This song and album grows on you. When I first listened to this album, I thought it sucked. But after listening to this album a few more times, it's just as great as their older stuff.
Me too. I think the band's problem is that they ask too much of the listener, at least in terms of the mood or idea they're trying to get across. Once I do pay enough attention to it and just let it be what it is, though, they rarely disappoint. Oceania is top tier pumpkins to me now. But I still find it less accessible somehow.
I haven't listened to this album since it came out and I'm revisiting it. I remember being surprised by how much I liked the previous album (Zeitgeist) which was recorded by just Billy and Jimmy, so I recall being pretty bummed out that Jimmy was not returning on this album, but my hopes were still high for another good Pumpkins album. I remember this album being somewhat forgettable and unimpressive, but so far I'm finding that I actually like this one a lot more after coming back to it years later... Or maybe it's just that the first track was really good and the rest of the album was mediocre lol.
Mike was a great drummer for the time he spent with the Pumpkins. I recall Jimmy in an interview saying that he appreciated the work he did on this album.
i wish people would stop using the word underrated. who's managing the rating and who is not rating high enough? silly. if you know sp, you know what they have achieved and their skill level so you can appreciate their work. if you dont know them then you dont know them. not knowing them is not underrating them.
This is a song of enormous spiritual power. Gish was about spiritual ascension and this is the point of articulation Billy has now got to. Please don't worry about the mix; there is a higher level of will being expressed here. Service to a higher power as ultimate service of yourself. Yod He Vau He Om!
Firstly, I do agree that those two are masterpieces. But Oceania is meant to be experienced as an album. It takes you on a musical journey. Its probably the last time Billy is gonna set out to make an album that's designed to be an "album" unfortunately, due to the fact that no one will buy them or even listen to them anymore. Its get me to the chorus, get me to the bridge culture. Monuments is Billy's response to that, and its a masterpiece itself in what it was designed to do, but it wasn't designed by Billy to be an "album" experience. If you understand the title of the record it explains itself thoroughly. Oceania is a record that requires several listens before you begin to understand how powerful it truly is as an album. Imo.
As a drummer, I think this kid is as close to Jimmy as it gets in a new SP drummer. His rolls are impeccable. The intro to this song is a lot harder than it sounds.
And Billy actually let him drum. The production is fantastic too. The drums are huge. Jimmy's return has been a letdown for me. It's pretty basic stuff.
Holy shit. I haven't really loved a Smashing Pumpkins album since Mellon Collie, although Adore was pretty cool and I'll probably buy it eventually. But in the first minute of this album, I have to say it's fucking boss. I mean holy balls. That is some decent sound right there.
My exact thoughts. That opening bass riff sucked me into the wormhole that is Oceania. Lots of amazing melodies, a perfect ode to what made me like the band in the first place. Ride on!
@@joshtyler1300people have different tastes. I’ve been a fan since Siamese Dream. It, Adore, and MCIS are among my favorite albums of all time from ANY band, and i don’t really like Zeitgeist or Machina either. Now that time has passed and I’ve listened to basically everything in the entire discography, i would put Oceania up there with the best of the 90’s Pumpkins output.
Currently my baby girl’s favorite song ... She’s walking all around the house “ride on, ride on!” Making up some words, filling in others. Requesting it when we get in the car... she knows great music!
Surprisingly good. I haven't really listened to any new SP since mid 2000's or so. I know Billy's the only remaining original member, but it sounds like he still knows what kind of music he wants to make.
Angel owl reminds me of the night Holds my actions to the flame Casting shadows in the sand Flip me over, time is running out waves are getting drier shores are getting bolder darkness is getting colder The sun is just a memory Blood of mercury in my vains Surgery my fire, smoke my blurry mirrors Can't see what is in front of me Can't feel what I left behind Only can be right now The final raising of a dead man called "I am" A crushing memory called "never" reaches out to me Telling a sweet story of will
Every bit as good as anything they have done previously. What a colossus of a track. This album is easily in my top 3 pumpkins albums. Keep fighting the good fight Billy. I've loved the ride you've taken me on for the past 23 odd years. Looking forward to the next 20.
I really like this song, alot of energy and gets me excited. I particularly like part 330-421. sounds like a universal echoing reaching the listener. proud to have them still around, regardless of their critics, I hope the pumpkins keep making good rock n roll.
I went out and got this yesterday and I can't stop listening to it!! Since we're talking about the radio, I can't remember the last time I had a music channel on. I listen to local talk radio if and when I listen to radio at all!!
