that was every bloody week for mee in the mid 80's when i was a keen matchman... grinding out 3lb of silver on a terrible venue... end peg getting 25lb etc... wonder why i did it some weeks.. but... good on you i admire your effort.. ..
Magnificent performance from a real ballbreaker draw Jon. My old idea of handicapping the peg would have seen you win by a street. Nearly tripled most of the weights off that peg. Says a lot.
HI Jon,that video sums up match fishing to a tee,lots of effort for very little reward but that is what makes the good days extra special,i enjoyed the video as i like to see live matches and the process you adopt to overcome all the obstacles that are there and maybe next time you might be the angler who catches roach from the start, thanks for the video and 200% for effort.
Good stuff, Jon. I do enjoy your live match films. Thames pike don't play by the rules. I fished a club match at Appleford the other week. I arrived very late (up half the night with food poisoning due to using some mince I'd had in the fridge for too long) and figured I couldn't catch the others up with small fish, so sat it out on the feeder. After a few small roach, the tip pulled right round and I hooked something proper. It was a slow, plodding fight and I was looking forward to seeing a decent bream surface. When it finally did, it was a pike of 5 or 6lb. Killed my swim pretty well stone dead and that was my lot. Took three reds, too. Not even a worm.
Imust admit that fishing 16M for most of the match deserves a medal. Not the best swim as well. Well done Jon, 3lb07oz is more than I think I could have dream't of. Great to watch the constant switching swims to try and catch a fish. Thanks again.
Another fantastic video Jon, always enjoy watching you. Unfortunately you can't win them all can you especially if you're on one of the poorer pegs but you still prove your a better angler than most mate👍
@JonArthur you could always go fish it again and change a few things I'd even consider you taking your lure rods you could shoot a couple different videos there's definitely 1 pike worth catching you've had it twice already 🤣🤣🤣
I remember fishing a team match on the upper Bristol Avon years ago where every one around me was complaining of minnows, and so was I, but in the end I fished for them with a whip, and caught I think 360 of them, that weighed in 2lb 5oz, which together with 3 bonus roach that turned up in the last 15 minuets, that added another 1lb 6oz, so I finished 2nd in my section of 16 with 3lb 11oz. I fed about a pint of maggots, but I recon I could have fed a gallon and they would still come back for more !! luckily there were no pike to seen. Cheers.
I remember a national on the Severn when Ray Mumford fished in our team He weighed in 3lbs odd of minnows and told me he just went for them from the off. I was team captain and suppose I should have been upset about it, but you have to trust a guy like that's instincts. He probably would have dropped me if he'd been skipper . LOL.
Ah the Upper Thames. From memory it looks a million dollars but isn't !! My memories are millions of gudgeon plus the odd ( very ) roach and perch. Hard to win on bleak even back then as they were so tiny. Tadpole and Eaton Hastings were favourite venues for my old Rugby Legion of Anglers club.
@@JonArthur Never fished it Jon. Last fished the Thames at Clifton Hampden back in 1977 !! Caught about 20 pounds of roach and then moved to Yorkshire and my fishing changed like it was another country !! Six years later it was as I moved to Perth in Western Australia but never forgot and did fish a few times on trips back to England and Rugby. Love these videos as "you" always catch a few and it's never cold wet and windy on the settee in front of the TV. Keep up the good work and keep this 80 year old amused !!
