Ali is full of it. Vlad ask how did he contribute to writing parts of Nelly songs and not get credit? Ali says it was for the betterment of the group, what Ali should've said was that we sold our publishing. Ali should've said if I listed myself as a writer of the song my publishing would've went to the people I signed my first contract with
@FrancaFiakpa-pk4qq Why can't Ali do a record that somebody likes. Nelly had a helluva career. He don't have to prove NOTHING. Ali needs to prove that he can sell a record. 🤣🤣🤣
@@Smooth-ww1efcuz it take more than just being able to rite good lyrics. Nelly got the star quality that makes it sound better wen he rap it And just because somebody don't sell records don't mean they trash, that got alot to do with politics promotion and budget, shyt like that.
I was 10 when country grammer came out. My friends and I performed "throw dem rappers" at my 5th grade talent show. Nelly was my favorite rapper out of the group but i liked all of them individually. I memorized every single record. Props to Ali for his vision for the group. Im reading all the comments of people psychoanalyzing Ali and trying to figure out what went wrong with the group. But I just wanna give respect to Ali for his vision, comraderie , and his love and support for the younger guys. He held it down and he sounds like a man who cares about his family; He got his priorities right. Perhaps it was a blessing that he didnt get paid all the money he woulda got if he was credited the publishing dividends. Cuz in the end, he still got a good head on his shoulders and he still got his family. Salute 💪🏾
I’ve watched both interviews. Both stories align when it comes to the major events. Nelly leaves a few things out to save time. Ali does his best job to make himself look like the “good guy” or “hero” in almost every scenario. Ali himself said Nelly’s story was 95% true. I believe the 5% that’s probably not true is Nelly not mentioning Ali writing a lot of the material for the album. Outside of that the common denominator is the D2 deal. Ali fucked up, once he signed away his publishing it was a wrap. Nelly was right, if you have so much experience with the industry and you’ve read a book why persuade them to sign that deal? Ali probably needed the money up front at the time let’s keep it real. He can sit there now and say “well someone can buy us out later” but he wasn’t thinking that at the time. He wanted that money up front. It fucked him over in the end. And none of them including Nelly had the $75k to buy them out of their publishing. Thankfully the label came through for Nelly on that one. Blame yourself Ali. And Nelly made sure y’all were still taken care of if his album sold well. By the way one of Ali’s best friends “T Love” was present during Nelly’s interview and only corrected him one time. That should tell you all you need to know.
Nelly did mention that all the members contributed on the album, including Ali. Listen to Ali's album and then listen to Nelly's album, I don't think Ali wrote Country Grammar with the trash bars from his own album.
Nelly said they all contributed on the country grammar song and batter up nelly made ride with me and ei was the four songs they was shipping around not to mention Ali publishing is still with d2 which is his fault he made the whole group sign a worse deal than tlc and for a person who read a book all about the music buisness it’s no way in the hell he sign them deals
I remember our last show with the Lunatics. They sat in VIP that wasn’t popping it was a local show. They preformed and left it didn’t look like they even spent any money just came to work. Me and my crew preformed popped bottles and fought the security at club Venice and had to bond friends out of jail the next day. They went on to have a good career we went on to hustle die and work jobs. Ali guided them correctly.
I got good guys finish last in this interview. What kills alot of groups is that the contract is not fixed for everyone to win intentionally. No matter how good of a friend you are, remember they have friends too. In the entertainment world nothing is for free no matter how small it is. Separate business and personal feelings at all cost.
I came in rooting for Ali but Bruh came off sounding bitter. All he keeps saying is “I wrote this I wrote that” but then he says they split the Publishing. He talks about the mingling with the Industry but says he wouldn’t go because he wanted to go home. At some point its like Bruh what are you complaining about?
SO... HE WROYE NELLY FIRST ALBUM COUNRTY GRAMMER, 10 MILLION SOLD. HE WROTE THE ST. LUNATICS ALBUM, FREE CITY 2 MILLION SOLD, HE WROTE NELLYS, NELLYVILLE, 4 MILLION SOLD. 16 MILLION ALBUMS SOLD. HE WROTE THEM ALL. BUT HIS SOLO ALBUM AIN'T DO SHIT... SO HE CRIES, " NOBODY HELPED ME"! 😮 REALLY DUDE? YOU WROTE ALL THOSE HITS, AND COULDN'T WRITE ONE FOR YOURSELF? OKAY!
They were huge hits because of Nelly’s star power! Cyhi The Prince writes for Kanye but guess what if he rapped it himself it wouldn’t blow… What is it that y’all don’t get???
@@bruceleroy2335I get what you’re saying but explain how none of Ali’s bars sound fire?? Even if Nelly knows how to deliver, if his rhymes were wack, it doesn’t matter how they’re delivered. Ali can’t deliver or spit good bars!
Ali was the lead and was shocked Cudda said Nelly is the star. He was the star locally but Nelly is what took them global. He didn't get writing credits because HE had them all in a bad publishing deals. Again, the local statement stays true as Nelly himself said D2 believed Ali was going to blow. Murphy Lee is the only one who took the opportunity and ran with it. Even his situation was driven by Nelly even not being signed to him.
All of them had the same opportunity. They all got huge exposure thanks to Nelly. The only one that took advantage was Murphy Lee. Ali tried to drop albums but he's just not that guy. He has no star power or charisma. Nelly said his checks for shows was so big that he brought everyone with him and would basically pay them out his own check. And that they were still getting a bag to the point the rest of them weren't even worried about dropping an album
@@jamesbroomfield7799 that’s why he was following Nelly around instead of working on his album, then blaming Nelly for it flopping.making it seem like he was dragged for free
I rewatched Nelly's interview, and I must say Nelly's version makes more sense. Ali pretty much confirmed what Nelly is saying with a twist. The question that has not been asked is when did the rest of the Lunatics get out of their publishing deal? Ali can say he wrote all of the songs he wants, but if he wasn't trying to do a end around the publishing company it wouldn't be a situation. The company though Ali was going to blow and his buy out was much more than 75k. Ali was hoping that Nelly would just break bread and they would split everything behind closed doors. Nelly would have to pay taxes (money cut) and the Lunatics are living without even paying taxes.
Ali explained it in another interview.....he knew that the first deal was trash but signed it for free studio time so the lunatics could practice recording...cause he knew he could get his publishings back for a low price if the first album was successful!ive listened to both sides and i believe esch one of them are truthful...nelly made it seem like they werent doing anything when in reality he was so hype and confident about himself that he went all the way in...some other members were a lil insecure ....poor stage presence or the rapping was not up to pal so they stayed in the back a little
@@gwensalador4325he can say that NOW, but he wasn’t thinking about that back then. He wanted whatever money they was gonna give them up front. If he had so much experience why sign that trash deal if he knows how the industry works. If they blow up like he claims the buyout will only increase. That makes 0 sense. Ali made a bad decision but can’t own up to it.
@@gwensalador4325 I saw and understand his point of view of signing the basic contract. If we don't blow we just signed a piece of paper, if we do we can but ourselves out. Nelly said he bought himself out for 75k, because the publishing company still thought Ali was the guy. So when Nelly's buy out 75k Ali's buy out COULD HAVE been 200k. Ali not wanting to pay that he wrote with the hope that Nelly would break bread and just cut the publishing company out. As Nelly said once he sold 350k there was a contract for the Lunatics and a separate contract for each individual. At that point why didn't every single one of them go sign and get their check? As far as I know Slo was a hype man, he could have signed a contract and never wrote a rhyme, just as well as the other members. If Nelly would have CONTINUED TO LOOK OUT for the Lunatics they would have been liabilities not assets. Let's say Nelly's booking were for 300k by the time he looks out he's down to 150k. He still has to all of the interviews and whatever else came with it to keep the name buzzing while everyone else goes home.
