6 hour endurance race. BUT! The 5 slowest cars (least laps) are eliminated at the end of the hour. 30 car field is cut to 10 cars for the final hour. Edit: Eliminated cars are then crushed by monster trucks during the pit time. BOOM. Keeps car costs down. Also, no eliminations after the first hour. So everybody gets to pit once.
agreed, 6 is a little to short. maybe 8 or 10. 8 is your typical work shift. 2 drivers can bang out 4 each. Would be able to do it during daylight and have spectators out. 8 hours on a saturday can make for one hell of an event!
@@IAMBrandon_JNI actually disagree. Some of the folks that would help sell this event out and be participants are those with regular jobs. 6 hours is a doable weekend trip. But honestly, I think if it’s a 30 car field, limit it to 15 RUclipsrs that have 100K+ subs. That way the smaller more normal guys that would run this kind of a race have a chance of being chosen to participate. Plus when you get to 8 hours plus for time, spectators are gonna get tired, sleepy, cranky, kids are gonna throw fits and have everyone around them bitching. And refreshment costs are REALLY gonna go up with a longer race like that.
8 hours each team gets scheduled pit time with a real pit crew on a pre determined set lap or something like that maybe a couple real crews 50k plus a badass trophy that gets passed on each year 8 hour de mcfarlands Grand Prix maybe even run a weird weird layout going through burnout pads make it interesting
You could throw in bicycle night for the kids and let them race around a course for a prize. I always loved that when I was a kid and it seemed to bring out more ppl .
Maybe look at Champcar Endurance racing rules. Max size limit for fuel tank. Mandatory pit/driver change every 2 hrs. 4 man driving team max. Magnet timer starts (stuck on car) at beginning of pit lane, with a minimum pit time (usually plenty of time to fuel, change driver, change tire, minor repairs, etc) Champcar runs 10hrs Saturday, and 7-8 hrs Sunday. Add 2 days points together for a weekend total. Gives guys a chance for major repairs overnight. Team I helped on has swapped transmissions. Other teams have items machined and welded overnight at local shops. Lots of fun. I cant wait to watch whatever you decide to do. Wish I lived closer. Keep up the great work.
A minimum weight limit solves some of the mentioned issues. A "forced to sell" at a set price if a willing buyer shows up can stop any attempt to "pay to win".
Do it like lemon rules, excluding safety stuff the car can’t exceed a certain cost. The overall winner gets to buy any car on the grid for the value they registered it as, so if they tell porkies about how much it costs and they don’t win? They’ll lose their car AND money Also the whole B-S demerit scheme should be implemented, “My mate installed it for free so I didn’t count the cost” = BS demerits.
Hey Cleet! Consider 3x 8HR races!!! Call it the MAD tournament. (Midnight, Afternoon, Day) all the shift working viewers will love it! Teams need 3 drivers to complete as many laps as they can in 3 races. -Day 1 , midnight race goes 11p-7a, they get 8hr downtime to fix stuff -Day 2, Afternoon race goes 3-11p, again 8hr of downtime -Day 3, Day race goes 7a-3p If a team completely breaks their car (trans/engine go boom), they get to bring a backup car BUT can only swap out between days. Team with the most laps at the end of the 3 races wins.
Cleeter, 12 or 24 hours is a real endurance race, you can make a system were only the laps under "21 seconds" (its a random number) counts so you automatically avoid slow cars, also you put 2 weight limits a minimun "dry with driver" and a maximun "full tank" with these you avoid 200 gallons tanks (also with the time cut you avoid that because a too much heavy car will not make the cut). I'm an race marshall since 34 years ago here at Argentina, anything i can help with rules or regulations, safety and so i'll be really glad to help. Podium hugh from Tucuman Argentina! Enzo Allegrucci
What about a V8 1990 town car that gets an average of 17-30mpg at cruising speed(40-60mph)? About 4300lbs give or take. I bet a full tank would last a full 6 hours at 50-60. Not that it'll race with only like 160hp, but I bet it'd be a good contender for most endurance
When a car goes into the pit a timer starts and it can’t leave until after the timer is up regardless if they was fast or not. Then cars can go to pit on their own time rather than stopping the race. And everybody still gets the same time off their laps.
Pitting 30 car if that many are still rolling and have not crashed already, first getting to pit then lining them back up again in order big old mess, pitting on a minimum clock works and keeps the crowed and energy rolling the whole time, that's a live stream id pay for 😉 but need to have a gas tank limit like 13gal tank
There are many great ideas stated here by others. I definitely like the 1) maximum tank size. 2) Eliminate slowest (2 or other number) every hour. 3) Half hour "lunch break" halfway through race and switch directions when coming back. 4) Only 6cyl or only 8cyl. 5) Cheap bonus of $1500 +/- for fastest lap end of every hour (must not be eliminated though). 6) Viewer vote of favorite racer, winner gets $5000 +/- bonus (End of race) Regardless of what this becomes, always going to watch and support ya Cleeter!
I like the idea of 'fastest lap'. But throw in this, the fastest lap can only be won once. The next hour it has to be someone else. If the same person was fastest in the second hour, they don't win. The second fastest would win. Third hour, the winners of the first and second are not eligible. Nor the third for the fourth hour, etc. It spreads the winnings around.
Check out the IMSA rule book. There are probably a lot of standardization rules they use to even up a field. Also, you should do classes just like IMSA to separate the V8s and V6s (maybe I6s as well). The difference in fuel consumption and obviously power is too great between those two engine types. Run a multi-class field where they all run at the same time.
First off, turn that big ol field out front into a rallycross track. You ever seen a galaxie go offroading? It's magic!! As to your issue with slow cars coming out to an endurance, teams have to qualify with a minimum average time and maintain it through the competition. Say a crown Vic averages a 21 sec time so then they can't sand bag. Gas has to be in a factory tank or specific size fuel cell.
Rallycross and barrel racing, Thunda needs to be put to work on dirt like any good ute. Swear to god, ute barrel racing is the most entertaining thing I’ve seen in a long time
As a sports car & road racing official, I'd highly recommend the 5 minute minimum pit stop for the sake of safety. Also: - Different classes for 4 cylinders/V6/V8 - Overall & class wins -Mininum weight & displacement limits - Saftey equipment being a must - (rollcage/firesuits/fire surpression maybe) - 2 to 3 drivers per car, minimum of a 6 hour race. 3-5 for anything longer (12/24 hours) - 1 Mandatory Pit stop at the halfway point (30-60 minute Halftime period) - Time Penalties should anyone commit some argy-bargy - Grid walk for the fans before the start of the race - Driver autograph sessions for the fans during the weekend - Maddy's Porsche could be used as the Saftey Car - The winners recieves a memorial watch, for racing around the clock - Not quite a Rolex, but a step up above a Timex Basically some of these iseas are in bigger series like IMSA, which just had the 12 Hours of Sebring thats not too far away from you. Champ Car, SCCA, NASA, & the 24h Series have several examples of how it's done Just some examples
Whatever you do, make it a 2 x 6 hour event (or similar) across two days - it'll massively help with streaming numbers and also help teams repair cars. Just from the nature of it, it'll be a process of elimination via attrition instead of actual racing. On the pit stop side of things, FWIW, even at Nurburgring 24 hr they have pit stop minimum times in place for safety. So even at a pro level they do it. There's pretty big penalties in place for breaking that rule for that reason. Limit fuel tank size, mandate minimum pit stop times and make it so you have to take X amount of pits stops - this then forces some level of strategy. Have a max team size of say 4-5 people. Someone further down mentioned about Champcar Championship rules and I agree.
