I went into a bike shop a few weeks a go and they had a nice "size small" BMC($6,500) with sram group set,and it looked awesome. I said to the mechanic,"Could you just put it on the scales to check the weight. ...it was over 8 kgs. I said my Winspace SLC is 7.0 kgs with ultegra groupo and deep dish hyper wheels,so I'd be going backwards if I brought this,and it cost more.🤦♂️🤷♂️
yep mine is less than 8kg as well, batteries, disk brakes add's up to more weight, more maintenance, more cost and more problems. OK if your a semi professional where tenths in time matter. Understand watts saved and gained over a 200km trip can win or lose you a race.
I called our GCN on this, calling them "bike manufacturer sales partner and oficial sell out mouthpiece's" and poof my comment was removed. Im calling that a win.
@@anonymous12B Yeah you nailed it. So many noobs out there that have no idea that the cycling industry has been doing this for so many years. The latest tech is the latest gimmicks that people like GCN hype to death. And it isn't confined to bikes. Aero everything is super trendy. How about gravel bikes? Oh that's right they have been around for ages went by the name cyclo cross bikes.
@@danm3359 When you say a cyclocrosser is a gravel bike, you have no idea about geometry and tire clearance. I have a cyclo crosser. Bad to drive off-road: steep steering angle, narrow tires. It's a piece of sports equipment for cyclocrossing, but not what a normal cyclist on bad roads needs.
@@walterhofer937I was a cyclocross rider and still ride my cyclocross bike and it do anything these so called grovel bikes ( intended )do it’s just marketing if you want to be comfortable off road get a mountain bike
The only point of technological advances in the industry is to sell more bikes. I’ve been watching racing for 35 years and I don’t care about which bike is most advanced and more aero. I want to see the best rider win. The bike doesn’t matter.
I stopped the other day to help a disc rider on his new bike who had a puncture. He couldn’t get his front wheel out to put his bike in his wife’s car to go home. When I looked the bonded nut was spinning in the fork. The bike had seatpost scores from the post slipping down and non bonded fork not bad for a month old bike. He didn’t have any tools, tubes, worms because he’d been told tubeless never punctures. I took the rear wheel out and in the car it went what a great start to his cycling.
Agreed. My bikes were both purchased used; a2010 Scott and a 2012 Specialized. Conventional headset and seat post, external cable routing, rim brakes, everything easy to work on. Nice and light too. Easy to pick up bikes like this very cheap. Usually they have been hanging unused in someone's garage.
I'm riding a Scott CR-1 Team I bought in 2009 (new). Shimano 105 10sp mechanical, Aksium rims; a dinosaur to some, and sure I'd like Di2 TBH, but it's still riding perfectly =)
Bought a 2011 Specialized Secteur new in 2012 from lbs. $495 USD, rides great, easy to work on and fitted to me by another bike shop. Literally will only upgrade when it falls apart. Not spending price of car on a bike😂.
The truth is the bike industry know they can only sell so many bikes, it's a triangle with 2 wheels and road bikes peaked some years ago. The bike industry isn't interested in advancing the sport it's interested in making money. The move to 29" wheels was pushed on everyone and we had no choice to keep 26" wheels, they were made obsolete almost overnight. Rim brakes were replaced for disc because the industry wanted to push carbon wheels without the issue of rim failure due to overheating of the brake track on clincher wheels. Carbon rim tubular had been used for years with no issues but the industry knew dentists wouldn't be able to ride a bike with tubulars too much faff sticking tyres on so clinchers were pushed. What I hate about the industry is how they push a change in tech to everyone and remove the options. If the big bike brands made all this disc road and people wanted to buy it fair enough if you offer choice and we can still buy what we want but no it's taken away. However, it does us a favour in one respect because we can pick up great deals on second hand gear that's mint because the dentists want the latest tech.... or rather they fall for the marketing and when their bike is leant against the wall at the cafe it matches the other bikes. People buying things they don't need to impress people they don't even know just so they feel that they fit in. I'd rather buy what I know is the better performing and easier to maintain tech..
I hate disc brakes had a horrible experience and went back to an S-Works Sl6 rim brakes. Sticking with rim brakes forever even if my next bike has to be custom made
I found a picture where the whole Arkea- Samsic team used alloy stems at Paris Roubaix. The caption was blunt about it. It definitely stands out, but I agree with you. I feel much safer on alloy.
Man has been speaking facts and preaching this gospel since day 1. Mad respect!!! I appreciate you for helping me spend sub 2k on a bike and dropping jokers on sl7’s
I recently bought a new carbon road bike suposedly to replace my old one. Nothing wrong with the old one, it's in pretty good condition. New one has newer "tech" so hydraulic disc brakes and whatnot. Imagine my surprise when I discovered it 1kg heavier? The wheels themselves are 550g heavier, the frame is 100g heavier and so on.. Progress eh? In the defense as the new bike though, I have changed pretty much everything on the old bike in the persuit of weight savings. Great video.
I commute every day on my 2013 Scott Alloy Speedster, Women's Specific. Yep, it gets serviced every 6mths. Upgraded the wheel set, and I absolutely love the rim break, manual shimano 105 group set. After watching your videos, I'm too scared to buy a new bike with all expensive crap out there. Plus the service guys in the shop are so pushy and don't listen to what you want.
I am totally with you buddy. Disc brakes for the dirt and GCN need to reach out to the little man, the every day rider, the weekend rider who works all week. How can a push bike be worth more than a car and the key comments aren't fit for purpose ! GCN's ex pro riders are becoming excellent presenters but the show, in my opinion is biased towards elite athleticism and not Joe Bloggs who doesn't need to save a few grams or a few watts
I am sure they are all nice people but how can some of them call their selves ex pro riders when their career lasted 5 years. In any other field of work they would be called ex apprentices.
@@IronHorsey3 Fair point Roman, I just think that GCN has to push all the latest tech out there based on sales and marketing. Hambini calls it something else. Having listened to so many other channels out there that basically tell the truth, I think that it is about time that the major bike brands were held accountable and they don't like it. For example I have never understood why the varying gear ratios and standards have change all of a sudden. Surely Shimano and Sram amongst the others should keep or redesign gear ratio combinations for the basic average rider and not the select chosen few who are in the Pro peloton and get their pics posted everywhere to promote the product. Top end stuff is for the Pro riders and it does not last ! plus it's too expensive and not durable for Mr Average. Durian tell it like it is and I like it. I do not want to sound negative but cycling should be simple and I get it at the highest level where chain lube can save 3 watts but when I go for a ride in my local hills, this has got nothing to do with it.
@@2wheelsrbest327 Totally agree 2 wheels r best, they are now presenters who can ride bikes but the show is always chatting about aero this and watts that and the latest 12 speed what have you. Personally I am not interested in that. I just want honest productions where if something is shite ( crap) then they can say it rather than gloss over a paid promotion.
@@2wheelsrbest327 if you drove a bus for 5 years you were still a bus driver. A pizza delivery guy can call himself a "professional driver" due to being paid to do it. The GCN guys have at least been doing it for long enough to know what they're talking about. Problem is everything they ride is basically the same!
Refreshing to hear this DR. Encapsulates why I love cycling ... and Aussies! Some of the channels you mention produce high quality, entertaining videos which I enjoy but 100% push a completely distorted view of what average joe needs to get into cycling.
My 2007 Trek Madone SSL6.5 is a superb bike & I have no cumpulsion to change it. Dura Ace group set still performs like new. Obvious maintainance, cables, new pads (rim brake), sprockets, chains, wheels etc keep it running like new. The frame is the same spec Lance Armstrong used on mountain stages during the 2005 tour. If it could handle his power it can handle mine. Weight is on the lower UCI limit. Why would I want anything else?
l ll take my buddies 7kg 2010 550 Madone 10spd DA anyday over the new one !! try riding with lots of turns some hills etc the old model will kill the new one in watts n time !!
My brake was rubbing on my Emonda alr during a fast group ride with sprints, and I just reached down and opened the caliper literally on the fly. You could never do that with disc brakes.
