The Crimewatch Years 1985 Murders
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Crimewatch UK 1985
Hastings Arson Murder (Goble) (Unsolved)
Peggy Goodman Disappearance (Unknown) and Myfanway Jones Murder (Solved)
Mark Tildesley Disappearance (Solved)
Jackie Waines Murder (Unsolved)
Kassam Family Arson / Murder (Unsolved)
Imraan Vohra Murder (Solved)
Roy Page Murder (Solved)
Beverley Trendall Murder (Unsolved)
Violet Milsom Murder (Unsolved)
Sandy McClelland Murder (Unsolved)
Thank You To Redcard74 For Uploading The Original Content
The decision to climb down the ladder without her kids must have been absolutely heart breaking
the reconstructions had a documentary feel to them. crimewatch was a excellent programme.
Yes these earlier shows were much better than the recent ones, it feels exciting and Nick and Sue were excellent.
Amazing filming and so well produced.
@@ggagg123 The later ones tried to muster up atmosphere with noise and sound effects. If only they had stuck to the original formula.
Am I the only one completely bummed out by the guy just standing there watching the Hastings arson? The apparently motiveless crimes are always the most disturbing
Thanks for uploading, when TV shows were done for factual details not views and shock factors
The Mark Tildesley case is discussed in some depth in 'Lambs to the Slaughter' - the definitive book about the Sidney Cooke gang. Mark was murdered by Cooke and his accomplices and his body has never been found, although due to the difficulties in obtaining a murder conviction, Cooke was convicted for manslaughter. The Cooke gang was convicted for the killing of two other lads (Jason Swift and Barry Lewis) but is suspected of a number of others. Sadly, like the other known victims and like so many other victims of child abuse, Mark came from a fairly chaotic family and, like Jason Swift, may have had a mild learning disability. Both his older brother and his father were initially suspects in the murder enquiry. The fact that he was allowed to go to the fairground by himself at that age was fairly shocking for the time, let alone now. Fairgrounds had a truly appalling reputation for danger even back then (just look at how they were depicted in Disney's 'Pinocchio' film from the 1940s - kids being abducted) and this was born out by what subsequently came to light. Cooke was a well known fairground worker and had abused numerous kids over the years at fairgrounds around the country. However, another man who worked at the fairground later came forward and said he had abducted Mark. He was found to have some mental health problems and any link with the murder was discounted. However, some time afterwards, he and two other fairground workers were convicted for raping a teenage lad at the fair. He and the other two were not believed to have had any link to the Sidney Cooke gang.
And the vishal mehorta case. it was never proven but there were witnesses that saw him after he’d been taken and one said with Lesley on a train. I feel like they were involved in a larger ring but were the underdogs tht got carried away with their own vial shenanigans. Wouldn’t put it past them being involved in the dolphin square / elm guest house scandal.
@@bitterolive7800Did you listen to the recent BBC podcast "Vishal" about his case? They identified very different suspects - a paedophile ring operating out of Muntham House residential school in Sussex, near where Vishal's body was found. They were trafficking boys in and out of London and two were known to have a major thing for young Asian boys. One actually called an essay he had to write for his social work qualifications "Vishal" despite it being a highly unusual name even among Indians.
The podcast was made with Jackie Malton, the famous former policewoman who was the inspiration for Helen Mirren's character in "Prime suspect". She had actually worked on Vishal's case in 1981. I don't know if you saw "In the Footsteps of Killers" which named Sidney Cooke's gang as suspects, but Jackie Malton was furious at it, saying it was clickbait based on distorted evidence. Certainly, the police have released evidence they had at the time which completely contradicts some of the claims made in that show. I suppose it's always the same - when a murderer or gang is unmasked, people tend to want to pin everything on them.
Certainly, the Sidney Cooke gang was just the tip of the iceberg of what was happening back then. To put it in perspective, the police Investigating the Robert Black abductions in the 1980s looked at everyone who'd been convicted for child abduction, child murder and serious sexual assault of a child. Unbelievable, over 40,000 names came back. Robert Black wasn't even on the list as his previous convictions were over ten years earlier. Police were also shocked when they investigated one of Black's abductions from a fun fair in Edinburgh. They found that no fewer than 9 other convicted paedophiles were at the fair that day, underlining again how dangerous fun fairs were.
The Elm Guest House stuff has been thoroughly discredited. Pretty much the exaggerated inventions of Carl Beech - a convicted paedophile himself who made it up to con compensation out of the public. The recent inquiry into historical child sex abuse, IICSA, found evidence of only one child being abused at elm guest house. There's also been very little about Dolphin Square. Again, it seems that Beech had massively exaggerated things. I'm not sure why because god knows there were enough other things going on back then. He needed only to have looked at what was going on in Piccadilly, or in Lambeth or North Wales care homes, all of which were looked at by IICSA, and all of which had very widespread, often overlapping paedophile rings.