Dude I’m just glad you bought that track man I was eight and watching a figure 8 school bus race back in the day I’m 34 now grew up in Bradenton almost died in palmetto Florida woke up from a 59 day coma after a no seatbelt car crash on my way to Feld to paint monster trucks for monster jam my ex wife wanted to sign my dnr paperwork 8 days into my 59 day coma good thing she didn’t they needed CPR three times in my 59 days so yes I love seeing my hometown on RUclips I’m now handicap trying to relearn to walk and talk and I love that you guys are doing stuff strong hell yea brother
honestly just make it a 4 door, v8 sedan/wagon race. If you have a vic, impala, towncar, buick, whatever. 4 doors, sedan, v8 motor, factory or dropped in, no turbos or superchargers, unless you want that and then all will have to have them (I would say all supercharged). 6 hours isnt enough. Maybe 8 or 12 hours. Their team also has to prove that it can pit the car successfully and without injury before you let them out on the track.
A lot of smart rules will be required to prevent people from trying to be “smart” themselves but still leave room for interesting racing. Here are some I’ve seen in similar events. 1. Set a max size for the fuel tank(or max amount of fuel that can be put in the car) - that way pit stops will happen but will allow for strategy depending on how much your car burns instead of fixed pitstop every hour. Not everyone will rush to the pit simultaneously. Maybe also set total fuel for the whole race to keep faster & slower cars/driver closer to each other 2. 100% min pitstop time as you said. Even professional racing series do that in the name of safety (and budget) 3. To finish you must drive to the checkered flag. No banging super fast laps then breaking down/resting for hours. 4. Set max consecutive stints for a single driver. Average out the drivers in a team. No carrying to victory by one driver. 5. Set an average lap time for the race. Not sure how this will work. Hopefully no slow vehicles on track. Also maybe strategy to choose when to push.
I like the idea from some other comments about eliminating the last spot at the end of every hour. Make it the last 2, they fight for pole for 3-5 laps, call em last hope laps, whoever stays out front stays, the other gets the 1-555-YER-DONE tow job. If someone else that's not bottom 2 is out front, then they're both eliminated. Might get someone sandbagging for last to move up so have the one who gets to stay drop back to the back IDK, gets complicated but sounds like a good time.
First off congratulations on the new baby girl!! As a Father of 2 boys and 2 girls I can straight up tell you boys are way easier!! That being said I love the idea of an endurance race I'm not sure if it can be done if people sign a waiver or what? I say 30 RUclipsrs and 30 everyday folks names drawn from a raffle.. I'm telling you this would get the fans pumped up to be able to have a chance to get involved!! 🤷 Thanks Cleets for all the awesome content!! Your truly American patriot Mikey -Ray.🇺🇸
Switching from the kidney bean layout to just circle track every hour could make it interesting since people would have to ensure they are set up for right turns as well
You have to think about what would Smokey Yunick do to win? The guy was a master getting around the rules. Probably the 3 biggest things you can do 1) have a set budget (like 8k aside from safety equipment) and 2) have a set engine horsepower (ex: 300 hp) and 3) an aftermarket fuel tank that holds 5 gallons. Having these in place should help with an even playing field. It'll give people room to add performance parts to their cars but anything over 300 hp gives you a 10 second late start from the back, so from 301 to 305 hp you get a 10 second late start from 306 to 310 20 seconds, 311 t0 315 30 seconds, anything over 315 is disqualified.
What if you come at this from a different angle. Our local Dirt Track used to have a 2 times a year race called an Enduro. Its a "run what you brung" kind of race. Everything from 4 cylinder bangers to V8 monsters. If a car died or wrecked the race was stopped to clear the driver and the car was left on the track. For time, these were limited to 100 laps. The Freedom Factory is the same length track, 3/8th mile. If my math is right 500 miles is 1,334 laps, with an average of 60 mph per lap, that would be 8 hours of driving. I say let people bring what every car they want, do your 5 minute pits, and cap the car value at $1,500 saftey equiptment excluded. Stock engines only, only one set of tires. One more thing, get enough cars to fill the whole front stretch. More cars, more mayhem, more obsitcals.
10hr race, makes for a full day of laps being put down, 15-30min brake at hour 5 for vehicle/driver cool down (don't want any issues with health), plus that gives the track team to assess the track, field, cars, and most importantly laps! A race for endurance but also who is the fastest on track. Lap times should go into factor as well! Hopefully this helps! Love ya brother and may you figure this out so we all can enjoy!
one guy said 6 is to short. i agree, 6 is a little to short. maybe 8 or 10 hours. 8 is your typical work shift. 2 drivers can bang out 4 each. Would be able to do it during daylight or end right after sun set and have spectators out. 8 hours on a saturday can make for one hell of an event!!
Alright, hear me out. 12 hour race, 6 man pit crew max, 30 gallon fuel tank limit. 2 drivers per team, 8 hours max drive time per driver. 6 and 8 cylinder cars only. Final lap goes down Daytona 24h style (whoever crossed the line in 1st place after the time expires wins). Best part, Le Mans start, drivers run to their cars and start them. Would love to see this idea implemented, and best of luck Cleet
Some rules they run in other endurance races are that, say in a team of 2, each driver needs to do at least 1/3 of the time in the car, and there's no double stinting. Stops a really fast driver staying in the car for too long, but also makes sure drivers have a rest.
Great ideas but you need to have other events going on at the same time so people don’t get bored. Maybe a car show or some other festive activities. Burnout contest to kick it off maybe.
instantly what came to mind, the issue with "fast cars" is you have to weave in and out of a pack of slower cars. Making a lot of your performance pointless unless you can get around people easily. Then again how many people are gonna wanna run there Tesla or new vette with someone like the spectator drags blazer.
Creating a bonus for fastest lap per segment would push the sandbaggers. Maybe a tiered payout so if you win you get a bonus for each fastest lap you get.
There needs to be a split pot.. make it worth it for more people to participate... top 3 get a prize of diminishing amount... 100k pot.. 50k to winner 35k 1st looser 15k to 2nd looser...the more people can win the more legit the action will be
My suggestions are the following: Limit the size of fuel tanks in the cars No scheduled pit stops, force them to be strategic Don't ban cars on other grounds than safety For a safe pit area: Have a minimum pit time and an extremely low speed limit in the hot pit. Less than 10mph. Also force them to use a safe refueling rig. To even out the race field, you could set a limit on power to weight ratio. Also limit tire sizes.
For suggestions on power to weight ratio calculations, you could have a look at "SSK Klass 3" from Sweden, and just set a ratio you like. That series contains everything from a BMW M1 Sauber with a nascar engine, to a extremely tuned Volvo 240. And it's close racing. For endurance, bump those power numbers down a fair bit.
Also, to make sure there is safe racing: Either have the teams stop in the pit for penalties, or just deduct a number of laps. If unsafe driving costs 10 minutes in the box of shame, hopefully most drivers will behave.
You could use the buy it for $X,XXX rule. You set some limit of say $25,000 and, if you enter your car, any competitor can offer to buy it for that dollar amount. Keeps someone from entering anything too nice into the race, but still nice enough that it could get interesting. I'd also recommend requiring real cages in all entered vehicles. Safety third...or something like that.
I feel like the racers should have skin in the game and something to loose you can make it 50k but make it a 100 dollar buy in or maybe more. I personally wouldn’t do an endurance race you basically already have that. I would do something more like a rally inspired race with the dirt and space out back and make it a set lap count with two mandatory pits done at drivers choice in time with the pit lasting 5 minutes atleast.
If you're worried about them driving slow to save fuel, maybe give bonus fractions of a lap if they hit a time? Like a sub-20 second lap counts as 1.1 laps, and a sub-19 counts as 1.25 laps, sub-18 1.5 laps, etc. Hit a certain number of bonus laps and you get to change tires?
¤ Race for 55 minutes per hour ¤ 5 minute obligatory pit stop ¤ Driver change every 2nd pit stop ¤ No 4 cyl car, only v6 and v8, only NA (no turbo, supercharger, no gas or any power enhancers) ¤ No engine swaps, only stock engine in that car, otherwise you will get Miatas that are V6, v8 or even Rotary swapped ¤ To make it extra fun, only FF (Front wheel drive) cars, in inspiration of the Freedom Factory ¤ All of them must have the same tires that are bought on FF ground to make it fare for all cars. ¤ Most laps during a 6 hour sprint ¤ Minimum of two drivers per car ¤ A maximum of 6 people per team who shall handle both driving, pit stops and even all the repairs if any are needed, with there own tools Just some ideas And all of this can be scaled up if you decided to make the race longer then 6 hours.