@@michaelg70 and the deal was 250 if nelly that the whole group got single deals which he did and how can u day ali was hoping nelly brought him out when he was the one who made the group sign them fucked up contracts not to mention nelly still got him a solo deal after that the whole group was told to handle their business with d2 before the tics group album come up unerversal brought nelly shit back he has nothing to do with their buisness they was soppose to handle it they all had free contracts sitting waiting on them the label ain’t want the group nelly was the one saying these contracts don’t look right
If you grew up in this era, Nelly used to get criticized for being a Nursery Rhyme Rapper that’s why him and KRS started beefing. His pen game wasn’t the draw, he just had that IT Factor that drew the people to him 🤷🏾♂️
Ali get off your AZZ, put those tee shirts down, get a job and move on😭. I am happy to see City on stage with NELLY. 🤜🏾🤛🏾Nelly and Ashanti are happy, he won 200 thousands, sole 1/2 of his catalog for 50 million, they got a new baby boy, new house, & Nelly still working! You got Murphy Lee telling the same story you told him to say! Universal ONLY wanted NELLY. Ali you never did anything for the Lunatics but jump out in front of the guys in videos and you lazy AZZ thought you were going to come in manage a group that was already together (were you an original member) that let us know the group was already together)them and make a fee off them. Stop hating!!! When God Bless Nelly you can't stop it! Congratulations 🎉❤💐💓 NELLY & ASHANTI HAYNES 🙏🏿🙏🏼Pray for the HATER'S! Alledgelly!
Lol. Ali says. "That's my mans" when asked why he didn't get credits on the country grammar album smdh. Ali didn't bring up the fact they didn't want credits because D2 owned all their publishing. Smdh. That's why. He was hoping Nelly would just split his own publishing with everyone smh. But Nelly didn't split his publishing but instead just made sure they ate by taking them on his tours. Even Ali said he'd come home from tour with 600k or 700k after taxes. Which means Nelly must've paid him 1mill$. And that's just one tour. So imagine all the tours they've been on. Probably each year they tour. So , imo, Nelly made sure they got compensated. And Nelly said he paid for everything as far as the studio, office and everything else. So I don't see how Ali is butthurt. Nelly made they all ate
Peace to Nelly & Ali life is to short. You guys have family and you both have learned from your past, God has given you health and a sound mind. Enjoy what you have now. I have listen to both of your interviews. from a 70yrs old woman AWESOME MEN BLESSINGS!!!!🙏🏽
Ali never paid to get out of his publishing deal with D2, so that’s why he “gifted” Nelly the raps. Nelly paid the taxes on it. Ali wanted “free money”.
Of all the things said by both parties, my favorite take is… if you wrote all that first album, how come Nellys rhyme style/ quality never changed. Like ever. His metaphors, sound, style never changed. If a person was writing for you, he would sound different from album 1 than the rest.
I remember watching "Beef" Nelly and Ali was joined at the hip. I used to think he wants to be the star, Nelly cant even talk. Now in retrospect I understand why he felt that way. Just gotta take care of your paperwork.
My takeaway from this interview is that Ali is a good, solid brother who wants what he believes he’s owed. Thought he was bitter but came away with a different feeling after watching. Great interview Prez! 💪🏾
If there is any question as to what happened to Ali, besides being trash, he even admits in this interview that he wanted to stay home and Nelly was grinding always doing projects. Idk what outcome he expected with that mindset
He could have marketed himself better.. he wanted to ride Nellys coattails on that. I do believe him on that writing shit tho.. he thought he was gonna get rewarded for his work but unfortunately, shit don’t work that way.
To anyone reading my comment: If you don't understand street "politics" or street "lingo"... Please understand, this guy is an example of a guy with minimal talent. He is talking in circles... In fact, the length of this interview could have been only 30 minutes... This guy is talking "ninja babble" ... LISTEN GUYS: Whenever someone can't give you a Yes/No answer, then that person is Full of Shttt.... Understand?!. ✌🏽🔥💯
This dude Ali is delusional. He signed off all his publishing and told everyone else to do the same. Nellie got lucky and had somebody in his Corner by his publishing back because they saw the writing on the wall and knew he was about to blow. Regardless, if Allie wants his money he needs to go after the publishing people not Nelly. And not only did Nelly make sure they all got solo and group deals, Nelly also brought them along to tour and do shows with him and nelly would pay them out his own pocket. Lets be honest, no promoters gaf about the st lunatics, they wanted Nelly. So nelly gave this dude a ton of opportunities and money. Ali never said shit when nelly was young and touring around the clock etc. But now that nelly is older, and he's probably not touring like he used to so these dudes aint got no bread coming in now. And Ali is delusional. Saying they put each other on. No nelly put his ass on. Nelly could've gotten another writer, or wrote more of his own lyrics. Ali think Nelly desperately needed him. Smh. Its tons of sing writers or rappers out there. Ali is replaceable. But someone like nelly, with his star power and charisma etc, cant be replaced. Or should i say its harder to replace someone like Nelly
The main thing that I would say to Ali is, you were smart enough to know better. If you were the leader and teaching everybody, YOU supposed to know to arrange your publishing cut for writing. YOU supposed to make sure that your cut of the show money comes to you the same exact way it comes to Nelly. You ain’t supposed to wait for Nelly to pay you, you supposed to make managers, labels and promoters pay you your portion separately. If Nelly getting $150k-500k a show and you supposed to get $10k of that, you should’ve signed papers that stated that!!! Shoulda BEEN handled your publishing issues. I respect how he tried to be a stand up dude, but he buggin if he thinks he didn’t play a part in how things turned out. You allowed it to continue the way it did!!!
The problem is that most of those shows, the promoters only wanted Nelly. But Nellie trying to be a team player which still bring the st. Lunatics and basically pay them out of his check. So that's why they had to go to Nellie for their check. Because the promoter never wanted them in the first place. Basically Nellie was doing a solid for these guys, including Ali, but he seems ungrateful. Let's be honest who's going to book Ali for a show and pay him ten or twenty thousand? If it wasn't for Nelly, Ali probably wouldn't have done any shows at all let alone get paid for them
@@jamesbroomfield7799 I get what you’re implying, but what I’m saying is, you only gonna get what you negotiate or allow. From the gate, when they signed deals or hired management, when dealing with compensation, you supposed to have an agreement in place. You don’t wait until it reaches a point where you have to ask or wait for payment from a “group leader”. It should’ve been agreed on contractually that they receive payment the same way Nelly does. Meaning, if Nelly is receiving a check, Ali’s money should come on a check SEPARATE from Nelly’s, that way he’s not waiting to be paid by NELLY. And it should’ve been stated, if you want Nelly, you GOTTA book the ENTIRE group. Trust me, this could’ve been handled better. Listening to both Nelly and Ali tell their sides, it’s just a matter of poor communication.
