@@austinlittle5762 you can do it man~ keep praying~ I overcame it, its like your free from prison slavery. Just remember its not a small sin, God finds sexual immorality absolutely detestable. Porn is a huge weapon for satan and i get pissed that i fell for it for so long.
“What kind of king makes Himself nothing for His people? The Mighty one. What kind of king lets His people humiliate and beat Him until He is unrecognizable and is still able to hold His head high? The Merciful one. What kind of king hangs Himself on a cross for his people? The Righteous one. And because He has done this for us I will make my life a living sacrifice unto Him.” His name is above all others His name is JESUS!
I was abused all through childhood starting at age 3. I turned to drugs and alcohol and men. I became so depressed and suicidal. I self mutilated. I would watch myself cut and not want to be doing it. I was out of control and demonized. I saw dark figures my whole life and was tormented by them. I prayed and believed in God and was still experiencing a dark world. I was on max doses of antidepressants and antipsychotics. Therapists told me they couldnt help me and gave up on me. One day i cried out to God "why arent you protecting me!?" And an image of Jesus came to my mind. I had previously preached He was just a "good man" but called myself a "Christian". I knew in that moment Jesus was who He said He was. I accepted Him and asked Him to come into my heart and forgive me for all my sins which weighed my heart down. And i felt all the darkness leave. It was tangible. I felt love and light for the first time in my life. Its like you don't realize how dirty you were until you get clean. I wasnt depressed anymore. I stopped medication cold turkey without side effects (NOT RECOMMENDING). But my depression was spiritual and demonic. Jesus set me free from all of it. You cannot prove God and you cant disprove God. But you cant dismiss anyone's testimony or experiences. People need to experience the Living God and they have to want to. Its sad that people grow up in the church with religion and not relationship and it's not demonstrated to them. I hear God speak to my heart and in many other ways. But i had to learn how to recognize his voice. We need to teach others how to do it and demonstrate His power because He lives in us. I've experienced healing and deliverance and seen other experience it through prayers. I have a good marriage, 3 beautiful children, and I am well. Life is not easy by any means but I have The Comforter and His Word and it carries me through. And like a wall that needs maintenance, in continuously growing and getting healthy. Without Jesus, I was dying spiritually and physically. With Him, I am living, healing, and loving and experiencing love on deeper levels. There's nothing that can fulfill us like Him. You'll be lonely and empty even surrounded by people if youre without Him. We get to choose Him. If you find yourself angry with me and my testimony its because there are spirits in you that are being stirred up that are hostile to the Truth and it contradicts what you believe to be true and that's uncomfortable. You cant be too smart/intelligent to believe in God. That's a spirit of pride. Let eyes be opened here, ears be opened and hearts softened. Matt and Ray be blessed in name of Jesus.
My genetics professor once stated to our class of pre-med students "There is no such thing as PROOF in science." Having based my entire education on science, I was stunned by this statement. He went on to explain. "Because there are an infinite number of facts relative to any situation, no matter how much information we have some of the facts will be missing. This means that the scientific method will produce erroneous results. Good and usable laws, but never complete proof." After contemplating this statement, I realized that both science and Christian beliefs are based on FAITH. Later, as I began to observe the ineffable level of complexity and organization of both the universe AND even the sub-atomic structure of physics (which BTW fully contradict the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics) ... I concluded that there must be an intelligent Creator Beyond Time & Space. It physiological to believe that sophisticated organization can come out of Chaos. I admit, I can't PROVE God to you. But I'm confident you will concur that you can't DISPROVE God to me either. PROOF is impossible with man. For we are not infinite, and cannot know all the facts. Yet we can conceive of infinity, and perceive the impossibility of ORDER from CHAOS. Choose wisely where to put your FAITH. I believe it DICTATES your eternity. Trust in Jesus. Last Comment. Dr. Chuck Missler is a genius, literally, and if anyone can provide you with an overwhelming willmeng abundance of scientific EVIDENCE that God exists, and that Jesus Christ is who the Bible says he is, it is him. I am confident that the scientific and logistical evidence he provides you will pierce, if not shatter your Atheism. Much love and respect, and I mean that sincerely. For I believe Jesus died FOR YOU, hence you have significant value.
Good post I enjoyed it. I always really liked when Ray spoke of intelligent design. Like how mankind can’t create a grain of sand yet it is also infinitely more complex than anything mankind has ever created, yet if we see what mankind has created we do not doubt that there was an intelligence behind the design. It had a creator.
jordan hess I agree, I stated in my comment exactly the same thing, then I read your comment and others which agree with us. Matt has a prideful and arrogant attitude. I pray he will get saved.
2 Timothy 3:6,7: "For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden down with sins, led away with diverse lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
@@deemarie9945 Nah, Ray talks a lot about how no one can save themselves with their own goodness (aka "flapping your arms while falling from a plane"). It's literally what he says to every person he ever witnesses to: "Don't trust your own goodness, trust Jesus". He says that he himself is a wretched sinner in need of a Saviour, and that he does good in gratitude towards God for what God did for him, not what he did for God. I don't see how that is a work-based theology. Are you saved, Dee Marie? There's no plank in your eye? Can you see? Have you built upon rock or sand, as in: do you do what you have heard by Jesus? Who are you a slave to? What fruit do you produce? You judge Ray on these points in saying he's not saved, and I'm curious if you who judge is without fruit yourself. But I don't know you. God sees your heart, Dee Marie. The Devil is a better theologian than any of us, including you, and yet he's still a devil. What, therefore, can the difference between a saved man and a devil be? Jesus says: Who he serves, who he is a child of, what kind of fruit he produces, if his house stands firm in a storm or if he falls. Praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Almighty God, the Father, our God forever, amen. Peace.
Before coming to Christ by faith I was an intellectual atheist and no born again Christian will get across me because I will ask them questions that will question their own faith.
It's important to us that he posted something where he didn't do so well. It's dishonest to pretend it always works out in dialogue. This is where it gets strange for believers. They interpret any resistance as an attack. It's OK! to be wrecked in an argument. Part of rational engagement. Everything is gonna be aight. Chill.
Ray: "Were you married?" Matt: "Yes." Ray: "Could you be wrong about that? Matt: "No... now let me clarify. That's not the same as asserting absolute certainty. I'm doing it within the context of knowledge within the world." Ray: "Well that's what I'm doing." LOL. Shots fired. (58:40)
What Matt was trying to say is that “if the world is real and we do exist then yes I was” if that’s what ray is doing then that means ray is saying “if God exists and he created the universe and died for us then I know him” I’m not trying to shame you or anything like that just explaining what he meant 😊
Absolute certainty based on what, logic? That just a bunch of Neurons and chemicals firing off. If your reasoning which is immaterial isn’t grounded but you use it to ground other things than you’re an idiot. Too severe? By what subjective standard? 🤣
Not surprising, I just found this guy's channel today and after 2 videos, I can already tell how manipulative and dishonest he is, he doesn't care about truth or having productive conversations, he just wants to be right
I try to remain objective and remember how I thought when I believed. I think Mr. Comfort is probably a helluva guy and I don't mean to come off like a jerk. Editing a debate...? I dunno man..
@@fezzinnit I think you can find it at modern day debate. I know Matt has it on his channel. Watch it in its entirety and you'll see how ridiculously edited this is.
What exactly is your question? Just because my kids will sin doesn't mean that I don't want them to live. If they live with Jesus they will have a great life while walking with Him.
That is the same way the Lord is with his children God loves everyone but hates sin and no what you do if you are a child of God then you can ask for forgiveness and as a good parent he just to give us of our sins
@@raymondthomason9761 lol, is that why God sends his children to be anagonizingly torchered for all eternity? Is it gods plan to premeditate the burning in eternal hell fire for all eternity of his children, even though none of his children are able to comprehend his plan and could have created a world in which no eternal torcher occurs? Sounds like an immoral god not worth worship even if he existed.
Nick Boismenu People go to hell because of their sin, God is a God of justice, He can’t let sin go unpunished, it’s not fair if God let’s murderers and rapists go to heaven just because, and it’s not fair if He let’s us go to heaven even though we’ve sinned against Him, we’ve all lied, stolen, blasphemed Him name, disobeyed our parents, etc. and Heaven is a completely pure place where no sin is allowed, but God didn’t want us to go to hell, so He sent His Son down to earth to die for all our sins, so we don’t have to go to hell where we deserve to go, but we can accept that free gift by repenting, turning away from our sin and trusting in Jesus Christ who died for us. It’s our choice to choose Jesus or to go our own way that leads to destruction
@@sladegrey9272 “100%” “Score them a win” Are you sure it’s 100% because what can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence! Also It’s really not about winning as theists are genuinely concerned and worried about the attempt to ground morality/values in the materialistic paradigm. It just can’t be done and has the potential to do harm as it is a contradiction in terms. You can’t ground the qualitative subjective experience of reality such as morals and ethics in the quantitative language of science or to be more specific the materialistic paradigm it just becomes utilitarianism rebranded and we don’t want Peter Singer taking us down that road again. It would be without meaning and you would reach an absurdity like the logical positivists did when they attempted to refute metaphysical concepts as it ironically undermined important aspects of science itself. Religious rituals, customs and traditions can come across as strange and weird but the rituals and language are not that dissimilar to Buddhism in their mystical nature but Buddhism is considered quite fashionable and cool for the secular traveller. One hundred thousand Christians are still dying every year because of religious persecution due to hateful propaganda. You only have to look at all the atheist regimes such as the Congo for evidence. Equally, Literally tens of millions of lives were lost in places like Russia due to Stalin’s anti religious policies. The secular world seems to be completely oblivious.
@@georgedoyle7971 If the abrahamic god existed he would be possible to demonstrate outside reference to the biblical texts. Because there is no evidence for the Christian god outside biblical text, it is reasonable to conclude that the Christian god only exists as a concept in the Bible. Therefore, Christianity isn’t belief in god it is belief in the Bible.
"But without Faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God Must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who Diligently seek Him". Heb.11:6
@@DruzaCardonikc so true, and there's liars coming out of the woodwork from every direction imaginable in our existence... Who to believe? That is why it is contingent upon each and every person to simply seek God for self. His promise is that as you seek him, you will find him. From a person that simply wants salvation, willing to acknowledge who he is, he will no longer hide from you friend, and you don't have to worry about the liars. I have found this out for myself, he does reveal himself in a tangible way if you're just willing to turn away from sin, and receive him as Lord.
@@DruzaCardonikc ...Faith is the substance of things Hoped for, the evidence of things not Seen, Heb.1:1 Btw, How many lies have you told?...1-10 or many? Whats that make you? ...a liar! Were do liars end up?...in the Lake of fire, Rev.21:8 so whats the benefit of a liar when his time is up? ...None "For what shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul", Mark 8:36.
@@deemarie9945That just isn't right. Works do not save a person and Ray does not teach salvation by them. Only Jesus does that. Repentance is what Jesus taught and is not a work. It is not a good work to try and earn the salvation. We do good works because we are saved. Not to become saved. If we have not good works, we need to ask if we were really saved to start with. Repentance (changing mind to turn away from sin) is not a work anymore than believing is a work. Repentance is what allows a person to get close to the blood of Jesus because before, sin was pushing it away. Baptism is how we actually access that blood and through repentance, Jesus can blot out our sin because we are not constantly doing the devil's work, but his. Repentance is what allows us to stop the devil's deeds. Jesus said sinners are of their father, the devil. His offspring cannot go on sinning because they have God's seed.
@@deemarie9945 what is it specifically that you believe Ray is wrong about? (I dont have time right not to watch the video) If you could let me know I'd be grateful. God bless
Mike, at first pass, your reasoning is true. However the Bible, as God’s word, has no higher authority to reference. So it had to reference itself. Occasionally you run across similar things, “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal...”. ‘Self evident’ is circular reference. The Bible was written over a 1500 year period by 30+ authors. Detail study (not Hollywood impressions, or knuckleheadpedia) reveals a consistency of message and logic and meshing unmatched in human works. A common error is reading from a human viewpoint, not God’s. Regards CC
@@danbenson7587 but the Bible is, in fact, inconsistent and steals from other works And religions that predate it. And saying that the bible is true because the bible says that the bible is true is not an argument for the claim that the God of the bible is real.
@@sdizzy4135 Yes. It's a big reason why I'm an atheist after many years of being Christian. I was finally curious enough to actually read it and found much of it laughable. This was followed by embarrassment of ever having followed such ridiculous crap.
Hey Ray. I’m probably the only moderator on Modern-Day Debate who was on your side. I’ve followed you for a few years and I’m glad you handled his anger as well as you have with others. I remember the chat constantly saying “ show me proof” or hurr durr “sky daddy”. I like bring Aquinas 5 proofs of good. It shuts them up oh so quickly.... until the next religious debates. Planting a seed, even in the dry desert, can produce beautiful flowers. I won’t stop watering the seeds my brothers such as you have planted. Great showing Ray.
@@LivingWaters I haven't watched the entire debate or q&A yet but the part where matt wants you to prove or describe your relationship with God and how do you know for sure would be to explain how the Holy Spirit changes us from the inside out and takes away our sinful desires and replaces them with a thirst for righteousness and what is good! We know that God is real because of our own changed hearts and lives! like you always say it's our own personal miracle and it can't be explained to an unbeliever!! God will reveal himself to all who have a humble heart and ask the Lord to come and change them
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' "Well," says one, "I quarrel with the Bible." Do you? The only real argument against the Bible is an unholy life. When a man argues against the word of God, follow him home, and see if you cannot discover the reason of his enmity to the word of the lord. It lies in some form of sin. ' - C.H. Spurgeon
Absolutely awesome quote. And I believe it's also another reason why professing Christians don't witness to others. Their lifestyle prevents it. How am I going to tell someone that their sin will send them to hell if I'm doing the same things I'm bringing up to this potential convert? So much the same as quarreling with the Bible, quarreling with evangelism fits the quote as well. Good stuff brother. Thank you.
@Dee Marie repentance means change of mind. You will stumble at times but you should change into a more Christlike behaviour. Paul says to walk as he walked. James says faith without works is dead. You are preaching the hyper grace gospel, which is another gospel. God bless you.
@@garyg7549 I believe another reason people don't talk about the gospel is lack of genuine salvation, when we are saved we have the gift of the holy spirit and with our obediance God will equip up and give us boldness and security to speak the gospel
I know, it was cringey watching Ray as it only took 83 minutes for him to finally break down and admit he doesn’t think he can be wrong, and that he doesn’t actually have to prove anything, that he doesn’t have to show any evidence for his claims. That is called dishonesty. That is pathetic.
Yes, that's right. Because circularity is the reality no one can escape. All frameworks ultimately refer back to themselves, you see. That would be Goeddel's incompleteness theorem.
@@devjono Jesus said what I quoted and Abraham was before the time of Jonah. Jesus was responding to the scribes and Pharisees who asked him for a sign. Abraham is a model of faith as he was counted righteous because of his faith and God's laws are written on his heart. Abraham is certainly not wicked. But the context what Jesus is saying follows a biblical timeline. Read the entire text to understand the meaning. Imagine meeting the Son Of God in person and asking him for a sign? I mean to me isn't the sign is RIGHT IN FRONT YOU , Imagine how hurt Jesus felt at the time being asked for a sign. biblehub.com/bsb/matthew/12.htm
@@TheAgentAssassin let me ask this. Is God the same today and tomorrow? So one generation who asked for a sign was ok but then another generation its wrong to ask for a signs? And Jesus's brother didnt believe him and yet he still recieved a sign as Jesus said - 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. So they still recieved a sign. Just not their signs they were demanding him to do. Ive asked for signs and God has given them and gave signs/dreams I didnt ask for. What was the context to this verse? Cause we see Earlier Jesus healed someone infront of the Pharisees. Luke 5: 17-39 Was Jesus maybe miffed cause he had given them more than enough signs?
It must be a very sad life this man lives. Not wanting to accept Christ or his Word must be a miserable thing. God bless everyone reading this ; in Jesus Christ’s name!
@@JR-nv4pe 2 Timothy 3 Sounds familiar to those who deny the elephant in the room... What is moral. *"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."*
It's abundantly clear that this man is very angry, and unhappy. Peace only comes to those that have faith in Christ. I know this first hand. I was a drug addict for 30 years, and I was constantly trying to find happiness, and contentment. I only found it when I gave my life to Christ.
Ray. The next time someone uses a “convince me” argument use this rebuttal: ask if they know Hank Aaron or Babe Ruth. Most people have heard of them. Ask them if they know that they hit over 700 home runs. They will say that they know that they both hit over 700 home runs. Then ask them how they were convinced? They will probably reply that they read it in record books or some other publication. Than ask them if they actually saw with their own eyes all 700 plus home runs? No one alive today has seen in person all of their home runs actually in person They were convinced by someone writing down a statistic to prove that it happened. No one has seen with their own eyes every home rum by every player who ever lived. But we believe the stats because it is written in a paper or a book or elsewhere. The people who lived in biblical times who saw what Jesus did or said wrote down their experiences yet most will say “ I’m not convinced, I need to see it”. People will have faith in something some so menial yet when it comes to their life and salvation people need to “see it”.
Tony C I hate when Matt already says that Devine or supernatural claims require incredible amounts of evidence. Well when compared to other people in history, the evidence for Jesus Christ, his life, crucifixion and resurrection is unbelievable! It’s a historical jackpot how early everything’s been written on top of how much was written on top of non believers who also wrote about Jesus, on top of James and Paul who had no reason to start believing in Jesus without a resurrection! There is no way the bible isn’t true and all anyone has to do is take a little time and look at the evidence. How would Matt reconcile the fact that Isaiah was written some 500 BC and writes about a messiah born of a virgin and then it happens. Or King Cyrus! There are non biblical contemporaries who wrote about Jesus claiming to be the Son of God and being crucified for same as well as having followers who claimed he did miracles and that he rose again! I feel so sorry for Matt!
erm, you can write down scores of games you personally watch. That's not a big deal. Apart from in the bible, when has anyone ever written down miracles from God?
That is a good argument. And another is this, if their is a design then there is a Designer. Out of nothing, nothing comes( DR. RC SPROUL, DR. ERWIN LUTZER)
@@eazyrat Very bad... Parting the red sea and thousands more, people being healed from blindness. Etc. Eyewitnesses, even the Pharisees attested in Jesus Christ, they held a tribunal to execute him. You didn't think that one through did you?
Matt is wearing different color shirts, the video is pieced together from multiple debates. That is not the only video where Ray misrepresents debates to make others look like they are behaving irrationally, only for not believing in this religion out of the thousands that exist here.
“Ray misrepresents debates” “Only for not believing in this religion” The only person who is a master of misrepresentation here is Matt Dilahunty. He’s famous for using rhetoric, ambiguity, cheap shots and his great memory to misrepresent and demonise moderate religious believers and his opponents during debates. “Only for not believing in” atheism and for believing instead in the value and validity of freedom of religious expression. Selling certainty to materialists and atheists by promoting religious stereotypes is a precious commodity and Matt makes a six figure sum running this divisive cynical business. He even presents an atheist TV show that indirectly promotes intolerance, bigotry and ignorance. Even atheists can’t bear to watch or stomach his programs. Atheism is supposed to be just an harmless “non belief” in God or gods but it has clearly evolved into a highly sophisticated, propagandised, dogmatic, ideological quasi religion. And it’s absolute claims to “truth” whilst ironic are an obvious threat to freedom of religious expression without being demonised including a threat to our basic human rights. (Ray) “You do know it’s wrong to lie don’t you” (Two second pause) (Matt) “I don’t know that it’s always wrong to lie. I know that it’s situationally wrong to lie. For example if Anne Franks up in my attic and the Nazis come knocking on my door to ask me if there’s any Jews in my attic I’m going to lie. I’m going to lie and say no. Would you agree that’s a good thing.“ ? (No pause) (Ray) “Genesis says that the midwives were smiled upon by God because they lied to Pharaoh about the children who were being born because they didn’t want to commit murder. I’d hide Anne Frank also so I’m with you there.” Ray didn’t hesitate for a second here and Matts expression was priceless. Ray responded brilliantly to Matts cynical, opportunistic and dishonest use of the horrific experiences of a child in the Nazi death camps. It was an appalling rhetorical question and appeal to emotion “would you agree that’s a good thing”. ? Nevertheless, this was like water off a ducks back to Ray as he’s come across this kind of pretence, rhetoric and feigned compassion and empathy to score points before. Matts followers who are addicted to engaging in this kind of sophistry, arrogance and intellectual blood sports normally flood the comments section at this point with hateful comments and claims that Matt won. Even if Matt did win using cheap shots, sophistry and the tragic suffering and death of a child what exactly did he win. ? What’s sad is that Matt is actually trying to undermine the only thing that helped Anne Frank cope with the evil Nazi death camps. Her belief in the qualitative subjective experience of reality such as love, altruism, bravery, beauty, morals, ethics, meaning and purpose, that is the belief in the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness/the human spirit/theism/the prime mover/. This was the only hope and consolation that Anne Frank had left. The belief in “that of which nothing greater can be conceived.” (Love) (Anselmo d'Aosta). These heart rending quotes from Anne Frank speak volumes regarding her faith and respect for other people’s metaphysical beliefs and her belief that there is goodness love and a divine spark in all of us what ever our religion...... “Everyone has inside of him a piece of good news. The good news is that you don’t know how great you can be! How much you can love! What you can accomplish! And what your potential is!” (Anne Frank). “The best remedy for those who are frightened, lonely or unhappy is to go outside, somewhere they can be alone, alone with the sky, nature and God. For then and only then can you feel that everything is as it should be and that God wants people to be happy amid nature's beauty and simplicity, As long as this exists, and that should be forever, I know that there will be solace for every sorrow, whatever the circumstances. I firmly believe that nature can bring comfort to all who suffer.” (Anne Frank). “People who have a religion should be glad, for not everyone has the gift of believing in heavenly things. You don't necessarily even have to be afraid of punishment after death; purgatory, hell, and heaven are things that a lot of people can't accept, but still a religion, it doesn't matter which, keeps a person on the right path. It isn't the fear of God but the upholding of one's own honor and conscience. How noble and good everyone could be if, every evening before falling asleep, they were to recall to their minds the events of the while day and consider exactly what has been good and bad. Then, without realizing it you try to improve yourself at the start of each new day; of course, you achieve quite a lot in the course of time. Anyone can do this, it costs nothing and is certainly very helpful. Whoever doesn't know it must learn and find by experience that: "A quiet conscience makes one strong.” (Anne Frank). “It’s difficult in times like these: ideals, dreams and cherished hopes rise within us, only to be crushed by grim reality. It’s a wonder I haven’t abandoned all my ideals, they seem so absurd and impractical. Yet I cling to them because I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart. What is done cannot be undone, but one can prevent it happening again. I don’t think of all the misery but of the beauty that still remains.” “Whoever is happy will make others happy too.“ “I don't think you can really put it into words. Love is understanding someone, caring for him, sharing his joys and sorrows.” (Anne Frank The Diary of a Young Girl). And people like Matt Dilahunty have the arrogance to claim that angels have never existed ❤️
why do athiest waste their lives debating Christians if there is no God? The Christian is trying to save yall from hell. What yall trying to do? Save insane people? But doesnt that make u also insane?
