you have physical 9 to 5's, or do you work completely online? And if so, what do you do? Of course if you don't feel comfortable sharing, I totally understand. Keep up the great work and stay safe!
Thanks for sharing your personal insights! And about exploring new places? It's all about adventure. Right? Love you guys!
Thanks for the love. ❤️ Any suggestions? - Josh & Kalie
As an Army "brat", I traveled from Texas to Kansas to Germany to France. Then, I turned ... three. Around the world 1.5 times by age 19, and that, folks, is living, breathing, eating, schooing: not as a tourist. Five years in UK. Seve years in France. Contractor in Venezuela and Scotland. Multiples of moves in USA. And I do not want to retire in USA! Place bores me senseless! I cannot wait to get rid of my car! I love walking Caminos in Spain and figured Portugal is close, less expensive and I love fado guys ..and sardines a plus. Hired Atlantic Bridge as my D7 paper shuffler and aiming to rent a modest T1, furnished and all mod cons, in Coimbra-ish.. Here's y'alls catch: you are too young to settle down. You still have dirt out there in this big world you want to put under your feet. And, you have a child to school. Army brats had no choice: Oklahoma to VietNam. Kansas to Germany. Paris to Virginia. We said our farewells one day and our hellos the next. But you do not have the (luxury) of a military infrastructure supporting you: you support you. The settling-in honeymoon is over. You do face a challenge: meet it with an asolute commitment to harmony, matrimonial transparency and eyeball to eyeball love. Otherwise, it shall be an unhealed sore, too frequent silences, an infrquency of trust. Consider, reflect, decide and do. Peace out!
Maybe bureaucracy is slow for expats. For portuguese people it is a very well oiled system. Everything works through an app or online. Knowing a few more countries in Europe, Portugal is very advanced in this aspect. SNS is also very good and its mashing with the private system. You don’t meet portuguese people because maybe you live in a touristic area. Go outside of Lisbon and you’ll get to know just portuguese people.
Congratulations guys. Hope all the best for u 3. Enjoy Portugal it is a paradise. 😊
Thanks for this wonderful video n for sharing your lovely experience living in Portugal.
I always feel that there r always goods n bads, ups n downs, pros n cons wherever u live in d world n that includes where we come from. But in different terrains of d world, u meet different people, see different places, eat different food, experience different art n cultures, different cost of living, enriching your life.
That's just it, Yasin. Things are different and there's positives and negatives to everywhere. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Yes, making d best from all situations. 😁
Thanks for the insights! Loved living there and would second all you described in the video. Not the reasons we left but we definitely experienced what is reflected in the video. Miss you guys tons!
You're welcome. We love and miss you both! Look forward to linking up again somewhere in the world. Stay in touch. - Josh & Kalie
Wendy , can you share why you decide to leave ? I am debating whether to go to portugal or south of spain
@@jenna7060 Of course. Portugal is perfect, frankly. We knew we would miss family. But “knowing” it and “feeling” it are two different things. If our families lived on the east coast or in Europe we would still be there. Loved Portugal!!! Loved the people there, both natives and expats. It is absolutely worth exploring!
@@jenna7060 not to speak out of turn but Wendy & Eric are friends from Porto. They left due to personal family reasons and moved back to be closer to grand babies and aging parents. - Josh & Kalie
Although I left the country a long time ago and haven't visited in almost two decades, I know it has changed tremendously (for the better) since my childhood. However, I also know that regardless of what happens, you cannot take the Portugueseness out of the Portuguese. We're just the way we are, so anyone visiting is just kind of stuck dealing with us. We are stubborn and difficult like our beloved burros 🤭
I've been here almost a year and absolutely understand. I keep getting frustrated by what I perceive to be my lack of personal productivity. I'm wondering if some of it has more to do with the fact I am mostly retired, or does it have anything to do with living overseas. I'm thinking a job provides structure which results in productivity. I'm thinking I need more structure, I'm just not interested in a job. This was fantastic content and I likes the format of sitting outside in a quiet location.
Nice message to read from you, Todd. 😁 I'm glad I'm not the only one. 😅 I knew I wasn't. I see our friends here having the same problem whether they admit it or not. 🤣
We're glad that you liked the format. We had to cut out some stuff when the wind got to be a bit too much and the church bells started blasting.