Ali is cool......he just seems bitter over the Nelly situation.....i guess unfortunately for them, Nelly was the Star star out the group .....but to Nellys defense he gave them all the opportunities to shine on there own throughout the years.....he brought them through the industry doors with him ....the other lunatics unfortunately didn't take enough advantage of the situation and put in enough effort to shine on there own at that time ....seems like they preferred to be attached to Nelly's hip and ride that wave ....20+ years later... now look...can't be mad now because they decided to put all there eggs into the nelly basket (another man) and now they are all 40+ and people grew apart, and they obviously didn't take care of there BUSINESS earlier when the opportunities were available to them...just my opinion
@@antoineward4475 Antoine, relax😂 im not submitting a proof read published article for the paper smh…..YOU completely understand what is being communicated in what I wrote, so what’s your point….even with the grammatical errors ……hopefully your a teacher who suffers from grammatical PTSD and that’s what made you comment on what I wrote and not the need to just write to write something 🥴….be well Antione
@@christopherstevens476you did great and I agree at this point you have to try to make something shake on your own sense you claim to have done so much writing why didn’t he write for others and nobody backs what he says at all
He goes from saying he wrote all Country Grammar, to 90%, to 3 full songs and some verses…smh Got no publishing but claims to be the smart business guy.. 🧢
3 full songs, all other verses except the first one, all chorus and beat selection, production, ideas, concepts, etc, yeah that sounds like most of it to me
Unfortunately they need to squash all this and get back to being friends at least. Ive listened to both sides it sounds Nelly looked out for years paying above market because of friends and loyalty. And Ali said I wanted to be dame dash and Nelly stopped me from eating, Ali is to scatter brained and not a boss or leader. Meaning dame dash hustles like he broke. You said you don't need much and wanna chill in the pool and smoke cigarettes etc in some other interview. Plus you claim you write country grammar and free city but when alis album is ready to come you flop that makes no sense to me. Take responsibility for your album you claim no one helped I doubt that I'm sure the lunatics wanted to help but your ego got in the way thinking your this master writer. To me it sounds the best work came out when all the lunatics wrote for the album that was coming up. Meaning you were a crew and I'm sure hung out in studio helping write Nelly album Murphy album Ali album etc. When Ali did a album with big gipp it flopped. If Ali wanted to get into management or label owner do that shit you met some powerful people over the years that could guide you and you could learn from but like you said Ali you like being at home instead of networking. So I feel Ali in some ways but he's his own enemy and to be honest Nelly held it down for years compared to other groups just saying. I'm on Nelly side just a little more.
he contributed but couldnt put himself as a writer cuz he sold his publishing for free studio time and to ge his 1st single on the radio...ali a dummy and a true hater
Soooooo im not finished watching the video, but I'm pretty sure he just contradicted himself a couple times... He said Nelly never told him that he had an issue with the contracts 20 yrs ago, but earlier in the video he said that he had to talk him into signing the contract... Then he said he pretty taught them how to flow and wrote majority of the hooks for the St. Luanatics album, but Nelly didnt come help him write his... But why would he need help if he's the one taught them everything and been writing most of it??? Is that what he said or am i tripping?
Exactly how u need help but you wrote all those BANGERS! His math ain’t mathing and he just salty af that he couldn’t lead better than his lil homie. Instead he should’ve embraced the fact and Nelly would’ve broke him off well just cause he was they big homie
He should have wrote himself some hits..... Missy Elliott did.... She was writing hits behind the scene for Ginuwine, Tweet, etc... They begged her to cone from behind the scenes and become and artist and the hits kept coming... Where Ali hits at? Kanye was producing and giving Roc A Fella artist hit after hit..... As u see he kept some hits for himself.... Where Ali hits at? IJS
I don't understand the Ali slander in the comments. I saw the Murphy Lee interview BEFORE this interview and he said Ali was the mastermind. He sounds extremely credible to me. They don't owe each other nothing bc they both benefited off each other. In my opinion, Nelly seems more snakeish with his come up.
1:50:50 I understand why Ali was disappointed, but doesn’t Nellys wish prove that the environment they grew up in was clearly a back stabbing, double crossing environment? It sounds like Nelly felt like “if other ppl had wishes, someone may wish harm on me, so NOBODY gets them” makes sense to me
Who wants to listen to some old mad baby daddy who can't do business right and gives another man, who actually does business right and does what the old mad baby daddy claims to have done, all the fault for it?! I love Heavy Starch, I love Kinfolk. They're great albums I still listen to to this day. But they ain't nowhere near Country Grammar. How come 2 of this man's releases only reach the talent that is Country Grammar as a whole at the slightest when Nelly raps a part on your god damn song as a feature? Lyrics wise, melody wise, delivery wise. Everything. Country Grammar is St. Lunatics and you can feel Ali never wanted to be part of it. At least Ali got what he deserved and is just some old mad baby daddy now who still cries about the fact he can't do business right.
People ask why Ali couldn’t be a star. Because Hollywood is about an image. They see a person’s look and if they have any natural talent they work with them.
Ali didn’t start the group according to nelly and Ali quit the group and came back when it was convenient. From the gate of this interview and mishandling of group business highlights this man’s character in my opinion and he is lucky Nelly dealt with him for as long as he did and the group that never showed appreciation when it came to work ethics ect.
Nelly and Murph was a bit more wise to get out those deals Ali had them twisted in. Ali ate well of Nelly success but he wanted and still want more credit than he deserves
I believe Nelly, T Love, was sitting in on Nelly's interview and Nelly kept saying, correct me if I'm lying. TLove is Ali's best friend, and he didn't say word....(in my Nelly voice), Ali fool of shit. Nelly didn't say anything bad about Ali, he was trying to help his ass. He even said some of his music was good. Nelly was right, how you help the group but your shit flopped. Ali did not start the group. Ali fucked them up, they was wayyyyy more loyal to Ali than Nelly. Nelly said they all contributed to country grammar, but didn't wanna say nothing because that terrible deal they signed, D2 would have taken all they money. I guarantee Ali got paid for getting all them to sign! Nigga break it down like Nelly did. And you was dogging Luda because of Chingy, but how you got more loyalty to Chingy, than the nigga you breaking bread with. I don't get it. It's hard listening to Ali. My momma told me when a night stuttering he lying. And Murphy Lee, how he gone be more loyal to Ali, when Nelly got him a solo deal, and talked JD and puffy into putting him on them records. Ali wanted to be front and center, but Nelly was the star. Sounds like the Braxtons story with a Toni.
He was saying Nelly wasn’t there collaborating on Ali’s album like he (and everyone) was with Country Grammar and the Lunatics album. Also, He probably wanted Nellys star-power to help market and sell more.
Someone needs to ask Nelly about the management company that was gonna give Ali 5% of there cut. If Nelly really screwed him out of that deal that’s fucked up
Ali made the group sign a contract that gave up their publishing. When Nky got his so deal his company bought his publishing back for 75k. The St Lunatics never got their publishing back except City Spud. That's why Ali didn't get writers credit because he didn't want his publishing going to someone else. He fail to mention that part
At the end of the day, Nelly did go with the management company right? It was the management company that was responsible for paying Ali the 5%-Nelly didn’t stop it. This guy is so jealous of Nelly because he wanted to have what Nelly got, but it was the bad publishing deal that Ali had them all sign that gave up 100% of their publishing-that was on Ali.
I find it funny he wrote a Diamond album, but his Solo flopped 😂😂😂😂 if u listen to Nelly’s side of the story your see the facts! This dude hung around for over 20 years in a bad situation? Things don’t add up
Bra even tho nothing is wrong with getting old but my god it's terrifying, last time I saw this man he had no gray hairs and was brimming with energy and young looking
Born and raised in stl fashooo and man this was refreshing but tough to watch! I grew up on them and he’s 100% correct, as a kid slow down was one of the coolest and didn’t even rap 😂💯💯💯💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾 wish them all well and much respect to Ali for holding on as long as possible.
He quit about 5 times because things didn't go his way,he's the narcissist type cat,he just had murph nem brain washed,he just lied,he had 3 versus not 2 see he sat up there and lie that quik
This dude lying his ass off, if you did it for them team the. Why’d you go off on everyone when you were the so called man? He cleaning up what’s been told and he still stumbles
Ali claimed he wrote all of Country Grammar, and the Free City St. Lunatics album... But when his solo album came. He complained he couldn’t get any help... If Nelly wasnt writing or picking his own beats... The f you need him for? You doing everything already. Nelly was on 5 of the 17 tracks on Heavy Starch, by the way. But sure, he didnt help you. Jay E even produced 12 tracks on the album. You had "the sauce" and didnt cook it right. "Your album didnt do good. Shit, which one? That third one?" Crazy. Plenty dudes are nice can do three albums with bangers. Stop the cap. Moreover, he starts telling a story about a management company trying to USE ALI to get to Nelly. That's dirty game right there. I'm sorry, but Ali tried trading on his relationship but Nelly didnt bite. He signed bad deals with Ali urging before-why do it again?! There's a lot of smelly shit about this story. Murphy Lee went platinum. Nelly helped Murphy Lee A LOT, put him in prime positions and got him spots. But he did Ali dirty? For what?!?!? Cmon man.