Here's an idea, 70s and 80s land yachts, but since they pretty much all have low compression V8s, every car gets an eBay turbo setup. Could do one big race or a few heats weeding them out for a final showdown. Stock suspension, maximum body roll.
6 hours invites people with fast street cars and race cars to join. I would recommend 12 hours, with 1.5hr pit windows. 1.5 hour windows will be long enough to prevent people from being able to go balls-to-the-wall in pure race cars, as GT cars (and most road race cars) will usually get around 1 hour per stint. 12 hours will dissuade people from taking their Porsches, McLarens or Lambo's on the track, as risk outweighs reward at that point.
Sunday, and he's working. Tells ya something about how dedicated Garret is to making sure all those that depend on him, family, friends, co-workers and employees, have got the security needed in a modern workforce.
Good idea. But you want the rules something like K cars. But Max 300bhp ( or something) Cars under so much weight ( because lighter cars can carry more speed in the corners) which will make it more fun A max budget of $5000 Certain tyre size ( to make it a bit more even)
@@moenglish6713 pit stops would be significantly safer with Karts instead of cars. And besides, almost anyone can buy or build a go-kart. Very easy to spec cc, fuel capacity , tire size etc. Maybe one day cleet will build a dedicated go-kart track on site.
I race karts. CRG 125 Rotax max. There's just one problem. The track is in bad condition. Karts need a flat surface because there's no SUSPENSION ON THE KART. you will lose all your teeth , vertebrates, and ribs . Not possible my friends
I mean, host a LeMons race. Those were wildly popular and the spirit of them seems right up the alley of what you’re trying to do. Parking lot builds only; $1000 budget (minus safety equipment); minimum displacement 3.0L. Squirrel and Cleet could build one easy
I feel it would be cool to have "The 24hrs of Freedom." But definitely have the fuel rule like you said. But I would like to ask, ever thought about making a dirt track in that giant field?
I wonder if he has thought about that. Only issue is it gets 100% full of cars for parking for events. If they made a dirt track then fans would have no where to park
stock power train rule, don't limit engine size, limit it by factory rated HP like 220hp min 400 max or similar. have a "hard luck" prize for the one who seems to have the worst luck, but works their ass off to keep trying best they can. I like the change directions at the half way mark idea some one else suggested.
Lol like old Chrysler K cars!? Or the Japanese Kei cars? I think the old Chrysler K cars would really level the playing field except you’d definitely need cages because those things wee made out of tinfoil. I’m picturing the poor driver who doesn’t realize they have a AT&T fleet lean burn car wondering why won’t this wagon keep up? Lol my mom bought one for the mail route and we didn’t know it was a fleet car until we went to do the plugs on it. 🙄
30 cars, 12 hours, pit every hour, slowest two cars eliminated every hour until eight cars are left. Cars that fallout don't count as eliminated. Once a car breaks down they're out.
What if the slowest cars that got eliminated have a chance to be put back in when a car can’t continue as in a breakdown or crash. Then whatever car that got eliminated, the fastest car goes back in.
Much agreed, something like a formula racecar. There are set criteria as to motor size, min.weight, fuel tank size, tire&wheel size max, drivetrain (rwd/fwd/awd), unlimited power adders but min/max engine size. Refine these rules to fit several makes in the category and see what happens.
Big block blower cars only. 6 gallon fuel cells. Just hearing 30 blown big blocks strategizing throttle whacks and coasting to maximize mileage would be pretty epic. As well as absolute chaos.
I think the key to this is having a qualification race/series first. Find tracks to partner with or something, get people doing a couple of hours of laps before the big race, and I think it will be way more competitive
6 hour Endurance Field inverts after every pit stop/ caution. No matter what lap you are on, you are always on the lead lap, so if the car in last gets lapped, he is now in second place
Here’s your winning idea. You give 6 hours, no rules, no limits. Once you pull on the track that’s it. You leave the track you’re done and however many laps you completed is your number. Most laps after 6 hours wins.
Drag and Drive event! Drag race, 6 hour endurance race and anyone that can finish drag races again. First drag race sets starting order, second drag race is +1 laps for each place (like 1sr place is +10, second is +9) or something like that.
Brother, this is what you need. The Freedom Ford Festiva 500 (minutes). Small tanks. Small cars. Small engines just being absolutely thrashed at their limit to get as many laps as possible.
As a dirt track racer and flagman, i think 10 to 12 hours, rain or shine, no spots cars (Camaro Firebird etc), use a v6 or v8 common everyday family style vehicle, 2 door or 4 would be a fun show. But let everyone do 1 mod to a v8 car and 2 mods to their v6 car
If your looking at about 6 hours it would be worth looking at the Bathurst 1000 and GT3/GT4 Bathurst 12 hour races for some inspiration around the rules. The Bathurst 1000 is nearly a 161 sprint race now but that's after 70-80 years of learning how to make the cars go that fast for that far. Edit: I think some of what the 12 hour did in 2023 is a good idea. Minimum pitstop lengths depending on what you need to do might help to make it safer for inexperienced pit crew and lessen the gap between pros and beginners in that area, eg. must stand still for so many seconds if you need to do tyres. Maybe no time restriction for fuel (so fuel saving can be an advantage) but for safety the car must be still while the fuel is being added and all fueling methods would need to be identical so no one can add more fuel quicker.
The one thing about the prize is that $100,000 is much more likely to be picked up by algorithms. I think 6 hours might be too short, a good circle track team could go that long pretty easily lmao. On that note, ban circle track cars with the Miatas. A 12-24 hour race would allow for some more intensive pit repairs without fully taking you out of contention.
Gotta figure out how to get drivers that aren't just there to tear stuff up like usually happens in the other races. REALLY need driving penalties to keep a full field til the end.
I would run an 8 hour race as fans in attendance can sit through it, and people could have parties at their house for friends to watch the PPV (all very doable or just a party at the end of the race for the lightweights). Race would be 4 x 2 hour stages and each car would be allocated 20 gallons of E85 fuel to run each stage and cars which cannot make it into the pit after 1 hr 50 min without external assistance would be DQ'd. There would be a 10 minute mandatory pit at the end of each stage that can extend into the next stage for cars with repairs needed. Cars not able to return to the race within 10 minutes into the next stage would be DQ'd. Minimum displacement of 280 CI ,any format, any induction boosted or not. Could make it interesting and say no driver can compete in more than 1 or 2 stages (I would prefer no more than 1). I would not do the claiming race BS but I would do some leveling like only allow a certain tire brand and size down to the very specific diameter, profile and width, and make it something a street car would typically drive on. Similarly I would mandate a very specific shock absorber front and rear, like Monroe Matics normally put onto a Ford Excursion 4WD (these are the shocks with the greatest travel in the Monroe Matic brand and would be tough to adapt to a Mazda Miata or Porsche 911 Turbo Carerra. If you see someone who looks like they have the wrong shocks just make them buy a new set from you after tech but before the race and make them trade you, same with the tires, if you see some without the nubs from the mold on them make them buy a new set from you. This makes the rules easier because you only make sure they are not cheating on a few important things and all the rest is left to innovate with. You could do all the fueling as the cars come out of the pits to line up for each stage, limiting shenanigans on fuel. Don't allow the teams to bring in any fluids or containers with fluids into the pits either, make them get them from you. These are just some ideas to make the race easy to administer, interesting to us average Joes and Janes and reasonably priced to compete in for the race teams. Thanks for asking.
My first thought about the 5 min pit after an hour is it either must be required by all to stop or, you can skip the stop, but you cannot pit till the next scheduled stop. That would be a challenge. During the race, if it becomes apparent that most people are skipping stops and making it to the next stop, maybe adjust the “rules”.😂
A maximum fuel-up amount cripples teams and evens the playing field. A lot of 24hr races do that, and it makes endurance racing very interesting. A car can have a 20 gallon cell but can only fill up 7 gallons every pit, stuff like that.
