In spite of the supposed free thinking of Talk TV, _several things must never be questioned_ . …. that the capitalist class is not responsible for the problems of capitalism, No, it is the Left, those ‘dinosaur Marxists’ that are responsible for undermining the freedom in capitalism. The sooner people realise that the profit system is to failing them the sooner they’ll realise that life is beautiful, it is the system that corrupts us.
@@andyquelch5754 How the other half live, I haven't had a pay rises in 10 years, let's bankrupt the country and drive out all business and declare a workers state and we can sit back and do nothing 😂😂😂😂
Why should train drivers earn more than the national average wage? Theyre not brain surgeons are they? They sit in a cab and do what they are told by signals, I would guess that after a couple of weeks training any one could do it.
man years ago in a factory where I worked the Union Representative was nicknamed Tojo because he was like the proverbial Japanese sniper .aiming at everything in sight
I am a pensioner and my pension is less than £15000 per year it is less than the new living wage I have to manage and am unable to strike to get more. The train drivers are greedy and will only increase fares that I can ill afford to pay now.
Talking to socialists about work is vitally important, especially when workers' rights in the UK are increasingly under attack. Socialists highlight how anti-union laws and exploitative contracts strip away workers' autonomy, making real freedom impossible without collective control over workplaces. Socialists have always fought for better working conditions, and their perspective is crucial now more than ever to defend and expand these rights against growing corporate and state power. Over the past 14 years, UK workers' rights have been restricted by laws like the Trade Union Act 2016, which made strikes harder to organize, and the introduction of Employment Tribunal fees. The rise of zero-hour contracts and the gig economy has led to widespread job insecurity, while changes in agency worker regulations and cuts to legal aid have further weakened protections. The public sector pay cap also eroded workers' living standards. So talking to socialists about work is more useful than listening to right-wing shockjocks.
@@neli5p Your capitalist education has done a good job on you: condemn rather than understand; don't _ever_ address the issues but instead use tired cliches your leaders taught you to deflect the issues. There was once a time when people aspired to ideas and culture. You typify the ossification of thought in the UK right-wing.
@@neli5p Don't try to reason with them. They're literally never satisfied and are incapable of grasping that manual labour is two a penny, but people willing to take risk and with the skills to create employment are far rarer. If they think that the boss is a capitalist running dog, the solution is simple, they can start a rival company and show us all how it's done. The capitalist free market has produced the best quality of life in the history of mankind, whilst socialist economies are in the mud.
If people start to wholesale cancel their union memberships, the unions will get their dockyard wrenches out of the cupboard to bring workers back into the fold.
I get the sense this man drinks copious amounts of tea and gobblles down chocolate digestives but he handful with his comrades at their endless meetings. Never done a hard days graft in his life!
@@boofuu3145That's not how it works though. Company's will always try to pay you the minimum they can. That's why you need a good national minimum wage and to be in a union.
@@boofuu3145 there are nearly 1000000 job vacancies in the country. The country needs workers and proper workers rights so there is not a race to the bottom with wages. Fact.
I've been in business for 30 years. There's not been a single time EVER when a lazy employee has 'worked harder' when they've had a pay rise. In fact, the opposite was more likely to happen.
@@leevanqueef2658 interesting. Since small children we have a strong sense of what's fair and what isn't and will sometimes seek to balance it. Do you find that people who are not lazy will work harder when rewarded? To show gratitude for recognising potential.
@jimbrody3009 The tendency was to work harder, with progress to better opportunities. The 'failure' of a lot of employers is to ignore or 'take advantage' of this, whilst wasting valuable time trying to make the lazy work harder.
People in unions get more money and rights. The millions of people who work for agency's and who are on zero hours contracts get less. Thanks labour 👌 looking after your namesakes yet again
All those Union leaders should not get any pay if they call or go out on strike. If the union members don't get paid then the leadership should not get paid or access to savings.
You can see the priorities of this Labour government. They don't realise they are the government, the elected representatives of the whole country, not only their supporters. "The only right they have is the right to strike", no they also have the right to ply their trade elsewhere.
With the unions unlimited power the greed factor quickly gets triggered. You can tell its greed cozzits got no thought or care for the people who are expecting to be catered for. Systems break down n anger gets inflamed.
I remember people like him .Don't want that again. Labour should not be backed by union money .I can understand when the Labour movement started but not now
What a load of tosh! Bosses do not care about their workers, they care about profits. A point in case is the absolutely disgraceful amount of people who have to claim in work benefits because of the terrible pay that they receive.
