Add-ons basically change the game. Youre playing completely proactive when you know exactly how much time on trink or cd's. You shouldn't be able to see the other teams cd's and things. It changes the game fundamentally
Having more available information just separates the noobs from good players. Bad players want to drag everyone down to a zug zug level of gameplay because that's all they can do.
@dj_jx how would that be worse? Sorry you need a computer to hold your hand and tell you what button to hit when. I prefer a game that actually requires you to pay attention and have skill and good reaction time Edit: misread what you wrote. My bad lol. You were on my side haha
@Roachehh not against having more info. If blizz updated the ui a bit to better show when something happens I'd enjoy that. I domt agree the game is healthy with the state of add-ons and macros playing the game for you or being able to see information you shouldn't have.
@@Roachehh Really ? So gave me some WoW god and put him on the game i play 13 years. it MMORPG too, had arena too pvp etc. Then i am willin got gave 1 year practice. Then face me. Trust me he/she will die in seconds. That is because i learn to play the game witout any help of addons and tons of shits. I know every power in the game, how it soud how it looks what effects it have. Plus there is only 1 cc and 1 dispel. You can track what i do in the moment, that is it. Its like casting bar. Noting else. The only way you can became good is to play all classess and learn everything. That's why the game is pure skill. If wow remove your addons you will became all moderate players with exception those who play without addons and learn the game that way.
Addons ruined the game period. If they don't ban them entirely and improve default UI options, the downfall of WoW will continue. You shouldn't be able to see anything regarding the enemies CDs/DRs etc. That's not healthy information to have and its broken PvP in the game. Especially for new players.
@@gustavomttxr getting better and CHEATING are two different things. You shouldn't simply know how long mage has for ice block or rogue has vanish. No game other than wow (through addons) allows such info to be known. Its made wow pvp very planned PvE strategy orientated, instead of reactive action combat which is way more fun and engaging. "oh shit the pala poped wings use a defensive cd" is way more fun than "oh the pally has wings in 20 secs, ill save a defensive for that" like you might aswell play PVE at that point.
Agree on CDs, you should be able to tell when things are up if you're a good player and not rely purely on addons. Disagree on DRs, tracking them is fundamental to PvP and given that they've introduced solo brackets it creates a sitution where people will simply dr everything without paying attenion. The fact that they are still NOT on the default ui is cringe.
"NEW PLAYER" Nobody wants to try WOW PVP who hasn't been playing the last 10+ years. PVP needs to be its own thing away from PVE that is the only way. I'm so F'n sick and tired of a PVE Balancing change that destroys PVP.
I dont think there should be Addons like WeakAuras, because you need be skillful, to track all the information, the game provides you by default. On the other hand, having all information displayed the way you like and need, if also very skillful. I guess it's complicated...
@DrownlordPvP it becomes a difference of gameplay. Takes skill either way, but you're playing completely proactive when you see every enemy cd and dr instead of reactively upon seeing the enemy use a cd or trinket. It should take skill to pay attention to what they use and when and watching timers to judge when the might have their trinket back up or something. Completely changes how you play and react to the game
The problem is you can't decide what info is important to you. There are too many buffs popping up, and you need way too much time to see the ones that matter to you. The entire ui will require an overhaul.
Honestly, I don't think much is going to happen considering how the devs are neglecting, well, most of the game, but PvP mainly, but if they do, I just hope they choose the nuclear option and completely delete them, or if they end up doing the right thing, deleting AND completely overhauling the HUD and add functionalities of Omnibar, Gladius and GladiatorLosSA into the baseline game, fully customizable to spells you need, and with proper explanations to players (not happening), so that the game UI normalizes and becomes more attractive, and the game becomes a less imbecillic learning experience.
SO TRUE! at least for me addons have ruined a lot of things and practicaly screw the game feeling for new players, also the actual game mechanics, systems and meta are extremely complicated for new or returning players. I'd love to have something more like the game feel of classic or somewhere between classic and SoD but with the full tech and new stuff that we have today (excluding the overwhelming amount of addons of course), just my opinion:(
Like some* talents and spells , Classes etc. are not effective (so ) in PvP ; Can also be used for add-ons in All rated PvP and all non-rated PvP . Just Disabled in PvP or not in use ( partly) / beter visuals of spells , area of effect environment etc. I wish to use more of my brain in the game...the knowledge and experience where I bring my skills to a practical level of use . This gives me more chances to win with even Broken* class spec . Cheers for the video!
Add-ons must be banned completelly. only default Ui must remain. Then people will learn to play the game. They will learn to use their sences and hearing, visual effects and sound effects. Right now any 9 years old can install bunch of addons and play the game. That's the reason wow not getting new players. Yeah we came we saw what is is and we left. Bilions buttons bilions cc, and tons of addons. This is not a game, this is war simulation. The reason other games do not allow this kind of bull*** is to maintain the game pure. Equal for everybody for noobs and pros alike. I guerantee if addons are removed 99% of players will looks like noobs. Simply because they relly only on addons.