If he was so critical to the Lunatics and Nelly, and was the leader for those guys. Why the fuck would he sign 100% of their/his publishing to someone OTHER THAN THEM/HIM?!?! Holy smokes. He couldn't lead a fish into water...
Facts! From personal experience. Someone who says “Don’t put nothing passed no one including me”. I think that was one of my closes friends issues was the villain statement. He didn’t trust himself. I think in my case he didn’t care. He was a narcissist and got a kick out of sharing his moves and thinking he got away with it. And when the statement was first made. He got away with it when we did business together, but I caught on within 2 months. And I’m not even a celebrity. People with bad intentions just have bad intentions regardless. That’s why I’m cautious with that term mental health because some people hide behind that. I can’t allow that. If you act with reasoning? Ain’t no mental health bruh. You too calculated to have issues. You’re a narcissist.
First he said he got paid Nothing a président of Derrty Ent, then he said he got paid periodically, then he said 90k a year, as soon as the interview thought that 90k is decent he lowered it to 67k…which one is it ALI???😂😂😂
Ali came on here to complain that nelly didnt help Him put out music and that he helped nelly write The whole album but got mad cuz nelly didnt help Him on his album😂😂😂😂😂😂he put out 3 Almus . 1. Heavy Starch sold 200 copies. 2.Kingfolk with Big Gipp sold 300. 3.FREECITY(ST LUNATIC ALBUM) PLATINUM.
Go listen racks on racks remix,jr am just saying,jr fully loaded,100k,St lunatics song title St lunatics,his verse on nando stl song on errthang, country grammer album and free city album Nelly average u must be crazyy.. he aint the best but nelly could really rap bro
@@duanewaller6566 Ali aint write shit dude just sour he wanted to be like nelly and couldnt cause he wack asf have u heard ali's is album? Pure garbage no way he wrote nellys shit how u gon say nelly was 95% right but the 5% he twist it wtf
Yeah Nelly has a good delivery. If Ali spit the same bars that Nelly spit it wouldn't have the same appeal. Nelly can make a average flow sound phenomenal
he sounds more level headed in this interview. the last one i saw, he was talking in circles. basically what i took from this is, ali didn't really know the business in the beginning so a contract was signed that didn't necessarily guarantee a fair percentage for his contributions but, this is why you get lawyers involved to make sure you get what's owed to you. the fact is, nelly was the star. it happens in every group: the supremes, jackson 5, DC, nsync, dru hill ...it's always that one person that stands out in the group. it's sad that their friendship had to end over money though.
If I could never be a hater was a person smh the interviewer had to break down his questions as if he was talking to a child just so this dude could answer the question without dancing around the question is crazy to me Ali had a solo album that did nothing so I feel he’s piss about that and blames Nelly
@diggydub5720Nelly is not being truthful I'm from Stl and it's well known that Ali was the writer and wrote a whole lot of there lyrics....he was known as the writer for the group.....
@@MarleyBob87 bro it's wack when Ali says it because he has no presentation...but Nelly can sell it way better with that wack ass off pitch singing 😂😂😂😂..to be honest all of them wack if you ask me 😂😂😂
Sounds like Ali has the desire or need to be needed or the leader. When someone else takes over it’s a hard pill to swallow. With the guy he’s mentoring now he said he likes that he’s constantly texting and calling him. Sounds like he likes being the head and only the head since he was always the tail since he’s the youngest of 7.
Exactly. It's almost like by Nelly basically taking the lead it makes Ali feel like a failure. He needs somebody to Pat him on the back and make him feel like he's the man for himself to be able to function
Funny how Ali said no bad lyrics. No disrespecting women. No guns or drugs. Yet he says "you can find me in st loui, where we sell dope and fck hoes all day" smh
Ali is full of it. Vlad ask how did he contribute to writing parts of Nelly songs and not get credit? Ali says it was for the betterment of the group, what Ali should've said was that we sold our publishing. Ali should've said if I listed myself as a writer of the song my publishing would've went to the people I signed my first contract with
Big facts!!
D2 did get a percentage of country grammar. They have a plaque from the album. So they got more than $75,000...
@@brandoni241huh?
Ali wrote all the songs but when it came to his album he forgot the words😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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He ain’t write shit but his 16 bar parts city spud wrote most of country grammar
@@queber1004Nelly said he did not write all of country grammar Ali lying go listen to nelly video he telling the story about what happened
Fool😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@fevah1st604 bye
Can somebody PLEASE answer this question. If you did EVERYTHING for EVERYBODY, how come you can't do NOTHING for yourself?????
He did everything fr himself fool I know u r a Jay z fan the timing was right why can't nelly do another good album to shut him up
@FrancaFiakpa-pk4qq Why can't Ali do a record that somebody likes. Nelly had a helluva career. He don't have to prove NOTHING. Ali needs to prove that he can sell a record. 🤣🤣🤣
@@FrancaFiakpa-pk4qq Have you ever heard Ali's album? Did you buy it? Probably not. It was garbage.
@@Smooth-ww1efcuz it take more than just being able to rite good lyrics. Nelly got the star quality that makes it sound better wen he rap it And just because somebody don't sell records don't mean they trash, that got alot to do with politics promotion and budget, shyt like that.
@k-9inethaboss780 Sounds like you making excuses homie.
I was 10 when country grammer came out. My friends and I performed "throw dem rappers" at my 5th grade talent show. Nelly was my favorite rapper out of the group but i liked all of them individually. I memorized every single record. Props to Ali for his vision for the group.
Im reading all the comments of people psychoanalyzing Ali and trying to figure out what went wrong with the group. But I just wanna give respect to Ali for his vision, comraderie , and his love and support for the younger guys. He held it down and he sounds like a man who cares about his family; He got his priorities right. Perhaps it was a blessing that he didnt get paid all the money he woulda got if he was credited the publishing dividends. Cuz in the end, he still got a good head on his shoulders and he still got his family. Salute 💪🏾
We did EI LOL
@@asstonkusher1because there's already a video of Nelly from 2 years ago telling his side of the truth.
Also George Floyd OD'd/
Apparently Ali didn’t claim any songwriting credit on Country Grammar because D2 still owned 100% of his publishing at the time
He’s a liar City spud wrote most of that album before being sent to booneville penitentiary
If have gave it to nelly back then,why would he expect a check 20 years after? He lies way too much.
I’ve watched both interviews. Both stories align when it comes to the major events. Nelly leaves a few things out to save time. Ali does his best job to make himself look like the “good guy” or “hero” in almost every scenario. Ali himself said Nelly’s story was 95% true. I believe the 5% that’s probably not true is Nelly not mentioning Ali writing a lot of the material for the album. Outside of that the common denominator is the D2 deal. Ali fucked up, once he signed away his publishing it was a wrap. Nelly was right, if you have so much experience with the industry and you’ve read a book why persuade them to sign that deal? Ali probably needed the money up front at the time let’s keep it real. He can sit there now and say “well someone can buy us out later” but he wasn’t thinking that at the time. He wanted that money up front. It fucked him over in the end. And none of them including Nelly had the $75k to buy them out of their publishing. Thankfully the label came through for Nelly on that one. Blame yourself Ali. And Nelly made sure y’all were still taken care of if his album sold well. By the way one of Ali’s best friends “T Love” was present during Nelly’s interview and only corrected him one time. That should tell you all you need to know.
Nelly did mention that all the members contributed on the album, including Ali. Listen to Ali's album and then listen to Nelly's album, I don't think Ali wrote Country Grammar with the trash bars from his own album.