Structure is something we're still working on. It seems like life changes every 6 months for us with a growing daughter that just started school in September. Now, we should have a little more stability. - Josh & Kalie
Really appreciate the honest, balanced feedback.
Thanks, Lionel. We appreciate that you get what we're trying to do with this video. - Josh & Kalie
It's funny how native English speakers expect everyone to speak English. In tourist places, this might even make sense. However, in everyday matters it would not be mandatory. Therefore, if someone intends to live abroad, it is essential to learn the local language, at least for the most common everyday situations.
The language is just the first step to integrate with the locals and begin to understand the culture of the new country.
Then, it is necessary to be more open to new experiences.
The language of Portuguese is spoken in Portugal. You American egocentrics have a hard time understanding that.
Nobody can learn a language fluently in a few years. It would be nice in the globalized world we live that people understand human communication is made better by giving a foreigner a break.
We set up an urban sketching group to meet locals and foreigners. We meet every two weeks to sketch and connect.
Sounds like a terrific idea
That's awesome! How big is the group? Please put the details here if you'd like. - Josh & Kalie
Hi:
In June 2021, after a 4 year search to relocate in Portugal, I run into this channel showing apartments to rent in Coimbra and Coimbra as a city. I rented one of them for 2022. This mchannel ade a video on what is now my balcony in Coimbra in a yellow building.
Since December 2021 it´s my home and I rented the appartment for a year more, 2023.
I´m back again in Tigre in Argentina to settle things in December and will be back in Coimbra the 27th of December.
New year may be Funchal? I´m afraid of mudslides in Funchal under the "banana line" (200 m above sea level), but also of volcanos in Azores.
I think now you can compare Azores and Madeira. We have to meet in Porto! Thank you & greetings!
We hope to see you at a meet up in 2023! Thanks for continuing to watch, Teo. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Yes, i have to learn urgently this matter of underwater basketweaving! 😅
Your videos are so packed with great information. One of the top reasons I want to move to Portugal is the affordable healthcare. You bring up very valid points. It may be affordable, but maybe not accessible at the speed you want or need it. Thanks.
Glad you like them! - Josh & Kalie
Thank you guys for sharing! ❤🙏 Can relate a lot to this and what a relief of a rminder as well how lucky I was to already be speaking English on a good level when moving to Canada. At least that was not an issue in most cases.
Our pleasure! Thank you for sharing about your journey. - Josh & Kalie
I am really curious about the lifecycle of the expat. it seems like within 3 years 50% of us move on. I cant find stats for this. Have you? If you compare how you felt 18 months ago to how you feel today, it's surprising, right? Maybe we dont want to know too much about how quickly we will want to resettle, bc the excitement that comes with the first year is needed to power through all the changes and challenges. This is my 40th residence. Ive done this a bunch. But as I get older, I have less and less motivation to pack up and start all over from scratch. Of course it's never really from scratch, bc you learn so much about yourself and it should help you navigate the next move and avoid some of the frustrations.
Great content thanks for giving clear n honest feedback!
I am a slow reactor since I live in Portugal. We also moved here in Aug21 so almost two years and love it so much that we bought a house where we see ourselves for a 20years or so. That doesn't mean we stop travelling but our boys are at school and have also plans to succeed in the things they do. Maybe it is easier to have friends because of our children and the gatherings we have with the other parents. Besides we are active in the sport community were we also have our friends. For sure knowing the language does a lot and pretty hard to learn. With the knowledge of staying here for a long time it is necessary to learn it and communicate in Portuguese.
Congrats on reaching 2 years!
Thanks, Rhea! - Josh & Kalie
We guys finally made our first trip to Portugal starting at Lisbon for 6 days followed by Madeira for 3 days and landed in Porto on Monday. Was looking for you in the streets in Bolhao hoping to see you shooting some videos. So far we liked Madeira and Porto in that order but Porto seems to be a more happening place. Love Porto.
Great video. And love the nuance you brought here. See you in Portugal in 2023.
Thanks! We appreciate the love. See you in Portugal. Let us know when you're going to be here. - Josh & Kalie
@ Josh & Kaily Congratulations on completing two years stay in portugal! I have been watching your videos right from your D7 application process!
Well please make a video on renewal of TRP after yr second year.
