Damn.... that is gut wrenching. Don't commit suicide, guys. You might regret it, when it's already too late. You are awesome. You are precious in any way. And if your own head tells you otherwise, get help! You are the first AND last person in the world, who should love yourself as you are. You are wonderful and you have a purpose - you might just not have found it, yet. And believe me. Even if it is dark - it will get better someday. Because sometimes life is a bitch... and then you keep on living. No one ever said it has to be fun. Existing is hard. But the art is to make the best out of it. It's all a matter of perspective.
When I was 15, back in 2014, I tried to hang myself with a dog collar and a ceiling fan. The view I got from hanging, my legs shaking struggling to reach the floor only 10centimeters bellow, my hands despeartly trying to unhook the collar. It was the longest 4 seconds of my life until the collar snapped due to my weight and I fell back down. Funny, the moment my toes left the chair I realized I could fix every single problem that I was facing, every single problem but the one I was facing at that very moment; the view from halfway down.
@PUNMPKIN Yup, it's called the Werther Effect, it's a well documented phenomenom... kinda why the experts Netflix hired told them not to portray the suicide the way they did...
I always thought that jumping off a building or something would be a peaceful way to go, and to be honest i had considered it several times throughout my life. the poem absolutely changed my perspective entirely, i mean i had never even considered ‘the view from halfway down’ and how you’d feel as you’re falling. it fucks me up how i close I’ve been several times in my life to my own realization of that caliber
13 reasons why made me want to kill myself. Not because of the way it glorified suicide as a weapon against those that have "wronged" you. It was just such a bad show that I honestly didn't want to live in a world where it exists.
@@harryoneil4791 he didn't really say to run away though. He said to run forward, as in push through. It ties in literally with the episode(s?) Where bojack took up running as a way to get better
Simon Taylor I don’t know, like when he says ‘don’t look back’, he very well could’ve been trying to say that but bojack May have misunderstood which would add a lot more tragedy to the whole show
agree, i felt afraid and sad with those poems, everyone knew that secretariat/bojack dad, will enter to the dark hole, but in the inside i really wish to stop the scene, he was so stress at the end. love the mix of character, really good narrative decision. saludos
They really did their research. People who survive their suicide attempts (from jumping I believe) often talk about how halfway down they change their minds. How suddenly they realize they don’t want to die they just want to stop hurting. It’s honestly chilling.
Its like you have another person within you that always wants you to survive. When you try kill yourself, there's always this voice that wouldn't let you do it. Sometimes the voice is louder and sometimes its not.
Someone left this comment in another video about this scene, but another detail in the poem is that as Secretariat begins the poem, he’s very confident and clearly spoken and then gets more uncertain the closer he comes to actually dying. The viewpoint in his poem starts in third person, then goes to second, then first. The closer he is, the more real it is, the more he realizes it’s too late.
I do remember hearing that a bunch of people who survived suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate bridge IMMEDIATELY regretted their descision when they took the plunge. Interesting read if you're an avid googler.
@@SAMMYTASTISCH yah my friends suicide was severely effected by 13 reasons why. The show falsely represents mental illness and justifies their actions by saying, "were getting more attention for mental illness" but also romanticizing it, and making it dramatic, rather than scary. This scene was haunting because it showed that suicide doesnt have a flip switch, once you've started you can't come back. That's why people regretted jumping halfway down. Because their no way back up. Everything ends. That's what's scary about suicide. I think if this show came out earlier, I think she might have realized that.
@@SAMMYTASTISCH well I don't think we know it increased it, but it sure as shit didn't discourage it. Showed off using the method of killing yourself to hurt people who've hurt you. Arguably, that actually encourages it.
Fuck I used to think Sarah Lyn's final moments would be the only one that I would consistently cry at. But now this. I can't watch this without tearing up. This poem combined with that beautiful performance and terrifying abyss is godlike.
What I found interesting about the poem from “The View From Halfway Down” was how Secratariat/Butterscotch explained Secretariat’s death. What we never got to see was Bojack’s reaction as a 9 year old hearing about his death. Knowing his parents they most likely didn’t sugarcoat what had happened. So I believe that event really stuck with him throughout his life hence the similarities within the scenes. What’s even more heartbreaking is Bojack never hearing his advice in the first place but somehow taking it later in life with how the plot panned out.
I think part of it is that, hard, cold, forward. But how it portrays jumping from a bridge of killing yourself. At first, it feels freeing, that everything will be washed away. But all the survivors of people jumping from bridges all say the same thing, they regret it. Because once you step off, and feeling of freedom drops, and you realize at that point, that's the end. And you regret it. Because in those last seconds, your brain wants out, you want out, and you realized, there is nothing you can do.
I’m sure he heard it eventually. As big of a fan as he was of his I’m sure he would have sought it out. At worst, someone asked him about it, and then he found out. By the time he was filming Secretariat, there’s no question he had seen that clip.
@@tttgggccc no, the moral is dont do it. theres always another way, and being able to think about it right before it happens, being faced with the point of no return, makes people realize that.
@@tttgggccc actually, 90% of ALL suicide survivors never attempt again (and yes, thats including those who tried it via more lethal methods, such as a gun to the head). its not just the survival instinct (though, that adrenaline rush does help quite a bit). no, its the realization that this is it. that youre really about to be gone forever, or that you were almost gone forever. its the realization after surviving, about how terrifying suicide actually is. suicide is tragically horrible. i have no fucking clue what you mean by "fine". theyre not fine. people who succeed are dead. thats not fine, thats terrible. i think you missed the point of the poem.
Last year, I attempted suicide by overdose on xanax. There was a moment where I woke up and I couldn’t move. My body was in so much aching pain and I really thought I was going to die. It‘s the most scary thing I have ever been through. I don’t know. Even after going through that, I still sometimes have reoccurring suicidal thoughts. After watching Secretariat’s speech, I had a panic attack. It was so terrifying to realise that the “I’m going to die and I can’t do anything” feeling I had was valid and real and a thing that other people go through and have gone through, and maybe not survived like I had. I’ve decided to start making changes to my life. Suicide is not an answer. I don’t know. I’ve been through multiple psychologists, and psychiatrists and doctors. I’ve been to hospital before. It sounds ridiculous, but this cartoon was the fucking thing that actually hit me and told me I needed to get fucking better and snap out of my suicide ideation. That it wasn’t the magical solution. Thank you so fucking much to Alison Tafel and Will Arnett. I am so grateful
This is heartbreaking to hear. I am so glad to hear that you survived and got the help you need. But I hope you are doing better now. Just know that there are people out there, like myself, who are happy that you are still alive.
@@Ivan-mp7pt why do I have that same thought every time I read someone else's suicide or depression story? "I love you so much" it's not romantic or platonic or sexual or familiar. It's an entirely different kind of love that I only ever feel when I read or hear about someone else's struggle to just live. I can't explain it. I don't understand it but it gives me more strength to keep going than anything else.
This scene terrified me more than any scene in the show before. I've been dealing with depression since I was a kid, always wondered why I wasnt dead yet and stop making my family miserable with my existence. When my depression became so bad I became unable to keep my life together, all I could think about was dying. But I was too scared of actually killing myself. I realized I couldnt keep going like that and spent 6 weeks in a mental hospital to get help. I thought I was just a useless coward who couldnt even commit suicide. I still kept thinking like this after leaving the hospital. 4 years after leaving the hospital and watching this scene, I finally realized why I couldnt kill myself: I was too terrified of the moment when I was dying and didnt want to go anymore but it's too late to go back. Thank goodness I made the right decision back then. I would never want to experience this moment in my life😰
You wanna know something scary? This reflects a very real thing that happens with people who jump to their deaths. Those who have survived jumping off bridges talk about how, as soon as their feet leave the ledge, they feel regret, followed by fear as they get closer and closer to the ground.