Someone needs to teach him the basics of simple arithmetic, 49% is outvoted by 51% of those members who chose to make their vote, however if that 100% number of votes is only 50% of the total electorate, agreed both those numbers are for all intent and purpose only 25%, the 50% who did not vote have no rights, they gave it away. He is simply thick.
I'm so sick of interviewee's trying to be clever by answering a different question than they were asked. Try doing that in a math exam and see where it gets you.
This guy wasn't good at defending his own pitch. Had he been, Jools, he'd have reminded you that Cons are culturally opposed to strike action, deeming it an impertinent affront to the fine upstanding owner and management classes they purport to represent. Further, those interests have no hesitation using underhand, devious and fear tactics to suppress support in any workplace. The workforce must be allowed to self-determine free of interference.
The economy will tank within 12 months under labour , they have said and done nothing to increase productivity or generate start up business or increase taking people on
How would you feel if underpaid supermarket workers all strike? Because of poor working conditions and being underpaid & having their weekly hours cut from 30hrs to 10 hours a week due to self service machines!!! …cost of living crisis has affected everyone!! Maybe Supermarket workers should strike and then what would happen??
You earn a pay rise, and the services that he is quoting are not up to standard to warrant a pay rise. Provide a first class service, you get a pay rise, u til then you get nothing. This is the problem living in the 1970’s. Can someone explain to this clown that you should have a majority vote in any union before it should be allowed to strike. It’s not a hard thing to work out, but he is finding it very hard to. The trade union act 2016 should never be touched, if anything it should be added to that union staff and reps shouldn’t be paid more than the workers. Plus if the workers strike then no union staff should be paid when the strikes are on. What him change his tune then.
We need to make /grow/ provide stuff ourselves to buy ourselves or to sell abroad in order to create money and keep it in the UK to pay for all the services required by all residents of the UK, striking kills productivity and their own employers and they will scratch their heads and wonder why. This country is dying fast
"we want to strike even though we didn't get enough numbers among our union members who wanted to strike" " that one union member who does want to come out and strike should be able to stirke on their own and stop the company from trading otherwise unions have no power to strike" that's how this conversation came across.
How many of these union leaders are on minimum pay ? They ALL get silly wages even my company's union convenors (supposedly workers) are getting managers money
I'm seriously thinking about coming out of the union at work. I'm repulsed by the fact my money is going to the labour party. I support unions but not when they are taking the piss with unrealistic pay rises and no increased productivity in return
The train drivers had every other day off. As they are very well paid it didn’t impact them. Have an all out strike where they don’t get paid at all. The union officials do.
Good grief. This bloke can't even grasp the difference between a ballot with 2 options on the voting slip and a ballot with more than 2 options. Yet, with that level of understanding of the democratic process, he's been elevated to being a union representative. I genuinely feel for any workers that he represents.
so if people don't vote maybe they don't want to strike .what he wants and the unions want is the union leaders to be able to have all the power back.instead of their members
This guy's out of his depth with Julia. She's all over it, good one Julia.
Oh God - different era, same old dinosaurs. Party like it's 1974
In spite of the supposed free thinking of Talk TV, _several things must never be questioned_ . …. that the capitalist class is not responsible for the problems of capitalism, No, it is the Left, those ‘dinosaur Marxists’ that are responsible for undermining the freedom in capitalism. The sooner people realise that the profit system is to failing them the sooner they’ll realise that life is beautiful, it is the system that corrupts us.
He's never done a day work in his life.
Or had a hard day.
he certainly can't count
Train drivers earn a minimum of 53k a year, and as high as 87k, hardly struggling, when the average wage in the UK is about 35k...
InterCity drivers earn a hell of a lot more than 87k, depends on the trains their licensed to drive
One train driver plays at my local golf club. He's bragging that his wages are going up by over £1000 a month. He only works four days a week.
@@andyquelch5754 How the other half live, I haven't had a pay rises in 10 years, let's bankrupt the country and drive out all business and declare a workers state and we can sit back and do nothing 😂😂😂😂
@@nigeldix4841 Yep. As one Socialist recently said to me 'If we need more money we can just print it'.🙄
Why should train drivers earn more than the national average wage? Theyre not brain surgeons are they? They sit in a cab and do what they are told by signals, I would guess that after a couple of weeks training any one could do it.