It's not just a skill and unskilled gap. It's people playing the game and not playing the game. If they take out addons they'll lose a small number of players compared to the numbers they'd gain. Hey come back to wow, you don't have to have a million addons and weakauras in order to actually do challenging content. Just bring your skills, what a concept. The fact that rogues didn't win any tournaments because they couldn't track DRs is PURELY a tuning problem. Make rogues less reliant on DR and the problem is fixed. DR tracking addons is the cancer that festered into what it is now. If it's not built into the base UI, Blizz did not intend for you to know it. Plain and simple. If Blizz wants DR tracking, BAKE IT INTO THE GAME UI. Get addons out of PVP so it can breathe.
I don't respect anyone that pvps with addons, sorry. Held this opinion since day 1, and I still do. Nothing I've seen since WoW has been created has changed my mind. Yeap, the game UI sucks. But you're still using a crutch.
The addons that RUINED* WoW PvP Forever. There I fixed it for you. 👍 as the screen is so bloated by them its giving brain dmg vibes. 60% of my screen is addons and weakauras. I hate it tbh and its a design flaw of the game that we need to track this much stuff. It takes literally days just to set up everything after a reinstall for example. Its not normal.
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I play with controller without any Addon, just use default controller support and UI for PvP, and I can get to 2000 rating with some practice, if not because of the long queue times, I would be willing to continue to climb. It’s skill issues
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Add-ons basically change the game. Youre playing completely proactive when you know exactly how much time on trink or cd's. You shouldn't be able to see the other teams cd's and things. It changes the game fundamentally
Yes change the game for the worst.
Having more available information just separates the noobs from good players. Bad players want to drag everyone down to a zug zug level of gameplay because that's all they can do.
@dj_jx how would that be worse? Sorry you need a computer to hold your hand and tell you what button to hit when. I prefer a game that actually requires you to pay attention and have skill and good reaction time
Edit: misread what you wrote. My bad lol. You were on my side haha
@Roachehh not against having more info. If blizz updated the ui a bit to better show when something happens I'd enjoy that. I domt agree the game is healthy with the state of add-ons and macros playing the game for you or being able to see information you shouldn't have.
@@Roachehh Really ? So gave me some WoW god and put him on the game i play 13 years. it MMORPG too, had arena too pvp etc. Then i am willin got gave 1 year practice.
Then face me. Trust me he/she will die in seconds. That is because i learn to play the game witout any help of addons and tons of shits. I know every power in the game, how it soud how it looks what effects it have. Plus there is only 1 cc and 1 dispel. You can track what i do in the moment, that is it. Its like casting bar. Noting else.
The only way you can became good is to play all classess and learn everything. That's why the game is pure skill. If wow remove your addons you will became all moderate players with exception those who play without addons and learn the game that way.
Addons ruined the game period. If they don't ban them entirely and improve default UI options, the downfall of WoW will continue.
You shouldn't be able to see anything regarding the enemies CDs/DRs etc. That's not healthy information to have and its broken PvP in the game. Especially for new players.
Massively agree
we got better cuz of this
@@gustavomttxr getting better and CHEATING are two different things. You shouldn't simply know how long mage has for ice block or rogue has vanish. No game other than wow (through addons) allows such info to be known. Its made wow pvp very planned PvE strategy orientated, instead of reactive action combat which is way more fun and engaging.
"oh shit the pala poped wings use a defensive cd" is way more fun than "oh the pally has wings in 20 secs, ill save a defensive for that" like you might aswell play PVE at that point.
Agree on CDs, you should be able to tell when things are up if you're a good player and not rely purely on addons.
Disagree on DRs, tracking them is fundamental to PvP and given that they've introduced solo brackets it creates a sitution where people will simply dr everything without paying attenion. The fact that they are still NOT on the default ui is cringe.
"NEW PLAYER" Nobody wants to try WOW PVP who hasn't been playing the last 10+ years. PVP needs to be its own thing away from PVE that is the only way. I'm so F'n sick and tired of a PVE Balancing change that destroys PVP.
We should only have arena frames
Arena target macros shouldn't be a thing either.
I dont think there should be Addons like WeakAuras, because you need be skillful, to track all the information, the game provides you by default. On the other hand, having all information displayed the way you like and need, if also very skillful. I guess it's complicated...
@DrownlordPvP it becomes a difference of gameplay. Takes skill either way, but you're playing completely proactive when you see every enemy cd and dr instead of reactively upon seeing the enemy use a cd or trinket. It should take skill to pay attention to what they use and when and watching timers to judge when the might have their trinket back up or something. Completely changes how you play and react to the game
The problem is you can't decide what info is important to you. There are too many buffs popping up, and you need way too much time to see the ones that matter to you. The entire ui will require an overhaul.