@@TeamKatastrophe not really. There isn't a definitive ending which is nice considering how the show never believed the idea of end. It's open to interpretation and gives a potential closure to its major characters.
The View from Halfway Down Poem The weak breeze whispers nothing The water screams sublime His feet shift, teeter-totter Deep breath, stand back, it’s time Toes untouch the overpass Soon he’s water bound Eyes locked shut but peek to see The view from halfway down A little wind, a summer sun A river rich and regal A flood of fond endorphins Brings a calm that knows no equal You’re flying now You see things much more clear than from the ground It’s all okay, it would be Were you not now halfway down Thrash to break from gravity What now could slow the drop All I’d give for toes to touch The safety back at top But this is it, the deed is done Silence drowns the sound Before I leaped I should’ve seen The view from halfway down I really should’ve thought about The view from halfway down I wish I could’ve known about The view from halfway down
This scene gave me goosebumps since it started, and I couldn't help feeling the tears in my eyes becoming wider and wider. The "door" seems like the water while he was falling: becoming closer, even if Secretariat didn't want it to. The subjects from the poem keep changing. 3, 2, 1. But what I love the most is how Will Arnett portrays his feelings. He is breathing heavily, his voice breaks, and sometimes he talks very fast, like if he's running out of time. But the thing is, there's no "if", because he is.
I’m a teen with diagnosed depression and anxiety. I’ve been suicidal. This poem helped me see the horrors of suicide. It’s a relieving take on the goriness of it, rather than the dramatization often seen in other medias. Bojack horseman is a show that I’m constantly watching to remind myself that I’m not alone. That I’m not the only one that feels like this.
You wanna know what's sadder, Bojack wanted his father to be Secretariat, only to discover in the episode that his Father wanted to be seen someone he looked up to! This why he appeared as the Track Star he Idolized. And Butterscotch goes on to reveal that he was Afraid...afraid of being loved, his didn't know how to recieve love and return it in Kind! He felt it made him weaker, so he acted like he didn't care...only to show that he really did. He wrote the poem after hearing Secretariat died, as if to joke about it....only for him to realize...that his days were numbered too.
I don't know, Since the episode was all in Bojack's head, I think it could be more of a representation of Bojack attempting to understand his father's toxic impact on him, as he did in 'Free Churro' with his mother's last words, only to discover there was nothing to it.
@@isaiahwilliams2642 There's always a reason for something to be. Sure, we can't deny that Butterscotch was a shitty person, but from what some of us know about Death, is that when you're so close to it, you can see things...learn things. Maybe it is Bojack's mind fighting to stay alive. To others, there is only Darkness. The void to which all people, who they are, their very being gets sucked into the all consuming nothingness that is death. Maybe that's the truth, maybe all that Bojack was seeing was another drug infused dreamstate, or maybe he was visiting a supernatural place that did house most of the people in his life that he cared about, even his mother, even though she was an old disgruntled woman who had a terrible time showing any affection. It's funny, his Dead Uncle was there too, and he seemed to be genuine and truthful about his experience even though we never really knew how he died in the War up to this point. And then there's his father. It makes sense to.me that his father would read a poem, he's a writer. But her he is, standing in Secretariat's shoes and telling his son the truth about what he felt...strange no? That somehow in death, the truth can be found.
Daniel Ramsey my take away was that butterscotch was so absent from bojack a life that bojack never really knew who his father was but always hoped that his father loved him. So bojack idolized secretariat In place of his absent father. That also means that the scene in which butterscotch as secretariat was saying he loves bojack and wished he could be a better dad probably isn’t actually what butterscotch felt, it was just what bojack hopes that would be the way his father actually felt about him and there was a reason why his dad was so awful to him. Sort of like a call back to dianes fixation on “good damage”
i never realized that Secratariat was voiced by john krasinski or jim from the office but secratariat / butterscotch is voiced by Will Arnett. I just assumed secratariat was voiced by Will Arnett for some reason
Bojack never heard Secretariat's message on TV as a kid, but the show ended with Bojack doing exactly what Secretariat told him to do. The show ended implying that Bojack will not give up and keep moving forward.
Ben Watson Bojack’s life really isn’t all that great still. He can learn to appreciate what he has left when he’s stuck in prison.. but when he gets out, who knows?
@@InfamousJJ420 honestly, I think that's the big message of Bojack. Even when the 'show' is over, life goes on, and you have to keep living... Who knows if Bojack will be alright after prison? But he's going to keep living his life, and so does everyone else, yknow?
I mean it’s called post traumatic stress disorder so if that scene managed to traumatize this person to an extreme amount and for multiple days they can’t stop thinking about and are often anxious and sweating because of it then it could be a case of PTSD. For a television episode to have that effect seems rather unlikely, but not impossible. Ultimately, it’s really dependent on this person’s previous mental state.
As someone who has tried to kill themselves and has struggled with suicidal thoughts, this scene really hit home for me. I was crying so hard. It reminded me of the immense guilt I felt afterwards. I never knew why I never went through with my plan to, I think this scene describes the regret I would've felt if I did. I genuinely appreciate this scene from the bottom of my heart and I'm so glad I was able to watch the show :) Edit: the letters weren't spaced, lol
When i saw this episode it hit me so hard, when you've experienced losing someone to suicide you cant help but think if in those moments they regretted it. They probably did.
I always wondered if Bojack’s letter triggered some repressed memories in Secretariats past and that’s why he killed himself. It certainly seems that way.
If I remember correctly, at the beginning of the episode Secretariat says that the worst day in his life was the day he got banned from racing. So I wouldn’t say it had anything to do with Bojack himself
It was him getting Banned from Racing. It happens with a TON of Athletes, the concept of "It's Over". Just imagine that the only good thing Secretariat was good at, running, was taken away and even more, disgraced from it. When a pro athlete retires, they have spent about half of their lives playing a sport they can no longer play, and are left with a future they at times don't know what to do with.
Don't forget that he also lost his brother on (I believe) the same day or very very recently after losing his eligibility to race. He sent his brother off to fight in Vietnam in exchange for his endorsement of Nixon and ability to stay home. Secretariat sent his brother off to die in his place and can't even do the thing he stayed behind to do.
I've stood at that door before, took a lot for me not to walk through. Whatever your reason, whoever it was, however way you came to it, you did not make the wrong choice. Thank you for being here, those around you thank you too.
I absolutely love this show's depiction of death. Everybody has their own perspectives on it, some more positive or more negative than others. In this show, it's presented in both ways. The dark of oblivion may seem frightening in its endlessness, hence Secretariat and Courduroy's last minute change of heart towards it. But to others, the idea of nothing after death is a kind of comfort, knowing that they will no longer suffer the agonies of life, hence Herb and Beatrice's kind of acceptance towards it. I love this show so much.
I think it was the second man to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge and survive, who said afterward that the moment his feet left the ground, he thought *"WHAT AM I DOING?!"* Another one said after "Halfway down, I thought it was a bad idea."