@@bitterolive7800 Have you listened to the recent BBC podcast 'Vishal', looking at the case? They identified quite different suspects - a group operating out of Muntham House residential school in Sussex near where Vishal was found. The podcast was made with Jackie Malton, the famous former policewoman who Helen Mirren's character in 'Prime Suspect' was based on. She'd actually worked on the Vishal case in 1981. There's also been a lot of controversy about the episode of 'In the Footsteps of Killers' which covered the Vishal case. Certainly, Jackie Malton was very vocal on twitter saying it was clickbait based on distorting flimsy evidence about the Cooke gang. Certainly, the police have released evidence they had in the 1980s which proves a lot of the stuff wrong that was reported in the 'In the Footsteps of Killers' episode (particularly what the lady who claimed to have seen Leslie Bailey on the tube with Vishal actually said). Whether we'll really know who took Vishal is difficult to say, but this new Sussex gang is as good a bet as any.
The Sidney Cooke gang were just the thin end of the wedge back then - it was going on on an industrial scale. But the Elm Guest House and Dolphin Square stuff has been very much discredited.- they were pretty much the exaggerations of Carl Beech who wanted to con money out of the tax payer. The recent IICSA inquiry looked at Elm Guest House and found that some things had happened, but nothing like what Carl Beech had said.
Thank you very much for assembling this excellent compilation. I have watched it several times over the years and really appreciate
you doing it. It's so sad that some of these cases from the mid-eighties are still unsolved but I think it's so important to keep them and revisit them as there is always the possibility that developments in forensics might lead to their successful resolution one day. Thank you for all your hard work assembling them, collecting them and keeping these important stories in the public consciousness.
'The coloured girl, she's a half-caste, but she's very attractive.....' Is this really within living memory??
What reconstruction is she in
Welcome to the 1980s. Contrary to what some people may tell you, it was a grim, horrible time with social attitudes that were appalling. Britain has the highest rate of violent crime in europe, and unemployment was off the scale. A truly horrible, desolate decade in many ways.
@@zeddeka oh stick your head down a hole the 80s were fab my era for growing up ..
@@zeddeka😢
@@zeddekayep, fully. Thatchers Britain was hard.
I had my fingers crossed when they brought the two children out.
Me too I was hoping 😔
@@rockysablue So was I.
Jackie Waines was in fact also called Linda Guest. Lived a double life with 2 houses
The Imran Vohra murder was solved many years later in 2009. Relatives of Robert Morley gave DNA that linked him to the murder. Morley had the classic background of escalating crimes that often leads to sexual crime. He was convicted of theft and then indecent exposure. He was described as a controlling and abusive man and had fathered seven children to different women, although nobody in his family had any idea that he had committed any form of sexual assault. His wife described him as "very secretive". Police are concerned that he may have committed other crimes in the area, or in Charlton in London when he moved back there in 1988.
Thanks. Was looking for a comment like this. Hope Morley got a suitable sentence.
@@swiftlydoesit8480 Morley had actually died of lung cancer some years earlier in 1997 so he was unfortunately never brought to justice. They managed to discover that it was him some years later via DNA from family members.
@th8357
Proof that flashers aren't harmless exhibitionists.
Morley was a convicted flasher.
@@noongourfainExactly. Classic escalating crime. We saw something similar in recent years with Sarah Everard's murderer, Wayne Couzens
Any further info on the Myfanwy Jones murder. All I've found is she was murdered by a local Bala farmer. No names. Clive Sharp lived in the area.
the Bala farmer that killed Myfanwy jones committed suicide some weeks after killing Mrs jones for no apparent reason which is callas to dethrone anybody's life to the end.
Beverley Trendall Murder & Violet Milsom Murder so very sad :( theses two cases touched me ..
The murder of Violet always makes me so sad 😢 was anyone convicted of her murder do you know?
@@ronniemiddlehurst8096 I think yes .. if you google it there was someone convicted ..
@@ronniemiddlehurst8096 Apparently it remains unsolved.
@@jamesvass737 Violet is now solved x
@@BlytheWorld1972 Excellent! Do you know who was convicted?
Pedos need to be fed to lions buts it’s cruel to the lions!
I'd call the RSPCA if you fed paedos to o lions also a vet.
@@margaretbanks8969 me too
It's a shame crimewatch was cancelled such a great show over the years it wasn't that good
Such a great show - it wasn't that good????