Omnibar optimized over 10 years: stacks 3 rows of icons.
imagine banning All addons in wow, what's the worse that can happen? PvP-ers will be 1500 cr instead of 2000 cr and likewise for pve-ers
Honestly, I don't think much is going to happen considering how the devs are neglecting, well, most of the game, but PvP mainly, but if they do, I just hope they choose the nuclear option and completely delete them, or if they end up doing the right thing, deleting AND completely overhauling the HUD and add functionalities of Omnibar, Gladius and GladiatorLosSA into the baseline game, fully customizable to spells you need, and with proper explanations to players (not happening), so that the game UI normalizes and becomes more attractive, and the game becomes a less imbecillic learning experience.
I use Omnibar to track kicks only, big debuffs, dmg meter and cooldownpulse. No more needed to hit 2400.^^
Addons transform game in a job...to have to build a interface as a control airplane painel are chaotic and boring.
Ban all addons and set GCD for 1,5sec and no micro ccs which killing PvP.
SO TRUE!
at least for me addons have ruined a lot of things and practicaly screw the game feeling for new players, also the actual game mechanics, systems and meta are extremely complicated for new or returning players.
I'd love to have something more like the game feel of classic or somewhere between classic and SoD but with the full tech and new stuff that we have today (excluding the overwhelming amount of addons of course), just my opinion:(
Like some* talents and spells , Classes etc. are not effective (so ) in PvP ; Can also be used for add-ons in All rated PvP and all non-rated PvP . Just Disabled in PvP or not in use ( partly) / beter visuals of spells , area of effect environment etc. I wish to use more of my brain in the game...the knowledge and experience where I bring my skills to a practical level of use . This gives me more chances to win with even Broken* class spec . Cheers for the video!
WAs turning rotations into rhythm games.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A LINK?? i want that WA
a nostalgic trip down memory lane
Add-ons must be banned completelly. only default Ui must remain. Then people will learn to play the game.
They will learn to use their sences and hearing, visual effects and sound effects. Right now any 9 years old can install bunch of addons and play the game.
That's the reason wow not getting new players. Yeah we came we saw what is is and we left.
Bilions buttons bilions cc, and tons of addons.
This is not a game, this is war simulation.
The reason other games do not allow this kind of bull*** is to maintain the game pure. Equal for everybody for noobs and pros alike.
I guerantee if addons are removed 99% of players will looks like noobs. Simply because they relly only on addons.
It's not just a skill and unskilled gap. It's people playing the game and not playing the game. If they take out addons they'll lose a small number of players compared to the numbers they'd gain.
Hey come back to wow, you don't have to have a million addons and weakauras in order to actually do challenging content. Just bring your skills, what a concept.
The fact that rogues didn't win any tournaments because they couldn't track DRs is PURELY a tuning problem. Make rogues less reliant on DR and the problem is fixed. DR tracking addons is the cancer that festered into what it is now.
If it's not built into the base UI, Blizz did not intend for you to know it. Plain and simple. If Blizz wants DR tracking, BAKE IT INTO THE GAME UI.
Get addons out of PVP so it can breathe.
good video, goofy comment section. all is normal
Not really at all, you fail at understanding.
i loveeeeee the easter egg
hay addons que son obligatorios, como WeakAuras, BigDebuff, por decir un ejemplo, esos no deberían ser banneados, otros sí.
This is the first ever time, it actually feels like wow is dying.
Heard that 4 expansions ago.
I don't respect anyone that pvps with addons, sorry.
Held this opinion since day 1, and I still do. Nothing I've seen since WoW has been created has changed my mind.
Yeap, the game UI sucks. But you're still using a crutch.
I really would like to see the removal of add ons and see blizzard hire on some of the developers to help improve the base ui functionality
The addons that RUINED* WoW PvP Forever. There I fixed it for you. 👍 as the screen is so bloated by them its giving brain dmg vibes. 60% of my screen is addons and weakauras. I hate it tbh and its a design flaw of the game that we need to track this much stuff. It takes literally days just to set up everything after a reinstall for example. Its not normal.
Addons destroyed the integrity of the game. I said what I said. Delete them all.
Playing with add-ons is a handicap. Think about it, how is it skill to use a program to think for you? Like using a calculator to do simple math.
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. It really is interesting how much rabid hate america gets on the worldwide web, but literally every place with functioning internet tries to rip every American trend😅They flock to consume all facets of American pop culture. They try to imitate the style and sound and fashion, but they can never imitate the realness or the violence. Something that drake didnt realize.
Omnibar is great everything past that is a bit much
Some add-ons have ruined both pve and pvp. Weak auras especially
Remove all addon in game
shuffle exp is fake exp
Shuffle is a cluster fuck of chaos and Flavor of the Month spams, with Gladiators dicking around on one of their 20 alts at lower MMR.
Addon won’t have future, you should start doing something else to earn money, rather than helping people cheat
the addons and the multiple spell effects that make the game look bad
wow pvpers are basically botters
Agreed
Add-ons suck
I play with controller without any Addon, just use default controller support and UI for PvP, and I can get to 2000 rating with some practice, if not because of the long queue times, I would be willing to continue to climb. It’s skill issues
Clearly only a blitz/ss player
@@Ramborc86I am a new player, LFG is too troublesome, one game loses then disband. Addon killing new PvP players and hurting already small player base