Thanks for another great video!!!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching. - Josh & Kalie
I’m hoping our transition will be smoother. My wife and I already speak the language and we’re both in our late fifties, so our slowness will blend in with the Portuguese slow pace😆
Great video as always guys! Also love that you were able to make it to the Azores, been waiting on that video : ) Have you been living there with a car? If not, have you been finding it difficult to get around? Ill be making my scouting trip to the Azores soon.
As a Portuguese ex-pat resident, your video is quite accurate. We love it here, but it's not perfect. But where is? In short, they're a lovely people. PS if we need speedy medical attention for our kids, we go private, although even that takes ten days!
Thanks for the message, Jed. Nowhere is perfect and some places fit some people better than others. For example, we could stand the heat/humidity of Singapore and other's can't. It makes a world of difference. - Josh & Kalie
Last Spring I was in Algarve and went to the private clinic without an appointment. In 5 minutes I was meeting with a doctor... All I had was my passport... the nicest people in the world! (I do speak Portuguese.)
@@zairoart yes, we're in the Algarve too, and usually it took only a day or two to get a private doctor's appointment. Now it's longer, possibly because of staff shortages and also the fact the public system is creaking so they're also going private. Who knows?
I enjoyed your content. Thank you for your honesty.
🙏 Thanks, Scooter. We make videos for you. - Josh & Kalie
Small tip: if you are anywhere that isnt a hotel, airport etc, dont start blasting in your native or english language. ASK first if they speak it. You will be amazed. I work in a market and i hate when people assume i speak english. Its incredibly rude.
I really enjoyed your video as my wife and I are starting our search in our late 50's from here in the US, at possible places to retire to. The one thing that makes me nervous to hear is about the healthcare industry and the bureaucracy. What happens when you need surgery for something? Do they slow walk your care and treatment? That's the one major are of concern for me now.
Thanks, Bruno. The answer really is, it depends. Porto and Lisbon have some great infrastructure but the more remote you go, the more challenging it can become. Overall, Portugal's healthcare it great. Check out our video on emergency situations. It sounds like you'll find a lot of value in it. - Josh & Kalie
We are in the process of immigrating to Portugal. We went this past summer to check it out. I can say for sure that immigration is a very personal and emotional process. Good emotions and bad emotions. For sure, it is crucial to learn Portuguese. My wife had to go to the ER and I was pleasantly surprised how well the ambulance dispatcher and the EMT spoke English. But as soon as we arrived at the hospital, nobody spoke English. The doctor was a Russian guy who spoke no English. I had to call our AirBnB host to come help us. But it all worked out and the total bill including the ambulance was only 200 Euros. We should be there in the summer of 2013. So I have been learning Portuguese the best I can. Even though I immigrated to the US when I was 9 and lived in Germany and Austria for two years (and learned German) in my 20s, I still feel a little intimidated by the prospects of moving to Portugal.
You should be there in the summer "2013“? Have you built a time machine? 😉
Sergio, that's funny, man. 😁 😅
When you get to 2013, be sure to buy some Bitcoin and then come find me and tell me to forget about Stephanie. And then force me to buy Bitcoin as well.
I think this type of move is always a bit intimidating because of so many unknowns. Wishing you a successful relocation this summer. I love the videos here as I feel they provide a very honest look at what things are like vs sugar-coating the process. That is what makes these videos most helpful to those considering a move. Love Portugal and our experiences have been very positive as visiting parents to a son who is an ex-pat. He speaks Portuguese, we are beginners to the process as more knowledgeable of Spanish. No matter where we travel we always try to learn as many helpful phrases as possible as I think it is also an important part of the cultural experience. I find that most people in the countries we have visited appreciate the effort though our pronunciation may not be right on target.
I understand your frustration but I think you are very brave and lucky to live in Portugal. Despite the burocracy there is a sense of calm that you won’t get in Spain or Italy. If you come up north like Ireland you will have to face different kind of problems. Fair play to yous and all the best. ❤
Thanks, Rosa. Don't get us wrong, we feel completely blessed to be here. We used to live in Spain and we agree, the bureaucracy is worse for sure. 😅 - Josh & Kalie
I dig your videos. Keep em coming!
