I'm disabled, both physically and mentally, and I much rather people stopped using disabled people as inspiration p*rn, were educated about how NOT to touch a person's wheelchair or any equipment without asking, were taught sign language at schools, and internalised how options = accessibility = great for the disabled = great for everybody; than police every single word they use to avoid offending the disabled and feel good about themselves without actually doing anything else to help out.
right? how about my fellow disabled people get decent health care, can get married without losing benefits, actually able to travel and fly without damaging our mobility aids, create more accessible spaces, before policing language!!
Ana NAILED that reply about the ableist thread. As someone who is physically disabled that first part was making me want to yell “no no no no!!”. Ana’s reply was perfect and is pointing out the issue with labeling certain words are actually ableist. Let’s also focus on things that are actually important for disabled people such as our lack of marriage equality, the threats to our equipment when we fly, the statistics regarding SA and assault against our community.
Yessss the thread about "ableist" words. In one of my educator groups they shared certain words that we shouldn't use due to their colonist history. While I agreed with some of them (like not using slurs or referencing racial stereotypes), there were others that I think depend entirely on context. For instance, the word "discover" was listed as a word we shouldn't use. In the context of European colonizers "discovering" North America, absolutely, that word should not be used. But I don't think it's so cut and dry. What about scientific discoveries? Or saying you "discovered" a great new podcast? I definitely think language is important and as an educator I want to use inclusive language that reiterates respect for all learners, but that list rubbed me the wrong way. It smacked of well intentioned white people trying to make the work of anti-racism easier on themselves.
This is interesting, thanks for sharing! "Discover" is a great word but not appropriate for colonizing. It's definitely intent and context. Sometimes the pendulum has to swing too far so we know how too far is when we're figuring it out
At some point it goes from hey this is a slur or is very harmful to policing language in a weird way that feels like infantilism and false allyship. My favorite incident of this occured when I said x should go fly a kite because I was around children and someone went ugh that's so 2006 ableist language despite the phrase means to f off in a polite manor.
@@RissyReads12291229 they cited that people with disabilities would struggle with it as they're differently abled and it makes fun of autistic individuals for they would be more inclined to enjoy the activity before getting over stimulated. It was very much a moment of a person seriously just said that how on earth do I respond without laughing. It didn't help differently abled makes my skin crawl from the infantilization.
On the ableist words discussion - It's another way of policing and simplifying concepts that cannot be simplified. Honestly, all of these "Musts and Dos" (and "Shouldn'ts and Don'ts") that are coming out from Twitter carry such weak, reductive reasoning. Another thing to keep in mind is how languages constantly change and evolve, and their meanings change. Some words may have a negative root but we should look at the way it's currently being used. A word like 'silly' originally meant 'happy' before people began to use it in a sarcastic way. 'Nice' used to mean 'foolish' or 'simple'. It's a completely natural process. We need to be careful about the language we use, yes, but also keep context and nuance in mind instead of mindlessly hopping on a new bandwagon. How is this person using these words? Who are they referring to?
I saw a thread similar to the one in the video on Instagram and the poster said that "dumb" and "lame" are ablist terms. But we don't use those words to describe people who can't speak or walk anymore. Context matters.
@@lydiawalker0714 Actually dumb is still being used on those people. I still hear it in my day to day activities as it's used on me, my sister, my friends (we are all Deaf)
The statement "People with autism don't experience empathy" is outdated and harmful idea. There are actually a lot of people with ASD that experience increased empathy to the point where it can be overwhelming. I should know since I'm one of them.
Great video as always! Seeing the "never mention ability" conversation happen now again is really interesting. Feminist disability scholars like Barbara Hillyer and Susan Wendell were arguing against removing ability references from language way back in the 90s, so the conversation is at least that old. For me personally, this degree of ableist language policing has "differently abled" energy. It's annoying at best and really infantilising at worst. I don't need to be protected from hearing about things I can't do, and if someone tells me to touch grass because they don't know I'm housebound, well, maybe I could do some self-reflection and consider ordering some astroturf.
If you want real grass they have puppy patches you just have to water them. Ships straight to your doorstep in multiple sizes. I'm not even kidding it's a real product and just a smaller version of turf used post construction to give a house a yard again.
I'm glad you talked deeply about the list of words that can be seen as ableist. I think sometimes as allies people try to do The Most. I have OCD and sometimes people will say "I'm so OCD" and then remember I have it, panic, and try to apologize, and it makes the whole situation incredibly awkward when I honestly would not have noticed if they had just said it and moved on. By assuming that every person with a certain condition is going to be harmed by the use of one single word, we make human communication so much harder than it has to be at times. Of course words are important, but maybe if those of us who can touch grass indeed did touch grass, it would be easier to see what really matters, which is the way words connect us, not the way they disconnect us.
um, re "can't read" and blindness... I am a *huge* reader and blind and whoa, bad take there. Blindness has a lot of degrees, and also what is "read", cause I would say audiobooks count. Also for the empathy: I'm autistic and an empath, as in I tend to pick up on other people's emotions and internalize them, and I'm hyper-empathic to non-human things. And I could go on. The important thing is to 1) use words that we know are bad on a societal level (the r-word, for instance), ones on a group level, and then on an individual level. For instance, I personally don't care if you say "are you blind" to someone when they like...don't see/realize something. But I get really upset when I even see the word "hysteria" because it was weaponized against me, and while people using "stupid" *around* me is fine, don't ever use it to refer to me personally (or really any autistic and/or ADHD person). The most important thing is to *listen* to disabled people and their own views when interacting with them. Just like in the queer community, there isn't an absolute consensus of the disabled community. So many people (disabled included) are guilty of assuming that their opinion/experience = the universal experience (or at least majority experience) and...it's not. At least not always. Look, in an accidental situation I know I've like...commented on the wrong video before, or sent messages to the wrong person. But man, with professionals???? It's so absurd. Wow. And even worse re Blackout. That is so offensive. Also I think you might have convinced me to pick up that book: I don't really like short stories but if they're all intertwined then I might like it better.
as someone who is Deaf, Dyslexic, has Visual Impairments & multiple other disabilities - 'Can't read' .. i.e duh can't you read what I just said? Was the kind of thing that 'cant read' was used for. So it was meant as a dig, to make the person feel bad. And it was used so often on people like me as we type differently (we type in BSL - British Sign Language) so we do misunderstand messages sometimes but to get that phrasing thrown at us is like .. ugh no, just no So it's not an ableist word, but the phrase that uses that word is ableist
@@p.dunmore16 oh sure and I totally understand it being ableist in that context. But this is the first time I've heard it with blindness included, because yeah - the general use of the phrase *is* ableist in that it assumes you are unable to understand...but blindness doesn't affect comprehension (I mean, as someone with a ton of neuro stuff, I don't think it's right to say that being neurodivergent has to either either, but at least I can understand what they mean?). To me, in their attempt to warn for ableism, they went too far and ended up even more ableist to blind peeps.