Thought I'd like to suggest something that's been in my head for around 50 years. I once got Alan Haines , then editor of Angling Times to tentatively agree to give the idea some coverage, but he changed his mind without really taking it all in. Here it is. I'm 80 now, play golf most weekdays instead of fishing. Dont think I could see my float properly or hold a pole at full stretch for five hours any more ( even though mine's only 14 metres). So I've got no interest in pursuing the idea. But for a nominal few quid levy per match - whatever you come up with and a set number of matches to count - it needs a bit of consensus before it could start. Here's what I was thinking. Time for a change. 60 years after I first match fished, it's still all about the draw bag. Back in the 1970s, I came up with a way to determine the REAL Match angler of the year. Back then of course we had the numbers that match fishing doesn't have today. But we didn't have today's technology - which would make the idea so easy. The solution ? Handicapping. Not the anglers, the pegs. Let's take a typical stretch of river. A few flyers that win all the matches. Say 20lbish each match. That's the par figure. Others might produce 5lbs or 3lbs or whatever. Once again, that's the par. 100 percent for achieving the target weight or percentages plus or minus. Most clubs have record enough or organisers with the ability to allocate weights per peg to start with. A season long competition with a massive payout to the winners - based on a portion of pools money carrying over (and maybe an entry fee of some kind.?). With a centralised computer to upload results to run by the organiser of the scheme. There might be some overheads there. Again, that's for consensus via discussion. It wont be perfect to start with and will need river conditions and seasonal changes taken into account to keep tweaking the system as it develops. But it can be done with all computers, internet and mobile phone/camera technology we.ve got today. No longer relying on a lucky dip into the bag - but a real reason to flog away at a no hoper peg. The match is still won in the normal way on the day, but the money carried forward is the real big inducement. I wonder if anyone will give it a go ?
It's a nice idea in principle. That's probably why I don't play golf ha ha! It always amazes me, however, that fishing is one sport where most people (not myself) seem to want a less even playing field. The peggier the venue the better the attendances. Fairer venues put off a lot of average anglers who feel they are less likely to win against those who are either venue regulars or technically better anglers. It's a shame but that's how it seems to me...
@@JonArthur I never played golf when I thought the idea up Jon, I used to fish Winter Leagues and Nationals and Opens . The carp lakes were in someone else's head. With my idea, you'd still win off the flyer - nothing changes with the match payout. But if you won with 30ilbs off a normal 40lbs peg, you'd only get a 75% rating against you for the match. The carry over of the annual contest would only be paid out and decided at the end of the year, although it'd need a certain number of matches to count. Either an upfront charge, or affiliated matches with a portion of the pools rolled over. Your perfomance off that peg would have got you in the region of 200%. You wouldn't have got a pickup - but you'd have been a hard act to follow and great points in the rollover competition
Well done Jon, that made my back ache watching you fishing at 16m, you made the most of a bad peg proving your skills by tripling the average weight, do you ever use red worms on the river or just lobbies?
Jon, why are you using the mtx3? My 3 is almost impossible to use at 16m,it flops around like mad and cupping in is useless with the bend it must drop bait 50cm shorter but yours looks a lot stiffer are you just using the butt section with the old 4 ultra sections?
It was a chance discovery after forgetting my MTX5 16m section once, that the MTX3 16m is rock solid and great up the back of the MTX5 14.5m. Ideal for whacking into bites, slapping etc
Signal crayfish eat all the spawn. It's 20 years since I fished the upper Thames or the tributaries, but it was the same back then. It looks like the bottom's moving. The few chub that survive spawning get huge eating them - on the Thame you could get them over 6lbs, but all the roach shoals just disappeared overnight. You'd get one and think you were going to bag up and never see another during a match. Hope its improved since I moved away. The rivers need something like the fabulous Avon Roach Project. Those boys are ( were RIP ) true heroes. Streets better than the Environment Agency who only seem to care about licence money
It probably is but they are probably nocturnal, but I know lots of rivers my way that look solid but aren't. There are lots of big chub, but they don't get big by being stupid and probably feed at 4.01pm!
The more I fish the Thames and Cherwell the more I fear for future fish stocks as the crayfish must be eating countless spawn. However, it was refreshing to see so many gudgeon!
One of the finest anglers on the planet, keep em coming jon 🐟
I totally agree with you on that mate
Ahh that's very kind. Lots better than me but I try my best thats all
I was knackered just watching that John.....what a great effort in a terrible peg
Thanks for watching. Wouldn't say it was terrible, just challenging
Once again proper fishing thank you
It's all fishing 🤣
Good effort Jon, hard working for the team 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks 👍
that was every bloody week for mee in the mid 80's when i was a keen matchman... grinding out 3lb of silver on a terrible venue... end peg getting 25lb etc... wonder why i did it some weeks.. but... good on you i admire your effort.. ..
