I absolutely despise the "Kirby and Dark Matter are reincarnations of Void" thing cause it's so cursed and has buckets of evidence against it. A little cute puffball isnt the spawn of an incomprehensible cosmic being. Neither Kirby or Dark Matter are related to Void whatsoever. Void is nothing without influence, just a vlank purple ball with no face, and what form he takes depends on the energy gathered and who's it's coming from. In the Japanese version of Hyness' rant he states that his clan "worships the matter of darkness" that combined with his heart falling into darkness and insanity shows that Hyness wanted to reincarnate Void as a Dark Matter to destroy the universe. The Dark Matter looking face on Void is the darkness in him out there by Hyness, the Dark Hearts, and the corrupted Mage Sisters. Also director Kumazaki said in an interview that the multiple faces Void makes are the result of all the different minds in Hyness' own. That includes the 02 like angel face and the Dark Matter look. Kumazaki also says that once Hyness and the mages are spat out, Void begins to feel something having seen Kirby. The cocoon in phase two that Void was in was to keep him from being influenced anymore, it kept Hyness and the mages in other cocoons syphoning their energy and thoughts. Once Kirby broke open the cocoon, Void's true essence was prone to influence and he was influenced by Kirby as they fought. When Kirby goes back inside to fight his true form, he gains a Kirby like face because Kirby's influence on him caused an innocent soul to form. One that Kumazaki again says conflicts and fights against the darkness in him, that being the Dark Matter looking side. He's still mostly filled with darkness hence why the friend hearts damage him. The "what if" version of the fight in Sould Melter EX shows the innocent souls created by Kirby winning in the end after you defeat him, stomping out the darkness and transforming. In that same fight Void loses his attacks as the fight drags on as if the soul is holding the darkness back, eventually it only does three attacks in a loop until you kill him. The music in every version of his fight even conveys this battle, Void's own theme clashing with Kirby's signature Green Greens one. The sould formed by Kirby's influence is conflicting with the darkness that was made by Hyness. Yes some stuff in Kirby lore is vague but other things are so heavily implied that it's pretty obvious what's canon, you just have to connect the dots. The Dream, Heart, Soul, and Dark you speak of is referring to what Void is made up of at the time and again Kumazaki reiterates that in the interview. Dark is the only one that solely comes from Hyness and soul is the only one that comes from Kirby alone while everything else came from both him and Kirby's influence. From Kirby came peaceful dreams, a pure heart, and a kind soul. From Hyness came darkness, dreams of destruction, and a dark heart of hatred. That's why Void Soul's title is "Essence of Chaos" and it says he's filled with all possibilities or whatever it exactly says. Because he is chaotic he has both positivity and negativity put, every different emotion put into him. Who knows what he'll end up being in the end. I see no reason to believe Dream, Dark, Soul, and Heart are some "four matters of the Kirby universe" or whatever you're trying to theorize here as it is only ever spoken of and implied with Void and that's it for now anyway. You're heavily stretching that, its just talking about what Void is made of not some aspect of the universe. People like to say the Master Crown is related to Dark Matter just cause it's got one eye and it posseses things, but they aren't related. RTDLD gave more than enough proof that it's its own entity. Power corrupts and this is an artifact of LIMITLESS power. It's a whole allegory for how so much power can corrupt your soul, the Master Crown literally swallows your soul and sense of self. Taking over completely in exchange for this limitless power. It doesn't even posses things the same way Dark Matter does, Dark Matter flat out posseses you while the Master Crown slowly eats your soul and twists your body like it did to Magolor. Idk how exactly the Master Crown gained sentience but most of it not all of the Ancient's artifacts do. Look at Nova, Star Dream even though he's more robotic, the Lor Starcutter is also heavily implied to be sentient. Single eyes are just a symbol of evil in the Kirby universe, not that Dark Matter has to do with everything. Sectonia has eyes on her flower extensions, Star Dream has one prominent eye, Fecto Forgo's eyes are also heavily made prominent and focused on. Fecto Elfilis also isn't related to Void at all as some might try to say he is. He's his own entity, a mysterious alien from the depths of space. Fecto Forgo is 95% of himself while Elfilin is