It’s so difficult because I know a few deaf people (use hearing aids and can hear enough for most situations), one of which is my boyfriend. And if I don’t hear something he will 100% say ‘omg are you dead’ or ‘which one of us is disabled?’ But I know that wouldn’t be okay with other people. Therefore… I don’t say it on the internet with people I don’t know being able to see it, because I don’t want to offend people. But then if I wasn’t super aware of these things I might (and probably would) think that these things are okay to say, as they’re not offensive to the disabled people I know.
Urgh! I got shivers! As an autistic person who is also an empath, I am literally salting about that statement right now. That's so rude and stupid/idiotic to write as if someone with a disability wouldn't be able to be hyper-aware of other peoples emotions etc. Oh yeah it talked about the word "idiot" too. Do you know what the most stupid thing would be? To prohibit people from speaking out the felt truth. If someone is an idiot, tell them, because how else should they know? If no one tells you, you will be like "Oh I am fine and good and all is sunshine and rainbow." even if you keep on walking over people. Yeah, some... "SOME" people use the words lightly, but it's only SOME! If you prohibit someone from speaking certain things... let me tell you about WW2 and Nazis and Kommunism also trying to silence certain words. How was that? Exactly, not good. Just remember nothing is perfect, accept it y'all. Greetings from germany and SaltyChickOnCouchDuty.
"Blackout" got the last laugh since the Obamas just bought the rights to turn it into a series on Netflix. Now there's definitely no excuse for a mix-up anymore.
As an autistic person with ADHD I agree… unfortunately disability “activists” have a problem with simplifying ableism, and this list is a good example of that. Context matters when it comes to disability and labeling everything as ableism without nuance does much more harm than good to the community as a whole.
The thread of the list of "ableist” words reminds me of the livestream discussion last week regarding lost of context on Twitter. I think there are definitely instances where certain phrase can be used to degrade disabled people (eg. Telling an autistic person they don't have empathy or that mentally ill people to "touch grass" when they can't control their mental illness). But like everything else, the context is important. Saying a word is bad is way too generalized and lacking in context in which that word/phrase is used. Yes there are definitely certain phrases that shouldn't be used (eg like using OCD when one is referring to being simply fussy about something), but some phrases on that thread really seem to be neutral on their own, but when used in a context to degrade disabled people then it is unacceptable.
I bought my husband a book about the Olympics as he loves Olympics trivia and statistics. The picture in the book that they used for Michael Phelps was someone dressed as him for Halloween. Not only does this person not look like Michael Phelps, they also are clearly wearing fake gold painted cardboard medals around their neck, they are standing in a kitchen and have someone dressed as the Joker behind them! They are clearly as a Halloween party. How did this make it to print?!
That sounds like a joke someone stuck in an early draft of the layout like "lol I'll put that picture of Joe from the Halloween party in for a laugh" that no one caught! Like did they not hire any proofreaders??
You zooming in on Nigel's tiny teeth was just the right energy I needed to get through today. All these cases of mistaken identity in rapid fire succession has me thinking that there must be SOMETHING going on. Like....come on! You are surrounded by the internet and you literally couldn't take 2 seconds to find a picture of the right person or book???
My biggest problem with conversations with language is that people end up saying, "You shouldn't say that word." I mostly don't like that because I don't think words like "crazy" or "touch some grass" should ever be held to the same level as words that legitimately should not be used by the masses like racial and homophobic slurs. I feel the same way about swear words. Sure, people in society might consider them rude, but people have this, "You shouldn't say the f-word" attitude. Swear words haven't been used as a form of hate the way slurs have been. I'm not a historian, but I don't think anyone has ever been murdered after being called a "motherfucker" the same way people have been continually killed because of their sexuality or the color of their skin.
As a person who has adhd, TRUST ME when i say that i do not consider the word 'lazy' to be one that is specifically geared towards insulting/oppressing me or people like me????
Completely agree. My nephew is autistic. He's not aware of some things but he's so intelligent in other matters and does in fact feel empathy. He's always asking "Are you okay?" So, Empathy isn't an an able or not able thing. Another thing, we can't call any specific word able-ist. Some terms are obvious but other words completely depend on the context. The main issues aren't even words said it's tone of the person and the context in which they're said. People should be cautious and think before saying things to others. Asking themselves..."Is this offensive?"
i agree with ana. there is nuance. that being said if i went the rest of my life without being called lazy for being disabled i wouldn’t complain lmao. i think that also like you said “if i was talking to someone with adhd” it kinda goes into like. people shouldn’t have to give others a list of their disabilities in order to not get shit for having a disability. there is nuance but i think instead of not using those words being aware of those words when they’re being used is important.
I think many of the points made in the ableism thread (with regard to the ones you pointed out - I haven't seen the thread myself) are good points for discussion. For instance, I recently saw a thread about whether laziness actually exists, and it's something I'm myself running into myself (am I just inherently lazy, or is there something more going on). However, I think the main point of discussion is that when you, for instance, say "touch grass", you're not saying that this person doesn't deserve respect. Same with some of the other ones. I fully agree that everyone deserves some basic form of respect as a living being, but within that you can still say that people are out of touch with reality, and I feel like these two things are on completely different levels.
I think there's a massive difference between lazy due to mental health or illness reasons and lazy because they just don't want to ie person not applying for jobs because they're struggling currently versus the I don't want to work spoiled child mentality.