This song was very fun to listen to when they performed it live. I wasn't sure about their new album until I saw them perform the songs live. I love it now :)
Whatever happens, they certainly left an amazing legacy behind in music with great songs and albums over the past three decades which will never really be forgotten like all the other great legendary rock bands.
Billy Corgan has pretty much stuck to his own peculiar aesthetics over the years, a maverick of sorts, and with some debatable material over the last 10 years He comes back with this great pumpkins Album. A true grower over time!
Hugely underrated album, if alternative hadn't been so commercialized it mightve matured into this work, wow thank you mucho from a huge fan Billy and pumpkins, come to Denver please.
Yes, this CD is a little "poppy" but is that a bad thing?? In this world we need that at times....to lift our spirits up! SP and Billy one of the most diverse musicians in my time....This CD doesn't really have a "bad" song on it! I'm always blown away by whatever they do..... I love them always!!!
In any case, I sure do miss the 1990s and 1980s, which are my two favorite decades and eras (as well as being the best in my honest opinion) not only for music but all of global pop culture in general such as video games, television shows, movies, toys, literature, comics, fashion, etcetera.
i agree about the month time frame to really absorb, and either you get the sound first, then the message within through the lyrics. i find its one or other i love, but either way, i'm liking the last 6 songs of this album
We all are guilty of doing those things and we will do them again, no matter how hard we try to be perfect we cant, cause we´re humans, we can only work to be better than we were yesterday Im 20 since the 8 of this month n i can tell you, im stupid impulssive and sometimes agressive n mean to people just for the fun of it But i also know i dont wanna be like this and i dont wanna see any kid become someone like me I try to change cause i think if i change then maybe i can help someone to change
Bands never, I mean never deliver when people say "they have returned". It's either a rehashing or boring take on a new sound for the band. Yet, for a band I have not really cared for, for about the last 4-5 years, I can honestly say that this album does exactly what I think they should do.
Yup! Heck, I've been guilty on doing a few things you've described. As I've gotten older, I managed to improve or reform some of my character flaws while gaining a little bit of wisdom as well as maturity. I'm now in my late 20s as I type this and I have a lot more to learn along the way. I guess, it's one of the best things we can do as humans, which is to mainly focus changing ourselves for the better as an individual.
It doesn't "suck balls" it's just different, the pumpkins were always about pushing the limits (in the 90s). Billy Corgan has no interest in reproducing stuff they have already done. Even if it was damn great as the 90s! :) I can still appreciate they are going in a different direction now. Either way I still have a massive amount of respect for Billy for all of the amazing song writing he has done over the years, and yes this does include Quasar.
it's dead because music has to step forward... 90s rock belongs to the 90s... that's not 90s, that's just a band from the 90s producing music in the 21st century. nothing more nothing less. sick of all these comments talking about how much better music was in past years. 90s rock is good but it won't be the same as it was back then..
We all have something we believe in, either its a god or just a feeling or your affection for the people you know. I respect you and so far you´ve respected me, so im happy with the conversation. Yeah, but the funny thing is that we can also make good but there´s just something wrong in us that tell us to get more, buy more, feel better to others is good, why not me? Etc etc etc... All excuses we make to justify ourselves or feel like a victim to deny the real truth, lack of self-discipline.
Most of them are married and have kids so they have different obligations/duties these days including a variety of other endeavors or interests outside of music they get themselves involved in. Consequently, a lot of them are no longer able to solely focus on music like they use to. What matters the most is the fact that great classic rock bands like NIRVANA, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, among many others will never be forgotten and always be remembered as legendary figures in music.
My point is that the some of the people I mentioned had too much of a profound and powerful impact in their respective fields to ever get lost in time. Their significance is too important to ever be forgotten. Please don't take this the wrong way as I'm NOT trying to attack or bash you in any way. Although I agree with you to an extent, it's not completely true as I explained earlier and for the record, I also get your point as well my friend. ;D
This song and album grows on you. When I first listened to this album, I thought it sucked. But after listening to this album a few more times, it's just as great as their older stuff.
Me too. I think the band's problem is that they ask too much of the listener, at least in terms of the mood or idea they're trying to get across. Once I do pay enough attention to it and just let it be what it is, though, they rarely disappoint. Oceania is top tier pumpkins to me now. But I still find it less accessible somehow.
Just listened for the first time, thought i was 3/10. I'll have to listen again after seeing all of these positive comments...