Nelly said they all contributed on the country grammar song and batter up nelly made ride with me and ei was the four songs they was shipping around not to mention Ali publishing is still with d2 which is his fault he made the whole group sign a worse deal than tlc and for a person who read a book all about the music buisness it’s no way in the hell he sign them deals
@@odswoo1762 bingo.
@@mr.mr.4772all the "bars" was trash😂
Listen to any music Nelly has released since the breakup. Clearly Nelly had the style and Ali and Lunatics had the rhymes. No shade just facts
To be interviewed for 3hrs on how much you dislike Nelly is wild.
He feels Nelly didn't deserve it. He did! 🤷🏿😂🤦🏿
Ali is like that girl you met at the club yall slept together and you never called back he’s hurt and bitter
Comment section filled with people who would leave their friends and family high and dry 😂
I remember our last show with the Lunatics. They sat in VIP that wasn’t popping it was a local show. They preformed and left it didn’t look like they even spent any money just came to work. Me and my crew preformed popped bottles and fought the security at club Venice and had to bond friends out of jail the next day. They went on to have a good career we went on to hustle die and work jobs. Ali guided them correctly.
I got good guys finish last in this interview. What kills alot of groups is that the contract is not fixed for everyone to win intentionally. No matter how good of a friend you are, remember they have friends too. In the entertainment world nothing is for free no matter how small it is. Separate business and personal feelings at all cost.
I came in rooting for Ali but Bruh came off sounding bitter. All he keeps saying is “I wrote this I wrote that” but then he says they split the Publishing. He talks about the mingling with the Industry but says he wouldn’t go because he wanted to go home. At some point its like Bruh what are you complaining about?
After watching this, I watched Nelly’s version of the story. Nelly’s version makes more sense 😏
we need a ST. LUNATICS DOCUMENTARY. FROM THE 90s TO NOW.
No we don’t. Nobody cares about them.
This was the weirdest interview I've ever watched from beginning to the end.
SO... HE WROYE NELLY FIRST ALBUM COUNRTY GRAMMER, 10 MILLION SOLD. HE WROTE THE ST. LUNATICS ALBUM, FREE CITY 2 MILLION SOLD, HE WROTE NELLYS, NELLYVILLE, 4 MILLION SOLD. 16 MILLION ALBUMS SOLD. HE WROTE THEM ALL. BUT HIS SOLO ALBUM AIN'T DO SHIT... SO HE CRIES, " NOBODY HELPED ME"! 😮 REALLY DUDE? YOU WROTE ALL THOSE HITS, AND COULDN'T WRITE ONE FOR YOURSELF? OKAY!
Facts! And all top of that stay around for 20 years 😂
They were huge hits because of Nelly’s star power! Cyhi The Prince writes for Kanye but guess what if he rapped it himself it wouldn’t blow… What is it that y’all don’t get???
@@bruceleroy2335I get what you’re saying but explain how none of Ali’s bars sound fire?? Even if Nelly knows how to deliver, if his rhymes were wack, it doesn’t matter how they’re delivered. Ali can’t deliver or spit good bars!
Ali was the lead and was shocked Cudda said Nelly is the star. He was the star locally but Nelly is what took them global. He didn't get writing credits because HE had them all in a bad publishing deals. Again, the local statement stays true as Nelly himself said D2 believed Ali was going to blow. Murphy Lee is the only one who took the opportunity and ran with it. Even his situation was driven by Nelly even not being signed to him.
All of them had the same opportunity. They all got huge exposure thanks to Nelly. The only one that took advantage was Murphy Lee. Ali tried to drop albums but he's just not that guy. He has no star power or charisma. Nelly said his checks for shows was so big that he brought everyone with him and would basically pay them out his own check. And that they were still getting a bag to the point the rest of them weren't even worried about dropping an album
@@jamesbroomfield7799 that’s why he was following Nelly around instead of working on his album, then blaming Nelly for it flopping.making it seem like he was dragged for free
He skipped the part that the Lunatics where already a group.
I rewatched Nelly's interview, and I must say Nelly's version makes more sense. Ali pretty much confirmed what Nelly is saying with a twist. The question that has not been asked is when did the rest of the Lunatics get out of their publishing deal? Ali can say he wrote all of the songs he wants, but if he wasn't trying to do a end around the publishing company it wouldn't be a situation. The company though Ali was going to blow and his buy out was much more than 75k. Ali was hoping that Nelly would just break bread and they would split everything behind closed doors. Nelly would have to pay taxes (money cut) and the Lunatics are living without even paying taxes.
Ali explained it in another interview.....he knew that the first deal was trash but signed it for free studio time so the lunatics could practice recording...cause he knew he could get his publishings back for a low price if the first album was successful!ive listened to both sides and i believe esch one of them are truthful...nelly made it seem like they werent doing anything when in reality he was so hype and confident about himself that he went all the way in...some other members were a lil insecure ....poor stage presence or the rapping was not up to pal so they stayed in the back a little
@@gwensalador4325he can say that NOW, but he wasn’t thinking about that back then. He wanted whatever money they was gonna give them up front. If he had so much experience why sign that trash deal if he knows how the industry works. If they blow up like he claims the buyout will only increase. That makes 0 sense. Ali made a bad decision but can’t own up to it.
@@gwensalador4325 I saw and understand his point of view of signing the basic contract. If we don't blow we just signed a piece of paper, if we do we can but ourselves out. Nelly said he bought himself out for 75k, because the publishing company still thought Ali was the guy. So when Nelly's buy out 75k Ali's buy out COULD HAVE been 200k. Ali not wanting to pay that he wrote with the hope that Nelly would break bread and just cut the publishing company out. As Nelly said once he sold 350k there was a contract for the Lunatics and a separate contract for each individual. At that point why didn't every single one of them go sign and get their check? As far as I know Slo was a hype man, he could have signed a contract and never wrote a rhyme, just as well as the other members. If Nelly would have CONTINUED TO LOOK OUT for the Lunatics they would have been liabilities not assets. Let's say Nelly's booking were for 300k by the time he looks out he's down to 150k. He still has to all of the interviews and whatever else came with it to keep the name buzzing while everyone else goes home.
But Nelly ain't explain why he cutt Ali out that 5% deal then he still went and took the deal
@@michaelg70 and the deal was 250 if nelly that the whole group got single deals which he did and how can u day ali was hoping nelly brought him out when he was the one who made the group sign them fucked up contracts not to mention nelly still got him a solo deal after that the whole group was told to handle their business with d2 before the tics group album come up unerversal brought nelly shit back he has nothing to do with their buisness they was soppose to handle it they all had free contracts sitting waiting on them the label ain’t want the group nelly was the one saying these contracts don’t look right
If you grew up in this era, Nelly used to get criticized for being a Nursery Rhyme Rapper that’s why him and KRS started beefing. His pen game wasn’t the draw, he just had that IT Factor that drew the people to him 🤷🏾♂️
Ali get off your AZZ, put those tee shirts down, get a job and move on😭. I am happy to see City on stage with NELLY. 🤜🏾🤛🏾Nelly and Ashanti are happy, he won 200 thousands, sole 1/2 of his catalog for 50 million, they got a new baby boy, new house, & Nelly still working! You got Murphy Lee telling the same story you told him to say!
Universal ONLY wanted NELLY. Ali you never did anything for the Lunatics but jump out in front of the guys in videos and you lazy AZZ thought you were going to come in manage a group that was already together (were you an original member) that let us know the group was already together)them and make a fee off them. Stop hating!!! When God Bless Nelly you can't stop it!
Congratulations 🎉❤💐💓
NELLY & ASHANTI HAYNES
🙏🏿🙏🏼Pray for the HATER'S!
Alledgelly!
