Joe McCann was the poster boy of the Official IRA. An iconic photograph of him at a burning mills went around the world. Shot by the British Army in 1972. Gusty Spence, of the UVF, sent his window a sympathy card section 🇮🇪🥁🇬🇧
I remember them, mostly street thugs with a Leninist ideology, everyone knew the WP and Officials were the same people, We hated both with a passion where we lived in west Belfast but ironically the WP were absolutely spot on regarding the troubles, I think it was Cathal Goulding that said 'he was right to early, Adams was right to late'.
@@utregsoulnorh715 What's it called? Could be worth digging around online to see if any other copies exist. Would you consider uploading it if its watchable? The IRSP/INLA aren't given enough attention by people studying The Troubles and the Irish struggle more generally, especially given how promising Seamus Costello was in his ideas before being gunned down in his prime, before properly getting started. Also given the impact they had when you compare them in size to the Provos. Then again, the media (as well as academia and other sources) seemed to pay them far less attention in general compared to the Provos when covering Republicanism.
@@timalloy3775 Aye I've read that. I think that the IRSP themselves might have published a book about the origins and history of their party and so I'll buy a copy of that if it is finished. As for media on the INLA, there isn't much out there beyond news reports on some of the major events they were known for (i.e the murder of Rat Billy Wright but earlier stuff too, as well as some stuff on the split/feud with the IPLO). No decent documentaries that I'm aware of though and of course anything that comes from the MSM is going to be biased but to an outside observer, the conflict looks more like the Provos/Sinn Fein vs the British state and the various Loyalist terror groups but the ideological framework of the IRSP/INLA are worthy of study in understanding how complicated the conflict was (as in, some people would understand it on the basis of "Catholics vs Protestants" or "Irish vs British" alone, when it was far more complicated and there was much ideological debate. Richard English's book 'Armed Struggle - The history of the IRA' seems to point this out more than the book on the INLA, particularly when he speaks about the IRA prisoners studying Marxist, anti-colonialist and other theory while the leadership on the outside were moving towards the ceasefire and lacking (or abandoning) any revolutionary theory. Seamus Costello's intentions for the IRSP/INLA were to unite the workers of the north and cut through the sectarianism from the beginning, following in the footsteps of Connolly, and the way that the history has been written is convenient for the ruling class in making the narrative far more basic and simple than it was. Anyway, I went on a rant but this is why I wondered if there were any decent docs on the INLA/IRSP and particularly their origins. Seamus Costello is one of Ireland's greatest revolutionaries IMO but is largely forgotten, due to the PIRA and Sinn Fein dominating the war and the headlines.
grim times -- what is often overlooked were the dangers in reporting these stories - and filming these documentaries -- press journalists reporters camera crew writers ........ // credit for showing again ... three times had friends from both sides who had friends relatives who were victims - like almost no-one was not affected by it who lived there for period of time .... worked in tv movies for forty years ....
It’s almost a parody to open with a complaint about people celebrating the men who made them free almost 50 years before this was filmed. They won and the British didn’t, simple fact.
@timalloy3775 my uncle was oira murdered by the provies in 1975, he was shot 13 times in front of my granny who was only 45 years old herself, she had 12 children and died 6 years later of a broken heart. My uncle on the same year he died became all Ireland champion boxer he also trained the young people in holy family boxing club and he was murdered for his political beliefs, he believed in integrated education he believed we needed to reach our hands out to the Protestant people and 50 years after his murder these are things I also believe in.
Because the unionist dominance in the north was so total that they decided which jobs Catholics could have, and as you can imagine, the unionist dominance meant Catholics were often unemployed by the unionist industrialists, and even when we WERE given jobs, it was on the proviso that we never spoke out, and did all the menial thankless jobs that the unionists saw as beneath them. Don't forget, they also controlled that allocation of housing too, so Catholics were not only denied jobs, but denied housing, and without a house we weren't even afforded a vote... The corruption and inequality was unbearable, hence the armed struggle. You really should read more about it if you're going to ask such shortsighted questions.
Does anybody know anything about Sean Potts who was shot dead in Belfast in 1975...according to this documentary during the OIRA and IRSP feud....I never heard of this man...I never heard of him
@@jackietreehorn5561 Ah thanks....like most books........Tho a friend from Belfast gave me a new book about the IRSP/INLA written by the movement themeself....think is more correct...thanks again....yous from Belfast too ?