I haven't listened to this album since it came out and I'm revisiting it. I remember being surprised by how much I liked the previous album (Zeitgeist) which was recorded by just Billy and Jimmy, so I recall being pretty bummed out that Jimmy was not returning on this album, but my hopes were still high for another good Pumpkins album. I remember this album being somewhat forgettable and unimpressive, but so far I'm finding that I actually like this one a lot more after coming back to it years later... Or maybe it's just that the first track was really good and the rest of the album was mediocre lol.
It’s real good for post Collie pumpkins standards. Surpassed only by Aghori, imo.
Can't be overstated how underrated this album is, and how incredible it sounds. And that the drummer was a 19 year old kid!
Even on the same horizontal scale??🙊🙈
well the drumming is not advanced.
Mike was a great drummer for the time he spent with the Pumpkins. I recall Jimmy in an interview saying that he appreciated the work he did on this album.
i wish people would stop using the word underrated. who's managing the rating and who is not rating high enough? silly. if you know sp, you know what they have achieved and their skill level so you can appreciate their work. if you dont know them then you dont know them. not knowing them is not underrating them.
@@hankb7725
I know what you mean popularity isn’t a measurement of being over or under rated
Although it ends up being how it is often viewed
Best progressive rock album since Siamese Dream. For all those who say it is underrated, I agree, and Ride on!
This is a song of enormous spiritual power. Gish was about spiritual ascension and this is the point of articulation Billy has now got to. Please don't worry about the mix; there is a higher level of will being expressed here. Service to a higher power as ultimate service of yourself. Yod He Vau He Om!
Soooo on point brother
After 9 years, this album is a masterpiece for me! Billy is like a prophet
Very underrated album.
so powerfull ;)
Best track on the album with "Panopticon"... two masterpieces.
joker86CJ just had that one 🔂 then to this one 💘
joker86CJ
Pinwheels was my favorite
Firstly, I do agree that those two are masterpieces. But Oceania is meant to be experienced as an album. It takes you on a musical journey. Its probably the last time Billy is gonna set out to make an album that's designed to be an "album" unfortunately, due to the fact that no one will buy them or even listen to them anymore. Its get me to the chorus, get me to the bridge culture. Monuments is Billy's response to that, and its a masterpiece itself in what it was designed to do, but it wasn't designed by Billy to be an "album" experience. If you understand the title of the record it explains itself thoroughly. Oceania is a record that requires several listens before you begin to understand how powerful it truly is as an album. Imo.
That blows. I had hoped this album would be better
I’d agree if it weren’t for Violet Rays
This whole album is just them saying "This is how it's done" Love it all.
As a drummer, I think this kid is as close to Jimmy as it gets in a new SP drummer. His rolls are impeccable. The intro to this song is a lot harder than it sounds.
And Billy actually let him drum. The production is fantastic too. The drums are huge. Jimmy's return has been a letdown for me. It's pretty basic stuff.
Holy shit. I haven't really loved a Smashing Pumpkins album since Mellon Collie, although Adore was pretty cool and I'll probably buy it eventually. But in the first minute of this album, I have to say it's fucking boss. I mean holy balls. That is some decent sound right there.
My exact thoughts. That opening bass riff sucked me into the wormhole that is Oceania. Lots of amazing melodies, a perfect ode to what made me like the band in the first place. Ride on!
Ay bruh you still on RUclips?
@@joshtyler1300people have different tastes. I’ve been a fan since Siamese Dream. It, Adore, and MCIS are among my favorite albums of all time from ANY band, and i don’t really like Zeitgeist or Machina either. Now that time has passed and I’ve listened to basically everything in the entire discography, i would put Oceania up there with the best of the 90’s Pumpkins output.
Loved this album in 2012 and still love it!
billy corgan is a musical genius
+boogerbutt There is something wrong with his mind. I worry about him. I think he might have been an accomplice to Kurt Cobain's murder.
Billy is lightyears better than Kurt, though.
@@FloppyRodrigo check out Zackary k Hubbard have group vids or blog he is a author too. Dave and Courtney had things to gain.
You said it !
Currently my baby girl’s favorite song ... She’s walking all around the house “ride on, ride on!” Making up some words, filling in others. Requesting it when we get in the car... she knows great music!
That's cute as hell man. Hope you and yours are having a safe day 🤘
Surprisingly good. I haven't really listened to any new SP since mid 2000's or so. I know Billy's the only remaining original member, but it sounds like he still knows what kind of music he wants to make.