Thank you! Will do. 💪 - Josh & Kalie
Good video you two I enjoyed it very much
Thank you! 🙏 - Josh & Kalie
If you have private healthcare insurance the wait times go down and English speaking Drs readily available. It takes 575hrs to become fluent in Portuguese, one of the easier languages to learn. You’ve been there 2 years
Great info. Regular life as it differs from the USA, …do you use pay via credit cards or cash? …banking international or local? …online shopping safe or “lost” shipping? …dependable construction workers showing up (for when you buy property)? Health insurance costs (and dental/vision)? Paying taxes? Dependable utilities like electrical grid, internet, drinking water? Are you taking Portuguese speaking classes in Portugal? Would you consider Valencia, Spain?
I am curious what other countries are you considering to expat that? As someone who has not actually made the jump yet to move to PT, but is scouting in the spring.....Always looking for other options and why ......especially from people who have seen the world much more than I have.
so please tell me which country is "perfect" so i can move there.
I really like this video, it is honest and fair. I struggle a lot with communicating in Portuguese. However, first, when we say "bureaucracy is worse", I believe it really isnt. I think most of those who complain haven't had to experience the bureaucracy associated with being an immigrant anywhere else. I know a lot of would-be immigrants to other, English-speaking countries, and really, here is much kinder, more straightforward, and the desk-officers one meets much much more accomodating. I think too we can't complain that people in public services don't speak English so much. Nor do they speak Mandarin, nor German, nor other languages. Portuguese speaking taxpayer have paid for and built their public services, and it is only fair that Portuguese speakers are employed by them. Portuguese language is an essential feature of living here, like the beaches, the mountains, the food, the weather. We immigrants need to be prepared to learn (and I find it really really hard), but also cost in hiring translators and representatives to deal with public bodies, go to hospitals wih us as part of what we do. No criticism of Expats Everywhere, you are a really helpful inspiration, I love the three of you.
Thanks for the love, B Cooke. It's no major complaint as some people infer. It's more of a wake up call to those before they move here. A lot of people in the comment section don't get that, but in the end, the video wasn't made for them. We're doing it for the people that don't know and aren't here and maybe realize that if these little things bother them, then they shouldn't move here. In saying that, it's not to discourage but it is to prepare. Again, thanks for the message. 😊 - Josh & Kalie
I have ALWAYS been a slow eater. So slow, my family members would leave me alone at the table. In traveling to Europe, it was one thing I loved, oh, can now eat slow for real. 😊
since you are already 40% of the way and D7 visa (i assume u used) you could just spend 6 mo's of the year in other places and 6 months in Portugal to finish it out if you wanted to stick thru till citizenship for the next 3 years, right? maybe would also help appreciate Portugal a lil extra?
If they are getting the new 3-year renewal it only allows for the same absence period as the 2-year. That is 6 months consecutive, or 8 months interpolated over the 3-year period.
@@JonesTravelers I see! Yeah I'm not well versed on D7. I don't think I would do D7 unless I knew for sure I could stay in Portugal for 8 months/year. I think now that covid-craze is over the want/need for most to get out is a lot higher than ever before.
We love to travel but Portugal is home so we're not looking at living here part-time and somewhere else part-time. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks for the video. Always enjoy your work. Do you think having a health care concierge would help with the system?
You're welcome. Thank you. It could certainly help but at some point like us, you'll want to try to do it yourself. You know? Kalie thought she had it, and didn't. 🤣 - Josh & Kalie
Hi. What does a healthcare concierge cost? Thanks
@@grant5059 I'm not sure what Serenity charges right now. It was around $10 a month but we're not sure right now. Some insurance companies have built in concierges to their offering so it's included in whatever you normally pay. - Josh & Kalie
Hey guys! Congrats on 2yrs in Portugal!!. I've been watching and learning about the country thru your videos for about 8mos...great content!!! Since you brought up the language, are you still taking "Portuguese with Carla" courses? I tried connecting to take her courses but I haven't been able to connect. This could be because I'm a Florida resident who have some internet issues since the last "two" hurricanes😳🥴!! I looked for Carla's latest videos and saw only one recent video and the lady didn't look like the same lady in previous videos! I'm retired and very interested in the Algarve. Do you think expats in that area feel the same frustration in encountering non-English speaking natives? Wishing you guys the very best...wherever you are in the world!!!