Glad you enjoyed it and it brought back memories
Lot of work there Jon, good effort in a tough spot.
Thanks 👍
Thoroughly enjoyed that.
Thank you kindly!
Thank you, John enjoyed watching this 😁🎣🤘
No problem 👍
Very hard work for you Jon, as you said for little gain, keep them coming, Thank you,
Thanks for watching
Great perseverance Jon on a tricky peg, fishing 16 meters, boats, pike and crayfish to contend with, I think you did a good team job! Well done!
I tried my best :-)
Thanks, Jon. You always call it as it is, a professional post as ever.
I appreciate that!
Well Done Jon awesome watch learnt lots like always! Godbless you Brother 🙏👍🎣🐟💯
Thanks Richard
Great effort Jon. Well fished.
Cheers for watching
Well done jon, really enjoyed it, good weight from awful peg. Good luck in next match.
Glad you enjoyed it
Glad u got your top kit back . Good see even the best have moments
I always check my bigger sections every 40 mins or so shipping in and out, but not the top three!
Magnificent performance from a real ballbreaker draw Jon. My old idea of handicapping the peg would have seen you win by a street. Nearly tripled most of the weights off that peg. Says a lot.
Thanks for watching
HI Jon,that video sums up match fishing to a tee,lots of effort for very little reward but that is what makes the good days extra special,i enjoyed the video as i like to see live matches and the process you adopt to overcome all the obstacles that are there and maybe next time you might be the angler who catches roach from the start, thanks for the video and 200% for effort.
Thanks for watching
That was impressive, you can only fish what you draw.
Cheers for watching
Great effort Jon you fished for the team but the bonus fish weren't there. Glad to see you back happy again ,keep smiling .
Appreciate that thanks
Great video to watch Jon. Thnx.
Thanks 👍
Thanks Jon much appreciated
No worries
Good stuff, Jon. I do enjoy your live match films. Thames pike don't play by the rules. I fished a club match at Appleford the other week. I arrived very late (up half the night with food poisoning due to using some mince I'd had in the fridge for too long) and figured I couldn't catch the others up with small fish, so sat it out on the feeder. After a few small roach, the tip pulled right round and I hooked something proper. It was a slow, plodding fight and I was looking forward to seeing a decent bream surface. When it finally did, it was a pike of 5 or 6lb. Killed my swim pretty well stone dead and that was my lot. Took three reds, too. Not even a worm.
Thankfully they aren't as numerous as Avon pike!
Loved this one Jon thanks
My pleasure
Imust admit that fishing 16M for most of the match deserves a medal. Not the best swim as well. Well done Jon, 3lb07oz is more than I think I could have dream't of. Great to watch the constant switching swims to try and catch a fish. Thanks again.
Cheers for watching
Love all your vids Jon ,keep it up 😊😊
Glad you like them!
Them pike love a worm even big pike. Top man as usual john great vids
Pesky pikes!
Been nice to see what it costs Jon on these types of matches always a great watch from a class angler
Cheers Michael
Another fantastic video Jon, always enjoy watching you. Unfortunately you can't win them all can you especially if you're on one of the poorer pegs but you still prove your a better angler than most mate👍
Thanks for watching
Brilliant video Jon i reckon you got the best out of that swim on the day
Maybe, but we'll never ever know...
@JonArthur you could always go fish it again and change a few things I'd even consider you taking your lure rods you could shoot a couple different videos there's definitely 1 pike worth catching you've had it twice already 🤣🤣🤣
Fruit on the side tray!!!🤣 You've changed Mr Arthur
🤣🤣
all that needs to be said is well done you worked hard for that
Cheers for watching
That's Clanfield for you Jon, but as usual you made the very best of it.
I tried
I remember fishing a team match on the upper Bristol Avon years ago where every one around me was complaining of minnows, and so was I, but in the end I fished for them with a whip, and caught I think 360 of them, that weighed in 2lb 5oz, which together with 3 bonus roach that turned up in the last 15 minuets, that added another 1lb 6oz, so I finished 2nd in my section of 16 with 3lb 11oz. I fed about a pint of maggots, but I recon I could have fed a gallon and they would still come back for more !! luckily there were no pike to seen. Cheers.