Meaning of life is to live. I loved the bojack ending bc it shows him accepting his mortality and maybe just maybe it can start changing him for better But like creators say he's gonna just continue being a person
Ending this show was the biggest tragedy that shook my life.. this show helped me more than any therapists or Counsellor.. Watching this show helped me through a lot of shit... I hope it comes back.. I feel a connection to bojack as a person we are a like.. 😞 I feel empty without this show.
life is one big torture experiment you can't live it but you can't live without it and eventually you are going to be forced to live without it because it's not forever it's a living hell literally
At 2:06 when the audience starts to cheer because they thought it was over, but Secretariat says that in fact he is not done. Deciding to take your own life takes a lot of contemplating, and well, it doesn't just end like that decided on how you're gonna do it. It's a painful process sometimes physically just as mentally. Even though there is nothing beyond death, whether or not that is a relief or a fear, it doesn't just always end like that, for example Bojack thinking Secretariat did regret taking his own life.
i have never watched bojack horseman in my life but i think this might have actually like. sobered me up from being drunk on a longing to die. i guess i needed to hear this, i think its gonna stick with me for a while
wvlfsbane it’s honestly a phenomenal show, you just got to get through the first half of season 1. It’s helped me get through very dark times and I’m glad the video make a difference. ❤️
I just love how this scene describes the true about an attemp suicide. suicide isnt a exit, suicide doesnt mean freedom you never know why you decide to do it survive a atemp to suicide is cruel and horrible you just thinking about how you was close to spend your last 3 secods or minutes discovering that action isnt solving anything ... its HARD to swallow Empathize with a person who looked so sure that do it was the best ... Man ... What could be so bad, very bad, enough to saw death like an answer? what could be so hard to live? how much was the pain or the unsenseless vision of what is life? If you feel bad, and recently have deadly thoughts, please, search for help
The other side. How is it not freedom? How is it not escape? As humans, we scratched and clawed to become the top of the food chain. That wasn't from missionary work, and contributions and foundations. That was survival. True we are much more docile now. Nothing truly fully leaves however as this wonderful and profound show has taught us. People can be so cruel. Kids, old people, regular aged adults. The regular aged adult demographic is the one that kills me no pun initially intended. As a person with combat background and suffers from Ptsd (which is bigger portion of the public that we'd like to admit also does but I digress) I've seen some of my compatriots succumb to their inner demons. It might not be the best option. Yet, I think some people truly have a leg to stand on when they might view it as an escape.
I understand that it was bojack's father's voice in secretariat's body in his dream.....but i was looking forward to hearing john krasinski again when i realised hes back in this episode
Live for yourself and the good moments you’ll have Live for all the little things if there isn’t something bigger You have one life and it’s yours to live
Jumping and hanging are some of the scariest suicides there is, because you're still alive (if you miscalculated the hanging technique) and struggling, struggling to be safe again. You see and feel your life coming to an end, and you can't stop panicking because every fiber of your body is trying to fight this. There may be times where people are saved, but a lot of the times, their decision was final. The difference between jumping and hanging is that with hanging, you're fighting to free yourself... But with jumping, you have more time for your life to flash by, more regret builds up. It is such an awful way to go, suicide should never be an answer. Please, if you're thinking of committing suicide, get some help, professional or not. Please don't ruin your life, or ruin others lives. The death of a loved one is impossible to overcome, you can't be happy when you know that important person in your life is gone forever.
So true! My world was shattered when my friend killed himself in 2016. I lived as a ghost. I couldn't forgive myself for not somehow being a better friend to know it would happen and save him. I still miss him everyday. I hope anyone who thinks about suicide can find the strength to talk to someone about their problems. By speaking them out loud you can come to terms with things and hear how ridiculous some notions are, like for me that I should punish myself for losing a friend. Life is hard and being happy is something you have to choose for yourself, and believe it or not you can fake it until you make it
More people kill themselves from jumping of bridges than in Japan's suicide forrest We can just see more people in the forrest, so it seems scarier My brother always said perspetion is reality
Shit this is terrifying when you see his jump scene and realize hes talking about realizing it was a mistake to jump once he was halfway down but he couldn’t change what happened at that point
The thing is, this is not the real Secretariat, but just what Bojack saw in the drowning phase. So isn't this just another way the fear of death being manifested in different ways in front of bojack, like the disappearing exit door to his back?
Ashit Mehta it represents someone he looked up to as a father figure. Plus, we never got to see how Bojack reacted when he heard that his idol he looked up to died. Since, Bojack was 9 years old when it happened in his parent’s blunt fashion he probably got the full truth at a young age. I think Secretariat’s death stuck with him because when I first heard the poem I thought of this scene.
Secretariat’s poem goes from third person to second person to first... 3...2...1. Also signifies how suicide can seem so impersonal, but quickly change into something you’re feeling yourself.
Absolute CHILLS For a person who is struggling with dark thoughts to watch this It literally just gives you CHILLS Its like hearing cattle being slaughtered and you're a cow 😬
As a fan of horror and scary movies it’s rare that I get scared watching films or shows but the poem the way it’s performed and the void growing closer before he falls whilst ending the speech honestly made my stomach drop and filled me with panic and fear for the rest of the episode everything was done extraordinarily well from the voice acting to the background music and I both love and hate this episode so much
This will always give me chills. The eerie music, the blackness closing in, and the helpless terror as his final moment is fear and regret. They executed the poem so perfectly even right down to him not finishing his sentence as he disappeared into the void.
It is scary to know that people do sometimes have a moment of serenity where they realize that none of what they thought was so important what was weighing them down really didn't matter and suddenly they change their minds but it's too late they are already on a crash course. Though some people who jump and survive end up turning their lives entirely around while others who survive continue living in a pit of despair where they think not only do they fail at life but they fail at death too...it's chilling
The poem was the breaking point for me. During the latter half of the sixth season there were a few moments where I was on the verge of tears. Hearing that poem - specifically when it took on an even darker tone than it already was - hearing the fear and regret in Secretariat (or, Butterscotch's) voice made me cry like a baby, and continue all throughout the ending of that episode.
You know what I noticed? In the beginning of the poem, Secrarariat uses “his” and “he.” Then in the middle, he uses “you” and then finally, he uses “I.” It’s third person, to second person, to first person. Like he was counting down. 3, 2, 1.
I watched a video one time on people jumping from the golden gate bridge and they kinda just casually mentioned that every single person who managed to survived regretted jumping the moment their feet left the bridge even tho it was sort of a passing observation it stuck with me so deeply (to the point where I thought about it as soon as I saw secretariat jump the first time) and any time when I've dealt with suicidal thoughts the chilling thought of someone regretting that jump once they come face to face with the veiw of halfway down and coming to terms with the irreversable and permanent nature of the mistake that they made snaps me back to reality in an instant I have to be careful to not think about it too much, the amount of people whose perspectives have changed once they see the view from halfway down is a deeply disturbing thought. Especially when you think about what they were thinking and feeling in their final moments.
Sometimes I wonder if they could not get Secretariat's voice actor back, so instead they improvised with Bojack's dad's voice actor. Or, if it was intentional and they planned that from the beginning. Either way it was done really well.
Can we talk a bit about Bojacks conversation with Secretariat/Butterscotch in 'The View from Halfway Down?' Since the episode was really in Bojacks head, is there truth to what his father said about caring? Or is it just a continuation of 'free churro,' where Bojack was grasping for the slightest bit of a connection with his dead parents? An attempt to understand his father's toxic behavior and verbal abuse on Bojack? We'll never really know.
