The New Haven in "A Great Railroad at Work" (1942)

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  • @rogerlollar4325
    @rogerlollar4325 2 года назад +25

    The I-5 is one of the most beautiful locomotives ever built

    • @ps-ic8pm
      @ps-ic8pm 20 дней назад

      Absolute work of art.

  • @josephshulman6666
    @josephshulman6666 2 года назад +5

    I'm 57 and truly believe I would have been much happier living in this Era !!!

  • @bruceboatwright7488
    @bruceboatwright7488 5 лет назад +48

    What a marvelous window into the past, hard working men doing hard work. I very much appreciate you folks sharing this.

    • @MrShobar
      @MrShobar 2 года назад +1

      "...hard working men doing hard work..." And living to the ripe old age of 55.

    • @beachbum1523
      @beachbum1523 2 года назад +3

      Back when blue collar workers were paid living wages and could afford to own their own homes and support their families on one income. We've lost our way.

  • @0759trainz
    @0759trainz 2 года назад +20

    The I-5 departing Boston South Station with the Yankee Clipper tow and speeding down the line is single handedly the best part in this film.

  • @Steven_Rowe
    @Steven_Rowe 5 лет назад +49

    I love these old films, so optimistic.

  • @oscarwildeghost
    @oscarwildeghost 4 года назад +33

    Almost my entire family worked the New Haven road from it's beginning to it's demise out of New Haven. Trackmen, yard men, engineers and station masters.

    • @KINGFISHOL
      @KINGFISHOL 2 года назад

      It's a shame to see such an amazing railroad network be brought down

    • @randomclass4653
      @randomclass4653 Год назад

      @@KINGFISHOL its a shame so many class 1 railroads were shut down for much worser , less efficient and less climate friendly cars.

  • @wordsmith52
    @wordsmith52 3 года назад +47

    Not one PC screen or piece of graffiti to be seen... Clean well dressed people with a decency in their appearance and attitude. Pride in work, trade, one's company and country. All this, despite the difficult times being gone through. Very different times. Seems like a dream...

    • @wchaun
      @wchaun Год назад +2

      Ofc everything looks nice and perfect, it's a promotional film aka corporate propaganda

    • @jeremyfiliberto3333
      @jeremyfiliberto3333 Год назад +2

      @@wchaunis it that hard to believe people used to have pride and decency

    • @railtrolley
      @railtrolley Год назад +1

      And the aerosol spray can was not in regular use at that time.

  • @jschmid
    @jschmid 4 года назад +9

    That slip track was pretty cool. I could watch that all day.

  • @rudolffabrie3233
    @rudolffabrie3233 5 лет назад +15

    The amount of staff in those days is unbelievable.

    • @tommytruth7595
      @tommytruth7595 4 года назад +9

      And most of those jobs have been abolished due to technology and our Govt's stupid policy of taxing the railroads to subsidize its competitors. That is called "progress."

  • @hartmutlorentzen9659
    @hartmutlorentzen9659 2 года назад +5

    I admire the heroic voice of the narrator

  • @texman8150
    @texman8150 5 лет назад +20

    I remember as a kid in the late 1940's my father bringing me down to the railroad station to watch the unloading of the mail car. Canvas sacks of mail were unloaded from the mail car onto a wood flatbed cart with iron wheels, that was then wheeled to the parking lot to a waiting Post Office truck. We lived about a block from the New Haven tracks in Mount Vernon, New York.

  • @budelaska2202
    @budelaska2202 5 лет назад +34

    This film, though fascinating to watch, is also an amazing resource for all the model railroad fans who try to create layouts that duplicate, with minute accuracy, the way railroad operations really looked and how they were really run.

    • @brt987train
      @brt987train 2 года назад +1

      Doing just that! Lots of fun for this old guy over 60 years

  • @nostalgiakarlk.f.7386
    @nostalgiakarlk.f.7386 5 лет назад +72

    The I-5s were beautiful. I wish they survived the scrapyards.

    • @anasiacameronelijahedcpndc4324
      @anasiacameronelijahedcpndc4324 4 года назад +1

      @Carl Ferrigno #3025?