Knew some southern WP and DL people in the 1990s, they were angry people who hated northern nationals more than the Brits did. They were the whole time trying to justify themselves
Old joke; First thing on the agenda at any IRA meeting is the 'split'.....😆 the new, improved 20% extra IRA are feuding with the No really, we are, really, really IRA.
It wasn't as simple as that. There were genuine differences of opinion concerning strategy, tactics and ideology. For example, the INLA split from the Stickies (Official IRA) over the question of armed struggle and with the wider Sinn Fein dominated movement of physical force republicanism which would refuse to take any seats elected to the Dail (Free State - unrecognised by Republicans for the most part) or the house of commons in Westminster (British parliament). And the Provisional IRA split from the Officials largely over ideological differences but also on the question of armed struggle: the Officials took a more left-leaning line, leaning more and more towards Marxism-Leninism, whereas the Provos were more nationalistic and in a sense "conservative". For example, they were referred to as the "Rosary Brigade" by some in the Stickies and later by some in the INLA due to Catholicism being a significant part of their Irish Nationalist identity, or because some of their leading figures were close to their faith - I'm not sure how valid the criticism was or if it was merely a slur. Another key reason behind the emergence of the Provos though was that they felt that the Stickies - stuck in Dublin and not on the ground in the north where Irish Catholics/Republicans were being murdered, the pogroms etc. - were not paying enough attention to the emerging troubles and, while there were differences in strategy, ideology and tactics in the abstract, there were legitimate reasons for the Provos to break off in order to actually fight back against the oppression in the north. In any case, it is important to understand that while all of the IRA groups (including the INLA as they split from the Stickies) held up the Proclamation which called for a 32 County Socialist Republic, the IRSP/INLA took an openly Marxist-Leninist line, whereas the Provos were not as such guided by ideology to that extent. It still isn't that black and white though, as there were many within the Provos that were Marxists, Marxist-Leninists and so on and in the gaols, they studied revolutionary literature extensively. It was the leaders of the Provos/Sinn Fein on the outside who eventually went towards "democracy" via the Good Friday Agreement, but they never seemed to have a firm ideological grasp in the way that the INLA or the OIRA did. Anyway, the point is that there were many reasons for these splits and they went far beyond mere one-upmanship and it would a disservice to understanding the conflict by understanding it in such a way.
was no cause for the kkk culture off loyalists as they never had a land that was took. Loyalist drug kkk culture gangs look up 2 a Dutch man who was gay and when with a underage girl
@timalloy3775 my uncle was oira murdered by the provies in 1975, he was shot 13 times in front of my granny who was only 45 years old herself, she had 12 children and died 6 years later of a broken heart. My uncle on the same year he died became all Ireland champion boxer he also trained the young people in holy family boxing club and he was murdered for his political beliefs, he believed in integrated education he believed we needed to reach our hands out to the Protestant people and 50 years after his murder these are things I also believe in
Orders given From the mountains of deep inside underground iraq several thousands miles away via miltary communication bunker busters was dropped onto these bases - facilitys gulf x2 war
Thanks a lot for all the great information / your video uploads. 👍👍👍
Joe McCann was the poster boy of the Official IRA. An iconic photograph of him at a burning mills went around the world. Shot by the British Army in 1972. Gusty Spence, of the UVF, sent his window a sympathy card section 🇮🇪🥁🇬🇧
R.I.P. Joe McCann. Not forgotten 🙏
Bad men get what they deserve
Ur man is lied so much he’s sweating buckets 😮
Lies
One of the first Irish republican songs I heard was about big joe. I was 8 years of age
I remember them, mostly street thugs with a Leninist ideology, everyone knew the WP and Officials were the same people, We hated both with a passion where we lived in west Belfast but ironically the WP were absolutely spot on regarding the troubles, I think it was Cathal Goulding that said 'he was right to early, Adams was right to late'.
The red IRA tbey were not nice
That Castle court ad; probably blew place up out of general principles....
Are there any decent documentaries on the IRSP & INLA, from Seamus Costello, up to the IPLO feud, to the GFA and beyond?
I have got one on tape tho not really good quality
@@utregsoulnorh715 What's it called? Could be worth digging around online to see if any other copies exist. Would you consider uploading it if its watchable? The IRSP/INLA aren't given enough attention by people studying The Troubles and the Irish struggle more generally, especially given how promising Seamus Costello was in his ideas before being gunned down in his prime, before properly getting started. Also given the impact they had when you compare them in size to the Provos. Then again, the media (as well as academia and other sources) seemed to pay them far less attention in general compared to the Provos when covering Republicanism.