Harley, I'm totally diggin' the pink ONCE jacket and Domo Farm - Frittes beanie you found. Why were the team kits of the early to mid 2000's so much better than today's, along with the equipment? I'm still rocking and loving my 2007 Cervelo R3 SL back when Vroomen and White were running the show and their bikes were made with hand-laid carbon. I'm running a traditional 10 x 53 - 39 setup using 2010 SRAM Red mechanical shifters and rim brake levers, cranks, etc. 60 mm Reynolds carbon aero wheels and 23 cm clinchers. Whenever I bring my bike into a shop for service, the mechanics are always amazed by how light it is. The fact you can pick it up easily with your pinky finger tells you all you need to know about the bikes weight. If you ride mostly on flat to rolling or even hilly terrain, rim brakes are perfectly suitable with carbon wheels. Long mountain descents are perhaps a little different, but 80% of road cyclist never event venture there, so why are so many people hung up on disc brakes?
A guy at work recently started getting into cycling recently so splashed out on a 3200 pound (I guess 6000 AUD) bike. When it was due to be delivered he was telling me how excited he was to get out on it, After the weekend I asked him how he got on and he said "terribly", he said he didnt realise that he was supposed to charge up the batteries before taking it out so his battery went flat and he was stuck in top gear for most of his ride. After this he was feeling much less enthusiastic about going out again the following weekend. It just made me realise how glad I am Ive still got cable operated brakes - I dont have to worry about forgetting to charge anything up!!
I enjoyed Chris Miller and Co's comments on your criticism of top end bike gear. Many others think the same thing as you but they don't and can't say it
The disc brake front end summed up… The beefed up hub, the fortified fork, the rotor, the whole braking mech…all that weight on the far end of the fork = ill handling, goofy feel. The scraping sound, the air bubble, take it to the shop maintenance frequency.
I recently had my LBS build up a Surly Midnight Special for me (all external cabling, and I put mechanical GRX on it). When I dropped off all the parts, they told me it would be about a week before it's done. Well the mechanics must have been so happy the bike was all external cabling, no integrating headset/handlebars, and all mechanical (I guess besides the hydro brakes but hey it's a gravel bike) that they built it the very next day LOL
How can the bike industry save itself? Let's assume somehow, one day, everything crashes down and people are like screw this, it's over 10 grand to buy a new bike with all of the wizz bang stuff new from a shop (even more actually), and people stop buying bikes. How could the industry fix this stuff and not look like they were wrong all this time? I feel like they are in it so deep now, they almost have to go down with the ship. Imagine if one of the big brands started offering a rim brake bike (again), and one of the UCI teams had riders that wanted to ride it, they do, they win big races, now what do they do? All of this "aero", "more stopping power" marketing is out the window. Just the fact that there are financing options available for bikes anymore is crazy to me, I mean I can't even imagine financing a BICYCLE and having that monthly bill show up and not punching myself in the face.
What are you talking about? As far as I can see, almost every brand still has rim brakes on offer. From Speci to Cannondale, Giant, Merida, Basso, Canyon, Rose...
Yeah I have a 2012 Giant TCR SL Full Carbon bike with internal cabling, rim brakes, 10speed, mainly Dura ace parts. It's an absolute pleasure to ride but I have spent some on maintaining it to keep it in almost new condition. I've looked at all the new bikes and I have too stay for an amateur rider I cannot find anything that is really much better than my bike. Cost of my used bike, $1300 + Power Pro Power Meter Ultegra $1500 + New Chain $50 + Ultegra pedals $200 + brakes pads +$20 + New cables $180 + BB $90 +Two different bike shops after the original Ultegra crank fitted to fix crank creek +$100 = $3440 Total. Too replace this bike with same new cost $5000+ min
Have you seen the new gcn video durianrider? They try to convince a rim brake cyclist to convert to heavy new tech? They mention, "but he was 10% quicker up the climb", but exactly like you said he was riding alongside another cyclist. They're trying to gaslight the cycling community. Keep up the good work mate.
The 10% quicker comment was related to the wider wheels/tyres and lower pressure, how it transmitted less vibration, felt slower but wasn't. Ironically for your argument, given durianrider's Paris-Roubaix comments, lower pressures and slightly wider tyres is something the pros HAVE been doing in that race.
@@artgreen6915 As I said, the comparison between previous efforts he made is irrelevant unless all the other conditions are the same. Si could have been pushing hard up that climb alongside him and the previous best effort could have been done solo. Of course the pros use lower pressures at Paris Roubaix. I rode the sportive the day before the pros raced, it's almost impossible for an amateur to ride sectors like the forest of Arenberg at 120 psi. Do you know what else the pro race had this year.... adjustable tyre pressures. Lower pressures for the cobbles and then the ability to inflate on the tarmac. Do you think running 60 psi on the flat tarmac is actually faster than 110 or 120 psi? Besides paris roubaix is such an extreme example where the conditions aren't relevant to 99% of cyclists out there. What Durianrider and many of us are annoyed at is that cycling companies today, like specialized, are telling us via the GCN propaganda machine that by buying their new tech which allows you to run at significantly lower pressures is going to make you a faster cyclist up climbs. It's just false information. In the short term it's good for the more informed cyclist because we can buy the "old school" products, rim brakes etc at a substantial discount, however, in the long term they will just be phased out completely. It's a disgrace, with the corporations getting richer at the expense of the amateur road cyclists.
Did get a last of its kind 2019 Bianchi Specialissima, rim brakes, campy 12sp record, shamal wheelset, 27.2m seatpost. Also rebuilt a 2015 Oltre xr2 with a Black Friday deal 11sp centaur group, Shimano cassette works with it, used Bontrager wheelset 50mm with aluminum brake track. Both fast, easy to work on, nice rides work well for me.
Everything Durianrider says in this is spot on, lets hope in the future that more riders come to realise this, for all of our benefit. I've been riding week in week out for 35 years on all the types of bike disciplines and tech levels and can also confirm for free that the best generation of bikes were the best simple lightweight carbon frames from around 10-20 years ago and indeed the groupsets such as DA 7800 or Record 10 were the best that were ever made - the modern stuff has not got better, in many ways the quality and performance is a lot worse. Agree that the Winspace is one if the best frames currently available, or often advise people to search out something like a second hand Colnago - their are still currently some rare quirky options that don't get much mention such as Litespeed will still sell you a Ultimate frame in proper rim format in 2023 - so clever riders can still find a prime setup and maybe rock some Robbie McEwan style on a frame with real racing pedigree... something you can build up and actually enjoy riding it rather than spending half your time fixing it. The current bike industry is interesting as it is a perfect microcosm of late capitalist hyper consumerist toss that permeates through almost every product that needs to be 'made', the sooner that people wise up to it the better. Keep ranting dude.
I agree: Rode Campagnolo 10speed for 20 years without any issues. Now Campagnolo 12 speed Super record: After 2000km first cable rupture, after 8000km second cable rupture, After 12.000km the whole Ergopower rigthandside broke down and needed to be replaced by Campagnolo. Just bullshit modern tech.
@@TimSchulzks Yep, in Shimano- Duraace 7800 every item was near perfection, so simple, well made and the shift quality was so slick. Every iteration after that got worse shifting until they got to 9100, which was close to perfect as long as one substituted out the innovatively exploding crank design. I still use 7800 brake callipers on my best bike, they still perform the same as the day I installed them near 20 years ago - and I've barely had to touch them for setup or maintenance. How many modern groupsets will still be performing in 20 years time? I'd guess zero.
Good that you're questioning everything. Find a bike that fits well, that you love the look and ride of, vs trying to impress others. I ride a a 1970 steel Peugeot which I bought second hand for $300 and wouldn't swap it for anything else because I love the way it fits, rides and looks. I'm only a casual rider though, but the above advice is the same for any type of riding.
LOL - we need more Aussie Bogan ranting reviews like this. I sold my 12 year old rim brake all mech road bike this year and went for a Trek Domane. The new Domane is a nice bike and suits me at 62 with beat up hips, shoulders and spine. Thing is 1.3 kg heavier and cost almost twice as much as my old bike. But did a 85km through beautiful England with my old road dog mate on his pock marked old steel frame winter mechanical. He was well ahead of me, on all terrain though we are well matched riders. Anyway, simplification is the key, nothing wrong with inexpensive well tried tech that gets you over those hills.
@@durianriders my bikes range from a 1954 Hetchin lighweight to a Specialized Diverge carbon thing with disks. The Diverge rides ok but it is not fit for purpose for what it is touted for - bikepacking into the wilderness as it has too much stuff that is not bodgeable on the roadside :(
@@durianriders in fact , I have been so sick of the tech hype that 5 years ago I went back to using a footbike/scooter - no gears, pedals or chain. No mechanical advantage except for the wheels which are round. And it is fun.