If I ever had to specifically fish for more than two minnows (just to save a blank) I would give up! :-)
I remember a national on the Severn when Ray Mumford fished in our team He weighed in 3lbs odd of minnows and told me he just went for them from the off. I was team captain and suppose I should have been upset about it, but you have to trust a guy like that's instincts. He probably would have dropped me if he'd been skipper . LOL.
Tough one for you Jon. But it still made enjoyable watching.
Thanks Allan
Well done Jon 👏👏
Not something i wud fancy doing 😬
It's always enjoyable beside the river, no matter what you're faced with
Fair play Jon, you worked for that!
Thanks Jay
As long as you have one minnow more than anyone else👍
Cheers for watching
Great video as per usual
Cheers for watching
Good to know MTX topkits float for a bit. It will give me a bit of time to think instead of diving into the lake like I saw somebody do recently
Most kits should float for a bit so long as the elastic connector is flush to the PTFE bush, holding the air in
Good video Jon
Thanks Pete
Ah the Upper Thames. From memory it looks a million dollars but isn't !! My memories are millions of gudgeon plus the odd ( very ) roach and perch. Hard to win on bleak even back then as they were so tiny. Tadpole and Eaton Hastings were favourite venues for my old Rugby Legion of Anglers club.
Thanks Roger, I think the Radcot section is the best bit
@@JonArthur Never fished it Jon. Last fished the Thames at Clifton Hampden back in 1977 !! Caught about 20 pounds of roach and then moved to Yorkshire and my fishing changed like it was another country !! Six years later it was as I moved to Perth in Western Australia but never forgot and did fish a few times on trips back to England and Rugby. Love these videos as "you" always catch a few and it's never cold wet and windy on the settee in front of the TV. Keep up the good work and keep this 80 year old amused !!
I think this real fishing and not carp puddle angling . Thank you John. ❤
Glad you enjoyed it
Thought I'd like to suggest something that's been in my head for around 50 years. I once got Alan Haines , then editor of Angling Times to tentatively agree to give the idea some coverage, but he changed his mind without really taking it all in. Here it is. I'm 80 now, play golf most weekdays instead of fishing. Dont think I could see my float properly or hold a pole at full stretch for five hours any more ( even though mine's only 14 metres). So I've got no interest in pursuing the idea. But for a nominal few quid levy per match - whatever you come up with and a set number of matches to count - it needs a bit of consensus before it could start. Here's what I was thinking.
Time for a change. 60 years after I first match fished, it's still all about the draw bag. Back in the 1970s, I came up with a way to determine the REAL Match angler of the year. Back then of course we had the numbers that match fishing doesn't have today. But we didn't have today's technology - which would make the idea so easy. The solution ? Handicapping. Not the anglers, the pegs. Let's take a typical stretch of river. A few flyers that win all the matches. Say 20lbish each match. That's the par figure. Others might produce 5lbs or 3lbs or whatever. Once again, that's the par. 100 percent for achieving the target weight or percentages plus or minus. Most clubs have record enough or organisers with the ability to allocate weights per peg to start with. A season long competition with a massive payout to the winners - based on a portion of pools money carrying over (and maybe an entry fee of some kind.?). With a centralised computer to upload results to run by the organiser of the scheme. There might be some overheads there. Again, that's for consensus via discussion. It wont be perfect to start with and will need river conditions and seasonal changes taken into account to keep tweaking the system as it develops. But it can be done with all computers, internet and mobile phone/camera technology we.ve got today. No longer relying on a lucky dip into the bag - but a real reason to flog away at a no hoper peg. The match is still won in the normal way on the day, but the money carried forward is the real big inducement. I wonder if anyone will give it a go ?