the last 5%, that's conveyed by their size difference and how Elfilin has absolutely zero control or effect on Fecto Elfilis when they're one. Fecto Forgo is always dominant and all Elfilin is is the tiniest bit of compassion Fecto Elfilis had deep deep down in his soul given form after the lab accident. Studying Fecto Elfilis' ability to create dimensional portals, which is an extremely rare power as we've only ever seen him and Galacta Knight do that, is what led the Ancients to create artifacts that could do the same, the Master Crown, Star Dream, and Lor Starcutter. Technically we've seen Parallel Nightmare make them too as he summons dimensional portals to bring in King D-Mind and Galacta Knight himself. Chaos Elfilis came to be from a mix of Soul Forgo, all the Beast Pack members he absorbed when becoming that giant sludge abomination in the main story, and Morpho Knight's own power which he absorbs after Kirby defeats him. Morpho Knight's power is demonstrated through Chaos Elfilis being able to create similar fire tornados, a giant ghost form of himself, and teleport. His second form is the very essence of his soul or rather souls that make up him at that point. It's why he's called "Species born of chaos" and why chaos is in his name, he's nothing more than a jumbled mess of Beast Pack Member souls and Morpho Knight's power allowing him to absorb them all mixed with Fecto Forgo's soul which at this point is nothing more than a little piece even smaller than Elfilin as we see after Kirby beats him. I think the essence of evil souls are the same across the multiverse (every dimension and all that) in Kirby canon which would explain why they constantly share similar attacks with other soul bosses. Just wanted to clarify a number of things that are often misinterpreted and pushed in Kirby lore.
It seems like the 4 matters are like, aspects of a normal mortal being. Soul to bring life, Darkness and Heart to bring positive and negative emotions, and Dream to bring sentience
Hmm from what I’m understanding: Heart: Good/Positivity Darkness: Evil/Negativity Soul: Conscience Dream: Unconscious There’s gotta be some sort of psychological theory at play here. I’m sure you could make a grid and place Kirby characters, beings, and constructs on it. Void possibly being at the very center of it.
@@GermanCricket13 None of those are "matters of the universe" or whatever. Void isn't at the very center of it, Dream, Dark, Soul, and Heart are just referring to what Void at the time of his fight was made of. Kirby's influence created an innocent soul within him, gave him peaceful dreams, and a kind heart. Hyness' influence gave him a dark heart of hatred, dreams of destruction, and pure darkness. All of these things conflicted with each other in Void.
you know this makes me think that the major ancient artifacts we have been seeing throughout the series aren't just tied to dark matter but seem to each have ties to a different form of matter possibly as a form of tempering them to keep dark matter in check with the master crown being made only with dark matter explaining its parasitic nature(also side note i think that eye we see in Magalor soul form is actually a new zero gestating in Magalors body) and the dimensional mirror being made with dark matter and most likely soul matter explaining the existence of mirror world counterparts as they would need soul matter to exist as their own individual entities and finally Galactic Novas being made with dark matter and dream matter or heart matter as granting wishes likely requires imagination for interpretation(side note perhaps Haltman didn't include dream or heart matter in star dreams design and this led to it being corrupt?)
@@spartan7375 The Master Crown wasn't made out of Dark Matter or with it nor were any matters used to make the other Ancient artifacts, this thing is stretched way far than it feels like what was intended
12:26 This further proves the connection between the Forgotten Land characters and Kirby's universe characters. There was a comment in another video I've seen that said every new character in Forgotten Land was a counterpart to the original character: Elfilin = Kirby Leongar = Dedede Clawroline = Meta Knight Awoofies = Waddle Dees (kinda obvious) This could also create a connection between Void Termina/Fecto Elfilis and Void/Chaos Elfilis. Not only this finishes the main characters/villains counterparting for Forgotten Land, but it could also be a bit more evidence towards the "Kirby is born from Void" theory; in this case, there's a parallel for how Elfilin was (albeit more directly) born out of Elfilis' good side. Not just that, but also when Chaos Elfilis was defeated the last benevolent part of it went to Elfilin much like how Void, after being defeated by Kirby, might've reincarnated as a different Kirby in another universe.