Lol. Ali says. "That's my mans" when asked why he didn't get credits on the country grammar album smdh. Ali didn't bring up the fact they didn't want credits because D2 owned all their publishing. Smdh. That's why. He was hoping Nelly would just split his own publishing with everyone smh. But Nelly didn't split his publishing but instead just made sure they ate by taking them on his tours. Even Ali said he'd come home from tour with 600k or 700k after taxes. Which means Nelly must've paid him 1mill$. And that's just one tour. So imagine all the tours they've been on. Probably each year they tour. So , imo, Nelly made sure they got compensated. And Nelly said he paid for everything as far as the studio, office and everything else. So I don't see how Ali is butthurt. Nelly made they all ate
🎯. He never mentioned exactly how much money he made and what he was paid for. That’s how you know Nelly paid him well
Peace to Nelly & Ali life is to short. You guys have family and you both have learned from your past, God has given you health and a sound mind. Enjoy what you have now. I have listen to both of your interviews. from a 70yrs old woman AWESOME MEN BLESSINGS!!!!🙏🏽
GREAT INTERVIEW BIG LEEZY...NEPHEW!!!! 💯 U KNOW I BEEN ON IT
Ali never paid to get out of his publishing deal with D2, so that’s why he “gifted” Nelly the raps. Nelly paid the taxes on it. Ali wanted “free money”.
Yeah right.
Bullshit
That angle makes sense.. why not just say that tho.
@@brianedwards4703he don't want to mention that part because he's to busy trying to paint Nelly in a negative light
Of all the things said by both parties, my favorite take is… if you wrote all that first album, how come Nellys rhyme style/ quality never changed. Like ever. His metaphors, sound, style never changed. If a person was writing for you, he would sound different from album 1 than the rest.
He keep saying “you know what I’m saying” I’m driving me insane. 😩😩
Lmfao you are fckin childish for that. 😂😂😂😂
I remember watching "Beef" Nelly and Ali was joined at the hip. I used to think he wants to be the star, Nelly cant even talk. Now in retrospect I understand why he felt that way. Just gotta take care of your paperwork.
Oh he definitely wanted to be the star
Not true, Nelly was selfish I believe Ali story more than Nelly
I believe nelly story
@@markelstrain basically,,, like frfr you can see in NELLY videos &&& interviews, Ali always tried to be in front
@@kassadyne3602 no doubt nelly was is Awesome
Bro said he wrote 90% of the hooks and needed help with his album.... dafuq 😮
Ali: 95% of what Nelly said in his interview is TRUE.
My takeaway from this interview is that Ali is a good, solid brother who wants what he believes he’s owed. Thought he was bitter but came away with a different feeling after watching. Great interview Prez! 💪🏾
If there is any question as to what happened to Ali, besides being trash, he even admits in this interview that he wanted to stay home and Nelly was grinding always doing projects. Idk what outcome he expected with that mindset
Yeah I caught that too
He could have marketed himself better.. he wanted to ride Nellys coattails on that. I do believe him on that writing shit tho.. he thought he was gonna get rewarded for his work but unfortunately, shit don’t work that way.
To anyone reading my comment: If you don't understand street "politics" or street "lingo"... Please understand, this guy is an example of a guy with minimal talent. He is talking in circles... In fact, the length of this interview could have been only 30 minutes... This guy is talking "ninja babble" ... LISTEN GUYS: Whenever someone can't give you a Yes/No answer, then that person is Full of Shttt.... Understand?!. ✌🏽🔥💯
Ali: "I wrote all the songs, Free City I wrote that."
Also Ali: "Nelly said in the song 'you'll never have a winning hand as long as I'm the dealer'."
This dude Ali is delusional. He signed off all his publishing and told everyone else to do the same. Nellie got lucky and had somebody in his Corner by his publishing back because they saw the writing on the wall and knew he was about to blow. Regardless, if Allie wants his money he needs to go after the publishing people not Nelly. And not only did Nelly make sure they all got solo and group deals, Nelly also brought them along to tour and do shows with him and nelly would pay them out his own pocket. Lets be honest, no promoters gaf about the st lunatics, they wanted Nelly. So nelly gave this dude a ton of opportunities and money. Ali never said shit when nelly was young and touring around the clock etc. But now that nelly is older, and he's probably not touring like he used to so these dudes aint got no bread coming in now. And Ali is delusional. Saying they put each other on. No nelly put his ass on. Nelly could've gotten another writer, or wrote more of his own lyrics. Ali think Nelly desperately needed him. Smh. Its tons of sing writers or rappers out there. Ali is replaceable. But someone like nelly, with his star power and charisma etc, cant be replaced. Or should i say its harder to replace someone like Nelly
The main thing that I would say to Ali is, you were smart enough to know better. If you were the leader and teaching everybody, YOU supposed to know to arrange your publishing cut for writing. YOU supposed to make sure that your cut of the show money comes to you the same exact way it comes to Nelly. You ain’t supposed to wait for Nelly to pay you, you supposed to make managers, labels and promoters pay you your portion separately. If Nelly getting $150k-500k a show and you supposed to get $10k of that, you should’ve signed papers that stated that!!! Shoulda BEEN handled your publishing issues. I respect how he tried to be a stand up dude, but he buggin if he thinks he didn’t play a part in how things turned out. You allowed it to continue the way it did!!!
The problem is that most of those shows, the promoters only wanted Nelly. But Nellie trying to be a team player which still bring the st. Lunatics and basically pay them out of his check. So that's why they had to go to Nellie for their check. Because the promoter never wanted them in the first place. Basically Nellie was doing a solid for these guys, including Ali, but he seems ungrateful. Let's be honest who's going to book Ali for a show and pay him ten or twenty thousand? If it wasn't for Nelly, Ali probably wouldn't have done any shows at all let alone get paid for them
@@jamesbroomfield7799 I get what you’re implying, but what I’m saying is, you only gonna get what you negotiate or allow. From the gate, when they signed deals or hired management, when dealing with compensation, you supposed to have an agreement in place. You don’t wait until it reaches a point where you have to ask or wait for payment from a “group leader”. It should’ve been agreed on contractually that they receive payment the same way Nelly does. Meaning, if Nelly is receiving a check, Ali’s money should come on a check SEPARATE from Nelly’s, that way he’s not waiting to be paid by NELLY. And it should’ve been stated, if you want Nelly, you GOTTA book the ENTIRE group. Trust me, this could’ve been handled better. Listening to both Nelly and Ali tell their sides, it’s just a matter of poor communication.
You definitely from the Luke…he “bugging” 😅🥲😂🤣😂🤣
"Ali from St. Lunatics is my favorite rapper" said no one ever.
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Ali is cool......he just seems bitter over the Nelly situation.....i guess unfortunately for them, Nelly was the Star star out the group .....but to Nellys defense he gave them all the opportunities to shine on there own throughout the years.....he brought them through the industry doors with him ....the other lunatics unfortunately didn't take enough advantage of the situation and put in enough effort to shine on there own at that time ....seems like they preferred to be attached to Nelly's hip and ride that wave ....20+ years later... now look...can't be mad now because they decided to put all there eggs into the nelly basket (another man) and now they are all 40+ and people grew apart, and they obviously didn't take care of there BUSINESS earlier when the opportunities were available to them...just my opinion
Please proofread & spellcheck your statement. 😂
@@antoineward4475 Antoine, relax😂 im not submitting a proof read published article for the paper smh…..YOU completely understand what is being communicated in what I wrote, so what’s your point….even with the grammatical errors ……hopefully your a teacher who suffers from grammatical PTSD and that’s what made you comment on what I wrote and not the need to just write to write something 🥴….be well Antione
@@christopherstevens476you did great and I agree at this point you have to try to make something shake on your own sense you claim to have done so much writing why didn’t he write for others and nobody backs what he says at all
When Jive expressed interest in the group is when Ali joined them. Then he wanted to be the lead. I believe he got beat at his own game.
Pretty much. He was doing his own thang but Nelly, Kyjuan, and Spud had a movement that was taking off.