@@deemarie9945 You didn't hear Ray Comfort talk about Grace to Matt Dilahunty? 🤔 I do recall Ray saying that it is a free gift and not of works. I guess you missed it. Your version could be boiled down to Rick Warren. Ray shows that the sinner is lost without Jesus with the 10 Commandments. BTW, Ray was also showing the Gospel, again, to Matt. Jesus Christ is salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9
@@chrisworthman3191 Says that I'm not a fool. Jesus Christ was God in Flesh.. Immanuel (God with us). Your basis of your post is antagonistic to God, I'd figure that you're just an antagonistic person... A fool that says there is no God. Also, whatever it is that you hold as your god.. Pride in yourself, pornography, some cultural personality, etc., you worship, that is your god. Let's just say that if you think that all living came from a rock, you're a fool.
@@mahlatsimoroka1500 I was a porn addict too for a very long time and I am a woman too. I struggled for a very long time. It´s different for anyone but if you need help feel free to ask. For me it was a spiritual warfare.
Matt Dillahunty was doing his best to cover up the fact that he wants there to be no God not that there is no God! You can see how uncomfortable he was!
@p v - Your long rant is based on ignorance! 1st God is the Author of all life and He alone can take any life whenever it pleases Him! 2nd God is not punishing the children FOR the sin of the parents but because the parents sinned they were judged and they brought their own children into it. It is like a woman on crack bring her Kim's to a drug dealers house and their is gunshots and the children die, whose fault is it? The Mom's! 3 Adam's sin is not what we are judged for! We are judged for the sins we commit! Let me see if I can help you understand this. If a father is a drunkard most of the time He will raise children who are drunkards as well. Why? Because that is the behavior the parent modeled for them. The parents taught their children to drink and they followed their parents example. 4. Are you pro-choice? Please answer so we can see your hypocrisy!
@p v - The God you reject will one day call your name and you will come before His judgment seat. The books will be opened and you will be judge according to your works. Since you are a Christ rejector you will suffer an eternity in Hell-Fire unless you repent and receive the LORD Jesus Christ as your Savior and your God!
p v - You struggled didn’t you? You are like Matt. You hate God so much that you ignore what was said and just want to argue! If God does not exist what are you ranting about? Your own hatred proves the existence of God! Do you rant about there being no Santa Clause, no! Why? Because he doesn’t exist! But God keeps you up late at night ranting on RUclips! If a man drives a get away car to a bank robbery and never gets out of the car yet one of his “friends” shoots a person in the bank is he charged with murder as well? Yes! If the Mom had not taken her child to a violent place they would not have been harmed! The parents put the children in harms way by their disobedience. For example if you have children you are teaching them to hate God! As a result of you teaching them to hate God most likely, tragically, they will! You will be the cause of their judgement one day! You are pro-life and against a woman’s right to choose, yeah right!
"To say that I'm wrong about atheism is absolutely arrogant" (rough paraphrase) when he tells Christians they're wrong about Christianity all the time. Something sounds wrong about that to me.
@@deemarie9945 Oh, I'm a Christian. I typed out my comment pretty fast, so I probably should've said, "That sounds hypocritical and logically fallacious to me." I appreciate you reaching out, though.
Ray told Matt that he doesn't believe Matt is an atheist. Matt believes Ray is a christian, but not that Christianity is true. Those are different things.
@@kiralawliet5612 His gripe was that he was telling him that he was "wrong about what atheism *is."* At about 30:23, Dillahunty is angered that Ray was telling him what atheism means. Ray had just told Dillahunty that "atheism is believing the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything," a point which Ray didn't back down on, and that is the context of Matt's statement we're talking about here. Furthermore, Matt would be making a non-sequitur if he was concluding the explicit quote from what you said (it is no way necessitated (or necessarily even probable) that it followed from what you said that Ray believed that atheism is something different (or that it is different)).
Dee Marie Repentance and Faith go hand in hand this is elementary doctrine Hebrews 6 1Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God Sadly you are mistaken Dee Marrie the Gospel that was presented is of Scripture 1 Corinthians 15 is the Gospel Jesus Christ died for our sin taking our punishment, rose from the dead defeating death. In reaponse we all need to repent and put our faith in Jesus Christ
Dee Marie 1. If you have repented of your sins 2. Believe in Jesus death and bodily resurrection on the third day 3. Place your faith and trust upon Jesus Christ for your salvation alone
@LemonGameshark haha. I'm deceived because you think there's a supernatural being controlling everything. Shut up and pray for me, or whatever you do to make yourself feel better.
LemonGameshark god is pretty much unprovable, so anyone who tries to prove it looks dumb. I mean, you can try, but there really is no way to prove his existence
@@brysongammer769 Turn from sin and ask GOD to reveal himself HUMBLY and TRUTHFULLY and watch what happens.. thats your proof but many dont want to do that AT ALL so they completely deny the very GOD who's against their sin, doesn't change the fact that JESUS is still God and showed himself for the world.
As an agnostic that hasn't counted out Christianity completely I feel that Ray Comfort is in general a relatively nice person. That being said I find it disgraceful the way he and so many other Christians edit their videos to make non-believers look bad. If you don't have honesty you have nothing. Guys like Ray are the reason young people are leaving the church. If Christians have to edit videos and disable comments they've already lost the battle. There's no logical reason why Ray Comfort can't leave the debate in its original format unless he is willingly trying to deceive people.
I'm a Christian and I'm disappointed in ray for not being able to answer the questions, I'm able to answer all of them and you know how many people probably turned away from God cuz of this interview
Can you answer them then? I'm an agnostic atheist and always have been since I was a child and recently I've been questioning atheism which I think most people should challenge the beliefs they grew up with and if your answers make logical sense and stand up to scrutiny then I'll be convinced.
"And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit. Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." James 5:15 - 20 As I listened to Matt and Ray, we shouldn't, as Christians, just let Brother Ray to be alone on the front lines of this Spiritual battle. We should also do our part as well. According to the Scriptures that I have posted, we should pray fervently (which means having or displaying a passionate intensity), there are much that we can do. So we should keep in prayer for many things, such as: 1) Matt Dillahunty for the Lord to stir and convict his heart and that he responds to the Gospel and gets saved. He heard the Gospel, but he shrugged it off. But Isaiah 55:11a says "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void." Ray used the Scriptures, so it will not return void. Let's pray that the seed will grow in his heart and will produce fruit. 2) Matt Dillahunty's followers so that they hear the Gospel and will respond to it. As far as I could see, there are over 135,000 people that are subscribed to his channel. Can you imagine if they all got saved? Or even 10% of them at least? Let's pray honestly, diligently, and fervently for God to reach down to these people too. 3) Ray Comfort to not gets discouraged after this debate. A lot of it was hard to sit through and watch, because Matt made accusations upon accusations to Ray. It can be discouraging afterwards. I know I would be. But let's keep praying that Satan's work will not have any affect on Ray. I am planning until the end of this month to spend a bit out of my day to pray for these things and more. But I must ask: Would any Christians want to take the challenge and do the same?
@@iceblaze3043 NO. James 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. We are saved by grace, but we show that salvation through our works that show we have faith in Jesus.
In the case of the "rich young ruler," Jesus isn't saying that all everyone has to do is sell all their possessions to get into heaven, He's pointing out that we shouldn't let worldly things prevent us from following God, that we shouldn't put worldly things ahead of God. He was using a specific example to illustrate a general concept.
Not everyone is wise or smart enough to understand parables and poetry. Satan wont let them. The blind lead the blind into thinking they can see, and its everyone else who is in error. I like to examine the product of lives(character, lifestyle, expression, compassion, selflessness, etc...) if it seems mundane or cynical, I dont want it
You would think that an all knowing being would be capable of "inspiring" humans to write stuff that doesn't take a PhD in theology to understand. If he really wanted people to "know" him, he may make himself a little more obvious. Spare me all the apologetics about having to seek him and all that, most of us atheists spent many years doing just that. The truth shouldn't need apologetics. The other glaring flaw with using the bible as some kind of spiritual guide book that was inspired by a deity is, there is no information in that book that could have only come from a deity. This would be like a Mormon telling you that your book is ok, but there's is the real deal. They both have the exact same amount of evidence and that is a problem for some people.
@@brandonbartz3718 I don't have a PhD in theology. I have a BFA in Art. I have been to several churches which include various denominations including Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, Episcopalian, and non-denominational (those are merely churches that aren't part of a larger organization, like being an independent rather than a Democrat or Republican), and I've heard this particular passage in most of those as it's a popular one, and until now I hadn't heard it so misinterpreted. I can understand someone completely outside the Christian faith misinterpreting it, particularly if they are reading the King James version, given the general lack of critical thinking that people tend to demonstrate when reading anything these days, but both Ray and Matt should know this portion of scripture better. Ray because he is a Christian and supposedly studies scripture, and Matt because he was a former Christian who apparently had designs on becoming a pastor. And, like I said, this is a popular bit of scripture for pastors and priests to preach on, so I find it hard to believe neither of them have heard it explained as I explained it. For laughs and an illustration of our general lack of ability to properly understand what we hear and read compare to our past, check out this video: m.ruclips.net/video/l_UegL1R3X8/видео.html
He was very agitated and the reasons were alluded to in the q & a session as referenced in the Word of God. Romans 1:28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. 29Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness , sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. 30They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. 31They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.” The Bible though thousands of years old, just a book, has perfectly diagnosed Matt’s heart in real time. That in and of itself is miraculous.
Brando I sure would like to find Matt’s deconstruction testimony. I feel pretty sure one of Satan’s minion; Richard Dawkin’s early books had something to do with it.
Matt this is where you’re wrong on the gospel so far. At 11:10 you said “ Jesus dies and is reborn. “ Jesus was never born again because he never had any sin to begin with. He died. But he was resurrected not reborn. Just like you had nothing to do with your own birth those who are born again don’t have that role either. But by God‘s elect calling and drawing them to be born again. Jesus is God - He raised himself from the dead. The Jesus you believed in is a false Christ, another gospel, one that cannot save you. You were never a Christian. 1 John 2:19 ESV “ They went out from us but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would have remained with us. But they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.“ Unfortunately you were just another false convert. You never came all the way. To Christ.
i see a lot atheist say they was a christian i went football practice in showed up to the games in team meeting but didnt mean i enjoyed i did boxing showed up to all the fight and events again does not mean i enjoyed i was doing cause my parents wanted me to do it most atheist if they was christian they was christians they was either forced into it or they did for someone else in not themselves.
Anupama Tirkey ....And to what reward is that to which he reaps? More importantly, and to which Christ has he led them to? The one that’s born again? That’s the problem all over again. For him to make a claim attesting to his good works as a Christian, is kind of a moot point when he wasn’t really one at all to begin with. Therefore we can have no confidence that all or any of them were led to Christ. It would be by the grace of God that the Lord might draw them to Himself. I think it’s also kind of silly to insinuate such a knowledge claim that you’ve made. You don’t even know me personally. So how can you even say such a thing? The one that you can speak on behalf of is yourself, and that’s it.
Trp Account Thanks for accurately quoting the passage… evidently my voice to text does not work so well with memory verses. Who knew? Good looking out on your part and good on ya!
@@jeremiahyeo5863 It's your self righteous attitude and ego that's not letting you see anything beyond what you perceive to be right. When I said he led, I didn't mean he worked it all out, obviously It's the Holy Spirit that convicts us not man. But Jesus commanded to spread the good news and he is doing that. Different people do it differently. As long as it's backed in the Bible, it's going to work. As far as the word reborn is concerned, he's not God and is bound to make mistakes. But insinuating that he leads people to wrong Jesus and is not rightfully a Christian based on that one word is outrightly absurd. I think you haven't seen the backlash he has faced from non-believers. I don't think you have seen people spitting on him and his team for sharing the gospel. I don't think you have seen people insulting him for sharing the gospel. He's more Christian right now than you and me. I said you one thing, that could be wrong as you're saying and you got triggered. You don't know me, and you were triggered by one thing. I only didn't like the way you said he's leading people to wrong Jesus which is wrong. God bless you brother.
If you're going to talk about scripture could you please quote it. God is all-knowing All-Seeing he knows who is going to use their free will to choose one way or the other. But we don't. We can only speak for ourselves using our free will.
Bobby Gunn Romans 8:29: "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters."
We need to pray for Matt guys, rather than saying what he is and what he isn’t and what he isn’t doing and why he isn’t doing it, let’s pray for his salvation. This man needs God to meet him in a powerful way. He would be a great tool in bringing people to Christ if he was saved.
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I don’t know if you noticed but Matt is under so much conviction and that’s where all his anger is coming from. Matt really knows there is a God deep down inside and he’s been fighting it for years because God will not be the God he wants him to be rather than who he is.
Guys.. Stop with your prayers for MATT... Aren't there more pressing issues in the world than you wanting to convert MATT? We have babies dying of natural disasters around the world..Kids dying of disease, famine, draught, floods, earthquakes etc.. Why don't your gods concentrate on helping these babies instead of trying to convince MATT to become a mythical christian? smh
Matt Dillahunty is also pro-prostitution, because the girlfriends he chose are from the same industry. He is a disgusting man. No self-control, only carnal desires. As we also witnessed with the Cosmic Skeptic debate with Matt. He only thought about food and meat and was completely inconsistent, because he only thinks about himself. Egoist.
As a Christian, I do believe that Matt was making good points and the video and the editing by Living Waters made me uncomfortable. Nevertheless, I still will be a Christian because as I was sitting alone in my car today, I asked myself if there was another good thing to live for. I tried to find pleasure in things, I tried to pursue something of value in this life. But I came to the conclusion that there is nothing of true value in this world that can satisfy like Jesus satisfies my soul. In the apostle Paul's letter to the church in Philippians he writes, "I press on to take hold of that which Christ Jesus took hold of me." Christ Jesus took hold of me. I don't know how any Atheist can find something of value in the world that has any lasting significance.
I agree as it made me uncomfortable as well. Why does Ray fail to give this man any props for having a different opinion especially when he was actually making sense. My faith is strong enough because of my relationship with Christ and the joy that it has brought me that I am okay if someone else says something that I cant answer. I think Ray could have done better.
It took me an hour to realize this wasn't posted by the ACA or Matt himself. Even this fluffed/edited version proves that Matt is the GOAT! Pun intended....
This video is heavily edited and a misrepresentation of the debate...Matt is even wearing 2 different color shirts in the video because it's clips pieced together from more than one debate. It's an example of how disingenuous Ray has to be to attempt to justify his god and demonstrates why claims of the bible cant be taken as truth...because people like Ray misrepresent events with half truths and lies of omission. Watch the real debate here: ruclips.net/video/cRCbvfyiu0s/видео.html
Yeah - took me a minute, too - but then I realized once they left Ray’s witnessing for minute after minute after minute - like he does on every single video he’s ever made. It makes my skin crawl.
@@yoshi9706 Since they ignore the person's personal experience and reasons for disbelief they end up gaslighting them (which is a form of abuse). The typical "you did it wrong, you are the problem not the cult" kind of situation.
ok, you guys are asking to defend our faith without the faith. To explain the Bible without using the Bible. It's like asking a doctor to operate without using what he learned in med school. A pilot to fly a plane without using what he learned in pilot school. Do u see how impossibly impossible that is? Everything we know about the faith is from the Bible. Everything a doctor knows about treatment is from med school. The Bible says if you seek him with a humble heart he will reveal himself to you. Millions of people took what the gospel said, did this, and found the LORD. "How do I know you're telling the truth?" Obey the gospel ('seek GOD with a humble heart and he will reveal himself to you') and you will know becasue he will reveal himself to you. Or, you can keep asking the doctor to treat the patient without what he learned in med school and stay blissfully ignorant. Your choice, heaven or hell.
@@joshuacline12 All Im asking is for you to tell me if you can observe God with any of our physical senses. I humbled myself and sought after God, maybe I found Him without knowing it in a spiritual way but definitely no observable way. If God wants to send me to hell for not guessing He lives then so be it. He's omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient. If He wanted to save me He would know what to show/tell me, and He would not harden my heart against unproven stories. Interesting thing is doctors learn how to perform surgeries and use medication. They don't learn how to keep the body healthy (maybe they do but they definitely fail at it). So to bring it back to context, I want spiritual health not just something to believe in because of fearmongering. And it definitely is fearmongering, even if I decide to believe (while knowing that I cant possibly be certain) I would still hate to see family and friends in hell. I won't be able to enjoy heaven and I doubt Ill enjoy His presence if He sent my family and friends to hell, because Im no different from them (Im equally sinful according to God's standard, or would gullibility somehow make me morally superior?). Id be looking at an eternity of depression, or since nothing like that will be in heaven would I just be tossed out or would my mind essentially be altered?
Sebastien Roux u obviously have a very open mind and I appreciate that greatly, my friend. Not many ppl have that. In GOD’s defense- in the beginning GOD mad everything perfect- laughter, joy, happiness, peace, etc. that is how it was in the Garden of Eden. GOD, not wanting to control us like robots, gave us an option, essentially: “you can be around all the things I made-happiness, joy, peace, etc- or you can choose not to” thus the tree that WE CHOSE to eat from. He even warned us “you will surely die if u eat from it” and we live in a fallen creation becasue of it. Every bad thing in the world is becasue we choose to follow an evil devil and not a perfect GOD. So, however long u live, whether it be 70,60,20, etc, GOD has given u that long to turn from the evil and come to him. He even died for you so that way he would remain Just. He couldn’t just let a criminal off the hook when there was a fine to pay, HE PAID YOUR FINE. So, let’s recap- GOD used to walk with us, talk to us, be with us- we chose this. We chose to leave him, that is why we are living in this turmoil. To answer your question, yes, He requires faith. He requires faith in him, a belief he exists, and repentance. Without repentance there is no forgiveness of sins. The Bible says “he chose the foolish things to confound the wise.” In other words- remember Noah’s ark? Jonah and the wale? The parting of the sea by Moses? Sounds crazy right? But he chose them for those who aren’t humble and want to believe he is limited by any of this. Some people have observed GOD through observable ways. 500+ people seen Jesus after he risen. Another thing, would me and you- being logical people- die for something we knew was a lie? Well tons of Christians who observed Jesus’ miracles did according to the logic that Jesus never did miracles. Another thing, you know those people who control things at the top of our society? The politicians and what not? Yea, those people were in the Bible during Jesus’ time, they were called Pharisees and Scribes and they BADLY didn’t want his words to get out. They HATED him, they CRUCIFIED him. And the people who wrote the Bible, the ones who observed his miracles, they died to get his words out. Would me and you die for a lie? No. Also let me give u something else, there are over 10k manuscripts of the Bible that are written within 99.5% accuracy of one another. In other words- there is more evidence that Jesus existed than Socrates, Aristotle, and Plato combined. Than Alexander the Great, than Genghis Khan. This is a few of many things. This isn’t blind faith my friend, it’s evidence based faith- but you need to search to find the evidence. You cannot just put it off. I love you and hope to have you as a brother in Christ soon ❤️ come home to Jesus, repent and Trust in him and you will be saved
Dee Marie nope, that’s wrong. Ray teaches that we are saved by GRACE through FAITH ALONE However, true faith must produce works. Read James 2 Blessings
@@deemarie9945 your must be a lukewarm Christian that goes out and parties, thinks being gay is ok and fornicates. If ray is wrong God not going to send him to hell for trying to be good. But if ray is right God might be mad at you
I can't tell if Ray is genuinely simple minded and can't grasp basic concepts or if he's being bloody minded. Why agree to debate and then ignore that's it's supposed to be a debate? That's impolite or wilfully ignorant. Or both.
Ray is using "the way of the master" - doing what Jesus did - convict the hearer of their sin condition and the need for it to be paid for through themselves in hell or Christ crucified.
1 Cor. 1:18 "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing..." Matt's point at the end is that he won the debate of the question "Does the gospel make sense". And I would agree with him based on this verse and the next. From a human perspective, using logic and reason, the gospel does not make sense. I'm so glad God's ways are higher than ours, and his thoughts are higher than ours, and he loved me enough to do something as non-sensical as die for people who hate and reject him. Great job Ray preaching the gospel in all circumstances to reach all people, even if it means "losing" a debate. :)
How do you know your god's thoughts? I'm also interested how you know he/she even thinks. Supposedly he/she knows everything and already knows the past, present and future, which eliminates any need for thought process. Also, how do you know a god exists and how do you know it's the god you want? In the Bible Jesus only "died" for about a day and a half as well. Hardly a sacrifice; just a real crappy start to the weekend. People have suffered much worse for no reason.