I think limiting the overall number of entrants to a sane number to keep the racing clean and safe and them using the drag strip as a qualifier is a brilliant idea. It keeps the action awesome because you're gonna need a big HP monster to qualify, but that doesn't always translate to a great circle track car, so things would be fun to watch. I approve of the pit stop rules so far, and I would measure and limit every car refill to whatever size fuel tank it came with stock. I believe that should prove plenty sufficient for an hour or even two of running which should be interesting because with the way the pit stop rules are looking you could potentially have a lot of strategy with actually adding LESS fuel than the max to reduce weight but still try and make it to the end. Tires- I think you should probably introduce some kind of limitations on the treadwear etc of the tires allowable.
I love the idea of this, your idea for a mandatory pit every hour with a set 5 min time is smart. From surfing comments and thinking about it a bit on my own I have this: - Last place at the end of every hour during pit stop is eliminated, would prevent sandbagging. - Fastest laps in each segment/after each pit stop would give a bonus to the team in someway, incentivizing teams to push to be the fastest. - Fan Boost/Votes, fans can vote real-time to award their favorite team a temporary advantage, such as a shorter pit stop or something. - Possibly set max/min weight limits on cars. - Possibly set a time threshold so only laps completed under a certain time are counted, preventing sandbagging while encouraging speed & consistency. - Possibly limit max fuel tank size - Possibly limit amount of people on a driving team, e.g. 4 people.
The 5 minute pit rule is good. You could make it a everything allowed type event, like a group B rally. That would be awesome to see and it will never get old.
Aussie V8 endurance have 12h race, 10 compulsory pit stops with mandated minimum time, driver time limits for stint and overall race, pit lane speed limits, Minimum engine capacity would help even the field.
Great idea! Maybe shoot for 10-12hrs. You’d have a good mix of speed vs long game. Limit the fuel to 20 gallons. I like the idea of “stage brake” pit stops, maybe make it every 2hrs. Freeze the field so people aren’t rushed in the pits even with the time out. The 2hrs and 20gal tanks would bring some fuel management strategy into play. The 10-12hr endurance would test parts durability. Make it so you had to swap a driver every 2hrs. Then after 2 2hr stints (4hrs) the first driver could go back in. Keep rotating through the drivers. That would keep the drivers rested while only needing 3 drivers. Keeping the safety factor up. Limit it to v8s/v6s. Allow some boost on the v6s. That opens it up to 3800 supercharged/turbocharged applications. Just some spitballing off the top of my head.
Do a standard 8 hour work day race. You have to pit a minimum of once every hour for at least 5 minutes. Every pit is 5 minutes no matter how many you have done in that hour. After 4 hours everyone meets in the middle of the track for a 30 minute lunch break. Their crew can work on their car during that time. After the lunch break you switch directions on the track. Cars would be something you would commute in, daily drive or a work truck/van.
One race idea I have had since about the time you got the FF , Camaro-Mustang-Challenger. 2005-2020 people get copart hail damage cars or mild crashed .. you would want a a displacement cap so people don’t bring hellcats ,, it could even be a chance for use up the 6cyls .. now , you can get the cars more equal by giving the slower more tire ..
I definitely think that it shouldn't be just an oval race. Im sure you can add a few more turns in with the inner loop. Also maybe have separate classes. V-6 V-8 etc. Would have to break down the total price amount per class. That could be for the next race if this one turns out well. I think longer than 6 hours for sure, as many stated. Fuel tank size restrictions definitely, and maybe tire limit as well. Only allow each team x amount of tires.
Standard workday rules. 8 hrs. 15 min breaks. 1/2 hr for lunch. Call it the 9 to Freedom.
This is the idea right here! Perfect 👌
Gets my vote.
Love it!
and there's a lunch time cook off or something.
I approve of this.
6 hour endurance race. BUT! The 5 slowest cars (least laps) are eliminated at the end of the hour. 30 car field is cut to 10 cars for the final hour.
Edit: Eliminated cars are then crushed by monster trucks during the pit time. BOOM. Keeps car costs down. Also, no eliminations after the first hour. So everybody gets to pit once.
That's actually a good idea 💡 🤔
I like it. I think you're math if off a hair but yes, weed out the slo-mos. Also, I think attrition will cut the field down quite a bit .
Depending on how many cars break/wreck there wouldn’t be any cars left.
I like this idea.
This is good
6 hours is a weekend trip. 12 hours would make it more of an endurance race
agreed, 6 is a little to short. maybe 8 or 10. 8 is your typical work shift. 2 drivers can bang out 4 each. Would be able to do it during daylight and have spectators out. 8 hours on a saturday can make for one hell of an event!
You could do a two day event 12 hours each? 24 hours of Far Lans!
@@IAMBrandon_JNI actually disagree. Some of the folks that would help sell this event out and be participants are those with regular jobs. 6 hours is a doable weekend trip.
But honestly, I think if it’s a 30 car field, limit it to 15 RUclipsrs that have 100K+ subs. That way the smaller more normal guys that would run this kind of a race have a chance of being chosen to participate.
Plus when you get to 8 hours plus for time, spectators are gonna get tired, sleepy, cranky, kids are gonna throw fits and have everyone around them bitching. And refreshment costs are REALLY gonna go up with a longer race like that.
I agree with the offroad idea, maybe dirt track.
8 hours each team gets scheduled pit time with a real pit crew on a pre determined set lap or something like that maybe a couple real crews 50k plus a badass trophy that gets passed on each year 8 hour de mcfarlands Grand Prix maybe even run a weird weird layout going through burnout pads make it interesting
You could throw in bicycle night for the kids and let them race around a course for a prize. I always loved that when I was a kid and it seemed to bring out more ppl .
Bring back the $1500 beater challenge. Maybe up it to $2500 with all this dang inflation!
3500
People always cheat those
@@FrostE941not with randoms. A cleeter team competition like last time.
@kevinmenard6792 that was awesome.
THIS
Maybe look at Champcar Endurance racing rules. Max size limit for fuel tank. Mandatory pit/driver change every 2 hrs. 4 man driving team max. Magnet timer starts (stuck on car) at beginning of pit lane, with a minimum pit time (usually plenty of time to fuel, change driver, change tire, minor repairs, etc) Champcar runs 10hrs Saturday, and 7-8 hrs Sunday. Add 2 days points together for a weekend total. Gives guys a chance for major repairs overnight. Team I helped on has swapped transmissions. Other teams have items machined and welded overnight at local shops. Lots of fun. I cant wait to watch whatever you decide to do. Wish I lived closer. Keep up the great work.
I really like this idea
and would be good for PPV numbers.
Love this idea. Has a lil' Drag Week vibes to it
Great idea
Chumpcar is already a thing, what could Cleetus call his race?
A minimum weight limit solves some of the mentioned issues.
A "forced to sell" at a set price if a willing buyer shows up can stop any attempt to "pay to win".
THIS !
James May and Mika Hakkinen episode about sizu, I really like the forced to sell at 3500 dollar or someting idea.
A 5k force to sell would make for a good beater only race
Do it like lemon rules, excluding safety stuff the car can’t exceed a certain cost.
The overall winner gets to buy any car on the grid for the value they registered it as, so if they tell porkies about how much it costs and they don’t win? They’ll lose their car AND money
Also the whole B-S demerit scheme should be implemented,
“My mate installed it for free so I didn’t count the cost” = BS demerits.
Even just 'forced to sell engine' rule levels the playing feild.
Hey Cleet! Consider 3x 8HR races!!!
Call it the MAD tournament. (Midnight, Afternoon, Day) all the shift working viewers will love it!
Teams need 3 drivers to complete as many laps as they can in 3 races.
-Day 1 , midnight race goes 11p-7a, they get 8hr downtime to fix stuff
-Day 2, Afternoon race goes 3-11p, again 8hr of downtime
-Day 3, Day race goes 7a-3p
If a team completely breaks their car (trans/engine go boom), they get to bring a backup car BUT can only swap out between days. Team with the most laps at the end of the 3 races wins.