Seemed like this guy had no work ethic…but wants all the credit
You had them young ass dudes sign a fucked up ass contract and tried to used them to get your career off the ground and it didnt work😅
He goes from saying he wrote all Country Grammar, to 90%, to 3 full songs and some verses…smh Got no publishing but claims to be the smart business guy.. 🧢
3 full songs, all other verses except the first one, all chorus and beat selection, production, ideas, concepts, etc, yeah that sounds like most of it to me
I will say " gimme what you got" is legendary,
Ali aged 40 years in the past 20!
Damn, son! 😳
he was a decade older than everyone else to begin with. I think he looks good for his age. Just a grey beard.
Everything he explains was basically that movie “Snipes” STARRING NELLY! 😂😂😂😂
Ooohhhhh shyt😂😂 I swear I thought about that too😂😂
😂😂😂😂Not many ppl know about that....GOOD SHIT
Unfortunately they need to squash all this and get back to being friends at least. Ive listened to both sides it sounds Nelly looked out for years paying above market because of friends and loyalty. And Ali said I wanted to be dame dash and Nelly stopped me from eating, Ali is to scatter brained and not a boss or leader. Meaning dame dash hustles like he broke. You said you don't need much and wanna chill in the pool and smoke cigarettes etc in some other interview. Plus you claim you write country grammar and free city but when alis album is ready to come you flop that makes no sense to me. Take responsibility for your album you claim no one helped I doubt that I'm sure the lunatics wanted to help but your ego got in the way thinking your this master writer. To me it sounds the best work came out when all the lunatics wrote for the album that was coming up. Meaning you were a crew and I'm sure hung out in studio helping write Nelly album Murphy album Ali album etc. When Ali did a album with big gipp it flopped. If Ali wanted to get into management or label owner do that shit you met some powerful people over the years that could guide you and you could learn from but like you said Ali you like being at home instead of networking. So I feel Ali in some ways but he's his own enemy and to be honest Nelly held it down for years compared to other groups just saying. I'm on Nelly side just a little more.
Facts💯💯💯💯
He is Otis from the temptations 😂
HIM WRITING COUNTRY GRAMMAR IS CRAZY AND GRILLZ IS INSANE CAUSE THEM SONGS MADE NELLY
Listen his album and tell me if you think he could have written Country Grammar.
Nelly said the all contributed
he contributed but couldnt put himself as a writer cuz he sold his publishing for free studio time and to ge his 1st single on the radio...ali a dummy and a true hater
I don’t know if it’s just me or not but Ali be saying a whole lot of nothing. He dance around all the questions
Soooooo im not finished watching the video, but I'm pretty sure he just contradicted himself a couple times... He said Nelly never told him that he had an issue with the contracts 20 yrs ago, but earlier in the video he said that he had to talk him into signing the contract... Then he said he pretty taught them how to flow and wrote majority of the hooks for the St. Luanatics album, but Nelly didnt come help him write his... But why would he need help if he's the one taught them everything and been writing most of it??? Is that what he said or am i tripping?
*pretty much
Exactly how u need help but you wrote all those BANGERS! His math ain’t mathing and he just salty af that he couldn’t lead better than his lil homie. Instead he should’ve embraced the fact and Nelly would’ve broke him off well just cause he was they big homie
He should have wrote himself some hits..... Missy Elliott did.... She was writing hits behind the scene for Ginuwine, Tweet, etc... They begged her to cone from behind the scenes and become and artist and the hits kept coming... Where Ali hits at? Kanye was producing and giving Roc A Fella artist hit after hit..... As u see he kept some hits for himself.... Where Ali hits at? IJS
Kanye and Missy are once in a lifetime talents… A great writer doesn’t mean great artist.
@@simpdown1404 facts, you can write a good script for a movie that doesn't make you a good actor like Denzel Washington.
If i was Nelly i would not trust murphy either them niggas working together too tear him down murph just smoother with his approach but still 🐍
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Right, saying he just want the group back, yeah I bet he does. They need Nelly to help get some traction
Lots more here with Ali and Murphy Lee. Agree 100% Murphy is out to HARM. Still throwing ROCKS and trying to hide his hands.
I agree 💯
Ali just mad Nelly didn’t break him off more than he did.
Nelly probably understood Ali publishing issue and took advantage of it as well.
I don't understand the Ali slander in the comments. I saw the Murphy Lee interview BEFORE this interview and he said Ali was the mastermind. He sounds extremely credible to me. They don't owe each other nothing bc they both benefited off each other. In my opinion, Nelly seems more snakeish with his come up.
1:50:50 I understand why Ali was disappointed, but doesn’t Nellys wish prove that the environment they grew up in was clearly a back stabbing, double crossing environment? It sounds like Nelly felt like “if other ppl had wishes, someone may wish harm on me, so NOBODY gets them” makes sense to me
I don’t even believe this story
Very interesting. You cannot trust anyone to take care of business for you. Money clouds the mind of many people. Take heed of this story.
Who wants to listen to some old mad baby daddy who can't do business right and gives another man, who actually does business right and does what the old mad baby daddy claims to have done, all the fault for it?! I love Heavy Starch, I love Kinfolk. They're great albums I still listen to to this day. But they ain't nowhere near Country Grammar. How come 2 of this man's releases only reach the talent that is Country Grammar as a whole at the slightest when Nelly raps a part on your god damn song as a feature? Lyrics wise, melody wise, delivery wise. Everything. Country Grammar is St. Lunatics and you can feel Ali never wanted to be part of it. At least Ali got what he deserved and is just some old mad baby daddy now who still cries about the fact he can't do business right.
I wished he woulda asked how he came up with the name.
Which Nelly interview is constantly being referred to? I want to see it
Once you find it, you’re gon wish you hadn’t.
So wait, Ali claims he got Nelly out the bad deal but couldn't get himself out the deal?
I’m a asparagus that’s why I recked my car
Grown man using zodiac signs as excuses 😂😂😂
Lol 😂
Dude was on some great songs!! He was FINE in Grillz!!
People ask why Ali couldn’t be a star. Because Hollywood is about an image. They see a person’s look and if they have any natural talent they work with them.
But what did he do with the money he made?
He took care of his family. Even extended family members. Trust!
It’s not about the money this brother dropping true knowledge over vanity
Ali didn’t start the group according to nelly and Ali quit the group and came back when it was convenient. From the gate of this interview and mishandling of group business highlights this man’s character in my opinion and he is lucky Nelly dealt with him for as long as he did and the group that never showed appreciation when it came to work ethics ect.
Nelly helped this dude out tremendously. If it wasn't for Nelly, nobody would even give Ali the time or day.
Nelly and Murph was a bit more wise to get out those deals Ali had them twisted in. Ali ate well of Nelly success but he wanted and still want more credit than he deserves
I believe Nelly, T Love, was sitting in on Nelly's interview and Nelly kept saying, correct me if I'm lying. TLove is Ali's best friend, and he didn't say word....(in my Nelly voice), Ali fool of shit. Nelly didn't say anything bad about Ali, he was trying to help his ass. He even said some of his music was good. Nelly was right, how you help the group but your shit flopped. Ali did not start the group. Ali fucked them up, they was wayyyyy more loyal to Ali than Nelly. Nelly said they all contributed to country grammar, but didn't wanna say nothing because that terrible deal they signed, D2 would have taken all they money. I guarantee Ali got paid for getting all them to sign! Nigga break it down like Nelly did. And you was dogging Luda because of Chingy, but how you got more loyalty to Chingy, than the nigga you breaking bread with. I don't get it. It's hard listening to Ali. My momma told me when a night stuttering he lying. And Murphy Lee, how he gone be more loyal to Ali, when Nelly got him a solo deal, and talked JD and puffy into putting him on them records. Ali wanted to be front and center, but Nelly was the star. Sounds like the Braxtons story with a Toni.
Peace to my Brother Ali. It's your Man Big Righteous.
See what I’m saying = I’m making it up as I going along…
If he wrote everything why he needed help writing his
I was thinking the same thing
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Good question
He was saying Nelly wasn’t there collaborating on Ali’s album like he (and everyone) was with Country Grammar and the Lunatics album. Also, He probably wanted Nellys star-power to help market and sell more.