    • @anasiacameronelijahedcpndc4324
      @anasiacameronelijahedcpndc4324 4 года назад +1

      They could've preserved 2. One at the Danbury Railroad Museum and the other one at the Railroad Museum of New England. Or? But the next member #1410 from scratch! It will have a new top speed of 125MPH when it's a full throttle. And will travel from Washington D.C. to Boston. MA.

    • @blackbirdgaming8147
      @blackbirdgaming8147 4 года назад +2

      Same here. Would’ve been nice to see one preserved and put into excursion service. It would have given the I5 the chance to *really* show what it was made of. NH never gave them that chance as track speed didn’t usually exceed 60. Damn shame.

    • @That_Thicc_Cat
      @That_Thicc_Cat 4 года назад +1

      They are really good looking locomotives

    • @johnhagan7742
      @johnhagan7742 2 года назад +1

      Yeah, me too.

  • @zombiekiller_challenger_rt7057
    @zombiekiller_challenger_rt7057 4 года назад +21

    Amazing to think that this was filmed mere months after the attack on Hawaii by the Japanese. I love seeing these old films and equating to them what significant events happened around the same time. Thank You for the upload. Cheers

  • @peterlv68
    @peterlv68 2 года назад +7

    God I would kill to go back in time and see New England at its peak manufacturing. Non-urban renewed cities, no highways cutting through downtowns, beautiful stations still maintained that are no longer with us, steam locomotives, and passenger trains.

  • @kenjstl
    @kenjstl 5 лет назад +22

    That was the first time I had ever heard of or seen a "slip track" to test locos.

  • @TruckerC1
    @TruckerC1 3 года назад +11

    Train yard logistics alone are extremely amazing!
    Great footage. Maintenance, baby, maintenance!

  • @rogerhuber3133
    @rogerhuber3133 4 года назад +7

    This is one of the better railroad films of the era. Sure like seeing those streamlined I-5 4-6-4's!

  • @fordlandau
    @fordlandau 4 года назад +8

    This loco. Shape was replicated in Australia. The New South Wales Government Railways designed and built the C 38 class Pacifics from 1943. The first were streamliners with a very similar look to these NYNHH locos. I love the look of them.

  • @oscarwildeghost
    @oscarwildeghost 5 лет назад +27

    Most of my family worked ofr the New Haven out of the New Haven Yards and station. My grandfather was a stationmaster there in the 40's.

  • @tommytruth7595
    @tommytruth7595 4 года назад +6

    All the railroads back then were great.

    • @MrShobar
      @MrShobar 2 года назад +1

      Before most of them went bankrupt.

  • @nhyardlimit
    @nhyardlimit 5 лет назад +38

    what a great vid!!! My! how life has changed (and not for the better). Everyone was dressed nicely, no pajama bottoms or sweat pants!

    • @nathanwatson01
      @nathanwatson01 5 лет назад +12

      At least you wont get polio now-a-days.

    • @Stratovair
      @Stratovair 5 лет назад +4

      Some things are better for sure, but you have to admit that well-dressed people are rare today! Women tie their hair in a scraggly ball, put on the track pants and go out in public-sad...

    • @tommytruth7595
      @tommytruth7595 4 года назад +6

      @@Stratovair Don't forget their sleazy tattoos. Back then, a tattooed lady would only be found in a carnival freak show. And that is where they still belong.

    • @ruffian2952
      @ruffian2952 4 года назад

      @@Stratovair Growing up we had to wear suits to go to the Forum to watch the Habs play. It was nearly a religious experience.

    • @travelingman484
      @travelingman484 4 года назад

      NH YardLimit so true my friend, so true.

  • @georgemurphy2579
    @georgemurphy2579 5 лет назад +3

    They worked hard and didn't live in big fancy houses. Went to church on Sundays...did it right! One wonders who the brains were behind all of this.
    Closer to God ... that's for sure.

  • @georgemurphy2579
    @georgemurphy2579 5 лет назад +2

    This is nothing short of miraculous!
    So much went into this industry.
    Nothing like that today.
    Water. coal, oil, sand, wood
    and steel. So many jobs, right down to the chefs and servants in the diner cars; the tower men, yard men, mechanics and of course the train and engine servicemen!