Typical union rep, will argue , argue and argue even when someone is agreeing with them. the most unsavoury anchors in exisistence
Communists to a man.
man years ago in a factory where I worked the Union Representative was nicknamed Tojo because he was like the proverbial Japanese sniper .aiming at everything in sight
Socialist Party Member what a plank.
I'm Welsh and embarrassed for him
Never mind :)
Wow this reminds me of the 70s a union rep trying to destroy his own members jobs
He's a student of Arthur Scargill & Co.
I am a pensioner and my pension is less than £15000 per year it is less than the new living wage I have to manage and am unable to strike to get more. The train drivers are greedy and will only increase fares that I can ill afford to pay now.
Who knew voting Labour in would cause these muppets to start screeching? More money for less work - we demand it!
The people who have seen Labour Governments before knew that the unions would be demanding more money for less work with benefits.
@@nicksmith4361I thought it might have taken a bit longer to become evident.
some people forget what voting Labour means, more money, more strikes,less work.
He’s too young to remember the early seventies and the effect the unions had on ordinary working people.
Why talk to socialists about work?
Talking to socialists about work is vitally important, especially when workers' rights in the UK are increasingly under attack. Socialists highlight how anti-union laws and exploitative contracts strip away workers' autonomy, making real freedom impossible without collective control over workplaces. Socialists have always fought for better working conditions, and their perspective is crucial now more than ever to defend and expand these rights against growing corporate and state power.
Over the past 14 years, UK workers' rights have been restricted by laws like the Trade Union Act 2016, which made strikes harder to organize, and the introduction of Employment Tribunal fees. The rise of zero-hour contracts and the gig economy has led to widespread job insecurity, while changes in agency worker regulations and cuts to legal aid have further weakened protections. The public sector pay cap also eroded workers' living standards.
So talking to socialists about work is more useful than listening to right-wing shockjocks.
@sbor2020 spoken like a true communist
@@neli5p Your capitalist education has done a good job on you: condemn rather than understand; don't _ever_ address the issues but instead use tired cliches your leaders taught you to deflect the issues. There was once a time when people aspired to ideas and culture. You typify the ossification of thought in the UK right-wing.
@@neli5p Don't try to reason with them. They're literally never satisfied and are incapable of grasping that manual labour is two a penny, but people willing to take risk and with the skills to create employment are far rarer.
If they think that the boss is a capitalist running dog, the solution is simple, they can start a rival company and show us all how it's done.
The capitalist free market has produced the best quality of life in the history of mankind, whilst socialist economies are in the mud.
@@sbor2020Tell me, were you around in the 70s?
He doesn’t give a Tinkers damn about his union membership, just wants to maintain his slippery grasp of power
I don't understand. If you're not happy, get a different job.
lazy
Junior Dr applies for a job knowing the wage. Junior Dr then strikes for more wages... wtf 😂
Ahem, Inflation....
@@Craig121000 yes, inflation. For EVERYONE!
You'll want to recheck that, Jennifer. Some of us remain unaffected by inflation. 😁
Everyone will get pay rise if you cancel £24/£35 a month unions subscription
I simply wouldn't pay it.
@@TheNewOriginals450 No I left the union when the rep went to Florida for a meeting.
Are they really that high now?
@@davidgavin7280 some go higher, depends on which grade you go at oddly. They conmen
If people start to wholesale cancel their union memberships, the unions will get their dockyard wrenches out of the cupboard to bring workers back into the fold.
Watch 'Carry On At Your Convenience' and you will see where this bloke comes from. Charlie didn't get his draw tickets this week? EVERYBODY OUT!!!
Or 'I'm Alright, Jack' with Peter Sellers.
I get the sense this man drinks copious amounts of tea and gobblles down chocolate digestives but he handful with his comrades at their endless meetings. Never done a hard days graft in his life!
He just wants a big closed sign on the country.
The vote should be over 50% of the membership and not of those that can be bothered to vote
Winter of Discontent coming soon.
Or disconnect perhaps ?
This guy would not survive in the real world
They're trying to survive in the real world, that's why they're needing pay rises....
@@Craig121000 limit migration and companies would have to pay decent wages across the board , problem solved
@@boofuu3145That's not how it works though. Company's will always try to pay you the minimum they can. That's why you need a good national minimum wage and to be in a union.
@@afrohands wages do rise if workers are scarce , its a fact
@@boofuu3145 there are nearly 1000000 job vacancies in the country. The country needs workers and proper workers rights so there is not a race to the bottom with wages. Fact.
Wow. This guy is a fool.