I believe it was Bojack's mind trying to make peace with his father in his last moments, even if the whole conversation was made up
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You could make a whole different show about Butterscotch' life. Not really understanding what other people feel and experience is a huge chunk of all human drama. 'Watchmen' did an underrated job of that, particularly with the Comedian, who is viewed through the memories and impressions of many others, but at the end we still don't know how he himself felt. Because we never get it through his eyes.
There are a couple layers to why Bojack combined Butterscotch and Secattereate as one character. 1. Secattereate is who Bojack "wanted" to be his father as a kid. He was the only one in his childhood who was nice to him and even gave him conformiting advice. So in a way, he is a father figure for Bojack. 2. Both are a reflections of Bojack. Butterscotch shares the same voice as Bojack, and Bojack played Secettereate. He seems himself in both horses. 3. Both have Bojack tragics flaws. Butterscotch was a narcissistic, drunk, self-destructive womanizer who kept hurting the people closet to him. Secattereate had a family friendly celebrity persona that came crashing down when a public scandal revealed his darkest secrets. 4. Both ended their own lives. Secattereate killed himself, but some might argue Butterscotch also killed himself. Some suicidal people can't bring themselves to do it on their own, so they put themselves in dangerous situations that could get them killed Such as when Butterscotch challenge anyone to a deul who didn't like his life's work. Bojack is attempting to kill himself in this scene. 5. Both left behind terrible legacies, which Bojack is also afraid of.
i thought it was also because he was so distant with his father, refusing to read his book bojack couldn't exactly get to know his father as person so he had to fill in the cracks with secretariat
I sincerely hope that if you relate with the feeling of ending your life, you reach out to people, seek therapy. Things can get better, and there's endless accounts of people that are glad they never gave up. Sending you tons of love, brothers and sisters, stay strong and may you continue to bless our lives, even in such a humble way as RUclips comments
This show was an amazing 6 seasons. It's definitely my favorite show ever. "It's all okay now, or it would be, were you not already halfway down." I think I'm scared of death. The entire idea is terrifying. That when its over, its over. Nobody will remember you. What does it feel like to be dead? I don't want to know
Can I just say the only positive thing I found about this was, no matter how sad you are or not want to live anymore, it could seem like a good idea but until you’re half way too late, there’s always be a reason why you shouldn’t, so instead of waiting till you’re half way down, you should wait it out like Secretariat should’ve
Mank Then just...dont say anything. You claim you arent arguing but then proceed to voice what you believe as if anyone asked, just let them believe what they want. Kenley mensah's comment was meant as comfort and you turned it into an unnecessary situation about if theres an afterlife or not, except it was a one sided arguement and everyone just wanted you to lay off. not cool
Mank Yeah I like the sound of that, but maybe thats what you should've just said in the first place. I know your first comment was just quoting the episode, but it could come across as putting down the other comment.
You don't run away and move forward. You confront your problem, solve it as best you can, then move forward, keep running, and don't look back!! Secretariat never solved his problems as a child he just kept running from them and when he lost everything, he realized despite his successes, he never solved his problems with his parents and probably couldn't. No family, no money, and no friends will make any man jump!
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Damn.... that is gut wrenching. Don't commit suicide, guys. You might regret it, when it's already too late.
You are awesome. You are precious in any way. And if your own head tells you otherwise, get help! You are the first AND last person in the world, who should love yourself as you are.
You are wonderful and you have a purpose - you might just not have found it, yet. And believe me. Even if it is dark - it will get better someday. Because sometimes life is a bitch... and then you keep on living. No one ever said it has to be fun. Existing is hard. But the art is to make the best out of it. It's all a matter of perspective.
That’s why I love how the final season ended, instead of being at peace and embracing death he realized there’s so much more to live for.
When I was 15, back in 2014, I tried to hang myself with a dog collar and a ceiling fan. The view I got from hanging, my legs shaking struggling to reach the floor only 10centimeters bellow, my hands despeartly trying to unhook the collar. It was the longest 4 seconds of my life until the collar snapped due to my weight and I fell back down. Funny, the moment my toes left the chair I realized I could fix every single problem that I was facing, every single problem but the one I was facing at that very moment; the view from halfway down.
i was thinking bout killing myself but i think i’ll wait just a few more in case
@@nasser314 bruh thats deep
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I'm so glad you're okay now dude I can't imagine how that'd feel.
This minute long anti suicide psa did more for me than three seasons of thirteen reasons why ever will
There is so much in this show. For me it was both "Don't stop dancing" songs. Just keep going til that curtain falls.
@PUNMPKIN gonna need a sauce for this bro
@PUNMPKIN Yup, it's called the Werther Effect, it's a well documented phenomenom... kinda why the experts Netflix hired told them not to portray the suicide the way they did...
I always thought that jumping off a building or something would be a peaceful way to go, and to be honest i had considered it several times throughout my life. the poem absolutely changed my perspective entirely, i mean i had never even considered ‘the view from halfway down’ and how you’d feel as you’re falling. it fucks me up how i close I’ve been several times in my life to my own realization of that caliber
13 reasons why made me want to kill myself.
Not because of the way it glorified suicide as a weapon against those that have "wronged" you. It was just such a bad show that I honestly didn't want to live in a world where it exists.
The worst part of this for me is how little Bojack never even heard the message Secretariat had for him on the tv because his parents were arguing
I never caught that .. damn
I think he had, just because running away from your problems is pretty bad advice and bojack’s seemed to internalise it a lot
@@harryoneil4791 he didn't really say to run away though. He said to run forward, as in push through. It ties in literally with the episode(s?) Where bojack took up running as a way to get better
Simon Taylor I don’t know, like when he says ‘don’t look back’, he very well could’ve been trying to say that but bojack May have misunderstood which would add a lot more tragedy to the whole show
I think he did hear it, hence the reason he considers running with those horses at the end of season 3 i think
This scene with the looming void creeping closer and closer was honestly terrifying.
It was nice enough to wait for him to be done
Imagine if it'd been live action
I almost had a panic attack during the whole the episode, having had a NDE before myself.
agree, i felt afraid and sad with those poems, everyone knew that secretariat/bojack dad, will enter to the dark hole, but in the inside i really wish to stop the scene, he was so stress at the end. love the mix of character, really good narrative decision. saludos
That moment when you realise its the Ground and when the Ground gets closer he starts to panic
They really did their research. People who survive their suicide attempts (from jumping I believe) often talk about how halfway down they change their minds. How suddenly they realize they don’t want to die they just want to stop hurting. It’s honestly chilling.
That poem is strangely beautiful
@@Claudanne2 then it's not strange, it's just beautiful cause it is :)
"I realized everything could be better, I could change things. But I was falling. I couldn't change that." -Ken Baldwin
Its like you have another person within you that always wants you to survive. When you try kill yourself, there's always this voice that wouldn't let you do it. Sometimes the voice is louder and sometimes its not.
I immediately caught that as it was happening! The door went closer and closer to him as he spoke, and it ended without him getting his peace.
"When I grow up, I want to be just like you...."
Damn.
Careful what you wish for
Yikes if we only were kids were not so naive
Reminds me of when bojack ran off set of Ethan around when the little girl said that exact thing to bojack... damn this fucking show...
Dead.
Aged well, yet didn't
I find interesting that is Herb the one who tells him to find peace. He is the one who accepted dead the most because of his cancer.
Also herb denied bojack closure when by not forgiving him before his death, seems fitting
@@santiagoch2451 Herb didn't owe Bojack forgiveness.