Angel owl reminds me of the night
Holds my actions to the flame
Casting shadows in the sand
Flip me over, time is running out
waves are getting drier
shores are getting bolder
darkness is getting colder
The sun is just a memory
Blood of mercury in my vains
Surgery my fire, smoke my blurry mirrors
Can't see what is in front of me
Can't feel what I left behind
Only can be right now
The final raising of a dead man called "I am"
A crushing memory called "never" reaches out to me
Telling a sweet story of will
This is the first and last Smashing Pumpkins album that became part of my collection. Superb album.
Every bit as good as anything they have done previously. What a colossus of a track. This album is easily in my top 3 pumpkins albums. Keep fighting the good fight Billy. I've loved the ride you've taken me on for the past 23 odd years. Looking forward to the next 20.
The way this builds up and sucks you into the album reminds me of Cherub Rock. Wow.
This is my first listen. Damn right.
The best Pumpkins release in my lifetime. Not that that matters. What matters is making great music, which this is.
:[ the album is over! :[
this was my best 1 hour and 21 seconds of my life! beautiful music
Billy Corgan, The God of Octaves!
This band is timeless. That's why this music is relevant now. If a new band came up with this I would think its amazing.
I really like this song, alot of energy and gets me excited. I particularly like part 330-421. sounds like a universal echoing reaching the listener. proud to have them still around, regardless of their critics, I hope the pumpkins keep making good rock n roll.
Likewise
Yod He Vau He Om! God, I love this kind of lyrics!
Yod He Vau He, indeed...
I absolutely love this album. I recently discovered it, I’m so sad I didn’t hear it sooner.
Billy is totally channeling Gish here. I love it. Go Pumpkins!
I went out and got this yesterday and I can't stop listening to it!! Since we're talking about the radio, I can't remember the last time I had a music channel on. I listen to local talk radio if and when I listen to radio at all!!
i love this album, i think is more "like back to beginning" of SP to me, but i like the heavy sound too.
This song was very fun to listen to when they performed it live. I wasn't sure about their new album until I saw them perform the songs live. I love it now :)
Whatever happens, they certainly left an amazing legacy behind in music with great songs and albums over the past three decades which will never really be forgotten like all the other great legendary rock bands.
Probably my favourite pumpkins song ever. Wow.
Really?
@@wesleyalan9179 yup. Oceania is the album I listen to most these days.
This song takes me back to the early Pumpkins!!! Love it!!!
My teenage music. Best music in the 90´s with Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Nirvana, etc.
Billy Corgan has pretty much stuck to his own peculiar aesthetics over the years, a maverick of sorts, and with some debatable material over the last 10 years He comes back with this great pumpkins Album. A true grower over time!
Man so much hate on them. Just appreciate the music or leave.
I saw them perform in Chicago, and they were amazing! One of the top three things I've done my entire life!
Billy sounds rejuvenated, really enjoying this album! Pinwheels and Inkless are also great tracks!
Best Album since the Reunion!!! extremely powerful with any lovely songs:-)
I love this album... Quasar, Panopticon, Violet Rays, Oceania & Inkles are my favorites
This is a gem true piece of art. Such strong tone.
This guy is a genius, no doubt! God ride on!!!!!!!
Get get a shiver from this one : ) I kinda wish this more mature sound was my first Pumpkins album.
Love him for his drumming. Hate him for being only 23 and making me feel like a massive underachiever.
Hugely underrated album, if alternative hadn't been so commercialized it mightve matured into this work, wow thank you mucho from a huge fan Billy and pumpkins, come to Denver please.
Long time Smashing Pumpkins fan who never listened to this album before. The whole thing is freaking awesome!
i love the original lineup, but seriously how can anyone hate on this album.... its fucking brilliant
Yes, this CD is a little "poppy" but is that a bad thing?? In this world we need that at times....to lift our spirits up! SP and Billy one of the most diverse musicians in my time....This CD doesn't really have a "bad" song on it! I'm always blown away by whatever they do..... I love them always!!!
DE LOS MEJORES DISCOS
yeeeeaaaaa the world need this kind of riffs, and alternative rock guitar
Billy.... You are awesome man!
they said they might do something as a band again in the future dude, dont be sad...
there´s hope !!!
and thanks i´ll check them out right now
In any case, I sure do miss the 1990s and 1980s, which are my two favorite decades and eras (as well as being the best in my honest opinion) not only for music but all of global pop culture in general such as video games, television shows, movies, toys, literature, comics, fashion, etcetera.
i'm in love with this song
This is the best post-breakup pre-reunion Pumpkins album, bar-none.
Amazing opening track.