I had this whole rant going in my head on the disability language discourse, but then Ana Mardoll's responses basically sum it up lol. The photo mix-ups are so cringy and harmful, aren't these big orgs supposed to have social media managers just for this kinda stuff?
"We'll do better next time" uwuwuwuwu You should have done better this time?? Shit like that shouldn't be happening. An entire publishing company and nobody double checked it was the right cover? Nobody at Barnes and Nobel who looks over social media posts? Tiffany D. Jackson is LITERALLY holding her own books with her name on them! Zoom in!! Absolutely ridiculous, cannot believe stuff like that is still happening.
I myself don't like the word lazy most of the time- not when someone is going "oh lazy kitty", or saying "I'm having a lazy day" but whenever someone says "you're not doing blank because you're lazy".... Laziness like that doesn't exist. People don't know, or don't understand or they don't have the ability, they aren't lazy. Its when you use it as an insult or something like that, that is where ableism comes from. I am hesitant to say "oh just don't use lazy for people w ADHD" or similar bc. You don't know everyone who has disabilities/neurodivergencies, and you don't know what limitations everyone might have. Just avoid using it for other human beings
Jess, if your SD card has stopped emptying properly, you may have to start going into your camera settings under format and clear it manually each time. There are tutorials you can look up to do this, but you can totally still use that SD card!
Thank God for that second thread about abelist words, because I while I do realize the first person was trying to help, that thread is very "every word can be ableist" to me.
I really don't get how the hell Blackout even happened. And the ableist thread totally goes too far by taking common every day terms (that aren't ableist and aren't intended to be so) and giving them a meaning they don't even have
Regarding the mistaken identity section of this video: Besides doing their due diligence, some folks need help in distinguishing one POC over another. We all don't look alike. And the whole Blackout fiasco... REALLY! Like, how in the hell would a Candace Owen's POS book be on the list? *shakes head*
I'm just... flummoxed at the fact that they couldn't get the images right for either Adam Silvera or Dhonielle Clayton (and by proxy Tiffany D. Jackson)! Holy snap, my goodness, they couldn't have looked up previous press releases or, as you said, the author panel inside the books? And then the book cover for Blackout. I think you can hear my eyes roll through the screen. There are not enough facepalms to justify this serious book faux pas.
See... I double and triple check my tweets to make sure they're as grammatically correct as possible (because I have a habit of mixing AAVE with SAE) and my wording is as clear n concise as I can get it. And I'm a nobody with 30 followers. How tf are you a whole magazine and you not double checkin' shit that goes into print?!
I am so so so hopeful they cast an actual fat actress in The Unhoneymooners! Some of the rare representation fat folks get in romance and I hope they stick to the book in that regard!
To be honest, I went through a period as a grown ass adult where I used the word "stupid" as a comma. I was going through a very stressful time and that's not an excuse because, as mentioned, I was a grown ass adult. I have stopped doing that. I'm trying to do better, be a better person and not put out so much negative energy
Just an explanation (not an excuse, research should be done) for the mixed-up pictures when it comes to magazines or newspapers. I write for both and in most cases I have little to nothing to with with pic selection/editing/layout. Depending on the assignment and the publication I mostly just hand in the text, some editors send a copy including pics before print, many don't. The editor will not have seen the book or engaged with it, if they don't pay attention or the pic is labeled wrong in whatever picture database they use, shit can happen. It is rare in my experience though, because it is such an embarrassing mistake, but it does happen.
What a mess with the Blackout books! I do want to read the Blackout anthology though. It sounds great! You at 21:10 is me anytime anyone checks her books out at the library I work at. 😂
Generally, don't use actual disorder names as insults or jokes unless you have the disorder. I can say "my OCD is acting up" because I have the disorder and I'm making a joke of it to add lightheartedness for myself, but I can't say I'm being bipolar because I don't have the disorder. Everything else like using crazy, idiot, dumb, lazy, etc. is a bit tricky, at least to me. Edit: Also Lindsey Ellis and Contrapoints made good videos on how cancel culture, which started off with noble intentions, can not only spiral out of control, but also put people in a traumatizing situation. Also you earned a like from me for that Candace Owens comment! Her face is even on the cover, so how did they mess that up?!
I come from Emily Caits channel, she mentioned you in her midyear vid. ^^ Seeing this video, I am so glad I don't touch twitter with a 10 foot pole... it is such a toxic ****hole.
Unrelated to this excellent video - that driving rain outside your window is hypnotic. Loved the low-level sound in the background, too. New filming spot is A+
This is completely unrelated to any of the wonderful work you do on this channel but what is the backdrop on your TV screen?! It's such a mood. I love it!
"Procedures this won't happen again." You mean get your editors to fact check before publishing? Something that should have been practiced already? What a concept! Check your work before publication! Wow those are some bad mistakes.
I feel like the most important thing about the whole ableism thing is thinking about what you're actually saying, because you can definitely say discriminating things without using "bad words". I've also heard people talk about their "inner monk" (like the tv character) which is not named in the list but harmful in similar way to OCD I'd say.
One of my beta readers for my forthcoming novel told me to remove every instance of a character calling someone "idiot" and "moron" because that's ableist. I understand the reasoning, but also felt it was true to the character--this privileged 16yo girl who has never had to think about that stuff would probably use those words. I did end up changing it, though...
In the future it might be best to either fire the beta or go your concerns are noted but the character would use this languages but I'm happy to have a sensitivity reader look at it in the future
I understand how you feel but if what words your character uses feels true to the character it would be wise to listen to yourself. Beta Readers will always have their own opinions and not everyone will like your use of words and how you portray characters but don't ever give them the power to change the story the way you feel would be wrong for the story your trying to portray or the characters you have created. Dialogue is important, words are important as they have the biggest impact and readers will see your hesitance to use certain words. As your character thinks everyone's an idiot or a moron but she doesn't say it out loud to others, doesn't back it up per say, doesn't have that venom and showing through action and words what she thinks of people it will make her fall flat. That will make readers think about her differently than what you want readers to think of her. If your making a privileged A**hole or racist character who actually thinks people are idiots and morons and are beneath them you have to make them believable. I wish you luck with your novel.