Putting it like that, I think you're definitely onto something with Forgotten Land's characters being counterparts! Especially the similarities between Void and Elfilis! I vaguely remember seeing some kind of text somewhere that mentions Void existing in all dimensions. In a way, that'd also be true going by the idea that Void and Elfilis are counterparts of each other!
@@magusnate Afaik that text was a minstranslation in Star Allies, the original said that Void travels through all dimensions, but since Elfilis has dimension warping powers it's still a point for the connection!
I think you are onto something. This kind of parallel theming is also present in kirby and the amazing mirror (funny enough kirby and the forgotten land also has a parallel naming convention to the amazing mirror). In amazing mirror it was just a lot more obvious.
I think you are onto something. This kind of parallel theming is also present in kirby and the amazing mirror (funny enough kirby and the forgotten land also has a parallel naming convention to the amazing mirror). In amazing mirror it was just a lot more obvious.
I personally think Chaos Elfilis' form has nothing to do with Void Termina directly. If you think about it, Chaos Elfilis in the post-game cannot be Elfilis Soul because it's not whole. It's missing Elfilin. Chaos Elfilis is Fecto Forgo forcibly holding itself together, sustained by the beast souls it consumed in the corridor fight and the chunk of power it stole from Morpho Knight during the events of Isolated Isles. Its called 'Chaos' Elfilis because it's current soul is currently utilizing multiple different sources to stay as Chaos Elfilis. It is similar to Void as it is another being of Chaos, but that's it. We're just seeing another creature in a Chaos state. I do think the whole Soul, Dark, Dreams and Heart thing will be a major plotpoint or at least referenced in the newest game.
@@sparkxii. Void is only chaotic because of the different possibilities mixed in him from both Kirby and Hyness' influences. Chaos Elfilis is because he's gone insane being a jumbled mess of Beast Pack members, Morpho Knight's power, and Fecto Forgo's own soul. It is complete, just not the right way.
If you want to talk a bit more about this,i remember there being an interesting discussion about it in a comment section. It was a video by houndlock the witherstorm. To search for it just type something like "chaos elfisis void termina". You should be able to find it. Some pretty interesting things were proposed. Like a lot more bosses and objects being heart and dream matter in the past,there being positive and negative versions of matters,and even a sorta type chart. Some things there were kind of a strech,but still an interesting read with some pretty good points.
A ton of things are a stretch, like even entertaining the idea that Fecto Elfilis is related to Void or that Kirby and Dark Matter came from Void which is all so not true and has tons of evidence against them.
@chrange9714 there are paralles between kirby and elfilin and elfilis and void,but that could be just thematic. Even if attacks referencing each other have always had a meaning. On the void thing? Come on. Some version of it has to be true. Weather it's kirby being another void born from positive emotions/heart matter/dream matter or whatever,since it exists in all dimensions,coming from void,or whatever other variation you want to say of it.
So the heart force representative is Kirby And the drink for representative is also Kirby and so is the soul force representative the reason is because there’s no one else who can serve the task the forces themselves would much prefer to have a single force typing representative for each force. However since that isn’t an option for them and Kirby is just so dang powerful and has so many forces in them of equal strength. He ends up being the representative because there’s no one else stronger in all three. Likely everything except the heart force he was born with the other stuff came from the transformation from the void soul form to Kirby. That transformation is what added that third trait and the third trait would be different if it was one of dark force instead of heart force but either way they both have equal amounts of soul force and Dreamforce. Add amount higher than anywhere else in perfect balance reality warping and raw desire in other words sentient magic.
