American Persimmon - Identifying Male and Female Flowers
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Thank for this. As a kid the family foraged for persimmons. The trees were older, establied & way too tall to see flower detail. We even tried binoculars once. Over the years we learned which were male or female & gave them names as a reminder.
Great video Shawn! Thanks again for your time and effort!
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Great info Sean. Thanks for sharing with us.
That's very helpful! Thank you also for describing the flavor of Persimmons. I've never eaten one, but I will soon be planting 4.
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Thank you for this video, very helpful and your ending regarding hetero-normativity was the icing on the cake. Bravo 👏
Thank you so much for this!
Great info!
Ooh, so cool, and such pretty flowers!
They are really neat flowers!
Wonderful. I've got a whole bunch planted in both my intensive and extensive food forests. Now I know how to tell them apart when they start to flower. Some folks have mentioned grafting, I plan to try my hand at it both ways, male to female and female to male.
Best of luck in learning more about the Persimmon universe!
Wow what a beautiful tree, and what a beautiful flower on that female tree!
Great info. This is one I really want to plant, hoping to grab some for fall planting.
We'll be offering them September 1st on our website.
This is lovely! I can attest to the occasional self-fertility of American Persimmons. I used to live near a single, very tall and mature American Persimmon that was the only one of it's kind for miles. Each year they would bear loads of fruit and occasionally some of those fruit would even have viable seed, from which I have grown many a young tree :)
Cool to hear your experience with that!
Thank you for the information🙂
Brilliant!
Very instructive video! Thank you very much
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for the information!
Any time!
Saving this so I can ID my persimmon trees later on. Thank you!
Hope it is helpful.
Truly a beautiful tree to have on any one's property! Even if you don't eat its fruit! Good show!
Their like eating balls of sugar and the pawpaws are better i can eat a ton of pawpaw fruits they're tricky to get before the wild animals get them sometimes I'd pick some sooner before their ripe and let them ripen up how bananas do i been waiting a year to collect some more pawpaws.
The old neighbor womans field is full of persimmon trees but not tasty pawpaws so im gonna spread those seeds so then she'll have pawpaw tree's to along with the persimmon tree's
Thank you. We have two trees and they happened to be male and female. Helpful facts.
Thank you.
Thank you Good info.
Thank you 😊
Precise and concise explanation! 👍 we bought a persimmon tree a month ago ( we call it hairless since spring now and it has no leaves) we are still to find out if it female or male hopefully this year😊
Good luck!
very helpful. I've been wondering this for years. If I can find a female, I'm going to try to graft it to my males.
Male trees are very beneficial for pollinating. It gives more abundance fruit to other female trees around it . Even if you top working the male trees meaning grafting them with female leave some branches as a male.
Thank you 👍🏻
Thanks so much for this wonderful lesson on persimmons! I was just out by my mature persimmons and noticed that they were raining flowers! It’s the males dropping their flowers all at once… Don’t know why but at least I know it’s the males and not the fruit bearing parts! Hopefully this is normal - what a wonderful species!
Glad it was helpful!
Please start an American persimmon nursery. I doubt there is any amount you could grow that wouldn’t sell out.
We sell American Persimmon. We update inventory on September 1st. I tend to be super low key about that aspect, but generally if I'm doing a talk about a plant we also have it available for folks.
This is really understandable ..thanks
Glad it was useful!
@@edibleacres thanks you sir
Thank you sir.
Most welcome
I've got four growing from seed, but they're still small, at about 1 foot. I'll be planting them out soon. Thank you for this video, as now I know to plant them in close proximity to each other.
I would plant them in a group, if you end up with 3 males and 1 female you can cut two males or graft them over to females. If you have space, plant more!
@@edibleacres Does a fruit-bearing female tree produce male seeds in some of it’s fruit? I planted about 300 seeds from a single tree that is a heavy producer. Will I wind up with all female seedlings?