I have a 2014 DeRosa with rim brakes, HED wheels, Zipp bars etc., that rides smooth as butter and whisper quiet on the road. All I do is clean it and re-lube. Easy to maintain. Wouldn't trade for new.
What model, I have a 2016 de rosa sk pininfarina direct mount rim brake, 6.5kg , campingolo super record 11 speed. De rosa makes awesome bikes to bad they only offer disc now.
Thanks for helping me out again, I was weighing buying a new bike until I saw some of your recent videos. I am proud new owner of 2010 caad9 made in USA for $600 off fb
we disagree on many points but i love your passion, and respect you as a mechanic and rider. GCN is pay for play, there is not a bike or part on there that has not paid to be on there, thats a fact. Yes, i think all the brands struggle with QC because they are not vertically integrated, they don't know what happens in the factory. Fastest TdF, fastest Roubaix is an indicator that riders are better (maybe drugs, i'm not naive) and bikes are faster. Yes, your point on the WR in the 10k in running is not comparable in biking but it serves as an indicator, the races aren't getting slower. I also feel that when you only focus on weight you disregard aerodynamics, not sure about the Winspace bike behind you in a wind tunnel. Not a pissing match, i think you have a lot of good points.
As a middle aged guy with a bunch of dentist bikes, I have to agree on a couple of the points... I build my own bikes, and the 2018 Cervelo S5 with rim breaks is over a pound lighter and much easier to build and maintain than my 2023 Cervelo S5... Also have to agree its no faster. It is sexier and gets lots comments from my dentist friends though 😆
I'm with you.. the CR1 I recently got 2013 rim w sram is a true dream. Took it out finally for the first time and I see what you are speaking my friend, the TRUTH!! Rim for me my not perform better but it's lighter and wayyyyy less to mess with!
I’ve got a large frame aluminium 2019 Allez sport. ‘Sagan’ edition. Like the one he raced the day before Tour Down Under that year. Rim brakes, ultegra. 60mm LUN wheelset and it’s mid 7kg with pedals and a frame pump. Paid £600 for the frame and £400 for the wheelset. Already had the ultegra groupset/saddle/bars from my 2012 Allez. What £1000 bike brand new would be as fast and light as that setup? How much would it cost to get an equivalent performing bike? I bought it to race crits, so kit really that bothered about a particularly lightweight setup, but it’s way lighter, more aero and responsive than the disc brake contraptions most of my dentist/banker/sales rep friends have got.
I just purchased a custom made Aluminum Gravel frame from China for $317 USD. I have a quote from my local bike shop (I am not living in Oz at the moment) for a total fit out minus wheels (I have them already) for $750 USD.... Total bike with top spec (not top name) gear 1 x 12 kit, 38mm tyres, everything I need. $1150USD.. As a comparison, Carbon framed Cube with all the same spec as mine is ,currently $3500USD not including import tax... Go figure...
I Actually love my light gravel bike ( Canyon CF SL 7 Sram Etap ) and I have had a Cannondale CAAD4 Durace. Also I think is more than worth the 3k I spent for it and would not like to give up on hydraulic brakes, larger tyres, less weight and super reliable electronic shifting.
Ebike Scrapper 1 second ago I bought a £150 second hand 21 speed, v brake Trek hybrid, put mudguards and a rack on it. Been out in all weather's, does the job and a good buy
I bought a roubaix SL2 2010 off ebay (UK) for £350, ksyrium elite wheels April last year. It's a beast, I can fit 30mm tyres poss 32 I'm not sure(running corsa 28's,tubed). 14 years later ignoring disc brakes....have things moved on...? Its fairly light, it's a beast.....ps I have a Ti van nic, lovely too.
I have a Di2, disc brake bike that weighs 8 kg in total and a mechanical Ultegra, rim brake one that weighs 7.5 kg. Both ride equally well. So, this video is definitely true.
I went to a bike shop here in the UK this afternoon C68 with Campy Super Record electronic, latest Campag Hyperlon Wheels £15,999....just silly money, you use to be able to buy a Colnago frame for £2,000.......I agree I am sticking to my older carbon frame with rim brakes, bikes are concentrating too much on Aero gains rather than a well balanced light enough overall frame, that works well.....bombing down the Alps myself 40 years riding, rims are much better and more controlled, those disc wheels are a nightmare, though they are good in the wet but just as good as rims TBH. I don't like the very late braking into corners either with discs, you can go faster around hairpins and more controlled with rims. Most recent trip, most experienced or good riders are using rims still, good alloys like Shamals for experience riders I saw, good rim, spokes and hub, easily serviced. You need to have a bike that is safe, most important especially in the Alps, Dolomites etc.
And, what Specialized doesn't tell you is, they sell a few 100 Top end 20k S works bikes, and then 10,000s 105 level bikes. They bate everyone with top tech bikes , and make the most $$ on the mid and lower end bikes. And get you to upgrade at full msrp. $$$$$$$
100% agree. I sold my light focus cayo that came in at 7kg on the dot that I built up for £2k think my gravel bike could do it all. So wrong. Now I'm looking at a cheap carbon bike to build up and there is barely anything brand new. Most reasonable priced bikes are alloy with mechanical disc and weigh well over 10kg. Luckily boardman still have the SLR 8.9 in rim brakes and I got it for under £1k and 8.7kg so hopefully with wheels, tyres and saddle changes I do on all bikes I might be able to get it around the 7.5kg. however this time I'm not going to sell my rim brake road bike as I think brand new road bikes will be out of the question as I will never pay the money to get a decent one now and the stuff at my budget is shit.
I've got this bike. Put alloy aero bars and a lighter alloy stem on, 105 pedals and my dad's old Corima tubulars S7 with Vittoria 23mm and it's just under 8kg. Rides well as well, only thing I may change is the crankset.
Have a carbon bike bought in 2014, pre disc brakes. weighs in at 8kg. I only use it when there is alot of climbing involved. And quite honestly the benifit is marginal, with 73yr old legs its all in the gears not the weight. Overall my Steel 531c Bob Jackson custom made for me is a better bike. Sure its 2kg heavier but is a joy to ride.
I worked with a small custom frame building shop in France. They built for well known pro team bike sponsors. I would get a few frames each year to sell. I had a very hard time because the frames were not branded and expensive, even though they were exactly the same as what the pros used.
Every one has his own opinion.. i have been changing bikes.. branded.. different brands..but that most important ...in the end is a bike that works... salute mr. Durian Rider
Spot on Harley. Consumers should be able to choose .. manufacturers are focused on profit and shareholder returns for the current and near term .. they aren’t discuses in best for consumers
I can attest, I found a beat up old 10 speed 105 right mechanical shifter at a swap meet, who knows what abuse it has taken. Paid 20 us dollars. Sprayed it with some wd 40, got it to work then purchased the left shifter for $40 bucks on e-bay. That was over 5 years ago. Just recently replaced existing cable with teflon coated cables, and added a few drops of prolink chain lube on the internals on the shifters and it shift like butter. Try to do that if you are on a budget with any type of electronic setup. Not possible at all. Still ride an aluminum frame bike. Sometimes I go to the local bike shop and lift these carbon marvels, and I can say some bikes are heavier than my bike that only my seat post, fork and saddle are carbon. I love cycling, I'm your average middle age rider and when climbing a hill and I pass someone who has a 7k - 10K bike I ask WHY????
As UCI governs just about everything regarding bikes these days maybe they should price limits to so that competitive cycling remains accessible to everyone?
I don't know if you watch Movistar's Pablo's vlogs, but there was one episode where the mechanic is swapping out the cockpit and he was fiddling around with the whole thing for quite sometime because of all the integrated cables. It didn't look like he was having fun with it.
I ride a 1993 and 1995 Eddy Merckx. Both are steel. I'm comfortable and love them. I think the new carbon bikes with disc brakes don't look as good as mine. Plus the new bikes tubes are square ⬛️. I love the round tubes looks.
2016 allez sport E5 with Winspace Lun 45mm carbon wheels Sora R3000, freaking easy to work on and replacement parts are dirt cheap. $1200 CAD total cost with upgraded parts.