The book Deadly divisons is probably the best you will get on them
@@timalloy3775 Aye I've read that. I think that the IRSP themselves might have published a book about the origins and history of their party and so I'll buy a copy of that if it is finished. As for media on the INLA, there isn't much out there beyond news reports on some of the major events they were known for (i.e the murder of Rat Billy Wright but earlier stuff too, as well as some stuff on the split/feud with the IPLO). No decent documentaries that I'm aware of though and of course anything that comes from the MSM is going to be biased but to an outside observer, the conflict looks more like the Provos/Sinn Fein vs the British state and the various Loyalist terror groups but the ideological framework of the IRSP/INLA are worthy of study in understanding how complicated the conflict was (as in, some people would understand it on the basis of "Catholics vs Protestants" or "Irish vs British" alone, when it was far more complicated and there was much ideological debate.
Richard English's book 'Armed Struggle - The history of the IRA' seems to point this out more than the book on the INLA, particularly when he speaks about the IRA prisoners studying Marxist, anti-colonialist and other theory while the leadership on the outside were moving towards the ceasefire and lacking (or abandoning) any revolutionary theory.
Seamus Costello's intentions for the IRSP/INLA were to unite the workers of the north and cut through the sectarianism from the beginning, following in the footsteps of Connolly, and the way that the history has been written is convenient for the ruling class in making the narrative far more basic and simple than it was. Anyway, I went on a rant but this is why I wondered if there were any decent docs on the INLA/IRSP and particularly their origins. Seamus Costello is one of Ireland's greatest revolutionaries IMO but is largely forgotten, due to the PIRA and Sinn Fein dominating the war and the headlines.
Wasn't their something on RTE?
For a guy that claims to be all 'above board', John Lowry sure does sweat a lot in interviews
@endacurrin. Too much gargle
grim times -- what is often overlooked were the dangers in reporting these stories - and filming these documentaries -- press journalists reporters camera crew writers ........ // credit for showing again ... three times had friends from both sides who had friends relatives who were victims - like almost no-one was not affected by it who lived there for period of time .... worked in tv movies for forty years ....
We are now the majority Catholic. United Ireland is approaching. TAL32🇮🇪
@@jazzhands7771 I’m a proud Roman Catholic and Republican. What’s your point?
The south is gonna be majority Muslim and foreign born
do u think every catholic will vote for unity with the south. wise up. upper classes wont as they happy with status of the north..
The bias is pretty mental
Really over the top.
Do you know anything about the Red IRA?
It’s almost a parody to open with a complaint about people celebrating the men who made them free almost 50 years before this was filmed. They won and the British didn’t, simple fact.
They were called the stickies because at Easter parades they wore sticker like Easter lilies and provos used pins to wear them
The army of the people 🎶
Rejected by the people more like,they have done nothing for the nationalist community.
@timalloy3775 my uncle was oira murdered by the provies in 1975, he was shot 13 times in front of my granny who was only 45 years old herself, she had 12 children and died 6 years later of a broken heart. My uncle on the same year he died became all Ireland champion boxer he also trained the young people in holy family boxing club and he was murdered for his political beliefs, he believed in integrated education he believed we needed to reach our hands out to the Protestant people and 50 years after his murder these are things I also believe in.
VSS -fifth Shaf shuffle
These are incredible mate, thank you for upoading them. Used some un my university work, is it get_iplayer you use for the recent BBC stuff?
Did the paramilitaries interfere in everyone's business? Why did they go telling people who they could employ?
Because the unionist dominance in the north was so total that they decided which jobs Catholics could have, and as you can imagine, the unionist dominance meant Catholics were often unemployed by the unionist industrialists, and even when we WERE given jobs, it was on the proviso that we never spoke out, and did all the menial thankless jobs that the unionists saw as beneath them.
Don't forget, they also controlled that allocation of housing too, so Catholics were not only denied jobs, but denied housing, and without a house we weren't even afforded a vote...
The corruption and inequality was unbearable, hence the armed struggle.
You really should read more about it if you're going to ask such shortsighted questions.