I hope I can my first paw paw trees from you this next yr. It's the one fruit I want so so so bad being a Florida boy in north Missouri. Never tried them but they sound so yum
They are a fun plant.
Thanks. Ive started from seed and ot was easy but ill have to start again. Would love a few in my yard.
Great you are trying from seed! Make sure you get them fresh and moist and healthy, not dried.
very good. i,ve been trying to identify 1 AP in my yard. Both are males. thank you.
I didn’t even know one of my trees started to flower until I noticed some bees hovering around it. Now I know that tree is a male, and so I’m going to keep an eye on my other trees to find a female. I grew over a dozen from seed about 6 years ago.
Ps. Thanks for the help! ❤
Thanks for the id's!! I never have fruit so now I know by the flowers I have all male...! Now to find a female! :)
Thanks so much for that important information.. btw how tall you think the female is is?
I was thinking about this today, and then I saw your video! Thanks so much! I have a Szukis tree which can produce any combination of male and female flowers. Looks like mine is all male. 😕
Bummer. Hopefully there are some lady branches tucked in there somewhere :)
Thanks for sharing. I bought some American persimmons from you last year but I haven’t seen any flowers on them yet. Do you typically ID whether they are M/F before shipping or are they just too young to tell at that point?
They begin to show flowers after quite a bit... 6-8years from seed seems to be the rough estimate I've found. Maybe sooner if they are in super happy soils. We don't sex them, but encourage folks to hopefully plant 5-10 if their land can fit that many :)
Have you tried your hand on grafting those DV over to cold hardy hybrids like Nikita’s Gift is said to be cold hardy to Zone 5. I am sure with the right micro climate it will survive the winters. I would not plant in zone 5 but grafting might be a better option.
Haven't taken the steps to learn grafting persimmon just yet. It's on the list of hopes but nothing yet.
do you have any japanese persimmon? we have 2 fuyu growing and they are sweet no matter when you pick them, ive found the american ones need to fall off the tree before they sweeten
We are just cold enough here that Japanese is not going to work for us. I know there are some mixed types that may, but marginally hardy is just not that exciting for me :)
I'm cool with waiting until they fall, in fact my preference is to wait for snow and then look for persimmon sized holes in the snow and collect super clean, slightly frozen caramel tangerines in the winter. It feels like a dream
How old were your trees when they began flowering?
Is it possible to combine 1 male & 1 female onto 1 tree, like apple trees, where grafting 1-3 types on one tree? Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I haven't done this myself but it seems like a reasonable idea. We have a number of males (WAY more than we need) that I would like to top work over to female so I may explore that this summer.
@@edibleacres Parents have a persimon in Portugal. No fruit 2019, but did fruit last year. Fruit trees galore in the area, but have not seen another persimon. This year again, plenty of fruit, but they are individual. No clusters.
Don't see why not. Graft is a graft. I have limited space. My apple has 4 grafts. Plum has 4 grafts and both pear tress 4 grafts. Find Scion grafts and it's pretty much plug and play.
You'd be creating a Rebis- the alchemical magnum opus! :P
@@edibleacres - Thank you for your response. If you do experiment, please do a video (if time permits). I'm researching how to graft.... haven't tried it yet. On new property...lots to do! Enjoy your videos!
I had three fruiting persimmon trees. I cut them all down. Two grew back, but do not flower or produce fruit. What can I do to have fruit again?
I didn't realize they were dioecious. Last fall I planted a single American persimmon seedling. I might need to get a few more.
I would encourage you to plant a good number more.
@@edibleacres Based on your description alone, I know that I need to order as many as I can this fall. I managed to snag one from you this spring but didn't realize the male/female thing. The baby you sent me is doing well, by the way. I was afraid I killed it because it took a while to wake up, but now it has lots of leaves and seems to be happy.
I got similar result - all flowers female. But all flowers dropped, no even single flower left. It's first year flowering. What's wrong?