@@JQAsCrustyNightSock I disagree greatly that what Jeff is saying is he knows God's thoughts, he is saying from his understanding not that he knows, so thats a misrepresentation by you there. Why would knowing past, present, and future eliminate the need for thought? That is highly illogical in many ways? To say Jesus only died? How many examples of people who have died and came back do you have to compare too? I'll wait! Belittling is hardly proving a point, anger is very prominent in non believers is that a symptom, or a circumstance?
@@fabfrenchies1974 "...his thoughts are higher than ours" is what he said, which is a statement of fact. He didn't say it was his "understanding". That is what you said. That is you misrepresenting him. Why would a god need to think if the past, present and future was already predetermined? Not that the god couldn't have thoughts, but what need would there be if everything was already predetermined? We have zero examples of someone who has died and been resurrected; that is why we need evidence for such a claim. First you need to prove Jesus as described in the Bible existed, then you need to prove Jesus died, then you need to prove Jesus was resurrected, then you need to prove Jesus was resurrected by the god of the Bible. Still a lot of work to do on your part. I'll wait. Why do you assume I am angry? Asking for evidence doesn't mean I'm angry. Also, please point out where I was belittling to the OP. He made several claims and I asked how he knows what he claims to know. I didn't do anything you have accused me of.
I enjoy listening to Matt, but he really says some dumb things from time to time. No such thing as porn addiction? A huge community of licensed psychologists would disagree with that...
Porn addiction isn’t recognized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It is debated upon as to whether or not it's an addiction in the medical world. However, in my unprofessional opinion, I think it counts as an addiction once it starts regularly interfering with your life and makes you nonfunctional in many aspects.
@@frozenraspberries1552 yes, I agree. I would also add that while there is no specific diagnosis called "pornography addiction", there are compulsive sexual disorders where porn can and does play a huge role in making the problem worse. Excessive use of pornography (to a point where quality of life is diminished) can also play a big part in hypersexual disorder (or should it be "disorders"? not sure if it's plural). What Matt should have said, if he wished to be accurate, is that there is no specific DIAGNOSIS for pornography addiction. Psychiatrists across the board recognize that there are people for whom excessive viewing of pornography can a problem. I think we pretty much agree. Then there's my personal opinion, which is that porn can also be a distraction from dealing with problems, just like sleeping around, partying excessively, Netflix and watching random christian debates on youtube. Just a sidenote.
@@absw6129 Yep! We agree. I think Matt holds your position too. But he was quite irresponsible with wording. Might have had to keep the position pithy with Ray Comfort though since Ray has a problem with staying on one topic and not going into preachy salad. Also it's a problem in the Christian community to label any porn watching as sex addiction. But I have noticed Matt has a problem sometimes where he gives the pithy offensive version of his opinion and it doesn't do him any good or accurately represents his full thoughts on it. I'm a sociolinguist and there's quite a few things I wish he would change about the way he phrases things honestly.
@@frozenraspberries1552 The DSM is a political tool more than it is an objective assessment. A meagre glance at it's history, it's amendments, it's additions and removals make that clear. In other words, just because it doesn't include an entry on porn addiction doesn't mean it isn't real - if anything, it means the APA is likely getting backhanders from certain industries...
Wait, internet addiction, game addiction, sex addiction, what about those, are they recognized? To be honest, I thought being psychologically dependent on any these constituted addiction. What else is the criteria then?
I know; Matt was definitely wrong in saying porn isn't addictive, it most certainly is. But don't think by saying porn isn't addictive that somehow that makes his credibility or the ability to argue the topic on atheism any less viable. This by no means lessen or weaken his standing point on atheism just because he is wrong on one point. I'm not suggesting that people are making that point, but just saying people should avoid going down that track. For an Atheist, overall Matt spoke well and I say that as a Christian. Matt needs evidence to substantiate that God truly does exist, irrefutable evidence that cannot be challenged or argued against. But God has made it very clear in his word that he (Matt nor anyone else) won't receive anymore evidence than creation, their own conscious as moral beings (the law written on their heart) and the Bible itself which is the very word of God. If you can rationalize those three things without the existence of a God involved, then I don't see how you can ever find God of your own accord without some level of faith. It does take faith, but it's not blind faith. If you read and study the word of God and be open to God to reveal himself to you, you can see that there is no way that 40 authors over 1500 years can write a book showing us that in the Old Testament we are broken, damaged people, separated from God as a result of disobedience; and the New Testament that shows us what God is going to do about that problem to rectify it. As long as Matt breaths, the offer God makes to him and all humanity stays on the table. But once you die, a person's fate is sealed for eternity. I was once like Matt, and as long as there is a beating heart, there is hope for people like Matt. (Luke 18:27) "The things which are impossible with men are possible with God". For God all things are possible. So who's to say Matt won't realize one day that God truly does exist! And I pray he does!
I love your comment bud, if only people just open up their hearts they'll most definitely be able to see but all we can do is continue praying and preaching and hope that we can get through to their hearts!!!
If there was a god wouldn’t he know how to convince Matt? He’s omnipotent hes today and tomorrow. Soooo isn’t it more likely that people were dying of things they didn’t understand and made up a story to make people feel better. Seems more likely since people back then usually didn’t live past 40 and died of there teeth.
@@mrmallard4600 God did come to us/humanity. He came in the presence of a man and extended a hand for us to come to him. It’s an offer given by God within the framework of a world where free will exists. I don’t believe God knows everything. The bible states that Abrahams actions revealed to God that Abraham feared him. “Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.” God did not know that Abraham feared him until Abraham was tested.
this atheist needs a thorough schooling in Prophecy past, present and future, he needs to be shown how God authenticates His Word by telling and fulfilling Prophecy. This is the way to prove that God exists....
This theological method not work! Matt already heard from christians every week and several years. Is necessary really use a philosophical method that demonstrate the fallibility of human though sistem, that is, applies the pressupositionalism of Cornelius Van Til (have you heard about him?) And after that present a christian view like substitute and unique because his belief will be full of holes. Christ give a lot proff or evidence for his disciples, He used the reason and latter them come believe him and witness people around.
"When is the last time you looked at porn?" Without a split second of hesitation he firmly answers: "Today." But there is no such thing as porn addiction. His hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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@cheanator Wow that's awesome man, I'm in the same boat except instead of 2 years it's been about 2 days. I know with God help I can beat it eventually though.
Listening to Ray wither under any form of scrutiny was painful, and telling. The part about him being unwilling to demonstrate he had a wife was super weird. Why would you sign up for a debate if you can't defend any of it
Yeah, thats the thing about Ray. He's quite dishonest. There's nothing wrong with being a Christian, or disagreeing with Matt. But Ray doesn't even listen to people. He purposely lies about what people claim. And then when he's corrected by those very people who say, "No, that's not what i said," he will go on repeating those lies. Lying is wrong, and Ray does a lot of it.
Ray: Atheists believe that the origin of all is nothing Matt: no, You can believe any stuff about the origin of things and being an atheist, not only that from nothing came all Ray: Do You believe that from nothing came all as an atheist? Matt: As an atheist no, i don't necesary believe in that Ray: but here is a vídeo about a Lot of other atheist who they believe in that Ray, cmon, you are not even trying anymore, the fact that a group of atheist believe in something and decide to do a vídeo about that is not a proof that all Atheists believe in that, i understand now why Matt doesnt want to debate You, it's so harsh to listen someone so incapable of understand why is wrong about so Many things. PD: with the harlot stuff in the bible, Matt is still right, because in the context of that story, is the brother who is insulting his other brother and is telling that to his father, is like, if I tell a story about someone who insults someone else and calls him "Ugly", that doesnt mean that he is really Ugly, just that the other Say that to insult him.
Oh now I know where this being atheist came from he wants to watch porn guys. And by the way we know how porn is a drug and this man claims porn is not an addiction 😂 he is so foolish I used to think he is logical but he came out to be sex maniac.
What’s wrong with porn? Studies show that countries with higher porn use have less cases of sexual harassment. Better to relieve sexual urges at home rather than bottling them up or taking them out on someone else.
Atheism is the opioid of the masses. It's asier to convince yourself that all is just fine and dandy, than realizing the world is the most messed up place ever...and, who do they think is making it that way? The freewill of humans. So it begs the question, is that same evil in me? Could I be a proponent of the evil? But they don't want to see their perfect worldview crumble to peices.
Scientifically this is true. It is not recognized as an psychological addiction. There are people that struggle with porn and sex. But there is not enough evidence to call it an psychological addiction.
@@Joshokitty Another reason why sometimes common sense trumps science. Quite the overthinking process going on to try and justify that something that releases the drug of dopamine in your brain can't be addicting. You realize that's what "dope" is doing right? Releasing DOPEamine.
You're missing the point. A soul is not won by winning a debate. Read the gospel again. Show me 1 passage of scripture where Jesus or the apostles converted a soul with a debate. The gospel is the power of GOD unto salvation. Preach the gospel and let GOD do the rest. Ravy Zacharias is a perfect example of this. Endless debating does nothing.
@@Jesusway2heaven lol, you're actually missing the point. God's work is responsible for winning souls, not debate. Secondly, why would anyone believe the bible if you didn't give them a good reason to believe so? One of the main point of apologetics is to show that the bible can be reasonably believed. Another is to show that a god can be reasonably believed as well
@@Jesusway2heaven if you observed without bias this video, ray continously strawmans atheism and doesn't even bother to listen to what the opposition has to say. He's clearly made up his mind and won't accept being wrong That attitude alone removes any chance of the opposition to listen to him in the first place. So don't go around telling anyone debates are worthless because Paul himself debated with non christians
@@Jesusway2heavendo you honestly think anyone would listen to you that the bible is true because you preach that the bible says it's true?? None. Reasoning, debate and apologetics is key to show that Christianity is rational. It may not save souls immediately but it sure helps people to open their ears and go from there
@@Jesusway2heaven you’re just repeating what ray is doing. Do you get that preaching isn’t all there is? If I were an atheist which means I don’t beleive in ANY god. Why would I consider what you have to say from your book?? Typical ignorant internet guy
" I made an ironclad argument" - is Matt serious. He knows nothing about God creating a certain world in which there is a certain amount of evil and a certain amount of good. Free will is necessary is a world where people freely choose to love Him or Hate him. God would obviously know that Matt rejects him but his knowing that comes from Matt's own free decision.
I think God is more in our heads than we realize. Sometimes I marvel at how God works certain things out within our personal life. Has a way of putting us in the middle of where we need to be at the right time, and it is our free will to react to where he puts us. There are always two paths you can go down, and God knows our intentions like you wouldn't imagine.
If god omniscient, he knows who will take good and evil choices. There is no free will. Even if it isn't omniscient, nobody chooses the drives and experiences that lead to certain choice. Free will doesn't make sense.
@@jonatand2045 God knows the choices you make yes, BUT, only IF you make them silly. He doesn't know it and you then have to make the action. You can change what you do and guess what, God will know that. So It is the other way round. You argue for Calvinism. Why are you a Calvinist?
This is why I am a Christian, everyone else can speak for themselves...it’s totally faith based for me, I totally believe the claims of Jesus: Jesus has his innocent blood splilled on the Cross, hitting the soil and dust, the same soil and dust God created us from. Jesus overcoming death yet giving us his blood into this fallen world is the ultimate miracle, whosoever believes in him will have eternal life is the miracle of miracles. There’s nothing scientific to prove this but I believe it.
This is the problem with Christians. Stop believing in worldviews without evidence. Why would you believe just because of your faith when you can believe because of evidence? Because your faith in it doesn't make Jesus real, or His ressurection real.
NaVi ' primarily, the reason I am so confident in my faith is because of what Jesus said here on earth. No mortal being utters the words he uttered while alive here on earth. Jesus said things that make every hair on your body stand up and your spine to tingle. I will give you my personal faith story.
How you are saved: Believe that when Jesus took his last breath on the Cross, the blood from his body immediately after death hitting the dust of the earth covered mankind’s sin for eternity, but it was at the cost of Jesus’ death. (You are created from the dust of the earth by God! Jesus meant “drink this wine to symbolize my life/blood I’m giving to you, creatures from dust”. Jesus meant “eat this bread to symbolize my body, and how it will not decay into the earth, but rather leave this earth and be at the right hand of God The Father to serve as the middle-man communicator between God The Father and mankind ”, symbolizing how Jesus overcame death). So basically, mankind was saved from eternal punishment, but mankind still couldn’t talk/relationship with God The Father because God The Father couldn’t commune with mankind because we have fallen. Also, God The Father could not commune with Jesus since he had died. This was without question the most terrifying 3 days ever in history. However, when Jesus conquered death on day 3, Jesus not only provided eternal covering for mankind’s sins through his innocent blood on the Cross, but now Jesus has given mankind a connection to God the Father through himself. JESUS CHRIST... HE IS ALIVE! All you must do is believe in him in this fallen world, and you will be saved hallelujah! Praise JESUS!!!
@@nobelpeaceprizeloser3242 But the thing is, if you are believing in the NT where His words are recorded purely on faith then you purely on faith believe that Jesus actually said those words and that they werent made up. God bless
The fact that evolution (which MUST be true if there is no Creator) has nothing to back it up, is evidence that God exists. If evolution were true, the fossil record would reflect that, but the fossils in no way support the lie of evolution. It's a fantasy held by those who WISH there was no God.
@@senorex2088 I know lol you couldn’t make it up. It’s gaslighting. Mr Logic transforms into a Karen every time he fails to control the debate. Working on the Atheist experience where he gets to mute and cut people off while being smug in the knowledge that he’s really wound them up; has not served him well in situations where he can’t get his own way.
31:35 Love requires a decision. God gave us the freewill to choose. If God creates you to Love Him without your ability to choose whether you want to or not that's not true love. Light has come into the world but men choose darkness rather than the light because their deeds are evil.
@@jamesescamilla1286 Please respond to the following argument: P1. Your god creates with world with two kinds of people: those that freely choose to love him, and those that freely choose not to. P2. The free will of the first group does not interfere with the free will of the second, and vice-versa. C1. Had the second group not been created, the first group would retain their free will, and not be robots. P4. Your god knows in advance which group a person he might create will belong to. P5. Your god can refrain from creating anybody the second group. C2. Your god could have created a world with non-robot free people that love him, and no non-robot free people that don't. Is there anything wrong with this argument?
@@JMUDoc nothing wrong with your argument in my opinion but you are arguing with the wrong one. God's ways are not our ways nor are His thoughts our thoughts. Can the clay say to the Potter why have you made me this way? What He has told us is we all have the ability to choose life through the free gift of His Son. He paid our sin debt. The Just for the unjust.
@@jamesescamilla1286 So you stipulate that your god COULD have made a free world where everybody loves him... don't you wonder why he didn't? Do you not think it unfair that the majority of people will end up in hell when they need not have been created at all? Or are you OK with this because you (think you) are one of the ones bound for heaven? "Can the clay say to the Potter why have you made me this way?" No. Because it's clay, and it can't think or speak. (The fact that your religion has made you compare yourself to clay is, frankly, dismal, IMO.) If I created a robot that could think for itself and it asked me about its creation, I would not for a moment consider dismissing it with arrogant "how DARE you!?" replies. "What He has told us is we all have the ability to choose life through the free gift of His Son" But if he fails to convince me of his son's very existence - and, indeed, HIS very existence - that choice is not open to me. I can't accept an offer I don't believe has been made, can I?
Although I don't agree with Mr. Dillahunty (Atheism) I recognize he made strong arguments and real questions. But what Ray maybe forgot to mention here was, there's another realm (the spiritual) that you can only access it thru believing (faith) in which it manifest in our world thru God or thru demonic forces. The key here it's not proving God's existence or why we were given our nature, the more proof you provide the more questions will come up and the less someone is willing to believe or trust. The key thing here is FAITH which is impossible to please (receive grace) God if we don't have it. I'm not dissing today's preachers in any way, they have a God given purpose, but what really stands out preachers from the old days compared to today's is that in the modern era they want to convince people with literature, studies, scientists, love, prosperity etc... Yet in the old days let's say Billy Graham as an example, they didn't try to convince people with facts, they preached the Gospel and let the Holy Spirit took care of convincing people. So what I'm trying to say is, as much as we want to convince someone (an atheist) with facts, arguments, evidence or proof, they're deeply convinced and won't accept there's such a God, but by contrast when we let the Holy spirit speaks to anyone, He will enter his heart, move him in a special way and convince him of his existence. Apostle Paul was convinced he was doing good, killing Christians but when Jesus struck him, he was enlightened by the Holy Spirit and start preaching what he used to kill Christians for, putting his life on the line for God. A preacher once said: "The great thing about conscience is, even if you don't believe what I'm saying... you do believe what I'm saying..." God Bless everyone
@Aerial Productions Charlotte I don’t know anything about that, also you’re probably talking about his son, not the past away father which I was referring to.
Exactly I don't want to debate I'm tired of that I want to walk in power in authority of Jesus and how he he lived I want to live because we are supposed to be Christ like👊💯💪let holy spirit do the talking
I just start telling people you'll find out what we were so adamantly warning you of when you die.. and many dont respond after that! What can they say? Death is coming for us all and someone is going to be wrong..at least if I'm wrong and the atheist was right I lose nothing I wont "exist anymore" but if they're wrong and we're right (which we are) they will deeply regret not choosing the most high. It's unfortunate for many but I'm over trying to convince someone of what I know is true.. those who will be saved will be saved. Some listen some don't!
Matt's objections are unfortunately born of a particular Christian heritage which is theologically rudimentary and simplistic. Essentially he's shooting down straw men without realising it. For example he has a problem with substitutionary atonement, and his objection is correct because substitutionary atonement is incorrect. However he hasn't heard the proper understanding of the atonement so he simply continues to shoot down the substitutionary version. The Lord bless you Matt. If you wish to enter into a discussion that is far deeper than that to which you've been exposed to, respond to this message and we can set up a place to discuss.
Just call him up on his atheist show, although i highly doubt you’d add anything new to the discussion. I also have some great questions, that no christian has been able to answer. And that considering that I don’t even dispute God’s existence and don’t nag for “evidence”.
Dee Marie , I would argue that this is exactly what Ray teaches. He tells people that the only thing that can save them is faith. To trust in Jesus like you trust a parachute. And then he will finish with, it must be sincere. Sincerity of faith will be proven because you will be truly sorry and in your heart will not want to sin against God. This is what the Bible says too!!! It says “do not be readers and not doers only fooling yourself”. He has never said that works save. In fact, ive heard him every time say “doing good will not save you. Don’t flap your own arms when you fall from a plane. Trust the parachute”. He also says but “trust in God and have true repentance” (that just means being truly sorry and not pretending to love God) I have called myself a Christian in the past and I honestly was a living hypocrite, because I didn’t really have a heart change. I didn’t love the Lord enough to want to live for Him and obey him. I was living in such filth at the time. Since I realized what true repentance and true remorse for my sin is, I still slip up every day. But, the difference is I love Him so much that I want to make Him happy. (That is being truly repentant and not lying to yourself)
I was hoping that Ray would have siad God is LOVE, Jesus humanity was all about LOVE and I have found the more I love others and do my hardest not to look at others sin, I see more and more of love in people.
@@lionoffireministries This video is heavily edited and a misrepresentation of the debate...Matt is even wearing 2 different color shirts in the video because it's clips pieced together from more than one debate. It's an example of how disingenuous Ray has to be to attempt to justify his god and demonstrates why claims of the bible cant be taken as truth...because people like Ray misrepresent events with half truths and lies of omission. Watch the real debate here: ruclips.net/video/cRCbvfyiu0s/видео.html
Does anyone know why Ray removed 12m:29s of this debate out of his version? There are clearly parts of the debate missing when compared to the original video on the Modern Day Debates RUclips channel. 🤔 Edited: Went back and added up the exact time duration missing. Started with Ray's opening statement (1:46) through the end of his closing statement (47:01).
Dude i posted a comment and when living waters responded to it i responded to them with a longform response they blocked my ability to write comments. Sounds like they are afraid of cogent arguments lol
@@klayson19 the comments were getting removed for a while, it took some time before i was able to put comments on this page again. And as you can see that comment is almost a year old.
Really don't like this format. I think it was the "worst of both worlds" in comparison to a formal debate or a private discussion. The moderator could have done much better in keeping both parties focused on the topic.
This video is heavily edited and a misrepresentation of the debate...Matt is even wearing 2 different color shirts in the video because it's clips pieced together from more than one debate. It's an example of how disingenuous Ray has to be to attempt to justify his god and demonstrates why claims of the bible cant be taken as truth...because people like Ray misrepresent events with half truths and lies of omission. Watch the real debate here: ruclips.net/video/cRCbvfyiu0s/видео.html
Nick Boismenu I don’t agree with some of those sweeping generalizations (the last half of the comment). The link you provided is much appreciated and I will check it out, thank you.
@@vincer7824 I am simply saying that if Ray, who knows and preaches that lieing is a sin against his god, but is still willing to do it, then it is reasonable to conclude that other religious leaders like jesuses deciples also may have misrepresented events in the bible. So it is a reasonable expectation that evidence be required to support the extraordinary claims made in the bible for them to even be considered accurate accounts. I dont expect anyone to take my word for it, that Ray misrepresented the debate with the intent to mislead others...i invite you to check out the link and see for yourself.
Nick Boismenu Thank you for clarifying what you meant. I understand and disagree, due to the nature of virtual comments I’m not interested in sharing my reasoning here. You seem like someone that it would be very interesting to speak to irl though. Yes, I think we both agree people should evaluate the debate and ideas presented for themselves. Again, thanks for the link.
@@religdeb hes doing what to Ray what he got mad at ray doing. Ray said he was wrong about atheism. And matt is saying rays wrong about knowing the Lord. Same thing. Dont play on words.
Thank you Living Waters for posting this showdown. I was a dedicated Christian all my life until I saw this video. By virtue of this video and listening to Matt's responses I have learned how to question and assess what I believed in a rational unbiased manor become more in touch with my own common sense. I now am a fully committed atheist. Listening to the contradictions and obvious weak foundations of argument Ray presents made my choice easy. Thank you Ray for illuminating how one dimensional and ridiculous I have been all my life up till now. Ray really made my choice much easier.
so you went from believing a God who loves you and created you with value and reason to believing that you are nothing more than a blob of chemicals with no ultimate meaning or value. You believe that you are no different from a cocoroach? Denying God is denying an ultimate standard of Morality, Value, Truth and Reason. so ultimately you should have no Reason to become an athiests. Reason presupposes design, logic, order and truth and there could be none of those principles without a standard of such.