As someone who have ADHD some people don't understand that yes some part are hard for me but overcome them whlie other sometimes I helf know but other zreo but one thing is important not tell a person with ADHD, you don't look you have it or worse you pay for your ADHD (witch unfoulty I have experience a teacher tell that to me) because everyone who have ADHD have it in different levels or have other things for me example my ADHD is really high but also I have other stuff that make my life less easy than someone who don't have my disbtes with my ADHD so don't judge people who are different than you
As someone who has OCD I don't give a shit when people use it (except that one time...). But I can't speak for everyone else who has it. I'm also lazy and I'm cool with that.
Man this video hits home for me. Nearly every single term that is meant to be negative toward disabled people does not affect me at all. Call me stupid or a retard and I'll laugh right along with you. I know that not everyone has that mentality, but as you said, "Not everything is ableist."
And this is exactly why that list doesn't work because we all have different experiences as disabled ppl with ableism. Like I personally am triggered by the word r*tard while you're not, and someone else might be uncomfortable being called stupid or lazy while someone else isn't bothered by that at all. These lists aren't one size fits all and like Jess said not everything is ableist, and instead of focusing on this very surface level, almost performative anti-ableism we could be focusing on fighting actual ableism in our society. (Not saying that there aren't words that are ableist because there are and we should definitely be working on not using those words, but there are more pressing issues we face as disabled ppl)
@@JessOwens I just don't see how it would be an accident unless they're chronically incompetent and if that's the case... How do they even put on their shoes?
Blackout now being adapted by Netflix with help from The Obamas and the preorder gathering Thursday. I hope Blackout continues to prosper. The worst part about the Blackout situation has to be that Candace not even a fan of Black people 💀 complete contrast
Nothing to add, just here for the algorithm. Lazy animals are… how it should be, I mean, they should be lazy! It’s full-time job being a cat, or a dog or a donkey! 😊
All I'll say about Fall is that its dangerous as a trans person to fit into a binary. We have to define our own identity with what doesn't triggers us but instead bring us joy. I'm glad Fall is doing well and hope her next pieces go off!
Man, I take a few months away to deal with some health issues and you get a Patreon and paid promotions???? 😍 I am so happy for you! Can you share the link to the video playing on the tv in the background? It looks so soothing!
The story about the wrong photo of the author Adam Silvera, the photo on there i think is New Kids on the Block star Jonathan Knight's husband Harley Rodriguez....my friend Helen says that image isn't Harley. I don't know.
...listen, some I 100% understand. But if you do something stupid, Imma call your ass stupid, if youre lazy Imma call your ass lazy. People have to chill. All things like that original thread do is invalidate the good work people are actually doing when it comes to removing 'truly harmful language' from everyday use.
Oh! do you use a Mac / MacBook computer ? (random comment! haha) If you do, when you delete things off external storage, you need to empty your trash before it actually clears the space off your memory card /USB etc. (learned that the hard way) - Dunno if that's helpful! just thought I'd throw it out there just in case !
Yup makes sense! There is no definitive rules to anything in life! AND nuance does not exist online! Try as we might the message will be received differently by everyone. I think people REALLY just need to stop acting like they have all the answers and just SHARE their opinion.
-Checks into a new video -Sees a million people arguing about ableist words -Checks out. I know our fellow disabled people LOVE to say they'd rather work against "real" ableism or whatever than "police language" but some of us are tired of being thrown under the bus by you lot.
Anyway the whole autistics and empathy isn't cut and dry, many autistics have alexithymia which by definition would mean they don't really feel empathy and/or know when they're feeling empathy like with any other emotion.
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I'm disabled, both physically and mentally, and I much rather people stopped using disabled people as inspiration p*rn, were educated about how NOT to touch a person's wheelchair or any equipment without asking, were taught sign language at schools, and internalised how options = accessibility = great for the disabled = great for everybody; than police every single word they use to avoid offending the disabled and feel good about themselves without actually doing anything else to help out.
right? how about my fellow disabled people get decent health care, can get married without losing benefits, actually able to travel and fly without damaging our mobility aids, create more accessible spaces, before policing language!!
Ana NAILED that reply about the ableist thread. As someone who is physically disabled that first part was making me want to yell “no no no no!!”. Ana’s reply was perfect and is pointing out the issue with labeling certain words are actually ableist. Let’s also focus on things that are actually important for disabled people such as our lack of marriage equality, the threats to our equipment when we fly, the statistics regarding SA and assault against our community.
Yessss the thread about "ableist" words. In one of my educator groups they shared certain words that we shouldn't use due to their colonist history. While I agreed with some of them (like not using slurs or referencing racial stereotypes), there were others that I think depend entirely on context. For instance, the word "discover" was listed as a word we shouldn't use. In the context of European colonizers "discovering" North America, absolutely, that word should not be used. But I don't think it's so cut and dry. What about scientific discoveries? Or saying you "discovered" a great new podcast? I definitely think language is important and as an educator I want to use inclusive language that reiterates respect for all learners, but that list rubbed me the wrong way. It smacked of well intentioned white people trying to make the work of anti-racism easier on themselves.
This is interesting, thanks for sharing! "Discover" is a great word but not appropriate for colonizing. It's definitely intent and context. Sometimes the pendulum has to swing too far so we know how too far is when we're figuring it out
At some point it goes from hey this is a slur or is very harmful to policing language in a weird way that feels like infantilism and false allyship. My favorite incident of this occured when I said x should go fly a kite because I was around children and someone went ugh that's so 2006 ableist language despite the phrase means to f off in a polite manor.
@@ayajade6683 What the heck is wrong with "go fly a kite"???
@@RissyReads12291229 they cited that people with disabilities would struggle with it as they're differently abled and it makes fun of autistic individuals for they would be more inclined to enjoy the activity before getting over stimulated. It was very much a moment of a person seriously just said that how on earth do I respond without laughing. It didn't help differently abled makes my skin crawl from the infantilization.
Oh wow. Yeah, some things really depend on context
The blackout mixup…I’m stunned. It’s beyond egregious and I also have NO idea how that could even happen.