Wasn’t wrongly assuming
Does anybody know anything about Sean Potts who was shot dead in Belfast in 1975...according to this documentary during the OIRA and IRSP feud....I never heard of this man...I never heard of him
he was shot and died in 1975 as far as i can remember
He is not in the book Lost Lives,and neither in the book INLA deadly divisions ?,I knew quite a lot people in the RSM ,but also never heard of him
@@utregsoulnorh715I remember reading that book and some names and places were incorrect I seen from local area I was from
@@jackietreehorn5561 Ah thanks....like most books........Tho a friend from Belfast gave me a new book about the IRSP/INLA written by the movement themeself....think is more correct...thanks again....yous from Belfast too ?
Its Sean Fox
26+6=1
Knew some southern WP and DL people in the 1990s, they were angry people who hated northern nationals more than the Brits did. They were the whole time trying to justify themselves
It was interesting to me to see how many offshoots that the IRA had, each one attempting to trump the others in terms of legitimacy.
Old joke; First thing on the agenda at any IRA meeting is the 'split'.....😆 the new, improved 20% extra IRA are feuding with the No really, we are, really, really IRA.
All 5 off them....
It wasn't as simple as that. There were genuine differences of opinion concerning strategy, tactics and ideology. For example, the INLA split from the Stickies (Official IRA) over the question of armed struggle and with the wider Sinn Fein dominated movement of physical force republicanism which would refuse to take any seats elected to the Dail (Free State - unrecognised by Republicans for the most part) or the house of commons in Westminster (British parliament).
And the Provisional IRA split from the Officials largely over ideological differences but also on the question of armed struggle: the Officials took a more left-leaning line, leaning more and more towards Marxism-Leninism, whereas the Provos were more nationalistic and in a sense "conservative". For example, they were referred to as the "Rosary Brigade" by some in the Stickies and later by some in the INLA due to Catholicism being a significant part of their Irish Nationalist identity, or because some of their leading figures were close to their faith - I'm not sure how valid the criticism was or if it was merely a slur. Another key reason behind the emergence of the Provos though was that they felt that the Stickies - stuck in Dublin and not on the ground in the north where Irish Catholics/Republicans were being murdered, the pogroms etc. - were not paying enough attention to the emerging troubles and, while there were differences in strategy, ideology and tactics in the abstract, there were legitimate reasons for the Provos to break off in order to actually fight back against the oppression in the north.
In any case, it is important to understand that while all of the IRA groups (including the INLA as they split from the Stickies) held up the Proclamation which called for a 32 County Socialist Republic, the IRSP/INLA took an openly Marxist-Leninist line, whereas the Provos were not as such guided by ideology to that extent. It still isn't that black and white though, as there were many within the Provos that were Marxists, Marxist-Leninists and so on and in the gaols, they studied revolutionary literature extensively. It was the leaders of the Provos/Sinn Fein on the outside who eventually went towards "democracy" via the Good Friday Agreement, but they never seemed to have a firm ideological grasp in the way that the INLA or the OIRA did.
Anyway, the point is that there were many reasons for these splits and they went far beyond mere one-upmanship and it would a disservice to understanding the conflict by understanding it in such a way.
same with the planters
@@the_local_bigamist Interesting comment and write up Comrade.
They are still to this day a criminal gang.
was no cause for the kkk culture off loyalists as they never had a land that was took. Loyalist drug kkk culture gangs look up 2 a Dutch man who was gay and when with a underage girl
Really? What have they done to be deemed criminal?
@garystevenson8222 Read the book -The Lost Revolution: The Story of the Official IRA and the Workers' Party.
@timalloy3775 my uncle was oira murdered by the provies in 1975, he was shot 13 times in front of my granny who was only 45 years old herself, she had 12 children and died 6 years later of a broken heart. My uncle on the same year he died became all Ireland champion boxer he also trained the young people in holy family boxing club and he was murdered for his political beliefs, he believed in integrated education he believed we needed to reach our hands out to the Protestant people and 50 years after his murder these are things I also believe in
Go piss on paisleys plot ya quisling.
Could this be any more one sided? 😂😂😂😂😂
Orders given From the mountains of deep inside underground iraq several thousands miles away via miltary communication bunker busters was dropped onto these bases - facilitys gulf x2 war
They further left than sinn fein wonder if they no what a woman is lol
These dont menuvore without lots of hot cash pumped into it
the organisation who finiaces there military will be promptly declared on
Rusty guns
Nope
o no no
Wasn’t wrongly assuming