It's been on again for years, it's on in the mornings.
the muderer of Mark Tildesley was murdered in prison
Good
Good May rot in hell
one of the murders did, sidney cook wasn’t convicted of that nor was the others yet sidney was the one who disposed of mark. leslie bailey imo was just an accomplice not the actual person who planned to murder mark. also marks body was never found which is strange, sidney cook may be the only person who knows where it is. last year marks family pleaded for cook to tell where his body is but now cook is in his mid 90s no one will know where he is sadly
Beverley wasn't found for a month - didn't anyone miss her or enquire where she was before the end of November 1984? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
You’d think so wouldn’t you? Like her mum, her Spanish teacher or the lady she worked with.
@@Lushgirl81 Glad you see it the same Viv, it's nice to get a response, as I feel I am the only one on here asking the salient questions. What's your take on it all - do you think she didn't have as strong a relationship with her Mum as was portrayed on the programme ?
@@Lushgirl81
I just can't imagine a would be killer waving out of Beverley's window to a neighbour, surely a killer would want to stay as conspicuous as possible, unless of course it wasn't a planned murder but one on the spur of the moment, possibly due to an argument or something that boiled over into an violent disagreement - just a thought🤔
@@Lushgirl81 In an article in a Northolt newspaper called The Gazette for Friday 18th October 1985 it was stated that she was last seen alive on 31st October 1984 at 8pm when she left Heathrow Airport after a cleaning shift, where she discussed with a work colleague about a boyfriend in Spain, the fact she had a new boyfriend locally in Northolt area and she was having drinks with him that evening. That doesn't seem to link in with the above reconstruction about her where she is portrayed as being last seen alive in the day [early morning with a work mate], saying those exact things to that work mate, then seen with a man in her room later in the day, etc. If she was at a shift in evening at Heathrow, which puts a slightly different angle on the story, it begs the question of why she never responded to trick or treat in evening. Perhaps it was because she was on her way to Heathrow perhaps ? This info was never even mentioned on the BBC CW reconstruction above, it was all portrayed as occuring in the day. Was she at Heathrow at 8pm on 31st October 1984 or has the journalist/reporter in The Gazette made a typo error and means 8am rather than 8pm I wonder. I bet we'll never know now !!!!
@@IanP1963 I thought it was Hallowe’en night she was murdered? Perhaps it was a typo. I thought it was the fella she met up with. And she definitely wasn’t driving her car on the 1st as it wasn’t parked where she could see it. Not sure about her and her mum to be honest but if I didn’t contact my mum for a month, she’d come to my house! In fact she wouldn’t leave it a month! Probably just a week at the most.
What happened between the last siting of Sandy and when he was found, it was nearly a month ? Did family/friends report him missing, and was there a police push to find a missing man ? A month is a long time !! This aspect of the case I can't find anywhere.
These old crimes from the 80s are hard to find, as it was long before the Net. I tried to find out what happened to the Welsh woman, but all I can find is she was killed by a Bala farmer in 1986. It doesn't say how she was killed - if she got into his car, was abducted as she walked, or whatever. He killed himself and the next owner of the farm found her body. The Steve Widnall murder in Presto's, Putney, was another one. I read a comment saying they got two youths for it, but can't find any articles on it, again 1986.
Sidney Cooke was one horrible bastard. Says he knows where Mark Tylsdsleys body is but won't say.
I'm fairly sure Robert Bailey was released in the last few years
I hope he rots in hell
I heard that bastard is now a practising Muslim
Hissing sid is 94 years old and still behind bars, long may he rot
Any Paedophile who attacks a child in any way should be immediately executed so long as the police are 100 percent certain they have got the right bastard when they nick them.
I imagine Sidney Cooke has an awful lot of secrets. He had been abusing kids since at least the 1950s in a lot of places across the country, and obviously knew an awful lot of people. It said that after the Jason Swift and Barry Lewis murders, the place traced men to Wales, Newcastle, Durham and as far as Aberdeen. It's later emerged that the Sidney Cooke gang also had links to the notorious shoebury ring in Southend, which involved local police, teachers, bus drivers and pub owners and involved drug trafficking and an unnamed man "higher up" who was paying the local ringleaders to procure kids for child sex films. Sidney Cooke was also close friends with Ronald Jebson, the murderer who committed the 1970 "babes in the wood" murders.
The use of the word “tramp”. Could never say that now.
No your right,now known as as dirty,scruffy,smelly that's pc gone mad
That’s because society has come along way since then in use of language
You just did.....
Poor children
Did they catch the bastard who killed the Old shop keeper?
Bogus gasman. They did catch him.
@@jonathansanger862
Yes
Because of the Crimewatch reconstruction.
His name was Clive RIchards.
First thing he asked for, after his arrest, was was a drink of water.
He bankrupted his parents confectionery business in Port Talbot.