Oh, there's only 3 paint/art sisters? (Drawcia, Paintra, Vividria) I was under the impression Claycia from Rainbow Curse was also part of the Art Sisters
They do have similar sounding names, but the Trivia section on Claycia's character section confirms she's unrelated to them. You can check here, if you'd like!: kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Claycia
I really need to update my info from star allies n possibly other games to better theorize. Just to add to the matters, I kinda assumed Kirby was always implied to be heart matter since it was implied that he was born from void too, same as dark matter. You know, that classic Kirby you unlock after beating the final difficulty, the pause screen wondering if it’ll be reborn as friend or foe (now I’m not sure if that’s wrong translation xd) and the fact that it smiles once you beat it. Not too sure about soul or dream matter tho. Closest I got is obviously soul bosses, and MAYBE nightmare for dream. Heck, the ancients feel more connected to these last 2 matters now that I think about. Iirc it was implied they created the star rod, can’t remember about other tools, but I wouldn’t put it past ‘em. So who knows, maybe when we get more on ancients, we’ll know more about the last 2 matters.
Besides the Star Rod, Magolor mentioned they created the Lor Starcutter and the Clockwork Stars (Galactic Nova and Star Dream). I'm not sure if they also made the Master Crown, but given that Star Allies implies the ancients were split between science and magic users, it's possible. But Soul and Dream Matter are the two we know the least about, so chances are they could explore it more later down the line!
I'll say you need to update your info from Star Allies cause Kirby isn't implied to be born from Void at ALL. Neither is Dark Matter, none of them are related to Void in the slightest. The classic Kirby you unlock after beating Astral Birth Void is one, completely non canon and two nothing but a cheeky little reward. The pause screen you're talking about is just entertaining the idea that Void could become a friend if reincarnated positively, not that it actually happened. There is no "four matters" or whatever the heck this guy is saying, those are all just what Void was made up of at the time of his fight. Soul came from Kirby, Dark came from Hyness, and the rest came from them both. From Hyness came darkness, a dark heart of hatred, dreams of destruction and from Kirby came peaceful dreams, a pure heart, and a kind soul. Hyness in the Japanese version of his big rant says that his clan "worships the matter of darkness." He wanted to reincarnate Void as a Dark Matter to destroy the universe. All the different faces Void makes the director says in an interview are from the many minds in Hyness' own. The Dark Matter looking face on Void is the darkness in him created by Hyness, the Kirby like face was only formed at phase four and was because of Kirby's own influence on Void. After he broke him out of the cocoon in phase two, Void was prone to being influenced. Once he saw Kirby he began to feel something, and soon a kind innocent soul was created in Void that conflicted with the darkness in him. That kind innocent soul was created by Kirby's influence. Void is still mostly darkness which's why the friend hearts hurt him. The Astral Birth Void fight is a "what if" scenario and at the end shows the kind soul overcoming the darkness and transforming, which is why Void smiles.
@@chrange9714 I understand. I interpreted it as four matters (or energy, I guess you could say) because of that other text saying Void's being depends on what energy they consist of. Or at least, that's what the concept seemed like to me. I was trying to put two and two together. Or at least, I thought I was. And a lot of others were also thinking that, from what I looked up. But if you know where that interview from Kumizami you mentioned is, I'd love to read it.
@@magusnate It was talking about the kind of energy put into Void at the time, but ones that contribute both positively and negatively. The interview I mentioned is called "Kirby Star Allies Vol. 4 The Ultimate Part 2" on a website called wordpress and was retranslated to be more accurate as it gets cited a lot in these types of discussions.
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I absolutely despise the "Kirby and Dark Matter are reincarnations of Void" thing cause it's so cursed and has buckets of evidence against it. A little cute puffball isnt the spawn of an incomprehensible cosmic being. Neither Kirby or Dark Matter are related to Void whatsoever. Void is nothing without influence, just a vlank purple ball with no face, and what form he takes depends on the energy gathered and who's it's coming from. In the Japanese version of Hyness' rant he states that his clan "worships the matter of darkness" that combined with his heart falling into darkness and insanity shows that Hyness wanted to reincarnate Void as a Dark Matter to destroy the universe. The Dark Matter looking face on Void is the darkness in him out there by Hyness, the Dark Hearts, and the corrupted Mage Sisters. Also director Kumazaki said in an interview that the multiple faces Void makes are the result of all the different minds in Hyness' own. That includes the 02 like angel face and the Dark Matter look. Kumazaki also says that once Hyness and the mages are spat out, Void begins to feel something having seen Kirby. The cocoon in phase two that Void was in was to keep him from being influenced anymore, it kept Hyness and the mages in other cocoons syphoning their energy and thoughts.