On the ableist words discussion - It's another way of policing and simplifying concepts that cannot be simplified. Honestly, all of these "Musts and Dos" (and "Shouldn'ts and Don'ts") that are coming out from Twitter carry such weak, reductive reasoning. Another thing to keep in mind is how languages constantly change and evolve, and their meanings change.
Some words may have a negative root but we should look at the way it's currently being used. A word like 'silly' originally meant 'happy' before people began to use it in a sarcastic way. 'Nice' used to mean 'foolish' or 'simple'. It's a completely natural process. We need to be careful about the language we use, yes, but also keep context and nuance in mind instead of mindlessly hopping on a new bandwagon. How is this person using these words? Who are they referring to?
I saw a thread similar to the one in the video on Instagram and the poster said that "dumb" and "lame" are ablist terms. But we don't use those words to describe people who can't speak or walk anymore. Context matters.
Also it creates the idea that you can’t be ableist if you don’t use some words, which you definitely can
@@lydiawalker0714 Actually dumb is still being used on those people. I still hear it in my day to day activities as it's used on me, my sister, my friends (we are all Deaf)
The statement "People with autism don't experience empathy" is outdated and harmful idea. There are actually a lot of people with ASD that experience increased empathy to the point where it can be overwhelming. I should know since I'm one of them.
Yes! My son has ASD and just so much empathy.
I am as well and always have been 🙏
Great video as always!
Seeing the "never mention ability" conversation happen now again is really interesting. Feminist disability scholars like Barbara Hillyer and Susan Wendell were arguing against removing ability references from language way back in the 90s, so the conversation is at least that old.
For me personally, this degree of ableist language policing has "differently abled" energy. It's annoying at best and really infantilising at worst. I don't need to be protected from hearing about things I can't do, and if someone tells me to touch grass because they don't know I'm housebound, well, maybe I could do some self-reflection and consider ordering some astroturf.
If you want real grass they have puppy patches you just have to water them. Ships straight to your doorstep in multiple sizes. I'm not even kidding it's a real product and just a smaller version of turf used post construction to give a house a yard again.
@@ayajade6683 NICE. My cat is going to lose her mind over this...
I'm glad you talked deeply about the list of words that can be seen as ableist. I think sometimes as allies people try to do The Most. I have OCD and sometimes people will say "I'm so OCD" and then remember I have it, panic, and try to apologize, and it makes the whole situation incredibly awkward when I honestly would not have noticed if they had just said it and moved on. By assuming that every person with a certain condition is going to be harmed by the use of one single word, we make human communication so much harder than it has to be at times. Of course words are important, but maybe if those of us who can touch grass indeed did touch grass, it would be easier to see what really matters, which is the way words connect us, not the way they disconnect us.
I hate how "bipolar" usually being used in casual conversations, from trivializing the term to demonizing actual people
um, re "can't read" and blindness... I am a *huge* reader and blind and whoa, bad take there. Blindness has a lot of degrees, and also what is "read", cause I would say audiobooks count. Also for the empathy: I'm autistic and an empath, as in I tend to pick up on other people's emotions and internalize them, and I'm hyper-empathic to non-human things. And I could go on.
The important thing is to 1) use words that we know are bad on a societal level (the r-word, for instance), ones on a group level, and then on an individual level. For instance, I personally don't care if you say "are you blind" to someone when they like...don't see/realize something. But I get really upset when I even see the word "hysteria" because it was weaponized against me, and while people using "stupid" *around* me is fine, don't ever use it to refer to me personally (or really any autistic and/or ADHD person).
The most important thing is to *listen* to disabled people and their own views when interacting with them. Just like in the queer community, there isn't an absolute consensus of the disabled community. So many people (disabled included) are guilty of assuming that their opinion/experience = the universal experience (or at least majority experience) and...it's not. At least not always.
Look, in an accidental situation I know I've like...commented on the wrong video before, or sent messages to the wrong person. But man, with professionals???? It's so absurd. Wow. And even worse re Blackout. That is so offensive. Also I think you might have convinced me to pick up that book: I don't really like short stories but if they're all intertwined then I might like it better.
as someone who is Deaf, Dyslexic, has Visual Impairments & multiple other disabilities - 'Can't read' .. i.e duh can't you read what I just said? Was the kind of thing that 'cant read' was used for. So it was meant as a dig, to make the person feel bad. And it was used so often on people like me as we type differently (we type in BSL - British Sign Language) so we do misunderstand messages sometimes but to get that phrasing thrown at us is like .. ugh no, just no
So it's not an ableist word, but the phrase that uses that word is ableist
@@p.dunmore16 oh sure and I totally understand it being ableist in that context. But this is the first time I've heard it with blindness included, because yeah - the general use of the phrase *is* ableist in that it assumes you are unable to understand...but blindness doesn't affect comprehension (I mean, as someone with a ton of neuro stuff, I don't think it's right to say that being neurodivergent has to either either, but at least I can understand what they mean?). To me, in their attempt to warn for ableism, they went too far and ended up even more ableist to blind peeps.
It’s so difficult because I know a few deaf people (use hearing aids and can hear enough for most situations), one of which is my boyfriend. And if I don’t hear something he will 100% say ‘omg are you dead’ or ‘which one of us is disabled?’ But I know that wouldn’t be okay with other people. Therefore… I don’t say it on the internet with people I don’t know being able to see it, because I don’t want to offend people. But then if I wasn’t super aware of these things I might (and probably would) think that these things are okay to say, as they’re not offensive to the disabled people I know.
Urgh! I got shivers! As an autistic person who is also an empath, I am literally salting about that statement right now. That's so rude and stupid/idiotic to write as if someone with a disability wouldn't be able to be hyper-aware of other peoples emotions etc. Oh yeah it talked about the word "idiot" too. Do you know what the most stupid thing would be? To prohibit people from speaking out the felt truth. If someone is an idiot, tell them, because how else should they know? If no one tells you, you will be like "Oh I am fine and good and all is sunshine and rainbow." even if you keep on walking over people. Yeah, some... "SOME" people use the words lightly, but it's only SOME! If you prohibit someone from speaking certain things... let me tell you about WW2 and Nazis and Kommunism also trying to silence certain words. How was that? Exactly, not good. Just remember nothing is perfect, accept it y'all. Greetings from germany and SaltyChickOnCouchDuty.