Hi have you considered making new "The Crimewatch years" murders robberies etc from the now complete years from January 1994 all the way through until December 1999?
Yes man i luv your videos full respect for you keeping me happy with the crimewatch shit i luv it peace
Surely it's dark at 4:30pm on the 4th January? 😉 The reconstruction is done in broad daylight here!
yes your quire right it is getting dusk nearly full darkness will descend around 5 o clock in the countryside . plus it just after Christmas of 1984, into the new year of1985 . that murder took place of Myfanwy Jones.
I dedicate this piece of music by Manuel de Falla to Beverley Trendall's life, even though I never knew her, she seemed such a nice lady, she'd probably be a fan of Place In The Sun if she'd have lived - ruclips.net/video/6ythXbVxQ9k/видео.html
no mention of the little dog. has he survived wh< no mention
Everyone new jackie but she was a loner lol made me chuckle
I have never said it before but all the actors and actresses in the reconstructions are fantastic totally believable and to think a lot of them are unknown ..
2:49 over acting or what
😂😂😂😂
How was supposed to act 🙄
1:05:48
"The coloured girl, she's a half-cast, but very attractive"
Christ...
Honestly so wrong !
Welcome to the 1980s dude
many people change when they go to spain. there must be something depressing about the UK.
There is - l bet she'd be a fan now of Place ln The Sun had she lived...
The sun really livens me up when l go places like that...
There certainly was something depressing about Britain in the 80s. Britain had the highest violent crime in europe then. Unemployment was massive. It was a grey, miserable place with very poor prospects for a lot of people.
@@zeddeka The same comment, again ...........
It's so depressing LOADS of Spanish folks live in the UK! How many applied for citizenship after Brexit? Over 5 million EU's applied to stay here! There are only ONE MILLION Brits in the whole of Europe - so where is the most popular place to live???? Not Spain, it appears ......
Robert Oliver one if Sidney Cookes gang changed his name to Karl Hirst. Lived in Maidstone, Kent as of 2013.
I think the actress playing that bev is Alison Aspinall she was in call the midwife
Anyone know if the boy at the fair was ever found
No. He wasn't unfortunately.
he was murdered by a peodophile ring. Think they killed two other boys also.
He was one of the victims of the Sidney Cooke gang who are known to have also murdered Jason Swift and Barry Lewis, and are suspected of a number of other murders. A truly appalling group, who had links all over the country (including to the father of the pop singer Adam Ant who was convicted). They mainly preyed on vulnerable boys who'd fallen into the massive child prostitution that went on around London's train stations and Piccadilly Circus, but also abducted a number of kids. Sidney Cooke himself was a fairground worker who used it as a means to get to kids. He was born in the 1920s and had been abusing children for decades before this.
@@zeddeka the man in the reconstruction looks just
Ike Sidney Cooke. I didn’t know that about Adam Ants father ! 😮
@@zeddeka Sidney Cooke should have been blasted into space
Did they ever find who killed Violet?
So many of these cases had so many witnesses but obviously not quite enough no doubt touch dna could have eventually solved some cases if kept and preserved like an ear peice.
House arson can be wrong addresses wrong streets wrong number wrong town directions from wrong motorway exit. Right name wrong person.
"the park was often used by gays, homosexuals, who may not wish to come forwards"
I bet Nick Ross wouldn't say that now... sounds very 80's but not very 2020's
I should hope so. The 1980s were almost half a century ago now. They're as distant as the 1940s were from the 80s. It'd be strange (and very depressing) if we hadn't advanced in that time.
A policeman called a girl a half caste on one of these programmes.
The things they say 😂
What happened to Mafanwy Jones ?
She was murdered by a local farmer 😢
I know that actress playing Beverly Trendall, it's bugging the hell out of me who she is
she played a teacher in Grange Hill. Will see if I can find out her name
@@RetroPixels That's her, yeah
still trying to find her name on the credits. can picture the episodes she was in, can I find them on YT? can I hell lol
@@RetroPixels me too, I even googled female Grange hill teachers, and nada. Even image searches
am sure its within the first 5 seasons, as I remember Alan Hargreaves was in the episode as he started a fire on a farm that they visited.
What’s a cse exam ?
on which case?
Retro Pixels on the McClellan murder. The man in his flat who they hadn’t at that time traced ? Who said he was applying for a driving job. I think he said he had some cse exams ?
CSE is the former name of GCSE's
Retro Pixels ahh! Thank you.
Lou Lou it used to mean 'certificate of secondary education' that British kids used to take at 16 (now called GCSE).
Sue was a little hottie…didn’t age well though!
You're not as good as Redcard
And not as good as god so stfu
@@xpowergaming35 God isn't real.
So? What a stupid comment.
What is the difference? It is the same videos, just put together in different compilations.