Someone needs to ask Nelly about the management company that was gonna give Ali 5% of there cut. If Nelly really screwed him out of that deal that’s fucked up
Ali made the group sign a contract that gave up their publishing. When Nky got his so deal his company bought his publishing back for 75k. The St Lunatics never got their publishing back except City Spud. That's why Ali didn't get writers credit because he didn't want his publishing going to someone else. He fail to mention that part
At the end of the day, Nelly did go with the management company right? It was the management company that was responsible for paying Ali the 5%-Nelly didn’t stop it. This guy is so jealous of Nelly because he wanted to have what Nelly got, but it was the bad publishing deal that Ali had them all sign that gave up 100% of their publishing-that was on Ali.
I find it funny he wrote a Diamond album, but his Solo flopped 😂😂😂😂 if u listen to Nelly’s side of the story your see the facts! This dude hung around for over 20 years in a bad situation? Things don’t add up
I bet you if they cut you loose!! Nelly would still mess with Murphy Lee' and kyjuan
Bottom line is you can't be a big dummy in this business lol 😅😅
Bra even tho nothing is wrong with getting old but my god it's terrifying, last time I saw this man he had no gray hairs and was brimming with energy and young looking
I was just thinking this💯
And remember. He been through this before and read the book but still signed a shitty deal
God Bless Ali & The Lunatics .
What he saying is just appreciate my worth pay me let me get my money just like u getting your.
Born and raised in stl fashooo and man this was refreshing but tough to watch! I grew up on them and he’s 100% correct, as a kid slow down was one of the coolest and didn’t even rap 😂💯💯💯💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾 wish them all well and much respect to Ali for holding on as long as possible.
He quit about 5 times because things didn't go his way,he's the narcissist type cat,he just had murph nem brain washed,he just lied,he had 3 versus not 2 see he sat up there and lie that quik
He spitting like them bars were hard af. 😅
Im sure he seen at least a couple of million with nelly.
This dude lying his ass off, if you did it for them team the. Why’d you go off on everyone when you were the so called man? He cleaning up what’s been told and he still stumbles
Ali claimed he wrote all of Country Grammar, and the Free City St. Lunatics album...
But when his solo album came. He complained he couldn’t get any help...
If Nelly wasnt writing or picking his own beats...
The f you need him for?
You doing everything already.
Nelly was on 5 of the 17 tracks on Heavy Starch, by the way. But sure, he didnt help you.
Jay E even produced 12 tracks on the album. You had "the sauce" and didnt cook it right.
"Your album didnt do good. Shit, which one? That third one?"
Crazy. Plenty dudes are nice can do three albums with bangers. Stop the cap.
Moreover, he starts telling a story about a management company trying to USE ALI to get to Nelly. That's dirty game right there.
I'm sorry, but Ali tried trading on his relationship but Nelly didnt bite. He signed bad deals with Ali urging before-why do it again?!
There's a lot of smelly shit about this story.
Murphy Lee went platinum.
Nelly helped Murphy Lee A LOT, put him in prime positions and got him spots. But he did Ali dirty? For what?!?!?
Cmon man.
If he was so critical to the Lunatics and Nelly, and was the leader for those guys. Why the fuck would he sign 100% of their/his publishing to someone OTHER THAN THEM/HIM?!?! Holy smokes. He couldn't lead a fish into water...
Facts! From personal experience. Someone who says “Don’t put nothing passed no one including me”. I think that was one of my closes friends issues was the villain statement. He didn’t trust himself. I think in my case he didn’t care. He was a narcissist and got a kick out of sharing his moves and thinking he got away with it. And when the statement was first made. He got away with it when we did business together, but I caught on within 2 months. And I’m not even a celebrity. People with bad intentions just have bad intentions regardless. That’s why I’m cautious with that term mental health because some people hide behind that. I can’t allow that. If you act with reasoning? Ain’t no mental health bruh. You too calculated to have issues. You’re a narcissist.
Love what you said man
No Hector Berrellez full interview ?!!!!
I love Pres. interview, he catches Mark Curry and Ali hating and lying
First he said he got paid Nothing a président of Derrty Ent, then he said he got paid periodically, then he said 90k a year, as soon as the interview thought that 90k is decent he lowered it to 67k…which one is it ALI???😂😂😂
St. Lunatic’s 💪🏾💯👑
Ali came on here to complain that nelly didnt help Him put out music and that he helped nelly write The whole album but got mad cuz nelly didnt help Him on his album😂😂😂😂😂😂he put out 3 Almus .
1. Heavy Starch sold 200 copies.
2.Kingfolk with Big Gipp sold 300.
3.FREECITY(ST LUNATIC ALBUM) PLATINUM.
I think what got Nelly famous was his charisma. I always thought his bars was average at best.
Go listen racks on racks remix,jr am just saying,jr fully loaded,100k,St lunatics song title St lunatics,his verse on nando stl song on errthang, country grammer album and free city album Nelly average u must be crazyy.. he aint the best but nelly could really rap bro
@@stephenperrott4446 he average. Ali wrote all that anyways lol.
@@duanewaller6566 Ali aint write shit dude just sour he wanted to be like nelly and couldnt cause he wack asf have u heard ali's is album? Pure garbage no way he wrote nellys shit how u gon say nelly was 95% right but the 5% he twist it wtf
Yeah Nelly has a good delivery. If Ali spit the same bars that Nelly spit it wouldn't have the same appeal. Nelly can make a average flow sound phenomenal
he sounds more level headed in this interview.
the last one i saw, he was talking in circles.
basically what i took from this is, ali didn't really know the business in the beginning so a contract was signed that didn't necessarily guarantee a fair percentage for his contributions but, this is why you get lawyers involved to make sure you get what's owed to you.
the fact is, nelly was the star. it happens in every group: the supremes, jackson 5, DC, nsync, dru hill ...it's always that one person that stands out in the group.
it's sad that their friendship had to end over money though.
Get Rich Or Die Trying is definitely Diamond
Why they just don't tour as the st. Lunatics without Nelly?
Everybody want to stay home and get paid lmao
I’ve listened to all his interviews and I have yet to understand what his problem is. It sounds like a bunch of rambling.
If I could never be a hater was a person smh the interviewer had to break down his questions as if he was talking to a child just so this dude could answer the question without dancing around the question is crazy to me Ali had a solo album that did nothing so I feel he’s piss about that and blames Nelly
Wow, this was an eye opener. Salute to Ali, he’s a very good writer👏🔥.
@diggydub5720Nelly is not being truthful I'm from Stl and it's well known that Ali was the writer and wrote a whole lot of there lyrics....he was known as the writer for the group.....
@@eddietruman5103So why were his verses always the wackest ones? Let me guess, for the group.
He is a liar
@@MarleyBob87 bro it's wack when Ali says it because he has no presentation...but Nelly can sell it way better with that wack ass off pitch singing 😂😂😂😂..to be honest all of them wack if you ask me 😂😂😂
@@eddietruman5103I hate wen y'all niggas act like being from somewhere put you in the loop nigga you wasn't there to Kno if it's true or not
What did Nelly did wrong exactly!?
Nelly a snake!!!!
That's right
Sounds like Ali has the desire or need to be needed or the leader. When someone else takes over it’s a hard pill to swallow. With the guy he’s mentoring now he said he likes that he’s constantly texting and calling him. Sounds like he likes being the head and only the head since he was always the tail since he’s the youngest of 7.
Exactly. It's almost like by Nelly basically taking the lead it makes Ali feel like a failure. He needs somebody to Pat him on the back and make him feel like he's the man for himself to be able to function
Funny how Ali said no bad lyrics. No disrespecting women. No guns or drugs. Yet he says "you can find me in st loui, where we sell dope and fck hoes all day" smh