Once Kirby broke open the cocoon, Void's true essence was prone to influence and he was influenced by Kirby as they fought. When Kirby goes back inside to fight his true form, he gains a Kirby like face because Kirby's influence on him caused an innocent soul to form. One that Kumazaki again says conflicts and fights against the darkness in him, that being the Dark Matter looking side. He's still mostly filled with darkness hence why the friend hearts damage him. The "what if" version of the fight in Sould Melter EX shows the innocent souls created by Kirby winning in the end after you defeat him, stomping out the darkness and transforming. In that same fight Void loses his attacks as the fight drags on as if the soul is holding the darkness back, eventually it only does three attacks in a loop until you kill him. The music in every version of his fight even conveys this battle, Void's own theme clashing with Kirby's signature Green Greens one. The sould formed by Kirby's influence is conflicting with the darkness that was made by Hyness. Yes some stuff in Kirby lore is vague but other things are so heavily implied that it's pretty obvious what's canon, you just have to connect the dots.
The Dream, Heart, Soul, and Dark you speak of is referring to what Void is made up of at the time and again Kumazaki reiterates that in the interview. Dark is the only one that solely comes from Hyness and soul is the only one that comes from Kirby alone while everything else came from both him and Kirby's influence. From Kirby came peaceful dreams, a pure heart, and a kind soul. From Hyness came darkness, dreams of destruction, and a dark heart of hatred. That's why Void Soul's title is "Essence of Chaos" and it says he's filled with all possibilities or whatever it exactly says. Because he is chaotic he has both positivity and negativity put, every different emotion put into him. Who knows what he'll end up being in the end. I see no reason to believe Dream, Dark, Soul, and Heart are some "four matters of the Kirby universe" or whatever you're trying to theorize here as it is only ever spoken of and implied with Void and that's it for now anyway. You're heavily stretching that, its just talking about what Void is made of not some aspect of the universe. People like to say the Master Crown is related to Dark Matter just cause it's got one eye and it posseses things, but they aren't related. RTDLD gave more than enough proof that it's its own entity. Power corrupts and this is an artifact of LIMITLESS power. It's a whole allegory for how so much power can corrupt your soul, the Master Crown literally swallows your soul and sense of self. Taking over completely in exchange for this limitless power. It doesn't even posses things the same way Dark Matter does, Dark Matter flat out posseses you while the Master Crown slowly eats your soul and twists your body like it did to Magolor.
Idk how exactly the Master Crown gained sentience but most of it not all of the Ancient's artifacts do. Look at Nova, Star Dream even though he's more robotic, the Lor Starcutter is also heavily implied to be sentient. Single eyes are just a symbol of evil in the Kirby universe, not that Dark Matter has to do with everything. Sectonia has eyes on her flower extensions, Star Dream has one prominent eye, Fecto Forgo's eyes are also heavily made prominent and focused on. Fecto Elfilis also isn't related to Void at all as some might try to say he is. He's his own entity, a mysterious alien from the depths of space. Fecto Forgo is 95% of himself while Elfilin is the last 5%, that's conveyed by their size difference and how Elfilin has absolutely zero control or effect on Fecto Elfilis when they're one. Fecto Forgo is always dominant and all Elfilin is is the tiniest bit of compassion Fecto Elfilis had deep deep down in his soul given form after the lab accident. Studying Fecto Elfilis' ability to create dimensional portals, which is an extremely rare power as we've only ever seen him and Galacta Knight do that, is what led the Ancients to create artifacts that could do the same, the Master Crown, Star Dream, and Lor Starcutter. Technically we've seen Parallel Nightmare make them too as he summons dimensional portals to bring in King D-Mind and Galacta Knight himself. Chaos Elfilis came to be from a mix of Soul Forgo, all the Beast Pack members he absorbed when becoming that giant sludge abomination in the main story, and Morpho Knight's own power which he absorbs after Kirby defeats him.