@@EclecticallyEccentric exactly but it also is not healthy to hold a grudge for as long as he did
- Oh, Bojack...There is no other side...This is it. (Calm smile as he is consumed)
"I'm not done, hold on, I'm not done"
I'm not done (clears throat)
He had more he wanted to say... But he'll never be able to finish because of the choice he made
Did anyone else notice the way the poem was written? It went from third person, to second person, to first person.
3...2...1...
Not really but I see it now
Someone left this comment in another video about this scene, but another detail in the poem is that as Secretariat begins the poem, he’s very confident and clearly spoken and then gets more uncertain the closer he comes to actually dying. The viewpoint in his poem starts in third person, then goes to second, then first. The closer he is, the more real it is, the more he realizes it’s too late.
3...2...1
Jesus Christ the fucking layers to this is unreal.
I'm 40 years old and I genuinely can't think of a moment in tv or film where the use of poetry was more effective.
Kuala If you're talking about Breaking Bad, the poem itself didn't actually come up in the show, just the title.
I do remember hearing that a bunch of people who survived suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate bridge IMMEDIATELY regretted their descision when they took the plunge. Interesting read if you're an avid googler.
do you have a source ? it may change the decision i want to take 😅
Szlendak abc7news.com/2010562 here’s a source I found
All what you need to start appreciating life again is a little scare
Endorphins and adrenaline. They're a strong mood booster and they flood your brain in life and death situations. That's why the instant regret.
Thanks for that. That is fascinating
A two minute scene from BH will prevent more suicides than one whole season of 13 Reasons Why.
Well, that's right... because "13 reasons why" actually encouraged suicide.
@@SAMMYTASTISCH I saw one episode and it made me wanna kill myself so I agree with your comment.
@@SAMMYTASTISCH yah my friends suicide was severely effected by 13 reasons why. The show falsely represents mental illness and justifies their actions by saying, "were getting more attention for mental illness" but also romanticizing it, and making it dramatic, rather than scary. This scene was haunting because it showed that suicide doesnt have a flip switch, once you've started you can't come back. That's why people regretted jumping halfway down. Because their no way back up. Everything ends. That's what's scary about suicide. I think if this show came out earlier, I think she might have realized that.
@@SAMMYTASTISCH well I don't think we know it increased it, but it sure as shit didn't discourage it. Showed off using the method of killing yourself to hurt people who've hurt you. Arguably, that actually encourages it.
@@LucolanYT well that's... Whatever the opposite of promising is. Inauspicious?
Fuck I used to think Sarah Lyn's final moments would be the only one that I would consistently cry at. But now this. I can't watch this without tearing up. This poem combined with that beautiful performance and terrifying abyss is godlike.
This was the most terrifying anti-suicide ad I've ever seen
Honestly, it's the first time I watch a show talk about suicide and it doesn't make me want to kill myself.
Honestly its like giving people brutal reality is a better psa than empty platitudes and too extreme positivity
It's terrifying that last line. Once you are at that mark, it's too late.
MakaniiStorm I know this is unrelated to the comment, but nice pfp of Dan dude. XD
@@MuffinMythos Cheers man
What I found interesting about the poem from “The View From Halfway Down” was how Secratariat/Butterscotch explained Secretariat’s death. What we never got to see was Bojack’s reaction as a 9 year old hearing about his death. Knowing his parents they most likely didn’t sugarcoat what had happened. So I believe that event really stuck with him throughout his life hence the similarities within the scenes. What’s even more heartbreaking is Bojack never hearing his advice in the first place but somehow taking it later in life with how the plot panned out.
I think part of it is that, hard, cold, forward. But how it portrays jumping from a bridge of killing yourself. At first, it feels freeing, that everything will be washed away. But all the survivors of people jumping from bridges all say the same thing, they regret it. Because once you step off, and feeling of freedom drops, and you realize at that point, that's the end. And you regret it. Because in those last seconds, your brain wants out, you want out, and you realized, there is nothing you can do.
I’m sure he heard it eventually. As big of a fan as he was of his I’m sure he would have sought it out. At worst, someone asked him about it, and then he found out. By the time he was filming Secretariat, there’s no question he had seen that clip.
@@tttgggccc no, the moral is dont do it. theres always another way, and being able to think about it right before it happens, being faced with the point of no return, makes people realize that.
@@thereisnofood2008 its the survival instinct in your brain. people who do it other ways are fine
@@tttgggccc actually, 90% of ALL suicide survivors never attempt again (and yes, thats including those who tried it via more lethal methods, such as a gun to the head). its not just the survival instinct (though, that adrenaline rush does help quite a bit). no, its the realization that this is it. that youre really about to be gone forever, or that you were almost gone forever. its the realization after surviving, about how terrifying suicide actually is. suicide is tragically horrible. i have no fucking clue what you mean by "fine". theyre not fine. people who succeed are dead. thats not fine, thats terrible. i think you missed the point of the poem.
Last year, I attempted suicide by overdose on xanax. There was a moment where I woke up and I couldn’t move. My body was in so much aching pain and I really thought I was going to die. It‘s the most scary thing I have ever been through. I don’t know. Even after going through that, I still sometimes have reoccurring suicidal thoughts. After watching Secretariat’s speech, I had a panic attack. It was so terrifying to realise that the “I’m going to die and I can’t do anything” feeling I had was valid and real and a thing that other people go through and have gone through, and maybe not survived like I had. I’ve decided to start making changes to my life. Suicide is not an answer. I don’t know. I’ve been through multiple psychologists, and psychiatrists and doctors. I’ve been to hospital before. It sounds ridiculous, but this cartoon was the fucking thing that actually hit me and told me I needed to get fucking better and snap out of my suicide ideation. That it wasn’t the magical solution. Thank you so fucking much to Alison Tafel and Will Arnett. I am so grateful
This is heartbreaking to hear. I am so glad to hear that you survived and got the help you need. But I hope you are doing better now. Just know that there are people out there, like myself, who are happy that you are still alive.
I love you so much
@@Ivan-mp7pt why do I have that same thought every time I read someone else's suicide or depression story? "I love you so much" it's not romantic or platonic or sexual or familiar. It's an entirely different kind of love that I only ever feel when I read or hear about someone else's struggle to just live. I can't explain it. I don't understand it but it gives me more strength to keep going than anything else.
@@64raptor I think it's "agape," or the love for humanity.
This scene terrified me more than any scene in the show before. I've been dealing with depression since I was a kid, always wondered why I wasnt dead yet and stop making my family miserable with my existence. When my depression became so bad I became unable to keep my life together, all I could think about was dying. But I was too scared of actually killing myself. I realized I couldnt keep going like that and spent 6 weeks in a mental hospital to get help. I thought I was just a useless coward who couldnt even commit suicide. I still kept thinking like this after leaving the hospital. 4 years after leaving the hospital and watching this scene, I finally realized why I couldnt kill myself: I was too terrified of the moment when I was dying and didnt want to go anymore but it's too late to go back. Thank goodness I made the right decision back then. I would never want to experience this moment in my life😰
Yh at the end life is too precious to just simply quit like that its simply on our gens
Nike.
Glad to have you around.
Just be glad that your existence is safe and sound. I hope you feel better.
Glad we still have you.
You wanna know something scary? This reflects a very real thing that happens with people who jump to their deaths.
Those who have survived jumping off bridges talk about how, as soon as their feet leave the ledge, they feel regret, followed by fear as they get closer and closer to the ground.
Bojack Horseman is finished and everything is worse now.
At least it ended positively.
@@funnyguy5848 There was no ending
@@DarkTigress there's two, pick your favorite
@@TeamKatastrophe not really. There isn't a definitive ending which is nice considering how the show never believed the idea of end. It's open to interpretation and gives a potential closure to its major characters.