  • @gavinoctavien1400
    @gavinoctavien1400 4 года назад +4

    Great film enjoyed very much

  • @JessicaKasumi1990
    @JessicaKasumi1990 6 лет назад +26

    This is positively beautiful footage, you have here. New York New Haven and Hartford is a misunderstood carrier. Had potential to do great things, but was often financially plagued. Even Penn Central didn't do much to solve the woes. Thankfully, the remaining active parts of the NH are doing better thanks to changes like the Staggers Rail Act.

    • @LIMowersAndMore
      @LIMowersAndMore 5 лет назад

      Jessica Kasumi their are only three surviving new haven steamers I think....but hell those days are gone.....

    • @HHopebringer
      @HHopebringer 5 лет назад +1

      Penn Central was a disaster, almost by design. (sighs)
      But they're far from the only railroad company that was, though.

    • @425beechwood
      @425beechwood 3 года назад

      New Haven was a pioneer in piggyback freight, but unfortunately their system turned out to be the Betamax of transportation.

    • @benc.5863
      @benc.5863 2 года назад +2

      @@LIMowersAndMore Unfortunately not a single NH steam locomotive made it to preservation. The closest we have is #3025 at the Valley Railroad which is a Chinese SY made to look like an NH J1 mikado

    • @Kevmike68
      @Kevmike68 Год назад

      One of my great-grandfathers (my father's father's father) was a train engineer on the line from Albany to Boston 🥰🚂🚂🚄🚅🥰

  • @snoebay88
    @snoebay88 6 лет назад +9

    Rode the New Haven from Boston to NYC 3 or 4 times a year with my Mom. This brings back a few memories!

  • @donaldbartram6315
    @donaldbartram6315 5 лет назад +6

    It was a mighty RR for a long time.

  • @johnkulpowich5260
    @johnkulpowich5260 3 года назад +3

    Really enjoyed this thanks

  • @zombiekiller_challenger_rt7057
    @zombiekiller_challenger_rt7057 4 года назад +3

    I was born in Connecticut in 68 and have lots of family there although I no longer Am. Additionally, my father worked for Pratt and Whitney in West Hartford and I worked for Chandler Evans (div of Colt Industries).

  • @machomusclevegas
    @machomusclevegas 5 лет назад +22

    How quaint, a long long time ago in a galaxy far away, when you took for granted that things in America actually worked.

  • @kittymuffins6484
    @kittymuffins6484 5 лет назад +8

    Beautiful history brought to life, very sentimental.

  • @joanoverton7641
    @joanoverton7641 5 лет назад +11

    It. Doesn’t’ get. Better. Than this ! The movies. From. The. 40’s. Are. Real. Classics !

  • @kevp9601
    @kevp9601 2 года назад +1

    Best RUclips Video Ever

  • @AndreiTupolev
    @AndreiTupolev 2 года назад +1

    Fantastic quality, one of the best quality films of this vintage I've seen. What a stirring shot at4:45. And matching sound too!

  • @barbarycoast3972
    @barbarycoast3972 3 года назад +3

    Maybe the Best railroad documentary. From A to Z American railroading at its peak, (the Glory Days) as told by the great Lowell Thomas. Beautiful huge steam engines. The New Haven was historic in railroad electrification, had the most beautiful electric engine (although not in this movie)

  • @garryferrington811
    @garryferrington811 2 года назад

    I worked in a film lab across from the maker of this film, Jam Handy (seen in the opening credit), then closed. Some of our old guys had been with Handy and had lots of stories. Jam Handy received a commission, wrote the film, shot the film, processed the film, cut the film, did the mix, and even sent guys out to project it in the theaters!

  • @castercamber
    @castercamber 3 года назад +2

    And there at the end of the movie is the end of a train with an old man waving bye. I like that better than a FRED.

  • @silviu-radugrigore5258
    @silviu-radugrigore5258 2 года назад

    Stunning transition from steam engine to electric. In my country took much longer. A real video training thank you.

  • @joannecarpenter8725
    @joannecarpenter8725 2 года назад

    Many thanks for this amazing film that shows so many hard working Americans!! And of course the magnificent history of trains in action and progressively moving forward every day 24/7… Many thanks for sharing 😊

  • @conniemaros
    @conniemaros 5 лет назад +5

    Amazing!

  • @gideonstupke2257
    @gideonstupke2257 5 лет назад +8

    I grew up with this Documentary. My father had it on VHS. It was done by Pentrex.

  • @dinocracchiolo1006
    @dinocracchiolo1006 2 года назад +1

    It’s hard to believe there was actually a time like that in America,l.