Cleeter, 12 or 24 hours is a real endurance race, you can make a system were only the laps under "21 seconds" (its a random number) counts so you automatically avoid slow cars, also you put 2 weight limits a minimun "dry with driver" and a maximun "full tank" with these you avoid 200 gallons tanks (also with the time cut you avoid that because a too much heavy car will not make the cut). I'm an race marshall since 34 years ago here at Argentina, anything i can help with rules or regulations, safety and so i'll be really glad to help. Podium hugh from Tucuman Argentina! Enzo Allegrucci
This is good stuff
What about a V8 1990 town car that gets an average of 17-30mpg at cruising speed(40-60mph)? About 4300lbs give or take. I bet a full tank would last a full 6 hours at 50-60. Not that it'll race with only like 160hp, but I bet it'd be a good contender for most endurance
Yep, and the time cut limits the speed differential, safer racing.
Time cut is good.
When a car goes into the pit a timer starts and it can’t leave until after the timer is up regardless if they was fast or not. Then cars can go to pit on their own time rather than stopping the race. And everybody still gets the same time off their laps.
That doesn't solve cars that have massive fuel tanks
This! And just add a tank limit. Solved.
Pitting 30 car if that many are still rolling and have not crashed already, first getting to pit then lining them back up again in order big old mess, pitting on a minimum clock works and keeps the crowed and energy rolling the whole time, that's a live stream id pay for 😉 but need to have a gas tank limit like 13gal tank
Maybe have a minimum of six pit stops? You can take more but you have to take six.
They still have to pit for 5 minutes no matter how big the tank is.@@LastRoseStudios
There are many great ideas stated here by others. I definitely like the 1) maximum tank size. 2) Eliminate slowest (2 or other number) every hour. 3) Half hour "lunch break" halfway through race and switch directions when coming back. 4) Only 6cyl or only 8cyl. 5) Cheap bonus of $1500 +/- for fastest lap end of every hour (must not be eliminated though). 6) Viewer vote of favorite racer, winner gets $5000 +/- bonus (End of race)
Regardless of what this becomes, always going to watch and support ya Cleeter!
love these rules. but maybe split the pot and do 15 cars in a class divided across 6cyl and 8 cyl.
I like the idea of 'fastest lap'. But throw in this, the fastest lap can only be won once. The next hour it has to be someone else. If the same person was fastest in the second hour, they don't win. The second fastest would win. Third hour, the winners of the first and second are not eligible. Nor the third for the fourth hour, etc. It spreads the winnings around.
@@davidedgar3509This is a good option as well to add.
350z though
Check out the IMSA rule book. There are probably a lot of standardization rules they use to even up a field. Also, you should do classes just like IMSA to separate the V8s and V6s (maybe I6s as well). The difference in fuel consumption and obviously power is too great between those two engine types. Run a multi-class field where they all run at the same time.
Why not just host a 24 hours of Lemons race at the Freedom Factory? 🍋
That typo is gold.
@@sarinhighwindthat's not a typo. Check it out
Exactly what I thought
it's literally a real race... 24 hours of lemons@@sarinhighwind
Yes!
First off, turn that big ol field out front into a rallycross track. You ever seen a galaxie go offroading? It's magic!!
As to your issue with slow cars coming out to an endurance, teams have to qualify with a minimum average time and maintain it through the competition. Say a crown Vic averages a 21 sec time so then they can't sand bag. Gas has to be in a factory tank or specific size fuel cell.
Rallycross and barrel racing, Thunda needs to be put to work on dirt like any good ute.
Swear to god, ute barrel racing is the most entertaining thing I’ve seen in a long time
@@LCaddyStudios I need this in my life. I'll bring my g8
As a sports car & road racing official, I'd highly recommend the 5 minute minimum pit stop for the sake of safety. Also:
- Different classes for 4 cylinders/V6/V8 - Overall & class wins
-Mininum weight & displacement limits
- Saftey equipment being a must - (rollcage/firesuits/fire surpression maybe)
- 2 to 3 drivers per car, minimum of a 6 hour race. 3-5 for anything longer (12/24 hours)
- 1 Mandatory Pit stop at the halfway point (30-60 minute Halftime period)
- Time Penalties should anyone commit some argy-bargy
- Grid walk for the fans before the start of the race
- Driver autograph sessions for the fans during the weekend
- Maddy's Porsche could be used as the Saftey Car
- The winners recieves a memorial watch, for racing around the clock - Not quite a Rolex, but a step up above a Timex
Basically some of these iseas are in bigger series like IMSA, which just had the 12 Hours of Sebring thats not too far away from you.
Champ Car, SCCA, NASA, & the 24h Series have several examples of how it's done
Just some examples
Rip says, "Everyone needs sweet flashy light kits, cause that makes it extra cool to watch."
I kinda understand the toddler mindset on some stuff. 😂
If you're going to do lit cars make it a dusk-to-dawn race.
Paused the Flatbed video for this
Same
Rookies... I started the flatbed video 4 hours ago... Finished it just in time for this video
Same
I started it the moment it came out! Ended at exactly 1:40 PM EST for me 😅
Same
Anything you do will be epic ....you that guy that people love to watch...you n squirel with the towtruck swap had me in tears...😢
Kevin was the perfect guy to consult for so many reasons. Especially grey area rules. Lol
agreed jack stand too
Whatever you do, make it a 2 x 6 hour event (or similar) across two days - it'll massively help with streaming numbers and also help teams repair cars. Just from the nature of it, it'll be a process of elimination via attrition instead of actual racing.
On the pit stop side of things, FWIW, even at Nurburgring 24 hr they have pit stop minimum times in place for safety. So even at a pro level they do it. There's pretty big penalties in place for breaking that rule for that reason. Limit fuel tank size, mandate minimum pit stop times and make it so you have to take X amount of pits stops - this then forces some level of strategy. Have a max team size of say 4-5 people. Someone further down mentioned about Champcar Championship rules and I agree.
I think doing a reverse track would really throw everyone off, going right instead of left
If you do 1 hour heats, then you swap direction after each heat. To even the tire wear.
thats a great idea but you would have to change the pit entry and exit angle@@WillemWildusa
Puts drivers closer to the wall, not a fan of this idea
Reverse track would also eliminate 'dedicated' circle track stock cars from coming in and cleaning house.
There's a reason circle track races turn left: safety. It keeps the driver away from the wall.
Cleetus you always amaze us ... BUT 6 hour of fast racing would be great.
Dude I’m just glad you bought that track man I was eight and watching a figure 8 school bus race back in the day I’m 34 now grew up in Bradenton almost died in palmetto Florida woke up from a 59 day coma after a no seatbelt car crash on my way to Feld to paint monster trucks for monster jam my ex wife wanted to sign my dnr paperwork 8 days into my 59 day coma good thing she didn’t they needed CPR three times in my 59 days so yes I love seeing my hometown on RUclips I’m now handicap trying to relearn to walk and talk and I love that you guys are doing stuff strong hell yea brother
God bless brother.
@@RCinginSC thanks man every day I’m happy to wake up and start to relearn and try to remember what I had for dinner
honestly just make it a 4 door, v8 sedan/wagon race. If you have a vic, impala, towncar, buick, whatever. 4 doors, sedan, v8 motor, factory or dropped in, no turbos or superchargers, unless you want that and then all will have to have them (I would say all supercharged). 6 hours isnt enough. Maybe 8 or 12 hours. Their team also has to prove that it can pit the car successfully and without injury before you let them out on the track.
Maybe a year limit too like nothing newer than 1990? 2000? 2010? Haha or classes
A lot of smart rules will be required to prevent people from trying to be “smart” themselves but still leave room for interesting racing. Here are some I’ve seen in similar events.