"Blackout" got the last laugh since the Obamas just bought the rights to turn it into a series on Netflix. Now there's definitely no excuse for a mix-up anymore.
Hell yes 👏🏾
the fact that THESE PEOPLE'S JOBS IS BOOKS and they don't proofread/double-check basic things like author photos and book covers?!!!
As an autistic person with ADHD I agree… unfortunately disability “activists” have a problem with simplifying ableism, and this list is a good example of that. Context matters when it comes to disability and labeling everything as ableism without nuance does much more harm than good to the community as a whole.
The thread of the list of "ableist” words reminds me of the livestream discussion last week regarding lost of context on Twitter. I think there are definitely instances where certain phrase can be used to degrade disabled people (eg. Telling an autistic person they don't have empathy or that mentally ill people to "touch grass" when they can't control their mental illness). But like everything else, the context is important. Saying a word is bad is way too generalized and lacking in context in which that word/phrase is used. Yes there are definitely certain phrases that shouldn't be used (eg like using OCD when one is referring to being simply fussy about something), but some phrases on that thread really seem to be neutral on their own, but when used in a context to degrade disabled people then it is unacceptable.
That Blackout incident is one of the most absurd, disrespectful things I've seen, like, ever what the hell
One of THEE worst
I just finished the Blackout anthology, with so many great authors, yesterday and it was so good! Such great stories, I definitely recommend!
I need to read it ASAP !
I bought my husband a book about the Olympics as he loves Olympics trivia and statistics. The picture in the book that they used for Michael Phelps was someone dressed as him for Halloween. Not only does this person not look like Michael Phelps, they also are clearly wearing fake gold painted cardboard medals around their neck, they are standing in a kitchen and have someone dressed as the Joker behind them! They are clearly as a Halloween party. How did this make it to print?!
I don’t understand !!
That sounds like a joke someone stuck in an early draft of the layout like "lol I'll put that picture of Joe from the Halloween party in for a laugh" that no one caught! Like did they not hire any proofreaders??
You zooming in on Nigel's tiny teeth was just the right energy I needed to get through today.
All these cases of mistaken identity in rapid fire succession has me thinking that there must be SOMETHING going on. Like....come on! You are surrounded by the internet and you literally couldn't take 2 seconds to find a picture of the right person or book???
Even if implicit bias didn't play a role in those instances of confusing certain POC authors for others, it looks that way.
My biggest problem with conversations with language is that people end up saying, "You shouldn't say that word." I mostly don't like that because I don't think words like "crazy" or "touch some grass" should ever be held to the same level as words that legitimately should not be used by the masses like racial and homophobic slurs. I feel the same way about swear words. Sure, people in society might consider them rude, but people have this, "You shouldn't say the f-word" attitude. Swear words haven't been used as a form of hate the way slurs have been. I'm not a historian, but I don't think anyone has ever been murdered after being called a "motherfucker" the same way people have been continually killed because of their sexuality or the color of their skin.
I’m convinced that someone purposely put that cover of Blackout.
Same!
As someone with mild facial blindness I’m terrified of putting the wrong person’s image on something.
Blackout was such a great story! I hope it starts receiving the correct attention that it deserves and stops being involved with these mix-ups
“Crusty Demon”
I love your hatred towards her. I feel the EXACT same way. I cannot STAND that woman.
What an evil creature 😤
I actually don't know who that is. I do not recognize her.
As a person who has adhd, TRUST ME when i say that i do not consider the word 'lazy' to be one that is specifically geared towards insulting/oppressing me or people like me????
Completely agree. My nephew is autistic. He's not aware of some things but he's so intelligent in other matters and does in fact feel empathy. He's always asking "Are you okay?" So, Empathy isn't an an able or not able thing.
Another thing, we can't call any specific word able-ist. Some terms are obvious but other words completely depend on the context. The main issues aren't even words said it's tone of the person and the context in which they're said. People should be cautious and think before saying things to others. Asking themselves..."Is this offensive?"
i agree with ana. there is nuance. that being said if i went the rest of my life without being called lazy for being disabled i wouldn’t complain lmao. i think that also like you said “if i was talking to someone with adhd” it kinda goes into like. people shouldn’t have to give others a list of their disabilities in order to not get shit for having a disability. there is nuance but i think instead of not using those words being aware of those words when they’re being used is important.
I think many of the points made in the ableism thread (with regard to the ones you pointed out - I haven't seen the thread myself) are good points for discussion. For instance, I recently saw a thread about whether laziness actually exists, and it's something I'm myself running into myself (am I just inherently lazy, or is there something more going on). However, I think the main point of discussion is that when you, for instance, say "touch grass", you're not saying that this person doesn't deserve respect. Same with some of the other ones. I fully agree that everyone deserves some basic form of respect as a living being, but within that you can still say that people are out of touch with reality, and I feel like these two things are on completely different levels.
oh the second thread actually encompassed this really well
I think there's a massive difference between lazy due to mental health or illness reasons and lazy because they just don't want to ie person not applying for jobs because they're struggling currently versus the I don't want to work spoiled child mentality.
16:36 ooooh my goodness~ nigel's teef. he's actually evolving into nigel thornberry 😭😂💖
Slowly but surely 😆
I had this whole rant going in my head on the disability language discourse, but then Ana Mardoll's responses basically sum it up lol. The photo mix-ups are so cringy and harmful, aren't these big orgs supposed to have social media managers just for this kinda stuff?
"We'll do better next time" uwuwuwuwu You should have done better this time?? Shit like that shouldn't be happening. An entire publishing company and nobody double checked it was the right cover? Nobody at Barnes and Nobel who looks over social media posts? Tiffany D. Jackson is LITERALLY holding her own books with her name on them! Zoom in!! Absolutely ridiculous, cannot believe stuff like that is still happening.
I myself don't like the word lazy most of the time- not when someone is going "oh lazy kitty", or saying "I'm having a lazy day" but whenever someone says "you're not doing blank because you're lazy".... Laziness like that doesn't exist. People don't know, or don't understand or they don't have the ability, they aren't lazy.
