Immelmann Turn
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2023
- In this video, we're exploring the Immelmann turn, a classic aerial maneuver used by pilots worldwide. Named after the famous World War I pilot Max Immelmann, this move is a fundamental skill in both historical and modern aviation.
Whether you're an aviation enthusiast or a budding pilot, this video offers a clear and concise overview of one of the most iconic maneuvers in flying.
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I shall take this to 1.0 air in war thunder immediately
At once! 💀🤣😭
It's pretty much all circles
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I hope this works still at 5.0 lol
Or maybe at least for 4.0 still, cause I'm not planing to get uptiered into fighting jets again, without anyone to guide me...
You can literally read about the Immelmann turn in the built in encyclopedia on WarThunder.
Battlefield 1 pilots know it well
you mean warthunder pilots?
@@jootan91 both works for me lol
Didn't know it had a name
Wanna see if this works in warthunder
@@CharleyStephenson when you're loading in it talks about the Immelman in the little tips thingy in the loading screen
Actually, the maneuver shown in this clip is the modern "Immelmann turn.".
The original, performed by Max Immelman, was quite different: He would climb over the target after the initial attack and would turn the plane back in the direction of the enemy at the top of the climb by banking the plane and using the rudder. He didn't half-roll at the top.
I cannot post a link, but it is easy to find online an illustration from March 1918 by "Pratical Flying."
Yeah, the original Immelmann was more similar to modern Hammerhead turn.
After all, WWI fighters did not have so much power, expecially in early war stages.
@@gufo_tave Exactly. The Fokker Eindecker didn't have enough power to do the modern Immelman.
This! Most people including the creator of this video don't know about this and confuse the two.
@@gufo_taveYep, wing-over or hammerhead turn.
I hate when people put out "historical" videos without fully understanding what they're doing. This video is actually perpetuating the incorrect information, and it will take much more effort to correct this falsehood.
WE NOT RIPPING OUR LEFT WING AND ATTACKING THE D POINT WITH THIS ONE🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥
Word on the street is that you _always_ attack the "D" point.
@@skipdreadman8765i agree!!
@@skipdreadman8765 AFFIRMATIVE!
Aspiring WT pilots need to realize that all of these maneuvers to juke an opponent are meaningless if you don’t engage the opponent with more speed than them. The last few seconds of the clip are the most important; the move is shown being initiated right after a dive.
+1
The turn here be it Immelman, Bovoy Rasvorot, or any other combat positioning turn is about getting the opponent in a low energy state & setting up a height-speed tradeoff for the counter attack
another note: if someone's on your six and they have more speed, you're pretty much fucked if you're in a heavy plane without wingmen. Don't pull up; you'll be even more fucked. Dive and/or run to your team. If that's not an option, they're going to keep climbing and diving on you. After several diving attacks, pray they bleed enough speed trying to turn into your path (bc you should be turning hard as they dive on you.) If they're smart, they'll fly away after several passes. If not, its now a more fair fight, bc now they're as slow as you.
It's amazing what they could do with such limited technology.
You have to remember that in those days, everything they did was done with absolutely ZERO Kenny Loggins music.
And even the most rudimentary beach volleyball hadn't even been invented yet!
Incredible!
Small reminder that during the Eindecker era, Allied aircraft could not follow their German adversaries into inverted manoeuvers due to their piston engines conking out.
Just like in WWII with the early spitfires and hurricanes?
I think you're confusing wars. During WWI none of the aircraft had fuel injection, all aircraft on both sides would have their engine cut if inverted without pulling positive g. You're referring to the injectors that German aircraft used in WWII while British aircraft used carburetors.
Easier with doppel- or trippeldecker
@@FrankMoodyPhotoI actually do believe that the Fokker Dreidecker 1 had fuel injection
@@keck4022 I know Injection engines were not new, and even used on the Wright Flyer, but I am battling to find any information on the Oberursel or Le Rhone engine stating that they used injectors. The Fokker Dr1 used the Oberursel engine which was a licensed copy of the Le Rhone that was used in aircraft like the Sopwith Pup or Nieuport 17. With that in mind if the DR1 was injection, then maybe the Pup and Nieuport were as well?
If you have any information, it might be a good read.
I do these in war thunder and I get people all the time.
Well I hope you properly setup an energy trap beforehand otherwise you'd be the one getting killed.
I miss Dogfight tv series.
Man the OG History Channel was top tier
@@luqcrusher I agree. I loved Mail Call and Wild West Tech.
@@luqcrusherSo true. I haven’t watched them since they switched onto talking about aliens all the time…
@@kem9952Yeah whenever they say "According to ancient astronaut theorists...." Ok that's pretty much the equivalent of "A guy at the crack house said...."