@@christrighteousministries5932 It's not about what you prefer to be real. It's about what can be proved. Just be honest with yourself and not just believe the ideas you like the most.
I'm curious how you can become and atheist and claim to have studied the Bible. Perhaps you were a christian who never read most of the Word? Explain how the Bible knew centuries ahead of time exactly when Jesus would be born, what nation He would be born in, what town he would be born in, what tribe He would be born, what family He would be born, or his entire ministry, His life, His betrayal, crucifixion and Resurrection all centuries before they happened. How did it know Rome would crucify Jesus centuries before Rome was a world kingdom or ruled in Judea, or 10 centuries before crucifixion even existed as capital punished. And how in the world did the Bible know Rome would destroy the temple and Israel completely and scatter the Jews across the earth in the great diaspora for nearly 2000 years? And how in the world did it know Israel would be reborn as a nation 2000 years later, following the holocaust and WW2? No other nation in the history of the world has ever been completely destroyed and then reborn as a nation. Only one.....Israel. And the Bible predicted the destruction by Rome and the rebirth nearly 2000 years later. And its took 2 world wars and the holocaust to make it happen.
@@ExperienceEric You do realize the Bible was put together hundreds of years after Jesus was supposed to be alive right? Nearly every story was stolen from older religions. Look at the story of Osiris for just one which was way before the Jesus stories. All stolen content mate. None of them predictions are mentioned by name tho are they. Anyone can predict random stuff and in time when something happens in the slightest way like it says in the Bible you claim is a perfect match prediction. How dishonest.
@@chronicler2313 so in other words shut off your mind and don't ask questions, be a good trusting slave and I won't torture you forever in a lake of fire.
@@chronicler2313 exactly my point obey and I won't have to kill and torture you, that is the moral equivalent of holding a gun to someone's head demanding their wallet and if they refuse saying "don't make me kill you" the fault for someone being killed is not the person who was killed its by the person who killed them, if god is what the Bible professes him to be what possible threat can I be to him, so why does he have to kill me, that is not love in any sense of the word, that is a violent narcissist. If God can't abide me he could simply kill me where is the need for an eternity of fiery torment other than some sort of sadistic pleasure derived from it.
@@chronicler2313 I don't claim to know god, I don't believe he exists I am open to having my mind changed with good evidence, none of what you said answers my question in any way, God will send me to a lake of fire to be tortured and to suffer for all of eternity if I don't believe and worship him, how does that make him loving and forgiving, using the story in the bible, God gives me a way not to suffer eternally if I toe the line, but you conveniently leave out the part that it's god who is doing the punishing and the torturing, if god didn't create a place of eternal suffering and anguish then no one would have to suffer eternal suffering and anguish, as I've said if God doesn't want me to live in heaven God can just kill me where is the need for eternal torture other than your god seems to enjoy subjecting people to it.
I've encountered pastors like this, they literally can't have a normal conversation. They come in with all these prerequisites that they are unable to challenge
Yes ray does a great job and really knows the Bible intricately and intimately. Ravi has a more philosophical and scientific approach. But I don’t think this Matt guy would be persuaded by anyone.
I love how they edited this video to make Matt look like he was crazy. Ray didn’t have a lick of evidence and had nothing to back up what he thought atheist claim the Bible is wrong. Reek kept going to the Bible. That’s the claim not the answer, Matt won this by flying colors.
Jesus asked "why do you call me good?" In order to impress upon the questioner who he was calling him, which was God. Jesus never said "don't call me good", he also is called the *good Shepard* elsewhere in the Gospels. Furthermore, if we understand the fact that God IS the good, it is part of his nature, then the phrase "why do you ask me about that which is good?" turns out to be the exact same as "why do you call me good?" when he is referencing God himself.
Joseph Dunne If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
@@Jempath This video is heavily edited and a misrepresentation of the debate...Matt is even wearing 2 different color shirts in the video because it's clips pieced together from more than one debate. It's an example of how disingenuous Ray has to be to attempt to justify his god and demonstrates why claims of the bible cant be taken as truth...because people like Ray misrepresent events with half truths and lies of omission. Watch the real debate here: ruclips.net/video/cRCbvfyiu0s/видео.html
At 16:27ish.... ay ay ay... I'm already frustrated. Adam and Eve had freewill. He told them not to touch the tree of knowledge. They had a choice. Eve could have followed God's instructions. But was tempted, and fell for it. Freewill... Freewill is the answer to that. There are true followers of Christ. I'm still watching. And ay ay ay. We have a fair and just God. It wouldn't be fair to create, beings that are human, to be righteous, and holy. I'm sure God does want to reward strong willed people. Why would he want evil people in heaven. There is nothing in heaven that is corrupt. We, through our fear of God, we respect Him, and love him, and try our hardest through faith, we want to do the Lord's works. Bible believing, born again Christians know we go to heaven by the grace, bc Christ Jesus died and rose 3 days later. We repent from our sins, we will be humble joyful servants to our Lord. This world this corrupt world that walks by sight, they need facts. I have my testimony, I know and believe with my whole heart, John 3:16. I am only a resident of this world, a citizen of God's kingdom. King Jesus is my ruler. I love my government I will be living in for eternity. I pray I'm a great and humble ambassador for my ruler, my creator, my king! And when the time comes (we are in the last minutes of sand in the hourglass) every knee shall bow, and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord! Amen! Amen! AMEN! Please, this last sentence is for my brothers and sisters... please never lose your ZEAL, never lose that fire you had when you first gave your life your heart to our Lord, rekindle the flame in your temple and let your holy spirit overfill you with boldness and courage bc we are in that time. I love you and see all my brothers and sisters soon. God bless and maranatha!
Adam and Eve were the only people who ever had free will. Since they sinned all of mankind has been slave to sin. Not inherited sin either- "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
@@jimjohn6520 as free will pertains to sinful behavior, you are correct. As for every other aspect of life, including the decision whether or not to receive or reject the salvation of Jesus, free will is of course alive and well in every individual.
@@johnboehmer6683 I think there is free agency to make decisions. That is why we are responsible for what those decisions are, however, we will not choose godliness on our own. Righteous living is evidence of the change of heart from death to life, yet the will is wicked just the same. So it is never free will, except a will to do sin. Even Christians fall prey to sin.
@@jimjohn6520 we are all born into sin. But bc of Jesus we are washed clean. We all have freewill here on earth. We can choose what we want to put our faith in. But the wages of sin is death. So we can live however we choose here on earth, but after our flesh dies, our soul is left for eternity. Either heaven or hell. It's freewill. God gives us that.
Matt should’ve asked you this way: “If you had to convince me that you had a relationship with your wife, or you had to convince me that you had a relationship with god, which would you pick?” The answer of course is your wife. It’s ok to be honest and say that you have a relationship with god but that you can’t convince others of that relationship. That’s honest.
@@treesquatch9150 I think I described it and understand it perfectly when I said "you can't convince others of that relationship [compared to the evidence you have for your wife]". I'm guessing you're an evolution denier which better describes what you're saying.
q&a: "Why didn't God write black lives matter on men"s hearts so there was no racism?" He did! Only it was ALL lives matter! Yes, just humans matter. With God there is no difference, people!
Humans are created in the image of God, and for humans to make divides amongst each other, racism, etc. are against God's design and will for human life.
People love to attack the Bible. They have no understanding of it, and then when they have a Christian in front of them that does understand the Bible and studies it constantly, they will not listen. Why not listen to the one that has understanding from God?
@D W really? Matt is the one that isn't logical? Matt destroyed ray in this debate. Ray did not make a single good point and did not use logic only his indoctrinated beliefs which any logical person would see as empty claims without any evidence to back it up.
@@Steven-nd2lw you think that all religious people are indoctrinated thats not true you have committed a phalacy you should research christianity first before making stupid claims here are some material watch bible project ,apologetics press , answers in genesis ,whaddo you meme , aoc network playlist on bible prophecy and associates for biblical research
Atheist versus Christian debates are a curious thing. I used to be a Christian, but now I am atheist, or at the very least agnostic. People used to argue that the atheist could never "win", but I have decided that is not true. The atheist probably won't sway the 'Chriatian', but will probably influence the beliefs of at least a few of the 'Chriatians' listening. I was swayed ultimately.
This video is heavily edited and a misrepresentation of the debate...Matt is even wearing 2 different color shirts in the video because it's clips pieced together from more than one debate. It's an example of how disingenuous Ray has to be to attempt to justify his god and demonstrates why claims of the bible cant be taken as truth...because people like Ray misrepresent events with half truths and lies of omission. Watch the real debate here: ruclips.net/video/cRCbvfyiu0s/видео.html
Nick Boismenu wow, you don’t pay attention very well. In the “debate” he is wearing the same shirt. The part where he is wearing a different shirt is AFTER the debate from a separate video commentary of Matt that he recorded AFTER the debate. So you can call Rat disingenuous. The debate isn’t heavily edited or spliced together. Pay more attention please.
That’s because the moderator is the one that said he would put both links to their channels in the description. The moderator posted this video on his own channel as well. Your just looking at the video that ray posted on his living waters channel.
@@davidduke2073 that is not how it is presented by Ray, and it is very heavily edited none the less... But you are right, Matt does do a review of the debate afterward, in a blue shirt. I wonder why Ray never mentions any of that in the description nor links the actual debate and matts review. Awfully dishonest
@@ColtPaul33 can you prove it with science? Show me someone rising from the dead after being dead for three days and have magical abilities. The ball is in your court.
@@Gokulosestoavirus eyewitness testimonies of his resurrection in abundance. And all of them died brutally without denying it. People don't die for what they know is a lie. And that is only surface level proof. My life and countless others are proof of his existence as well but clearly you aren't ready to hear these truths in its entirety as you are still enslaved by sin and haven't been set free in Christ. So these testimonies are pointless. So I'm praying for your deliverance brother and that your eyes begin to see and your ears begin to hear so that you may know the truth. God bless you Bob.
at the end matt explains how ray just preached at him the whole time and ray makes a point to stop the video and interject for "clarification" and responds with "Matt just couldn't handle the truth of what I was preaching to him" .. lmao like dude youre supposed to be having a debate about whether god exists and all youre doing is trying to convince matt hes going to hell... some peoples awareness of themselves is absolutely baffling to me sometimes smh
As a Christian myself, i respect brother Matt for having the patience to tolerate Rays ignorance and self-roghteousness. I'm sorry Ray, but before having another debate or discussion, please humble yourself, drop your know-it-all-i-dont-have-to-prove-it-all ego, look outside your little box, and depend more on Gods wisdom rather than your blind childish understanding of the bible. In order to debate an atheist you need to realize that these people are real smart people with real critical thinking skills about life and lifes meaning, if you're not a critical thinker yourself and if you dont know your bible well enough you shouldn't be debating people that are smarter than you. It even seemed like Matt knew more about the old testament than you, and when he brought things up about Gods wrath and other complicated topics, you never gave him any decent explanations and just skipped right over to falsely accusing him of things. You should be ashamed for misrepresenting Jesus like that, we are called to mimic Jesus' personality, and you did the whole opposite. common man
U think with ur own mind Ray thinks with Gods Plain and simple he is following Gods orders rather accurately. If God is truth and Ray has God then what he says is true based on God you can pull up scripture to prove it. But Idunno you don’t seem to have Jesus so how would you even know what Ray does it wrong.
@@chriscobayne2235 Good for him. He could be right and on the side of truth but he shouldnt be shaming Christians by debating people that are way smarter than him and know more about the Bible than he does. Most Christians are blocked off by their tribalist thinking and bad logic and reasoning skills from questioning the Bible the way an atheist open mindedly questions it. These people can continue to be weak Christains with their weak theologies but once again, they shouldn't be debating atheist who are more educated and have questions on the "soft spots" of the bible. A Christian needs to provide a good answer, not just be a blind ignorant fool about it. There's stronger Christians out there who can debate because they know their Bible well. But he should not debate if he doesn't know how to defend his theology
Did Ray really edit out most of Matt's questions at the end?? Along with the rest of the video being heavily edited. Ray straight up dances around every question lmao
"Christianity does not guarantee a smooth flight, but it does guarantee a safe landing."
Well stated.
@@davidhill2444 yessir
That’s real nie 💯
great way to phrase that!
AAAAÀAAAAAAAAMEN!!!!
No such thing as porn addiction... truly sad.. I was addicted to porn for a decade even more. And it was the hardest thing to overcome
I hope that wasn't a pun!
I’m still dealing with that.
I’m addicted to coffee
I’m addicted to the Bible. Wish I could truthfully say that 🤦♂️
@@austinlittle5762 you can do it man~ keep praying~ I overcame it, its like your free from prison slavery. Just remember its not a small sin, God finds sexual immorality absolutely detestable. Porn is a huge weapon for satan and i get pissed that i fell for it for so long.
“What kind of king makes Himself nothing for His people?
The Mighty one.
What kind of king lets His people humiliate and beat Him until He is unrecognizable and is still able to hold His head high?
The Merciful one.
What kind of king hangs Himself on a cross for his people?
The Righteous one.
And because He has done this for us I will make my life a living sacrifice unto Him.”
His name is above all others His name is JESUS!
Joshua Vogler Amen, brother
Amen brother I love that amazing
Amen
Amen brother. The greatest proof of love
Ain't that some preaching!!!!
Why is this labeled a “debate?” It’s literally just Ray preaching *AT* Matt.
Literally says its going to be more like a conversation than a debate👍🏽
@@simonp4832 It's not too similar to a conversation either...
That's pretty much all this guy does to be honest. His proof - 'cuz the bible'
YOU KNOW IN YOUR HEART it is a hot debate!
Actually Matt's the one that does that usually preaches the belief in no God and in reality not very good at his debates I've seen them very debatable
I was abused all through childhood starting at age 3. I turned to drugs and alcohol and men. I became so depressed and suicidal. I self mutilated. I would watch myself cut and not want to be doing it. I was out of control and demonized. I saw dark figures my whole life and was tormented by them. I prayed and believed in God and was still experiencing a dark world. I was on max doses of antidepressants and antipsychotics. Therapists told me they couldnt help me and gave up on me. One day i cried out to God "why arent you protecting me!?" And an image of Jesus came to my mind. I had previously preached He was just a "good man" but called myself a "Christian". I knew in that moment Jesus was who He said He was. I accepted Him and asked Him to come into my heart and forgive me for all my sins which weighed my heart down. And i felt all the darkness leave. It was tangible. I felt love and light for the first time in my life. Its like you don't realize how dirty you were until you get clean. I wasnt depressed anymore. I stopped medication cold turkey without side effects (NOT RECOMMENDING). But my depression was spiritual and demonic. Jesus set me free from all of it.
You cannot prove God and you cant disprove God. But you cant dismiss anyone's testimony or experiences. People need to experience the Living God and they have to want to. Its sad that people grow up in the church with religion and not relationship and it's not demonstrated to them. I hear God speak to my heart and in many other ways. But i had to learn how to recognize his voice. We need to teach others how to do it and demonstrate His power because He lives in us. I've experienced healing and deliverance and seen other experience it through prayers. I have a good marriage, 3 beautiful children, and I am well. Life is not easy by any means but I have The Comforter and His Word and it carries me through. And like a wall that needs maintenance, in continuously growing and getting healthy. Without Jesus, I was dying spiritually and physically. With Him, I am living, healing, and loving and experiencing love on deeper levels. There's nothing that can fulfill us like Him. You'll be lonely and empty even surrounded by people if youre without Him. We get to choose Him. If you find yourself angry with me and my testimony its because there are spirits in you that are being stirred up that are hostile to the Truth and it contradicts what you believe to be true and that's uncomfortable. You cant be too smart/intelligent to believe in God. That's a spirit of pride. Let eyes be opened here, ears be opened and hearts softened. Matt and Ray be blessed in name of Jesus.
Amen sister! Stay strong! And God bless you!
@@curtisfranks2451 that was 16 years ago. Burst of oxytocin doesn't last that long my friend.
Another Liar for Jeesus spotted!
You're a paid church shill with a BS sob story. Sorry luv, nobody buys your crap any longer. You bin exposed
@@drackoni-han13 how would you know?
@@drackoni-han13 if the story was different, let's say she was cured with a medicine , would she be a science "shill" full of bs
My genetics professor once stated to our class of pre-med students "There is no such thing as PROOF in science." Having based my entire education on science, I was stunned by this statement.
He went on to explain. "Because there are an infinite number of facts relative to any situation, no matter how much information we have some of the facts will be missing. This means that the scientific method will produce erroneous results. Good and usable laws, but never complete proof."
After contemplating this statement, I realized that both science and Christian beliefs are based on FAITH.
Later, as I began to observe the ineffable level of complexity and organization of both the universe AND even the sub-atomic structure of physics (which BTW fully contradict the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics) ... I concluded that there must be an intelligent Creator Beyond Time & Space. It physiological to believe that sophisticated organization can come out of Chaos.
I admit, I can't PROVE God to you. But I'm confident you will concur that you can't DISPROVE God to me either.
PROOF is impossible with man. For we are not infinite, and cannot know all the facts.
Yet we can conceive of infinity, and perceive the impossibility of ORDER from CHAOS.
Choose wisely where to put your FAITH. I believe it DICTATES your eternity.
Trust in Jesus.
Last Comment. Dr. Chuck Missler is a genius, literally, and if anyone can provide you with an overwhelming willmeng abundance of scientific EVIDENCE that God exists, and that Jesus Christ is who the Bible says he is, it is him. I am confident that the scientific and logistical evidence he provides you will pierce, if not shatter your Atheism.
Much love and respect, and I mean that sincerely. For I believe Jesus died FOR YOU, hence you have significant value.
Good post I enjoyed it.
I always really liked when Ray spoke of intelligent design. Like how mankind can’t create a grain of sand yet it is also infinitely more complex than anything mankind has ever created, yet if we see what mankind has created we do not doubt that there was an intelligence behind the design. It had a creator.
Glory to God!
Science is based on evidence. Religion is based on blind faith. How dare you claim that science is based on faith?
I miss brother Chuck so much. He showed me things in God's Word that I never heard before.
The structure of the universe doesn’t contradict the second law of thermodynamics.
every athiest has that same look of pride on their face and it reminds me of myself before i was saved
jordan hess I agree, I stated in my comment exactly the same thing, then I read your comment and others which agree with us. Matt has a prideful and arrogant attitude. I pray he will get saved.
2 Timothy 3:6,7: "For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden down with sins, led away with diverse lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
@@deemarie9945 Nah, Ray talks a lot about how no one can save themselves with their own goodness (aka "flapping your arms while falling from a plane"). It's literally what he says to every person he ever witnesses to: "Don't trust your own goodness, trust Jesus". He says that he himself is a wretched sinner in need of a Saviour, and that he does good in gratitude towards God for what God did for him, not what he did for God. I don't see how that is a work-based theology.
Are you saved, Dee Marie? There's no plank in your eye? Can you see? Have you built upon rock or sand, as in: do you do what you have heard by Jesus? Who are you a slave to? What fruit do you produce? You judge Ray on these points in saying he's not saved, and I'm curious if you who judge is without fruit yourself. But I don't know you. God sees your heart, Dee Marie.
The Devil is a better theologian than any of us, including you, and yet he's still a devil. What, therefore, can the difference between a saved man and a devil be? Jesus says: Who he serves, who he is a child of, what kind of fruit he produces, if his house stands firm in a storm or if he falls. Praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Almighty God, the Father, our God forever, amen. Peace.
Before coming to Christ by faith I was an intellectual atheist and no born again Christian will get across me because I will ask them questions that will question their own faith.
Dee Marie : Ray doesn’t believe that his works save him.
Shout out to Ray for uploading him getting absolutely destroyed. Brave
shoutout to lucas ricks for having the courage to show his disgust1ng face on the internet
@@neymarjr_. why so mad 💀🥺
@@АнаДимић cope about it
@@neymarjr_. ain't no hate like Christian love.
It's important to us that he posted something where he didn't do so well. It's dishonest to pretend it always works out in dialogue. This is where it gets strange for believers. They interpret any resistance as an attack. It's OK! to be wrecked in an argument. Part of rational engagement. Everything is gonna be aight. Chill.
Ray: "Were you married?"
Matt: "Yes."
Ray: "Could you be wrong about that?
Matt: "No... now let me clarify. That's not the same as asserting absolute certainty. I'm doing it within the context of knowledge within the world."
Ray: "Well that's what I'm doing."
LOL. Shots fired.
(58:40)
What Matt was trying to say is that “if the world is real and we do exist then yes I was” if that’s what ray is doing then that means ray is saying “if God exists and he created the universe and died for us then I know him” I’m not trying to shame you or anything like that just explaining what he meant 😊
You pick it up too??
😆
I was like oooohhhhhhhh
@@fernandocampos8394 it's still simple Matt marriage is like his Christianity it was a lie
Absolute certainty based on what, logic? That just a bunch of Neurons and chemicals firing off. If your reasoning which is immaterial isn’t grounded but you use it to ground other things than you’re an idiot. Too severe? By what subjective standard? 🤣
Heeeeeeheeeeehreee
Ive seen this entire discussion on another channel. This is edited to such a degree that I'm embarrassed for your channel. Disgraceful
Not surprising, I just found this guy's channel today and after 2 videos, I can already tell how manipulative and dishonest he is, he doesn't care about truth or having productive conversations, he just wants to be right
True story I was re watching the debate on this chanel for the second time and wondered where some of the arguments went.
I try to remain objective and remember how I thought when I believed. I think Mr. Comfort is probably a helluva guy and I don't mean to come off like a jerk. Editing a debate...? I dunno man..