Well I was out of road riding for over 10 years. Semi retired and moved to Florida,I’m back at it with my old Trek 2007 Madone that I ordered a project one because I worked at a Trek store at the Time. Yea , They almost got me me with the disk brakes ,electric shifting and all internal cabling. The one thing that did make a difference on my old Trek was some Zipp 404s Carbon Clinchers that were in Cherry condition . I quite enjoy riding those. Oh there is virtually, no climbing here. Just Wind. My old light weight alloy wheels spin up faster but don’t hold speed like the Zipps.
I got 10 minutes in so not sure if you said it after that but a major factor for disc brakes is the Instagram photo of a bike with full integration of hoses and wires. That is the single most important thing to major brands
I completely listen to this video and i would agree to this man yes. the cycling brands are unwantedly hyping up the tech so much that there are so high prices for bikes in India. as a cyclist and young if I wanted to get a good MTB with proper working suspensions and brakes yes we have to pay way more than we earn as students and interns. so yes it is turning into the expensive hobby😢. yet I still managed to buy one 2nd hand MTB from Indian brand and going hard🔥 this is just a wake-up call for us to choose what is working for your environment and needs and not ride the hype 💯
Totally mental that bikes cost £12-15k - if you want something that looks cool, is really heavy and is proper fast and with disc brakes you can buy a motorbike even a superbike for less cash - I’m a veterinarian, in the dentist bike market and my new Scott Addict RC Pro looks the nuts but is no faster than my old aluminium Bianchi with rim brakes - and the old mechanical Ultegra on that bike is so smooth
The bike companies are following the same path as Apple Make you buy your replacements from them as it's all proprietary. Get you on the way in, and on the way out.
The annoying think is how the group set makers stop making top quality components for older tech, like 10 speed cassettes,and other parts, quick release rim brake wheels being phased out. If I want a top end car for the family car I can get one the isn't a formula one car, why cannot us club riders have top quality that isn't designed for professional racers?
you are disregarding a huge factor that also addsweight to diskbrake bikes. Its the assymetric load and stress a disk brake setup introduces into the frame and fork. A disk brake frame and fork will never be as light and reliable than its rim counterpart. Plus ofc all the extra weight the groupset put on the disk bike. I work in a bikeshop in Austria, we do road bikes exclusively. You wouldnt believe the amount of people who come in with a +-6kg Bike and swap it in for a 8kg disk brake Di2 bike. And guess who buys those top notch rim brake bikes that we take back from those customers? The most ripped, fast and slender riders in the area. On every climb in the area you see rim brake riders dropping the disk tanks, uphill as well as downhill
It's Great to see and hear you telling the truth about how utterly sh*t the new bikes are , I still Race my Rim brake Giant SL bikes and I will never be riding Discs as I hate how difficult the cycle industry is making bikes for people, Rim brakes for life - They Work , They are easy to work on. The Industry has completely ruined cycling nowadays - Long Live DurianRider
Peter Sagan rode the PR with mechanical groupset......that tells you what the guy thinks about bike evolution. Bianchi handlebar broke because of over tighthening of the lever clamps. (there's no other explanation)
At the Tokyo Olympics a couple years ago, a non sponsored event, a bunch of the riders were on rim brakes I heard. Seems like everyone who could get their hands on one used one.
I love hearing the real facts in your videos. I ride an old Specialized Allez ,chromoly frame, rim brakes, the bike is very old but suoer clean. I get other cyclists pulling up to me all the time, looking at my bike like I'm a dirt bag, because I'm riding an ancient road bike. But ,honestly, of my 5 bikes, I have 2 expensive race bikes, I ride thst old Allez the most. I can't explain how smooth and fun to ride thst old Allez.
How many races do you see today where a rider gets stuck in the wrong gear because his electronic shifting crapped out? I see it occur in practically every race. Sure, you had derailleur problems at times with mechanical, usually after a crash or something, but never to the extent I'm seeing it today. Rarely would a rider be just riding along and suddenly not be able to shift.
Funny stumbling across this comment today. A rider in the Giro last week had to change his rear derailleur battery on the go, reaching down behind him to swap 😂
Very funny, I assume that was dripping with sarcasm. How about putting ~45-57 psi in some 30mm tyres. Unless your surface is super smooth, research shows that will actually make you faster. But you'd rather feel all the buzz at 23mm and 85+psi? You believe that's faster because....?
@Rhys Adams I'm not joking. I have a custom road bike with 42 mm tyres, dynamo lights and mudguards. One rides faster with supple tyres because every vibration of the bike gets transferred to the body of the rider where it's transformed into heat - wasted, wasted from the propulsion!
Dude you are a Legend and are as entertaining as F***k 🤣🤣👊🏾✊🏾 I’ve been riding rim braked bikes since 1988 when I was living in Jamaica and I’m not planning to change to a road disc braked bike any time soon.
I agree in general about the ridiculous cost of bikes against quality now and 10-15 years ago there are lots of things don’t add up. I wouldn’t use Paris roubaix as an example of quality of a bike there were plenty of quality machines from 15 years ago destroyed by the cobbles . Endorsements and selling out well I can’t criticise I have sold out myself on more than 1 occasion. Generally the bike industry is heading in the wrong direction it’s true but that cannot stop any of us getting out getting in the miles and enjoying all that brings
I’ve still got my Penny Farthing from 1894. You all sold out.
🧐😂
😅 I agree.😂
I stand on a rock with a stick drilled thru the center. Penny is way too advance.
I have the 1893 model. It is the best. Rim brakes. Your 1894 has disc brakes. Too heavy, dangerous
I went into a bike shop a few weeks a go and they had a nice "size small" BMC($6,500) with sram group set,and it looked awesome.
I said to the mechanic,"Could you just put it on the scales to check the weight.
...it was over 8 kgs.
I said my Winspace SLC is 7.0 kgs with ultegra groupo and deep dish hyper wheels,so I'd be going backwards if I brought this,and it cost more.🤦♂️🤷♂️
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yep mine is less than 8kg as well, batteries, disk brakes add's up to more weight, more maintenance, more cost and more problems. OK if your a semi professional where tenths in time matter. Understand watts saved and gained over a 200km trip can win or lose you a race.
Yikes. That's on par with my Ritchey road logic steel frame running SRAM Red 22 mechanical.
I called our GCN on this, calling them "bike manufacturer sales partner and oficial sell out mouthpiece's" and poof my comment was removed. Im calling that a win.
I just wish Durianrider would tell us what he really thinks.
Im almost convinced he believes what he says.
😅
@@anonymous12B Yeah you nailed it. So many noobs out there that have no idea that the cycling industry has been doing this for so many years. The latest tech is the latest gimmicks that people like GCN hype to death. And it isn't confined to bikes. Aero everything is super trendy. How about gravel bikes? Oh that's right they have been around for ages went by the name cyclo cross bikes.
@@danm3359 When you say a cyclocrosser is a gravel bike, you have no idea about geometry and tire clearance. I have a cyclo crosser. Bad to drive off-road: steep steering angle, narrow tires. It's a piece of sports equipment for cyclocrossing, but not what a normal cyclist on bad roads needs.
@@walterhofer937I was a cyclocross rider and still ride my cyclocross bike and it do anything these so called grovel bikes ( intended )do it’s just marketing if you want to be comfortable off road get a mountain bike
The only point of technological advances in the industry is to sell more bikes. I’ve been watching racing for 35 years and I don’t care about which bike is most advanced and more aero. I want to see the best rider win. The bike doesn’t matter.
I stopped the other day to help a disc rider on his new bike who had a puncture. He couldn’t get his front wheel out to put his bike in his wife’s car to go home. When I looked the bonded nut was spinning in the fork. The bike had seatpost scores from the post slipping down and non bonded fork not bad for a month old bike. He didn’t have any tools, tubes, worms because he’d been told tubeless never punctures. I took the rear wheel out and in the car it went what a great start to his cycling.
FACTS!!!
He asked for it
This is a PROBLEM. A guy like this quits cycling in weeks if he has to call his wife to fetch him.
More second hand components for us 👍
The bike industry has regressed, by design..for cyclists. For the venture cap funds that own the brands, it is lit.
Agreed. My bikes were both purchased used; a2010 Scott and a 2012 Specialized. Conventional headset and seat post, external cable routing, rim brakes, everything easy to work on. Nice and light too. Easy to pick up bikes like this very cheap. Usually they have been hanging unused in someone's garage.