  • @richp5060
    @richp5060 5 лет назад +7

    A lot of this footage was at the Cedar Hill Classification yard. There are sections of it to this day still in the woods abandoned. At 15: 56 you can see Sleeping Giant state park in the distance.

  • @charlesharper7292
    @charlesharper7292 4 года назад +2

    Thanks! For a feel good video.
    Merry Christmas 🎄.

  • @bryanthunderfootporter4436
    @bryanthunderfootporter4436 2 года назад +9

    Did anyone else notice that the woman’s Pullman sleeper ticket was dated December 6th? Since the copyright date is 1942, that would make it the previous December. She would have gone to sleep from GCT/NY and woken up to Pearl Harbor the next morning (the 7th).
    Also explains the narratot’s comment, “… what with rubber tires rationed.”

    • @ctfirebattchief
      @ctfirebattchief Год назад

      I've watched this clip quite a few times over the years and never knew until recently that the opening scene of the movie was filmed in Hamden CT at the Mt carmel canal line station. And yes I also happened to notice the date of the ticket that the woman purchased for that pullman, it put a lump in my throat. Life changed during her journey.

  • @ErichRaeder
    @ErichRaeder Год назад

    Those pullman heavyweight cars are simply beautiful

  • @bluesharp59
    @bluesharp59 5 лет назад +4

    This is so cool and a Thumbs Up for you also.

  • @rjl110919581
    @rjl110919581 5 лет назад +6

    THANK YOU FOR GREAT HISTORY VIDEO

  • @samshearman5251
    @samshearman5251 5 лет назад +7

    This is really good!

  • @gregmilliken9659
    @gregmilliken9659 Год назад +5

    America had such a great transportation system, and it was all destroyed by truck and bus makers. Electric trains, powered by efficient power plants were , or should have been the future. Instead, highways and thousands of cars & trucks each emitting toxic fumes are what we ended up with!

    • @c.d.porter9366
      @c.d.porter9366 Месяц назад

      Railroads were destroyed by government edicts along with other advances

    • @schwunkie
      @schwunkie Месяц назад

      One of the nations biggest tragedies :(

  • @Rog5446
    @Rog5446 5 лет назад +6

    I liked the fleeting excerpts we had of Dvorak's eighth symphony.

  • @Isochest
    @Isochest 5 лет назад +4

    I like the diesel switcher. The Earliest ones in the UK were from 1932 and the earliest main line diesels were introduced in 1947. Diesel and electric traction were implemented from 1955 in the UK

    • @EFCasual
      @EFCasual 4 года назад +1

      That's is an ALCO model. Made in upstate NY.

  • @gregmilliken9659
    @gregmilliken9659 Год назад +1

    America had such a great transportation system, years ago! What happened? Even up here in Maine there was an extensive trolley / light rail system as well as the passenger trains.

  • @charlesharper7292
    @charlesharper7292 4 года назад +4

    I loved the part where these great iron juggernauts were overhauled!

  • @dlw664productions4
    @dlw664productions4 5 лет назад +13

    1942:
    Stationmaster: (NY,NH,&H) You were one single minute late! What is the meaning of this!!
    2019:
    Stationmaster: (Amtrak) Only 3 hours late! Perfectly on time! Great job!
    I think we can learn something: after Penn Central, speed wasn't the same (70 Mph-20 Mph)!

    • @lanerailvideo5928
      @lanerailvideo5928 5 лет назад

      😄

    • @ruffian2952
      @ruffian2952 4 года назад

      I began my passenger service after freight service with the NY,NH&H. The last thing I wanted was having to provide the answer for was lost time. With Amtrak they had a scheme that interline trains leaving late were on time if they hadn't lost any more time into the final terminal. With certain enginemen I knew that "making up time" was a cinch if my crew could get "them" off and on. Never had to answer for making up time.

  • @WesternOhioInterurbanHistory
    @WesternOhioInterurbanHistory 3 года назад +2

    3:44-5:04
    Best part of the entire flim.

  • @425beechwood
    @425beechwood 3 года назад +2

    Classic New Haven pagoda-style tower at 7:46

  • @kevp9601
    @kevp9601 2 года назад +1

    I Love That Train

  • @Bob.W.
    @Bob.W. 6 лет назад +5

    Thanks. Great film.