I've been in business for 30 years. There's not been a single time EVER when a lazy employee has 'worked harder' when they've had a pay rise. In fact, the opposite was more likely to happen.
Logical since the person is lazy but do you think productive people have stopped working as hard because the lazy people get paid the same low wage?
@jimbrody3009 Not in my experience, no. Hard workers will always be hard working. Thus, they are rewarded as such.
@@leevanqueef2658 interesting. Since small children we have a strong sense of what's fair and what isn't and will sometimes seek to balance it.
Do you find that people who are not lazy will work harder when rewarded? To show gratitude for recognising potential.
@jimbrody3009 The tendency was to work harder, with progress to better opportunities. The 'failure' of a lot of employers is to ignore or 'take advantage' of this, whilst wasting valuable time trying to make the lazy work harder.
Socialist activist and trade union supporter since age 16 -never worked a day in his life.
People in unions get more money and rights. The millions of people who work for agency's and who are on zero hours contracts get less. Thanks labour 👌 looking after your namesakes yet again
why didnt the unions not go on strike 2008 2010.
How do illiterate innumerate people achieve such positions or is it a pre-requisite for the job?
Think of Rayner and her long hair extensions, posing, illiterate etc etc..
I'm sick of listening to people like this popping up everywhere. They have no opinions of their own, just stupid soundbites
this guy has been chasing too many sheep in those Welsh valleys
He is wearing Velcro gloves. They just aren’t on screen.
a classic,thank you.
Velcro gloves and wellies be his tools.
Should be charged with animal cruelty
And he's probably caught a few sheep as well by the look of his smile.
So basically "I'm angry so I'm right"
He also forgets his workers now are homeowners.
I could listen to JHB all day..... I’d go nuts if I didn’t have some common sense to even this crap out! 👍💪🥊🇬🇧
You need to be booked into the nearest mental health ward ASAP!
Oh I appear to have found myself back in the 1970s
Glad I kept my old flares , I knew they would make a come back , still fit too.
Life on Mars
All those Union leaders should not get any pay if they call or go out on strike. If the union members don't get paid then the leadership should not get paid or access to savings.
They still get paid no matter what
union rep just repeats himself and makes no sense and when agrees with him, he to argue and says she's wrong
You can see the priorities of this Labour government. They don't realise they are the government, the elected representatives of the whole country, not only their supporters. "The only right they have is the right to strike", no they also have the right to ply their trade elsewhere.
The only group not suffering are MPs, and Gary Lineker.
Oh my God!
What a prat. Completely outgunned by JHB!
With the unions unlimited power the greed factor quickly gets triggered. You can tell its greed cozzits got no thought or care for the people who are expecting to be catered for. Systems break down n anger gets inflamed.
Godsake some people
I remember people like him .Don't want that again. Labour should not be backed by union money .I can understand when the Labour movement started but not now
What a plank
Unions have been given the keys to the country
What a load of tosh! Bosses do not care about their workers, they care about profits. A point in case is the absolutely disgraceful amount of people who have to claim in work benefits because of the terrible pay that they receive.
Speaking as a former 'boss' that comment of yours is a load of tosh.
@@alandraper7901 shhhussshhh
What a tool.....
You've got the Socialist Workers Party and the NSDAP (National Socialist German Workers Party).
Splitters!
Thank god i have always been self employed so i have never had to suffer trade union socialists!
There's a difference between a parliamentary vote, with many candidates, and a referendum, with only two options, which is what a strike vote is.
Illiterate? That is putting it mildly. Poor Welshman!!
i bet he has a picture of Scargill on his bedroom wall, right next to the hammer and sickle flag!
Someone needs to teach him the basics of simple arithmetic, 49% is outvoted by 51% of those members who chose to make their vote, however if that 100% number of votes is only 50% of the total electorate, agreed both those numbers are for all intent and purpose only 25%, the 50% who did not vote have no rights, they gave it away. He is simply thick.
This guy Williams is a real thicko.
People were warned about voting Labour
Les than 1/2 is not an overwhelming majority/support.
I'm so sick of interviewee's trying to be clever by answering a different question than they were asked. Try doing that in a math exam and see where it gets you.
If that's the level of trade union representation I'd rather not waste my money he couldn't argue his way out of paper bag
Plenty of people haven't had a pay rise in years, so welcome to the club.
Closing down the country, during Covid, was not only supported by Kier Starmer, but he wanted it harder and longer.