I'm riding a Scott CR-1 Team I bought in 2009 (new). Shimano 105 10sp mechanical, Aksium rims; a dinosaur to some, and sure I'd like Di2 TBH, but it's still riding perfectly =)
Bought a 2011 Specialized Secteur new in 2012 from lbs. $495 USD, rides great, easy to work on and fitted to me by another bike shop. Literally will only upgrade when it falls apart. Not spending price of car on a bike😂.
Yep picked up 2010 trek for 70 pound.
Exactly, buy their slightly used good old bike for pennies on the dollar and let them deal with the headaches of the latest and greatest thing.
That Once 2003 jacket😄. It shows you have been around cycling for a long time. I agree on your points. Bikes should be fast but simple.
The truth is the bike industry know they can only sell so many bikes, it's a triangle with 2 wheels and road bikes peaked some years ago. The bike industry isn't interested in advancing the sport it's interested in making money. The move to 29" wheels was pushed on everyone and we had no choice to keep 26" wheels, they were made obsolete almost overnight. Rim brakes were replaced for disc because the industry wanted to push carbon wheels without the issue of rim failure due to overheating of the brake track on clincher wheels. Carbon rim tubular had been used for years with no issues but the industry knew dentists wouldn't be able to ride a bike with tubulars too much faff sticking tyres on so clinchers were pushed. What I hate about the industry is how they push a change in tech to everyone and remove the options. If the big bike brands made all this disc road and people wanted to buy it fair enough if you offer choice and we can still buy what we want but no it's taken away. However, it does us a favour in one respect because we can pick up great deals on second hand gear that's mint because the dentists want the latest tech.... or rather they fall for the marketing and when their bike is leant against the wall at the cafe it matches the other bikes.
People buying things they don't need to impress people they don't even know just so they feel that they fit in. I'd rather buy what I know is the better performing and easier to maintain tech..
I hate disc brakes had a horrible experience and went back to an S-Works Sl6 rim brakes. Sticking with rim brakes forever even if my next bike has to be custom made
I found a picture where the whole Arkea- Samsic team used alloy stems at Paris Roubaix. The caption was blunt about it. It definitely stands out, but I agree with you. I feel much safer on alloy.
99.9% of the professionals prefer aluminum bars/stems
Still riding my 1990 Cannondale CAD 3 aluminum R900.
Man has been speaking facts and preaching this gospel since day 1. Mad respect!!! I appreciate you for helping me spend sub 2k on a bike and dropping jokers on sl7’s
I recently bought a new carbon road bike suposedly to replace my old one. Nothing wrong with the old one, it's in pretty good condition. New one has newer "tech" so hydraulic disc brakes and whatnot. Imagine my surprise when I discovered it 1kg heavier? The wheels themselves are 550g heavier, the frame is 100g heavier and so on.. Progress eh? In the defense as the new bike though, I have changed pretty much everything on the old bike in the persuit of weight savings. Great video.
“Affiliate Advertising” without believing in the product.
I just bought a mint BH Ultralight with Zipp 202 for 1350 USD... the gear of dreams is now affordable so for that I am grateful
I commute every day on my 2013 Scott Alloy Speedster, Women's Specific.
Yep, it gets serviced every 6mths. Upgraded the wheel set, and I absolutely love the rim break, manual shimano 105 group set.
After watching your videos, I'm too scared to buy a new bike with all expensive crap out there. Plus the service guys in the shop are so pushy and don't listen to what you want.
Wow, he just saved me a shit load of money by snapping me out of the corporate aero bike psyop. Kudo's to durianrider@!
Lol psyop? Aero bikes are faster tho weight only matters on climbs
I am totally with you buddy. Disc brakes for the dirt and GCN need to reach out to the little man, the every day rider, the weekend rider who works all week. How can a push bike be worth more than a car and the key comments aren't fit for purpose !
GCN's ex pro riders are becoming excellent presenters but the show, in my opinion is biased towards elite athleticism and not Joe Bloggs who doesn't need to save a few grams or a few watts
To be fair, they do both but sponsors have to get their due. Unlike here, where love of the sport matters above all.
I am sure they are all nice people but how can some of them call their selves ex pro riders when their career lasted 5 years. In any other field of work they would be called ex apprentices.
@@IronHorsey3 Fair point Roman, I just think that GCN has to push all the latest tech out there based on sales and marketing. Hambini calls it something else. Having listened to so many other channels out there that basically tell the truth, I think that it is about time that the major bike brands were held accountable and they don't like it.
For example I have never understood why the varying gear ratios and standards have change all of a sudden. Surely Shimano and Sram amongst the others should keep or redesign gear ratio combinations for the basic average rider and not the select chosen few who are in the Pro peloton and get their pics posted everywhere to promote the product. Top end stuff is for the Pro riders and it does not last ! plus it's too expensive and not durable for Mr Average.
Durian tell it like it is and I like it. I do not want to sound negative but cycling should be simple and I get it at the highest level where chain lube can save 3 watts but when I go for a ride in my local hills, this has got nothing to do with it.
@@2wheelsrbest327 Totally agree 2 wheels r best, they are now presenters who can ride bikes but the show is always chatting about aero this and watts that and the latest 12 speed what have you. Personally I am not interested in that. I just want honest productions where if something is shite ( crap) then they can say it rather than gloss over a paid promotion.
@@2wheelsrbest327 if you drove a bus for 5 years you were still a bus driver. A pizza delivery guy can call himself a "professional driver" due to being paid to do it.
The GCN guys have at least been doing it for long enough to know what they're talking about. Problem is everything they ride is basically the same!
Refreshing to hear this DR. Encapsulates why I love cycling ... and Aussies! Some of the channels you mention produce high quality, entertaining videos which I enjoy but 100% push a completely distorted view of what average joe needs to get into cycling.
Malcolm the Barrister vs The Aussie Bogan
My 2007 Trek Madone SSL6.5 is a superb bike & I have no cumpulsion to change it. Dura Ace group set still performs like new. Obvious maintainance, cables, new pads (rim brake), sprockets, chains, wheels etc keep it running like new. The frame is the same spec Lance Armstrong used on mountain stages during the 2005 tour. If it could handle his power it can handle mine. Weight is on the lower UCI limit. Why would I want anything else?
I have the 5.5 Madone, 2007 also.....absolutely love it. Got it for $1,100 and upgraded the wheelset. These $12-15K prices for bikes are ridiculous !
l ll take my buddies 7kg 2010 550 Madone 10spd DA anyday over the new one !! try riding with lots of turns some hills etc the old model will kill the new one in watts n time !!
My brake was rubbing on my Emonda alr during a fast group ride with sprints, and I just reached down and opened the caliper literally on the fly. You could never do that with disc brakes.
Harley, I'm totally diggin' the pink ONCE jacket and Domo Farm - Frittes beanie you found. Why were the team kits of the early to mid 2000's so much better than today's, along with the equipment? I'm still rocking and loving my 2007 Cervelo R3 SL back when Vroomen and White were running the show and their bikes were made with hand-laid carbon. I'm running a traditional 10 x 53 - 39 setup using 2010 SRAM Red mechanical shifters and rim brake levers, cranks, etc. 60 mm Reynolds carbon aero wheels and 23 cm clinchers. Whenever I bring my bike into a shop for service, the mechanics are always amazed by how light it is. The fact you can pick it up easily with your pinky finger tells you all you need to know about the bikes weight. If you ride mostly on flat to rolling or even hilly terrain, rim brakes are perfectly suitable with carbon wheels. Long mountain descents are perhaps a little different, but 80% of road cyclist never event venture there, so why are so many people hung up on disc brakes?
A guy at work recently started getting into cycling recently so splashed out on a 3200 pound (I guess 6000 AUD) bike. When it was due to be delivered he was telling me how excited he was to get out on it, After the weekend I asked him how he got on and he said "terribly", he said he didnt realise that he was supposed to charge up the batteries before taking it out so his battery went flat and he was stuck in top gear for most of his ride.
After this he was feeling much less enthusiastic about going out again the following weekend.
It just made me realise how glad I am Ive still got cable operated brakes - I dont have to worry about forgetting to charge anything up!!