Can someone direct to the unedited version please
@@fezzinnit I think you can find it at modern day debate. I know Matt has it on his channel. Watch it in its entirety and you'll see how ridiculously edited this is.
Someone explained to me, "before your kids are born, you know they're going to sin/misbehave, but we still want them & love them unconditionally.
What exactly is your question? Just because my kids will sin doesn't mean that I don't want them to live. If they live with Jesus they will have a great life while walking with Him.
That is the same way the Lord is with his children God loves everyone but hates sin and no what you do if you are a child of God then you can ask for forgiveness and as a good parent he just to give us of our sins
@@raymondthomason9761 lol, is that why God sends his children to be anagonizingly torchered for all eternity? Is it gods plan to premeditate the burning in eternal hell fire for all eternity of his children, even though none of his children are able to comprehend his plan and could have created a world in which no eternal torcher occurs? Sounds like an immoral god not worth worship even if he existed.
Nick Boismenu People go to hell because of their sin, God is a God of justice, He can’t let sin go unpunished, it’s not fair if God let’s murderers and rapists go to heaven just because, and it’s not fair if He let’s us go to heaven even though we’ve sinned against Him, we’ve all lied, stolen, blasphemed Him name, disobeyed our parents, etc. and Heaven is a completely pure place where no sin is allowed, but God didn’t want us to go to hell, so He sent His Son down to earth to die for all our sins, so we don’t have to go to hell where we deserve to go, but we can accept that free gift by repenting, turning away from our sin and trusting in Jesus Christ who died for us. It’s our choice to choose Jesus or to go our own way that leads to destruction
@@ianntmy you know in your heart god isnt real
Matt actually did the honest thing and uploaded the whole thing unmolested.
That's a hint as to who here is more prone to lying.
Matt is the on that lies and sends out a satanic message
@@sladegrey9272
“100%”
“Score them a win”
Are you sure it’s 100% because what can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence! Also It’s really not about winning as theists are genuinely concerned and worried about the attempt to ground morality/values in the materialistic paradigm. It just can’t be done and has the potential to do harm as it is a contradiction in terms. You can’t ground the qualitative subjective experience of reality such as morals and ethics in the quantitative language of science or to be more specific the materialistic paradigm it just becomes utilitarianism rebranded and we don’t want Peter Singer taking us down that road again. It would be without meaning and you would reach an absurdity like the logical positivists did when they attempted to refute metaphysical concepts as it ironically undermined important aspects of science itself. Religious rituals, customs and traditions can come across as strange and weird but the rituals and language are not that dissimilar to Buddhism in their mystical nature but Buddhism is considered quite fashionable and cool for the secular traveller. One hundred thousand Christians are still dying every year because of religious persecution due to hateful propaganda. You only have to look at all the atheist regimes such as the Congo for evidence. Equally, Literally tens of millions of lives were lost in places like Russia due to Stalin’s anti religious policies. The secular world seems to be completely oblivious.
@@georgedoyle7971 If the abrahamic god existed he would be possible to demonstrate outside reference to the biblical texts.
Because there is no evidence for the Christian god outside biblical text, it is reasonable to conclude that the Christian god only exists as a concept in the Bible.
Therefore, Christianity isn’t belief in god it is belief in the Bible.
Facts why chop it up if you are right?
@@georgedoyle7971 those lives were not lost in any way related to the anti religious policies lol. You are so dishonesy
"But without Faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God Must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who Diligently seek Him". Heb.11:6
... not to be confused with those who Dillahuntly seek him...😁
@@johnboehmer6683 well done👏🤣
Faith is to believe that which is not evidently true. You know who benifits the most from faith? Liars.
@@DruzaCardonikc so true, and there's liars coming out of the woodwork from every direction imaginable in our existence... Who to believe? That is why it is contingent upon each and every person to simply seek God for self. His promise is that as you seek him, you will find him. From a person that simply wants salvation, willing to acknowledge who he is, he will no longer hide from you friend, and you don't have to worry about the liars. I have found this out for myself, he does reveal himself in a tangible way if you're just willing to turn away from sin, and receive him as Lord.
@@DruzaCardonikc ...Faith is the substance of things Hoped for, the evidence of things not Seen, Heb.1:1
Btw, How many lies have you told?...1-10 or many? Whats that make you? ...a liar! Were do liars end up?...in the Lake of fire, Rev.21:8 so whats the benefit of a liar when his time is up? ...None "For what shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul", Mark 8:36.
oh poor man.... Ray wasn't trying to beat you, he was trying to save you~
Ray would gladly "lose" toy save your soul~
@@deemarie9945 eternañ security is heresy john 15:2
Ray can’t save his soul?
Dee Marie the Bible warns countless times about falling from grace
@@deemarie9945That just isn't right. Works do not save a person and Ray does not teach salvation by them. Only Jesus does that. Repentance is what Jesus taught and is not a work. It is not a good work to try and earn the salvation. We do good works because we are saved. Not to become saved. If we have not good works, we need to ask if we were really saved to start with. Repentance (changing mind to turn away from sin) is not a work anymore than believing is a work. Repentance is what allows a person to get close to the blood of Jesus because before, sin was pushing it away. Baptism is how we actually access that blood and through repentance, Jesus can blot out our sin because we are not constantly doing the devil's work, but his. Repentance is what allows us to stop the devil's deeds. Jesus said sinners are of their father, the devil. His offspring cannot go on sinning because they have God's seed.
@@deemarie9945 what is it specifically that you believe Ray is wrong about? (I dont have time right not to watch the video) If you could let me know I'd be grateful. God bless
Question: How do you know the bible is right when all other religions also claim to be right in their holy text.
Answer: The bible.
Classic.
A= encounter
Mike, at first pass, your reasoning is true. However the Bible, as God’s word, has no higher authority to reference. So it had to reference itself.
Occasionally you run across similar things, “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal...”. ‘Self evident’ is circular reference.
The Bible was written over a 1500 year period by 30+ authors. Detail study (not Hollywood impressions, or knuckleheadpedia) reveals a consistency of message and logic and meshing unmatched in human works. A common error is reading from a human viewpoint, not God’s.
Regards CC
@@danbenson7587 but the Bible is, in fact, inconsistent and steals from other works And religions that predate it. And saying that the bible is true because the bible says that the bible is true is not an argument for the claim that the God of the bible is real.
Crunchy Soda have you read the bible to make such a statement?
@@sdizzy4135 Yes. It's a big reason why I'm an atheist after many years of being Christian. I was finally curious enough to actually read it and found much of it laughable. This was followed by embarrassment of ever having followed such ridiculous crap.
Mans said, 'There is no such thing as porn addiction' that is one of the most outlandish statements I have heard today.
He lost credibility as soon as he said that. My first thought is this man is self deceived. How can he not know this at his age?
Hey Ray. I’m probably the only moderator on Modern-Day Debate who was on your side. I’ve followed you for a few years and I’m glad you handled his anger as well as you have with others. I remember the chat constantly saying “ show me proof” or hurr durr “sky daddy”. I like bring Aquinas 5 proofs of good. It shuts them up oh so quickly.... until the next religious debates. Planting a seed, even in the dry desert, can produce beautiful flowers. I won’t stop watering the seeds my brothers such as you have planted. Great showing Ray.
Adjacent Philosophy God bless you.
Living Waters god bless you too Ray.
@@LivingWaters I haven't watched the entire debate or q&A yet but the part where matt wants you to prove or describe your relationship with God and how do you know for sure would be to explain how the Holy Spirit changes us from the inside out and takes away our sinful desires and replaces them with a thirst for righteousness and what is good! We know that God is real because of our own changed hearts and lives! like you always say it's our own personal miracle and it can't be explained to an unbeliever!! God will reveal himself to all who have a humble heart and ask the Lord to come and change them
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' "Well," says one, "I quarrel with the Bible." Do you?
The only real argument against the Bible is an unholy life. When a man argues against the word of God, follow him home, and see if you cannot discover the reason of his enmity to the word of the lord. It lies in some form of sin. '
- C.H. Spurgeon
Absolutely awesome quote. And I believe it's also another reason why professing Christians don't witness to others. Their lifestyle prevents it. How am I going to tell someone that their sin will send them to hell if I'm doing the same things I'm bringing up to this potential convert? So much the same as quarreling with the Bible, quarreling with evangelism fits the quote as well. Good stuff brother. Thank you.
Amen to both of your wise comments! God bless yall!
@Dee Marie repentance means change of mind. You will stumble at times but you should change into a more Christlike behaviour. Paul says to walk as he walked. James says faith without works is dead. You are preaching the hyper grace gospel, which is another gospel. God bless you.
People don't come to the light out of fear of there evil deeds being exposed. It's sin people love there sin
@@garyg7549 I believe another reason people don't talk about the gospel is lack of genuine salvation, when we are saved we have the gift of the holy spirit and with our obediance God will equip up and give us boldness and security to speak the gospel
This man is so full of pride... it's kind of hard to watch.
Greta English , I was tense the whole time.
I know 😔
I know, it was cringey watching Ray as it only took 83 minutes for him to finally break down and admit he doesn’t think he can be wrong, and that he doesn’t actually have to prove anything, that he doesn’t have to show any evidence for his claims. That is called dishonesty. That is pathetic.
What was hard to watch is Ray doing an awful job with this debate. Matt owned him from start to finish !!
Pride goes before a destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall.
Ray has a wonderful grasp of geometry his arguments are perfect circles.
Perfect circles with nothing in them.
Too bad for Matt, he have no circles at all. He have nothing to offer. Atheism are for stupid people.
Yes, that's right. Because circularity is the reality no one can escape. All frameworks ultimately refer back to themselves, you see. That would be Goeddel's incompleteness theorem.
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A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Whys it wrong to ask for a sign? Abraham asked for a sign. Is he wicked?
@@devjono It talks about the generation being wicked, it's not because they ask for a sign that makes them wicked.
@@Ryan-fp4gc thanks Ryan for your comment but its not what Keith said.
@@devjono
Jesus said what I quoted and Abraham was before the time of Jonah.
Jesus was responding to the scribes and Pharisees who asked him for a sign.
Abraham is a model of faith as he was counted righteous because of his faith and God's laws are written on his heart.
Abraham is certainly not wicked.
But the context what Jesus is saying follows a biblical timeline.
Read the entire text to understand the meaning.
Imagine meeting the Son Of God in person and asking him for a sign? I mean to me isn't the sign is RIGHT IN FRONT YOU , Imagine how hurt Jesus felt at the time being asked for a sign.
biblehub.com/bsb/matthew/12.htm
@@TheAgentAssassin let me ask this. Is God the same today and tomorrow? So one generation who asked for a sign was ok but then another generation its wrong to ask for a signs?
And Jesus's brother didnt believe him and yet he still recieved a sign as Jesus said -
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
So they still recieved a sign. Just not their signs they were demanding him to do.
Ive asked for signs and God has given them and gave signs/dreams I didnt ask for.
What was the context to this verse? Cause we see Earlier Jesus healed someone infront of the Pharisees. Luke 5: 17-39
Was Jesus maybe miffed cause he had given them more than enough signs?
It must be a very sad life this man lives. Not wanting to accept Christ or his Word must be a miserable thing. God bless everyone reading this ; in Jesus Christ’s name!
p v okay, thank you for your insight. God bless you too! 😊
@@JR-nv4pe
2 Timothy 3 Sounds familiar to those who deny the elephant in the room... What is moral.
*"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."*
@@JR-nv4pe ♥️
@TragiiiKz that's disgusting talk. Atheists are welcome here.
It's abundantly clear that this man is very angry, and unhappy. Peace only comes to those that have faith in Christ. I know this first hand. I was a drug addict for 30 years, and I was constantly trying to find happiness, and contentment. I only found it when I gave my life to Christ.
Ray. The next time someone uses a “convince me” argument use this rebuttal: ask if they know Hank Aaron or Babe Ruth. Most people have heard of them. Ask them if they know that they hit over 700 home runs. They will say that they know that they both hit over 700 home runs. Then ask them how they were convinced? They will probably reply that they read it in record books or some other publication. Than ask them if they actually saw with their own eyes all 700 plus home runs? No one alive today has seen in person all of their home runs actually in person They were convinced by someone writing down a statistic to prove that it happened. No one has seen with their own eyes every home rum by every player who ever lived. But we believe the stats because it is written in a paper or a book or elsewhere. The people who lived in biblical times who saw what Jesus did or said wrote down their experiences yet most will say “ I’m not convinced, I need to see it”. People will have faith in something some so menial yet when it comes to their life and salvation people need to “see it”.
Tony C I hate when Matt already says that Devine or supernatural claims require incredible amounts of evidence. Well when compared to other people in history, the evidence for Jesus Christ, his life, crucifixion and resurrection is unbelievable! It’s a historical jackpot how early everything’s been written on top of how much was written on top of non believers who also wrote about Jesus, on top of James and Paul who had no reason to start believing in Jesus without a resurrection! There is no way the bible isn’t true and all anyone has to do is take a little time and look at the evidence. How would Matt reconcile the fact that Isaiah was written some 500 BC and writes about a messiah born of a virgin and then it happens. Or King Cyrus! There are non biblical contemporaries who wrote about Jesus claiming to be the Son of God and being crucified for same as well as having followers who claimed he did miracles and that he rose again! I feel so sorry for Matt!
erm, you can write down scores of games you personally watch. That's not a big deal. Apart from in the bible, when has anyone ever written down miracles from God?
That is a good argument. And another is this, if their is a design then there is a Designer. Out of nothing, nothing comes( DR. RC SPROUL, DR. ERWIN LUTZER)
@@anabellesabangan7565 so where is the design?
@@eazyrat
Very bad... Parting the red sea and thousands more, people being healed from blindness. Etc.
Eyewitnesses, even the Pharisees attested in Jesus Christ, they held a tribunal to execute him.
You didn't think that one through did you?
Matt is wearing different color shirts, the video is pieced together from multiple debates. That is not the only video where Ray misrepresents debates to make others look like they are behaving irrationally, only for not believing in this religion out of the thousands that exist here.
One is from the actual debate and one is from the debate review Matt did. I don’t see the big deal.
“Ray misrepresents debates”
“Only for not believing in this religion”
The only person who is a master of misrepresentation here is Matt Dilahunty. He’s famous for using rhetoric, ambiguity, cheap shots and his great memory to misrepresent and demonise moderate religious believers and his opponents during debates. “Only for not believing in” atheism and for believing instead in the value and validity of freedom of religious expression. Selling certainty to materialists and atheists by promoting religious stereotypes is a precious commodity and Matt makes a six figure sum running this divisive cynical business. He even presents an atheist TV show that indirectly promotes intolerance, bigotry and ignorance. Even atheists can’t bear to watch or stomach his programs. Atheism is supposed to be just an harmless “non belief” in God or gods but it has clearly evolved into a highly sophisticated, propagandised, dogmatic, ideological quasi religion. And it’s absolute claims to “truth” whilst ironic are an obvious threat to freedom of religious expression without being demonised including a threat to our basic human rights.
(Ray) “You do know it’s wrong to lie don’t you”
(Two second pause)
(Matt) “I don’t know that it’s always wrong to lie. I know that it’s situationally wrong to lie. For example if Anne Franks up in my attic and the Nazis come knocking on my door to ask me if there’s any Jews in my attic I’m going to lie. I’m going to lie and say no. Would you agree that’s a good thing.“ ?
(No pause)
(Ray) “Genesis says that the midwives were smiled upon by God because they lied to Pharaoh about the children who were being born because they didn’t want to commit murder. I’d hide Anne Frank also so I’m with you there.”
Ray didn’t hesitate for a second here and Matts expression was priceless. Ray responded brilliantly to Matts cynical, opportunistic and dishonest use of the horrific experiences of a child in the Nazi death camps. It was an appalling rhetorical question and appeal to emotion “would you agree that’s a good thing”. ? Nevertheless, this was like water off a ducks back to Ray as he’s come across this kind of pretence, rhetoric and feigned compassion and empathy to score points before. Matts followers who are addicted to engaging in this kind of sophistry, arrogance and intellectual blood sports normally flood the comments section at this point with hateful comments and claims that Matt won. Even if Matt did win using cheap shots, sophistry and the tragic suffering and death of a child what exactly did he win. ?
What’s sad is that Matt is actually trying to undermine the only thing that helped Anne Frank cope with the evil Nazi death camps. Her belief in the qualitative subjective experience of reality such as love, altruism, bravery, beauty, morals, ethics, meaning and purpose, that is the belief in the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness/the human spirit/theism/the prime mover/. This was the only hope and consolation that Anne Frank had left. The belief in “that of which nothing greater can be conceived.” (Love) (Anselmo d'Aosta).
These heart rending quotes from Anne Frank speak volumes regarding her faith and respect for other people’s metaphysical beliefs and her belief that there is goodness love and a divine spark in all of us what ever our religion......
“Everyone has inside of him a piece of good news. The good news is that you don’t know how great you can be! How much you can love! What you can accomplish! And what your potential is!” (Anne Frank).
“The best remedy for those who are frightened, lonely or unhappy is to go outside, somewhere they can be alone, alone with the sky, nature and God. For then and only then can you feel that everything is as it should be and that God wants people to be happy amid nature's beauty and simplicity,
As long as this exists, and that should be forever, I know that there will be solace for every sorrow, whatever the circumstances. I firmly believe that nature can bring comfort to all who suffer.” (Anne Frank).
“People who have a religion should be glad, for not everyone has the gift of believing in heavenly things. You don't necessarily even have to be afraid of punishment after death; purgatory, hell, and heaven are things that a lot of people can't accept, but still a religion, it doesn't matter which, keeps a person on the right path. It isn't the fear of God but the upholding of one's own honor and conscience. How noble and good everyone could be if, every evening before falling asleep, they were to recall to their minds the events of the while day and consider exactly what has been good and bad. Then, without realizing it you try to improve yourself at the start of each new day; of course, you achieve quite a lot in the course of time. Anyone can do this, it costs nothing and is certainly very helpful. Whoever doesn't know it must learn and find by experience that: "A quiet conscience makes one strong.” (Anne Frank).
“It’s difficult in times like these: ideals, dreams and cherished hopes rise within us, only to be crushed by grim reality. It’s a wonder I haven’t abandoned all my ideals, they seem so absurd and impractical. Yet I cling to them because I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.
What is done cannot be undone, but one can prevent it happening again.
I don’t think of all the misery but of the beauty that still remains.”
“Whoever is happy will make others happy too.“
“I don't think you can really put it into words. Love is understanding someone, caring for him, sharing his joys and sorrows.”
(Anne Frank The Diary of a Young Girl). And people like Matt Dilahunty have the arrogance to claim that angels have never existed ❤️
@@eeeddddddiiieee
Well said! I totally agree with you.
It's heavily biased, so much for a fair 'debate'
why do athiest waste their lives debating Christians if there is no God? The Christian is trying to save yall from hell. What yall trying to do? Save insane people? But doesnt that make u also insane?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm:14:1
@David Deloso
Also, add to that Romans 3:10
None are righteous, No not one.
@@deemarie9945
You didn't hear Ray Comfort talk about Grace to Matt Dilahunty? 🤔
I do recall Ray saying that it is a free gift and not of works.
I guess you missed it.
Your version could be boiled down to Rick Warren.
Ray shows that the sinner is lost without Jesus with the 10 Commandments.
BTW, Ray was also showing the Gospel, again, to Matt.
Jesus Christ is salvation.
Ephesians 2:8-9
@@MoxxMix
Very bad comparison.
However, If Spider man were real you'd be on his list of bad people.
A fool can figure it out, what does that say for you?
@@chrisworthman3191
Says that I'm not a fool.
Jesus Christ was God in Flesh.. Immanuel (God with us).
Your basis of your post is antagonistic to God, I'd figure that you're just an antagonistic person... A fool that says there is no God.
Also, whatever it is that you hold as your god.. Pride in yourself, pornography, some cultural personality, etc., you worship, that is your god.
Let's just say that if you think that all living came from a rock, you're a fool.
"Theres no such thing as porn addiction" what?
The denial is real. 🙄
Haha they are so busy defending what they say, it's incredible, let down your guard and have a sane conversation
I am a porn addict, and it's shameful because I am a woman
@@mahlatsimoroka1500 I was a porn addict too for a very long time and I am a woman too. I struggled for a very long time. It´s different for anyone but if you need help feel free to ask. For me it was a spiritual warfare.
@@monamuller8969 🙏🙏🙏😭😭😭
Matt Dillahunty was doing his best to cover up the fact that he wants there to be no God not that there is no God! You can see how uncomfortable he was!
Exactly, and Ray did perfect by sharing the gospel. its not intelligence, Matt and athiests DO NOT want there to be a God.
@p v - Your long rant is based on ignorance!
1st God is the Author of all life and He alone can take any life whenever it pleases Him!
2nd God is not punishing the children FOR the sin of the parents but because the parents sinned they were judged and they brought their own children into it. It is like a woman on crack bring her Kim's to a drug dealers house and their is gunshots and the children die, whose fault is it? The Mom's!
3 Adam's sin is not what we are judged for! We are judged for the sins we commit! Let me see if I can help you understand this. If a father is a drunkard most of the time He will raise children who are drunkards as well. Why? Because that is the behavior the parent modeled for them. The parents taught their children to drink and they followed their parents example.
4. Are you pro-choice? Please answer so we can see your hypocrisy!
@p v - The God you reject will one day call your name and you will come before His judgment seat. The books will be opened and you will be judge according to your works. Since you are a Christ rejector you will suffer an eternity in Hell-Fire unless you repent and receive the LORD Jesus Christ as your Savior and your God!
p v - You struggled didn’t you? You are like Matt. You hate God so much that you ignore what was said and just want to argue! If God does not exist what are you ranting about? Your own hatred proves the existence of God! Do you rant about there being no Santa Clause, no! Why? Because he doesn’t exist! But God keeps you up late at night ranting on RUclips!