It's a nice idea in principle. That's probably why I don't play golf ha ha! It always amazes me, however, that fishing is one sport where most people (not myself) seem to want a less even playing field. The peggier the venue the better the attendances. Fairer venues put off a lot of average anglers who feel they are less likely to win against those who are either venue regulars or technically better anglers. It's a shame but that's how it seems to me...
@@JonArthur I never played golf when I thought the idea up Jon, I used to fish Winter Leagues and Nationals and Opens . The carp lakes were in someone else's head. With my idea, you'd still win off the flyer - nothing changes with the match payout. But if you won with 30ilbs off a normal 40lbs peg, you'd only get a 75% rating against you for the match. The carry over of the annual contest would only be paid out and decided at the end of the year, although it'd need a certain number of matches to count. Either an upfront charge, or affiliated matches with a portion of the pools rolled over. Your perfomance off that peg would have got you in the region of 200%. You wouldn't have got a pickup - but you'd have been a hard act to follow and great points in the rollover competition
Getting closer to my home and club water Jon, let me know if you will be fishing Lechlade through Buscot at anytime.
I actually had to detour via Lechlade Sunday night when the A34 was shut!
well done jon
Thanks Denis
Looks a hard swim to be honest Jon but you know my bro
I probably made it look even harder than it had to be ha ha
thx
You're welcome
Well done Jon, that made my back ache watching you fishing at 16m, you made the most of a bad peg proving your skills by tripling the average weight, do you ever use red worms on the river or just lobbies?
I tend to save any redworms I have for skimmer fishing venues
Jon, why are you using the mtx3? My 3 is almost impossible to use at 16m,it flops around like mad and cupping in is useless with the bend it must drop bait 50cm shorter but yours looks a lot stiffer are you just using the butt section with the old 4 ultra sections?
Also are the cupping kits all the same throughout the range and should I get the better one if they are different,to use with my original mtx4?
It was a chance discovery after forgetting my MTX5 16m section once, that the MTX3 16m is rock solid and great up the back of the MTX5 14.5m. Ideal for whacking into bites, slapping etc
They are all the same I think
@@JonArthur I've kept my 3 as a spare pole for those times I don't want to risk my 4 in bad weather etc
I hope that groundbait additive was tere d'Arthur & not turd Arthur Jon!
Hopefully I picked up the right bucket!?
@@JonArthur I heard all the anglers downwind packed up early 😆
Where the Trent video go,just started watching and it's gone off,was really looking forward to seeing you on the Trent
It had a few black screen glitches so needs re-uploading
@@JonArthur good stuff,looks like a great video on the best river in the world (to me at least)
Hi Jon, was the Newbury AA Steve Pallett you were fishing for?
Yep I think so
@@JonArthur He is a good angler. NAA President. 👍🏻
Crayfish are a right pain,slow take over the rivers
Yes the unseen problem
@@JonArthur won't do anything about it ,but still happy take money for rod license
Could you not have put that pike in the net until the weigh in Jon then put it back before you weigh your fish in?
Maybe but its not something Id ever do as I don't want them eating my minnows!
Go fish that peg come December
Sounds good! Chub o clock!
3 lb 7 when you worked less hard for 300 on a carp waters
Probably a busy fool on the day. Should've sat and watched a quiver tip!
Why aren’t there many fish in what looks like it should be full of 3 lb chub and bream
Signal crayfish eat all the spawn. It's 20 years since I fished the upper Thames or the tributaries, but it was the same back then. It looks like the bottom's moving. The few chub that survive spawning get huge eating them - on the Thame you could get them over 6lbs, but all the roach shoals just disappeared overnight. You'd get one and think you were going to bag up and never see another during a match. Hope its improved since I moved away. The rivers need something like the fabulous Avon Roach Project. Those boys are ( were RIP ) true heroes. Streets better than the Environment Agency who only seem to care about licence money
It probably is but they are probably nocturnal, but I know lots of rivers my way that look solid but aren't. There are lots of big chub, but they don't get big by being stupid and probably feed at 4.01pm!
The more I fish the Thames and Cherwell the more I fear for future fish stocks as the crayfish must be eating countless spawn. However, it was refreshing to see so many gudgeon!