1. Set a max size for the fuel tank(or max amount of fuel that can be put in the car) - that way pit stops will happen but will allow for strategy depending on how much your car burns instead of fixed pitstop every hour. Not everyone will rush to the pit simultaneously. Maybe also set total fuel for the whole race to keep faster & slower cars/driver closer to each other
2. 100% min pitstop time as you said. Even professional racing series do that in the name of safety (and budget)
3. To finish you must drive to the checkered flag. No banging super fast laps then breaking down/resting for hours.
4. Set max consecutive stints for a single driver. Average out the drivers in a team. No carrying to victory by one driver.
5. Set an average lap time for the race. Not sure how this will work. Hopefully no slow vehicles on track. Also maybe strategy to choose when to push.
From throwing turbo whistles on tailpipes to thinking 50k cash is a little bit of money 😂😂 I love it!
I like the idea from some other comments about eliminating the last spot at the end of every hour.
Make it the last 2, they fight for pole for 3-5 laps, call em last hope laps, whoever stays out front stays, the other gets the 1-555-YER-DONE tow job.
If someone else that's not bottom 2 is out front, then they're both eliminated.
Might get someone sandbagging for last to move up so have the one who gets to stay drop back to the back
IDK, gets complicated but sounds like a good time.
this would be funny af
First off congratulations on the new baby girl!! As a Father of 2 boys and 2 girls I can straight up tell you boys are way easier!! That being said I love the idea of an endurance race I'm not sure if it can be done if people sign a waiver or what? I say 30 RUclipsrs and 30 everyday folks names drawn from a raffle.. I'm telling you this would get the fans pumped up to be able to have a chance to get involved!! 🤷 Thanks Cleets for all the awesome content!! Your truly American patriot Mikey -Ray.🇺🇸
Switching from the kidney bean layout to just circle track every hour could make it interesting since people would have to ensure they are set up for right turns as well
...and swtich directions after every hourly pit stop.
@@johnfortman8553 wouldn't need an hourly pit stop if directions were changed since its pretty much only the outside front tire that wears.
You have to think about what would Smokey Yunick do to win? The guy was a master getting around the rules.
Probably the 3 biggest things you can do 1) have a set budget (like 8k aside from safety equipment) and 2) have a set engine horsepower (ex: 300 hp) and 3) an aftermarket fuel tank that holds 5 gallons. Having these in place should help with an even playing field. It'll give people room to add performance parts to their cars but anything over 300 hp gives you a 10 second late start from the back, so from 301 to 305 hp you get a 10 second late start from 306 to 310 20 seconds, 311 t0 315 30 seconds, anything over 315 is disqualified.
I think Smokey used to say "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't racin'".
It would take forever to dyno that many cars and you have no way of knowing how much someone spent on a car.
5 gallons they would be in the pit more than on the track
2:30 Cleet is a true American 🇺🇸 banning four cylinder cars LoL 😂❤
*Brings a 3 cylinder
Lol, hey man, i love my four banger one tire fire. But also enjoy my chevy v8s. If anything ban the fords. Jk
2:10 is the right timestamp for anybody confused.
*Brings a rotary* ...wait they got banned too.... for winning too much
@@gEtar87 hahaha 😂
What if you come at this from a different angle. Our local Dirt Track used to have a 2 times a year race called an Enduro. Its a "run what you brung" kind of race. Everything from 4 cylinder bangers to V8 monsters. If a car died or wrecked the race was stopped to clear the driver and the car was left on the track. For time, these were limited to 100 laps. The Freedom Factory is the same length track, 3/8th mile. If my math is right 500 miles is 1,334 laps, with an average of 60 mph per lap, that would be 8 hours of driving. I say let people bring what every car they want, do your 5 minute pits, and cap the car value at $1,500 saftey equiptment excluded. Stock engines only, only one set of tires. One more thing, get enough cars to fill the whole front stretch. More cars, more mayhem, more obsitcals.
10hr race, makes for a full day of laps being put down, 15-30min brake at hour 5 for vehicle/driver cool down (don't want any issues with health), plus that gives the track team to assess the track, field, cars, and most importantly laps! A race for endurance but also who is the fastest on track. Lap times should go into factor as well! Hopefully this helps! Love ya brother and may you figure this out so we all can enjoy!
I absolutely loved the first 24hr race at the FF. Having 30 of them out there for 6hrs will be pure hell! 😂😂
Get that guy to fly over the freedom 500 in that chinook!
...or land🤔
Just a thought🙏🏽
And the 2 F35's?
@@dukenukem7183yes dude!
one guy said 6 is to short. i agree, 6 is a little to short. maybe 8 or 10 hours. 8 is your typical work shift. 2 drivers can bang out 4 each. Would be able to do it during daylight or end right after sun set and have spectators out. 8 hours on a saturday can make for one hell of an event!!
Thing is, who has the time or even wants to sit and watch an 8 to 10-hour race?
Alright, hear me out. 12 hour race, 6 man pit crew max, 30 gallon fuel tank limit. 2 drivers per team, 8 hours max drive time per driver. 6 and 8 cylinder cars only. Final lap goes down Daytona 24h style (whoever crossed the line in 1st place after the time expires wins). Best part, Le Mans start, drivers run to their cars and start them. Would love to see this idea implemented, and best of luck Cleet
That's not a bad idea plus another race going backwards for 3-6 hrs with changing drivers only a certain amount of times
I like Daytona style
Some rules they run in other endurance races are that, say in a team of 2, each driver needs to do at least 1/3 of the time in the car, and there's no double stinting. Stops a really fast driver staying in the car for too long, but also makes sure drivers have a rest.
Great ideas but you need to have other events going on at the same time so people don’t get bored. Maybe a car show or some other festive activities. Burnout contest to kick it off maybe.
Nothing but Small block Chevys with a quad on it, 15 gal. fuel cell. LOL!
Dang I like this idea
You know that won't fly
305 chevy 318 mopar and 302 ford @@thomasward4505
I think you'll end up with a Grand Prix Grand Prix. A bunch of inexpensive 3800 cars that have a decent power to fuel economy ratio.
instantly what came to mind, the issue with "fast cars" is you have to weave in and out of a pack of slower cars. Making a lot of your performance pointless unless you can get around people easily. Then again how many people are gonna wanna run there Tesla or new vette with someone like the spectator drags blazer.
Creating a bonus for fastest lap per segment would push the sandbaggers. Maybe a tiered payout so if you win you get a bonus for each fastest lap you get.
Of the fast average over a portion time in each hour
Points system.
There needs to be a split pot.. make it worth it for more people to participate... top 3 get a prize of diminishing amount... 100k pot.. 50k to winner 35k 1st looser 15k to 2nd looser...the more people can win the more legit the action will be
My suggestions are the following:
Limit the size of fuel tanks in the cars
No scheduled pit stops, force them to be strategic
Don't ban cars on other grounds than safety
For a safe pit area: Have a minimum pit time and an extremely low speed limit in the hot pit. Less than 10mph. Also force them to use a safe refueling rig.
To even out the race field, you could set a limit on power to weight ratio. Also limit tire sizes.
For suggestions on power to weight ratio calculations, you could have a look at "SSK Klass 3" from Sweden, and just set a ratio you like. That series contains everything from a BMW M1 Sauber with a nascar engine, to a extremely tuned Volvo 240. And it's close racing. For endurance, bump those power numbers down a fair bit.
Also, to make sure there is safe racing: Either have the teams stop in the pit for penalties, or just deduct a number of laps. If unsafe driving costs 10 minutes in the box of shame, hopefully most drivers will behave.
You could use the buy it for $X,XXX rule. You set some limit of say $25,000 and, if you enter your car, any competitor can offer to buy it for that dollar amount. Keeps someone from entering anything too nice into the race, but still nice enough that it could get interesting.
I'd also recommend requiring real cages in all entered vehicles. Safety third...or something like that.
I think 12 hrs to make it an endurance race with 30 gal fuel cell or just adopt 24 hrs of lemons rules
Banning 4bangers is such a good strategy because now you really get into the thirsty cars.