If a man drives a get away car to a bank robbery and never gets out of the car yet one of his “friends” shoots a person in the bank is he charged with murder as well? Yes! If the Mom had not taken her child to a violent place they would not have been harmed! The parents put the children in harms way by their disobedience. For example if you have children you are teaching them to hate God! As a result of you teaching them to hate God most likely, tragically, they will! You will be the cause of their judgement one day!
You are pro-life and against a woman’s right to choose, yeah right!
Crap.
My friend got saved listening to this pod cast! Thank you Ray!
Praise God amen!…
Then he didn't listen.
"To say that I'm wrong about atheism is absolutely arrogant" (rough paraphrase) when he tells Christians they're wrong about Christianity all the time. Something sounds wrong about that to me.
Exactly. I wonder if there would be a diagnosis if he were taken to a psychologist.
@@deemarie9945 Oh, I'm a Christian. I typed out my comment pretty fast, so I probably should've said, "That sounds hypocritical and logically fallacious to me." I appreciate you reaching out, though.
What don't you understand about that statement?
Ray told Matt that he doesn't believe Matt is an atheist. Matt believes Ray is a christian, but not that Christianity is true. Those are different things.
@@kiralawliet5612 His gripe was that he was telling him that he was "wrong about what atheism *is."* At about 30:23, Dillahunty is angered that Ray was telling him what atheism means. Ray had just told Dillahunty that "atheism is believing the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything," a point which Ray didn't back down on, and that is the context of Matt's statement we're talking about here. Furthermore, Matt would be making a non-sequitur if he was concluding the explicit quote from what you said (it is no way necessitated (or necessarily even probable) that it followed from what you said that Ray believed that atheism is something different (or that it is different)).
I have a relationship with the risen christ
Dee Marie I do think ray is preaching the true gospel because he quotes the 4 gospels of Jesus Christ
Dee Marie Repentance and Faith go hand in hand this is elementary doctrine
Hebrews 6
1Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God
Sadly you are mistaken Dee Marrie the Gospel that was presented is of Scripture
1 Corinthians 15 is the Gospel Jesus Christ died for our sin taking our punishment, rose from the dead defeating death.
In reaponse we all need to repent and put our faith in Jesus Christ
Dee Marie
1. If you have repented of your sins
2. Believe in Jesus death and bodily resurrection on the third day
3. Place your faith and trust upon Jesus Christ for your salvation alone
Dee Marie how are Ray’s teachings different than BBN’s?
Me too!!! GLORY TO GOD!!!!!!!
This is a video of Ray getting completely destroyed.
@LemonGameshark more like, "spot on."
@LemonGameshark biased towards logic and reasoning; towards reality. Yes.
@LemonGameshark haha. I'm deceived because you think there's a supernatural being controlling everything. Shut up and pray for me, or whatever you do to make yourself feel better.
LemonGameshark god is pretty much unprovable, so anyone who tries to prove it looks dumb. I mean, you can try, but there really is no way to prove his existence
@@brysongammer769 Turn from sin and ask GOD to reveal himself HUMBLY and TRUTHFULLY and watch what happens.. thats your proof but many dont want to do that AT ALL so they completely deny the very GOD who's against their sin, doesn't change the fact that JESUS is still God and showed himself for the world.
As an agnostic that hasn't counted out Christianity completely I feel that Ray Comfort is in general a relatively nice person. That being said I find it disgraceful the way he and so many other Christians edit their videos to make non-believers look bad. If you don't have honesty you have nothing. Guys like Ray are the reason young people are leaving the church. If Christians have to edit videos and disable comments they've already lost the battle. There's no logical reason why Ray Comfort can't leave the debate in its original format unless he is willingly trying to deceive people.
I thought similar
Thank you man.
I'm a Christian and I'm disappointed in ray for not being able to answer the questions, I'm able to answer all of them and you know how many people probably turned away from God cuz of this interview
Can you answer them then? I'm an agnostic atheist and always have been since I was a child and recently I've been questioning atheism which I think most people should challenge the beliefs they grew up with and if your answers make logical sense and stand up to scrutiny then I'll be convinced.
@@karlazeen what you want me to answer man
"And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit. Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." James 5:15 - 20
As I listened to Matt and Ray, we shouldn't, as Christians, just let Brother Ray to be alone on the front lines of this Spiritual battle. We should also do our part as well. According to the Scriptures that I have posted, we should pray fervently (which means having or displaying a passionate intensity), there are much that we can do. So we should keep in prayer for many things, such as:
1) Matt Dillahunty for the Lord to stir and convict his heart and that he responds to the Gospel and gets saved. He heard the Gospel, but he shrugged it off. But Isaiah 55:11a says "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void." Ray used the Scriptures, so it will not return void. Let's pray that the seed will grow in his heart and will produce fruit.
2) Matt Dillahunty's followers so that they hear the Gospel and will respond to it. As far as I could see, there are over 135,000 people that are subscribed to his channel. Can you imagine if they all got saved? Or even 10% of them at least? Let's pray honestly, diligently, and fervently for God to reach down to these people too.
3) Ray Comfort to not gets discouraged after this debate. A lot of it was hard to sit through and watch, because Matt made accusations upon accusations to Ray. It can be discouraging afterwards. I know I would be. But let's keep praying that Satan's work will not have any affect on Ray.
I am planning until the end of this month to spend a bit out of my day to pray for these things and more. But I must ask: Would any Christians want to take the challenge and do the same?
I would love to be praying for Matt! Because I was like Matt, one time in my life! My mother prayed, and God listened!
Through this entire debate we can clearly see who REALLY was ARROGANT!!
@@deemarie9945 Ray doesn't preach a false gospel. He doesn't preach a salvation of works but a salvation of Grace.
@@iceblaze3043 Even if he didn't verbally, he is showing his faith by his works.
@@danbrown9102 Is it wrong to show faith by works. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus and show it by our works. Correct
@@iceblaze3043 NO. James 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. We are saved by grace, but we show that salvation through our works that show we have faith in Jesus.
@@danbrown9102 what did I say?
Yes I agree I was just about to quote the same verse.
Did ray say differently?
In the case of the "rich young ruler," Jesus isn't saying that all everyone has to do is sell all their possessions to get into heaven, He's pointing out that we shouldn't let worldly things prevent us from following God, that we shouldn't put worldly things ahead of God. He was using a specific example to illustrate a general concept.
Not everyone is wise or smart enough to understand parables and poetry. Satan wont let them. The blind lead the blind into thinking they can see, and its everyone else who is in error. I like to examine the product of lives(character, lifestyle, expression, compassion, selflessness, etc...) if it seems mundane or cynical, I dont want it
You would think that an all knowing being would be capable of "inspiring" humans to write stuff that doesn't take a PhD in theology to understand. If he really wanted people to "know" him, he may make himself a little more obvious. Spare me all the apologetics about having to seek him and all that, most of us atheists spent many years doing just that. The truth shouldn't need apologetics. The other glaring flaw with using the bible as some kind of spiritual guide book that was inspired by a deity is, there is no information in that book that could have only come from a deity. This would be like a Mormon telling you that your book is ok, but there's is the real deal. They both have the exact same amount of evidence and that is a problem for some people.
@@brandonbartz3718 I don't have a PhD in theology. I have a BFA in Art. I have been to several churches which include various denominations including Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, Episcopalian, and non-denominational (those are merely churches that aren't part of a larger organization, like being an independent rather than a Democrat or Republican), and I've heard this particular passage in most of those as it's a popular one, and until now I hadn't heard it so misinterpreted. I can understand someone completely outside the Christian faith misinterpreting it, particularly if they are reading the King James version, given the general lack of critical thinking that people tend to demonstrate when reading anything these days, but both Ray and Matt should know this portion of scripture better. Ray because he is a Christian and supposedly studies scripture, and Matt because he was a former Christian who apparently had designs on becoming a pastor. And, like I said, this is a popular bit of scripture for pastors and priests to preach on, so I find it hard to believe neither of them have heard it explained as I explained it.
For laughs and an illustration of our general lack of ability to properly understand what we hear and read compare to our past, check out this video: m.ruclips.net/video/l_UegL1R3X8/видео.html
What's your evidence?
Prove jesus.
Shame on you guys for editing this video so bad.
Wheres the original video?
Literally, Matt’s video is 1 min longer than Rays? How is it edited?
Boy Matt was touchy this time around.
He’s truly upset and is fighting conviction
@herbielina To be honest, this was one of his more cordial engagements with a presuppositionalist.
He was very agitated and the reasons were alluded to in the q & a session as referenced in the Word of God.
Romans 1:28
Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done.
29Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness , sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling,
deception,
malicious behavior, and gossip. 30They are backstabbers,
haters of God,
insolent,
proud,
and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents.
31They refuse to understand,
break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. 32They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway.
Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.”
The Bible though thousands of years old, just a book, has perfectly diagnosed Matt’s heart in real time.
That in and of itself is miraculous.
Nunya Business
Amen. 🙌🏼
Brando
I sure would like to find Matt’s deconstruction testimony.
I feel pretty sure one of Satan’s minion; Richard Dawkin’s early books had something to do with it.
He was getting mad because he hates liars
Matt this is where you’re wrong on the gospel so far.
At 11:10 you said “ Jesus dies and is reborn. “
Jesus was never born again because he never had any sin to begin with. He died. But he was resurrected not reborn. Just like you had nothing to do with your own birth those who are born again don’t have that role either. But by God‘s elect calling and drawing them to be born again. Jesus is God - He raised himself from the dead.
The Jesus you believed in is a false Christ, another gospel, one that cannot save you. You were never a Christian.
1 John 2:19 ESV “ They went out from us but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would have remained with us. But they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.“
Unfortunately you were just another false convert. You never came all the way. To Christ.
i see a lot atheist say they was a christian i went football practice in showed up to the games in team meeting but didnt mean i enjoyed i did boxing showed up to all the fight and events again does not mean i enjoyed i was doing cause my parents wanted me to do it most atheist if they was christian they was christians they was either forced into it or they did for someone else in not themselves.
Still, he has led more people to Christ than you and me could ever do sitting in homes comfortably.
Anupama Tirkey ....And to what reward is that to which he reaps? More importantly, and to which Christ has he led them to?
The one that’s born again?
That’s the problem all over again. For him to make a claim attesting to his good works as a Christian, is kind of a moot point when he wasn’t really one at all to begin with.
Therefore we can have no confidence that all or any of them were led to Christ. It would be by the grace of God that the Lord might draw them to Himself.
I think it’s also kind of silly to insinuate such a knowledge claim that you’ve made. You don’t even know me personally. So how can you even say such a thing? The one that you can speak on behalf of is yourself, and that’s it.
Trp Account Thanks for accurately quoting the passage… evidently my voice to text does not work so well with memory verses. Who knew? Good looking out on your part and good on ya!
@@jeremiahyeo5863 It's your self righteous attitude and ego that's not letting you see anything beyond what you perceive to be right. When I said he led, I didn't mean he worked it all out, obviously It's the Holy Spirit that convicts us not man. But Jesus commanded to spread the good news and he is doing that. Different people do it differently. As long as it's backed in the Bible, it's going to work.
As far as the word reborn is concerned, he's not God and is bound to make mistakes. But insinuating that he leads people to wrong Jesus and is not rightfully a Christian based on that one word is outrightly absurd.
I think you haven't seen the backlash he has faced from non-believers. I don't think you have seen people spitting on him and his team for sharing the gospel. I don't think you have seen people insulting him for sharing the gospel. He's more Christian right now than you and me. I said you one thing, that could be wrong as you're saying and you got triggered. You don't know me, and you were triggered by one thing. I only didn't like the way you said he's leading people to wrong Jesus which is wrong. God bless you brother.
God is love, he allows everyone to have their freewill and by freewill to sin and freewill to be saved.
That’s actually not true...
@@jackgtx440 why?
@@Thomasshellby11 Those who are saved are predestined to be so - chosen to be saved. Those who are not are not predestined to be so. (in Romans)
If you're going to talk about scripture could you please quote it. God is all-knowing All-Seeing he knows who is going to use their free will to choose one way or the other. But we don't. We can only speak for ourselves using our free will.
Bobby Gunn Romans 8:29: "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters."
Okay but Matt made very good and valid points that everyone in the biased comments seem to be ignoring.
It's a Christian channel, what do you expect? Christians don't know how to actually view other positions as valid.
Most of the comments are for may
You mean like his Dillahunty disciples.
We need to pray for Matt guys, rather than saying what he is and what he isn’t and what he isn’t doing and why he isn’t doing it, let’s pray for his salvation.
This man needs God to meet him in a powerful way. He would be a great tool in bringing people to Christ if he was saved.
Agree nothing is impossible with the God of the bible. Debates don't do anything but Grace through faith is effective.
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I don’t know if you noticed but Matt is under so much conviction and that’s where all his anger is coming from.
Matt really knows there is a God deep down inside and he’s been fighting it for years because God will not be the God he wants him to be rather than who he is.
Guys.. Stop with your prayers for MATT... Aren't there more pressing issues in the world than you wanting to convert MATT? We have babies dying of natural disasters around the world..Kids dying of disease, famine, draught, floods, earthquakes etc.. Why don't your gods concentrate on helping these babies instead of trying to convince MATT to become a mythical christian?
smh
The Aviationist.
One of you and all your atheist buddies minister to all the groups that you just spoke of, if not, you’re in no position to judge
This guy just said no such thing as porn addiction sounds like he is a addicted
I think he's on his 2nd or 3rd marriage.
3rd time the charm?
Maybe this one likes Porn?.. 😉
That’s when I stopped even considering his opinion
there's actually scientific evidence of porn addiction! he lost a lot of credibility right there for me..
@@wesleygriffiths8496
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Matt Dilahunty is a fraud.
Matt Dillahunty is also pro-prostitution, because the girlfriends he chose are from the same industry. He is a disgusting man. No self-control, only carnal desires. As we also witnessed with the Cosmic Skeptic debate with Matt. He only thought about food and meat and was completely inconsistent, because he only thinks about himself. Egoist.
It's nearly midnight and I was _finally_ about to sleep, then this notification popped up 😭 I've got to watch this tomorrow! 👏🏾
Where are you in the world? It's 7:00 here in North Carolina
Me too. But I'm watching this now for sure.
@@middlegroundlogic it is probably Germany cause it is 1am here.
It's 4:06 pm here 👍 in Arizona
Why do you hear updates when you are trying to sleep? MUTE.
As a Christian, I do believe that Matt was making good points and the video and the editing by Living Waters made me uncomfortable. Nevertheless, I still will be a Christian because as I was sitting alone in my car today, I asked myself if there was another good thing to live for. I tried to find pleasure in things, I tried to pursue something of value in this life. But I came to the conclusion that there is nothing of true value in this world that can satisfy like Jesus satisfies my soul. In the apostle Paul's letter to the church in Philippians he writes, "I press on to take hold of that which Christ Jesus took hold of me." Christ Jesus took hold of me. I don't know how any Atheist can find something of value in the world that has any lasting significance.
I agree as it made me uncomfortable as well. Why does Ray fail to give this man any props for having a different opinion especially when he was actually making sense. My faith is strong enough because of my relationship with Christ and the joy that it has brought me that I am okay if someone else says something that I cant answer. I think Ray could have done better.
It took me an hour to realize this wasn't posted by the ACA or Matt himself. Even this fluffed/edited version proves that Matt is the GOAT! Pun intended....
This video is heavily edited and a misrepresentation of the debate...Matt is even wearing 2 different color shirts in the video because it's clips pieced together from more than one debate. It's an example of how disingenuous Ray has to be to attempt to justify his god and demonstrates why claims of the bible cant be taken as truth...because people like Ray misrepresent events with half truths and lies of omission.
Watch the real debate here:
ruclips.net/video/cRCbvfyiu0s/видео.html
Yeah - took me a minute, too - but then I realized once they left Ray’s witnessing for minute after minute after minute - like he does on every single video he’s ever made. It makes my skin crawl.
Nick Boismenu oh wow - I’m just a couple of minutes in and skipping ahead - thanks for the heads-up, I’m going straight to that link
Nick Boismenu thx
I stand corrected
"How do I know you're telling the truth?"
"Obey the gospel"
It's like you're not even listening to him.
@@yoshi9706 He is going on what the Bible says about non-believers instead of listening to the person he is talking to.
@@yoshi9706 Since they ignore the person's personal experience and reasons for disbelief they end up gaslighting them (which is a form of abuse). The typical "you did it wrong, you are the problem not the cult" kind of situation.
ok, you guys are asking to defend our faith without the faith. To explain the Bible without using the Bible. It's like asking a doctor to operate without using what he learned in med school. A pilot to fly a plane without using what he learned in pilot school. Do u see how impossibly impossible that is? Everything we know about the faith is from the Bible. Everything a doctor knows about treatment is from med school. The Bible says if you seek him with a humble heart he will reveal himself to you. Millions of people took what the gospel said, did this, and found the LORD. "How do I know you're telling the truth?" Obey the gospel ('seek GOD with a humble heart and he will reveal himself to you') and you will know becasue he will reveal himself to you. Or, you can keep asking the doctor to treat the patient without what he learned in med school and stay blissfully ignorant. Your choice, heaven or hell.
@@joshuacline12 All Im asking is for you to tell me if you can observe God with any of our physical senses. I humbled myself and sought after God, maybe I found Him without knowing it in a spiritual way but definitely no observable way. If God wants to send me to hell for not guessing He lives then so be it. He's omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient. If He wanted to save me He would know what to show/tell me, and He would not harden my heart against unproven stories.
Interesting thing is doctors learn how to perform surgeries and use medication. They don't learn how to keep the body healthy (maybe they do but they definitely fail at it).
So to bring it back to context, I want spiritual health not just something to believe in because of fearmongering. And it definitely is fearmongering, even if I decide to believe (while knowing that I cant possibly be certain) I would still hate to see family and friends in hell. I won't be able to enjoy heaven and I doubt Ill enjoy His presence if He sent my family and friends to hell, because Im no different from them (Im equally sinful according to God's standard, or would gullibility somehow make me morally superior?). Id be looking at an eternity of depression, or since nothing like that will be in heaven would I just be tossed out or would my mind essentially be altered?
Sebastien Roux u obviously have a very open mind and I appreciate that greatly, my friend. Not many ppl have that. In GOD’s defense- in the beginning GOD mad everything perfect- laughter, joy, happiness, peace, etc. that is how it was in the Garden of Eden. GOD, not wanting to control us like robots, gave us an option, essentially: “you can be around all the things I made-happiness, joy, peace, etc- or you can choose not to” thus the tree that WE CHOSE to eat from. He even warned us “you will surely die if u eat from it” and we live in a fallen creation becasue of it. Every bad thing in the world is becasue we choose to follow an evil devil and not a perfect GOD. So, however long u live, whether it be 70,60,20, etc, GOD has given u that long to turn from the evil and come to him. He even died for you so that way he would remain Just. He couldn’t just let a criminal off the hook when there was a fine to pay, HE PAID YOUR FINE. So, let’s recap- GOD used to walk with us, talk to us, be with us- we chose this. We chose to leave him, that is why we are living in this turmoil. To answer your question, yes, He requires faith. He requires faith in him, a belief he exists, and repentance. Without repentance there is no forgiveness of sins. The Bible says “he chose the foolish things to confound the wise.” In other words- remember Noah’s ark? Jonah and the wale? The parting of the sea by Moses? Sounds crazy right? But he chose them for those who aren’t humble and want to believe he is limited by any of this. Some people have observed GOD through observable ways. 500+ people seen Jesus after he risen. Another thing, would me and you- being logical people- die for something we knew was a lie? Well tons of Christians who observed Jesus’ miracles did according to the logic that Jesus never did miracles. Another thing, you know those people who control things at the top of our society? The politicians and what not? Yea, those people were in the Bible during Jesus’ time, they were called Pharisees and Scribes and they BADLY didn’t want his words to get out. They HATED him, they CRUCIFIED him. And the people who wrote the Bible, the ones who observed his miracles, they died to get his words out. Would me and you die for a lie? No. Also let me give u something else, there are over 10k manuscripts of the Bible that are written within 99.5% accuracy of one another. In other words- there is more evidence that Jesus existed than Socrates, Aristotle, and Plato combined. Than Alexander the Great, than Genghis Khan. This is a few of many things. This isn’t blind faith my friend, it’s evidence based faith- but you need to search to find the evidence. You cannot just put it off. I love you and hope to have you as a brother in Christ soon ❤️ come home to Jesus, repent and Trust in him and you will be saved
"If i'm wrong about God then i would have wasted my life; If you're wrong about God then you would have wasted you whole eternity."
@@deemarie9945 Ray says that we are saved by God's grace, not our actions. Is that not correct?
Dee Marie nope, that’s wrong. Ray teaches that we are saved by GRACE through FAITH ALONE
However, true faith must produce works. Read James 2
Blessings
And if you would’ve chosen the wrong God you would’ve still wasted an eternity
@@deemarie9945 your must be a lukewarm Christian that goes out and parties, thinks being gay is ok and fornicates. If ray is wrong God not going to send him to hell for trying to be good. But if ray is right God might be mad at you
Lunar Night , you and Philosophical Apologist are on the same page.
I can't tell if Ray is genuinely simple minded and can't grasp basic concepts or if he's being bloody minded. Why agree to debate and then ignore that's it's supposed to be a debate? That's impolite or wilfully ignorant. Or both.
Matt is agressive, I would have trouble talking to him too
@@devinsanders8596 ray is aggressively bad faith at every turn. He is the true strawman king
Ray needs to prove how the bible is historically correct like the way Ravi Zacharias does with Apologetics.
Cross examined the channel and inspiring philosophy are good channels also.
The "Inspiring Philosophy" channel compromises Biblical doctrine for worldly ideas re evolution, the flood and other areas .. unfortunately.
Michele, how does that do any good? It has already been done, besides faith comes by hearing the gospel.
That was not the Debate
Ray is using "the way of the master" - doing what Jesus did - convict the hearer of their sin condition and the need for it to be paid for through themselves in hell or Christ crucified.