I'm in zone 6 and only 1 of the 3 I bought from you this spring is showing any life. I'm not sure how long they take to bud out but if yours are grown from seed and only 1 lives, do I need to get more trees to get any fruit?
I'm not sure what happened there, but sorry for any frustrations. Sometimes they can take quite a whilie to wake up in the spring but by now most/all should be fully leafed out. We open for fall orders on September 1st and if you reach out then to let us know we would be more than happy to replace the plants that didn't thrive for you.
@@edibleacres oh thank you, that is so kind. I will give them a little more time anyway. The hazelnut are thriving and really im quite pleased;)
Can persimmon trees be grafted! I planted 2 of them this spring. If I find that they are both male trees, can I cut one off and graft a scion from a female onto the stump?
Dave
That is the idea, I haven't tried it personally but I know of many folks who graft them successfully.
Thank you for your video. I have a native persimmon in my yard (zone 9a). It drops orange-colored fruit in late fall to early winter, but there are so many seeds, there is hardly any fruit to eat in them. They taste kind of like dates, what fruit you can get out of them. I just wish there weren't so many seeds. Can you eat persimmons if they fall to the ground after a freeze? I have also seen a small black-fruited persimmon in central Texas. Our horses used to like eating them. I never tried one.
Best I've been able to tell, the fruit size is in large part determined by chill hours with larger fruits coming from colder zones.
So do they need to have both male and female in order to produce fruit? Im guessing they do....
Hey Shawn. I have two persimmons that are maybe two years old. Not flowering. Any way to know if they’re female/male at this point?
Not until they are ready to make flowers. Should be a few more years. Patience :)
Good opportunity while you are waiting for the flowers to start to plant more trees!
Great video, thanks. Another tree I'd love to have. Trying to find somewhere in EU that will supply this type of tree as I know it will do well here but it's so hard to track down. If anyone in Europe has any contacts do let me know, more Eastern/northern the better.
I hope you find an amazing source!
Hi @Baltic Homesteaders I found several sources in Germany. Might be out of stock right now, but usually they have trees in the fall or early spring: www.gruener-garten-shop.de/search?sSearch=Diospyros+virginiana www.ackerbaum.de/sortiment/obstbaeume/ and www.lubera.com/de/shop/amerikansische-kaki_subkat-267-2.html
www.shop.zahradnictvolimbach.sk/en/uootstocks-for-grafting Sometimes have Virginians rootstock.
How old are the trees before they start to flower?
Between 6 and 9 years generally...
very good, but how to Identifying them before flowering period - i mean when they are young after seeding
very good, but how to Identifying them before flowering period - i mean when they are young after seeding
are you companion with cornus varieties in your climate ??
We are. We have Cornus Mas in a number of spots and some Kousa. Amazing at thriving in the shade.
Damnit, I think I got the male tree. Twice it bloomed and never produced any fruit. And the flowers grew in clusters. Is it possible to just graft the fuyu variety onto the american male trunk?
great video. do you need both male and female for pollination?
A lot of the common female cultivars will produce seedless fruit when not pollinated.
As Kyle mentioned... if you were to purchase a grafted female chances are they will produce seedless fruit on their own. Seedling grown Persimmon need males and females to get a decent fruit set.
Do selected cultivars like" PROK" are really self fertil?Can asian persimmon polinate american persimmon?
I don't believe they can cross. PROK and others like that are supposed to be self fruitful. I believe that is the case
Thank you for the video I purchased three American persimmons two of them are flourishing great the third one died but that was my fault I'm hoping I have a male and a female and not just to males
Either investing in a grafted female or trying to find room for a good handful of seedlings would be worth your while.
to me it’s counterintuitive that female would have one flower and male would have triple cluster of flowers. Thinking of male and female reproductive anatomy in nature!
To add I have one persimmon tree ab 8 years old and it grew very tall but never flowered yet! I am waiting 🤪!
Fingers crossed for a lady!