Its when you use it as an insult or something like that, that is where ableism comes from.
I am hesitant to say "oh just don't use lazy for people w ADHD" or similar bc. You don't know everyone who has disabilities/neurodivergencies, and you don't know what limitations everyone might have. Just avoid using it for other human beings
Jess, if your SD card has stopped emptying properly, you may have to start going into your camera settings under format and clear it manually each time. There are tutorials you can look up to do this, but you can totally still use that SD card!
Thank God for that second thread about abelist words, because I while I do realize the first person was trying to help, that thread is very "every word can be ableist" to me.
Context is so important speaking as a disabled person.
Got to the end of the video and just now realized that the rain was on the tv, and not an actual window 😹
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Ana Mardoll is a gem on twitter. They're 100% right
comments that aged terribly...
@@kaijuhunting oof. I know right!?
I really don't get how the hell Blackout even happened. And the ableist thread totally goes too far by taking common every day terms (that aren't ableist and aren't intended to be so) and giving them a meaning they don't even have
Regarding the mistaken identity section of this video: Besides doing their due diligence, some folks need help in distinguishing one POC over another. We all don't look alike.
And the whole Blackout fiasco... REALLY! Like, how in the hell would a Candace Owen's POS book be on the list? *shakes head*
I'm just... flummoxed at the fact that they couldn't get the images right for either Adam Silvera or Dhonielle Clayton (and by proxy Tiffany D. Jackson)! Holy snap, my goodness, they couldn't have looked up previous press releases or, as you said, the author panel inside the books? And then the book cover for Blackout. I think you can hear my eyes roll through the screen. There are not enough facepalms to justify this serious book faux pas.
See...
I double and triple check my tweets to make sure they're as grammatically correct as possible (because I have a habit of mixing AAVE with SAE) and my wording is as clear n concise as I can get it. And I'm a nobody with 30 followers. How tf are you a whole magazine and you not double checkin' shit that goes into print?!
I am baffled
I am so so so hopeful they cast an actual fat actress in The Unhoneymooners! Some of the rare representation fat folks get in romance and I hope they stick to the book in that regard!
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Re dhonielle and Tiffany - they don't even have to use resources, just their brains!
Hello Jess! Looking amazing today!💛🌼 Hope you and your family are safe and well!
To be honest, I went through a period as a grown ass adult where I used the word "stupid" as a comma. I was going through a very stressful time and that's not an excuse because, as mentioned, I was a grown ass adult. I have stopped doing that. I'm trying to do better, be a better person and not put out so much negative energy
Just an explanation (not an excuse, research should be done) for the mixed-up pictures when it comes to magazines or newspapers. I write for both and in most cases I have little to nothing to with with pic selection/editing/layout. Depending on the assignment and the publication I mostly just hand in the text, some editors send a copy including pics before print, many don't. The editor will not have seen the book or engaged with it, if they don't pay attention or the pic is labeled wrong in whatever picture database they use, shit can happen. It is rare in my experience though, because it is such an embarrassing mistake, but it does happen.
That pause you took after the Barnes and Noble tweet was just perfect 🤣
Not "shucking and jiving" 😭
I just discovered your channel, I'm surprised by your growth and I'm going to binge-watch all your videos🤯💖💖
In less depressing news, when the video came on I was only looking at it from my peripheral and thought Nigel's face was a Hippopotamus!
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The funny thing about the Dhonielle thing is that she was a mentor at my MFA program when that was being tweeted I’m pretty sure 😂
What a mess with the Blackout books! I do want to read the Blackout anthology though. It sounds great! You at 21:10 is me anytime anyone checks her books out at the library I work at. 😂
I would be unable to hide my disgust if someone checked out her book 😂
Ahh the Blackout incident (as well as the other 2 given examples of similar incidents) is so embarrassing...just YIKES.
Big yikes 🥴
Generally, don't use actual disorder names as insults or jokes unless you have the disorder. I can say "my OCD is acting up" because I have the disorder and I'm making a joke of it to add lightheartedness for myself, but I can't say I'm being bipolar because I don't have the disorder. Everything else like using crazy, idiot, dumb, lazy, etc. is a bit tricky, at least to me.
Edit: Also Lindsey Ellis and Contrapoints made good videos on how cancel culture, which started off with noble intentions, can not only spiral out of control, but also put people in a traumatizing situation.
Also you earned a like from me for that Candace Owens comment! Her face is even on the cover, so how did they mess that up?!
I come from Emily Caits channel, she mentioned you in her midyear vid. ^^
Seeing this video, I am so glad I don't touch twitter with a 10 foot pole... it is such a toxic ****hole.
Crusty demon. I’m losing it 😂
Very important content. Also I loved this scenario. Greatings from Brazil
Unrelated to this excellent video - that driving rain outside your window is hypnotic. Loved the low-level sound in the background, too. New filming spot is A+
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Your skin looks so great today! (I know this is weird, but whatever...) 🥰
Jess and Nigel! Did you see that there will not be a Reading Rush this year?
I did not ! 😲
@@JessOwens There is a post on their instagram. Their merch is all on sell as well.
This is completely unrelated to any of the wonderful work you do on this channel but what is the backdrop on your TV screen?! It's such a mood. I love it!
I noticed it too! Very relaxing.
I just type in “thunderstorm room” on RUclips
"Procedures this won't happen again." You mean get your editors to fact check before publishing? Something that should have been practiced already? What a concept! Check your work before publication! Wow those are some bad mistakes.
I feel like the most important thing about the whole ableism thing is thinking about what you're actually saying, because you can definitely say discriminating things without using "bad words". I've also heard people talk about their "inner monk" (like the tv character) which is not named in the list but harmful in similar way to OCD I'd say.
One of my beta readers for my forthcoming novel told me to remove every instance of a character calling someone "idiot" and "moron" because that's ableist. I understand the reasoning, but also felt it was true to the character--this privileged 16yo girl who has never had to think about that stuff would probably use those words. I did end up changing it, though...