@@nathanjasper512Someone ought to take the clip of Michio Kaku saying "welcome to the Flat Earth Society" in an interview for the Universe and post it behind literally anything the guy from Ancient Aliens says.
I remember doing this on Star Wars battlefront 2 (the old one for PS2). Except they added an extra barrel roll at the end for fun.
What always amazed me was that during these early days these maneuvers that today are so simple most will simply call them "half loop up" where so new that the name of the pilot who managed to perform them came attached to them.
Max Immelmann never performed this maneuver. It was impossible in a Fokker E.III. This video is bullshit.
Recuerda que apenas la aviación tenía 5 o 6 años. Era lo más moderno en ese tiempo ya con aviones a motor
Crimson Skies just flashed through my memory banks
I miss that game and the custom Hugh Bloodhawk I used to main
This is incorrect, that is the modern Immelmann. Max Immelmann's manuever would mimic what is now known as a stall turn or Hammerhead in modern aviation.
Yeah the eindeckers weren't this agile. They were low power, and didn't even ailerons - the whole wing twisted.
I didn’t know this. Much appreciated.
@@jaysho5461 Indeed! Wing-warping was a very early technique commonly used before ailerons became commonplace.
I do these turns all the time In warthunder, works everytime
Can’t wait to see this in WarThunder
A name familiar to all Last Exile fans. 😅
Still impressed by that show and still perplexed about the ending, and I've watched it when I was 15...
last exile fans rise up
show was good but man my brain shut off completely trying to watch that ending
Immediately came looking for this comment when I was done with the short.
Took me several months to find a video that explains the Immelmann move just as simple as you do
Thank you, very impressing!
I did this all the time in War Thunder, makes sense someone made it up double my life time ago
Absolutely perfect depiction of both turns!
Great job on this short
This is similar to the chandelle sometimes performed by glider pilots so as to quickly merge with a thermal.
All with a sharp leading edge, super quick stall
Immelmann: *stalls*
Very cool!
"Last Exile" core memories unblocked
uuuuuh I was scrolling for this =)
Reminds me on when we use to wrestle. The more creative one. Yours truly would always win.
i've done this in an extra 300. the amount of g-force this maneuver generates, especially on the split S side, is intense.
pure genius
It is jousting in all dimensions
Everyone who grew up playing Red Baron thinking we invented this maneuver: 🫨
Thank you for doing Thease thay greatly help me in areal combat in Warthunder
Simpleplanes physics:
Me: *Does an Immelmann*
Simpleplanes: "So you want to cobra?"
Fullmetal Daemon Muramasa taught me this technique
I know this maneuvre from a friend who is really into roller coasters. It is used in those all the time.
Back when we played Avalon Hill games instead of computer games I remember playing one called Richthofen's War. WW1 air battle game.
Its amazing how simple yet effective this manouvre is
Except when performed in the planes shown, either your engine would cut out or you'd get thrown into a flatspin due to poor aileron control.
*Danger Zone in German starts playing*
Tried this in a ww2 game called enlisted today, and I didn’t do it exactly correct. But it does turn faster then just normal turning, but didn’t get to try it when being attacked.
Amazing
Was about to say it's basically opposite Split-S. Very skilled and clever.
Absolutely genius!
war thunder: return to the hangar
Thinking out of the Box , out of necessity….great pilot !…
Very interesting I like this video that is so informative
And the Immelmann is just as relevant today as it was when it was invented.
I used this alot in trailmakers
Wrong.According to 2 sources,the turn=the hammerhead stall(Climb to face upwards,use the rudder to face downwards &,finally,face the horizontal)
Nerd
@@hairlesscat6458 Everyone watching this video is probably interested in aviation enough to be considered a nerd
This is still a basic Immelmann Turn it’s just the modern variant, not the original he came up with
@@brysonkuervers2570 so there's absolutely no point in using a Fokker E111 to illustrate it then, is there.
The first manuver i made up in warthunder
The E.III had so many structural issues im surprised it could even pull these off
James Bigglesworth reporting for duty
War Thunder pilots already know what time it is
It works a treat if your kite doesn’t fall apart in the process.
To find a machine in those days that could hold up to the stress put on the wings took balls.
I didn't even know this maneuver exists.
I just always did it in War Thunder and worked.
There are two maneuvers called 'The Immelmann Turn'.
Historically, in WW1, it was a maneuver where the attacker does a high-speed dive attack like in the video, climb up(not a half loop) then yaws or rolls right before stall so that it can attack the same target with a high-speed dive again. This was not very popular since 1917~18 since the performer almost stops in the air when they yaw, making themselves an easy target, and nowdays this is called the hammerhead turn.