Morpho Knight's power is demonstrated through Chaos Elfilis being able to create similar fire tornados, a giant ghost form of himself, and teleport. His second form is the very essence of his soul or rather souls that make up him at that point. It's why he's called "Species born of chaos" and why chaos is in his name, he's nothing more than a jumbled mess of Beast Pack Member souls and Morpho Knight's power allowing him to absorb them all mixed with Fecto Forgo's soul which at this point is nothing more than a little piece even smaller than Elfilin as we see after Kirby beats him. I think the essence of evil souls are the same across the multiverse (every dimension and all that) in Kirby canon which would explain why they constantly share similar attacks with other soul bosses. Just wanted to clarify a number of things that are often misinterpreted and pushed in Kirby lore.
So what I'm gathering is:
Heart: Positivity
Dark: Negativity
Soul: Life Force/Willpower/Raw Desire
Dream: Reality Warping
For the most part, yeah. Pretty good interpretation!
Woah, i absolutely love this description!
Wouldn't that also make Soul the Consistency of something? Since the video puts soul as an element to keep something from changing.
It seems like the 4 matters are like, aspects of a normal mortal being. Soul to bring life, Darkness and Heart to bring positive and negative emotions, and Dream to bring sentience
Hmm from what I’m understanding:
Heart: Good/Positivity
Darkness: Evil/Negativity
Soul: Conscience
Dream: Unconscious
There’s gotta be some sort of psychological theory at play here. I’m sure you could make a grid and place Kirby characters, beings, and constructs on it. Void possibly being at the very center of it.
Dream : Transcendance
@@GermanCricket13 None of those are "matters of the universe" or whatever. Void isn't at the very center of it, Dream, Dark, Soul, and Heart are just referring to what Void at the time of his fight was made of. Kirby's influence created an innocent soul within him, gave him peaceful dreams, and a kind heart. Hyness' influence gave him a dark heart of hatred, dreams of destruction, and pure darkness. All of these things conflicted with each other in Void.
you know this makes me think that the major ancient artifacts we have been seeing throughout the series aren't just tied to dark matter but seem to each have ties to a different form of matter possibly as a form of tempering them to keep dark matter in check with the master crown being made only with dark matter explaining its parasitic nature(also side note i think that eye we see in Magalor soul form is actually a new zero gestating in Magalors body) and the dimensional mirror being made with dark matter and most likely soul matter explaining the existence of mirror world counterparts as they would need soul matter to exist as their own individual entities and finally Galactic Novas being made with dark matter and dream matter or heart matter as granting wishes likely requires imagination for interpretation(side note perhaps Haltman didn't include dream or heart matter in star dreams design and this led to it being corrupt?)
@@spartan7375 The Master Crown wasn't made out of Dark Matter or with it nor were any matters used to make the other Ancient artifacts, this thing is stretched way far than it feels like what was intended
I love these Kirby games!
12:26 This further proves the connection between the Forgotten Land characters and Kirby's universe characters.
There was a comment in another video I've seen that said every new character in Forgotten Land was a counterpart to the original character:
Elfilin = Kirby
Leongar = Dedede
Clawroline = Meta Knight
Awoofies = Waddle Dees (kinda obvious)
This could also create a connection between Void Termina/Fecto Elfilis and Void/Chaos Elfilis.
Not only this finishes the main characters/villains counterparting for Forgotten Land, but it could also be a bit more evidence towards the "Kirby is born from Void" theory; in this case, there's a parallel for how Elfilin was (albeit more directly) born out of Elfilis' good side. Not just that, but also when Chaos Elfilis was defeated the last benevolent part of it went to Elfilin much like how Void, after being defeated by Kirby, might've reincarnated as a different Kirby in another universe.