Not to mention all of the truly great modern bands that are influenced by 1990s rock like Cage Elephant and Poets Of The Fall.
i agree about the month time frame to really absorb, and either you get the sound first, then the message within through the lyrics. i find its one or other i love, but either way, i'm liking the last 6 songs of this album
love the music on this one
love this song
We all are guilty of doing those things and we will do them again, no matter how hard we try to be perfect we cant, cause we´re humans, we can only work to be better than we were yesterday
Im 20 since the 8 of this month n i can tell you, im stupid impulssive and sometimes agressive n mean to people just for the fun of it
But i also know i dont wanna be like this and i dont wanna see any kid become someone like me
I try to change cause i think if i change then maybe i can help someone to change
definitely alluding to massive intro of Cherub Rock with this tune! Love it! This album kicks. The overdriven guitars are huuuge!
and was amazing live too.. gave me the shivers of 'old' SP :)
This absolutely rocks. Seriously. And live it simply kicked ass.
One of the most beautiful things I've ever heard. Thank you I love you, yes I understand.
absolutely!
Best song from them in awhile!
I am starting to see a shift in the mainstream music scene. I love it.
Mark, right on!
Yes
Bands never, I mean never deliver when people say "they have returned". It's either a rehashing or boring take on a new sound for the band.
Yet, for a band I have not really cared for, for about the last 4-5 years, I can honestly say that this album does exactly what I think they should do.
Yup! Heck, I've been guilty on doing a few things you've described. As I've gotten older, I managed to improve or reform some of my character flaws while gaining a little bit of wisdom as well as maturity. I'm now in my late 20s as I type this and I have a lot more to learn along the way. I guess, it's one of the best things we can do as humans, which is to mainly focus changing ourselves for the better as an individual.
FANTABULOUS!
Go Billy! You're still an amazing artist!
Anyone who thinks this is old school clearly doesn't appreciate proper or excellent music. Wow what a band!!! Clearly current musicians have no clue.
It doesn't "suck balls" it's just different, the pumpkins were always about pushing the limits (in the 90s). Billy Corgan has no interest in reproducing stuff they have already done. Even if it was damn great as the 90s! :) I can still appreciate they are going in a different direction now. Either way I still have a massive amount of respect for Billy for all of the amazing song writing he has done over the years, and yes this does include Quasar.
This is my first time listening to this. Pretty decent.
Thanks mate. Happy Christmas. Hyvää Joulua. Meri Kirihimete.
it's dead because music has to step forward... 90s rock belongs to the 90s... that's not 90s, that's just a band from the 90s producing music in the 21st century. nothing more nothing less. sick of all these comments talking about how much better music was in past years. 90s rock is good but it won't be the same as it was back then..
... Keeps getting better and better
Great song!!
yeah, nice one. definitely
The Quasar live version it's simply AWESOME (sorry for my poor english)
ok i can agree with that, humans and mind evolve as they grow older and take other places in social structure
Rush rocks. True pumpkin sound reminded me a little of pink floyd too
Thank you for successfully rekindling the best of my youth, Billy.
This album is so good!
And that's a whole lotta love!
and thhhhher back hell yeah
I know I hate it when people say a certain music is dead. Its not dead you just gotta look for it.
Super good track.
We all have something we believe in, either its a god or just a feeling or your affection for the people you know.
I respect you and so far you´ve respected me, so im happy with the conversation.
Yeah, but the funny thing is that we can also make good but there´s just something wrong in us that tell us to get more, buy more, feel better to others is good, why not me? Etc etc etc...
All excuses we make to justify ourselves or feel like a victim to deny the real truth, lack of self-discipline.
The most underrated album of the last 20 years
The opening is just brillant, this is how to perfectly start an album.
Love it!
hopefully buying this tomorow
Very Janes Addiction. Good sound!
Exactly!!! Mabye people mean it was more popular in the 90's but you're right. It was NEVER dead!!!
Most of them are married and have kids so they have different obligations/duties these days including a variety of other endeavors or interests outside of music they get themselves involved in. Consequently, a lot of them are no longer able to solely focus on music like they use to. What matters the most is the fact that great classic rock bands like NIRVANA, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, among many others will never be forgotten and always be remembered as legendary figures in music.
My point is that the some of the people I mentioned had too much of a profound and powerful impact in their respective fields to ever get lost in time. Their significance is too important to ever be forgotten. Please don't take this the wrong way as I'm NOT trying to attack or bash you in any way.
Although I agree with you to an extent, it's not completely true as I explained earlier and for the record, I also get your point as well my friend. ;D
Mike Byrne is one hell of a beast. Right on!