There is no happily ever after. Just the morning after.
I'm more terrified by Herb saying, "find your peace, big guy. Find it."
The View from Halfway Down Poem
The weak breeze whispers nothing
The water screams sublime
His feet shift, teeter-totter
Deep breath, stand back, it’s time
Toes untouch the overpass
Soon he’s water bound
Eyes locked shut but peek to see
The view from halfway down
A little wind, a summer sun
A river rich and regal
A flood of fond endorphins
Brings a calm that knows no equal
You’re flying now
You see things much more clear than from the ground
It’s all okay, it would be
Were you not now halfway down
Thrash to break from gravity
What now could slow the drop
All I’d give for toes to touch
The safety back at top
But this is it, the deed is done
Silence drowns the sound
Before I leaped I should’ve seen
The view from halfway down
I really should’ve thought about
The view from halfway down
I wish I could’ve known about
The view from halfway down
from 3rd to 2nd to 1st perspective........ 3 2 1
@@alikhatraa.8889 OMG
I'm still not recovered from Episode 15 and here I am, watching this
This scene gave me goosebumps since it started, and I couldn't help feeling the tears in my eyes becoming wider and wider. The "door" seems like the water while he was falling: becoming closer, even if Secretariat didn't want it to. The subjects from the poem keep changing. 3, 2, 1. But what I love the most is how Will Arnett portrays his feelings. He is breathing heavily, his voice breaks, and sometimes he talks very fast, like if he's running out of time. But the thing is, there's no "if", because he is.
I’m a teen with diagnosed depression and anxiety. I’ve been suicidal. This poem helped me see the horrors of suicide. It’s a relieving take on the goriness of it, rather than the dramatization often seen in other medias. Bojack horseman is a show that I’m constantly watching to remind myself that I’m not alone. That I’m not the only one that feels like this.
You wanna know what's sadder, Bojack wanted his father to be Secretariat, only to discover in the episode that his Father wanted to be seen someone he looked up to! This why he appeared as the Track Star he Idolized. And Butterscotch goes on to reveal that he was Afraid...afraid of being loved, his didn't know how to recieve love and return it in Kind! He felt it made him weaker, so he acted like he didn't care...only to show that he really did. He wrote the poem after hearing Secretariat died, as if to joke about it....only for him to realize...that his days were numbered too.
I don't know, Since the episode was all in Bojack's head, I think it could be more of a representation of Bojack attempting to understand his father's toxic impact on him, as he did in 'Free Churro' with his mother's last words, only to discover there was nothing to it.
@@isaiahwilliams2642
There's always a reason for something to be. Sure, we can't deny that Butterscotch was a shitty person, but from what some of us know about Death, is that when you're so close to it, you can see things...learn things. Maybe it is Bojack's mind fighting to stay alive.
To others, there is only Darkness. The void to which all people, who they are, their very being gets sucked into the all consuming nothingness that is death. Maybe that's the truth, maybe all that Bojack was seeing was another drug infused dreamstate, or maybe he was visiting a supernatural place that did house most of the people in his life that he cared about, even his mother, even though she was an old disgruntled woman who had a terrible time showing any affection.
It's funny, his Dead Uncle was there too, and he seemed to be genuine and truthful about his experience even though we never really knew how he died in the War up to this point.
And then there's his father. It makes sense to.me that his father would read a poem, he's a writer. But her he is, standing in Secretariat's shoes and telling his son the truth about what he felt...strange no? That somehow in death, the truth can be found.
@@danielramsey6141 That's a good point. I won't deny your interpretation.
Daniel Ramsey my take away was that butterscotch was so absent from bojack a life that bojack never really knew who his father was but always hoped that his father loved him. So bojack idolized secretariat In place of his absent father. That also means that the scene in which butterscotch as secretariat was saying he loves bojack and wished he could be a better dad probably isn’t actually what butterscotch felt, it was just what bojack hopes that would be the way his father actually felt about him and there was a reason why his dad was so awful to him. Sort of like a call back to dianes fixation on “good damage”
@@ubergammer00
That could be the truth of it too. But we'll never truly know. I guess we can Only provide a truth from our point of view.
i never realized that Secratariat was voiced by john krasinski or jim from the office but secratariat / butterscotch is voiced by Will Arnett. I just assumed secratariat was voiced by Will Arnett for some reason
And Crackerjack is voiced by Lin Manuel Miranda!
Bojack never heard Secretariat's message on TV as a kid, but the show ended with Bojack doing exactly what Secretariat told him to do. The show ended implying that Bojack will not give up and keep moving forward.
Ben Watson Bojack’s life really isn’t all that great still. He can learn to appreciate what he has left when he’s stuck in prison.. but when he gets out, who knows?
@@InfamousJJ420 honestly, I think that's the big message of Bojack. Even when the 'show' is over, life goes on, and you have to keep living... Who knows if Bojack will be alright after prison? But he's going to keep living his life, and so does everyone else, yknow?
Secretariat is gone, and Bojack is worse now.
Nah, he's better now. He learnt. He got what he deserved, and took it with peace.
His struggle at the was terrifying
"Dont stop running / Dont stop dancing"
Bruno Martins what does “don’t stop running or dancing” means?
@@moonxx1392 He kind of make up the threating to little Sarah Lynn based on Sacretariat speech and mixed with Beatrice lecture.
I'm pretty sure this episode gave me PTSD. I walked around in a dark fugue for days after.
I’m sorry but, how can an episode even give you PTSD? I mean, get the horrible feeling after, but I think that’s just not how PTSD works
I mean it’s called post traumatic stress disorder so if that scene managed to traumatize this person to an extreme amount and for multiple days they can’t stop thinking about and are often anxious and sweating because of it then it could be a case of PTSD. For a television episode to have that effect seems rather unlikely, but not impossible. Ultimately, it’s really dependent on this person’s previous mental state.
@@direlinqqed *sigh* I didn't mean literally.
@@thec0nductor537 I didn't mean literally, Dr. RUclips.
Diarrhea Sharts I didn’t particularly believe you did but I posted what I did anyways:P
As someone who has tried to kill themselves and has struggled with suicidal thoughts, this scene really hit home for me. I was crying so hard. It reminded me of the immense guilt I felt afterwards. I never knew why I never went through with my plan to, I think this scene describes the regret I would've felt if I did. I genuinely appreciate this scene from the bottom of my heart and I'm so glad I was able to watch the show :) Edit: the letters weren't spaced, lol
Thank you for sharing, I’m glad youre still here.
When i saw this episode it hit me so hard, when you've experienced losing someone to suicide you cant help but think if in those moments they regretted it. They probably did.
I always wondered if Bojack’s letter triggered some repressed memories in Secretariats past and that’s why he killed himself. It certainly seems that way.
If I remember correctly, at the beginning of the episode Secretariat says that the worst day in his life was the day he got banned from racing. So I wouldn’t say it had anything to do with Bojack himself
It was him getting Banned from Racing. It happens with a TON of Athletes, the concept of "It's Over". Just imagine that the only good thing Secretariat was good at, running, was taken away and even more, disgraced from it. When a pro athlete retires, they have spent about half of their lives playing a sport they can no longer play, and are left with a future they at times don't know what to do with.
Don't forget that he also lost his brother on (I believe) the same day or very very recently after losing his eligibility to race.
He sent his brother off to fight in Vietnam in exchange for his endorsement of Nixon and ability to stay home.