You're friend was retarded for not knowing the need to charge the grp set then you blame the tech 🤣
Yeah not reliable either imagine getting stuck with broken electric di2 in the middle of Peru somewhere 🤩
I enjoyed Chris Miller and Co's comments on your criticism of top end bike gear. Many others think the same thing as you but they don't and can't say it
The disc brake front end summed up…
The beefed up hub, the fortified fork, the rotor, the whole braking mech…all that weight on the far end of the fork = ill handling, goofy feel.
The scraping sound, the air bubble, take it to the shop maintenance frequency.
Marketing brands who sell bike stuff...... so well said. I'm totally stealing that one. great video
“Dentist bike industry” hahaha so good!
I recently had my LBS build up a Surly Midnight Special for me (all external cabling, and I put mechanical GRX on it). When I dropped off all the parts, they told me it would be about a week before it's done. Well the mechanics must have been so happy the bike was all external cabling, no integrating headset/handlebars, and all mechanical (I guess besides the hydro brakes but hey it's a gravel bike) that they built it the very next day LOL
The mechanics were Probably fighting over who got to build it 😂
They can't even make a round hole that is why they are going back to threaded BB
Lol
How can the bike industry save itself? Let's assume somehow, one day, everything crashes down and people are like screw this, it's over 10 grand to buy a new bike with all of the wizz bang stuff new from a shop (even more actually), and people stop buying bikes. How could the industry fix this stuff and not look like they were wrong all this time? I feel like they are in it so deep now, they almost have to go down with the ship.
Imagine if one of the big brands started offering a rim brake bike (again), and one of the UCI teams had riders that wanted to ride it, they do, they win big races, now what do they do? All of this "aero", "more stopping power" marketing is out the window.
Just the fact that there are financing options available for bikes anymore is crazy to me, I mean I can't even imagine financing a BICYCLE and having that monthly bill show up and not punching myself in the face.
Good thouhts!
in europe business is already going down.
What are you talking about? As far as I can see, almost every brand still has rim brakes on offer. From Speci to Cannondale, Giant, Merida, Basso, Canyon, Rose...
Bike companies have become lifestyle brands.
Posers will be posers and riders will be riders.
Yeah I have a 2012 Giant TCR SL Full Carbon bike with internal cabling, rim brakes, 10speed, mainly Dura ace parts. It's an absolute pleasure to ride but I have spent some on maintaining it to keep it in almost new condition. I've looked at all the new bikes and I have too stay for an amateur rider I cannot find anything that is really much better than my bike. Cost of my used bike, $1300 + Power Pro Power Meter Ultegra $1500 + New Chain $50 + Ultegra pedals $200 + brakes pads +$20 + New cables $180 + BB $90 +Two different bike shops after the original Ultegra crank fitted to fix crank creek +$100 = $3440 Total. Too replace this bike with same new cost $5000+ min
Have you seen the new gcn video durianrider? They try to convince a rim brake cyclist to convert to heavy new tech? They mention, "but he was 10% quicker up the climb", but exactly like you said he was riding alongside another cyclist. They're trying to gaslight the cycling community. Keep up the good work mate.
The 10% quicker comment was related to the wider wheels/tyres and lower pressure, how it transmitted less vibration, felt slower but wasn't. Ironically for your argument, given durianrider's Paris-Roubaix comments, lower pressures and slightly wider tyres is something the pros HAVE been doing in that race.
@@artgreen6915 As I said, the comparison between previous efforts he made is irrelevant unless all the other conditions are the same. Si could have been pushing hard up that climb alongside him and the previous best effort could have been done solo. Of course the pros use lower pressures at Paris Roubaix. I rode the sportive the day before the pros raced, it's almost impossible for an amateur to ride sectors like the forest of Arenberg at 120 psi. Do you know what else the pro race had this year.... adjustable tyre pressures. Lower pressures for the cobbles and then the ability to inflate on the tarmac. Do you think running 60 psi on the flat tarmac is actually faster than 110 or 120 psi? Besides paris roubaix is such an extreme example where the conditions aren't relevant to 99% of cyclists out there. What Durianrider and many of us are annoyed at is that cycling companies today, like specialized, are telling us via the GCN propaganda machine that by buying their new tech which allows you to run at significantly lower pressures is going to make you a faster cyclist up climbs. It's just false information. In the short term it's good for the more informed cyclist because we can buy the "old school" products, rim brakes etc at a substantial discount, however, in the long term they will just be phased out completely. It's a disgrace, with the corporations getting richer at the expense of the amateur road cyclists.
Did get a last of its kind 2019 Bianchi Specialissima, rim brakes, campy 12sp record, shamal wheelset, 27.2m seatpost. Also rebuilt a 2015 Oltre xr2 with a Black Friday deal 11sp centaur group, Shimano cassette works with it, used Bontrager wheelset 50mm with aluminum brake track. Both fast, easy to work on, nice rides work well for me.
Everything Durianrider says in this is spot on, lets hope in the future that more riders come to realise this, for all of our benefit. I've been riding week in week out for 35 years on all the types of bike disciplines and tech levels and can also confirm for free that the best generation of bikes were the best simple lightweight carbon frames from around 10-20 years ago and indeed the groupsets such as DA 7800 or Record 10 were the best that were ever made - the modern stuff has not got better, in many ways the quality and performance is a lot worse. Agree that the Winspace is one if the best frames currently available, or often advise people to search out something like a second hand Colnago - their are still currently some rare quirky options that don't get much mention such as Litespeed will still sell you a Ultimate frame in proper rim format in 2023 - so clever riders can still find a prime setup and maybe rock some Robbie McEwan style on a frame with real racing pedigree... something you can build up and actually enjoy riding it rather than spending half your time fixing it. The current bike industry is interesting as it is a perfect microcosm of late capitalist hyper consumerist toss that permeates through almost every product that needs to be 'made', the sooner that people wise up to it the better. Keep ranting dude.
I agree: Rode Campagnolo 10speed for 20 years without any issues. Now Campagnolo 12 speed Super record: After 2000km first cable rupture, after 8000km second cable rupture, After 12.000km the whole Ergopower rigthandside broke down and needed to be replaced by Campagnolo. Just bullshit modern tech.
@@TimSchulzks Yep, in Shimano- Duraace 7800 every item was near perfection, so simple, well made and the shift quality was so slick. Every iteration after that got worse shifting until they got to 9100, which was close to perfect as long as one substituted out the innovatively exploding crank design. I still use 7800 brake callipers on my best bike, they still perform the same as the day I installed them near 20 years ago - and I've barely had to touch them for setup or maintenance. How many modern groupsets will still be performing in 20 years time? I'd guess zero.
God damnit Durian rider. I'm looking for my first road bike and now I'm questioning everything.
Depends on your use case. Don't listen to this bullcrap unless you're only crit racing in the dry.
Good that you're questioning everything. Find a bike that fits well, that you love the look and ride of, vs trying to impress others. I ride a a 1970 steel Peugeot which I bought second hand for $300 and wouldn't swap it for anything else because I love the way it fits, rides and looks. I'm only a casual rider though, but the above advice is the same for any type of riding.
LOL - we need more Aussie Bogan ranting reviews like this.
I sold my 12 year old rim brake all mech road bike this year and went for a Trek Domane. The new Domane is a nice bike and suits me at 62 with beat up hips, shoulders and spine. Thing is 1.3 kg heavier and cost almost twice as much as my old bike.
But did a 85km through beautiful England with my old road dog mate on his pock marked old steel frame winter mechanical. He was well ahead of me, on all terrain though we are well matched riders.
Anyway, simplification is the key, nothing wrong with inexpensive well tried tech that gets you over those hills.
Agreed! Top price does not equal top usefulness.
In 2023 top price DEFINITELY doesn't mean top performance.
@@durianriders it never has lol
@@durianriders my bikes range from a 1954 Hetchin lighweight to a Specialized Diverge carbon thing with disks. The Diverge rides ok but it is not fit for purpose for what it is touted for - bikepacking into the wilderness as it has too much stuff that is not bodgeable on the roadside :(
@@durianriders in fact , I have been so sick of the tech hype that 5 years ago I went back to using a footbike/scooter - no gears, pedals or chain. No mechanical advantage except for the wheels which are round. And it is fun.