1 Cor. 1:18 "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing..." Matt's point at the end is that he won the debate of the question "Does the gospel make sense". And I would agree with him based on this verse and the next. From a human perspective, using logic and reason, the gospel does not make sense. I'm so glad God's ways are higher than ours, and his thoughts are higher than ours, and he loved me enough to do something as non-sensical as die for people who hate and reject him. Great job Ray preaching the gospel in all circumstances to reach all people, even if it means "losing" a debate. :)
How do you know your god's thoughts? I'm also interested how you know he/she even thinks. Supposedly he/she knows everything and already knows the past, present and future, which eliminates any need for thought process. Also, how do you know a god exists and how do you know it's the god you want? In the Bible Jesus only "died" for about a day and a half as well. Hardly a sacrifice; just a real crappy start to the weekend. People have suffered much worse for no reason.
@@JQAsCrustyNightSock I disagree greatly that what Jeff is saying is he knows God's thoughts, he is saying from his understanding not that he knows, so thats a misrepresentation by you there. Why would knowing past, present, and future eliminate the need for thought? That is highly illogical in many ways? To say Jesus only died? How many examples of people who have died and came back do you have to compare too? I'll wait! Belittling is hardly proving a point, anger is very prominent in non believers is that a symptom, or a circumstance?
@@fabfrenchies1974 "...his thoughts are higher than ours" is what he said, which is a statement of fact. He didn't say it was his "understanding". That is what you said. That is you misrepresenting him. Why would a god need to think if the past, present and future was already predetermined? Not that the god couldn't have thoughts, but what need would there be if everything was already predetermined? We have zero examples of someone who has died and been resurrected; that is why we need evidence for such a claim. First you need to prove Jesus as described in the Bible existed, then you need to prove Jesus died, then you need to prove Jesus was resurrected, then you need to prove Jesus was resurrected by the god of the Bible. Still a lot of work to do on your part. I'll wait. Why do you assume I am angry? Asking for evidence doesn't mean I'm angry. Also, please point out where I was belittling to the OP. He made several claims and I asked how he knows what he claims to know. I didn't do anything you have accused me of.
I enjoy listening to Matt, but he really says some dumb things from time to time. No such thing as porn addiction? A huge community of licensed psychologists would disagree with that...
Porn addiction isn’t recognized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It is debated upon as to whether or not it's an addiction in the medical world. However, in my unprofessional opinion, I think it counts as an addiction once it starts regularly interfering with your life and makes you nonfunctional in many aspects.
@@frozenraspberries1552 yes, I agree. I would also add that while there is no specific diagnosis called "pornography addiction", there are compulsive sexual disorders where porn can and does play a huge role in making the problem worse. Excessive use of pornography (to a point where quality of life is diminished) can also play a big part in hypersexual disorder (or should it be "disorders"? not sure if it's plural).
What Matt should have said, if he wished to be accurate, is that there is no specific DIAGNOSIS for pornography addiction. Psychiatrists across the board recognize that there are people for whom excessive viewing of pornography can a problem.
I think we pretty much agree. Then there's my personal opinion, which is that porn can also be a distraction from dealing with problems, just like sleeping around, partying excessively, Netflix and watching random christian debates on youtube. Just a sidenote.
@@absw6129 Yep! We agree. I think Matt holds your position too. But he was quite irresponsible with wording. Might have had to keep the position pithy with Ray Comfort though since Ray has a problem with staying on one topic and not going into preachy salad. Also it's a problem in the Christian community to label any porn watching as sex addiction.
But I have noticed Matt has a problem sometimes where he gives the pithy offensive version of his opinion and it doesn't do him any good or accurately represents his full thoughts on it. I'm a sociolinguist and there's quite a few things I wish he would change about the way he phrases things honestly.
@@frozenraspberries1552
The DSM is a political tool more than it is an objective assessment. A meagre glance at it's history, it's amendments, it's additions and removals make that clear.
In other words, just because it doesn't include an entry on porn addiction doesn't mean it isn't real - if anything, it means the APA is likely getting backhanders from certain industries...
Wait, internet addiction, game addiction, sex addiction, what about those, are they recognized? To be honest, I thought being psychologically dependent on any these constituted addiction. What else is the criteria then?
Ray's script never changes. He doesn't even listen to what people say. He is a dishonest opponent.
Bc he convinced himself that his god is 100% real and that he can never be wrong
He really doesn't listen, he's just skimming through what the other person says to try and project their words back onto them.
I know; Matt was definitely wrong in saying porn isn't addictive, it most certainly is. But don't think by saying porn isn't addictive that somehow that makes his credibility or the ability to argue the topic on atheism any less viable. This by no means lessen or weaken his standing point on atheism just because he is wrong on one point. I'm not suggesting that people are making that point, but just saying people should avoid going down that track. For an Atheist, overall Matt spoke well and I say that as a Christian.
Matt needs evidence to substantiate that God truly does exist, irrefutable evidence that cannot be challenged or argued against. But God has made it very clear in his word that he (Matt nor anyone else) won't receive anymore evidence than creation, their own conscious as moral beings (the law written on their heart) and the Bible itself which is the very word of God.
If you can rationalize those three things without the existence of a God involved, then I don't see how you can ever find God of your own accord without some level of faith. It does take faith, but it's not blind faith. If you read and study the word of God and be open to God to reveal himself to you, you can see that there is no way that 40 authors over 1500 years can write a book showing us that in the Old Testament we are broken, damaged people, separated from God as a result of disobedience; and the New Testament that shows us what God is going to do about that problem to rectify it.
As long as Matt breaths, the offer God makes to him and all humanity stays on the table. But once you die, a person's fate is sealed for eternity. I was once like Matt, and as long as there is a beating heart, there is hope for people like Matt. (Luke 18:27) "The things which are impossible with men are possible with God". For God all things are possible. So who's to say Matt won't realize one day that God truly does exist! And I pray he does!
I love your comment bud, if only people just open up their hearts they'll most definitely be able to see but all we can do is continue praying and preaching and hope that we can get through to their hearts!!!
If there was a god wouldn’t he know how to convince Matt? He’s omnipotent hes today and tomorrow. Soooo isn’t it more likely that people were dying of things they didn’t understand and made up a story to make people feel better. Seems more likely since people back then usually didn’t live past 40 and died of there teeth.
@@Thatalktalk God doesn’t come to us we have to go to Him
@@mrmallard4600 God did come to us/humanity. He came in the presence of a man and extended a hand for us to come to him.
It’s an offer given by God within the framework of a world where free will exists. I don’t believe God knows everything. The bible states that Abrahams actions revealed to God that Abraham feared him.
“Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”
God did not know that Abraham feared him until Abraham was tested.
@@Sums75 yes He did know God is all knowing do u believe in the trinity the Son the Father and the Holy spirit?
this atheist needs a thorough schooling in Prophecy past, present and future, he needs to be shown how God authenticates His Word by telling and fulfilling Prophecy. This is the way to prove that God exists....
Great point, also biblical authenticity and historical consistency supports Christianity immensily.
This theological method not work! Matt already heard from christians every week and several years. Is necessary really use a philosophical method that demonstrate the fallibility of human though sistem, that is, applies the pressupositionalism of Cornelius Van Til (have you heard about him?) And after that present a christian view like substitute and unique because his belief will be full of holes.
Christ give a lot proff or evidence for his disciples, He used the reason and latter them come believe him and witness people around.
Matt was a Christian for 25 years. I don’t think that will work again.
He doesn't exist though
@@potatoeradicator803 Proof?
"There's no such thing as porn addiction..."
Sometimes, there just aren't enough words.
"When is the last time you looked at porn?"
Without a split second of hesitation he firmly answers: "Today."
But there is no such thing as porn addiction. His hypocrisy knows no bounds.
THOSE WORDS R THE ULTIMATE FORM OF DECEPTION!!!😳😞 COMIN' FROM ME: A FORMER PORN ADDICT MYSELF AFTER 11+ YEARS!😞 THAT DISEASE TAKES EVERYTHING!!! YOUR MIND, YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS, YOUR INNOCENCE, YOUR PERSONALITY, YOUR LIFE & YOUR VERY SOUL UNTIL THERE'S NOTHING LEFT BUT A BROKEN, LIMP MIND & SOUL THAT'S BECOME ANOTHER STATISTIC!😞 THIS GUY IS SERIOUSLY DECEIVED BY SATAN & HIS EYES DESPERATELY NEED 2B OPENED B4 IT'S TOO LATE!😞
That was dillahuntys’ sarcastic reply to Rays’ saying there is no such thing as an atheist.
@cheanator That's awesome, how did it happen? Was it immediate or was it a gradual change?
@cheanator Wow that's awesome man, I'm in the same boat except instead of 2 years it's been about 2 days. I know with God help I can beat it eventually though.
Listening to Ray wither under any form of scrutiny was painful, and telling. The part about him being unwilling to demonstrate he had a wife was super weird. Why would you sign up for a debate if you can't defend any of it
The editing was so heavy. Ray must be pretty embarrassed, but we're right there with him
You just are not able to understand what he is saying
I honestly think Ray is one of the biggest internet trolls. He just takes the basic religious arguments and ignores what everyone else actually says
Unicorn Hair and Lattes Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, thats the thing about Ray. He's quite dishonest. There's nothing wrong with being a Christian, or disagreeing with Matt. But Ray doesn't even listen to people. He purposely lies about what people claim. And then when he's corrected by those very people who say, "No, that's not what i said," he will go on repeating those lies. Lying is wrong, and Ray does a lot of it.
He’s like a robot. You can’t have just a genuine normal natural conversation with the guy, all he does is preach and quote Bible verses 😂
@@LivingWaters oh aha snappy response 😬
Ray: Atheists believe that the origin of all is nothing
Matt: no, You can believe any stuff about the origin of things and being an atheist, not only that from nothing came all
Ray: Do You believe that from nothing came all as an atheist?
Matt: As an atheist no, i don't necesary believe in that
Ray: but here is a vídeo about a Lot of other atheist who they believe in that
Ray, cmon, you are not even trying anymore, the fact that a group of atheist believe in something and decide to do a vídeo about that is not a proof that all Atheists believe in that, i understand now why Matt doesnt want to debate You, it's so harsh to listen someone so incapable of understand why is wrong about so Many things.
PD: with the harlot stuff in the bible, Matt is still right, because in the context of that story, is the brother who is insulting his other brother and is telling that to his father, is like, if I tell a story about someone who insults someone else and calls him "Ugly", that doesnt mean that he is really Ugly, just that the other Say that to insult him.
Matt just said there is no such thing as Porn Addiction 🤥 . Yep he definitely Addicted
most likely...
I think he was watching it during this debate😃
Angel Moore 😂😂😂 probably
Oh now I know where this being atheist came from he wants to watch porn guys. And by the way we know how porn is a drug and this man claims porn is not an addiction 😂 he is so foolish I used to think he is logical but he came out to be sex maniac.
What’s wrong with porn? Studies show that countries with higher porn use have less cases of sexual harassment. Better to relieve sexual urges at home rather than bottling them up or taking them out on someone else.
There’s no such thing as porn addiction?! 😂 What?!
You can tell his conscience has been seared
Atheism is the opioid of the masses. It's asier to convince yourself that all is just fine and dandy, than realizing the world is the most messed up place ever...and, who do they think is making it that way?
The freewill of humans.
So it begs the question, is that same evil in me? Could I be a proponent of the evil?
But they don't want to see their perfect worldview crumble to peices.
Scientifically this is true. It is not recognized as an psychological addiction. There are people that struggle with porn and sex. But there is not enough evidence to call it an psychological addiction.
@@Joshokitty Another reason why sometimes common sense trumps science. Quite the overthinking process going on to try and justify that something that releases the drug of dopamine in your brain can't be addicting. You realize that's what "dope" is doing right? Releasing DOPEamine.
Lol seriously man. I would've told him ok if there's no such thing, NEVER watch porn again for the rest of your life and see how that goes
Ray, I'm a Christian and watched a lot of your preaching videos. You're good at it but you should definitely work on your debating skills
You're missing the point. A soul is not won by winning a debate. Read the gospel again. Show me 1 passage of scripture where Jesus or the apostles converted a soul with a debate. The gospel is the power of GOD unto salvation. Preach the gospel and let GOD do the rest. Ravy Zacharias is a perfect example of this. Endless debating does nothing.
@@Jesusway2heaven lol, you're actually missing the point. God's work is responsible for winning souls, not debate. Secondly, why would anyone believe the bible if you didn't give them a good reason to believe so? One of the main point of apologetics is to show that the bible can be reasonably believed. Another is to show that a god can be reasonably believed as well
@@Jesusway2heaven if you observed without bias this video, ray continously strawmans atheism and doesn't even bother to listen to what the opposition has to say. He's clearly made up his mind and won't accept being wrong That attitude alone removes any chance of the opposition to listen to him in the first place.
So don't go around telling anyone debates are worthless because Paul himself debated with non christians
@@Jesusway2heavendo you honestly think anyone would listen to you that the bible is true because you preach that the bible says it's true?? None. Reasoning, debate and apologetics is key to show that Christianity is rational. It may not save souls immediately but it sure helps people to open their ears and go from there
@@Jesusway2heaven you’re just repeating what ray is doing. Do you get that preaching isn’t all there is? If I were an atheist which means I don’t beleive in ANY god. Why would I consider what you have to say from your book?? Typical ignorant internet guy
" I made an ironclad argument" - is Matt serious. He knows nothing about God creating a certain world in which there is a certain amount of evil and a certain amount of good. Free will is necessary is a world where people freely choose to love Him or Hate him. God would obviously know that Matt rejects him but his knowing that comes from Matt's own free decision.
He keeps this up he might end up being Calvinist.
I think God is more in our heads than we realize. Sometimes I marvel at how God works certain things out within our personal life. Has a way of putting us in the middle of where we need to be at the right time, and it is our free will to react to where he puts us.
There are always two paths you can go down, and God knows our intentions like you wouldn't imagine.
If god omniscient, he knows who will take good and evil choices. There is no free will. Even if it isn't omniscient, nobody chooses the drives and experiences that lead to certain choice. Free will doesn't make sense.
@@jonatand2045 all the more reason that He should have never created us since he knows how heinous and terrible we can be.
@@jonatand2045 God knows the choices you make yes, BUT, only IF you make them silly. He doesn't know it and you then have to make the action. You can change what you do and guess what, God will know that. So It is the other way round. You argue for Calvinism. Why are you a Calvinist?
You can't have an intellectual debate with someone and try to save someone through emotional manipulation, both at the same time.
>intellectual debate
>debate with Ray Comfort
Pick one.
thats what i dont like about Ray, he tries to tug at people's heart strings and it comes across as petty and manipulative.
You just said it right my friend
This is why I am a Christian, everyone else can speak for themselves...it’s totally faith based for me, I totally believe the claims of Jesus: Jesus has his innocent blood splilled on the Cross, hitting the soil and dust, the same soil and dust God created us from. Jesus overcoming death yet giving us his blood into this fallen world is the ultimate miracle, whosoever believes in him will have eternal life is the miracle of miracles. There’s nothing scientific to prove this but I believe it.
This is the problem with Christians. Stop believing in worldviews without evidence. Why would you believe just because of your faith when you can believe because of evidence? Because your faith in it doesn't make Jesus real, or His ressurection real.
NaVi ' primarily, the reason I am so confident in my faith is because of what Jesus said here on earth. No mortal being utters the words he uttered while alive here on earth. Jesus said things that make every hair on your body stand up and your spine to tingle. I will give you my personal faith story.
How you are saved: Believe that when Jesus took his last breath on the Cross, the blood from his body immediately after death hitting the dust of the earth covered mankind’s sin for eternity, but it was at the cost of Jesus’ death. (You are created from the dust of the earth by God! Jesus meant “drink this wine to symbolize my life/blood I’m giving to you, creatures from dust”. Jesus meant “eat this bread to symbolize my body, and how it will not decay into the earth, but rather leave this earth and be at the right hand of God The Father to serve as the middle-man communicator between God The Father and mankind ”, symbolizing how Jesus overcame death). So basically, mankind was saved from eternal punishment, but mankind still couldn’t talk/relationship with God The Father because God The Father couldn’t commune with mankind because we have fallen. Also, God The Father could not commune with Jesus since he had died. This was without question the most terrifying 3 days ever in history. However, when Jesus conquered death on day 3, Jesus not only provided eternal covering for mankind’s sins through his innocent blood on the Cross, but now Jesus has given mankind a connection to God the Father through himself. JESUS CHRIST... HE IS ALIVE! All you must do is believe in him in this fallen world, and you will be saved hallelujah! Praise JESUS!!!
@@nobelpeaceprizeloser3242 But the thing is, if you are believing in the NT where His words are recorded purely on faith then you purely on faith believe that Jesus actually said those words and that they werent made up. God bless
NaVi ' Christian faith is the belief with the lack of evidence, right? Jesus was our best evidence but he ascended and is alive today.
This was almost therapeutic. Matt is patient for engaging people where they’re at. For better or worse.
Matt is a character that's for sure...
The fact that evolution (which MUST be true if there is no Creator) has nothing to back it up, is evidence that God exists. If evolution were true, the fossil record would reflect that, but the fossils in no way support the lie of evolution. It's a fantasy held by those who WISH there was no God.
You call his short temper patient LOL
I guess, he seems to get over it rather quick. @@senorex2088
@@senorex2088 I know lol you couldn’t make it up. It’s gaslighting. Mr Logic transforms into a Karen every time he fails to control the debate. Working on the Atheist experience where he gets to mute and cut people off while being smug in the knowledge that he’s really wound them up; has not served him well in situations where he can’t get his own way.
31:35 Love requires a decision. God gave us the freewill to choose. If God creates you to Love Him without your ability to choose whether you want to or not that's not true love. Light has come into the world but men choose darkness rather than the light because their deeds are evil.
Why didn't your god create a world where everybody freely decides to love him?
@@JMUDoc you should ask Him, but my guess is that would be a world of robots!
@@jamesescamilla1286 Please respond to the following argument:
P1. Your god creates with world with two kinds of people: those that freely choose to love him, and those that freely choose not to.
P2. The free will of the first group does not interfere with the free will of the second, and vice-versa.
C1. Had the second group not been created, the first group would retain their free will, and not be robots.
P4. Your god knows in advance which group a person he might create will belong to.
P5. Your god can refrain from creating anybody the second group.
C2. Your god could have created a world with non-robot free people that love him, and no non-robot free people that don't.
Is there anything wrong with this argument?
@@JMUDoc nothing wrong with your argument in my opinion but you are arguing with the wrong one. God's ways are not our ways nor are His thoughts our thoughts. Can the clay say to the Potter why have you made me this way? What He has told us is we all have the ability to choose life through the free gift of His Son. He paid our sin debt. The Just for the unjust.
@@jamesescamilla1286 So you stipulate that your god COULD have made a free world where everybody loves him... don't you wonder why he didn't?
Do you not think it unfair that the majority of people will end up in hell when they need not have been created at all?
Or are you OK with this because you (think you) are one of the ones bound for heaven?
"Can the clay say to the Potter why have you made me this way?"
No. Because it's clay, and it can't think or speak.
(The fact that your religion has made you compare yourself to clay is, frankly, dismal, IMO.)
If I created a robot that could think for itself and it asked me about its creation, I would not for a moment consider dismissing it with arrogant "how DARE you!?" replies.
"What He has told us is we all have the ability to choose life through the free gift of His Son"
But if he fails to convince me of his son's very existence - and, indeed, HIS very existence - that choice is not open to me.
I can't accept an offer I don't believe has been made, can I?
That’s a nice highly edited video that you guys released. 👍🏻🙄
Although I don't agree with Mr. Dillahunty (Atheism) I recognize he made strong arguments and real questions. But what Ray maybe forgot to mention here was, there's another realm (the spiritual) that you can only access it thru believing (faith) in which it manifest in our world thru God or thru demonic forces.
The key here it's not proving God's existence or why we were given our nature, the more proof you provide the more questions will come up and the less someone is willing to believe or trust. The key thing here is FAITH which is impossible to please (receive grace) God if we don't have it.
I'm not dissing today's preachers in any way, they have a God given purpose, but what really stands out preachers from the old days compared to today's is that in the modern era they want to convince people with literature, studies, scientists, love, prosperity etc... Yet in the old days let's say Billy Graham as an example, they didn't try to convince people with facts, they preached the Gospel and let the Holy Spirit took care of convincing people.
So what I'm trying to say is, as much as we want to convince someone (an atheist) with facts, arguments, evidence or proof, they're deeply convinced and won't accept there's such a God, but by contrast when we let the Holy spirit speaks to anyone, He will enter his heart, move him in a special way and convince him of his existence.
Apostle Paul was convinced he was doing good, killing Christians but when Jesus struck him, he was enlightened by the Holy Spirit and start preaching what he used to kill Christians for, putting his life on the line for God.
A preacher once said: "The great thing about conscience is, even if you don't believe what I'm saying... you do believe what I'm saying..."
God Bless everyone
Billy Graham has been exposed for his universalist idealogies. I recommend looking it up.
Ruben Chavez God bless you, brother.
@Aerial Productions Charlotte I don’t know anything about that, also you’re probably talking about his son, not the past away father which I was referring to.
Exactly I don't want to debate I'm tired of that I want to walk in power in authority of Jesus and how he he lived I want to live because we are supposed to be Christ like👊💯💪let holy spirit do the talking
I just start telling people you'll find out what we were so adamantly warning you of when you die.. and many dont respond after that! What can they say? Death is coming for us all and someone is going to be wrong..at least if I'm wrong and the atheist was right I lose nothing I wont "exist anymore" but if they're wrong and we're right (which we are) they will deeply regret not choosing the most high. It's unfortunate for many but I'm over trying to convince someone of what I know is true.. those who will be saved will be saved. Some listen some don't!
Matt's objections are unfortunately born of a particular Christian heritage which is theologically rudimentary and simplistic. Essentially he's shooting down straw men without realising it. For example he has a problem with substitutionary atonement, and his objection is correct because substitutionary atonement is incorrect. However he hasn't heard the proper understanding of the atonement so he simply continues to shoot down the substitutionary version. The Lord bless you Matt. If you wish to enter into a discussion that is far deeper than that to which you've been exposed to, respond to this message and we can set up a place to discuss.