Putting it like that, I think you're definitely onto something with Forgotten Land's characters being counterparts! Especially the similarities between Void and Elfilis!
I vaguely remember seeing some kind of text somewhere that mentions Void existing in all dimensions. In a way, that'd also be true going by the idea that Void and Elfilis are counterparts of each other!
@@magusnate Afaik that text was a minstranslation in Star Allies, the original said that Void travels through all dimensions, but since Elfilis has dimension warping powers it's still a point for the connection!
In kirby every universes/dimensions are parallel worlds
I think you are onto something. This kind of parallel theming is also present in kirby and the amazing mirror (funny enough kirby and the forgotten land also has a parallel naming convention to the amazing mirror).
In amazing mirror it was just a lot more obvious.
I think you are onto something. This kind of parallel theming is also present in kirby and the amazing mirror (funny enough kirby and the forgotten land also has a parallel naming convention to the amazing mirror).
In amazing mirror it was just a lot more obvious.
Makes sense to me
Ooohhhhh....
Great video!
I'm a sucker for kirby lore, so I love seeing new lore and theories pop up
Could we get a video about the inhabitants of dreamland and pop star?
I personally think Chaos Elfilis' form has nothing to do with Void Termina directly. If you think about it, Chaos Elfilis in the post-game cannot be Elfilis Soul because it's not whole. It's missing Elfilin. Chaos Elfilis is Fecto Forgo forcibly holding itself together, sustained by the beast souls it consumed in the corridor fight and the chunk of power it stole from Morpho Knight during the events of Isolated Isles. Its called 'Chaos' Elfilis because it's current soul is currently utilizing multiple different sources to stay as Chaos Elfilis. It is similar to Void as it is another being of Chaos, but that's it. We're just seeing another creature in a Chaos state.
I do think the whole Soul, Dark, Dreams and Heart thing will be a major plotpoint or at least referenced in the newest game.
@@sparkxii. Void is only chaotic because of the different possibilities mixed in him from both Kirby and Hyness' influences. Chaos Elfilis is because he's gone insane being a jumbled mess of Beast Pack members, Morpho Knight's power, and Fecto Forgo's own soul. It is complete, just not the right way.
The fact Galacta never canonically appeared yet likely canonically died still baffles me.
He has canonically appeared, Super Kirby Clash. He hasn't been killed at all yet.
If you want to talk a bit more about this,i remember there being an interesting discussion about it in a comment section.
It was a video by houndlock the witherstorm. To search for it just type something like "chaos elfisis void termina". You should be able to find it.
Some pretty interesting things were proposed.
Like a lot more bosses and objects being heart and dream matter in the past,there being positive and negative versions of matters,and even a sorta type chart.
Some things there were kind of a strech,but still an interesting read with some pretty good points.
That does sound pretty interesting. I'll definitely give it a check when I'm able to!
A ton of things are a stretch, like even entertaining the idea that Fecto Elfilis is related to Void or that Kirby and Dark Matter came from Void which is all so not true and has tons of evidence against them.
@chrange9714 there are paralles between kirby and elfilin and elfilis and void,but that could be just thematic.
Even if attacks referencing each other have always had a meaning.
On the void thing?
Come on. Some version of it has to be true. Weather it's kirby being another void born from positive emotions/heart matter/dream matter or whatever,since it exists in all dimensions,coming from void,or whatever other variation you want to say of it.
So the heart force representative is Kirby
And the drink for representative is also Kirby and so is the soul force representative the reason is because there’s no one else who can serve the task the forces themselves would much prefer to have a single force typing representative for each force. However since that isn’t an option for them and Kirby is just so dang powerful and has so many forces in them of equal strength. He ends up being the representative because there’s no one else stronger in all three. Likely everything except the heart force he was born with the other stuff came from the transformation from the void soul form to Kirby. That transformation is what added that third trait and the third trait would be different if it was one of dark force instead of heart force but either way they both have equal amounts of soul force and Dreamforce. Add amount higher than anywhere else in perfect balance reality warping and raw desire in other words sentient magic.