Algarve has many foreigners such as English, Germans and Nordics and the level of English is much higher than the rest of Portugal as it is a tourist area Algarve has many foreigners like English, Germans and Nordics and the level of English is much higher than the rest of Portugal as it is a tourist area and many retirees from northern Europe
@@Luckyamor I appreciate your info. Thank you for the reply! It is helpful.
Hi, N R Smith. Thanks for watching. We're still using Portuguese with Carla and making good progress. We did have a period where we didn't find enough time to study but we're back to 30 minutes or so a day. Try this link journey.portuguesewithcarla.com/offer-collab/?ref=7 to join The Journey.
Regarding Algarve, the comment that I pulled and showed in the video was someone having an issue at a hospital in Algarve. In the service/hospitality industry, it's going to be super high levels of English, but outside of that, it could be the same issues as discussed in the video although let's be honest, it's not issues you run into everyday. It's like once a month kind of stuff. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere I appreciate you taking the time to reply. You guys are the best and such an inspiration! I will definitely use the link you sent me for Carla! I plan on a 3-4 week visit to Portugal beginning March 24, 2023!! I want to have a few lessons b4 arriving there! I have played your video (at least 1000 times) where you met Carla and her husband at the park and answered her questions in Portuguese! It's great practice for me.😊 I will email you with a couple of questions...on several subjects.🙄🤭 I might have to book consultation time with you...your time/knowledge is valuable and your experience is priceless!! Thanks again! Stay positive, remain great and all the best to the entire family!💯🤍
I bought the Timekettle Translation earbuds solely for the purpose of medical use. An emergency in Spain helped me make the sleep to get these. Take a look. I am on day 3 and wow.
These look really interesting, thanks for sharing!
Sounds cool, Jeff. - Josh & Kalie
Now I'm nervous about permanently relocating from Calif. to Portugal (Algarve area.) We're retired and in our 60's and, I assume, we'd need private healthcare to go along with our aging and age related illnesses that may pop up along the way. I think I'd better start learning Portuguese now. I know the Brazilian Port. is easier to learn/speak. Does it work with the Portuguese bureaucracy? or is that still a huge slow down? I also wonder about caregiving and assisted living needs in Portugal if they arise. You're too young, but do you have any brief insights on that aspect of a permanent move?
Sorry to disappoint you, but the option of moving permanently to Portugal, with caregiving and assisted living needs is an absolute NO. In reality, those who take care of the elderly, in their homes or in nursing homes facilities, are people who do not speak English at all - they are poorly paid, with little literary education and there are many, many Brazilian emigrants, originating from a country where the level of English is far below the one that exists in Portugal.
If you want to come to the Algarve while still having autonomy this is a good option - you can make friends with English speaking residents, there is a large community of English pensioners. And with regard to communication problems in English in the medical sector, I am surprised, because everyone (younger than 50 ) has studied English for many years, and the doctors certainly know how to have a conversation in English - as for the administrative staff, it can surely happen that the communication is not as fluid as you would like
@@Maria-js9ou Thank you so much for giving me some insight. We're both fine, but we're in our sixties. So, a permanent move now would be fine, I'm just not sure how we'd do aging there. If I learn to speak Portuguese, we should be okay, it's the health care system itself that I'm unsure of. I'm going to have to do some serious research. Take care.
If you’re moving to Portugal, then learn European Portuguese. Why would you learn Brazilian? 😂
@@Nicole-km3bd I already speak Spanish fairly well, so, I guess the European way would be best. However, "if" I speak Spanish, or Brazillian Port., can I get by?
Hey Alison, if it's the case of "getting by", English is perfectly fine, but if you want to assimilate, it's best to learn European Portuguese. It's not that hard for English language speakers from an objective point of view. - Josh & Kalie
Well, as a german biologist and gardener with some linguistic skills I learned just to stay away from tourists and most expats after staying over 5 years abroad. Most of those people with their attitudes and interests are unbearable for me and I even pretend to not understand English or German when they try to approach me or try to find a tourist guide for free. After studying cultural anthropology too I just feel ashamed how they are imprisoned in their own environmental bubble wherever they go.
I'm sure they are devastated not having such cheerful company such as yours to enrich their lives.
That's not nice !
Love your channel guys. Not speaking Portuguese and trying to meet more Portuguese people is linked. I am Mexican so Portuguese is not my first language. However, I speak Portuguese (very well in accordance with Portuguese people!, perhaps it is true, lol). That makes life and social life much much easier. You will not change the fact that in non-hospitality services are not fluent in English, but you can learn Portuguese. Is not that hard, believe me. Best!!!!!!