I have a 2014 DeRosa with rim brakes, HED wheels, Zipp bars etc., that rides smooth as butter and whisper quiet on the road. All I do is clean it and re-lube. Easy to maintain. Wouldn't trade for new.
What model, I have a 2016 de rosa sk pininfarina direct mount rim brake, 6.5kg , campingolo super record 11 speed. De rosa makes awesome bikes to bad they only offer disc now.
R838 with Ultegrea Di2 It just goes. @@cbb3062
Thanks for helping me out again, I was weighing buying a new bike until I saw some of your recent videos. I am proud new owner of 2010 caad9 made in USA for $600 off fb
we disagree on many points but i love your passion, and respect you as a mechanic and rider. GCN is pay for play, there is not a bike or part on there that has not paid to be on there, thats a fact. Yes, i think all the brands struggle with QC because they are not vertically integrated, they don't know what happens in the factory. Fastest TdF, fastest Roubaix is an indicator that riders are better (maybe drugs, i'm not naive) and bikes are faster. Yes, your point on the WR in the 10k in running is not comparable in biking but it serves as an indicator, the races aren't getting slower. I also feel that when you only focus on weight you disregard aerodynamics, not sure about the Winspace bike behind you in a wind tunnel. Not a pissing match, i think you have a lot of good points.
As a middle aged guy with a bunch of dentist bikes, I have to agree on a couple of the points... I build my own bikes, and the 2018 Cervelo S5 with rim breaks is over a pound lighter and much easier to build and maintain than my 2023 Cervelo S5... Also have to agree its no faster. It is sexier and gets lots comments from my dentist friends though 😆
2009 Fuji Roubaix, Dura Ace 10 speed. Mavic Kysirium clinchers. All I need.
People who buy bikes that cost $20000, have lost their MasterCards. They now have SlaveCards!
For a moment I thought Pantani uploaded a new video
Not enough cocaine.
durianrider is the anti-Fred we don't deserve.
keep killing it, Harley!
Gaping’ them cheeks to marketing department. You have a way with words. 😂
I'm with you.. the CR1 I recently got 2013 rim w sram is a true dream. Took it out finally for the first time and I see what you are speaking my friend, the TRUTH!!
Rim for me my not perform better but it's lighter and wayyyyy less to mess with!
I'm building up a Chinese open mould road bike with an L-Twoo 12 speed mechanical groupset, rim brakes, alloy stem and bar and a 27.2 seatpost.
Awesome
And?
@@johnnunn8688 And what?
@@volvofh800 question wasn’t to you.
Smart!!!!
I’ve got a large frame aluminium 2019 Allez sport. ‘Sagan’ edition. Like the one he raced the day before Tour Down Under that year. Rim brakes, ultegra. 60mm LUN wheelset and it’s mid 7kg with pedals and a frame pump. Paid £600 for the frame and £400 for the wheelset. Already had the ultegra groupset/saddle/bars from my 2012 Allez. What £1000 bike brand new would be as fast and light as that setup? How much would it cost to get an equivalent performing bike? I bought it to race crits, so kit really that bothered about a particularly lightweight setup, but it’s way lighter, more aero and responsive than the disc brake contraptions most of my dentist/banker/sales rep friends have got.
I just purchased a custom made Aluminum Gravel frame from China for $317 USD. I have a quote from my local bike shop (I am not living in Oz at the moment) for a total fit out minus wheels (I have them already) for $750 USD.... Total bike with top spec (not top name) gear 1 x 12 kit, 38mm tyres, everything I need. $1150USD.. As a comparison, Carbon framed Cube with all the same spec as mine is ,currently $3500USD not including import tax... Go figure...
I Actually love my light gravel bike ( Canyon CF SL 7 Sram Etap ) and I have had a Cannondale CAAD4 Durace. Also I think is more than worth the 3k I spent for it and would not like to give up on hydraulic brakes, larger tyres, less weight and super reliable electronic shifting.
this channel is a cult with stupid nitpicking
Road bikes are for going, f the stopping. =
Ebike Scrapper
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I bought a £150 second hand 21 speed, v brake Trek hybrid, put mudguards and a rack on it. Been out in all weather's, does the job and a good buy
Triple chain ring and 7 on cassette doesn’t = 21 speed.
@@johnnunn8688 3 X 7 = 21. Are you thinking it should be described as a 7 speed.
@@ebikescrapper3925 no, 15 speed at most.
@@johnnunn8688 in reality yes, no bike shop or company will tell you this when selling it to you
“It’s because the Nike alpha fly” hahahaha best comment ever 😂
I bought a roubaix SL2 2010 off ebay (UK) for £350, ksyrium elite wheels April last year. It's a beast, I can fit 30mm tyres poss 32 I'm not sure(running corsa 28's,tubed). 14 years later ignoring disc brakes....have things moved on...? Its fairly light, it's a beast.....ps I have a Ti van nic, lovely too.
I have a Di2, disc brake bike that weighs 8 kg in total and a mechanical Ultegra, rim brake one that weighs 7.5 kg. Both ride equally well. So, this video is definitely true.
I went to a bike shop here in the UK this afternoon C68 with Campy Super Record electronic, latest Campag Hyperlon Wheels £15,999....just silly money, you use to be able to buy a Colnago frame for £2,000.......I agree I am sticking to my older carbon frame with rim brakes, bikes are concentrating too much on Aero gains rather than a well balanced light enough overall frame, that works well.....bombing down the Alps myself 40 years riding, rims are much better and more controlled, those disc wheels are a nightmare, though they are good in the wet but just as good as rims TBH. I don't like the very late braking into corners either with discs, you can go faster around hairpins and more controlled with rims. Most recent trip, most experienced or good riders are using rims still, good alloys like Shamals for experience riders I saw, good rim, spokes and hub, easily serviced. You need to have a bike that is safe, most important especially in the Alps, Dolomites etc.
And, what Specialized doesn't tell you is, they sell a few 100 Top end 20k S works bikes, and then 10,000s 105 level bikes. They bate everyone with top tech bikes , and make the most $$ on the mid and lower end bikes. And get you to upgrade at full msrp. $$$$$$$
100% agree. I sold my light focus cayo that came in at 7kg on the dot that I built up for £2k think my gravel bike could do it all. So wrong. Now I'm looking at a cheap carbon bike to build up and there is barely anything brand new. Most reasonable priced bikes are alloy with mechanical disc and weigh well over 10kg. Luckily boardman still have the SLR 8.9 in rim brakes and I got it for under £1k and 8.7kg so hopefully with wheels, tyres and saddle changes I do on all bikes I might be able to get it around the 7.5kg. however this time I'm not going to sell my rim brake road bike as I think brand new road bikes will be out of the question as I will never pay the money to get a decent one now and the stuff at my budget is shit.
I've got this bike. Put alloy aero bars and a lighter alloy stem on, 105 pedals and my dad's old Corima tubulars S7 with Vittoria 23mm and it's just under 8kg. Rides well as well, only thing I may change is the crankset.
Totally agree. Disc suck for road. Hydraulic instead of cables for brakes is overkill
At Paris Roubaix, this year, Peter Sagan went back to mechanical groupset. He was not ‘risking’ it. Yeah, he crashed, but that’s beside the point.
Yeah, I wonder what the winner used?
@@lupo3694 LUCK!
Correct:
Sagan has proven himself more than most pros in contemporary cycling.
Whatever he does IS RIGHT.
The tech could be way faster but the UCI defines what can be raced and what can't.
Its all marketing.
Have a carbon bike bought in 2014, pre disc brakes. weighs in at 8kg. I only use it when there is alot of climbing involved. And quite honestly the benifit is marginal, with 73yr old legs its all in the gears not the weight. Overall my Steel 531c Bob Jackson custom made for me is a better bike. Sure its 2kg heavier but is a joy to ride.
I worked with a small custom frame building shop in France. They built for well known pro team bike sponsors. I would get a few frames each year to sell. I had a very hard time because the frames were not branded and expensive, even though they were exactly the same as what the pros used.
Every one has his own opinion.. i have been changing bikes.. branded.. different brands..but that most important ...in the end is a bike that works... salute mr. Durian Rider
Spot on Harley. Consumers should be able to choose .. manufacturers are focused on profit and shareholder returns for the current and near term .. they aren’t discuses in best for consumers
You had me at "Dunning Kruger".