Here before the algoritm, good video!
Great to hear! Glad you enjoyed watching. 😁
Oh, there's only 3 paint/art sisters? (Drawcia, Paintra, Vividria)
I was under the impression Claycia from Rainbow Curse was also part of the Art Sisters
They do have similar sounding names, but the Trivia section on Claycia's character section confirms she's unrelated to them.
You can check here, if you'd like!: kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Claycia
This is kinda full of minor errors and speculation. The heart is in the right place tho.
It's supposed to be a speculation video. It's meant to just be some fun theorizing.
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I really need to update my info from star allies n possibly other games to better theorize. Just to add to the matters, I kinda assumed Kirby was always implied to be heart matter since it was implied that he was born from void too, same as dark matter. You know, that classic Kirby you unlock after beating the final difficulty, the pause screen wondering if it’ll be reborn as friend or foe (now I’m not sure if that’s wrong translation xd) and the fact that it smiles once you beat it. Not too sure about soul or dream matter tho. Closest I got is obviously soul bosses, and MAYBE nightmare for dream.
Heck, the ancients feel more connected to these last 2 matters now that I think about. Iirc it was implied they created the star rod, can’t remember about other tools, but I wouldn’t put it past ‘em. So who knows, maybe when we get more on ancients, we’ll know more about the last 2 matters.
Besides the Star Rod, Magolor mentioned they created the Lor Starcutter and the Clockwork Stars (Galactic Nova and Star Dream).
I'm not sure if they also made the Master Crown, but given that Star Allies implies the ancients were split between science and magic users, it's possible.
But Soul and Dream Matter are the two we know the least about, so chances are they could explore it more later down the line!
I'll say you need to update your info from Star Allies cause Kirby isn't implied to be born from Void at ALL. Neither is Dark Matter, none of them are related to Void in the slightest. The classic Kirby you unlock after beating Astral Birth Void is one, completely non canon and two nothing but a cheeky little reward. The pause screen you're talking about is just entertaining the idea that Void could become a friend if reincarnated positively, not that it actually happened. There is no "four matters" or whatever the heck this guy is saying, those are all just what Void was made up of at the time of his fight. Soul came from Kirby, Dark came from Hyness, and the rest came from them both. From Hyness came darkness, a dark heart of hatred, dreams of destruction and from Kirby came peaceful dreams, a pure heart, and a kind soul.
Hyness in the Japanese version of his big rant says that his clan "worships the matter of darkness." He wanted to reincarnate Void as a Dark Matter to destroy the universe. All the different faces Void makes the director says in an interview are from the many minds in Hyness' own. The Dark Matter looking face on Void is the darkness in him created by Hyness, the Kirby like face was only formed at phase four and was because of Kirby's own influence on Void. After he broke him out of the cocoon in phase two, Void was prone to being influenced. Once he saw Kirby he began to feel something, and soon a kind innocent soul was created in Void that conflicted with the darkness in him. That kind innocent soul was created by Kirby's influence. Void is still mostly darkness which's why the friend hearts hurt him. The Astral Birth Void fight is a "what if" scenario and at the end shows the kind soul overcoming the darkness and transforming, which is why Void smiles.
@@chrange9714 I understand. I interpreted it as four matters (or energy, I guess you could say) because of that other text saying Void's being depends on what energy they consist of. Or at least, that's what the concept seemed like to me. I was trying to put two and two together. Or at least, I thought I was. And a lot of others were also thinking that, from what I looked up.
But if you know where that interview from Kumizami you mentioned is, I'd love to read it.
@@magusnate It was talking about the kind of energy put into Void at the time, but ones that contribute both positively and negatively. The interview I mentioned is called "Kirby Star Allies Vol. 4 The Ultimate Part 2" on a website called wordpress and was retranslated to be more accurate as it gets cited a lot in these types of discussions.
Ah, gotcha. I'll definitely give that a look when I've got the time.