I thought this was a fair and balanced presentation from an expats point of view. I’m glad I watched it. Some viewers (their comments) read too much into this video. Keep up the good work!
😉 You clearly get it. 😁 We appreciate hearing this feedback. 💪 Thanks for watching. - Josh & Kalie
¡Gracias!
De nada, Seamus. Thank you for the channel support. - Josh & Kalie
Thank you
Yep- coming in the comment section to say: if you are having issues with language barrier in a country that you have moved to, learn the language. You say “it’s not that easy guys, these aren’t words you normally use..” Well, learn them properly so they will be something you normally use.
The entitlement people in the US have for others to speak English is unfair.
First, of all, nice profile pic.
Second, it's not just US people. In Portugal's context, go down to Algarve and speak to foreigners and see what nationality has the entitlement. Very few Americans that we know not care about learning Portuguese.
Third, English is the universal language. It's a blessing and curse for Americans and Brits. But the reality is that English is a universal language and that's why we talk about it because if a Japanese person watching our content and they know English, they're not going to expect a person in Portugal to know Japanese but they'll "expect" them to know English and that'll make a difference in their stay. Does that make sense? If a German and Japanese swap countries, it's English that's going to be their common language. - Josh & Kalie
If I am not wrong, because of your work, you rarely use the Portuguese language. Also, in the private sector, most people speak English, even the native people. So just going to a course to learn a language is not going to help,
Important point of view!
Thank you. - Josh & Kalie
Americans are so very used to at that the rest of the world has to speak English, and as world travelers shoudn’t be an expectation because the same is experienced by foreigners in USA, struggling and getting frustrated by not being understood or kindly helped by the majority of americans. It is a cruel reality for non English speakers. Imagine how asians, africans struggle in Portugal because they might not even speak English. As foreigners are asked to speak English in USA every inmigrant in Portugal must lern the language.
It's downright entitled to not learn the language of the country you're immigrating to.
Visit Miami (USA), a lot of people speak 0 english and expect you to speak Spanish everywhere. No one asks you to speak English.
@@kirillkolesnikov566 been to Miami and the people we encountered there spoke and understood English it wasn't perfect but enough.
@@ann28 try calling a plumber here, lol.. or get your hair done… I recently visited a dentist who spoke and understood 0 English. My point is it is not only American english speakers who wants everyone to speak their language but any language speakers as long as they represent a significant number of people in a certain area.
You have great plan👍.
Having EU and USA passport is great idea.
I moved to USA 40 yrs ago and remember how hard it was for the first 3 yrs. After I learned English it was piece a cake. I met wonderful people from my first day in USA. My daughter was born and raised in USA. Went to UConn. Since she had dual citizenship she did her masters in Germany (free education). She decided to move and live in Swiss so I left states. Now I’m planning to move to Portugal for my retirement. I wish you my best. Great video 👍
This was such a beautiful message to read. Thank you for taking the time to tell us a little piece of your story. Loved it! - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere
I'm glad you like my little story❤
@@hasppl9005 100% and would like to hear more! 😁
Strange that no one making these types vids commenting on the language gap never talks about live translation apps. Free and easy to use.
Visa process out of San Francisco has been very difficult. I think they are planning on a six week strike just as I am expecting to get it, but I probably won't.
The strike has been called off. Hoping you get your Visa soon.
How do you know it was called off? Where did you get the information?
Wow. Here's an exercise: go pick any of your videos 2 years ago, listen to that excitement and then watch this one again. Quite a difference. And yeah - SEF could do better job, and get a private health care it's cheaper in Europe and quite good.
😁 You're reading too much into this, Ward T. We like it though. - Josh & Kalie
Q for Kalie: one of my go to ways to build community & tribe as a woman (esp over the yrs when I was a traveling corp consultant) is yoga; i always find this a super welcoming & down to earth group of folks…are there yoga studios in the Portuguese isles that you have noticed at all? You may consider trying it if so - its a whole segment of the population that typically spans generations & has big open hearts wherever you go… xoxo (Ps I’m also a yoga teacher & have thought of teaching in retirement wherever we land… = )
If they went to live in the Algarve, they wouldn't have so much language problem, because the level of English is higher than in the rest of Portugal, where everyone has to speak English because it's a tourist area
I´m Portuguese, and I agree with most of what you said, but I don´t believe that in the medical system, people don´t speak English!!!, our medical staff is well educated so Inglish and French are almost a must, and not going to point Spanish, so at least they should speak 4 languages. How many Americans speak 4 Languages?