Someone should bring a 3cyl just to cheat the system
V twin baby @@maxp2305
Where the Mazda boys at
a lot of miatas dont have a 4cyl including my own :P
@@maxp2305 *Yaris gr has entered the chat*
I think cars should be approved by you to race to make it fair, and so they fit the spirit of the competition.
This is why you're becoming so big on RUclips and so many fans awesome content great ideas keep coming
I feel like the racers should have skin in the game and something to loose you can make it 50k but make it a 100 dollar buy in or maybe more. I personally wouldn’t do an endurance race you basically already have that. I would do something more like a rally inspired race with the dirt and space out back and make it a set lap count with two mandatory pits done at drivers choice in time with the pit lasting 5 minutes atleast.
If you're worried about them driving slow to save fuel, maybe give bonus fractions of a lap if they hit a time? Like a sub-20 second lap counts as 1.1 laps, and a sub-19 counts as 1.25 laps, sub-18 1.5 laps, etc. Hit a certain number of bonus laps and you get to change tires?
24hrs of Lemons is the first thing that came to my mind.
What ever you come up with we will watch for sure. 👍🏻
No doubt
¤ Race for 55 minutes per hour
¤ 5 minute obligatory pit stop
¤ Driver change every 2nd pit stop
¤ No 4 cyl car, only v6 and v8, only NA (no turbo, supercharger, no gas or any power enhancers)
¤ No engine swaps, only stock engine in that car, otherwise you will get Miatas that are V6, v8 or even Rotary swapped
¤ To make it extra fun, only FF (Front wheel drive) cars, in inspiration of the Freedom Factory
¤ All of them must have the same tires that are bought on FF ground to make it fare for all cars.
¤ Most laps during a 6 hour sprint
¤ Minimum of two drivers per car
¤ A maximum of 6 people per team who shall handle both driving, pit stops and even all the repairs if any are needed, with there own tools
Just some ideas
And all of this can be scaled up if you decided to make the race longer then 6 hours.
I would do 12 hours, start at 9AM and fireworks at the end.
You could do a hp cap as well, have to fall in a range or you can’t run, that would make it so it’s more driver skill oriented
Power to weight range?
Folkrace ruleset with a value cap on the cars and that the winners has to sell of the car to the contestants through bidding after the race.
HP cap $50k race with 30 cars = 30 sneaky Pete kits on that track.
What about a V-8 Miata?
That would be allowed 😂
Here's an idea, 70s and 80s land yachts, but since they pretty much all have low compression V8s, every car gets an eBay turbo setup. Could do one big race or a few heats weeding them out for a final showdown. Stock suspension, maximum body roll.
Call it "The Cleetus McFarland Quarter-Day, Full Pay, 6 Hour, V8 Power, Pace Race" LOL!
6 hours invites people with fast street cars and race cars to join. I would recommend 12 hours, with 1.5hr pit windows. 1.5 hour windows will be long enough to prevent people from being able to go balls-to-the-wall in pure race cars, as GT cars (and most road race cars) will usually get around 1 hour per stint. 12 hours will dissuade people from taking their Porsches, McLarens or Lambo's on the track, as risk outweighs reward at that point.
Sunday, and he's working.
Tells ya something about how dedicated Garret is to making sure all those that depend on him, family, friends, co-workers and employees, have got the security needed in a modern workforce.
Good idea. But you want the rules something like K cars. But
Max 300bhp ( or something)
Cars under so much weight ( because lighter cars can carry more speed in the corners) which will make it more fun
A max budget of $5000
Certain tyre size ( to make it a bit more even)
Make it a go-cart race.
That's what I'd like to see. There'd be no shortage of entries. They could probably turn quicker lap times too.
@RCinginSC make a CC class limit. Would be awesome on that track . Pits would be a important part. Making it a entertaining part of the race !
@@moenglish6713 pit stops would be significantly safer with Karts instead of cars. And besides, almost anyone can buy or build a go-kart. Very easy to spec cc, fuel capacity , tire size etc.
Maybe one day cleet will build a dedicated go-kart track on site.
I race karts. CRG 125 Rotax max. There's just one problem.
The track is in bad condition. Karts need a flat surface because there's no SUSPENSION ON THE KART.
you will lose all your teeth , vertebrates, and ribs .
Not possible my friends
I mean, host a LeMons race. Those were wildly popular and the spirit of them seems right up the alley of what you’re trying to do.
Parking lot builds only; $1000 budget (minus safety equipment); minimum displacement 3.0L. Squirrel and Cleet could build one easy
I feel it would be cool to have "The 24hrs of Freedom." But definitely have the fuel rule like you said. But I would like to ask, ever thought about making a dirt track in that giant field?
I wonder if he has thought about that. Only issue is it gets 100% full of cars for parking for events. If they made a dirt track then fans would have no where to park
@@williammclaughlin2606 🤦🏻 hit me real quick I forgot. probably is for parking.
stock power train rule, don't limit engine size, limit it by factory rated HP like 220hp min 400 max or similar. have a "hard luck" prize for the one who seems to have the worst luck, but works their ass off to keep trying best they can. I like the change directions at the half way mark idea some one else suggested.
No matter what you end up doing ,,, I know we are going to LOVE watching it,. Hell yeah Brother
Go for it!!!! Maybe do 6 different drivers each doing a hundred laps.
Sounds sick but there has to be a ton of rules. Tire restriction, max fuel capacity, min weight etc
And maybe beef up your waiver 😂
You should do it with customized vehicles ie:
Go karts
Lawn mower
Power wheelers.
Side by sides
Golf carts.
people would die
@@TURBOTRISTO cleetus pretty good at making his events as safe as possible.
The transponders are mounted to the driver. Car change every hour. Arm wrestle for car seeding.
mighty car mods did an endurance race with a bunch of k-cars for 24 hrs and the way they did that race could be a reference for you how to set this up
k-car race would be awesome!
Lol like old Chrysler K cars!? Or the Japanese Kei cars?
I think the old Chrysler K cars would really level the playing field except you’d definitely need cages because those things wee made out of tinfoil.
I’m picturing the poor driver who doesn’t realize they have a AT&T fleet lean burn car wondering why won’t this wagon keep up? Lol my mom bought one for the mail route and we didn’t know it was a fleet car until we went to do the plugs on it. 🙄
30 cars, 12 hours, pit every hour, slowest two cars eliminated every hour until eight cars are left. Cars that fallout don't count as eliminated. Once a car breaks down they're out.
With breakdowns and crashes, you'll end up with 3 cars racing the last lap.... yawn.
What if the slowest cars that got eliminated have a chance to be put back in when a car can’t continue as in a breakdown or crash. Then whatever car that got eliminated, the fastest car goes back in.
As many others have alluded to, I think a couple of rules should involve:
1. Minimum weight
2. Max fuel capacity
3. Max tire size rule.
i would go HP and rpm to
Much agreed, something like a formula racecar. There are set criteria as to motor size, min.weight, fuel tank size, tire&wheel size max, drivetrain (rwd/fwd/awd), unlimited power adders but min/max engine size. Refine these rules to fit several makes in the category and see what happens.
how does tire size affect this? I'm not too familiar with racing
thats a good starting point honestly
Minimum lap time would get rid of slow economy boxes
Big block blower cars only. 6 gallon fuel cells. Just hearing 30 blown big blocks strategizing throttle whacks and coasting to maximize mileage would be pretty epic. As well as absolute chaos.
I think the key to this is having a qualification race/series first. Find tracks to partner with or something, get people doing a couple of hours of laps before the big race, and I think it will be way more competitive
6 hour Endurance
Field inverts after every pit stop/ caution.
No matter what lap you are on, you are always on the lead lap, so if the car in last gets lapped, he is now in second place
Here’s your winning idea. You give 6 hours, no rules, no limits. Once you pull on the track that’s it. You leave the track you’re done and however many laps you completed is your number. Most laps after 6 hours wins.
Very interesting, I like it...
Drag and Drive event! Drag race, 6 hour endurance race and anyone that can finish drag races again. First drag race sets starting order, second drag race is +1 laps for each place (like 1sr place is +10, second is +9) or something like that.