I remember people like him .Don't want that again. Labour should not be backed b
Massive support for his views at 1%
The Brexit Referendum was won by 52%. That was considered, by Julia, amongst others, as a resounding victory. Funny that.
Getting paid differently for different jobs is not inequality
Was this guys dad a TOOL maker also
Socialist Party? Is that the Far Left then? 😂
This guy wasn't good at defending his own pitch. Had he been, Jools, he'd have reminded you that Cons are culturally opposed to strike action, deeming it an impertinent affront to the fine upstanding owner and management classes they purport to represent. Further, those interests have no hesitation using underhand, devious and fear tactics to suppress support in any workplace. The workforce must be allowed to self-determine free of interference.
The economy will tank within 12 months under labour , they have said and done nothing to increase productivity or generate start up business or increase taking people on
I wonder who would change their mind if the police were on strike and an armed intruder broke into their home?
Yeh like royal mail, went on strike and got stitched up by the union
Listened for 2 mins then switched off !
How would you feel if underpaid supermarket workers all strike? Because of poor working conditions and being underpaid & having their weekly hours cut from 30hrs to 10 hours a week due to self service machines!!! …cost of living crisis has affected everyone!! Maybe Supermarket workers should strike and then what would happen??
Use the self service counter
@@DAVEEPAUL shelves be empty by midday
Well said Julia.
Welsh....speaks volumes...living in the 1980s...
Don't lump us all in the same boat. I remember the 1970s.
We are not all thick
OMG how thick is he
This guy is talking rubish if its massive support it would be over 50% simple mathematics
You earn a pay rise, and the services that he is quoting are not up to standard to warrant a pay rise. Provide a first class service, you get a pay rise, u til then you get nothing.
This is the problem living in the 1970’s. Can someone explain to this clown that you should have a majority vote in any union before it should be allowed to strike.
It’s not a hard thing to work out, but he is finding it very hard to.
The trade union act 2016 should never be touched, if anything it should be added to that union staff and reps shouldn’t be paid more than the workers. Plus if the workers strike then no union staff should be paid when the strikes are on.
What him change his tune then.
Train drivers are already on a good wage, totally wrong of them to strike for more.
I remember people like him .Don't want that again.
We need to make /grow/ provide stuff ourselves to buy ourselves or to sell abroad in order to create money and keep it in the UK to pay for all the services required by all residents of the UK, striking kills productivity and their own employers and they will scratch their heads and wonder why.
This country is dying fast
back to the shitty 70's again :/
She's made you look a fool , 50% plus is a majority, less than 50% is a minority, simple
He just doesn't want to listen does he (or probably work!!!)
Unbelievable
Boo hoo. All these pay rises they are getting.... meanwhile people in private sector!
Plank
"we want to strike even though we didn't get enough numbers among our union members who wanted to strike"
" that one union member who does want to come out and strike should be able to stirke on their own and stop the company from trading otherwise unions have no power to strike"
that's how this conversation came across.
Please can someone explain to me how the train drivers who work for private train companies get paid by the taxpayer.
These unions worry other types of work are earning more then them when they are having it so easy, envy again plays its part with them
How many of these union leaders are on minimum pay ? They ALL get silly wages even my company's union convenors (supposedly workers) are getting managers money
I'm seriously thinking about coming out of the union at work. I'm repulsed by the fact my money is going to the labour party. I support unions but not when they are taking the piss with unrealistic pay rises and no increased productivity in return
We don’t live in a democracy
reported for anti establishment rhetoric.
@@adamsmith6594 😂 So true -
The train drivers had every other day off. As they are very well paid it didn’t impact them. Have an all out strike where they don’t get paid at all. The union officials do.
I'm now redundant. But when in work nobody in my place of work wanted a union. If they had I might not be redundant. Ermm.
Good grief. This bloke can't even grasp the difference between a ballot with 2 options on the voting slip and a ballot with more than 2 options.
Yet, with that level of understanding of the democratic process, he's been elevated to being a union representative.
I genuinely feel for any workers that he represents.
yep...deffo doesnt want to go back to the 1970's... 🤯
He's like an incarination of Arthur Scargill.
so if people don't vote maybe they don't want to strike .what he wants and the unions want is the union leaders to be able to have all the power back.instead of their members
Here we go back to the 1970s, hold on folks!
Get her off. She disturbing.
They all want something for nothing. When productivity and performance rises you can moan but until then put in a hard day's graft and earn it
To make voting compulsory first you would need a foolproof online and postal system. At the moment the postal system is abused.