In modern aerobatics, The Immelmann Turn refers to half loop climb, then 180° roll, which makes this video accurate except one thing: it is completely unrelated to Max Immelmann.
You better make sure you don’t pull too much or you’ll break the wings off lol
The OG Maverick
Now I know...👍
I didn't think those early monoplanes could even perform a maneuver like that without stalling becuase they were so underpowered.
The split-S is my preferred way to land the plane in GTA5. Fly along the runway, then roll and pitch. Voilà, you're on final!
And now it’s a roller coaster element
Increadible bravery...
It took a while to get that speed and altitude, in early planes, like this one. But later planes put on a real show, I imagine...
This is the Red bull of that time
fun fact: theresa rolercoaster track element that copies this maneuver. its called the u-turn there. and yes thats why peppy hare from star fox calles this a u-turn.
I do this sometimes on the freeway to get cars off my tail.
Balls of steel.
Rollercoasters have these
In war thunder i always overshoot my dives this will help
This is like the one maneouver I can do in War Thunder.
those days are over....now military life is no more very adventurous...
verdadero mucho gracias
I‘ve only known the Immelmann as an element on rollercoasters
I tried this in my Toyota and it really does work!
I really like doing borh these maneuvers with my RC airplanes.
Huh, I've always used that maneuver in Battlefront 2, never knew it's name!
I do this on Battlefield all the time. didn't know it had a name
And the enemy waiting for him to go behind him?
That's so badass
That's not what Immelmann invented. The Fokker E.III couldn't do what is now popularly known as an Immelmann turn. Immelmann did a climbing high-angle 180 degree turn.
I've been doing this for years on war thunder.
ah so thats how the element got its name
Dad did this in B-47’s to release the practice A-bombs.
Mr Baron went silent after this
Wolf O'Donnell - "What the heck?"
Nice vid! OMG, Is this EIII fighting a Sopwith Camel? GL with that! TL;DR The Eindeckers were equipped with German air units until about December 1916 (see the Wikipedia article for more general info), and the Camel prototype first flew in late December 1916, so no real chance of meeting. However, an Eindecker was shot down by a SPAD VII in September 1916, so it was old meeting new. Happy flying!
*takes note for war thunder*
👌😉👍!.
I legit do this all the time in War thunder
Folklore and Legend.
The Fokker Eindecker could not physically perform either of these maneuvers. And that is a fact.
From Wiki: "The roll response of the Eindecker, on the other hand, was poor. This is often blamed on the use of wing-warping rather than ailerons - although the monoplanes of the time, even when fitted with ailerons, often had unpredictable or unresponsive roll control due to the flexibility of their externally braced wings"...
This aircraft used the same sort of bank-control as the 1903 Wright Flyer. Which was horrendously ineffective. It also had no fixed stabilizer surfaces, so it gyrated around the pitch and yaw axis and was very hard to control.
It was also very slow and draggy, with low horsepower and many flying wire braces.
Therefore, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to perform the modern interpretation of the "Immelmann turn".
It COULD NOT do an aileron roll, let alone as slow speed, at the top of a loop. For which it had insufficient power and energy to complete.
The Immelmann turn was witnessed by many early aviators who barely knew what they were doing. And had virtually zero combat training, as 1915 was the first time aircraft had ever been used in combat. The observers were incorrect in what they perceived.
Max Immelmann would fly toward an enemy aircraft, slightly dive to gain some speed. Then he would perform a gentle "wingover" type maneuver. Which is really just a climbing turn. He would end the maneuver higher than where he started.
But make no mistake, there was no rolling to inverted or looping and rolling off the top with wing-warping as the method of roll control. No way, not going to happen.
First time trying this "will the wings stay in place?".
I’m sure due to the wood and canvas construction of the airplanes the peak wing load would be well within the limits of its construction.
I forget which game it is but there is a WW1 airplane game that utilizes the split S as a tactic however it is animated like the first maneuver shown.
Everybody does this by instinct in WarThunder. I have zero training in aeronautics prior to the game and just learned by flying. Kinda silly to name it after a guy but oh well.
ah yes, back when shooting your pistol at the other guy was a valid combat strategy in the air
Hey what up l. Am. Eddie from hope Arkansas
The pilots were advised not to eat oatmeal
prior their fighting engagements.
Made famous by the Last Exile
NOWAY I USUALLY DO THIS IN BATTLEFIELD
It wasn't designed by him merely names after him
I used this in game called heroes and generals all the time and once practiced its very good but only in dog fights 1 on 1 if there are more of them it sucks cuz the outher plane will get u always