Brother, this is what you need. The Freedom Ford Festiva 500 (minutes). Small tanks. Small cars. Small engines just being absolutely thrashed at their limit to get as many laps as possible.
As a dirt track racer and flagman, i think 10 to 12 hours, rain or shine, no spots cars (Camaro Firebird etc), use a v6 or v8 common everyday family style vehicle, 2 door or 4 would be a fun show. But let everyone do 1 mod to a v8 car and 2 mods to their v6 car
If your looking at about 6 hours it would be worth looking at the Bathurst 1000 and GT3/GT4 Bathurst 12 hour races for some inspiration around the rules. The Bathurst 1000 is nearly a 161 sprint race now but that's after 70-80 years of learning how to make the cars go that fast for that far.
Edit: I think some of what the 12 hour did in 2023 is a good idea. Minimum pitstop lengths depending on what you need to do might help to make it safer for inexperienced pit crew and lessen the gap between pros and beginners in that area, eg. must stand still for so many seconds if you need to do tyres. Maybe no time restriction for fuel (so fuel saving can be an advantage) but for safety the car must be still while the fuel is being added and all fueling methods would need to be identical so no one can add more fuel quicker.
One wild thought, just set the race for 200 laps, whoever reaches that first wins. But have a minimum wage
The one thing about the prize is that $100,000 is much more likely to be picked up by algorithms. I think 6 hours might be too short, a good circle track team could go that long pretty easily lmao. On that note, ban circle track cars with the Miatas. A 12-24 hour race would allow for some more intensive pit repairs without fully taking you out of contention.
Gotta figure out how to get drivers that aren't just there to tear stuff up like usually happens in the other races. REALLY need driving penalties to keep a full field til the end.
I would run an 8 hour race as fans in attendance can sit through it, and people could have parties at their house for friends to watch the PPV (all very doable or just a party at the end of the race for the lightweights). Race would be 4 x 2 hour stages and each car would be allocated 20 gallons of E85 fuel to run each stage and cars which cannot make it into the pit after 1 hr 50 min without external assistance would be DQ'd. There would be a 10 minute mandatory pit at the end of each stage that can extend into the next stage for cars with repairs needed. Cars not able to return to the race within 10 minutes into the next stage would be DQ'd. Minimum displacement of 280 CI ,any format, any induction boosted or not. Could make it interesting and say no driver can compete in more than 1 or 2 stages (I would prefer no more than 1). I would not do the claiming race BS but I would do some leveling like only allow a certain tire brand and size down to the very specific diameter, profile and width, and make it something a street car would typically drive on. Similarly I would mandate a very specific shock absorber front and rear, like Monroe Matics normally put onto a Ford Excursion 4WD (these are the shocks with the greatest travel in the Monroe Matic brand and would be tough to adapt to a Mazda Miata or Porsche 911 Turbo Carerra. If you see someone who looks like they have the wrong shocks just make them buy a new set from you after tech but before the race and make them trade you, same with the tires, if you see some without the nubs from the mold on them make them buy a new set from you. This makes the rules easier because you only make sure they are not cheating on a few important things and all the rest is left to innovate with. You could do all the fueling as the cars come out of the pits to line up for each stage, limiting shenanigans on fuel. Don't allow the teams to bring in any fluids or containers with fluids into the pits either, make them get them from you. These are just some ideas to make the race easy to administer, interesting to us average Joes and Janes and reasonably priced to compete in for the race teams. Thanks for asking.
My first thought about the 5 min pit after an hour is it either must be required by all to stop or, you can skip the stop, but you cannot pit till the next scheduled stop. That would be a challenge. During the race, if it becomes apparent that most people are skipping stops and making it to the next stop, maybe adjust the “rules”.😂
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Sounds real fun. Defo would watch that. Make the slowest driver have a shot of lemon juice after each hour 😂😂
A maximum fuel-up amount cripples teams and evens the playing field. A lot of 24hr races do that, and it makes endurance racing very interesting. A car can have a 20 gallon cell but can only fill up 7 gallons every pit, stuff like that.
I think limiting the overall number of entrants to a sane number to keep the racing clean and safe and them using the drag strip as a qualifier is a brilliant idea. It keeps the action awesome because you're gonna need a big HP monster to qualify, but that doesn't always translate to a great circle track car, so things would be fun to watch.
I approve of the pit stop rules so far, and I would measure and limit every car refill to whatever size fuel tank it came with stock. I believe that should prove plenty sufficient for an hour or even two of running which should be interesting because with the way the pit stop rules are looking you could potentially have a lot of strategy with actually adding LESS fuel than the max to reduce weight but still try and make it to the end.
Tires- I think you should probably introduce some kind of limitations on the treadwear etc of the tires allowable.
American mussel cars only
I love the idea of this, your idea for a mandatory pit every hour with a set 5 min time is smart. From surfing comments and thinking about it a bit on my own I have this:
- Last place at the end of every hour during pit stop is eliminated, would prevent sandbagging.
- Fastest laps in each segment/after each pit stop would give a bonus to the team in someway, incentivizing teams to push to be the fastest.
- Fan Boost/Votes, fans can vote real-time to award their favorite team a temporary advantage, such as a shorter pit stop or something.
- Possibly set max/min weight limits on cars.
- Possibly set a time threshold so only laps completed under a certain time are counted, preventing sandbagging while encouraging speed & consistency.
- Possibly limit max fuel tank size
- Possibly limit amount of people on a driving team, e.g. 4 people.
The 5 minute pit rule is good. You could make it a everything allowed type event, like a group B rally. That would be awesome to see and it will never get old.
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Aussie V8 endurance have 12h race, 10 compulsory pit stops with mandated minimum time, driver time limits for stint and overall race, pit lane speed limits,
Minimum engine capacity would help even the field.
30 bone stock 1972ish VW super beatle. only add is Fuel cell (set size), role cage, seat, and harness. cheap, low power and short wheel base. perfect!
Great idea! Maybe shoot for 10-12hrs. You’d have a good mix of speed vs long game. Limit the fuel to 20 gallons. I like the idea of “stage brake” pit stops, maybe make it every 2hrs. Freeze the field so people aren’t rushed in the pits even with the time out. The 2hrs and 20gal tanks would bring some fuel management strategy into play. The 10-12hr endurance would test parts durability. Make it so you had to swap a driver every 2hrs. Then after 2 2hr stints (4hrs) the first driver could go back in. Keep rotating through the drivers. That would keep the drivers rested while only needing 3 drivers. Keeping the safety factor up. Limit it to v8s/v6s. Allow some boost on the v6s. That opens it up to 3800 supercharged/turbocharged applications. Just some spitballing off the top of my head.
Do a standard 8 hour work day race. You have to pit a minimum of once every hour for at least 5 minutes. Every pit is 5 minutes no matter how many you have done in that hour. After 4 hours everyone meets in the middle of the track for a 30 minute lunch break. Their crew can work on their car during that time. After the lunch break you switch directions on the track. Cars would be something you would commute in, daily drive or a work truck/van.
suggestions: Couples driver team only. Most laps with an efficiency multiplier. Slowest gets eliminated every 5 laps.
One race idea I have had since about the time you got the FF , Camaro-Mustang-Challenger. 2005-2020 people get copart hail damage cars or mild crashed .. you would want a a displacement cap so people don’t bring hellcats ,, it could even be a chance for use up the 6cyls .. now , you can get the cars more equal by giving the slower more tire ..
I definitely think that it shouldn't be just an oval race. Im sure you can add a few more turns in with the inner loop. Also maybe have separate classes. V-6 V-8 etc. Would have to break down the total price amount per class. That could be for the next race if this one turns out well. I think longer than 6 hours for sure, as many stated. Fuel tank size restrictions definitely, and maybe tire limit as well. Only allow each team x amount of tires.
I think you should do a 6 hour endurance.Riding lawn mower race At the freedom factory. It would be a true test of endurance!