Secretariat sent his brother off to die in his place and can't even do the thing he stayed behind to do.
I've stood at that door before, took a lot for me not to walk through. Whatever your reason, whoever it was, however way you came to it, you did not make the wrong choice. Thank you for being here, those around you thank you too.
This episode has traumatized me to such a degree that I'm 100% certain that fucking door is gonna be there to take me as I die.
Sad and terrifying
This one scene did more for suicide prevention than three seasons of 13 reason why
I absolutely love this show's depiction of death. Everybody has their own perspectives on it, some more positive or more negative than others. In this show, it's presented in both ways.
The dark of oblivion may seem frightening in its endlessness, hence Secretariat and Courduroy's last minute change of heart towards it. But to others, the idea of nothing after death is a kind of comfort, knowing that they will no longer suffer the agonies of life, hence Herb and Beatrice's kind of acceptance towards it.
I love this show so much.
I think it was the second man to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge and survive, who said afterward that the moment his feet left the ground, he thought *"WHAT AM I DOING?!"* Another one said after "Halfway down, I thought it was a bad idea."
it’s beautiful see how the serie means for a lot of us.
Meaning of life is to live. I loved the bojack ending bc it shows him accepting his mortality and maybe just maybe it can start changing him for better
But like creators say he's gonna just continue being a person
Ending this show was the biggest tragedy that shook my life.. this show helped me more than any therapists or Counsellor.. Watching this show helped me through a lot of shit... I hope it comes back.. I feel a connection to bojack as a person we are a like.. 😞 I feel empty without this show.
life is one big torture experiment you can't live it but you can't live without it and eventually you are going to be forced to live without it because it's not forever it's a living hell literally
Yh but the fact we are creatures with a self preserving natures shows we are more than robots and we are children of god
i just realized that his poem goes from 3rd perspective to 2nd to 1st, and the door gets closer with each change. almost like a countdown to death.
At 2:06 when the audience starts to cheer because they thought it was over, but Secretariat says that in fact he is not done. Deciding to take your own life takes a lot of contemplating, and well, it doesn't just end like that decided on how you're gonna do it. It's a painful process sometimes physically just as mentally. Even though there is nothing beyond death, whether or not that is a relief or a fear, it doesn't just always end like that, for example Bojack thinking Secretariat did regret taking his own life.
I like your take on this, I didn’t think to connect the audience cheering to him finally doing the deed.
i have never watched bojack horseman in my life but i think this might have actually like. sobered me up from being drunk on a longing to die. i guess i needed to hear this, i think its gonna stick with me for a while
wvlfsbane it’s honestly a phenomenal show, you just got to get through the first half of season 1. It’s helped me get through very dark times and I’m glad the video make a difference. ❤️
Sincere best of luck to you out there friend. How ever many times you slip and fall you can always dust yourself off and stand back up again.
I just love how this scene describes the true about an attemp suicide.
suicide isnt a exit, suicide doesnt mean freedom
you never know why you decide to do it
survive a atemp to suicide is cruel and horrible
you just thinking about how you was close to spend your last 3 secods or minutes discovering that action isnt solving anything ... its HARD to swallow
Empathize with a person who looked so sure that do it was the best ... Man ...
What could be so bad, very bad, enough to saw death like an answer? what could be so hard to live? how much was the pain or the unsenseless vision of what is life?
If you feel bad, and recently have deadly thoughts, please, search for help
The other side.
How is it not freedom? How is it not escape? As humans, we scratched and clawed to become the top of the food chain.
That wasn't from missionary work, and contributions and foundations. That was survival. True we are much more docile now. Nothing truly fully leaves however as this wonderful and profound show has taught us.
People can be so cruel. Kids, old people, regular aged adults. The regular aged adult demographic is the one that kills me no pun initially intended.
As a person with combat background and suffers from Ptsd (which is bigger portion of the public that we'd like to admit also does but I digress) I've seen some of my compatriots succumb to their inner demons. It might not be the best option. Yet, I think some people truly have a leg to stand on when they might view it as an escape.
@@djdaxfactor the show say it
Theres no other side... this is it
@@gukane4573 Touche my friend😊
I can’t stop crying. My show is over
And everything is worse now
It’s the way it is you know, Every thing must come to an end
The drip finally stops😞
@@ZoomerReal ICU
Don’t stop dancing
I understand that it was bojack's father's voice in secretariat's body in his dream.....but i was looking forward to hearing john krasinski again when i realised hes back in this episode
Live for yourself and the good moments you’ll have
Live for all the little things if there isn’t something bigger
You have one life and it’s yours to live
Jumping and hanging are some of the scariest suicides there is, because you're still alive (if you miscalculated the hanging technique) and struggling, struggling to be safe again. You see and feel your life coming to an end, and you can't stop panicking because every fiber of your body is trying to fight this.
There may be times where people are saved, but a lot of the times, their decision was final.
The difference between jumping and hanging is that with hanging, you're fighting to free yourself... But with jumping, you have more time for your life to flash by, more regret builds up.
It is such an awful way to go, suicide should never be an answer. Please, if you're thinking of committing suicide, get some help, professional or not. Please don't ruin your life, or ruin others lives. The death of a loved one is impossible to overcome, you can't be happy when you know that important person in your life is gone forever.
So true! My world was shattered when my friend killed himself in 2016. I lived as a ghost. I couldn't forgive myself for not somehow being a better friend to know it would happen and save him. I still miss him everyday. I hope anyone who thinks about suicide can find the strength to talk to someone about their problems. By speaking them out loud you can come to terms with things and hear how ridiculous some notions are, like for me that I should punish myself for losing a friend. Life is hard and being happy is something you have to choose for yourself, and believe it or not you can fake it until you make it
The ending of Bojack made me even more terrified of T H E V O I D
More people kill themselves from jumping of bridges than in Japan's suicide forrest
We can just see more people in the forrest, so it seems scarier
My brother always said perspetion is reality
dude this had me breaking apart and just sitting in terrified yet awed silence holy fuck
I burst into tears when he started reading his poem, what a sad time 😔
That speech was honestly the most chilling thing in bojack horseman
Shit this is terrifying when you see his jump scene and realize hes talking about realizing it was a mistake to jump once he was halfway down but he couldn’t change what happened at that point
The thing is, this is not the real Secretariat, but just what Bojack saw in the drowning phase. So isn't this just another way the fear of death being manifested in different ways in front of bojack, like the disappearing exit door to his back?
Ashit Mehta it represents someone he looked up to as a father figure. Plus, we never got to see how Bojack reacted when he heard that his idol he looked up to died. Since, Bojack was 9 years old when it happened in his parent’s blunt fashion he probably got the full truth at a young age. I think Secretariat’s death stuck with him because when I first heard the poem I thought of this scene.
This scene hit me so hard! Right in the feels. Couldn't stop crying... that was too much man!🥺😥😢🥺🖤
Secretariat’s poem goes from third person to second person to first... 3...2...1. Also signifies how suicide can seem so impersonal, but quickly change into something you’re feeling yourself.
Absolute CHILLS
For a person who is struggling with dark thoughts to watch this
It literally just gives you CHILLS
Its like hearing cattle being slaughtered and you're a cow 😬
While Secretariat denies his allegations, Bojack decided to tell the truth, but spilled out too much as he agreed to speak a second time
Reminds me of The Reynolds Pamphlet, if anyone's a Hamilton fan
Bojack as a kid: "Im a good kid"
Me: YES YOU ARE SUGARCUBE ;-; 💔
He was a good kid... it's such a shame he grew up to be a shit adult.