Also, it all depends on where you live...if you live in Porto...Porto is not an English destination because is almost bad weather most of the year. But if you go south of Portugal English is everywhere...
Another mistake that people do, is comparing a big city from USA with a town in Portugal, the services will be different.
You need to think in this, do you to live in a safe place, Yes Portugal, you want to eat other than burgers and pizzas, yes so Portugal, you want to have FREE health care, yes so Portugal, you want a place without racism, yes so Portugal, you want to live in a cheap place, yes so Portugal.
People talk about bureaucracy...have you try Spain ? Do you know that Portugal had to wait 5 years for Spain to put their paperwork ready so both go to the EU at the same time...
I was in Australia for 10 years, and now that I work on line...Portugal is the best choice and I live in Algarve...
Hi K&J-I really love these honest videos that don’t describe how wonderful everything is. So I thank you for this and encourage more. 👍🏻
Having lived for many years in Italy (and visited um-teen times), I can replace your use of Portugal with Italy-and it would be correct as well. I found most of the services that cater to visitors/tourists in Italy absolutely must know other languages (not just English) for survival. Government employees? Yeah-who cares? What’s the point? The frequency of a visitor/tourist is not that high. Besides, they have a secure government job that they’ll have for life. Actually, I find it odd that industries that cater to visitors/tourists in the US (like a hotel) don’t speak anything but English-unless they happen to know another language anyway.
In terms of staying in PT-you MUST, MUST get that EU/PT passport for yourselves and Cia. Time will fly and three years ain’t much. Also recall, laws can always change. IOW, what’s true today may not be true tomorrow.
‘Underwater basket weaving’ 🤔 Not bad. Where do I sign up? 😂
Thank you, Maurice. It's was a little scary getting into the comment section this morning. 😅
Oh yea, it's crazy to hear people in the tourism industry effortlessly float between English, French, Portuguese and Spain.
We thing with English being the universal language, it's a blessing and a curse for Americans, Brits, and Aussies (and Kiwis). Canadians don't seem to have as much of an issue because of their ties to French. South Africa has a ton of languages too.
Sign up at your local YMCA 🤣 - Josh & Kalie
I have been living in China for 25 years, you should come and see how fast people are here. They push you out from a restaurant before you finish your meal for a next customer.
We've been. :-) - Josh & Kalie
Why do all Americans expect English to be spoken?As a European, I appreciate the culture of the respective country and I want it to be preserved. Also the language. Adapt!
It's not an expectation of Americans. It's that English is the universal language. It's easy to conflate the two considering American and Brits are native speakers of English but when a Japanese person moves to Germany for work, they're going to be okay relaying on their English skills before acquiring German. Just the same, when a Portuguese moves to Switzerland, they can use English until they learn French, Italian, German, or Romansh. Although, let's be honest, the Portuguese person probably knows French and can quickly adapt to Italian. If a Dutch person moves to Greece....we could go on and on. The point is that English is the Universal Language and that's what we're trying to point out to the viewers because our audience isn't just Americans. - Josh
"How many languages do you speak?"
I'm not surprised anymore to know that English speakers very often don't know any other language.
You are guest in Portugal and you should speak the language of the locals and not the opposite. Try to do an effort 👌
The Portuguese NHR system is a no-brainer. There are no better deals in Europe, and this one has a run time of ten years! No wonder their economy is taking off, the Portuguese are smart.
Thanks for your input. - Josh & Kalie
Bit of a rant I know but its just frustrating to hear this all the time on multiple Expat/digital nomad youtube channels.
It seems that a lot of planning and prepping is put into the move...but nobody decided to learn the language. Encountering people in a foreign country that speak your language is great but if they don't, it shouldn't reflect negatively on the country or its people. To your example, government and medical workers in Portugal are there to service the 15 million Portuguese citizens, its not on them to learn English or French or German or any of the other languages that make up the 100k or 500K expats from any number of countries.