  • @andypettit5869
    @andypettit5869 5 лет назад +7

    Nothing like the steam locomotive....

  • @dustbowlhammer7119
    @dustbowlhammer7119 Год назад

    Always gives me a chuckle whenever they say, "Exceedingly modern!" in these films xDD.

  • @slycat1939
    @slycat1939 5 лет назад +5

    AWESOME

  • @johnpaulkane5480
    @johnpaulkane5480 4 года назад +5

    Look how Snappy everybody dressed back then not like the slobs today

    • @michlo3393
      @michlo3393 3 года назад +1

      They were just nice-looking slobs.

  • @samshearman5251
    @samshearman5251 5 лет назад +6

    Ah Lowell Thomas!

  • @donfarlan214
    @donfarlan214 5 лет назад +3

    Man that sure looks proud

  • @EastEndProductionsArchiv-lm3lq

    Excellent!

  • @kevp9601
    @kevp9601 2 года назад +1

    Nice ! 😀👍

  • @Quebecoisegal
    @Quebecoisegal 2 года назад

    The very first steam loco was a very attractive engine. Also good to see coal fired locos more than the oil fired ones.

  • @MicrobyteAlan
    @MicrobyteAlan 6 лет назад +7

    Lowell Thomas, wow

    • @Ad_Valorem
      @Ad_Valorem 5 лет назад +1

      I fondly remember his travelogues from the '50s, mostly on TV.

  • @WesternOhioInterurbanHistory
    @WesternOhioInterurbanHistory 4 года назад +3

    4:43 7:45 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙞𝙨 𝙚𝙥𝙞𝙘

  • @pmichael73
    @pmichael73 2 года назад

    The NYNH&H was an amazing network, but it was a patchwork of purchases, leases, owned track and rights of way. Some purchases and leases were conditional on retaining stops and lines that led to a "death by 1000 cuts." The same applied to labor practices, career structures, etc. In spite of this, on the day of the 1929 stock market crash NYNY&H shares were trading at $250. Many great memories of traveling aboard.

  • @yonayonamytube
    @yonayonamytube 2 года назад

    I had taken a traim from New York to Boston, in 1997.
    Header had been changed from electric engine to diesel engine at New haven.
    'NortheastDirect '

  • @damer4life528
    @damer4life528 3 года назад +9

    15:04 my favorite scene

  • @davidgardner8707
    @davidgardner8707 5 лет назад +1

    Very cool 👍

  • @williamsimmons152
    @williamsimmons152 5 лет назад +7

    Lowell Thomas was a wordsmith. Strange he used the word “ponderous”. Twice even.

    • @WildBillCox13
      @WildBillCox13 4 года назад

      Even Lowell had to read from scripts written by others on occasion.

  • @Gocrybozo
    @Gocrybozo Год назад

    I have these on vhs tape i remember watching it as a child

  • @unaeruditi
    @unaeruditi 2 года назад +5

    29:39 "the industrial genius of America." now we make nothing and soon probably to be nothing.

  • @Tom-xe9iq
    @Tom-xe9iq 2 года назад

    The first scene is so special and yours has been edited. The train arrives and stops, the young lad and the engineer exchange a glance and then the train takes off. Cut to the engineer on the modern engine... it's implied that is the young boy grown up and in charge of the Yankee Clipper!

    • @SpeedGraphicFilmVideo
      @SpeedGraphicFilmVideo  2 года назад

      It has been edited. You can see the complete film here: ruclips.net/video/70KJsjIaDVU/видео.html

  • @GEORGE-jf2vz
    @GEORGE-jf2vz 3 года назад

    The narrator would make picking my nose sound monumental.

  • @ogtme
    @ogtme 5 лет назад +2

    Those New England accents are so great! I was born in New Haven

  • @DerpyPossum
    @DerpyPossum 3 года назад +2

    3:17 ok, that’s cool

  • @lanerailvideo5928
    @lanerailvideo5928 5 лет назад

    Riding to a joint, wow what a different world...

  • @carmine313
    @carmine313 2 года назад

    To think I worked in that underground tower. It was Tower A one of 3 towers on the upper level of GCT. It was stacked on top of Tower B wihich controlled the lower level of GCT. There was Tower A (upper level plats), Tower C which controlled East Yard (1-10)
    the Back yard (50s) and Tower U now known as CP 1 at E59st and Tower B for the lower level.