I can attest, I found a beat up old 10 speed 105 right mechanical shifter at a swap meet, who knows what abuse it has taken. Paid 20 us dollars. Sprayed it with some wd 40, got it to work then purchased the left shifter for $40 bucks on e-bay. That was over 5 years ago. Just recently replaced existing cable with teflon coated cables, and added a few drops of prolink chain lube on the internals on the shifters and it shift like butter. Try to do that if you are on a budget with any type of electronic setup. Not possible at all. Still ride an aluminum frame bike. Sometimes I go to the local bike shop and lift these carbon marvels, and I can say some bikes are heavier than my bike that only my seat post, fork and saddle are carbon. I love cycling, I'm your average middle age rider and when climbing a hill and I pass someone who has a 7k - 10K bike I ask WHY????
As UCI governs just about everything regarding bikes these days maybe they should price limits to so that competitive cycling remains accessible to everyone?
I don't know if you watch Movistar's Pablo's vlogs, but there was one episode where the mechanic is swapping out the cockpit and he was fiddling around with the whole thing for quite sometime because of all the integrated cables. It didn't look like he was having fun with it.
I ride a 1993 and 1995 Eddy Merckx. Both are steel. I'm comfortable and love them. I think the new carbon bikes with disc brakes don't look as good as mine. Plus the new bikes tubes are square ⬛️. I love the round tubes looks.
Steel bikes have a terrible second moment of area. Ride not as good as carbon that’s a fact.
@@Slow.Smooth depends on how you define good.
Do you mean the centre of gravity is higher?
@@chrisdavidson911 no second moment of area is a physics term as to how the shape and size effect the stresses on a structure
@@supervhschannel4139 that’s not the same. don’t be dramatic. It’s just my opinion.
@@Slow.Smooth nothing to do with it actually being steel then.
i know what it is, it's just a nonsense claim to make, hence the question.
2016 allez sport E5 with Winspace Lun 45mm carbon wheels Sora R3000, freaking easy to work on and replacement parts are dirt cheap. $1200 CAD total cost with upgraded parts.
Love this - should start a series of videos called
These F*ckin Noobs 😂😂
Well I was out of road riding for over 10 years. Semi retired and moved to Florida,I’m back at it with my old Trek 2007 Madone that I ordered a project one because I worked at a Trek store at the Time. Yea , They almost got me me with the disk brakes ,electric shifting and all internal cabling. The one thing that did make a difference on my old Trek was some Zipp 404s Carbon Clinchers that were in Cherry condition . I quite enjoy riding those. Oh there is virtually, no climbing here. Just Wind. My old light weight alloy wheels spin up faster but don’t hold speed like the Zipps.
I got 10 minutes in so not sure if you said it after that but a major factor for disc brakes is the Instagram photo of a bike with full integration of hoses and wires. That is the single most important thing to major brands
I completely listen to this video and i would agree to this man yes. the cycling brands are unwantedly hyping up the tech so much that there are so high prices for bikes in India. as a cyclist and young if I wanted to get a good MTB with proper working suspensions and brakes yes we have to pay way more than we earn as students and interns. so yes it is turning into the expensive hobby😢. yet I still managed to buy one 2nd hand MTB from Indian brand and going hard🔥 this is just a wake-up call for us to choose what is working for your environment and needs and not ride the hype 💯
What is the best groupset manufacturer? I'm an average rider. I ride a old thompson senso carbon bike with 105 groupset from 2008.
Love your work. Bianchi is pronounced Bian-kee. "ch" is pronunced "k" in Eyetie.
Totally mental that bikes cost £12-15k - if you want something that looks cool, is really heavy and is proper fast and with disc brakes you can buy a motorbike even a superbike for less cash - I’m a veterinarian, in the dentist bike market and my new Scott Addict RC Pro looks the nuts but is no faster than my old aluminium Bianchi with rim brakes - and the old mechanical Ultegra on that bike is so smooth
The bike companies are following the same path as Apple
Make you buy your replacements from them as it's all proprietary.
Get you on the way in, and on the way out.
The annoying think is how the group set makers stop making top quality components for older tech, like 10 speed cassettes,and other parts, quick release rim brake wheels being phased out. If I want a top end car for the family car I can get one the isn't a formula one car, why cannot us club riders have top quality that isn't designed for professional racers?
You can still get NOS 7700 so relax on availability hehe
@@durianriders nos 7700 has nos taxes , too expensive, I managed to get a right 7700 shifter cheap second hand tho
you are disregarding a huge factor that also addsweight to diskbrake bikes. Its the assymetric load and stress a disk brake setup introduces into the frame and fork. A disk brake frame and fork will never be as light and reliable than its rim counterpart. Plus ofc all the extra weight the groupset put on the disk bike. I work in a bikeshop in Austria, we do road bikes exclusively. You wouldnt believe the amount of people who come in with a +-6kg Bike and swap it in for a 8kg disk brake Di2 bike. And guess who buys those top notch rim brake bikes that we take back from those customers? The most ripped, fast and slender riders in the area. On every climb in the area you see rim brake riders dropping the disk tanks, uphill as well as downhill
Heheh DR looks like skinny Mickey Rourke
Cycling really has become the new golf for rich dudes.
Time frames? What do you reckon? With rim brakes off course.
You can spot a critical thinker by their bike, rim for the win 🥇
Still rocking the last of the Cannondale supersix himod from 2016. Cost me 1750$. Its light for 63cm 7kg's.
It's Great to see and hear you telling the truth about how utterly sh*t the new bikes are , I still Race my Rim brake Giant SL bikes and I will never be riding Discs as I hate how difficult the cycle industry is making bikes for people, Rim brakes for life - They Work , They are easy to work on. The Industry has completely ruined cycling nowadays - Long Live DurianRider
Peter Sagan rode the PR with mechanical groupset......that tells you what the guy thinks about bike evolution.
Bianchi handlebar broke because of over tighthening of the lever clamps. (there's no other explanation)
At the Tokyo Olympics a couple years ago, a non sponsored event, a bunch of the riders were on rim brakes I heard. Seems like everyone who could get their hands on one used one.
I love hearing the real facts in your videos. I ride an old Specialized Allez ,chromoly frame, rim brakes, the bike is very old but suoer clean. I get other cyclists pulling up to me all the time, looking at my bike like I'm a dirt bag, because I'm riding an ancient road bike. But ,honestly, of my 5 bikes, I have 2 expensive race bikes, I ride thst old Allez the most. I can't explain how smooth and fun to ride thst old Allez.
How many races do you see today where a rider gets stuck in the wrong gear because his electronic shifting crapped out? I see it occur in practically every race. Sure, you had derailleur problems at times with mechanical, usually after a crash or something, but never to the extent I'm seeing it today. Rarely would a rider be just riding along and suddenly not be able to shift.
Funny stumbling across this comment today.
A rider in the Giro last week had to change his rear derailleur battery on the go, reaching down behind him to swap 😂
I put 35 psi in my 42 mm road tyres. Because I like to go fast.
Very funny, I assume that was dripping with sarcasm. How about putting ~45-57 psi in some 30mm tyres. Unless your surface is super smooth, research shows that will actually make you faster. But you'd rather feel all the buzz at 23mm and 85+psi? You believe that's faster because....?
@Rhys Adams I'm not joking. I have a custom road bike with 42 mm tyres, dynamo lights and mudguards. One rides faster with supple tyres because every vibration of the bike gets transferred to the body of the rider where it's transformed into heat - wasted, wasted from the propulsion!
One positive of the new top priced bikes is that they make my 8.2kg steel framed cinelli light by comparison 😂
Dude you are a Legend and are as entertaining as F***k 🤣🤣👊🏾✊🏾
I’ve been riding rim braked bikes since 1988 when I was living in Jamaica and I’m not planning to change to a road disc braked bike any time soon.
'Disc for dirt, rim for road'. I totally agree with this!
I agree in general about the ridiculous cost of bikes against quality now and 10-15 years ago there are lots of things don’t add up. I wouldn’t use Paris roubaix as an example of quality of a bike there were plenty of quality machines from 15 years ago destroyed by the cobbles . Endorsements and selling out well I can’t criticise I have sold out myself on more than 1 occasion. Generally the bike industry is heading in the wrong direction it’s true but that cannot stop any of us getting out getting in the miles and enjoying all that brings
I agree about Paris Roubaix being a dissonant example to use.