Just call him up on his atheist show, although i highly doubt you’d add anything new to the discussion. I also have some great questions, that no christian has been able to answer. And that considering that I don’t even dispute God’s existence and don’t nag for “evidence”.
@@dr-johngy-brongen I live in another country, so I won't be making any phone calls.
did this man just say "theres no such thing as porn addiction". really dude
Love these debates 😁👍🏼
Hit him hard Ray 🔥🔥🔥
(In love of course 😇🤣🤣)
Haha yes with Love😁
Dee Marie Faith is the root... works are the fruit...the evidence of truth faith. Faith without deeds is dead (I.e. not faith at all).
Dee Marie , I would argue that this is exactly what Ray teaches. He tells people that the only thing that can save them is faith. To trust in Jesus like you trust a parachute. And then he will finish with, it must be sincere. Sincerity of faith will be proven because you will be truly sorry and in your heart will not want to sin against God. This is what the Bible says too!!!
It says “do not be readers and not doers only fooling yourself”. He has never said that works save. In fact, ive heard him every time say “doing good will not save you. Don’t flap your own arms when you fall from a plane. Trust the parachute”. He also says but “trust in God and have true repentance” (that just means being truly sorry and not pretending to love God)
I have called myself a Christian in the past and I honestly was a living hypocrite, because I didn’t really have a heart change. I didn’t love the Lord enough to want to live for Him and obey him. I was living in such filth at the time. Since I realized what true repentance and true remorse for my sin is, I still slip up every day. But, the difference is I love Him so much that I want to make Him happy. (That is being truly repentant and not lying to yourself)
I was hoping that Ray would have siad God is LOVE, Jesus humanity was all about LOVE and I have found the more I love others and do my hardest not to look at others sin, I see more and more of love in people.
@@lionoffireministries This video is heavily edited and a misrepresentation of the debate...Matt is even wearing 2 different color shirts in the video because it's clips pieced together from more than one debate. It's an example of how disingenuous Ray has to be to attempt to justify his god and demonstrates why claims of the bible cant be taken as truth...because people like Ray misrepresent events with half truths and lies of omission.
Watch the real debate here:
ruclips.net/video/cRCbvfyiu0s/видео.html
Does anyone know why Ray removed 12m:29s of this debate out of his version? There are clearly parts of the debate missing when compared to the original video on the Modern Day Debates RUclips channel. 🤔
Edited: Went back and added up the exact time duration missing. Started with Ray's opening statement (1:46) through the end of his closing statement (47:01).
scientific proof that THE BIBLE is true the ark found the army that’s in the Red Sea brimstone found in sodom and Gomorrah etc
shalom every one
In Ray’s efforts to heavily edit this video to save face, he still gets clobbered by Matt in this debate.
Dude i posted a comment and when living waters responded to it i responded to them with a longform response they blocked my ability to write comments. Sounds like they are afraid of cogent arguments lol
Literally, Matt’s video is 1 min longer than Rays? How is it edited?
@@adamsmasher9769 if they blocked you from writing comments how are you writing this comment?
@@klayson19 the comments were getting removed for a while, it took some time before i was able to put comments on this page again. And as you can see that comment is almost a year old.
Thats why the original 3 longform comments from myself and living waters arent here anymore.
Really don't like this format. I think it was the "worst of both worlds" in comparison to a formal debate or a private discussion. The moderator could have done much better in keeping both parties focused on the topic.
This video is heavily edited and a misrepresentation of the debate...Matt is even wearing 2 different color shirts in the video because it's clips pieced together from more than one debate. It's an example of how disingenuous Ray has to be to attempt to justify his god and demonstrates why claims of the bible cant be taken as truth...because people like Ray misrepresent events with half truths and lies of omission.
Watch the real debate here:
ruclips.net/video/cRCbvfyiu0s/видео.html
Nick Boismenu I don’t agree with some of those sweeping generalizations (the last half of the comment). The link you provided is much appreciated and I will check it out, thank you.
@@vincer7824 I am simply saying that if Ray, who knows and preaches that lieing is a sin against his god, but is still willing to do it, then it is reasonable to conclude that other religious leaders like jesuses deciples also may have misrepresented events in the bible. So it is a reasonable expectation that evidence be required to support the extraordinary claims made in the bible for them to even be considered accurate accounts.
I dont expect anyone to take my word for it, that Ray misrepresented the debate with the intent to mislead others...i invite you to check out the link and see for yourself.
Nick Boismenu Thank you for clarifying what you meant. I understand and disagree, due to the nature of virtual comments I’m not interested in sharing my reasoning here. You seem like someone that it would be very interesting to speak to irl though.
Yes, I think we both agree people should evaluate the debate and ideas presented for themselves. Again, thanks for the link.
1 day every knee will bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!!! 🔥🔥🔥
Amen I will stand upon the truth of Jesus!
1 day? When? In a Million years?
“How arrogant to claim you know what I believe...”
5 minutes later...
“I don’t believe ANYBODY knows the Lord...”
🤔
He’s deceived, confused and blinded by Satan
they are two differant things, Ray says he ´knows´ and Matt says he "believes", nothing hypocritical.
Well, he is implying Ray is wrong though
Exactly, Atheists are the biggest hypocrites.
@@religdeb hes doing what to Ray what he got mad at ray doing. Ray said he was wrong about atheism. And matt is saying rays wrong about knowing the Lord. Same thing. Dont play on words.
Thank you Living Waters for posting this showdown. I was a dedicated Christian all my life until I saw this video. By virtue of this video and listening to Matt's responses I have learned how to question and assess what I believed in a rational unbiased manor become more in touch with my own common sense. I now am a fully committed atheist. Listening to the contradictions and obvious weak foundations of argument Ray presents made my choice easy. Thank you Ray for illuminating how one dimensional and ridiculous I have been all my life up till now. Ray really made my choice much easier.
so you went from believing a God who loves you and created you with value and reason to believing that you are nothing more than a blob of chemicals with no ultimate meaning or value. You believe that you are no different from a cocoroach? Denying God is denying an ultimate standard of Morality, Value, Truth and Reason. so ultimately you should have no Reason to become an athiests. Reason presupposes design, logic, order and truth and there could be none of those principles without a standard of such.
@@christrighteousministries5932 It's not about what you prefer to be real. It's about what can be proved. Just be honest with yourself and not just believe the ideas you like the most.
I'm curious how you can become and atheist and claim to have studied the Bible. Perhaps you were a christian who never read most of the Word? Explain how the Bible knew centuries ahead of time exactly when Jesus would be born, what nation He would be born in, what town he would be born in, what tribe He would be born, what family He would be born, or his entire ministry, His life, His betrayal, crucifixion and Resurrection all centuries before they happened. How did it know Rome would crucify Jesus centuries before Rome was a world kingdom or ruled in Judea, or 10 centuries before crucifixion even existed as capital punished.
And how in the world did the Bible know Rome would destroy the temple and Israel completely and scatter the Jews across the earth in the great diaspora for nearly 2000 years? And how in the world did it know Israel would be reborn as a nation 2000 years later, following the holocaust and WW2?
No other nation in the history of the world has ever been completely destroyed and then reborn as a nation. Only one.....Israel. And the Bible predicted the destruction by Rome and the rebirth nearly 2000 years later. And its took 2 world wars and the holocaust to make it happen.
@@ExperienceEric You do realize the Bible was put together hundreds of years after Jesus was supposed to be alive right? Nearly every story was stolen from older religions. Look at the story of Osiris for just one which was way before the Jesus stories. All stolen content mate. None of them predictions are mentioned by name tho are they. Anyone can predict random stuff and in time when something happens in the slightest way like it says in the Bible you claim is a perfect match prediction. How dishonest.
@@ExperienceEric Do you believe in Heaven and Hell? I have a question for you I'm struggling to find the answer.
It seems Ray Comfort is trying to evangelize more than debate. I am a Christian ( Not necessarily a good Christian)
No one is good but God.
@@chronicler2313 The Gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing. 1cor1:18
@@chronicler2313 so in other words shut off your mind and don't ask questions, be a good trusting slave and I won't torture you forever in a lake of fire.
@@chronicler2313 exactly my point obey and I won't have to kill and torture you, that is the moral equivalent of holding a gun to someone's head demanding their wallet and if they refuse saying "don't make me kill you" the fault for someone being killed is not the person who was killed its by the person who killed them, if god is what the Bible professes him to be what possible threat can I be to him, so why does he have to kill me, that is not love in any sense of the word, that is a violent narcissist. If God can't abide me he could simply kill me where is the need for an eternity of fiery torment other than some sort of sadistic pleasure derived from it.
@@chronicler2313 I don't claim to know god, I don't believe he exists I am open to having my mind changed with good evidence, none of what you said answers my question in any way, God will send me to a lake of fire to be tortured and to suffer for all of eternity if I don't believe and worship him, how does that make him loving and forgiving, using the story in the bible, God gives me a way not to suffer eternally if I toe the line, but you conveniently leave out the part that it's god who is doing the punishing and the torturing, if god didn't create a place of eternal suffering and anguish then no one would have to suffer eternal suffering and anguish, as I've said if God doesn't want me to live in heaven God can just kill me where is the need for eternal torture other than your god seems to enjoy subjecting people to it.
I've encountered pastors like this, they literally can't have a normal conversation. They come in with all these prerequisites that they are unable to challenge
It's almost a requirement for the ministry, if you're an evangelical.
@@mattr.1887 not at all
@Matt R. Granted, but if you're a Christian why would you want to learn from a minister who is any other thing than sold out on their beliefs?
I'd like to just stick to the truth.
Matt should've debated Ravi Zacharias or someone like that.
Yes ray does a great job and really knows the Bible intricately and intimately. Ravi has a more philosophical and scientific approach. But I don’t think this Matt guy would be persuaded by anyone.
Yeah. Wouldn't been nice to see, but Ravi's work is done, and he is in Paradise.
How about James White, that’d be cool!
Ah yes, the pure in heart, Ravi. Now, Ravi would NEVER look at anyone with lust. :)
@@popsjr Ravi's in paradise?!!! Not according to Ray.
I love how they edited this video to make Matt look like he was crazy. Ray didn’t have a lick of evidence and had nothing to back up what he thought atheist claim the Bible is wrong. Reek kept going to the Bible. That’s the claim not the answer, Matt won this by flying colors.
Jesus asked "why do you call me good?" In order to impress upon the questioner who he was calling him, which was God. Jesus never said "don't call me good", he also is called the *good Shepard* elsewhere in the Gospels. Furthermore, if we understand the fact that God IS the good, it is part of his nature, then the phrase "why do you ask me about that which is good?" turns out to be the exact same as "why do you call me good?" when he is referencing God himself.
Professing to be wise, they became fools.
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Yup, Romans 1. Hurts to see people with such hardened hearts. Let's keep these folks in our prayers
This debate should be called humility v pride. The battle goes on and on.
Joseph Dunne If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:26
What's crazy is we could argue as to which side is which.
well said!you absoleutly correct
@@Jempath This video is heavily edited and a misrepresentation of the debate...Matt is even wearing 2 different color shirts in the video because it's clips pieced together from more than one debate. It's an example of how disingenuous Ray has to be to attempt to justify his god and demonstrates why claims of the bible cant be taken as truth...because people like Ray misrepresent events with half truths and lies of omission.
Watch the real debate here:
ruclips.net/video/cRCbvfyiu0s/видео.html
R C is preaching, not debating.
At 16:27ish.... ay ay ay... I'm already frustrated. Adam and Eve had freewill. He told them not to touch the tree of knowledge. They had a choice. Eve could have followed God's instructions. But was tempted, and fell for it. Freewill... Freewill is the answer to that. There are true followers of Christ. I'm still watching. And ay ay ay. We have a fair and just God. It wouldn't be fair to create, beings that are human, to be righteous, and holy. I'm sure God does want to reward strong willed people. Why would he want evil people in heaven. There is nothing in heaven that is corrupt. We, through our fear of God, we respect Him, and love him, and try our hardest through faith, we want to do the Lord's works. Bible believing, born again Christians know we go to heaven by the grace, bc Christ Jesus died and rose 3 days later. We repent from our sins, we will be humble joyful servants to our Lord. This world this corrupt world that walks by sight, they need facts. I have my testimony, I know and believe with my whole heart, John 3:16. I am only a resident of this world, a citizen of God's kingdom. King Jesus is my ruler. I love my government I will be living in for eternity. I pray I'm a great and humble ambassador for my ruler, my creator, my king! And when the time comes (we are in the last minutes of sand in the hourglass) every knee shall bow, and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord! Amen! Amen! AMEN! Please, this last sentence is for my brothers and sisters... please never lose your ZEAL, never lose that fire you had when you first gave your life your heart to our Lord, rekindle the flame in your temple and let your holy spirit overfill you with boldness and courage bc we are in that time. I love you and see all my brothers and sisters soon. God bless and maranatha!
Glory to our Lord and savior 🙏🏾📖
Adam and Eve were the only people who ever had free will. Since they sinned all of mankind has been slave to sin. Not inherited sin either- "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
@@jimjohn6520 as free will pertains to sinful behavior, you are correct. As for every other aspect of life, including the decision whether or not to receive or reject the salvation of Jesus, free will is of course alive and well in every individual.
@@johnboehmer6683 I think there is free agency to make decisions. That is why we are responsible for what those decisions are, however, we will not choose godliness on our own. Righteous living is evidence of the change of heart from death to life, yet the will is wicked just the same. So it is never free will, except a will to do sin. Even Christians fall prey to sin.
@@jimjohn6520 we are all born into sin. But bc of Jesus we are washed clean. We all have freewill here on earth. We can choose what we want to put our faith in. But the wages of sin is death. So we can live however we choose here on earth, but after our flesh dies, our soul is left for eternity. Either heaven or hell. It's freewill. God gives us that.
Matt has lack of self control! He gets mad so easily
And Ray is so patient
@Magical Chemical Daddy did you even watch the original video instead of this edited version
@Magical Chemical Daddy what does that even mean
@Magical Chemical Daddy who's the turd
@Magical Chemical Daddy and would you get away from it
and here I thought it was a video of an actual debate.
then I saw, Living waters, and knew it was click bait.
@Eli Not really. Ray doesn't have a great track record with his video since they are often heavily edited.
Matt should’ve asked you this way: “If you had to convince me that you had a relationship with your wife, or you had to convince me that you had a relationship with god, which would you pick?” The answer of course is your wife. It’s ok to be honest and say that you have a relationship with god but that you can’t convince others of that relationship. That’s honest.
Nope you just don't get it. Anyone can choose to disagree and simply say I don't accept that even in light of a multitude of evidence.
@@treesquatch9150 I think I described it and understand it perfectly when I said "you can't convince others of that relationship [compared to the evidence you have for your wife]". I'm guessing you're an evolution denier which better describes what you're saying.
q&a: "Why didn't God write black lives matter on men"s hearts so there was no racism?"
He did! Only it was ALL lives matter! Yes, just humans matter. With God there is no difference, people!
Red, yellow, black, and white they are ALL precious in his sight!
God the Father does not see the color of of a person skin but only what is in ones heart for God is not racist
There is only one race...the human race.
Humans are created in the image of God, and for humans to make divides amongst each other, racism, etc. are against God's design and will for human life.
God's a racist
People love to attack the Bible. They have no understanding of it, and then when they have a Christian in front of them that does understand the Bible and studies it constantly, they will not listen. Why not listen to the one that has understanding from God?
Matt is very logical.😊👍 This video is edited not full.
@D W really? Matt is the one that isn't logical? Matt destroyed ray in this debate. Ray did not make a single good point and did not use logic only his indoctrinated beliefs which any logical person would see as empty claims without any evidence to back it up.
@@Steven-nd2lw you think that all religious people are indoctrinated thats not true you have committed a phalacy you should research christianity first before making stupid claims here are some material watch bible project ,apologetics press , answers in genesis ,whaddo you meme , aoc network playlist on bible prophecy and associates for biblical research
Like I respect Ray, but sometimes he males assertions for Matt...
And Ray says he didn't come to debate, but yet he names this video a "hot debate".
@D W please point out a specific point during this where you feel Matt was illogical.
@D W Name one specifically that we can look at. A timestamp would definately help us have a good clear discussion on this one.
Atheist versus Christian debates are a curious thing. I used to be a Christian, but now I am atheist, or at the very least agnostic. People used to argue that the atheist could never "win", but I have decided that is not true. The atheist probably won't sway the 'Chriatian', but will probably influence the beliefs of at least a few of the 'Chriatians' listening. I was swayed ultimately.
You said you put their links in the description, but I don’t see Matt Dillahunty‘s.
@Gage Voss ruclips.net/video/rQ8gb_Dgs38/видео.html
This video is heavily edited and a misrepresentation of the debate...Matt is even wearing 2 different color shirts in the video because it's clips pieced together from more than one debate. It's an example of how disingenuous Ray has to be to attempt to justify his god and demonstrates why claims of the bible cant be taken as truth...because people like Ray misrepresent events with half truths and lies of omission.
Watch the real debate here:
ruclips.net/video/cRCbvfyiu0s/видео.html
Nick Boismenu wow, you don’t pay attention very well. In the “debate” he is wearing the same shirt. The part where he is wearing a different shirt is AFTER the debate from a separate video commentary of Matt that he recorded AFTER the debate. So you can call Rat disingenuous. The debate isn’t heavily edited or spliced together. Pay more attention please.
That’s because the moderator is the one that said he would put both links to their channels in the description. The moderator posted this video on his own channel as well. Your just looking at the video that ray posted on his living waters channel.
@@davidduke2073 that is not how it is presented by Ray, and it is very heavily edited none the less... But you are right, Matt does do a review of the debate afterward, in a blue shirt. I wonder why Ray never mentions any of that in the description nor links the actual debate and matts review. Awfully dishonest
Painful to hear Matt trying to talk sense to a child.
You missed the point brother. May God be with you.
@@ColtPaul33 Which one ?
@@pete1759 Jesus Christ is king.
@@ColtPaul33 can you prove it with science? Show me someone rising from the dead after being dead for three days and have magical abilities. The ball is in your court.
@@Gokulosestoavirus eyewitness testimonies of his resurrection in abundance. And all of them died brutally without denying it. People don't die for what they know is a lie. And that is only surface level proof. My life and countless others are proof of his existence as well but clearly you aren't ready to hear these truths in its entirety as you are still enslaved by sin and haven't been set free in Christ. So these testimonies are pointless. So I'm praying for your deliverance brother and that your eyes begin to see and your ears begin to hear so that you may know the truth. God bless you Bob.
How any one could watch this and think Matt Dillahunty lost this debate or didn't make sense is beyond me.
Because Ray said god says so.
Matt is frustrated. Because he lost. Because he’s stupid.
Matt didn't make sense he is dumb
Revelations 5:13
Philippines 2:10 & 11
@@iwantafrapp Using a book that can't be verified as true to "prove" your claim is not going to convince someone who isn't already indoctrinated.
at the end matt explains how ray just preached at him the whole time and ray makes a point to stop the video and interject for "clarification" and responds with "Matt just couldn't handle the truth of what I was preaching to him" .. lmao like dude youre supposed to be having a debate about whether god exists and all youre doing is trying to convince matt hes going to hell... some peoples awareness of themselves is absolutely baffling to me sometimes smh
As a Christian myself, i respect brother Matt for having the patience to tolerate Rays ignorance and self-roghteousness. I'm sorry Ray, but before having another debate or discussion, please humble yourself, drop your know-it-all-i-dont-have-to-prove-it-all ego, look outside your little box, and depend more on Gods wisdom rather than your blind childish understanding of the bible. In order to debate an atheist you need to realize that these people are real smart people with real critical thinking skills about life and lifes meaning, if you're not a critical thinker yourself and if you dont know your bible well enough you shouldn't be debating people that are smarter than you. It even seemed like Matt knew more about the old testament than you, and when he brought things up about Gods wrath and other complicated topics, you never gave him any decent explanations and just skipped right over to falsely accusing him of things. You should be ashamed for misrepresenting Jesus like that, we are called to mimic Jesus' personality, and you did the whole opposite. common man
Ray dyes his hair. That says a lot.
U think with ur own mind
Ray thinks with Gods
Plain and simple he is following Gods orders rather accurately.
If God is truth and Ray has God then what he says is true based on God you can pull up scripture to prove it.
But Idunno you don’t seem to have Jesus so how would you even know what Ray does it wrong.
@@chriscobayne2235 his attitude of ignorance is not a fruit of the Holy spirit
@@michaelp2797 he acknowledges what he said that’s not ignoring but he didn’t accept it
@@chriscobayne2235 Good for him. He could be right and on the side of truth but he shouldnt be shaming Christians by debating people that are way smarter than him and know more about the Bible than he does. Most Christians are blocked off by their tribalist thinking and bad logic and reasoning skills from questioning the Bible the way an atheist open mindedly questions it. These people can continue to be weak Christains with their weak theologies but once again, they shouldn't be debating atheist who are more educated and have questions on the "soft spots" of the bible. A Christian needs to provide a good answer, not just be a blind ignorant fool about it. There's stronger Christians out there who can debate because they know their Bible well. But he should not debate if he doesn't know how to defend his theology
Did Ray really edit out most of Matt's questions at the end?? Along with the rest of the video being heavily edited. Ray straight up dances around every question lmao
yep. Ray Comfort - perfect example of a Godly man.
Ray would do whatever he likes to make himself out to be the best.
Matt's entire argument reminds me of someone who just can't understand why people like pineapples on their pizza.
Different strokes, different folks?
Haha I LOVE Pineapple on my pizza🍕🍍
Pineapple belongs on pizza and I’m just not convinced that it is wrong.. 🤷♂️
I love pineapple on pizza
I actually don't like pineapple on pizza
I believed that a good OFFENSE is a good DEFENSE that results to CONVICTION.