In humans, millions of sperm (pollen in the case of trees) race to fertilize a single egg so it is actually aligned quite nicely with human biology!
How many years (from seed) until they fruit?
Roughly 6-8 years
5 years old trees and still no flowers. Is that normal?
Yes that seems reasonable, they take a while!
If one wants to plant one tree is it ok ??? Thanks
It's fine but very unlikely to get fruit unless it is a grafted female
@@edibleacres so one must have two persimmon trees ?
What if they are two female ?
So… does the Male branches have any benefits at all for helping females bear fruits?!! I have a tree that is female with a small portion of male branches…
That's confusing. Is whole tree male or female, or some branches are male and others are female, on the same tree?
@@johngordon9140 yup the whole tree is female but there is a big branch coming off the stump that’s male… leaves are different color and it has the smaller flowers.
@@DxModel219 How about whole tree male, so useless? Is that possible?
@@johngordon9140 what I’m asking is if the female tree gets any benefits from the male trees… maybe pollinating? If Male is of no use, then I am considering to cut them off. I have no idea of gardening or how these work.
@@DxModel219 I mean is it possible to have male only tree, without any female branches. I don't know are male branches needed. I guess not, but I don't know if cut them off is a good idea. Maybe male flowers causes fruits have a seeds inside
So if a flower has a cluster of 2 it's definitely a male?
I don't know that I would suggest that at all... The males tend to be in clusters of 3 it seems... 1 or 2 flowers at a time feel like mainly female to me. I should be *very* clear that I'm learning as I go too! Mark the trees in question and know the answer in the fall!
Do you need a male to get fruit?
Some varieties are able to make fruit just as a female, most grafted types are this way... For the most part, however, you get WAY more fruit if males are around to pollinate.
@@edibleacres ok, great info. You guys are awesome. Thanks for all you do for our growers' community. Many blessings
Can’t wait to get persimmons. At the end of the film, you Say ladies and gentlemen, and for trees, this may be personification, but it works as an analogy because and is a reference to a norm, A biological norm. I would not use terms heteronorm. I don’t care for doublespeak coolaid words like this recently invented by queer studies professors to remake the language. Well I never met a tree arguing it’s assigned sex, or needed gender affirming care. Queer tree Does not exist in nature, or if it did it gets selected against. Don’t worry. You are not harming anyone by saying ladies and gentleman. In fact i should never stop using the terms ladies and gentleman.
Cheers to that!
I have a lot of males popping up in my yard, so there's a female tree somewhere. 🕵🏾♂️
I still have not managed to be successful growing these. ☹️
Always worth trying again. We have some plants we tried many many times already with no luck but they just take a while to figure out their needs.
I started some seeds a few years back in half gallon milk jugs with the top cut off. Had almost all sprout and survive at least 2-3 years in a semi shady spot on our porch. Good luck
Very bitter to when you eat one thats not rotten enough
Great video until the end, when you had to bring barf-worthy gender politics 🤮 into an otherwise enjoyable video. Appreciate the information shared before that-thanks. I'm still confused by the fact that I'm hearing/reading different things from different sources, as to whether these these trees are self-pollinating, or require a male tree nearby to pollinate them. (And YES, it's ok and useful to refer to some trees as male and some trees as female in the plant kingdom). If anybody out there knows definitively (not an educated guess, I can do that too, lol), please let me know! There might be others out there who have the same question... the literature seems confused about it. Thanks!!
Glad you found the video useful overall...
Personally, I think it's pretty interesting and kinda great that they have that fluidity and complexity. I do refer to trees as male and female, and plants like seaberry for example are super locked in from the get go and thats great and it works wonderfully. Having examples in nature of more nuance and flow, to me, has nothing to do with politics. I get why you'd think that, but you may be surprised to hear some of my politics and there isn't an agenda embedded in here. Just a celebration of there being more complexity to it all.
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My persimmon identified as a non binary, so I cut it down.
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