As a fan of horror and scary movies it’s rare that I get scared watching films or shows but the poem the way it’s performed and the void growing closer before he falls whilst ending the speech honestly made my stomach drop and filled me with panic and fear for the rest of the episode everything was done extraordinarily well from the voice acting to the background music and I both love and hate this episode so much
This will always give me chills. The eerie music, the blackness closing in, and the helpless terror as his final moment is fear and regret. They executed the poem so perfectly even right down to him not finishing his sentence as he disappeared into the void.
It is scary to know that people do sometimes have a moment of serenity where they realize that none of what they thought was so important what was weighing them down really didn't matter and suddenly they change their minds but it's too late they are already on a crash course. Though some people who jump and survive end up turning their lives entirely around while others who survive continue living in a pit of despair where they think not only do they fail at life but they fail at death too...it's chilling
The View From Halfway Down is such a beautiful poem goddamn it touched my soul.
The poem was the breaking point for me. During the latter half of the sixth season there were a few moments where I was on the verge of tears. Hearing that poem - specifically when it took on an even darker tone than it already was - hearing the fear and regret in Secretariat (or, Butterscotch's) voice made me cry like a baby, and continue all throughout the ending of that episode.
You know what I noticed? In the beginning of the poem, Secrarariat uses “his” and “he.” Then in the middle, he uses “you” and then finally, he uses “I.” It’s third person, to second person, to first person. Like he was counting down. 3, 2, 1.
I watched a video one time on people jumping from the golden gate bridge and they kinda just casually mentioned that every single person who managed to survived regretted jumping the moment their feet left the bridge even tho it was sort of a passing observation it stuck with me so deeply (to the point where I thought about it as soon as I saw secretariat jump the first time) and any time when I've dealt with suicidal thoughts the chilling thought of someone regretting that jump once they come face to face with the veiw of halfway down and coming to terms with the irreversable and permanent nature of the mistake that they made snaps me back to reality in an instant
I have to be careful to not think about it too much, the amount of people whose perspectives have changed once they see the view from halfway down is a deeply disturbing thought. Especially when you think about what they were thinking and feeling in their final moments.
Why am I just realizing Secretariat is voiced by John Kransinski in the interview
Sometimes I wonder if they could not get Secretariat's voice actor back, so instead they improvised with Bojack's dad's voice actor. Or, if it was intentional and they planned that from the beginning.
Either way it was done really well.
The father figure in Bojack’s hallucination was a combo of butterscotch and secretariat.
This hurts so much
Can we talk a bit about Bojacks conversation with Secretariat/Butterscotch in 'The View from Halfway Down?'
Since the episode was really in Bojacks head, is there truth to what his father said about caring? Or is it just a continuation of 'free churro,' where Bojack was grasping for the slightest bit of a connection with his dead parents? An attempt to understand his father's toxic behavior and verbal abuse on Bojack?
We'll never really know.
I believe it was Bojack's mind trying to make peace with his father in his last moments, even if the whole conversation was made up
You could make a whole different show about Butterscotch' life.
Not really understanding what other people feel and experience is a huge chunk of all human drama. 'Watchmen' did an underrated job of that, particularly with the Comedian, who is viewed through the memories and impressions of many others, but at the end we still don't know how he himself felt. Because we never get it through his eyes.
There are a couple layers to why Bojack combined Butterscotch and Secattereate as one character.
1. Secattereate is who Bojack "wanted" to be his father as a kid. He was the only one in his childhood who was nice to him and even gave him conformiting advice. So in a way, he is a father figure for Bojack.
2. Both are a reflections of Bojack. Butterscotch shares the same voice as Bojack, and Bojack played Secettereate. He seems himself in both horses.
3. Both have Bojack tragics flaws. Butterscotch was a narcissistic, drunk, self-destructive womanizer who kept hurting the people closet to him. Secattereate had a family friendly celebrity persona that came crashing down when a public scandal revealed his darkest secrets.
4. Both ended their own lives. Secattereate killed himself, but some might argue Butterscotch also killed himself. Some suicidal people can't bring themselves to do it on their own, so they put themselves in dangerous situations that could get them killed
Such as when Butterscotch challenge anyone to a deul who didn't like his life's work. Bojack is attempting to kill himself in this scene.
5. Both left behind terrible legacies, which Bojack is also afraid of.
i thought it was also because he was so distant with his father, refusing to read his book bojack couldn't exactly get to know his father as person so he had to fill in the cracks with secretariat
damn
Honestly so existentially scary. Has me aching in my chest and lungs watching.
that episode, and especially that scene, made me cry & scream a lot
I sincerely hope that if you relate with the feeling of ending your life, you reach out to people, seek therapy. Things can get better, and there's endless accounts of people that are glad they never gave up. Sending you tons of love, brothers and sisters, stay strong and may you continue to bless our lives, even in such a humble way as RUclips comments
As a person who studies dreams, and what my mind does when I sleep I find that scene really disturbing.
Great edit. At the edge of the seat when it all happened so fast...
How powerful is to realizing that most of the poem aplies to Bojack drowning into the pool
Whatching this episode on ketamine wasnt the best idea lol
Good lord, that sounds terrifying. I'd be way too chicken
I could never
I keep comming back to this... all the time
Great connection you found.
i just can't stop thinking about whether the one i know who killed himself was thinking the same thing when it was already too late.
This show was an amazing 6 seasons. It's definitely my favorite show ever.
"It's all okay now, or it would be, were you not already halfway down."
I think I'm scared of death. The entire idea is terrifying. That when its over, its over. Nobody will remember you.
What does it feel like to be dead? I don't want to know
Can I just say the only positive thing I found about this was, no matter how sad you are or not want to live anymore, it could seem like a good idea but until you’re half way too late, there’s always be a reason why you shouldn’t, so instead of waiting till you’re half way down, you should wait it out like Secretariat should’ve
The most chilling scene I think I've ever seen from the show ngl and that's saying a LOT
This reminded me of Eitika 💔
He's at peace now, let your soul rest and try to think about his good days
@@user-wx8mi1pd6g oh, ppl assuming things again.
Bruno Martins it’s a line from the show, but still pretty disrespectful used in this context
Mank Then just...dont say anything. You claim you arent arguing but then proceed to voice what you believe as if anyone asked, just let them believe what they want. Kenley mensah's comment was meant as comfort and you turned it into an unnecessary situation about if theres an afterlife or not, except it was a one sided arguement and everyone just wanted you to lay off. not cool
Mank Yeah I like the sound of that, but maybe thats what you should've just said in the first place. I know your first comment was just quoting the episode, but it could come across as putting down the other comment.
Just keep dancing
Great advice, has never done anyone wrong
Except for Sarah Lynn
This hit me hard, i think this speech was in my father's mind when he took that decision 😔
Now let’s say that bojack really did die on the episode before the last. That would make his life and secretariats so similar
Bruh this scene is too real every time I hear it, it brings me to tears
i’m rewatching bojack right now just so this scene is more meaningful
Many people dismiss "Bojack Horsman," but damn it's deep at times and hits close to home for many folks out there (me included).
This is arguably the best tv show I’ve ever seen
You don't run away and move forward. You confront your problem, solve it as best you can, then move forward, keep running, and don't look back!! Secretariat never solved his problems as a child he just kept running from them and when he lost everything, he realized despite his successes, he never solved his problems with his parents and probably couldn't. No family, no money, and no friends will make any man jump!