In the future it might be best to either fire the beta or go your concerns are noted but the character would use this languages but I'm happy to have a sensitivity reader look at it in the future
I understand how you feel but if what words your character uses feels true to the character it would be wise to listen to yourself. Beta Readers will always have their own opinions and not everyone will like your use of words and how you portray characters but don't ever give them the power to change the story the way you feel would be wrong for the story your trying to portray or the characters you have created. Dialogue is important, words are important as they have the biggest impact and readers will see your hesitance to use certain words. As your character thinks everyone's an idiot or a moron but she doesn't say it out loud to others, doesn't back it up per say, doesn't have that venom and showing through action and words what she thinks of people it will make her fall flat. That will make readers think about her differently than what you want readers to think of her. If your making a privileged A**hole or racist character who actually thinks people are idiots and morons and are beneath them you have to make them believable. I wish you luck with your novel.
As someone who have ADHD some people don't understand that yes some part are hard for me but overcome them whlie other sometimes I helf know but other zreo but one thing is important not tell a person with ADHD, you don't look you have it or worse you pay for your ADHD (witch unfoulty I have experience a teacher tell that to me) because everyone who have ADHD have it in different levels or have other things for me example my ADHD is really high but also I have other stuff that make my life less easy than someone who don't have my disbtes with my ADHD so don't judge people who are different than you
As someone who has OCD I don't give a shit when people use it (except that one time...). But I can't speak for everyone else who has it. I'm also lazy and I'm cool with that.
Did you see that the Obama's are adapting Blackout!! It's going to be amazing!!
Yessss!!
Man this video hits home for me. Nearly every single term that is meant to be negative toward disabled people does not affect me at all. Call me stupid or a retard and I'll laugh right along with you. I know that not everyone has that mentality, but as you said, "Not everything is ableist."
And this is exactly why that list doesn't work because we all have different experiences as disabled ppl with ableism. Like I personally am triggered by the word r*tard while you're not, and someone else might be uncomfortable being called stupid or lazy while someone else isn't bothered by that at all. These lists aren't one size fits all and like Jess said not everything is ableist, and instead of focusing on this very surface level, almost performative anti-ableism we could be focusing on fighting actual ableism in our society. (Not saying that there aren't words that are ableist because there are and we should definitely be working on not using those words, but there are more pressing issues we face as disabled ppl)
I put in so much effort to get names and pronouns right much less a cover and I get paid like $2 😝 these people should be beyond embarrassed
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The magazine with the Adam Silvera mix-up is called "The Bookseller." Jess, the irony of you not looking it up XD
Hahahahahahahahaha
They put Candace Owens cover instead of Blackout... how do you even....!?
*edit
It just feels purposeful tbh
I’m convinced it wasn’t an accident
@@JessOwens I just don't see how it would be an accident unless they're chronically incompetent and if that's the case... How do they even put on their shoes?
Blackout now being adapted by Netflix with help from The Obamas and the preorder gathering Thursday. I hope Blackout continues to prosper.
The worst part about the Blackout situation has to be that Candace not even a fan of Black people 💀 complete contrast
Do you mean an anthology when you are trying to find a word to describe Blackout? They're usually connected by things like themes!
Nothing to add, just here for the algorithm. Lazy animals are… how it should be, I mean, they should be lazy! It’s full-time job being a cat, or a dog or a donkey! 😊
I'm not even religious and I want to say "fix it Jesus" to these book/author mix ups
🤣🤣🤣 SAME
All I'll say about Fall is that its dangerous as a trans person to fit into a binary. We have to define our own identity with what doesn't triggers us but instead bring us joy. I'm glad Fall is doing well and hope her next pieces go off!
Have you read Amari and the Night Brothers? (It was on the middle grade list you showed which is why I ask) I'm reading it now and loving it!!
YES AND I LOVED IT !!!
Man, I take a few months away to deal with some health issues and you get a Patreon and paid promotions???? 😍 I am so happy for you!
Can you share the link to the video playing on the tv in the background? It looks so soothing!
Haha thank you ! I will find the link for you!
Wow. Your videos are so great. I can't even believe all the publicity images that were incorrect. Seriously, humans. Get it together.
18:59, This entire moment! 😂😂😂
Destiny Darcel is an artist who has made special art for Black disabled women if anyone is looking for art that reflects them!
You crack me up! CRISTY! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was being nice 🤣
@@JessOwens and I just saw the autocorrect. Crusty! Hehe
The story about the wrong photo of the author Adam Silvera, the photo on there i think is New Kids on the Block star Jonathan Knight's husband Harley Rodriguez....my friend Helen says that image isn't Harley. I don't know.
Hey Jess, do you think you'll do sprints again this weekend? 😊
Heyyy- not this weekend sadly 😩
...listen, some I 100% understand. But if you do something stupid, Imma call your ass stupid, if youre lazy Imma call your ass lazy. People have to chill. All things like that original thread do is invalidate the good work people are actually doing when it comes to removing 'truly harmful language' from everyday use.
Oh god no not C*nd*ce Ow*ns
The ableist words list is too extra.
Oh! do you use a Mac / MacBook computer ? (random comment! haha) If you do, when you delete things off external storage, you need to empty your trash before it actually clears the space off your memory card /USB etc. (learned that the hard way) - Dunno if that's helpful! just thought I'd throw it out there just in case !
whoop - you got it. never mind!
Who’s Candace Owens?
You might have to reformat your card!
YASS get that Skillshare coinnnnn
Yup makes sense! There is no definitive rules to anything in life! AND nuance does not exist online! Try as we might the message will be received differently by everyone.
I think people REALLY just need to stop acting like they have all the answers and just SHARE their opinion.
Always LOVE your videos!! and I'm glad you've added the positive bits at the end💕
Not Candace Owens!!!!
The audacity
-Checks into a new video
-Sees a million people arguing about ableist words
-Checks out.
I know our fellow disabled people LOVE to say they'd rather work against "real" ableism or whatever than "police language" but some of us are tired of being thrown under the bus by you lot.
Just... Commenters pleeeeeaase stop jumping to be the next "good disabled".
Anyway the whole autistics and empathy isn't cut and dry, many autistics have alexithymia which by definition would mean they don't really feel empathy and/or know when they're feeling empathy like with any other emotion.