  • @menacerc2366
    @menacerc2366 3 года назад +1

    New haven is my favorite only cause i live nearby

  • @mitchdakelman4470
    @mitchdakelman4470 4 года назад +2

    The actual running time of this classic film is 45 minutes, just acquired a 1942 16mm print.

  • @mitchelldakelman7006
    @mitchelldakelman7006 2 года назад

    I note this version is 30 minutes but I acquired several years ago the longer 45 minute version, print is 82 years old. Eventually will post it.

    • @SpeedGraphicFilmVideo
      @SpeedGraphicFilmVideo  2 года назад

      Yup, as explained in the description, this is a "railfan's version" of the film. This version focuses mainly on scenes of railroad operations.

  • @trplpwr1038
    @trplpwr1038 5 лет назад +19

    Look at all the people making a paycheck and getting it done with no computers

    • @myeyeisnotblue
      @myeyeisnotblue 4 года назад +1

      @@Dan_isreal.08 And how was that boomerish? He was saying how heavily we rely on computers to do things today, an example how time has changed

    • @michaela.chmieloski3196
      @michaela.chmieloski3196 4 года назад +2

      And if those computers are ever taken out by an EMP this country will come to a grinding halt. Disconnect anyone 30-and-under from the Matrix and watch them instantaneously lock up--numbly staring downward while waiting for their cellphone screens to come back on.

  • @blackbirdgaming8147
    @blackbirdgaming8147 4 года назад +1

    Is the audio for the 4-8-2 at 17:52 timed for 3 or 4 chuffs per revolution? It should be 3 as the R3s/R3as were three cylinder locos.

  • @johnhagan7742
    @johnhagan7742 2 года назад

    I remember these good days. Back when steam railroading was king.

  • @jamesleopard8518
    @jamesleopard8518 5 лет назад +2

    I remember steam Locomotives alot

  • @mariahhaarstick591
    @mariahhaarstick591 3 года назад +2

    It a shame there is barely no new haven steam locomotives preseved

  • @carryfreak5059
    @carryfreak5059 6 месяцев назад

    Americans working hard and proud to be Americans

  • @Nine-Signs
    @Nine-Signs 5 лет назад +5

    And despite most coal trains being gone we actually use 4 times the amount of coal per year globally than we did when this was filmed. Gorgeous loco though.

    • @emersonmcnerney7695
      @emersonmcnerney7695 5 лет назад +1

      Really? Thats interesting.

    • @ruffian2952
      @ruffian2952 4 года назад

      New Haven held coal reserves on the ground to last seven years according to NH projections. One such reserve was in the Randolph, Avon, Holbrook area south of Boston. The NH feared coal miner strikes. I think there was some near the Cos Cob generating plant too.

  • @outofthedarknessebikerides5109

    this ran right behind my house here in scriba ny

  • @mikecarone7320
    @mikecarone7320 5 лет назад +7

    Pretty Crazy seeing no young men all fighting in WW2 when this was filmed

    • @s.sestric9929
      @s.sestric9929 5 лет назад +3

      People had to run things back home. Railroads were critical for defense.

    • @WildBillCox13
      @WildBillCox13 4 года назад

      My dad was already in the PTO when this was released.

    • @WesternOhioInterurbanHistory
      @WesternOhioInterurbanHistory 3 года назад

      @@s.sestric9929 90% of military equipment was moved by rail, and 97% of troops were moved by train too.

  • @samiam619
    @samiam619 5 лет назад +8

    I was half expecting to see”Buy War Bonds” at the end!

  • @StrasbourgStudios
    @StrasbourgStudios 2 года назад +1

    15:04 Michael Jackson after brought back to life as a steam locomotive

  • @SeanBodine
    @SeanBodine 2 года назад

    I have this on VHS.

  • @harrybriscoe7948
    @harrybriscoe7948 5 лет назад +3

    The tracks at 2:52 had to have a few hundred derailments over the years

    • @darriusstrainsthings5736
      @darriusstrainsthings5736 5 лет назад +1

      Harry Briscoe Possibly but they hire good switchers and dispatchers to operate the switches. Maybe like 10 derailments but not saying few hundred.